What's the gayest part of "The Wizard of Oz"?

I voted Ruby Slippers, specifically the little turn of the foot whenever the camera pans to them. That just screamed shoe queen 👠

Um, OP ….

The "Costumes by Adrian" credit.

The Cowardly Lion is more femmy than the Tin Man, OP.

The excessive preening and primping in Emerald City

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this...

r7, are you also r6?

r4

I was always attracted to the tin man. As an adult I’ve realized that scarecrow is the hottest without makeup. The lion is not hot at all.

All of it. Full stop.

Professor Marvel's hot dog.

The Emerald City women trimming Dorothy and the Cowardly Lion in "The Merry Old Land of Oz."

r13 meet r5

I watched this movie for the first time recently in 3D. The movie was a fucking acid trip. All the singing and flying African American monkeys will give me nightmares for weeks. And the singing! Jesus fuck the singing was disturbing, especially the super gay Lion.

I love the Lion. Esp when his hair is all curly and primped.

As a kid I understood why the witch wanted those slippers. They were fabulous!

Oh, I don't know. Maybe Judy Garland singing " Over the Rainbow, " which became some sort of gay national anthem?

Those gorgeous red apples!

Yes, of course it’s the Emerald City makeover, but it’s specifically this line of Dorothy’s:

“Can you even dye my eyes to match my gown?”

“Uh, huh!”

“Jolly good town!”

Thanks OP, your poll options gave me a genuine laugh. My favourite film—how gay am I?

My choice would be the Wicked Witch of the East's striped pantyhose.

Amen, r18!

[quote]I watched this movie for the first time recently in 3D.

Faux-3D.

Um. The makeover montage in Emerald City!

Scarecrow telling Dorothy, who asked for directions, that some people go both ways.

[quote]Faux-3D.

It was still fabulous.

My own favorite line is when the Tin Man huffs, "Well, that's you all over!"

Everything to do with the “dandy lion” and Laur is great!

"As I'd click my heel all the trees would kneel and the mountains bow and the bulls kowtow......

And the sparrows would-a- take wiiiiiiiiiiing *bats lashes*........"

The Tin Man getting lubed up.

sweet, funny thread; thanks bitches

The only thing I like in the entire film are the flying monkeys!

R15- The flying monkeys were SO creepy. They got under your skin with their creepiness.

Actually this photo ^ the flying monkey looks FAR gayer than the monkeys in The Wizard Of Oz

R33 Even though they are a racist caricature of blacks. Justin Trudeau would be proud.

R35 Where do you get that? It never, EVER occurred to me.

[quote]Laur

Oh, dear.

[quote]The only thing I like in the entire film are the flying monkeys!

You sound like a sad person.

This guy in the Emerald City.

The coke falling from the sky to give them a pick me up in the poppy field is pretty gay.

Cowardly lion, thread closed

The cowardly lion is coding at its most obvious.

Everything about it is super gay. Figuring out what is NOT gay would be a shorter list. LOL. Watching Judy Garland clearly strung out on coke was pretty funny.

The Tin Man being asked where he wants it and him replying, “My mouth!”

The Cowardly Lion is by far, the gayest thing in the movie. There are other things, but he's the flamer:

Yeh, it's sad, believe me, Missy When you're born to be a sissy ... I'm afraid there's no denying I'm just an awful dandy-lion A fate I don't deserve But I could show my prowess Be a lion, not a mouse If I only had the nerve...

The Scarecrow: "Of course some people go both ways."

Fun fact: The "snow" was asbestos!

I think this was from MadTV.

[quote]I'm afraid there's no denying, I'm just a dandy-lion, A fate I don't deserve.

And on "dandy-lion" he does the obligatory pansy limp-wrist gesture popular at the time.

[quote]Watching Judy Garland clearly strung out on coke was pretty funny.

It sounds like you were the one strung out on coke while you were watching it.

The Lion was definitely the less rapey of the three, and Dorothy would have done well to snuggle with him at night.

Judy was on pills, kids. Amphetamines to get up and Barbiturates to go down. Judy's dolls for Oz were prescribed by studio doctors.

And chest binding too!

All the blowing.

Even as a kid who didn’t yet understand such things, I always found the Tin Man very gay—I think he had gay face and gay voice. And I loved him for it.

As a kid I loved Dorothy and the scarecrow best, as an adult its the Cowardly Lion all the way. While I can definitely read the character as 'gay', it was also basically Lahr's vaudeville act and so I think the 'gay' aspect is more contrived whereas the Tin Man has gay voice and face. He's NOT playing a 'dandy' lion and yet he no one would be surprised if at any moment he turned to Dorothy and said., 'grrrrrrrrrllll'.

All that said, I picked the WWW making fun of Dorothy in the crystal ball because as an adult it's pretty funny to see and also something a bitter old queen would totally do.

Diana Ross as Dorothy

How gay are the GOOFS?

R56 LOL, that's so true.

R56- Of course there are PLENTY of WICKED WITCHES here on dl but I would say it's the opposite of the movie. Here on datalounge it's the Wicked Queens of the East are WORSE than the Wicked Queens Of The West.

R55, Garland wasn't on regular uppers and downers until a year or so after Oz...around the time of Babes on Broadway, with it's drunken task-master Busby (I Killed a Man) Berkeley.

^^^Sorry, meant R52.

As a kid I really thought all 3 were a bit gay. even The Scarecrow saying "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?" sounds like a Datalounge quip.

I love the poppy scene with those heavenly voices. I remember when it was referenced in depth on The Sopranos.

The horse of a different color.

charlie (R28), I thought you were dead.

Possibly the deleted scene with the Jitterbug.

The tin man was a raging nelly who batted his eyelashes and pursed his lips.

The S U R R E N D E R. D O R O T H Y bit.

Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man, that he didn’t, didn’t already have.

[quote]Judy was on pills, kids. Amphetamines to get up and Barbiturates to go down.

This didn't happen until AFTER Oz as R61 stated. Garland's popularity from Oz made MGM push her into as many films as possibly to get their money's worth.

[quote]I think he had gay face and gay voice.

Haley used the same voice he told bedtime stories to his children with for the character.

My Oz connection was circa 1995, I got to use Jack Haley Junior's Golden Disney Pass to take myself and my family to WDW for my nieces' birthday.

R70 Da fuq are you talking bout, cunt. MGM was forcing all kinds of pills on Judy during the filming of Oz and had a couple spies on her 24/7 to make sure she wasn't getting fat. There are articles out there, cunt.

And chest binding too. Judy was the first FTM trans actress!

The undertone of sadness.

Then post one R70. One that specifically says they were forcing "all kinds of pills on Judy". Not to mention the spy nonsense.

[quote]There are articles out there, cunt.

None of which you linked to, R71.

[quote] Haley used the same voice he told bedtime stories to his children with for the character.

Which is why he called it "Uncle Bottom's Bedtime Story Hour."

Judy on pills during Wizard of Oz..

[Quote]When Garland was cast in The Wizard of Oz, her weight drew constant criticism from Louis B. Mayer and other studio executives. Her insecurities about her weight combined with her grueling work schedule resulted in her taking even more pills. Garland's steady diet of amphetamines and barbiturates slimmed her physique and enabled her to get through shooting.

R74 Find it yourself, fucking asshole. Nobody has to educate your shit cunt self.

[quote]When Garland was cast in The Wizard of Oz, her weight drew constant criticism from Louis B. Mayer and other studio executives. Her insecurities about her weight combined with her grueling work schedule resulted in her taking even more pills.

Not to mention her MGM High School classmates, among many gorgeous starlets, were people like future costars like Hedy Lamarr and Lana Turner. Judy was tiny, thickwaisted, slightly hunchbacked and had problems controlling her weight. You'd be insecure too.

All that talk about rainbows.

r72 Uh, hello.....

- Mary Pickford, the "12 yo" 30yo

R71 Only to be replaced, by a frog, with a banjo, in a swamp - decades later.

Aside from his linkedin page, I cannot find anything else from the author at R77. Which makes it basically a blog entry.

Find something from a reputable author and perhaps I'll believe it.

The greatest old Hollywood film of all time, it's eternal and forever. Love it!

The "grueling work schedule" Judy complained about in later life - filming all day then waking up to film at night - is bullshit. If it were true, she'd have made dozens more movies. Her schedule was the same as all stars, including teens Rooney, Donald O'Connor and Lana Turner. The pills were prescribed to ALL of them for weight control as has been said, teens and adults. Garland did not get any special dope. I'm sorry she couldn't handle it, but facts are facts.

Plenty of them loved that Nembutal.....to death. That includes reframed Maryilyn.

^Marilyn

I didn't know that there are 9 Wizard of Oz books. Glinda, the Good Witch of the South even got her own book. In the book, it states that Glinda is the most powerful witch in all of Oz. Why haven't more movies based on the other books been made?

R86, Rooney was a mess by 1950, O'Connor an alcoholic from the late 1940's until he nearly died in the late 1970's, and Lana Turner chain-smoked from her early teens until her death. Next...

Judy was not a special case. And there were plenty of MGM stars who were not wrecks or uncontrollable addicts after they left.

[quote] I didn't know that there are 9 Wizard of Oz books.

There are actually nineteen Oz books by the writer of the first one, Frank Baum.

[quote] Why haven't more movies based on the other books been made?

There have been. In the silent era, there were films of several of them.

More recently, in 1985, Hollywood made "Return to Oz" (to date the only film directed by the man whom many film scholars and enthusiasts think of the world's greatest living film editor, Walter Murch), which was a kind of mash-up of the second two books, "The Marvelous Land of Oz" and "Ozma of Oz." It's a wonderfully done and extremely dark film (it begins with Aunt Em and Uncle Henry so worried that Dorothy is talking about witches and talking scarecrows that they take her to Topeka for rudimentary electroshock treatments, a detail NOT in any of the books). It is very much worth seeing, even though it was a huge flop at the time (because there's so singing and it was far too dark for most parents to take their children to enjoy).

Sorry, I made a mistake. L. Frank Baum wrote fourteen Ox books, not nineteen. they are:

1) The Wonderful Wizard of Oz

2) The Marvelous Land of Oz

3) Ozma of Oz

4) Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz

5) The Road to Oz

6) The Emerald City of Oz

7) The Patchwork Girl of Oz

8) Tiktok of Oz

9) The Scarecrow of Oz

10) Rinkitink in Oz

11) The Lost Princess of Oz

12) The Tin Woodman of Oz

13) The Magic of Oz

14) Glinda of Oz

Plus there are a whole bunch of sequels written after Baum's death by other writers (most notably Ruth Plumly Thompson).

All of Baum's sequels are interesting and worth reading, although some are much more enjoyable than others. None of them has the power of the original book, though, which is such a masterpiece because of its inventiveness and because it so much captures the spirit of the turn of the century in the Great Plains. Dorothy is portrayed unlike how she is in the later books (where she's silly and vain), and is a very grave and serious child.

[quote]Judy was not a special case. And there were plenty of MGM stars who were not wrecks or uncontrollable addicts after they left.

You don't think the fact that Judy was a top moneymaker for MGM in the 1940s would have subjected her to more scrutiny about her weight and more pressure to stay slim? She wasn't just another contract player.

Exactly R94. She was under the most pressure of all of them. Rooney was a has-been by 1946...

That was one of the best DL polls ever. Great job, OP!

The colours in Munchkinville are so vibrant and the costumes and choreography so amazing. It's like an elaborate drag extravaganza!

R94, you don't realize that MGM made many movies that were not musicals and starred actors other than Judy Garland.

[quote]you don't realize that MGM made many movies that were not musicals and starred actors other than Judy Garland.

You have a point, An idiotic one, but a point.

The Ruby Slippers were gayer than a prolapsed anus on Elton John or RuPaul.

Me, bitches

It would be easier to come up with candidates for the *least* gay part of the Wizard of Oz. Even the straightest characters get a little gay, like Auntie Em's near-catfight with Miss Gulch (can we imagine a lesbian-schoolmates origin story?) and Uncle Henry's bitchy passive-aggressiveness: "Oh, she bit her dog, eh?"

Have any of you been to the new Academy of Motion Pictures Museum to see Dorothy's ruby red slippers?

I've seen the pair at the Smithsonian's Museum of American History, R103. The first time I saw them, I thought, "Gee, they look pretty old and beat up." They were restored a few years ago at a cost of more than $300,000.

Has Liza ever tried on the ruby slippers that her mom wore in the movie?

Judy was not quite 5 feet tall, R105, and Liza was always something of an ungainly girl. I suspect it would be like one of the stepsisters trying on Cinderella's glass slipper.

Funny, because I never thought then or now it was a "gay movie"...

just liked the theme of it "no place like home" and it was entertaining, funny and scary...

Guess it's just me.

R107 is a homophobe.

The Tin Man and the Lion definitely have some sugar in the tank. Scarecrow always struck me as straight with big dick energy.

[quote]The Tin Man and the Lion definitely have some sugar in the tank. Scarecrow always struck me as straight with big dick energy

The way he gets Dorothy those apples. Very BDE.

R105, Liza's size nines would break the shoe. And there are so many of these shoes that I doubt Judy actually wore the majority of them.

^There were six (possibly 7) pair total. One was beaded more intricately than the other for the tapping of the heels and one for her stand-in. Some were a size larger for when Garland's feet would expand in the afternoon.

R108.. R107 here, i'm a homophobe?

LOL. Yaaasss, qween. Biggest homophobe evah.