Rumour or Not? Has Harry Left Meghan Markle?

He couldn't leave without his balls and it's not like she'd leave them lying around.

Rumour? Fuck off British cunt.

Rumour where, at the Klan Granny cookout?

If anyone has inside knowledge, please share.

Remember that Meghan recently arranged a pap shot shortly before Christmas. It was taken in Montecito.

A review of her history shows that she typically arranges pap shots when Harry is in the UK.

It is strange how she seemed to captivate him so thoroughly, so quickly.

He's really just a weak guy with little to no sense of self. He's like a liquid that takes the shape of whatever container he's placed in - nothing of substance to hold his shape on his own.

OP you and your other account sure do like to reply to each other. No one else here cares about these two.

Ruh-roh

If Harry actually is in the UK, it could be because of Q E II. Maybe she's ill.

Can we please move this along to the Ladies Circle forum??

R2 Do you have a problem with people who know how to spell?

Poor Harry... I hope he took a coat with him. It's cold in England and he might not be prepared for the weather traveling from sunny California.

[Quote] It is strange how she seemed to captivate him so thoroughly, so quickly.

[Quote] He's really just a weak guy with little to no sense of self. He's like a liquid that takes the shape of whatever container he's placed in - nothing of substance to hold his shape on his own.

Just like me!

It's not the speculation that's significant. It's that nobody gives a toss where Harry is.

R12- Unless the reason he is there is bc of the Queen's health. I just dread that day. I am going to be a complete, sobbing mess. I adore her.

What's the source of this, OP?

Just stop.

Boo hoo. The Monarchy is fingering it's last crumpet.

Me too, r13

You realize that out of the jillions of pages on the internet, this is the only site with this rumor?

Wait, wait! I'm getting another rumour!!!

Oh. Never mind. Just a shart,

UuUuUuUuUuUuUuUu...

I've packed up all my extra "Uus" I'm not using and I'm sending them off to GB to use in all your humourous rumours

Enjoy

Fake news

Harry will never leave her. She is his new mommy.

Asking DLers what they’ve heard about this. At this point it is definitely a rumor (for those in the US).

1) My cousin has a girlfriend who works for the RF. She is nothing if but discreet.. However around Christmas they had a bust-up and she blurted that the stress levels had gone through the roof at her job because “he” was back here “playing up again”. When cousin and girlfriend calmed, my cousin questioned her and she denied ever saying anything.

2) There are commenters on recent news articles stating that Harry returned over the holidays to the UK. I have not seen them myself (unable to pull them up on phone, if anyone finds them, would appreciate a link or post....),but they are related to a recent Express article about The Harkles.

3) Posts on LSA have also reported this with rumours that Harry is staying at one of Elton John’s properties. I did not know this, but EJ has properties proximal to both Windsor palace and B’ham palace.

Meghan’s MO is to have pap shots taken (of herself +son) when Harry leaves for the UK. It seemed odd that she had a pap shot arranged recently in Montecito....shortly before Christmas.

In one of their last public appearances together at The Intrepid event, Meghan kept attempting to pull Harry away from others as she is wont to do. Usually Harry follows her physical commands, but at this event, he uncharacteristically brushed her off. The body language was clear then: he was not following her lead.

Lastly, the couple has been quiet since their Christmas photo was released. The Christmas photo was taken, though, in the summer. No Spotify news or usual PR updates as to how they spent their holiday or will spend New Years.

Interesting.

I assume this is to distract from #PrinceWilliamAffair.

I could care less about William.

No, it is not a distraction on my end. But a curiosity. Sense that if The Harkles separate, the announcement will come suddenly.....and “surprisingly” (for some); yet there will have been subtleties hinting at the undertones.

Just wondering if this is the case here, or a bunch of off coincidences? Generally asking if anyone else has any information out there to support or negate the above?

What Prince William affair?

R26 you mean that you care a lot about William, right? Otherwise you “couldn’t” care less about him.

R27- The one in Markle's head.

Especially with her looks r5. She was a virtual nobody too. Just some rando.

Meghan's stans made up lies r25. They bring it out every time Catherine outshines Meghan. Its funny because we have proof Meghan was dating both Harry and Corey at the same time for months. It's deflection because of Meghan's seething jealousy of Catherine.

if not now, eventually

But the Markles Christmas card said Archewell, Inc. made them Mama and Papa, but Lilimerchant Corp. made them a family. (Sorry, Archie!)

Is this to distract from old prince Andrew?

[quote]Poor Harry... I hope he took a coat with him. It's cold in England and he might not be prepared for the weather traveling from sunny California.

San Diego here...it's been freezing in California the past month. Yes, freezing. And yes, even in San Diego.

[quote] Is this to distract from old prince Andrew? —Ghli…er, ANONYMOUS

Hahahaha, did not even think of this, but the timing could not be worse, no. (Or better depending on the perspective.)

If there is any shred of truth to this, I can imagine that this holiday has been utter shite for HMTQ. Between Covid, her health, the loss of her husband, Andrew’s issue heightened by the Maxwell verdict, and then The Harkles’ issues....she certainly has her hands full.

I don’t know how much stock to place on these things, but one tarot reader did a reading of How The Queen’s 2021 Holiday Was Going To Be.....and the cards/reading was “Terrible”.

Another Annus Horibilius?

There is no shred of truth to this. Are you new here?

Harry is hiding out at Oprah's.

[quote] There is no shred of truth to this.

Based. On. What?

[quote] Are you new here?

Absolutely not.

[quote] Harry is hiding out at Oprah's

Bigger question: Did Harry submit to “The Policy”?

Will no one think of the children?

This thread reeks of Klan whores. Imagine thinking that 'commentators on the Daily Express' (i.e. KGHQ) know anything! Any posters calling Repikate 'Catherine' are probably Surviving Racist under another name.

Beware, Klanners! Remember that your leader Dex was banned from DL.

Named Klan Posters

Please F & F any posts by the following racists:

SurvivingAngel

Dex - banned

Zemen-wanbuis

Dutchie

Della

Edvard

Egalandy

BonniePrinceCharlie

brandonjoseph

The poster who calls everyone 'pet'

The poster who writes obsessively about the traits of a narcissist

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Still in therapy...

Klan Grannies are trying to distract from Pedrew by spreading this rumour.

Della has been here forever.

I'll just leave this here.

I'm so sick of these two (and Andrew). And going from the latest survey of Brits this is where Royal approval stands:

Her Majesty the Queen (net rating = +70)

William +67

Kate +64

Anne +54

Charles +27

Edward +25

Camilla +3

Harry -15

Meghan -38

Andrew -73.

Oh look it’s the “Pedrew” troll R46.

It’s still not happening, R46.

I'd be really surprised if he showed cojones like that but I somehow think it likely that he chose to spend this Christmas with Grandma if he really thought it was her last. She did have a rough year, looks very thun and he's not completely heartless. Yes, it does seem likely that he is with HM but will that lead to a split with Markle? Seems unlikely to me.

*thin, sorry

I don't feel sorry for him because he is an immature asshole and total manchild. Him and Rachel are a match made in Hell.

There were rumors from years ago how he would hire and get extremely rough with sex workers to the point of violence and how he was a complete and total ass when he served and didn't pull his weight in the military like William did.

They won't do it, not now. It would break the Queen's heart.

Break the queen's heart?! A split between H&M? I REALLY don't think so.

Klan Granny TROLL. You are RACIST and AGEIST.

Get OFF this thread before you are BANNED from Datalounge.

You have been WARNED.

LMAOOOOOO, R56

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I honestly think Philip and Harry (as well as Charles and Andrew) have illegitimate children out there. It would explain why they said Philip's will will remain sealed from the public for at least a century to "protect the Queen's dignity."

[quote] I honestly think Philip and Harry (as well as Charles and Andrew) have illegitimate children out there. It would explain why they said Philip's will will remain sealed from the public for at least a century to "protect the Queen's dignity.

Makes sense, Chaos. I did not realise that Philip’s will was sealed and those words used as a justification.

I did also hear - pre-Meghan - that Harry impregnated someone working for him in the UK. Don’t know what became of the pregnancy, though.

I guess it's not unrealistic that he's staying at one of Elton's properties, hanging around & trying to get an audience with the family while they freeze him out. If he's left Megs, it's because he's driving her nuts & she's happy to rid of him for awhile while he tries to make nice with Granny before she goes to the Big Throne In the Sky. If he really *left* her, the leaks from "friends" about his cruelty to her would be all over the place

If he's back in the UK. it's only to suck up to Grandma.

He needs money.

Or he might want to prevent his titles being taken away by talking her out of it. They might already have prepared all it takes for the titles to be taken away in terms of constitutional necessities.

His titles and him being a member of the BRF is - literally - everything he has got.

OP Loath as I am to appear even once in a millenia with our beloved KGT . . .

Yes, this is bullshit.

When she no longer needs anything from him, she'll do to him what she's done to so many others who ceased being useful to her.

But that day is a long way off. She's still working it.

Harry may or may not have finally paid a duty call on his frail Gran in secret. Or his benighted father and still furious bog bro . . . For which there is not yet a shred of proof any more than there is that William fathered a child with Rose Hanbury . . .

This is fake news. And I say this as a card carrying Klan Granny.

^*big bro

Fucking autocorrect.

I don't think he has left her. He's not ready yet to realize let alone admit to himself what he has done to himself by getting involved with Meghan.

That being said, his behavior at the Intrepid Gala was, ummm, interesting indeed. I guess he was pissed off his wife had again stolen the limelight from him. One must not forget it was him who was supposed to be the important one at this gala, not his wife.

R43 - What a strange list?? I have enjoyed many of those posters for a long time. I don't think I have blocked any of them yet.

Happy New Year DL buddies!

And lastly, may I just put this out here. Kate is so much prettier than Rose anyway, So there's always that. I like Kate. Carry on!

R67 And Happy New Year to you, as well, fellow DLer!

And yes Kate is far more attractive, although neither have any claim to great beauty. Diana still knocks both of them out of the park in terms of charisma and relationship with the camera.

Princess Marina of Greece was the only classic beauty to marry in in the 20th century.

[R67], your post resonates. There's DL cray, there's DL cray cray, then there's DL Harry/Meghan cray. The latter knocks the former two out of the ballpark to Stoke-on-Trent and back!

R67, this Meghan fangirl is trying to intimidate other user by naming them on a pretty regular basis. Put this idiot on ignore and almost all the inane posts in this thread miraculously disappear ...

[QUOTE] Princess Marina of Greece was the only classic beauty to marry in in the 20th century.

She actually had a crooked lower half of her face, a trait she passed onto her daughter DL fave Princess Alexandra, who frequently appears as if she has just smelt a ripe fart.

Princess Marina benefited from sympathetic photographers like Cecil Beaton, who did glamour shots of her from her best angles with perfect lighting- in those sessions she looked like a million bucks as did her husband The Duke of Kent.

Princess Marina looked like a Picasso painting.

I think he may have gone to visit but he hasn’t left the marriage. The marriage will end when Meghan decides.

If he DID go, who convinced him? It can’t be easy, returning to hostile territory. And it’s true, you can never go home again.

He may go back home when the marriage goes south (which is just a matter of time imho), but you know what they say: Trust is like a mirror -- you can't fix it when it's broken.

IF he went back to the UK after having divorced Meghan, Harry will be given a nice abode and a nice sum of money to keep quiet for the rest of his life. He wouldn't be given a senior role within the RF; that ship has sailed quite some time ago. He might have been welcomed back if he had refrained from babbling on Oprah, but he has irredeemably fallen from grace with the shit he and his wife have been telling in that "interview".

[quote]His titles and him being a member of the BRF is - literally - everything he has got.

Yeah, he'll be homeless on the street in a week!

Y'all even know how real life works?

Meg.

The Meg.

Tentacles.

Is interesting to note that the Duke of Windsor bought into the "superiority" ideology of his time (ie Nazism) and Harry has bought into "wokeness" which is very much elitist in a reverse fashion.

This isn't true. If we know about it, the Mail knows about it and every other British newspaper. It is the scoop of the year - even if he was just back in the country. They all have sources. They would know if he was here. They would know if there were any unusual movements of the royal family (as there would be in the case of a frail elderly woman circling the drain.) The Mail would run a rumour story if there was only just credible rumours.

If Harry is back in the UK, it's probably to secure some sort of agreement regarding titles before the release of his book, where he will no doubt burn it all to the ground.

R77 is right. If there were an inkling of Harry being in the UK, it would blow up. In fact, I wouldn't be surprise if the Mail sees our little DL post and runs a story based on it. This kind of stuff can't stay quiet. Someone would leak.

"Wokeness" (which should at its heart mean "a simple desire to live equitably and help model equity is how society works") is a marketing/self-marketing concept for personal gain, both monetary and in "brand value." Period. And it operates both by self-promotion activities and by openly criticizing others for the benefit of added and extended social-media inclusion.

And the word itself also has shaded to be a right-wing dismissal of social equity concerns.

Wokeness sucks. You CAN care about things like social and racial equity WITHOUT turning into a complete fuckwit.

R74, well, Harry doesn't.

Is “Harry in the UK” trending on Twitter? Be funny if this were retaliation for the “William/affair” trend.

R83, I don't think so. But that's only because that Harry Back In The UK rumour has not been deliberately spread by some deluded Sussex Squad idiots.

[quote]When she no longer needs anything from him,

What could the Queen possibly need from Harry?

[Quote]she'll do to him what she's done to so many others who ceased being useful to her.

Like who? You seem to be confusing the Queen with the Duchess of Sussex.

R85, they meant Meghan, not the Queen.

Something can be a rumor and be true.

R85 - Please refer to R86. It should have been perfectly obvious that I was speaking of the Medea of Montecito.

There’s a difference between a rumor and a delusion.

R23 I wonder why the articles don’t appear on your phone.

^ Indeed, R87.

While I like to think journalists have measure of the duo - and Daily Mail would be thrilled to break the news of a break up - Megs and Harry can work on the Downlow then suddenly pop up with something. That’s how they tend to roll.

So, if Haz is back in the UK, there could be several reasons why. That said, leaving his immediate family (and newborn’s first Christmas) would be a tad unusual. I sense H would keep things very, very quiet until he had his ducks in a row and his family involved to assist him with a separation.....if that were the case. Because let’s face it, there would be a UK media feeding frenzy.

Meghan is stupid, but she can be cunning and vengeful. Certainly she would do things in the press, but not until she perceived it would benefit HER.

On some level, she (or those around her), has to appreciate that much of the public finds her loathsome.

[quote] I wonder why the articles don’t appear on your phone

The articles do, but they crash often.

The comments don’t though.

What he may be trying to lock down are HRHs for his children after the Queen dies--getting assurance from Charles that new letters patent denying the HRH to the children of younger sons won't go forward. Or, if such letters are drawn up, it won't be until later in Charles' reign and the Sussex children will be grandfathered in.

No Harry has not left Meghan.....but my money is on the marriage ending sometime before 2030.

Re: the William affair rumour has been discussed at length in numerous threads...it didn't happen. The rumour was traced back by Andrew Morton and Robert Lacey to some gossip journalist who had never even met William before and posted about it as a hoax on Twitter. The tension between Rose and Kate allegedly started because one of Rose's kids was picking on George and Kate was upset. They couple have made up and have been seen out and about together since.

[quote]He couldn't leave without his balls and it's not like she'd leave them lying around.

Id love to know what R1's profession is. If it's a regular 9-5 job, he(or she) needs to quit and become a writer.

Talent like that shouldn't be wasted.

He would never leave her - she's his substitute mummy and he is totally reliant on her. Also, I'm sure he's aware he's no longer welcome back home.

She'll only leave him if she gets a better offer, which is not going to happen. He's right where she wants him - totally under narc control.

r5 Harry has been a prince since he was born, it seems unlikely that he never ran into any manipulative women who wanted to marry into the BRF. It is quite likely he dated at least a few but for some reason you and others want to believe that Meghan possessed some powerful quality that the others did not that she could use to control him completely. Make this make sense.

The only reason he would venture back is for the same reason he does everything - cold, hard cash.

It looks more and more like Spotify cancelled their contract and they haven't produced any content for Netflix. They must be burning through his inheritance like a grease fire.

maybe Harry is in England but he will never leave Meghan so get over it.

And they will also burn through his book advance in short order

[quote] he will never leave Meghan so get over it.

Perhaps not.

Though he doesn’t look so thrilled with her. The last gala they attended together, his body language spoke volumes when interacting with her. He was shrugging off her clawing arm.

Given that they are a hellish combination, it would be fascinating to be a fly on the wall in their genuine life together.

I’m reminded of Wallis Simpson’s words to the effect that it takes a great deal of effort to maintain a happy façade. (And Wallis and Edward were not so overtly toxic!)

You racist Tory bitches seriously need a new hobby.

Harry has two very young children. No way he’ll leave them or go back to England except when Liz dies.

[quote] Harry has two very young children. No way he’ll leave them or go back to England

Disagree. Their kids don’t seem to factor much in the lives of The Sussexes.

Recall Harry leaving for The Netherlands 72 hours after his firstborn son was birthed?

Or what about Meghan? Travelling intercontinentally to watch tennis shortly after the birth of her first newborn? When she would have been in the early stages of breast feeding.....and she flashed Alex Ohanian (Serena’s ) hubby with her vajajay?

Naw, those kids aren’t a priority for the couple. Harry and Meghan go wherever, whenever they want.

For R103

R105, I hadn’t seen that before, so thanks for posting. I was skeptical that she had done anything even close, but I see that she has. Even if she didn’t show any actual chocha, the act of splaying her legs like that while seated in public is louche enough. Would Michelle Obama have done that?

Yeah, I don’t think he’ll leave her. Look at his American corollary, Alex Baldwin. He’s doubled down with his pretty psycho. He LIKES it.

The only thing is that Harry is a royal and his entitlement is deeply ingrained. He’s used to having things his way, and isn’t used to actually working as Baldwin has had to (and, to be fair, still does).

^ The photo isn’t a full one, but it’s hilarious to see the faces of Alex and Meghan captured in the moment.

Alex appears startled. Meghan has the smug Cat-That-Ate-The-Cream look she frequently exhibits.

Though, she’s done the flashy bit before during her royaling-of-78-days-tenure. Incredibly, while she was pregnant, she participated in an onstage conference with world leaders and gave the populace a Basic-Instinct-Sharon-Stone look.

It was vile.

My hunch is if the marriage ends it will because Meghan leaves him, and in typical Meghan fashion she'll hurl vague accusations of him doing something horrific. Harry being the idiot he is, will try to return to the UK unsure why is family slams the door in his face.

R108, did all those women plan their black-and-white outfits? So she IS capable of working with others when planning what to wear?

They're plainly miserable.

R110, she did the same thing at a Westminster ceremony. See 0:21. The dumbass looked like an Aer Lingus stewardess.

William was looking at her with pure lust ... they must've been shagging all night long, R111.

What a shame they seem to be done with babymaking. That night might've resulted in Cambridge kid no 4.

[quote] The dumbass looked like an Aer Lingus stewardess.

LOL.

"Bridget, there's a guy in first asked me about tossed salad. I thought the tray was goat cheese and tomato?"

In that green cape dress and with the green fascinator, she looked like fucking Kermit.

R110

It's fun to imagine Kate pulling Meghan aside and saying, "Change of plans, we're going olive green for the photo."

Then smiling serenely as Meghan stuck out like a sore thumb.

Re R110's pic of Louis' christening, Harry complied with the color regime (blue or blueish tie). Perhaps it was Kate who was asking for certain colors to be worn ... that might explain Meghan's obvious unwillingness, given the guileful bitch she is.

She bewitched him with her tender trap.

R118, lotta miles on that thing, innit?

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That was a remark that rapidly moves you into cancel territory. Fool. And classless.

R121 it astounds me that a journalist (albeit a shitty one) who’s written for major publications, would think that publicly wishing death on a public figure is an okay thing to do. The only explanation I can think of besides incredible stupidity and lack of decency/ kindness on the journalist’s part, is that she feels emboldened to go after anyone who’s not considered to be the victim class. That’d obviously be anyone who’s not black, judging by how she kisses Meghan’s ass simply because Meghan recently self-identified as black.

There is no way Harry would leave Meghan. He has way too much skin in the game with her, and to do so he would have to admit everyone was right about her all along. That would never happen. Meghan on the other hand, would likely start to leaking to the press when she's ready to leave. I could see her even doing some sad looking pap walks with the kids. I don't think it will be any time soon. She hasn't squeezed all she can out of it.

Meghan will do an Amgelina when she wants out and accuse Harry of abusing the kids. He has a history of anfger issues and an unstable personality so he won't be hard to set up.

But Megz is over 40 now, with two kids, and pathetic as Hazza may be, I don't see many other options for her - professionally or romantically. She'll cling to him.

[quote] it astounds me that a journalist (albeit a shitty one) who’s written for major publications, would think that publicly wishing death on a public figure is an okay thing to do

These days, these rotten people get away with literally anything. I hope there will be an end to their idiocy soon.

I echo the opinion of R73. And I don't know if many of you have forgotten about COVID. We are drowning in it in the US at this point. I cannot believe there is any way Harry would be let anywhere near his grandmother for any visit. The most he would get is a phone or video call and it is unclear to me whether that is even an option. HM takes advice but she still makes the decisions regarding her own life and family. He was a favorite at one time as was Andrew. Even with any sort of communication, as R73 notes, it won't change much for Harry as his relationship with the RF is permanently broken.

Even you hate the monarchy, wishing the Queen died is STUPID!

[quote] Disagree. Their kids don’t seem to factor much in the lives of The Sussexes.

You don’t know SHIT about their lives, r104, so kindly fuck off & take your hatred of the Sussexes with you.

I think it's probably gone too far to redeem Harry. Unless he comes out of the divorce as the victim, somehow and then finds a nice second wife for a nice second act. But he had such a hand in the damage done prior there isn't much room for forgiveness, if any.

I’m going against the crowd: I believe Harry will leave Meghan, and not the other way around.

He’s used to being one of the most beloved members of the royal family. That changed—dramatically—after marrying Meghan. He’s not a stable person—he’s spoiled, entitled and reckless. He also seems to have an issue with alcohol—and maybe drugs (which, no doubt, he sneaks when she’s not looking.)

He will gravitate away scolding mommy to someone he can have fun with. That ain’t Meghan “I thought of killing myself and my unborn baby every day” Markle.

I remember reading somewhere a person describing why Charles chose Camilla over Diana: “Camilla makes him laugh. She gives him a boost while Diana is always unhappy and tears him down.”

Harry will realize that it will only raise his coinage to ditch M. I suspect she’s getting desperate. Her insecurity is surfacing in public appearances, where she clutches and clings to him and doesn’t let him out of her sight.

2022 is the year when dueling books—autobio of Harry and bio of Meghan—will be publish. Harry’s book—written during a period when he was spitting flames at his daily—will cause new explosions. And the Meghan bio—written by an investigative journalist—is certain to uncover many nasty truths. (To be fair to Meghan, if an investigative journalist was writing about any of our lives they’d uncover lots of sordid stuff!)

This mess will play out against the backdrop of the beloved Queen’s Jubilee and will not be well received by any but the most ardent H/M admirers.

So, after the pummeling they’re sure to get this year, Im guessing that Harry hightails it to Africa or other place of comfort on a “humanitarian” mission and fails to return home.

Even the most well adjusted couples would be hard pressed to weather this much scrutiny and turmoil. It’s going to end—and end quickly—and Harry will pull the plug. (Don’t forget—Meghan lives to be the victim— so allowing H to leave the marriage will give her the role of a lifetime!) It will lead to the divorce to end all divorces because there’s no way in hell Meghan will go easily.

Harry has nothing to apologize for. He did no damage. It’s progress. The “Royal Family” is an archaic concept and should be disbanded when Queenie Liz dies.

Because no one is going to forget Charles’ racism. He can’t ascend the throne now. It’s the perfect time to get rid of the whole thing.

R43 seems to have a grudge against all authenticated posters, and for no very good reason. Della, for example, gives Meghan the benefit of the doubt so often that it's annoying.

You can't just call people "Klan" every time they express even mild doubts about MM.

Charles' racism?

I can't remember it in order to forget it.

R43 Fuck you, cunt. I'm still here.

R131 In the UK (where it actually matters) Harry is now the last popular royal, Charles is even more popular than him now. Harry and Meghan are all but yesterday's news in the UK. The monarchy will survive for some time to come.

R131– get some help

[quote]You can't just call people "Klan" every time they express even mild doubts about MM.

Oh honey, if the hood fits....

A more interesting rumour, now carried by the TIMES as well as the idiot Express, is that the Harkles are selling the mansion in Montecito, that they like the neighbourhood but are disenchanted with the house.

This was something you could see coming. They probably need money, want to downsize so they don't constantly get slammed when they talk about climate change, and figure they can make a killing on the current real estate market.

I tell you, Meghan is a true shark: she has to keep moving or she dies. Poor Archie - this would be his fourth move in two years. Frogmore, then Canada and Tyler Perry's place, then the 16 bathroom Montecito place, and he isn't even three yet.

It's "country" by So Cal standards and they're both city people. Frogmore had the same problem.

R131, please keep crying RAAAACISM!!! over and over again -- it makes you Sussex Squad idiots as well as your heroine look less credible and more malicious by the day. :-)

R130, you make a very good argument, and have persuaded me it’s possible he could leave her.

Everytime I go on twitter and see the Sussex Squad Karens making psycho posts that threaten or wish death on the royal family I report those motherfuckers.

R139 Indeed. For the British upper classes, Windsor is to London what Greenwich or Chappaqua are to NYC.

Real country is the Norfolk shore where Sandringham is and where the Cambridgescwere given their stately Not London home, or Balmoral, or Gloucestershire where Charles and Anne have homes, or Herefordshire on the Welsh order.

Then there's the Cotswolds, but lately, my dear, it is just INFECTED with the nouveau riche celebrity crowd. Why, you might as well buy a place in the Hamptons!

Kidding aside, when the Harkles are on the move, it usually means the game is afoot again.

And they aren't listing it, they're only showing to private viewers whose financial bona fidees have been established.

No SHOPPERS, thank you!

^*bona fides (not fidees)

Exactly, Montecito is gorgeous and exclusive but it's not where the action is. I still think Meghan would rather be in LA.

If we made a concerted effort to F&F R131 going forward, it would at least get grayed and tagged. That might send it somewhere else. I used to think it was just some disaffected, prospectless sort who for some reason saw meaning and identity in what she projected onto Meghan Markle. Now I just think she's nuts. And that comment about the Queen and Betty White was just over the line. Not the same person (I don't think) but the same species.

Meghan and Harry are so awful and make such inviting targets it's almost as if they were invented to steer the tabloids away from going after Kate and William.

I don’t blame them for selling that house, it’s ugly! I would guess they only bought it in the first place because they needed a place of their own and didn’t have the time to wait around for something better to be listed. To me it was a clear sign that (a) their move to CA was impulsive and unplanned, (b) neither one of them is sensible, because they should have just rented for a year or two.

If they now sell their abode, they REALLY need the money.

[quote]I still think Meghan would rather be in LA.

But would Harry?

Hm, why not? LA is offering much more distraction.

Harry is way fucking worse than Meghan. He’s a sniveling follower of Meghan, he chose to do so by ditching and lying about his family. He needed to be part of the victim class hence the dumbfuck ippublic presentation of his emotional dysregulation as his entry ticket to the downtrodden, victim class. He needed to feel public adoration as a jack of all expertise, offering his dipshit opinion about every social and political topic du jour. fuck him.

[quote] He needed to feel public adoration as a jack of all expertise, offering his dipshit opinion about every social and political topic du jour.

We see how that works out, though. He's getting ridiculed every single time he's uttering his opinion and his "insight".

I still think Harry married Meghan because he (subconsciously or no) saw her as a way to break with the things about his life that made him unhappy, but that he couldn’t bring himself to change directly.

With them selling, does this mean she's going to jump to Manhattan like everyone was predicting?

"You will be punished for saying bad things about the black princess" is the exact opposite of racism, but I hope her fans keep going. It might actually defang that monster in America once and for all.

He's a coward dipshit, R154, because he could've left the BRF easily years ago, without some grifter narc to tell him what to do.

I can’t imagine them moving to New York. I bet they’ll just move a little closer to LA, maybe Malibu.

R155 She'd be eaten alive in New York.

If they move, they'll remain somewhere in Cali OR they'll go to the NYC area. What are some posh spaces around NYC? You know rather "ordinary" rich people areas are far too inferior, given their delusions of grandeur.

If they moved to the East Coast I could only really see them in Manhattan itself. They wouldn’t fit in or like the suburbs around there like Greenwich or Darien, areas like the Hamptons are more seasonal than permanent, and the Hudson Valley towns are more WASPy hipster than their style.

They could do something off the wall like horse country in Virginia, but they would be very bored.

Ultimately Meghan is a Cali girl, I don’t see them going East.

New York doesn't look too attractive these days (which saddens me, a onetime NYer). At least LA has nice weather and year-round al fresco dining.

They’ll likely move closer to LA because getting photographed by paps in Santa Barbara is too obviously a PR stunt. It’s much easier to fake them in LA among other poser celebs.

Does it feel like they're running out of gas? Nothing has gone according to plan, has it? Is someone thinking it's time to move on?

It has to be LA. The Harkles have a lurid fantasy of Megs being pursued by photographers like Diana was, and that sure as hell isn't happening in SB.

Scoobie doobie don't!

"It is a time-honoured tradition in journalism, used to convey anything from a government spokesman talking off-record to, in some unethical quarters, made-up quotes.

But unnamed “sources” will no longer speak for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, their team have promised.

The Sussexes’ communications team at Archewell will speak on the record or not at all, as fans of the couple are warned to pay no heed to mystery “sources” claiming to talk for them in the press."

"Anonymous “friends” have long been speaking about the Duke and Duchess, with some genuine associates doing so in a bid to protect Meghan against what they considered unfair coverage elsewhere.

Her recent court case against the Mail on Sunday arose from a handwritten letter to her father first revealed by anonymous friends in People magazine in the US.

The article saw five friends telling “the truth” about the Duchess in February 2019, after a series of articles alleging she had behaved badly while at the palace.

"Forget the fact of who she's married to: She was royalty from the day I met her," said one. "The way she carries herself, interacts with people, is how you would expect an actual royal to behave. She personifies elegance, grace, philanthropy."

Another said: "She can make a five-star meal out of the garbage in your refrigerator."

After the birth of Archie Mountbatten-Windsor in 2019, a source told Harper’s Bazaar magazine: “The baby is the most peaceful, placid child you’ll ever meet. They are so proud but probably quite relieved to have gotten the photos out the way … They’re rather tired!”

And when his little sister Lilibet arrived earlier this year, a source told US Weekly: "Harry adores Lili and loves reading her bedtime stories and rocking her to sleep. Every day just gets happier."

R166 VOMIT

How moronic do you have to be to buy this cutesy, oversugared drivel?! Any Sussex fans must be certified braindead. Royalty personified? Every day just gets happier?? That's the worst, least believable writing I've ever read!

The latest DM story: Archie attends some nursery school where he is being taught kindness.

Meghan and Harry need to attend that kindergarten, too.

ALL nursery schools teach kindness. Jesus Christ. Are we to assume that the plebeian preschools teach fisticuffs?

I wonder if they’re going to send him to a school that teaches math and reading when he gets older.

They only moved to Montecito to get in good with Oprah and her circle. Now that it's clear it's not happening, they'll take off for Bel-Air or maybe Brentwood. Where do the Kardashians live? I can see Meghan trying them next.

I can see them moving to NY because Meghan is a deluded narcissist who couldn't possibly believe that she won't succeed there. I hope they do, because the fallout would be a fun trainwreck.

I believe selling because they are "unhappy with the neighbourhood" is just code for 'we can't afford it". Spotify appear to have dropped them and I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix have too. The bank of daddy has probably shut its doors as well.

Spotify got royally ripped off. They paid them millions for one podcast.

I would be surprised if Spotify outright paid them millions, r172. But then again, it would explain why it’s been over a year since their last podcast.

Does anyone know if you have to be a paid subscriber to listen to them?

R171 and rightly so. This is a man in his thirties who, despite leaving his "job" representing the Crown, complained publicly about not getting money from daddy.

He can go fuck himself, and publicly so. Perhaps he should get himself an OnlyFans account to make a couple of bucks.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

For a start, the Harkles PR put those figure outs - it is extremely unlikely they were paid anything like that when you compare to other celebrities rumoured fugures. Secondly, they wouldn't have paid it upfront, but rather an advance - same with Netflix.

They seem to love spending, but in celebrity terms, they don't have loads of cash and they're burning through it. I think he probably doesn't have much left and they don't seem to have many prospects.

If Spotify was dumb enough to give the Harkles a ton of money prior to getting a certain amount of podcasts in advance, the company deserves what it got - a pair of lazy grifters only lunatics would listen to.

Meghan has always wanted the A-list Hollywood lifestyle. She thought Harry was her ticket to that, but once she realized being a Royal involves a great deal of public service and putting the spotlight on others, as well as following a set list of rules, she was done.

If Brad Pitt came calling, she'd be out the door and Fed-Exing Harry her wedding rings in five minutes.

If she's looking for her next step up the ladder, LA probably has more opportunities to meet rich and influential men than Montecito does. There are rich and influential men in Montecito, of course, but it seems the social set up there has shut the Sussexes out.

Wasn't the Spotify deal made before the Oprah interview aired and the Sussexes showed their true colors? I can see Spotify advancing them a few million on good faith--at the time, Harry and Meghan seemed like a great bet. That all fell apart quickly, of course.

Spotify doesn’t care about “true colors,” or else they wouldn’t still have Joe Rogan on their platform. Their plan seems to be total market domination by snatching up indie podcasters plus celebrities, which to me explains why they valued signing Meghan and Harry even if they produce only minimal content—because they’re producing that (one) episode on Spotify. The podcast world right now is pretty fascinating and in a weird transition period.

Meghan has gotten an international profile and two Royal kids out of Harry. There's not much else to get, especially since the money well must be running dry and the glitz of being a Duchess is fast dimming now that the BRF has shut them out.

I think Meghan is waiting to see how the public reacts to Harry's autobiography. If that leads to more ridicule, she'll be gone and switching to a brave-single-mom-escaping-an-abusive-marriage narrative. If the public sympathizes with Harry and it leads to more positive publicity and more opportunities for them to get publicity and money, she'll stay put.

After the Montecito mansion purchase, a DLer with knowledge of Santa Barbara real estate said that it's not the actual purchase price and mortgage that is the only burden, although that's a factor.

The poster also pointed out, aptly, what every home-owner knows, whether you live in a single-wide or mansion. That is, taxes, monthly bills and general, ongoing maintenance are costs that never end and for a mansion like that, the costs must be astronomical.

That DLer pointed out that the monthly landscaping alone on the Sussex mansion probably easily runs in to thousands of dollars in annual costs.

Now there are two children that, I'm guessing, won't be going to free, public schools, they have other things that they have to devote their money to and "the right" private schools aren't cheap.

Of course, maybe that was their plan all along: buy then sell.

I'm not at all surprised if they're down-sizing.

You would think that they'd have hustled like hell to make the Spotify and Netflix deals work out: Those could have been really lucrative and helped them build a profile apart from the BRF. Instead, they've lost the money, industry connections, and reputation that the deals could have brought them.

Those deals no doubt relied mostly on Harry's input and he is a lazy fuck who has never worked a day in his life and was always just handed everything. I'm not surprised nothing got done.

Hustle hard? Yes.

Word hard? Not so much.

The Kardashians live out in Calabasas. While loaded with mansions and celebrities, that seems a bit out of the way for our Megsie. She probably thinks she fits in better in Brentwood or Bel Air with other Hollywood movers and shakers.

There have been rumors (discussed on some of the other threads) since the fall that Meghan was eyeing a move to New York to launch a political career (better Democratic connections in NYC than Cali allegedly). Regardless, they are moving from their Montecito because they are burning through money. Of course they have mounted such an expensive PR campaign, there is no way they'll admit that piece of 'inconvenient truth.' These two go through stories faster than most of us go through underwear.

I hate all royalty but these two are just hysterically self-important and I really don't get why people think they are so great. Meghan is a c-list cable actress who hasn't succeeded at anything beyond that really. Harry is an idiot with clear mental health issues who has never had any real responsibility in life.

What are the divorce laws like in NY? Harry is allegedly due to get his final payout from the Queen Mother's estate when he turns 40. So she won't leave him until then.

Anyone know when the Tom Bower book is coming out?

I think CA would actually be easier than NY for a political career. The Reps are somewhat obscure and the Senators are both older.

Regardless, though, I’ve never understood the rumor about Meghan wanting to enter politics. She already has the things lots of people go into politics to achieve: fame, notoriety, money, a platform from which to sell ideas. All she’d be doing is adding work, and work that would be regarded as embarrassing, like courting donors. I really don’t think that will happen.

R167 - Why bother replying? It's either the ravings of a mental case or satire. Yeah, ripped jeans and bare feet in a Christmas card to a charity and it's "royalty personified".

Simon. and Schuster has the rights. Nothing on its site.

R187 - For the umpteenth time, there was no payout or trust fund from the Queen Mother's estate. Estate representatives finally came out and publicly said it never happened.

There - was - no - fund - set - up - for - Charles' kids - by - the - Queen Mother.

The Bank of Dad closed in spring 2020, when Charles gave Harry the last $3 million he told him he'd get.

The money they're going through is his trust fund from Diana, whatever advances they got from Netflix, Spotify, her idiot book, and the advance for his memoir.

They finally published the Archewell Foundation's required public report, or Form 990 or whatever it is. For all their sturm und drang, pronouncements on all the "issues" they support, and their notoriety, it only pulled in $50K in donations.

So much for how riotously compelling they are to the public outside their royal connections.

In addition to the hefty mortgage, property taxes, and maintenance of the extensive home and grounds, they hired lots of security and foundation staff, plus PR, assistants, "programming" directors , communications staff . . . those people aren't working for free.

You have to know how much smoke and mirrors they are desperately putting up by how fast Catherine Saint Laurent bailed on them. She was too experienced not to figure it out soon after being hired by them. Eleven months and she bowed out gracefully. If there had been real meat there, she'd have stayed on.

Meghan has lived her entire life adhering to the maxim that you dress for the job you want, not the job you have. She's very much the "build it and they will come" sort, mentally.

What she never figured out is that there is a practical limit to how much you can do with smoke and mirrors. Sooner or later, it's put up or shut up.

Celebrities aren't rushing to pour millions into her silly foundation. Her and Harry's poll numbers have sunk even further in Britain. Most of America doesn't give fuck all about them. The Ellen appearance was a fucking disaster. The incredibly rude, intrusive political ploy didn't work, either - you notice there was no mention of her being invited to that "working lunch" on family leave or whatever the gathering was. Chuck Schumer probably reamed Gillebrand's arse over the coals over that one.

They overplayed their hand early on, and the Oprah interview ended by painting them as a pair of self-pitying, rich, lying, shites.

The only thing that went well for them was Meghan winning the privacy case, and no one gives a shit that she did, because in the process it was broadcast to the world that she perjured herself under oath.

They're clumsy, short-sighted, tone-deaf, and lucky to be rich enough not to have to pay too hard a price for being clumsy, tone-deaf, and short-sighted.

Oh, God... the Queen Mother's will troll.

Just let it believe what it needs to believe.

Here, can we put this ridiculous rumour to rest, at last? Given that the old lady was always broke and every story about the alleged funds she left him and his brother was qualified by, "It is reported that" or "It is alleged that" or "It has been said that" . . .

Next someone will post an article from the BBC and The Guardian. The Queen Mother's will troll will say The Guardian can't be trusted because it is anti-monarchy and I can't remember why the BBC can't be trusted but there's some reason.

Anyway, we had a really good run without this raising it's head, so all together now: YES, QUEEN MOTHER'S WILL TROLL, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY 100% RIGHT ABOUT THIS. YES, DEAR.

^*And her $70 million "fortune" was all in non-liquid assets that had to be liquidated to pay off her enormous debts, and not for the first time. The artwork was left to the nation, the jewels were put into the Queen's personal possession (those that weren't part of the royal collection to start with) and her London home, Clarence House, is part of the Crown Estates. She didn't own it, couldn't sell it. Charles and Camilla live there now.

Everything was left to the Queen except for a few bequests to trusty old retainers and friends.

Yes, dear, we know how important this is to you.

We get it, Trust Fund Troll. You freak out every time somebody mentions that Harry may have inherited something from his great-grandmother. Does it matter? Even if he did, it wouldn't have been more than a few million, and he and Meghan could run through that in months.

It's sad to think that if Harry and Meghan had been team players, made nice with their relatives (or in-laws), and ignored the press, they could currently be enjoying a large Kensington Palace apartment and probably a lovely country manor house (likely York Cottage). They'd have plenty of money, plenty of security, and plenty of publicity. If they'd gone along and gotten along, even the negative press coverage would have died down by now: It usually does after the first baby is born.

The career of Harry and Meghan is one of the biggest own-goals in history.

If there is memorial for Prince Philip, as announced, do you think she'd actually show up and if she does, would she be booed if it's in anywhere crowds can gather?

What r199 said. And they'd be above mere celebrity.

How disappointing.

^Exactly, R199. Them bitching because they'd have to go out and shake a few hands and hang out at parties as a "job." The behavior they exhibited in forever cutting themselves off from that demonstrates the monumental STUPIDITY of both of them. They have no talents, nothing to support themselves with, nothing.

Why should Harry have inherited from Queen Mum? He was just one of several great-grandchildren. And she was debt-ridden when she died.

That being said, even if Harry inherited a bit of money from her, it would be gone by now. Just like presumably most of the cash he has inherited from his late mother. He and the wife aren't exactly thrifty and hard-working people.

^ Do not speak of it.

If Harry and Meghan had stayed the course, imagine the adorable photos of the brothers with their wives and the five kids: Louis and Archie playing together, Charlotte pushing Lili in her pram, etc. You couldn't buy that kind of positive publicity, and it would have established the Sussexes as very much Royal.

Meghan should have watched how her sister-in-law handled things: smiling a Mona Lisa smile and being patient with the press. That's how you get the tiaras and the country estates.

R198 - Because it drives me crazy when press lies aren't challenged and live on, especially here where folk pride themselves on being a bit sharper.

Fair enough, R206, but the larger truth remains: Whatever Harry has inherited from whom, it won't be enough to sustain the life he's living. He's spending like he's the heir, not the former spare. Whatever trustfunds he's got must be dangerously drained by now.

Watch the crazy ensue:

This one includes the triggering "reportedly"....

On what basis do you determine the Guardian and the BBC would lie about what the Queen Mother did with her money? What fact can you point to? And, then, why would they lie about it?

Please stop engaging with the Queen Mother's Will Troll. It lives to argue this point over, and over. Yet, everyone just keeps poking it. Speaking of trolls, is this really a proper Meghan thread without the LSA Troll who makes all the vague threats names being named, and secret lists of IP addresses ready to be handed over to Mossad, The FBI, The CIA, MI6, and what's left of the KGB?

Is the Queen Mother’s will troll the one who brings up her leaving trusts for all her grandchildren or the one who goes apoplectic in response?

I heart R211 and promise not discuss money ever again.

R212, apoplexy.

Do they even have $50 million in cash/ liquid assets? Even $50 million is small fry in the super wealthy circle that they had hoped to weasel their way into. Just to give a better picture, there are many tech millionaires living in the SF Bay Area who are way wealthier than the Sussexes. One such person was a former client of my real estate developer uncle. He was already worth around $150 million back in the 90s. He and his family are wealthy but very low key in the way they lead their lives.

The problem with wannabe rich fucks who are cash poor is that they can only keep up appearances for so long. In that circle to only have one home (main residence) is considered odd if not unfortunate. That’s Harry and Meghan, surrounded by SB neighbors who are way wealthier than they are. In SB, it is THEY who are the social climbing gate crashers. I’m sure they’re self-conscious of it too. State income and property taxes are due along with expensive upkeep and private security, not to mention mortgage payments for the estate.

I think privately the couple worries about money quite a lot. Do they even have money to spend on Netflix projects, that Archewell production needs to further those projects along beyond PR teasers?

Where do they think they’ll live if they come to NYC? The best addresses have co-op boards that require approval. I’m sure some will accept the Harkles, but plenty don’t want paranoid and litigious owners who require lots of security staff. And many require the owner to have the entire cash purchase price of the unit in the bank, to ensure they are wealthy enough to belong to the co-op. E.g., if the unit costs $10 million, the prospective buyer must have $10 million in cash in the bank. They delve deep into credentials and references. They can deny you for ANY reason and don’t have to disclose why. You can be an A-lister, but if the board doesn’t like showbiz folks, you’re not getting in.

Try it, Meghan.

[quote] Meghan should have watched how her sister-in-law handled things: smiling a Mona Lisa smile and being patient with the press. That's how you get the tiaras and the country estates.

Yes, but Meghan doesn’t want a sedate, silently glamorous life, she wants a big loud life where she and her guy are the main characters, and that’s one of the reasons Harry wanted her. It’s hard to stomach but I see the family fracture and the public blowup as wish fulfillment for Harry, in a way. I don’t think he wants to hurt his grandmother, but his father and brother? Yes. Harry is rebelling against being cast at birth as a side character in the story of his family.

I really don’t think there’s any plan to move far. Even the DM article, in saying they disliked the location, said they wanted to move neighborhoods, not cities. I bet they will find a smaller, less costly estate to maintain (which hopefully is less ugly as well…)

Can you imagine the terrible publicity if Prince Harry can't get into a UES co-op?

Even if Harry did get a trust from his great-grandmother (not saying he did, but IF), Harry has never had 50 million in cash. Diana's original estate left Harry and William each around 10 million dollars in capital, with a yearly income of 450,000 dollars at age 25. Even with interest on the capital, that's not enough to get him anywhere near the 50 million mark. The rumors about the Queen Mother trust is that Harry got the majority of a 6 million pound lump sum left to him and William and that the brothers are supposed to split another 8 million pounds when each turn 40, with again the lion's share going to Harry.

But even if Harry DID get a trust fund from his great-grandma (leave me alone Trust Fund Troll, I'm not saying he did), and even if he got big payouts from Spotify and Netflix and a big advance on his autobiography, he doesn't have 50 million. Not with the way he and Meghan have been spending.

If they’re planning to flip the house for a profit, that’s a smart move. Ellen has been doing it in the area for years. And I do believe other posters who’ve surmised they’re not as wealthy as they need to be for the lifestyle they want.

R199 100% this! That's the thing, Buckingham Palace did such a great job covering Harry's messes that for a while he was the most popular member of the royal family. Things changes when Meghan came along as they became obsessed with their press coverage while at the same time they also become much more "showy & preachy" in a way royals aren't supposed to which started to play into their declining popularity. While I think Harry has long been a spoiled, jealous, paranoid, and spiteful person, I think he's also easily influenced. It's clear that before Meghan entered the picture, he was more influenced by William, Catherine, the Queen and Charles. I think Meghan (intentionally or not) played into his worst tendencies and influenced him against his own best interests. Brat or not, Harry was good at public engagements and not into any "woke speak" as he would later become.

As for Meghan, she was interesting and super relevant so-long as she remained the first person of color within the Royal Family, outside of it, there's nothing interesting about her and the more that is leaked out, makes her look like a lying and manipulating cunt. Also that footage of her with Harry at the Veterans awards in NYC makes it clear she gives zero fucks about the actual public work, she just likes photo opportunities. Had they just played ball with the royals (even if there was tension behind the scenes) H&M probably would have been hugely popular now (royal coverage always changes after kids are born) and always would have been relevant with the added bonus that in 15 to 20 years time, W&C's kids would be taking on more duties and they could get away with doing even less. Yes, royal engagements are boring but really you only have to do a couple a week and the UK press leaves them alone. Most royal visits are about 20 to 60 mins and then they can do whatever they want. It's not a hard life.

California state income tax (it’s really fucking high here for anyone making over $200k)

California property tax, again, ridiculously high for mansions like the Sussexes’ abode

Upkeep of mansion; mortgage payments

Security bill

Travel expenses when not mooching off of new friends with private jets

PR firm/ multiple PR staff/ private secretary

Paid PR media campaigns disguised as “news” updates on the Sussexes

Services of paparazzi and “journalist” mouthpieces

Archewell staff/ proposed project costs

Attorneys on retainer/ actual attorney fees for personal business

Attorney fees for entrepreneurial ventures (Archewell, Doria’s shady senior care business, etc….)

These things have got to add up to at least $5 million this past year alone, and that’s lowballing the estimate. It doesn’t even count the amount of money Meghan spends on ill-fitting clothes.

R223 You need help. No one should be trying to recreate another person’s budget. That is just gross, obsessive stalker bs. There is no happiness to be found hating on Harry and Meghan.

R225, zzz ...

R225 you must be new on DL. We do way more than obsessing over cunty celebs’ lifestyle, yes , budget included. “Gross, obsessive stalker bs” describes someone like yourself who come on a gay forum known for bitchery and hating on deserving celebs. Go preach your Sussex frau stan version of happiness elsewhere. YOU are the one needing help. This is DL, you’re here pointing fingers at those of us who like to pointlessly bitch about gossip and cunty celebs. Fuck off.

^ Klan Granny pretending to be a DL regular

infatuation wears off after 3 years - being away from his family is nothing for Harry - he's isolated from the mates he'd go down to the pub with

R228 = Markle fanfish desperately trying to make "Klan Granny" happen

R230 the Markle Troll darts from thread to thread accusing people of being racists against The Star of Suits.

[quote] As for Meghan, she was interesting and super relevant so-long as she remained the first person of color within the Royal Family, outside of it, there's nothing interesting about her

This is so accurate, r222. As I have repeatedly posted here ever since the wedding, I had hoped that the Sussexes would have the shrewdness, sophistication and maturity to take advantage of their unique situation within the Royal family and carve out a position of positive contrast to the Cambridges.

She was a "C List", mid-30s, divorced actor with not many moves left. He was the spare who needed a fresh image.

Imagine if they had stuck it out, where their fame would now be? Hell, the "A List" ( I hate that term, but it'll have to do) would be beneath them.

But no. Markle had to show-off with that Celebrity Show-folk Trash NY City Baby Shower, revealing that she didn't see mingling with celebs as a part of the job of being Royal; a thing one must do at a premier or Gala, but instead and incorrectly saw it as the job itself.

Then they foolishly pushed all their chips in on the Oprah interview.

I wouldn't know how they think but if you're a tech billionaire looking to rub elbows with Royalty or an actual mover and shaker in world politics, who do you want a photo op with? The Cambridges or the Sussexes?

Hint: the answer is the future King and Queen Consort of the UK. If the Sussexes were still part of the Royal family, you'd want one with both families.

Turn the oven to OFF, the Sussexes are done.

r225, what part of the meaning of "gossip' eludes you?

Let's not forget that Markle isn't the sex kitten anymore who let Harry put his schlong into all her holes day and night so that he'd finally marry her.

Now that she has got the ring and the two kids as eternal meal tickets, there's no need for her to get shagged by the fuckwit.

Plus, she has got fat, so I guess Harry isn't too attracted to his former sex kitten either.

"gossip"

And forgot to add, r223's post was damn interesting and most likely right on the money.

Only one person is ending that marriage and it ain't him.

R223's right - all those 'jobs' Harry claimed to have: they were all for obscure tech start-ups. I figure they would claim to hire Harry (who of course has zero qualifications to do anything) to get publicity to try to work up some interesting in their outfit. He was probably getting a fee for 'endorsing' them and then he'd move on. They've produced no content for Spotify and nothing for Netflix. It seems like they got contracts with both by emphasizing they could get the royal family to show up for them. Then they had the bad idea to shoot their wad for free with Oprah thereby ensuring their relatives' enmity and non-participation in their get-rich-quick ventures. Oops. They aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer not to mention both of them appear to have several sandwiches missing from their picnic.

It's interesting to speculate about what exactly they expected to come from the Oprah interview. Even if what they spouted was all true and backed by receipts (btw Gayle, where are those receipts??), Harry would have to have known that his family would never admit to anything or apologize, if they said anything at all.

And while Harry may not want to hurt his gran, it's pretty clear that he gives two shits about her given the timing of the Oprah interview and his not attempting to see his grandfather before he passed.

[quote] And while Harry may not want to hurt his gran

He doesn't give a fuck about his Grandmother. Because if he did, he would never have agreed to do that interview in the first place.

[quote]and carve out a position of positive contrast to the Cambridges.

R232, what the hell does that mean? The Cambridges are doing what is expected of them and doing it extremely well.

The "Body Language Guy" on Youtube has done some video comments about the Sussex engagement video.

He focuses at one point when Harry is talking about how M will become part of the "team" (of the Royal Family). And TBLG points out the expression on M's face when H says this.

M was not, is not and will never be interested in being a part of any team.

Of course they are r240. I meant they shouldn't try to compete with the Cambridges; there is no competing with the future King and Queen of the UK and commonwealth realms.

My point is that the Sussexes should have embraced that and carved out their own unique presence, supporting the Cambridges and knowing their place; a place that would have given them lesser prominence but more freedom.

I think the presence of all four as working Royals would have been a great, interesting, positive contrast in images.

That's what I mean.

Could have. Would have. Should have.

They’ve got to be Seriously hurting for money at this point….guessing that will speed up the inevitable divorce….

I've always had the impression that money is the root of most marital disputes.

They.

Are.

Broke.

[QUOTE] Markle fanfish desperately trying to make "Klan Granny" happen

It happened years ago and everyone knows the term now. It's even in Urban Dictionary.

This thread is riddled with misinformation. There's zero evidence that they're selling the Montecito house and why are you whores calling it ugly? Ugly is that red brick monstrosity Kensington Palace. It looks like a Victorian mental hospital.

Hah, r246, you’re right.

R246, R247, R248, zzz ...

Wow, an entry in Urban Dictionary, how impressive.

Glad we were able to put you to spleen r249. Have a nice loooong nap.

Oops, ha sleep at r251.

I appear to have successfully blocked the Megaloon.

R243...

Icarus Montecito with Schadenfreude

Take two cups hubris. Fold in 10 pounds ham fisted. Add four tablespoons bad timing, plus a half cup bad call. Let sit for 36-months until fermented.

There has to be SUCH rancor in that Montecito mansion.

Decades ago on the radio, Howard Stern said something I've never forgotten. He was talking about celebrity divorces, and he theorized that when things aren't going well in a celeb's career, they start looking for a reason, which means at the people around them. Since it can't possibly be their own fault, they often zero in on the mate, who must be the problem. Who knows about Harry and Meghan, but I thought this was an interesting idea.

^Well in this case they only have each other, at this point.

The Klan Granny Fanfish (love the term btw), introduced the “Klan Granny” term to Urban Dictionary after I told her “Markled” was a real thing and “even in the Urban Dictionary”.

The Klan Granny Fanfish Troll got such great joy at introducing their ageist, racist term into the Urban Dictionary.

The Markles/Harkles and the SS/Sugar Squad, Klan Granny Trolls are all such poor imitators. They copy and leech off everyone else: grifting, lying and being delusional fools as this is all they know how to do.

They are all in a cult.

R256, that is interesting. It doesn’t bode well for those ding dongs. They’re probably screaming at each other night and day, blaming the other for the mess they’re in.

Anyone with a brain knows that a Sussex divorce would be a shitshow. Harry and Meghan are both spoiled and narcissistic and will blame every issue on each other. It will make Brad and Angie look like an amicable uncoupling.

Those poor fucking kids.

R245

Fans said the same thing during the feud. It was just tabloid misinformation that the brothers didnt get along, just more clickbait that the Sussexes moved out of KP and not actually anything serious, much ado about nothing that they split from the Royal Foundation. People said everyone who gossiped about the Sussex drama was just a racist who wanted to see Meghan destroyed for being black, when in reality everything was great and TQ and UK loved them.

Then there was a feud and they did leave.

People said they'd never stay in Canada, Meghan wanted to go to Hollywood, she'd try to get involved in politics, do talk shows. Fans said that was all tabloid misinformation and we were racists for gossiping about it. Everything was fine! Just more clickbait and false news from the UK media.

Then they moved to LA (and Montecito) and Meghan has been cold-calling pols and went on Oprah and Ellen and Harry did Dax and Cordan, and they signed deals with two media companies.

Now it looks like rumblings of divorce and here we go again. It's just racist ridiculousness generated by bored tabloids and it doesnt mean anything.

In 2023, Harry and Meghan officially hit the 7-year itch. That will probably be the end of things.

Adding to what R261 said, way back before the wedding, the Dangling Tendrils threads at DL predicted that Meghan would bounce from Royal service within two years. Posters were called racists for that prediction, too.

It's not even like it takes a great deal of acumen to see what is happening with the Sussexes: They telegraph every move months in advance.

R263 R251 - Interesting observation. Given how little Big Money from Big Givers their foundation has gotten in its start-up phase, it's obvious that things haven't gone the way they assured themselves it would after their noisy bail. If it had, they'd have raised huge amounts of good-will start-up funds from the likes of Oprah, Clooney, Serena Williams, Gayle King, the Obamas, and all the other Progressive Woke types in LaLa Land. That they didn't speaks volumes about their lack of real pull in those circles, if not active personal dislike.

It all probably dictates a reassessment and regroup. It would be typical of Meghan to signal an internal reset with an external move.

Trashing the family, again, in a couple of "memoirs", given how disastrously that game backfired on them last year, is probably a Hail Mary Pass because it's still what publishers are willing to pay them for.

But what happens when that's gone?

Last year, Philip died at a most unfortunate moment for their self-pitying whingeing and lies.

With their luck, the Queen will die when Harry's memoir comes out, his self-obsessed petulance playing out against the backdrop of a state funeral, the family in black, tribute after tribute pouring in from the world press, William looking even more powerful as he walks right behind the new King, the aura of the riches of the Duchy of Cornwall and the title PoW coming off him like smoke, his also increasingly regal, tall, slender duchess gorgeous in a fitted black coat, pearls, and a delicious hat with a veil.

Yeah, Harry, you're soooooo important, we're all soooooo interested in how you FEEL.

Just give us a moment to clock the hats and jewels of the Kings and Queens of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands, Spain, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Japan, and the Gulf States who are all in attendance.

Soon as it's all over we'll ask if you're OK.

R264

[quote] ...William looking even more powerful as he walks right behind the new King, the aura of the riches of the Duchy of Cornwall and the title PoW coming off him like smoke, his also increasingly regal, tall, slender duchess gorgeous in a fitted black coat, pearls, and a delicious hat with a veil.

Yes!

Thanks for painting that great picture.

As I keep saying, the one advantage Meghan and Harry bring to the RF is that they make Charles and William and Camilla and Kate look good and draw them sympathy. Take the Sussexes out of the picture and it's back to fuddy-duddy Charles and stuck-up William.

That may have been true at one point, but Kate and William have really come into their own over the last couple of years. They'll gain more public interest as Prince and Princess of Wales, and their three attractive kids will only become more fascinating to press and public as they get older.

By the time the Cambridge children are all teenagers, Harry and Meghan will be around 50. They won't have the public's attention at that point except as sad curiosities. Archie and Lili might do better unless they turn into spoiled, jaded LA brats. Then we'll be back to the Sussexes making the Cambridges look better by contrast: Younger Generation Edition.

The tabs need a target or two. Without the Sussexes, they would have focused on somebody else. (Andy is too easy a target; they need more.)

The tabs will chew on Harry and Meghan until the next generation of Royal kids grow up. They'll have a lot to choose from then: The Queen has a dozen great-grandchildren already and will likely have half-a-dozen more. Bea and Eug aren't finished, then there are the eventual Wessex grandkids, and I wouldn't rule out Peter Phillips having more with a new wife--he still hasn't got a son, and that sort of thing is important to men of that background.

Harry and Meghan have 15 years, tops. The Phillips kids are already almost tweens, and the tabs usually start in when the Royal offspring are older teenagers. In 15 years Harry will be 53 and Meghan 56--they'll only make tabloid fodder then if they really, really fuck something up like Andrew did.

It's a question of what sells newspapers (or gets clicks). When and will the public tire of H+M? Who knows.

People have already tired of them, R271. Even that Christmas card with Lilibet didn't get them that much attention. Tbh, I would've expected Lilibet to be more interesting to people, alas they don't seem to give a fuck that much.

In terms of impact and public interest, Harry and Meghan are toast.

Harry must be such a private worry for Charles.

If they wanted publicity from revealing a photo of Lilibet, they needed to release it within a few weeks of her birth. She was six months old by the time they released that Christmas card, and people had already moved on.

Agreed r273, and part of it has to be how William will treat Harry after Charles death.

If the Sussexes really are burning through their money, both Charles and William are holding all the financial cards.

I assume Charles will leave Harry and all of his grandkids some cash at Charles death, but I have to believe that, right now, if the Sussexes divorce, Charles is of no mind to have his money used to set up Markle in the style she's grown accustomed to.

I maintain that Harry will bolt from Markle. Better to have a messy, pocket-cleaning divorce now, start over, tail between your legs, and go back to PaPa, er, excuse me, I mean the one day King of the UK and Commonwealth realms.

Even if Harry doesn't divorce Markle, he has the upper hand, if he can recognize that he does.

She's tougher and smarter than him. But, she's no Lauren Sanchez or Wendi Deng. Those two are in a whole different league than Markle.

It's telling that the anticipated divorce is more interesting and fun to speculate about than whatever these two are actually up to these days.

[quote]Archie and Lili might do better unless they turn into spoiled, jaded LA brats.

Who wants to lay odds on that?

[quote]She's tougher and smarter than him.

Low bar. Is the actual problem a lack of stick-to-itiveness. Just look at Spotify. Look at the Ellen squat. What's going on there? When it's all want, all talk, all press release, with nothing to offer except talk and want and ambition, you get what you've seen. The idiotic small band of worshippers aside, most thinking people look at the last 24-months with disdain.

If she wanted to marry for money, she made the wrong choice. It appears she doesn't have any particularly lucrative talents to stand on her own if ill-fitting shoed two feet in the style to which it appears she wishes to become accustomed. If she wanted to be Lauren Sanchez or Wendi Deng she married the wrong guy, though a bird in the hand, I guess. It would have been better to milk Harry for the publicity and then launched herself into the stratosphere while people thought much differently of her. Can you imagine the benefits of poor, pretty actress who found love but was hounded away from it by the racist British press? Fucking bingo, gold mine and three cherries motherload. She'd have been at the Obamas birthday party with that title.

Tougher than Harry, probably. Smarter than Harry? Likely. But as ever there is the appearance of more want and ambition than strategy and that is a major weakness. Anyone divorcing out of a marriage like this will have more comfort materially than if you hadn't broken through, but there will never be everything that seems to be desired. As ever where there is more want and ambition and demand for obedience than there is strategy, there is sloppiness, miscalculation and failure. If that is what is at play here, she played it wrong, which you could argue is a pattern.

In the event of a divorce, Meghan's trump card is the children. If Harry wants to see his kids, he'll have to play nice with her.

Of course, like many straight men, he may just start over with a new wife and kids.

I think Harry can afford better lawyers with Papa’s money, no? Meghan should be afraid.

r276, great post. I think your analysis is sound.

Good lawyers or not, in the ruthless divorce tactics sweepstakes, I wouldn't put my money on Harry. Besides he's such an idiot he'll probably play the gentleman's card: oh, my children's mothers, oh, the racism... blah blah blah.

R277, she did a clever public thing, writing the book about Harry and Archie BONDING on their BENCH. It’s right there in black and white, proof that Harry is a better father than Charles or Phillip or William. It’s part of Harry’s brand and image. He can’t walk away from his son.

Of course, it’s also in black and white and live color that Harry has mental illness, so if she wants to banish him, she’s got ammo. Of course, so has he, come to think of it. She did that whole thing about being suicidal while pregnant… hmmmm.

They'll be divorced within 2 years. Then Harry will go in pursuit of wife no. 2... then wife no.3... just like his uncle Charlie. He'll keep the tabloids busy for the next 20 years.

^ that's probably the path, yep. Hard to imagine worse pairings but if anybody can do it...

[quote]In the event of a divorce, Meghan's trump card is the children. If Harry wants to see his kids, he'll have to play nice with her.

He doesn't need to "play nice", he'll just need a half decent lawyer. Parents get shared custody these days, 50-50, Harry will get the same. They'll have to shuttle the kids back and forth; the only concession is they'll probably have to stay in CA so both parents will stay put as well.

The days of fathers having to fight to see their children are over. Even drug addicts who get out of jail get their shared custody kept intact these days. It's more a problem to get dads to go and see their kids half the time, I don't believe Harry will have that problem.

The thing about the children is if they divorce, and Harry reconciles with the BRF, and is granted use of a home in the UK, I can see Markle asking a Court to order that she is allowed to accompany the children's visitations with him - seperate lodgings at his expense, of course - because she'll fear he'll refuse to send them back to the states.

Seriously, this could blow-up into one of those international child custody battles that grabs the headlines every decade or so.

Yet, often, such a faint line between fear and hope.

r282,

I can see it the other way, too, however, the other way means I've generously assumed he has an iota of common sense: he stays single, and for good measure and wisely, he gets a vasectomy.

Why? Finances. Another family will cost money. And he'll already be on the hook for child support. In fact, a smart woman would only see him strictly as fling material. Mr. Right Now, rather than Mr. Right.

After all, if you marry him, you marry his baggage.

why Della/r285? High profile international couples get divorced all the time, they have airtight custody agreements to work out such intricacies in advance. And Harry isn't going to make a grab for the kids in the UK - it would be the worst look ever for him and the BRF, it would never happen. He'd have authorities all over him. US divorce agreements are recognized by most of our NATO European ally countries.

Look at Madonna and Guy Ritchie. Married in Scotland, divorced in a NY state court. Their divorce/custody agreement was filed in NY state, but recognized by the UK when their son Rocco went to dad's in London one Christmas and refused to return. Madge went to NY court within days, and Guy was ordered to send the kid home, stat (which he did lest he be pulled in by UK authorities).

The US court of course later modified custody to allow Rocco to residentially live with Guy, which was his wish, and as a late teenager it was granted.

They'd be far more interesting as a reality show once divorced. Dynasty didn't really kick into gear until Joan Collins, after all.

r288, I feel re-schooled after reading your post, in a good way.

Many years ago, I took law courses in choice-of-law, both international and domestic, and family law.

Obviously, I let my desire for drama exceed what are the legal realities of international divorce and custody laws.

and r289, I don't dismiss that prospect out-of-hand.

Harry is really, really stupid. He was pandered to all his life by his father and palace staff which brought out every negative aspect in his character. He is basically uneducated and has no curiosity in anything. He smokes like a chimney and his clothes stink. Harry is a sex maniac and could not stay faithful to Meghan, so I'll bet he's been unfaithful to her as often as he can get the chance. Meghan must be bugging him for sex, because she knows that's how she landed him in the first place. Meghan hates having sex with Harry because of his body odor and he's a bed lover.

The BRF have a lot of dirt on Megsie that they buried so that Dim and D-list could present as a perfect couple. I would imagine all of that will come flooding out should our heroine try to play hardball during any divorce.

If the marriage breaks down, rest assured it will be Meghan filing for divorce. Not only will she want to paint herself as victim but she'll also want to choose the jurisdiction for the dissolution.

She'll have her lawyers determine where she's likely to get the biggest payout, and that's where she'll file. Of course.

You can’t draw up a custody agreement before children are born. Or, you can, but it won’t necessarily be enforceable. Custody agreements are always subject to review and change. I mean, what if a man gets a woman to agree to relinquish custody in the event of a divorce and then he becomes an incompetent and broke drug addict amd has a psychotic break? And she’s the one making all the money? He gets the kids because that’s what they agreed before they married?

I know it wasn't a custody agreement and agree with R295, but recall the reporting around the time of the wedding that Harfwit expressly ruled out a pre-nup. He's a pushover. Which is why the whole thing started.

[quote] It's sad to think that if Harry and Meghan had been team players, made nice with their relatives

Team players? With the man that helped kill Harry’s mother and bemoaned the potential dark skin of his first grandchild?

R297 please take your fanfic back to Celebitchy - if any man killed Di it was Dr. Khan for dumping her so she had to fake a romance with Dodi Fayed, inviting the paps along for the ride, to try to make him jealous

The international aspect is what will make custody tricky. It's 8000 miles from LA to London--if Harry returns to the UK, he won't be able to have the kids on weekends. Once they are in school, they won't be able to visit the UK except over the holidays. If Harry wants a real relationship with Archie and Lili, he'll have to stay in California. He'll have to work to overcome the alienation tactics you know Meghan will try.

It takes a lot of time, money, and effort to make a situation like that work. Harry isn't Brad Pitt: He doesn't have deep pockets or a work ethic (and even Brad hasn't done so well in his own custody case). It will be much easier for Harry to let Meghan have the kids, see them once in a great while (when Meghan wants a photo op of Archie and Lili with King Charles), and lead an undemanding Royal bachelor lifestyle otherwise.

He could very well go the Andrew route and not marry again. He wasn't considered prime husband material by women of the upper classes before he hooked up with Meghan. As a divorced man with a drained trust fund and a tarnished reputation, he'll be even less appealing.

Pre-nups aren't legally binding in Great Britain anyway. The Justice presiding over the divorce is free to take one into consideration if he/she deems it relevant but it will get no more weight as evidence than the Justice decides is appropriate.

If Harry decided to fight for custody of Archie and Lili, he'll do it on his own. You know his family won't get involved in that mess.

If they divorce I hope we get a messy custody battle, like what Kelly Rutherford pulled. However, unlike Kelly, Harry will get painted as the bat shit crazy one. Meghan will make sure she gets the suffering mother/think of the children!!! edit.

Will she faint on the stand?

That's Meghan's final pivot: Brave single mother. She'll try to spin that into a talk show ala Oprah or Ellen.

Fuck Harry. Look at William's, ummm, nether region in this pic.

Late to the program R305. We have seen Williams dick many times. It used to close out the Dangling Tendrils threads

Nicccccccccccccce, R306.

Meghan can never go back to The UK, she’s worse than Wallis Simpson now.

What's with all the talk about a custody battle? That's fanfic. She (or he) will file for divorce in CA, where 50-50 is the strong norm. There is very little either will be able to use to reduce or change this - unless one of them murders someone or gets caught with a stash of smack in their valise. And even then they'll still have strong visitation.

Harry will of course need to stay local to be near the kids on a regular basis. He'll only be able to take them back to the UK for designated, pre-approved vacations.

As I am only into the royals for the delicious gossip, I can't wait for the nasty divorce from hell to play out.

Let it be sooner rather than later and messy as hell.

Meghan has a problem. She'll want her lil' princes to have upper-class Brit accents and they'll turn out to sound like Valley girls.

Meghan is paranoid about her kids being in the UK. She whisked Archie out of their as soon as things went sour, and Lili has never been there at all. She'll fight like hell to keep Harry from taking them back even for visits--she's afraid the BRF won't let them leave again. Which is silly: The BRF isn't causing an international incident over kids that far away from the throne.

*out of there

R312, exactly. They’re all more important in her mind than they actually are. Children should be a priority to their parents, so, yeah.

Then she'll probably be pissed off and dispatch her winged monkeys to scream racism.

She'll try to sob or squat on a talk show but who will have her by that point? Wendy Williams? Chew the Fat? Andy Cohen?

'I maintain that Harry will bolt from Markle. Better to have a messy, pocket-cleaning divorce now, start over, tail between your legs, and go back to PaPa, er, excuse me, I mean the one day King of the UK and Commonwealth realms.'

In your dreams, Klan whore. He hated the UK, hated playing second fiddle to William, was bored by the trivial round of engagements. Why would he return to all that?

All the shit you Klanners said Meghan would do, she hasn't. Has never done photoshoots with the children and sold them to magazines and she abandoned her instagram instead of evolving into the influencer you all said she's become. Your endless obsession with her 'merching' has finally died now that Kate is actually merching her own three kids with endless photoshoots accompanied by links to all the clothes and shoes they wear. Meghan and Harry barely show their faces and you all predicted they'd be at every awards show going.

Most of the awards shows are high profile and you have to be invited.

[quote] In your dreams, Klan whore

"Klan"? Now, that hurts.

You're unhinged, a troll, or both.

Oops, forgot to add, r316-

[quote] Why would he return to all that?

Money, as in none, you loon.

Meghan had it MADE. Why did she have to fuck it all up, why why WHY?!

R321 watching her make the wrong move at every turn was the source of all the entertainment.

It's really sad. After marrying Harry, all she had to do was smile and get along. That's it. The press would have calmed down after Archie was born, and she'd have been set for life.

R322 I know, but part of me will always root for the social climber. She made a dazzling catch, ascended to the pantheon of climbers. She could have become genuinely beloved and respected, done some good, and had it all. But she had to fuck it all up in the most malicious way. Not that he wasn’t fully on board. He would have done her bidding, though. Alas, family and service was SO not her thing. It’s such a shame.

You have to admire the blind loyalty people like R317 have for their celeb idols. I suppose in their minds Meghan is playing 4d chess and Hillary is going to jail any day n--- Sorry. I mean, the monarchy will be abolished any day now.

R323 Because part of the reason she hooked Harry was that she played along with his anger, resentment, fantasies of leaving for some wonderful life, and taking out his revenge on the family he blamed for all his problems.

She couldn't very well bond with him, sympathising with him, telling him how much they could do together when they got out of that nasty royal prison, and then turn around once in and say, "Hey, Aitch, maybe this ain't such a bad gig, after all!"

Besides, she had her own issues to confront once in. Her envy of Kate once she got a real taste of how hierarchy works, the boredom of the work of really representing other people instead of herself, and, of course, she'd stupidly antagonised the UK press before she even got her foot in the door.

No, this was two people who made a pact with each other's devils.

The fact that the Queen and Charles and the family grimly tried it on at all tells you how desperate they were to contain what they quickly realised were a couple of grenades.

How'd that work out for you, Ma'am?

"Fetch my coat!" -MM, five minutes after "visiting" with nursing home residents.

You bet your ass she wasn't interested in royal duties.

I miss the simple days of vent stitch malfunctions.

Meghan to nursing home resident, stroking her huge bump: Did you know I'm pregnant?

Old woman: Yes, we read the papers here too.

The KG troll will be here any moment, unless he’s passed out by now.

A male resident had only just started talking to her when she snapped at her assistant to get her coat.

Stupid old people. Don't they know everything is about me?

R331

[quote] A male resident had only just started talking to her when she snapped at her assistant to get her coat.

Is there a clip of this? I must have missed that bit.

I did see the clip where the lady responded to M's pregnancy comment.

Neither strikes me as really into their kids. For Meghan it's money and the title that count. The kids are useful only as tools. For Harry, look at how he was raised. Not with 24/7 parents.

Did she think she was there to promote herself?

Yes R335

I don’t think she cares that her kids won’t have British accents. That’s too Colonial for a Wokeist like her. Better they have California vocal fry to fit in with everyone else in LA.

I don’t think Harry’s plan was to leave the BRF. He didn’t like the press, but his limited royal duties were not taxing. The fact that Harry has attempted to recreate his royal role in America is testimony to this. I think she had trouble adjusting, and convinced him they could “break the internet” if they ventured out on their own.

Meghan Markle is a cunt and has funky feet!

Meghan was always destined to fail. It was obvious what she was from the minute she leaked the relationship. She was never widely liked outside the UK and many expected her to fail. We were insulted but of course proven right.

I think Harry and Meghan's dynamic is like the episode of Cork Master from Frasier.

Mel: Oh, don't you look dashing. I've brought you a nice bottle of Cheval Blanc to impress the wine club. Niles: Oh, this is the perfect occasion for me to bring this wine. We're electing a new president tonight. Mel: Oh? Niles: Yes, and I promised Frasier I'd nominate him. Mel: Well, I'm so happy my rare, expensive bottle will benefit your brother. Niles: Yes, well, ever since the day he joined the wine club, Frasier's dreamed of becoming corkmaster. Mel: I think it's wonderful. I really do: helping your brother win this prestigious post. Niles: Well, Frasier, deserves it. Mel: Because he knows more about wine than you do? Niles: I wouldn't say that. Mel: Well, he's probably been in the club longer? Niles: No, actually, I sponsored his membership. Mel: Oh, well, so you've never wanted that honor for yourself? Niles: Well, I wouldn't say never. Who hasn't nursed the dream of one day becoming corkmaster? Mel: Oh, I'm sure Frasier at least asked if you were interested. Niles: Now that you mention it, no he didn't. Mel: Oh, and you don't resent it? Well, you see, that's why I love you, because most people would. I would, bitterly, but then I'm not you and I don't know what's best for you and... Niles: Do you think I should call him on this? Mel: Please, the last thing I want to do is come between you and your brother. Niles: He knows perfectly well how much I've coveted this post. Mel: Well, I'm sure he just forgot. Niles: No, no, don't defend him. He's always putting himself first and I always let him. Mel: Why, Niles? Niles: Oh, I don't know, I think perhaps it's because... Mel: I'll tell you why: because you can't see yourself for what you really are! You are a powerful, sexy, dynamic, colossus of a man. In other words, perfect corkmaster. Niles:I am, aren't I? Mel: And don't let anyone, anyone ever take that away from you.

So Niles betrays Frasier and when Fraiser finds out he tells Niles Mel is manipulative so Niles stops speaking to him because he thinks Frasier only Mel sees his true potential and really cares for him.

[quote]I don’t think she cares that her kids won’t have British accents. That’s too Colonial for a Wokeist like her.

For some reason this reminds me about her whining about learning the national anthem and "all these hymns." Her acting speaks for itself, but she was able to learn lines before, I never understood her problem.

R342 I took that as her going for “relatable.” Her frau fans would hear that and go, “oh me too, I could never learn all those werdz.”

Perhaps, R343, and as with more tactics, wide of the mark.

R341 is totally right - it's just like that.

R343, fraus are not her fans.

I'm sure Meghan did have trouble remembering the words to the songs. She seems like someone who has difficulty paying attention to anything which doesn't interest her.

Or she pretends to pay attention while really focusing on performing for the cameras. There is a clip where people are talking to M&H while they are by a fence. M has her full focus on the talkers but then you see her flick her fucking coat and realize she was never paying attention. She wasn't even showing yet.

It's clear that Kate the cunt fucked some other guy because how else did THREE children get brown eyes when Kate's are green and William's are blue?

You seem strangely obsessed with childrens’ eye colour, R349. But you ARE strange, aren’t you?

You need to find some hobbies and make some friends.

Actually maybe just focus on the hobbies - more of an attainable goal.

R349... um, that's bonkers. All of those kids look like both their parents, and Charlotte looks like the queen.

'You seem strangely obsessed with childrens’ eye colour, [R349]. But you ARE strange, aren’t you?'

You don't get it, do you? The Klan Grannies say that Meghan is dying Archie's hair red, so I look around and decide to comment on the bizarre fact that the three Cambridge brats all have brown eyes. You're leading the way.

Well R349 IS bonkers, R351. And not the sharpest tool in the shed.

R353, saying another poster is bonkers or unhinged just marks you out as a dummy, someone who can't actually refute what's being said so just resorts to ad hominem attacks.

“Dummy” is one of your favourite words, isn’t it R354? You use it a lot and not just on these threads. It’s your signature insult, isn’t it?

Crazy!

'Crazy!'

And her you go again. You're clearly some weak minded frau who can't explain why 'Catherine' gave birth to three brown-eyed children. Surrogate? Infidelity?

I only have one poster on ignore. So r349, r352, and r354 are the same poster.

Look, KG troll - if the adjective fits…

Stop acting unhinged, bonkers or crazy and you won’t be described as such!

There are no paternity shenanigans in that family, folks. Harry is Charles’s. The Cambridge kids are William’s, and Harry’s kids are his. Boring, I know. Nobody in this day and age of DNA testing is going to try to pull a fast one within the royal lineage.

Logic isn’t exactly one of the KG troll’s core competencies.

Again, KG trolls are fans of William and Kate and not of Harry and Meghan. "Klan" is the giveaway.

I just assumed the photographer boosted the saturation in Photoshop. I do it all the time, whiten teeth, sharpen the eye color, smooth out a few wrinkles. It’s par for the course.

No sane person has suggested that William and Harry's kids aren't theirs. The KGT loves to say outrageous things and then try to get the thread shut down by screaming that OTHER people are saying those things. It's an old and tired tactic.

Let me explain how brown eyes work for KGT. Brown is a dominant gene for ete colour. So, if there are briwn eyes somewhere in the family - not necessarily mother or father - it is very likely that this gene will take precedence in the children. For example, if both parents have blue eyes but there is a brown-eyed grandmother, the likelihood that the child will have brown eyes is about 50 per cent. It's called atavism, look it up.

Princess Charlotte's eyes are gray-blue.

KGT screeches about MM conspiracy theories while starting her own about the Cambridge kids. Pendeja

Charlotte has the steely Windsor eyes.

Charlotte MUST be Queen, or I'll never be happy again!

George does, indeed, have Michael Middleton's brown eyes. Louis has dark hazel green eyes like his mother. Charlotte's are a blue-gray, not surprising when you combine William's blue and Kate's hazel, then throw in the various blue/brown of the grandparents.

George at about the same age as Louis above. His eyes are much darker.

Louis is going to look like a male Kate when he grows up. Charlotte will look like a blend of William and the Queen.

George is a perfect blend of his mother and father.

Wait, could you explain that again? Which ones are fans of Meghan exactly? The Klan Grannies or the Klan Granny Trolls?

The KGT is the one who calls Kate a cunt and anybody on here who disputes that “dummy”, “spaz”, “Klan Granny” and of course “racist”. It is deranged and currently obsessed with the Cambridge kids’ eye colour and Kate’s mother having worked as a flight attendant.

What a cute baby Louis was. I love his goofy little smile.

Anyone else think that Harry is basically becoming Andrew 2.0...well I hope without associating without a pedo. Like Andrew, Harry was very popular in his 20s, seen as a something of a war hero, while the Palace covered his blunders as best they could. Then again like Andrew, marries someone with a bit of "scandalous" past who on paper seems to be a breath of fresh air for the monarchy. Like Fergie and Andrew, Meghan and Harry were initially very popular but then their popularity waned as their sense of entitlement started to show and Meghan (like Fergie) seems to be more interested in the perks then duty of royalty. I think like Andrew, Harry is going to eventually lack purpose and slide into a life of controversy.

Eventually?

Who does Archie resemble?

Archie looks a lot like Harry, but he seems to have Meghan's eyes.

Baby Meghan.

The KGT also reveals its identity through the ongoing attempt to make “Pedrew” happen as well as the regular use of “whore”, “hoe”, “ad hominem” [when feeling extra clever], “frau”, “dumbass”, “spastic”, “Joey Deacon”, “Prancing pony” and is sadly proud that it rides the London tube to their job in the City every day without wearing a mask.

Archie looks like Thomas Markle.

I've never seen the Thomas Markle resemblance. Archie's bone structure is very Windsor. He seems to have his mother's eyes and auburn hair that has elements of both Harry and Meghan's.

What is wrong with M's nose up above? It looks swollen.

Meghan had her nose done in her early 20s.

Thomas M. was obviously so proud of his daughter, on whom he spent the bulk of his money to support through college.

And then she turned on him like a spider.

Meghan as a child. Archie definitely has her eyes.

There is no trace left of that hair, Meg has made sure of that. I wonder if the children have similar texture.

Tina! Bring me the iron!

Meghan was very cute as a young woman. Harry was an attractive young man. The kids will probably be nice-looking adults. What their personalities will be like after having been raised by two spoiled narcissists is anyone's guess.

Archie, bring me the hair iron!

Meghan seemed happier before she changed so many things about herself. You can see it in the pictures.

R374, the Klan Granny Troll doesn’t exist. The only thing that exists are the Klan Grannies who love William and Kate and hate Harry and Meghan. More than one person has called out the racism of some of them. It’s not about criticism of Harry and Meghan it’s when they start claiming about how she wants to be white, and other aspects of her race, that they qualify as Klan Grannies.

R391, see r389.

She is a fashion icon!

I don’t see any resemblance in r379’s side by side. I do see a resemblance to MM’s photo in r380. But children change as they grow.

Here's another nice side by side. And if you think it's shopped, the incident was documented by many other photographers at the same time from multiple angles.

[QUOTE] Princess Charlotte's eyes are gray-blue.

They were when she was two years old but they're brown now.

The latest photo of Charlotte. As you can see, her eyes are now brown.

[QUOTE] The only thing that exists are the Klan Grannies who love William and Kate and hate Harry and Meghan.

Very true. Imagine being so gross and racist that people accuse you of being KKK members.

R381 is the banned poster DEX on another account. He was banned for racism last year. Leader of the Grannies, along with Surviving Angel.

R398 R399 R400 R401

R401 I'm not R381 But I am right here, you sad mentally unbalanced twat.

[quote]is sadly proud that it rides the London tube to their job in the City every day without wearing a mask.

The only thing that no hoper would do in the City would be clean offices.

I can’t keep the Klan Granny shit straight, so find it easier to scroll past and ignore. You can pretty much tell, by the length of the comment, if it’s going to be one.

I wonder how Harry is able to drink himself into a stupor. Is he allowed to visit the polo club bar? Does he just sit around at home and do it? Does he sneak out to the pool house and smoke cigarettes there?

He's really got nobody to talk to day after day except M and her mother, if she's still there. He always struck me as enjoying male comraderie, but there are no comrades around. Probably tries to pal it with his bodyguards instead.

There's the rescue chickens. Granted, they're smarter, but I'm sure they cluck slowly.

Nothing more pitiful than installing a real English pub in your Calfornia mansion then discovering you've nobody there to drink with.

You know, now that Archie goes to preschool, it's the perfect time for Harry to catch up on the many gaps in his education.

Archie's cross-eyed which is why there are never any full-face photos of him. There never will be until he's old enough to be operated on.

Harry has to be desperately missing going down to the pub with his mates.

In that group of pictures (R392), she looks like a nice kid in the first 2 (8th grade and 1st year of high school). The second one she looks very pretty, soft curls around her face.

By the time of picture three (senior year of high school) the hair is straightened and the bitch face is showing.

There are plenty of full-face photos of Archie, including one of the family Christmas cards and a bunch of pictures from Africa!

R411 what teenage girl isn't?

[quote] He always struck me as enjoying male comraderie, but there are no comrades around. Probably tries to pal it with his bodyguards instead.

Harry reminds me of John Lennon c. late 1970s. He grew up and became famous as a very misogynistic young guy who abused substances and saw women as objects, except for his mother, who died and whom he worshipped. Once he met Yoko Ono he changed very quickly and went through a process of reevaluating a lot of his prior beliefs and actions. But because of his nature he held onto a lot of anger and publicly threw that at his associates from his earlier, now detested, lifestyle (mostly Paul). Before his death John has grown into a truly thoughtful and interesting guy who actually learned to enjoy women as human beings, but who was still unduly bitter about his earlier life. Of course, the public blamed Yoko for all of it instead of recognizing John’s change came from within.

I genuinely don’t see it as a bad thing if Harry wanted to change his lifestyle, beliefs, and purpose, and I don’t see it as Meghan’s fault. His problem is that he feels the need to blame his family for his prior behavior that he dislikes.

The wonky eye has probably become wonkier. The poor kid can't be blamed for that, wonky eyes tend to get wonkier throughout the day due to strain, and, in the long term, if you don't get them treated.

Meghan is ashamed of not having a perfect child.

You'd think imperfection wouldn't be a problem, all things considered.

I feel bad for Charlotte. She looks exactly like Lady Sarah Chatto, and bless her heart but that woman certainly hit the wall hard after her 30s.

Charlotte will have been tutored from a young age into making the most of her looks with makeup and hair products by her mother, who has middle-class attitudes about that as compared to the earlier members of the royal family.

R414 Interesting analogy. That would mean Beatles = Royal Family, Meghan= Yoko, Will = Paul, Kate = Linda Eastman. It all sort of fits. Do we think Harry is due for a "lost weekend" separation, like John had when he was running around with May Pang and Harry Nilsson, drunkenly heckling performers with Kotex stuck on his head? Yoko sat it out and eventually he came back.

Yes, R419, I think we may see that (perhaps replace May Pang with booze and strippers generally), although I doubt William will be the one to fetch Harry home and back to Meghan.

How about Pete Davidson as the new Harry Nilsson?

And the Oprah interview was “How Do You Sleep at Night?”

Meghan number one objective is keeping Harry sexually aroused enough so they have sex as often as possible - they used to do it daily but now once a week is the best they can do. Harry is sexually bored with Meghan and avoids having sex with her. This is driving her crazy - she knows hos this is going to end - Harry will soon have a mistress and her sexual control over him will be broken. Mistress is the wrong word, the new woman will probably be a paid prostitute.

I see you KGT R393!

I may be a troll, but i'm no KG, r424.

That's a bizarre bit of fanfiction, R423. There is no way of knowing what the Sussexes' sex life is, and the amount of detail you project is frankly creepy.

I wish we could critique Meghan on her real failing, being a narcissistic climber, and not on her hair texture, facial features, etc. That makes you all sound racist as fuck.

R426 agreed these plenty to criticize them about that's proven. Some of the fanfic and theories about them are Q level retarded.

Exactly, r426. The Klan Grannies are always debating on whether she's black or white or mixed, or whatever, and slamming her for whatever they think she is. There's plenty of other stuff to criticize that's not racist.

The “Klan Granny” vs “Klan Granny Troll” issue -

Someone clever here coined the term “Klan Granny” to describe the posters who come to DL to make openly racist comments about Meghan and who clearly don’t fit in to the site culture generally. This spread across the site because (a) it was a memorable term, and (b) DL posters outside the royal family threads were annoyed that the Klan Grannies would come into unrelated threads and clog them up with weird racist comments.

Then, someone who was peeved at the term “Klan Granny” tried to coin the term “Klan Granny Troll” to describe a user who called another user a Klan Granny. There are many issues with this, but the the chief one is a marketing problem, which is it’s confusing to use essentially the same term to try and describe the opposite thing. All you’re doing is creating a Streisand effect or getting into a “Who’s on First” situation, as happens nearly every time this secondary term is used. If you’re going to try and make “fetch” happen with this, you need to create a distinct term, not just add “troll” onto the end.

The fuck you're not, r425. You protect your aging and racism to anyone who doesn't lick markle ass the way you do. You see nothing but skin color in this ridiculous woman. People are not going to stop gossiping about markle because you run around hysterically screeching about the klan.

[quote] That would mean Beatles = Royal Family, Meghan= Yoko, Will = Paul, Kate = Linda Eastman. It all sort of fits.

Queen = George Martin Omid Scobie = Allen Klein

No such thing happened. Some lonely pathetic loser has spent way too much time and energy into trying to make kg happen. DL (and the internet) is not the real world.

Can we get back to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ Klan Granny

Scobie is more like Murray the K. The Fifth Sussex.

Mean girl Megs.

Hah, Klan Granny at r430 trying to deflect. "I'm not the racist! You're the racist!"

Fergie = Pete Best

Holy shit! That is some dress. Where is the rest of it?

R435 No. Scobie is Derek Taylor.

Those hashtags at R439 are hilarious.

I've just found it easier to block anyone who accuses somebody of being a Klan Granny or Klan Granny troll. I have only had to block a couple of accounts which is telling. Klan Granny isn't going to happen, Gretchen - at least come up with something a little more catchy.

It's exhausting reading that shit all over the threads.

As the Moroccan journalist said “she’s repugnant”.

It's the lunatic Meghan fanfish with her sock puppet accounts who is desperately trying to make that Klan Granny nonsense happen.

Put her and her sock puppet accounts on ignore and all the idiot posts are miraculously gone.

Stop even talking about it.

What's a fanfish? Is it an insult?

Yeah, it's not one person, r444. And please block me. I have no use for anyone in the BRF, which you would see if you actually did your research, but I have a great aversion to racists.

There are a lot of us willing to call out Klan Grannies. Feel free to block me as well.

Back to the topic: he hasn’t left her. Most men don’t leave until they’ve found another woman. When he finds the next woman, he’ll find the courage.

Unfortunately he’s penniless, so Meghan has rendered him worthless to the mercenary golddiggers.

“He’s never gonna leave her.”

R448 thanks for the tip. Unfortunately for you blocking you enables people to see your posting history, which confirms that you are, indeed, the KGT.

Sock puppet accounts - pretty sad and indicative of lunacy.

But you keep on chatting to yourself!

Sock puppet accounts are when one person uses multiple accounts to make it look like multiple different users are communicating, not just one. If you blocked me, you’re seeing posts from my (sole) account, not different ones.

R452, ok, Meghan fancunt.

He's penniless AND meaningless. He used to be famous because of being a senior member of the BRF. When he left, he basically gave up the only thing that used to make him sort of interesting and attractive.

Now he's toast.

'Then, someone who was peeved at the term “Klan Granny” tried to coin the term “Klan Granny Troll” to describe a user who called another user a Klan Granny. There are many issues with this, but the the chief one is a marketing problem, which is it’s confusing to use essentially the same term to try and describe the opposite thing. All you’re doing is creating a Streisand effect or getting into a “Who’s on First” situation, as happens nearly every time this secondary term is used. If you’re going to try and make “fetch” happen with this, you need to create a distinct term, not just add “troll” onto the end.'

Hear, hear! Unfortunately the Klan Grannies don't have the imagination to create a memorable name for people who disapprove of them. They tried with weak insults like "Megastans', "Megaloons' etc.

R455, marry me!

Well of course you say “Hear, hear”, KGT, you’re the KGT!

We all know how proud you are of creating that “internet wide” term. Even if it only meant that you lodged it on urban dictionary.

Now, back you go to agreeing with yourself on this thread.

R457, we all know how hard you tried to get 'Megastan' in the Urban Dictionary, but you failed because it's run by Gen Zs who are the polar opposite of racists and who like Meghan.

R456 being a perfect example - you can’t marry yourself, you dizzy queen.

R459, we don't say you and the rest of the Klan Grannies are running sock puppets (except for Dex, who has to because he's been banned).

Why can't you understand that MULTIPLE gay men don't enjoy this incessant racist bitching about an American woman who dared to leave the BRF?? Were you under the impression that you and your kin would be welcome here? That gay men would back your craven worship of a deeply homophobic institution? That only ONE person would speak out against you?

I suspect that poster is the Pet Troll, because she always goes from 0 to 60 and lashes out calling people cunts whenever they say she’s a Klan Granny. So her attitude is probably based on accusing others of things she does herself.

I am a gay man you halfwit R460.

If DL knew how to block IP addresses, I suspect a lot of the sturm und drang in these threads would vanish.

With legs wide open...

She's airing the cooch. At least this time not in someone's face.

Are you talking about the time she flashed her cooch at Serena's husband? Or when she pulled a Basic Instinct on stage?

Whoops, i mistakenly clicked W&W instead of BLOCK on one of the recent Klan Granny accuser posts, so please ignore one of the 2 likes. One was the author and the other was me clicking by mistake.

Huh? R467. Please repeat?

Both Meghan and Harry have hit the wall hard. Neither was ever very attractive.

[quote]With legs wide open...

She was practising her squats. She was gonna be on Ellen, you know.

The Klan Grannies are so desperate for the dopamine hit of hating Meghan that they keep rehashing the same tired comments over and over because they have no new material.

The holiday photo didn't make much of an impact.

I fully expect some kind of stunt on Kate's birthday.

They waited too long. People wanted to see Lili in July--by December, the world had moved on. A good clear picture of her would raise a little interest, but not much. Without the hospital steps picture and the Royal christening and the picture with the Queen, she's just another celebrity baby.

The fact that both children's faces were obscured in the photo only feeds gossip about what they look like. Archie had a definite squint when he was a baby. Does he still?

The way William and Kate handle things is smart. They release good, clear pictures of the kids on their birthdays, and the kids are occasionally photographed at events. That satisfies the public's interest in how the children are growing, and then everyone moves along. These occluded glimpses that the Sussexes give just feed speculation--which is perhaps what they want.

I kind of get Oedipus vibes with Harry's attitude towards Meghan. Meghan seems like she is both his lover and his mother.

R376, he is much more like Edward, who abdicated. Wallace Simpson is like Meghan, went after him, trapped him and he gave up the throne to be with her. She led him around by the nose, too. The difference is that he got a huge allowance as the Duke of Windsor and they lived in luxury until their deaths. Of course, he had to stay out of England, because he was essentially a traitor prior to and in the early part of WWII for fraternizing with Hitler and other top Nazis both in Germany and as governor of Jamaica.

Big difference between Wallis and the latest one. Wallis kept her mouth shut. Different times. Different games.

I don’t think they’re like Edward and Wallis at all, except by circumstance. Edward was a strange cipher of a person.

He received the allowance and George VI had to purchase back Balmoral and Sandringham from his brother who had inherited the properties as the oldest son. They didn't see automatically revert to the second son. So he was pretty flush with cash upon leaving or shortly afterwards. But didn't the couple still have money problems due to profligate spending? And that was back when security didn't cost a fortune.

Edward always cried poor, but he had plenty of money. He shook down his brother for every cent possible until their mother and George's wife put a stop to it.

Yes, they spent extraordinary sums of money and a lot of effort keeping up a pretense that everyone must treat them like monarchs. They were objects of fun because of it and seemed to slowly wizen away together in their shared delusion, just the two of them. I don’t think Harry and Meghan will follow that path because the kids put them in a different position.

I don’t think Wallis really wanted to marry him, certainly not to the extent that he had to abdicate. She was fine being his mistress.

Edward was fairly broken as Harry is broken. Wallace wanted security (money) and privilege and Meghan wanted that as well. When Wallace manipulated Edward into marrying her, society was different. Edward gave up the throne, so if the marriage didn't work, it would have been her fault regardless of the facts. She would have been ruined. Society would have rejected her and it is unclear what would have happened financially, but it would not have been good for her. She did whatever it took to keep him happy. I understand later on she procured people to satisfy whatever his proclivities were, much like G. Maxwell did for Epstein, while maintaining a relationship. She definitely wanted the marriage, though, because she was not getting any younger and needed the financial security.

Meghan was able to manipulate Harry, because he was a mess as well. He was not doing a good job with his responsibilities. For example, Philip had given him one of his favorite military charities to handle after he became too old. Harry pretty much blew it off, not showing up for events, not visiting. It was a huge letdown after the decades that Philip had sponsored it. Harry did very little work at all. I think William and Kate would have brought him along helping with responsibilities, but after Meghan got involved, things drifted apart. Harry never came to grips with his responsibilities.

I thought it was highly relevant that Meghan was interested in foreign service. She did some sort of internship at an embassy when she was at Northwestern. She even took the foreign service exam later, but failed it. I suspect southern California spoiled brat was not something valued by the service, nor did she have the intellect. It occurred to me that she saw the Ambassador position and thought, "oh, I'd like to do THAT" as it looked so glamorous and important. She very likely thought the same thing with the BRF. She could marry Harry and go right to the top. But she didn't understand the political nature of things. Not being English that's understandable. She became too demanding too soon and was not ready for the subtle but very tough competition to be part of that group if you weren't born into it. .

If marriage ends for the Harkles, will Meghan be blamed and, if so, will it matter? Society and wealth are a lot more spread out than the tighter knit small American/European class of the past. Will the facts matter unless they are egregious like Harry beating his children? Meghan still doesn't have friends, because it appears she has never been one. Wallace had alliances and was tough enough to make things work Meghan doesn't seem to have much toughness either, except that veneer.

Wallis (not Wallace) really didn’t have alliances beyond her husband. Both were off-putting to others—purposely, trying so hard to maintain some sort of reigned royal remove—but Wallis especially was known to be an intolerably stone-cold bitch, as well as a bigoted Nazi. They really don’t have much in common at all with Harry and Meghan, who are mockable for different mistakes and reasons.

(Harry seems not broken but rather to be having a temper tantrum.)

[quote]Big difference between Wallis and the latest one.

Wallis could dress.

Someone went on Lady Klanin Campbell's you tube and started calling her a Klan Granny.

A DJ pranking her would be awesome. I mean, after Ellen what's the worst that could happen?

Oh wow, R487! That term really is “internet wide” - you must be so proud.

Pelosi clap for the Klan Granny Troll!

Harry and Meghan are already there. No one even remembers they have kids most of the time. Harry's kids are of no interest, especially because of who their mother is.

They are a poor man's Wallis and Edward.

That someone of course being you, KGT R487.

MM thinks her kids are more important than the Cambridge kids, which she dislikes, because H was the Queen's "favorite." She will not relent until the kids are given "proper" titles.

Meghan reminds me of those miserable cunts that win the big lotto and yet somehow blow it all in a few years. The publicity in the UK would have died down. All she had to do was control her temper, be nice to the staff, and smile for the cameras.

If she hadn't met Harry she would still be struggling to find acting or cooking gigs in Toronto, sucking Cory's hog and messaging richer, more famous men for dates on social media like she did with Matt Cardle.

I don't think Meg would ever allow herself to be single or without a host. Hell, I think if Ellen had asked her to divorce H and pair up, she would have jumped at the chance. After all, Ellen is rich.

[quote] win the big lotto and yet somehow blow it all in a few years.

Didn't her father literally do that?

[quote] I don't think Meg would ever allow herself to be single or without a host.

Well put, R496. Markle is a parasite who feeds on her hosts: whether former lovers, family, in-laws, friends, former colleagues (Gina Crowne comes to mind), or celebrity acquaintances.

She feeds, extracts and then dumps. Just like a parasite.

Repulsive.

Realtor.com was throwing some shade at the Markles. They pointed out it would be unlikely they could make a lot of money on the sale of their house as the house needs updating. And then they suggested a couple of mansions in Montecito that might be more to their taste: both of them costing more than $29 million.

Actually, Wallis and Edward did have some supporters, especially amongst the cafe society set. Surprisingly, Churchill thought Edward should be allowed to marry the woman of his choice. His wife, Clemmie, disagreed. After the Yorks took over and the storm clouds of ear rolled ever closer, Churchill wrote to his wife that she'd been right, as he watched how superbly the Yorks handled themselves.

The great families of the landed aristocracy, like the Cecils and Percyslined up behind Queen Mary and the Yorks; cafe society, like Chips Channon and Emerald Cunard, supported Edward.

I adored Channon and his diaries, but it has to be said that at this juncture in time, he was on the wrong side of history every time. He worshipped Chamberlain, and despised Churchill, too.

^*stormclouds of war (not ear).

Fucking autocorrect.

My old Aunties just loved Wallis Simpson. Princess Grace too. Even the American who married the then King of Bhutan. An American marrying into a royal family really excites the American media and some American women with social inferiority complexes. So Meghan Markle and her fans are par for the course.

You mean Sikkim.

Still nothing to substantiate the completely delusional claim that started this thread….

R504, read the title. OP is asking if it’s a rumor or not. It’s ALL speculation.

Until Archewell declares it, of course.

[quote] read the title. OP is asking if it’s a rumor or not. It’s ALL speculation.

R504 has confirmed what we know to be true, R505.

Megstans are illiterate, ignorant and delusional.

I was listening to a podcast that quoted Meghan on her suicidal thoughts during first pregnancy. What she said was so dramatic—she would have killed herself and unborn baby but didn’t because Harry would have to deal with another woman in his life who died suddenly.

I didn’t buy it for a minute. Instead, seemed like manipulation on the highest level. I don’t doubt that she was panicked by the bad press and sour feelings from royal family, but the suicide narrative certainly was designed to provoke Harry and enmesh him even more deeply.

Even if it was true, it was a thoughtless thing to say. The child will read it some day. Thoughtless and selfish. And telling. It's not like she blurted it out in the moment. She made a deliberate decision.

R506 I think her fans are dumb but it's obviously a bullshit rumor. If OP had to ask, they're an idiot.

I don't believe it for a second. Malignant narcissists are known for their use of suicide threats for manipulation. Meghan is the very last person I can imagine feeling suicidal. It was an ugly thing to say. A slap in the face of all genuinely depressed and suicidal people out there. IMO it was the ugliest thing she's ever done.

Meghan Markle has a HUGE anus.

Pregnant women are NOT suicidal. They may be after the kid is born but not during the pregnancy. Too many hormones regulating everything.

She copied that off Princess Di's melodramatic fake suicide attempt when she was pregnant with William and Charles was ignoring her. Meghan must have just watched that episode of The Crown.