She’s Guilty! Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty

Yeeeeeeeesssssssss.

Gizz! Gizz! Gizz!

Unimaginable a few years ago. Some little bit of justice.

Pimpette.

Burn in hell, bitch!

Guilty on 5 of 6 counts. Just like Jussie.

Bye bitch

I did not expect this result. I am thrilled.

THRILLED!

[quote] Guilty on 5 of 6 counts. Just like Jussie.

Equivalent. Definitely.

Wait, what did she do again?

Hahahahahaha ...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Watch out for suicide, Ghislaine!

Much respect to the four women who were brave enough to give their testimony. It could not have been easy for them.

I hope she now names names.

Happy New Year Prince Andrew.

Jizz-lane, you in danger, gurl!

She will get a suspended sentence.

DJT is wabbling in his hiked up shoes!

Spill it, Jizz.

#freeghislane

Don’t believe those liars!!!

Guilty of five counts of sex trafficking of children.

She’s looking at hard time R16.

What’s the difference between conspiracy and enticement?

She'll be okay. Within 30 days of imprisonment she'll go bull dyke and get all the sex she wants.

Burn baby burn!

She been found guilty of a federal crime. Won't be seeing her for a long time.

My understanding is that pedos don't fare well in prison.

Wonder if that applies to women as well.

Children or teenagers?

(I haven't been paying attention)

She’s gonna get a broomstick shoved up her cunt in the big house, or spend the next several years with her head buried in some obese criminal’s hairy vagina.

She's a superior-acting cunt, also, by the looks of her. She will not fare well in prison, no.

I will start the GoFundMe to pay to get your Google repaired R26.

Guilty on 5 out of 6 charges....what was the 6th charge for which she was found NOT guilty?

[quote] what was the 6th charge for which she was found NOT guilty?

She was found not guilty on Count Two

MSNBC doesn't seem to care much. Is Nicole Wallace pre-taped, no breaking news from her.

Wallace did a whole piece on it. I saw it.

Wallace announced the verdict live, and she had Joyce Vance give an extensive explanation.

[quote] My understanding is that pedos don't fare well in prison.

Even if it did she is not a pedophile you nitwit. Try reading up on the subject before you show your ignorance. Do you even know what "prepubescent" means?

R35 god, these dumb Fraus think fucking anyone under 30 is pedo territory

Speaking of MSNBC. No doubt Ari Melber will have his "experts" Jason Johnson and Maya Rudolph on tonight, who will predict this is the beginning of the end for Trump, as they have collectively done thousands of times previously.

Thanks so fucking much for explaining the difference between raping children and raping adolescents, Pedo Apologist Troll.

Don't you have a NAMBLA meeting you're late for?

Has Susan Dey commented?

I was despairing of her ever having to pay for her shit. People get away with murder these days.

[quote]Speaking of MSNBC. No doubt Ari Melber will have his "experts" Jason Johnson and Maya Rudolph on tonight, who will predict this is the beginning of the end for Trump, as they have collectively done thousands of times previously.

I, for one, would like to hear Maya Rudolph's opinion.

R35, There's denotation, and then there's the law.

Ms. Maxwell was judged in a court, not in a library.

R38 what a stupid cunt you are. No one is defending her. You just shouldn’t throw that word around because it’s becoming a meaningless accusation & frivolously used slur to people. It should be reserved for the worst and the true definition of it. If anyone is doing a disservice to children, it’s you. Ghislaine is a lot of things, a Pedo she is not.

R39, She's going to, on tonight's very special "Larry King Live!" Other guests will be Pia, Lea, Mia, and Sia, to discuss the Transgender change of Jazz singer Cleo Laine and what it will mean in jail.

The phone lines are open. Go ahead, Bayonne!

She molested 14 year old girls. She’s a pedo

It is my sincere hope that anybody who feels the need to scold me about ignoring the nuanced differences between fucking an eight year old and fucking a 14 year old is being monitored by the FBI and/or Interpol.

They kept saying she was on trial for Epstein's crimes; that the girls' memories were foggy; that they already got jackpot$ in other trials; that it was all she said/she said...

I thought she would walk.

What makes people feel they can do things like this and never be found out? Currently the Secret Service is investigating $100 billion in illegal payouts of Covid Relief money. Who would have the gall to file a false claim?

R45 no, that’s not the definition. No one is defending what she did, it is simply not the dictionary definition. How dense are you? What did your Daddy to you? You seem to be projecting a lot here.

[quote] She will get a suspended sentence.

It’s SUSPENDER sentence, silly.

Stupid, stupid woman.

She had it all and threw it away, for what?

And you seem to think it’s okay for underage teenagers to be molested by a woman. Freak

R51 are you off your meds? No one said that. What they did was horrible.

She could reduce her sentence if she agreed to cooperate against bigger fish. This is a very worrying situation for certain people. Powerful people. Connected people.

R16 - “ She will get a suspended sentence”

You should be hung by your suspenders, Ms. Maxwell. Bye, cunt.

[quote] She could reduce her sentence if she agreed to cooperate against bigger fish. This is a very worrying situation for certain people. Powerful people. Connected people.

Here's a creepy three and a half minutes for you...

The BBC decided to have a legal expert weigh in on the verdict, and so they brought in...

...wait for it...

Alan Dershowitz.

Who appears to be trolling this thread as we speak.

I wish her the best.

Is an accessory to a criminal act equally as guilty as the person committing the criminal act?

Or half as guilty?

I honestly thought you were joking R56 so I checked Twitter. Sadly, you weren’t. My apologies for doubting you.

WTF are they thinking having this crusty, perverted troll on as a “constitutional expert”? He was most likely pantless.

I’m not sure FOX News would sink this low.

Will the queen have her killed too? Andrew so fucked!

R2 is thinking about jizz again

Not only is she guilty, she's transformed into Gilbert Gottfried in a too large French beret.

She probably won't be sent to one of the cushy federal pens, but to one of the super max pens.

She's probably too afraid to start spilling her guts about all the bigwigs they pimped those girls out to because she might end up just like Epstein.

Wonder if Qanon has commented yet.

I mean, they're so fucking concerned about child trafficking and all.

Right but somehow they think Trump (who was friends with Epstein and Ghoulaine) is innocent.

She’s not going to say a word against anyone.

Her only chance now is a POTUS pardon, which she will have to buy. It won't be cheap.

You seem to have forgotten Trump's no longer in office. And no way he'd do it if he were. Bad optics considering his history and photo ops with the percy pair.

I don't think her fellow inmates will care very much about the distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia, but do continue to argue about the distinction.

Maxie was all about good times. And she made sure Jeffrey and I had enough girls each time. Beautiful girls. Girls like you've never seen. You've never seen so many girls. Thanks Maxie, you're the best! I wish you well.

And, within weeks hopefully, we will never need to hear about or see these two assholes and their photos in the news anymore. Fucking enough of their two mugs.

If she were smart she’d release a public statement with all the names that committed crimes and say “if I die start looking there”

[quote] She had it all and threw it away, for what?

She was raised very rich by a crooked father who had no character.

When her father died, she was suddenly, and to her surprise, left without money (or character of her own).

Epstein had the money, but craved the kind of social connections Ghislaine had built from her childhood.

And so Ghislaine made a Devil’s bargain.

Good riddance. She appears to be an exceptionally haughty cunt.

After her dad "mysteriously" died, she had a chance for a do-over in NYC. She failed to take advantage of that opportunity and still caroused with scum.

[quote] haughty

We queens cannot bear haughtiness. We have had sufficient.

[quote]You seem to have forgotten Trump's no longer in office. And no way he'd do it if he were. Bad optics considering his history and photo ops with the percy pair.

Two words: Marc Rich.

Did you think people would forget?

"I’m not sure FOX News would sink this low."

Born yesterday, dear?

Brits, what has happened to the BBC?

When I lived in England years ago, the BBC used to be considered decent journalism.

They seemed to have lost the plot now, no?

The BBC has lost the plot. They seem to think they are the news!

[QUOTE] Thanks so fucking much for explaining the difference between raping children and raping adolescents, Pedo Apologist Troll. Don't you have a NAMBLA meeting you're late for?

Well said! The people who defend Maxwell and Andrew are the same racist trolls who bitch about Meghan Markle day and night.

Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty by NY Jury. Prosecutors Should Now Explore Cooperation.

BEST: Sarah Jessica Parker as Seabuscuit

WORST: Sarah Jessica Parker as Secretariet

You lost, sweetie R83?

Maxwell has been found guilty of sex trafficking children, so Prince Pedo will now be found guilty of having sex with sex trafficked children. Mummy's money can't save him now. I hope Andrew dies in prison.

I would have guessed that she was already given the chance to plead guilty and get a reduced sentence in exchange for providing information to the FBI, and that she said no and that's why her case went to trial.

She would also have to provide evidence that prosecutors could actually use, not just her word. She's a convicted sex trafficker now, her word doesn't count for shit.

If she had anything concrete, she would never have gone to trial. They would have plead her out and gone after the johns.

R87 she knew if she wanted to stay alive she couldn’t name names.

"Maxwell was convicted of conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors and sex trafficking of minors, the last of which carries a statutory maximum of 40 years in prison.

She was acquitted of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts."

You can buy extra sheets in the commissary, Jizzie! I left you some money on your account to help.

See you soon!

Love Jeffery

P.S. It’s best to tie the knots first, then slip around your neck

True Love Is...

Finishing each other's sentences.

[quote]One of Donald Trump’s girlfriends, Anouska De Georgiou, was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein.

[quote]Ghislaine Maxwell introduced her to Trump.

[quote] her word doesn't count for shit.

The taxpayers will be paying for toilets from now on.

[quote]Sing girl… SING!!!!

What is her incentive to name names now that she’s already been found guilty? Reduced sentence? Seems late.

I want her to shit in a room of 5 other women

Don't you walk away from me you chalk-faced whore.

R96 The taxpayers will be paying for all that.

What’s the difference between conspiracy and enticement?

Now that Jizzy is guilty they're going to start prosecuting other people in this same circle based off of her convictions. There were other groomers involved.

R99 Not a lawyer but from how I understood it, enticement is about offering something to the victim to lure them e.g. gifts, a model job, education. Conspiracy is agreeing to someone else doing it and being in on it.

In Jane's case, she was offered money and contacts to get acting jobs, but I'm guessing that the jury didn't see evidence of Ghislaine herself doing it? I read Virginia's memoir and she says that right after Jeffrey fucked her and Jane, they flew to a production studio in LA where they had a meeting with Jane's agent and a producer for the soap she went on to act in for over 10 years. So that would be an example of how Epstein enticed Jane to travel for sex.

R100 Sarah Kellen is a name that keeps coming up but do they have the will to? I am thinking probably not..

R101 Also a woman named Rachel Chandler, who I think may have been in custody a while already? We'll never hear about other prosecutions, regardless.

I am glad she's guilty, because she's a horrible person who did horrible things and because she has a first name that I can't pronounce. The sad thing is that there are so many people who participated in Epstein's perversion, and they will never go to jail. Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, Trump?

[quote] because she has a first name that I can't pronounce.

And because she sounds French. And I hate French.

She'd better get at least 110 years in Club Fed.

Let's hope she ends up pounding rocks for pounding cocks in into minors.

The time to sing was earlier. Doubtful anything she says now will carry weight. She's fucked.

I guess Trump might pardon her in 2025.

R26, pedo

But…but…what about all the men who stuck their dicks in these lolitas? Nothing for them, not even a mention of their name? Not cool.

[quote] guess Trump might pardon her in 2025.

I don't think the chances of her making it to 2025 are good

Agreed, R79. The Beeb used to have really good stuff in terms of documentaries etc -- and they did top notch journalism. No idea what happened but they're in danger of turning into a laughing stock with the weird stuff they've been into as of late.

Trump wished her well LOL

I definitely think she's guilty but I also think she's taking the fall for very powerful men. She's the sacrificial lamb while Trump, Andrew and, yes, Clinton get away with it.

R172 Well since there’s the guilt then the fall doesn’t matter, does it?

It matters if these guys just get to continue on as before. That's the point. She's not the only one who belongs in prison but she will be.

Andrew, a Blood Prince, will never spend a day in prison. He may have a terrible accident. Fatal. I'm thinking those small planes he favors or a helicopter, or possibly drowning? Maybe he'll fall of a boat. It is possible he may take his own life...with a little assistance. He always needs assistance... Now this was supposed to happen after Mummy dies, but we may have to move it up a bit.

Nobody is going to hurt her in prison. Susan Smith sent her own two precious babies to their deaths in a purposefully submerged car. She's done fine in prison. And she's in a state prison. She was even caught fucking one of the male guards.

Federal prisons are a great deal different from state prisons. Federal prisons are more like college dorms. The closest Federal prison to me doesn't even have a wall or fence around it. Just some very tall hedges.

Maxwell didn't kill anyone or even physically mistreat anyone, and (as far as we know) neither did Epstein or any of the men they hooked teenage girls up with. From what I've read I get the feeling they wooed these girls and probably treated them quite well to get them to submit. They knew what they were doing. It doesn't appear any of these men were the types who were into violently raping females. Clearly that doesn't excuse what they ultimately did, but the way they did things will have a lot to do with the kind of sentence she receives. She's rich and she'll do just fine in prison. Considering the facts of the case I wouldn't be surprised if she receives a sentence that will allow her to get out one day with plenty of life left to live.

But I don't agree that she won't sing if she knows something that will get her a lighter sentence. I believe at some point she'll sing like a canary.

Maybe she's afraid if she sings she'll be dead soon.

Susan Smith got knocked up in prison by a guard.

She's dead if she sings. Maybe even is she doesn't. Too bad the rich daddies aren't in for more scrutiny. Bill Gates wife dump him over this shit storm.

R116 Look at you qualifying rape. You sick motherfucker. Whoopi Goldberg? Just shut your fucking mouth.

I'd love it if her information is good enough that they'd put her in the witness protection program. Frankly, if she could just bring down Trump that would be good enough for me to want her sentence commuted. I don't really care about the other men suspected of tapping that young tail on Epstein Island. They did what most powerful men of great wealth do.

If we imprisoned every corporate bigwig or celebrity who has ever done something like this we'd have to build new prisons to house them all.

R116, there are myriad things you're plain wrong about:

"Maxwell didn't ... physically mistreat anyone..." Yes, she did. She participated in having sex with a couple of these underage victims. That's physical mistreatment as defined by law.

"and (as far as we know) neither did Epstein or any of the men they hooked teenage girls up with." They had sex with underage girls, which, again, is a crime. It's rape, in fact, when they're underage.

"From what I've read I get the feeling they wooed these girls and probably treated them quite well..." Those are still serious crimes.

"It doesn't appear any of these men were the types who were into violently raping females. " It doesn't have to be "violent rape" to be a crime.

"Clearly that doesn't excuse what they ultimately did..." Yet that's exactly what you're doing--you're pooh-poohing and excusing all these crimes.

"She's rich and she'll do just fine in prison." Who thrives in prison?

"Considering the facts of the case I wouldn't be surprised if she receives a sentence that will allow her to get out one day with plenty of life left to live." She'll be in for at least 20 years minimum, which will make her 80. That's plenty of life left to live?

"Considering the facts of the case..." R116, youhaven't considered the facts of the case. Not one bit have you. Certainly not with regard to what are considered indisputable crimes.

[quote] [R116] Look at you qualifying rape. You sick motherfucker. Whoopi Goldberg? Just shut your fucking mouth.

Fuck off you hysterical halfwit. Clearly you failed reading comprehension.

It is, in fact, qualifying rape, R124:

"Maxwell didn't ... even physically mistreat anyone" That's qualifying rape.

" neither did Epstein or any of the men they hooked teenage girls up with." That's qualifying rape.

"From what I've read I get the feeling they wooed these girls and probably treated them quite well to get them to submit." That's ignoring the fact that luring and enticement of minors to traffic them for sex are both crimes.

"It doesn't appear any of these men were the types who were into violently raping females..." That's qualifying rape in a big way.

Who, exactly, needs reading comprehension lessons? Looking at you, R124.

Sorry, that was supposed to be "Not R120" in the sign-off.

BBC's official response to the Dershowitz appearance: "whoopsiedoodle!"

The same person lashing out at people not making a distinction between fucking an eight year old and fucking a fourteen year old lashes out at implications that Epstein and Maxwell raped underaged girls.

What we call a "tell".

There is no distinction in the eyes of the law between having sex with an 8-year-old or having sex with a 14-year-old. Sex with any underage person is rape in the eyes of the law. No distinction needs to be drawn.

As for Dershowitz, how did he even make it onto the air for the BBC to have to apologize after the fact? He was accused by one of the victims, and he proceeded to go on TV and trash her in the name of what, exactly? Analysis of the trial? It's outrageous. The BBC should be held accountable by whatever means necessary in giving air time to someone who was so clearly tainted by this case.

"From what I've read I get the feeling they wooed these girls"

R116, "wooed" is another word for "entice" and "lure," both of which are crimes.

Annie Farmer

I’m a woman and I’d like to know what type of emotional dysfunction led to her doing this for Epstein. I suppose the simplest explanation is that he was funding her lifestyle.

Honestly find her merry participation in his perversion fascinating.

I haven’t followed this story closely, but from what I’ve read, no one who associated with these two has plausible deniability that they were unaware of what was going on in that mansion/island. Not Clinton, Trump, Gates, Andrew, etc.

Probably all the big shots at the BBC are off for the festive season, but still, what were they thinking?

And if I were Dershowitz, I’d be staying far, FAR away from this case.

Where will Maxwell go to prison?

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I'd like to know how a math teacher accumulates a $500 million fortune. Oh wait, he was fucking a closeted bra 'n panties magnate.

What's Barr up to these days?

[quote]They would have plead her out

Oh, dear!

Epstein reminds me of an exaggerated version of those friends in high school and college whose sole goal in their life was to get laid anywhere they went. School, work, grocery store...every where is just another opportunity to get laid and learning, getting paid and buying food to eat is just besides the point. Where did this dude ever have to time to work or schmooze when it seems there was just always a plan in the works to get him someone young to abuse? It's insane. I think she was more smitten with him than he was with her but she was willing to play his reindeer games so he probably fucked her here and there to keep her happy.

Just checked out Dershowitz's Twitter, you can tell he is nervous.

Constant tweets about the BBC only to take a short break to call the late Bishop Tutu an "anti-Semitic bigot."

It is going to be so awesome watching this lowlife piece of shit rot in prison...or take himself out.

Tick tock scumbag...

Obviously the BBC is having staffing issues, but the audacity and contemptuous chutzpah of Dershowitz to actually put his face on camera is bone-chilling.

[quote] those friends in high school and college whose sole goal in their life was to get laid anywhere they went. School, work, grocery store...every where is just another opportunity to get laid

Hey! I represent that remark.

Interesting R142.

Here are some other tidbits from the linked Twitter account

[quote] Here’s Maxwell chatting it up with friend Steve Schwarzman, former Trump advisor and owner of Motel6 which has been designated the number one human trafficking hotel in the US by the human trafficking Institute.

[quote] You might be interested in the press conference when the SDNY arrested Epstein in a sting so secretive not even other FBI agents knew. Look at what they found in the raid and where are all those photos? Weren't there tapes?

Dershowitz is rumored to be senile.

R124 is a rapist and pedo apologist. Fuck off out of here.

I haven’t read all the posts from all the threads, but has anyone speculated who Jane is? An actress on a long running soap with piercing blue eyes.

Can she share a cell with me?

I'm sure my good friend John Waters would approve!

R148 It's very easy to find out who she is because they practically doxxed her in court. Her father was a composer who died of leukaemia - that's what they said in court and the media reported it. So then I simply googled ~ soap actress father died leukaemia ~ lo and behold her IMDB came up straight away, and she matched the reports of how she looks. I hadn't heard of her before so she isn't super famous or anything like that. I don't wanna name her here since DL is searchable but it was very easy for me to find out.

Where’s that pervo motherfucker who said Jeff and Ghislaine didn’t hurt the kids? Hopefully he’s in hell.

A few of the rapist defenders are bloviating on a Prince Andrew thread currently, including some creature who goes by "Dutchie."

[quote] some creature who goes by "Dutchie."

Did he earn that sobriquet by his nasty habits in bed with sheets and farts?

R148 Also, if you want to know who 'Kate' is, oddly enough she previously has spoken about what Epstein did to her under her real name.

LOL...

No. Ghislaine would be working for FOX NEWS getting the girls to sign NDAs, like they always do.

The ones in a tizzy about making sure anything involving anyone under 18 is hysterically labeled as “PEDO”, even though a dictionary will tell you it is incorrect and any psychiatrist will tell you the pathology is completely different, obviously need to work out what their daddy to them, to stop projecting, and on their lack of respect for definitions.

Majority of molestations happen in the home at the hands of relatives. This topic is such catnip for in-denial incest survivors who want to project their shame onto outside parties. It’s how Qanon is picking up Republican mommies with Daddy issues like a magnet. The issue for us gay men is there is a pretty fast overlap between the hysteria here and “they’re recruiting our children!”

Get help, Cunts.

R157 WTF. You’re at the wrong board. You’re not welcome here.

I still wanna know how this asshole ended up with nearly $600 million dollars? Did he compromise someone, Wexner? And he just over paid him intentionally to keep him quiet or to keep Epstein from creating problems for him publicly?

I really wanna know how this "math teacher" accumulated hundreds of millions of dollars?

I'm sure the whole thing was shady as fuck!

R157, Tell it to the judge.

Hold me mummy. I'm scared.

Have they set a date for her sentencing yet?

What do ya'll make of her quickie "marriage" to Scott Borgerson? Apparently, they officially "broke up" in a heated phone call before her sentence or trial started, or something like that. Why did they get married? DM claims they were really in love .. she got close to his kids.. Some thought she was hiding all of her money with him. Whatever it was, sounds officially over. He's now dating some yoga instructor and hasn't attended any of the trial. It all sounds like BS.

I read that her sentencing won't be for another 4 months or so.

She'll appeal and will be in jail while awaiting the outcome of her appeal (the odds of which are very much against her). Not sure if her sentencing would follow the appeal process or can happen during it.

So many Daddyfucking Fraus here. This is a gay board, go to Mommy Chat.

Maxwell married in 2016 after 3 years of dating. Not a quickly marriage. This guy must have mommy issues.

If Epstein hadn't been murdered in jail they would have never gone after Maxwell. Now they've dropped charges against the "sleeping guards". Lol.

Sure, they would have gone after her, as an accessory, R168. They wouldn't have left her off the hook. As it is, she was convicted for crimes she committed--not that he committed without her help.

[quote]Hold me mummy. I'm scared.

Have I taught you nothing? Hold yourself!

She would have turned state's witness or informer to avoid prosecution.

Was Jeffrey Epstein good in bed though or was he just showing off for the girls? Did he even get it Up? Will naked pics of him surface? For all the hoopla about this, I want to see that dick. Yes, I'm a suck mofo.

Now that's she convicted, can his victims sue her in civil court? I don't want her scheming husband to get all the money either.

R173 Alleged victims of Ghislaine Maxwell cannot now begin seeking compensation from her estate if they received a payout from the Epstein Victim Compensation Fund (which includes 135 women and all four accusers in her trial). This was a clause in the agreement.

R172 Best I can find is this

His penis looks something like this.

He's the type who would get penis enhancement surgery. Sex was everything to him.

BBC Radio 4 ran an interview with a Maxwell brother decrying his sister’s innocence.

An improvement on Dersho, I guess.

Was he good at sex? I would say no, based on what I've heard the victims say happened. Usually required them to massage him - feet, body, before finishing him off. BJs which Ghislaine told 'Kate' was 'a lot of work for her' and that was why she wanted to recruit other women. Sometimes penetration. He would do things like pull them on his lap and masturbate. He used sex toys on them and got pleasure out of it being 'painful' - 'Jane' says that he used back massagers as a sex toy on her which certainly would be painful.

All in all, it was sex that was about his pleasure with little to no concern for theirs, which I wouldn't call 'good sex'. They said that there was no emotional attachment - he encouraged them to have other boyfriends and he was fine with them using drugs as long as it wasn't on his planes or at his places. Virginia wrote in her memoir that she kept popping Xanax to get through the sex. 'Carolyn' said that she used drugs and alcohol similarly to black it out.

Epstein mostly fapped during these encounters. Maybe he was afraid of potential pregnancies. No, he wasn't into pain. Back massagers are vibrators. It was common to have the girls sit on his face while he fapped Yes, I want to see the tapes

R180 From what I've read he was into pain. More than one woman has talked about how he enjoyed hurting them. I read Virginia's memoir and she talks about a woman called Rina Oh who "loved bondage, whipping, hitting and cutting her sex partner with little sharp knives until they subdued (sic) to her punishment in agonizing pain." She says that Epstein was “absurdly taken” with seeing Oh use whips and toys on Roberts, and rented an apartment for Oh.

Here's some more fuller quote about Rina Oh:

[quote]All I knew was that Jeffrey was absurdly taking into the appeal of watching us two interact, often with her acting as my mistress who would fondle me with an insurmountable amount of whips and toys. Then she would love to finish off every session by hitting me across my face with a hard blow from the back of her hand and sneering over my curled up body showing Jeffrey her ability to make others surrender to her extreme force.

R182, doesn't necessarily sound like the story of someone who's being "trafficked".

R183 you must be a real dumbass then. There's nothing about being whipped, cut, and hit across the face that sounds good unless the person is personally into it, which she makes clear she wasn't.

Ghislaine's a Maxwell r156, no way she'd work for her father's rival.

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I STILL don't know....what exactly has happened concerning Epstein's death? Is everyone simply ignoring it? "Just one of those things"? Is there a single person alive who doesn't think he was murdered???

What are you expecting, r187? The book is closed. The ending was called suicide.

[quote] Is there a single person alive who doesn't think he was murdered?

Me. I still wonder if he's somehow still alive somewhere.

Related, here's some bonkers reporting about Randy Andy attempting to get off by claiming Epstein's agreements exempt him:

[quote] “Because Prince Andrew is a senior member of the British royal family, he falls into one of the expressly identified categories of persons, i.e., royalty, released from liability under the Release Agreement, along with politicians, academicians, businessmen, and others allegedly associated with Epstein,” Brettler wrote in a memo on Oct. 29.

I don't think he's dead. Sociopaths don't commit suicide. They fake their deaths and escape.

I'm not sure why you're saying it's bonkers, r190. Giuffre, on the basis of the same agreement, dropped all her claims against Dershowitz.

From your article, according to a former federal prosecutor:

[quote]“This is an extraordinarily broad release that, on its face, releases any claims that Ms. Giuffre Roberts has against anyone that she might have been able to sue as a result of sexual abuse by Epstein,” noted Epner, who is now of counsel with the firm Rottenberg Lipman Rich PC. “It releases all claims she ‘ever had or now ha[s] for, upon, or by reason of any matter … (whether known or unknown) from the beginning of the world to the day of this release.’”

[quote]“So, if Prince Andrew had run Virginia Giuffre Roberts over in a hit-and-run, that would be released too,” Epner added.

One wonders why Giuffre agreed to release Epstein and everyone else for a measly $500,000.

Hi R191,

The sentiment seems to be that it is too overly broad to be enforceable.

It *is* bonkers - you can't release random people who aren't parties to an agreement or bound by one of the parties to an agreement (like an employee). It's the most basic of contract law principles.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

I'd love to see more disgusting manipulative lying rich people in jail.

First, r191, not everyone views a half-million dollars as "measly."

Secondly, Virginia knows the ulterior and corrupt world of powerful men, and probably figured her court case could easily go against her.

Finally, she probably had received many a threat, subtle and not so.

I wonder if she had a bad lawyer or no lawyer? I have read that a fair few women went to claim from the Epstein compensation fund without a lawyer and used one of *their* lawyers. 'Jane' testified in court that she had two personal injury lawyers and got $5m which she said was $2.9m after legal fees. Big legal fees but perhaps worth it after all. Gotta wonder if Giuffre is running out of money and that's why she's pushing the Andrew thing. Idk why that drongo doesn't just stop wasting millions of the Queen's money and embarrassing the royal family... he likely could have given her a bunch of money and a generic apology, and this would not still be in the news.

Virginia knows all the freak shit. Isn’t she the one who saw Ghislaine in lesbian orgys with young girls down by the pool?

R197

R190, Ted Bundy knew that he would get the death penalty in Florida, yet he returned to the state AND murdered a child.

He surmised correctly.

And yet, r198, we are supposed to believe that our political leaders [Read: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump] who are known horn-dogs socialized with and flew on the plane of JE but never partook of the main offerings? That only Prince Andrew did?

Off topic but, somehow, sadly appropriate:

[quote] [R182], doesn't necessarily sound like the story of someone who's being "trafficked

Uh, yes it does r183 you weirdo.

Who owns Epstein's private island now? Is it in the hands of the Feds?

She looks 80 years old in the trial pics.

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Sucking is such hard work for Ghislaine? She’d better get used to it now!

R203 No, it was left to whoever inherited Epstein's estate. Epstein did write a will but set it up so that the beneficiaries are private.

From a February 2021 CNN article:

[quote]Dan Weiner, an attorney for the estate, told CNN in a written statement the co-executors of the estate received "expressions of interest from numerous parties regarding the two USVI (US Virgin Island) properties, and 2-3 bona fide offers to purchase them."

If r205 and another juror were not forthcoming about their sexual abuse to the court then discussed it during deliberations that's a big problem.

Thank you, r207. I'm curious who the beneficiaries are, but understand that they would want to remain private.

R189, since you said it first... in the back of my mind I'm convinced he's alive somewhere. Everyone got paid off and he is long gone on a remote island. Maybe Ghislaine knows this and that's why she remains so arrogant.

No, conspiracy theorists. He's dead.

And the Apollo moon landing really happened.

Everyone is assuming the sexual abuse victims in the jury lied about their past during the jury pool selection.

Because the repugnant fat gay juror contacted the DM to sell his story which brought to light his sexual abuse the judge has now set a court date for the Defense to request a new trial.

I'm pretty sure that dumbass did not disclose this in the questionnaire otherwise the prosecution wouldn't have got ahead of the defense and called for an inquiry into it which the judge has granted. The prosecution knows how the jurors answered the questions.

I can definitely see another trial being ordered off the back of this because sexual abuse was central to this trial. If it was about something else relatively unrelated, it could be excused. I bet the conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this.

And this idiot stated in the DM interview that he was not the only juror who shared stories of sexual abuse so here we go.

Hang whore. She try turn me to prostitute.

While the judge can't prohibit jurors from speaking to the press afterward, he can certainly deliver a stern warning against it. Didn't the judge here do that?

The fix. It was set up this way from the very start. She knew she would not do time so no need for her to testify. The guilty had no need for another jailhouse " suicide." No rule of law for the rich, powerful, and corrupt.

DM was clearly set up by Somebody to ask David about the juror questionnaire. They didn't figure this out all by themselves.

R219 Going from what I was seeing on twitter, several journalists were desperate to talk to jurors and many even wrote a tweet begging jurors to talk to them. He talked to Lucia Osborne-Crowley (Aussie journalist) first which is hilarious because she's very pro- believing sexual abuse survivors. I wonder what she's thinking now that she's been a conduit to fuck this up.

R220 Of course there was a press scrum looking to interview jurors. But DM somehow already had the goods in hand to hang David.

David's an attention whore.

[Quote]The fix. It was set up this way from the very start.

Ridiculous notion. He could have easily just hung the jury. No, this is a self-absorbed individual who seeks recognition. A fool who has now implicated other jurors.

a very "convenient" mistriaal has just occurred and we now have to go back tot the drawing board all over again! Coincidence or not? She will walk or get "time served" and walk!

Scotty David has lawyered up with an expensive lawyer now, Todd Spodek, who probably bills $500-$1,000 a hour (the judge did offer him a court-appointed lawyer).

It's just shocking how money buys freedom.

[Quote]According to Reuters, David said that he “flew through” the initial questionnaire and did not recall being asked about those personal experiences with sexual abuse on the form, but he added that he would have answered honestly.

He's lying and yeah, he needs an attorney because he's going to be brought up on perjury charges for lying in voir dire just like Maxwell during her deposition.

No jury for David! The judge will deal with it as a summary proceeding, criminal contempt of court.

New word of the day: contemnor.

The judge isn't going to let David slide by without naming other jurors who talked about their sexual abuse during deliberations. What's he going to do? Lie again?

For David, it'll be like going in to see dad right after you've totaled his prize Ferrari.

By the way, reading DM closely (like jury questionnaires, whoever does), it seems he's not Mr David after all. DM is using just his first and middle names, to protect his privacy. After publishing a perfectly clear photo of his face.

The interwebs are starting to call David "The Chatty Juror.". Hope he's not a DLer.

Randy Andy on the hotseat (article dated 1/7/22 not linked because of DL's bitch with The Independent) ...

[quote]Settlement with accuser Virginia Giuffre remains an option for Prince Andrew if a judge rules that the case should go to trial — though reports suggest Ms Giuffre may prefer a trial to send a message that no one is above the law.

[quote]This news comes as the latest hearing in the case between Ms Giuffre and the Duke of York was called a “horrible day” for the duke by both legal and royal experts.

[quote]The judge overseeing Prince Andrew’s bid to dismiss a lawsuit from Ms Giuffre promised to hand down a ruling “pretty soon” after a heated hearing on Tuesday.

[quote]Mitchell Epner, a US former federal prosecutor said the case would not be dismissed following the court hearing led by Judge Lewis Kaplan and insisted that the Duke must settle, default or go to court.

[quote]During Tuesday’s hearing, Prince Andrew’s lawyers argued the 2009 agreement signed by Epstein and Ms Giuffre protects the Duke of York and should be grounds for dismissing her current suit against him.

[quote]The Duke is said to be “rushing” the sale of his chalet in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier to cover his mounting legal bills, and a report says his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York, is actively part of his defence team.

[quote]...two jurors' exact answers on the questionnaire remain unknown, and neither has been accused of lying or incorrectly filling out their forms. Juror #50 retained an attorney on Wednesday, who did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

[quote]Valerie Hans, a law professor at Cornell University who has studied juries, told Insider there could be an innocent explanation for why a juror would incorrectly answer the questionnaire.

[quote]"If the juror did respond negatively to that question or if he failed to answer that question, it's possible he didn't notice it, or it's possible that he did not remember the details and recognize it as sexual abuse until sitting as a juror in this trial," Hans said.

[quote]If one or both Maxwell jurors did lie on the questionnaire, Huntley Taylor said they could face prosecution. Prosecutors with the Southern District of New York did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

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Let's see what the new woke, liberal, progressive, POC US attorney for NYC district does with this hot mess.

[Quote]If the juror did respond negatively to that question or if he failed to answer that question, it's possible he didn't notice it, or it's possible that he did not remember the details and recognize it as sexual

Ridiculous. The question was clear and prominent with boxes to tick. Either these guys answered truthfully or they did not.

More than one law professor has told Reuters that a new trial isn't guaranteed because overturning verdicts is something the law is very loath to do. That was somewhat surprising but bottom line - don't be surprised if Judge Nathan decides to have the verdict stay.

It's not so much his not checking the box but his statement that raising his personal history of abuse swayed the other jurors. I don't think Scotty was a shrinking violet in the jury room.

I'm glad Maxie is getting off. She got me off so many times. So many girls. Jeffrey lived right across the park from me, so it was easy to run over. Our buildings were so close. And he had a place right down the street from Mar-a-Lago. The same neighborhood. We worked it out. And he'd send me girls. That's the thing about real estate. It's all about location. New York or Florida, I was never far from Jeff.

R240 you nailed that. Read it in frumps voice.

"Many of them are on the younger side."

Read the real deal in TDFFG's voice, r241.

Oh ffs...

"Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers believe they have found a third juror in her sex trafficking trial who lied about being abused, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. The socialite was last week given hope of a retrial when two jurors admitted using their experiences of sexual abuse to sway the jury. A source said Maxwell's legal team feel 'confident a third juror lied on their jury application. There are also questions over a fourth juror, so this thing is up in the air.'"

What a blow out if 4 jurors lied then swayed the other jurors with their stories during deliberations.

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^^^ that's juicy. I wonder if the Press can petition for this doc if the judge unseals it.

Judge has officially set sentencing for June but will investigate whether a new trial is needed in April.

And, I don't want to post this in the other Andrew thread because it's full of annoying royalists but this Substack piece has some good gossip about Andrew.

This is too good to not share too. (If you are familiar with media 'euphemisms', what's the betting 'close friend' means Andrew himself? Yeah, I don't have a lot of sympathy.

R245 At a guess they could be Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Woody Allen and other rich entitled white dudes.

More on the money trail.

She is being sentenced today. Do you think she'll scissor in prison?

Her links to Mossad will save her. This includes possible “suicide”.

Alan Dershowitz should be in prison.

Oh look! It's the Jew-obsessed turds bumping a 5 month old thread for their morning wankfest. Posting a year old story didn't satisfy your Jew fix?

What you on about, r254? She was sentenced today, so the thread is very current. 20 years.

R255 Indeed...

The bitch is British. what you expect?

At a wedding