Do you agree with this tweet from earlier this year about Anna Nicole Smith?

Who?

I was young when she died but I remember it was a big story.

She destroyed herself OP

She’s popular with millennials and Gen Z

She was fabulous

R1 ^^^

15,000 tweets is hardly viral.

And "making stupid hotties famous for nothing" has hardly helped society. -stares in Kardashian-

America is obsessed with tragic white blonde women.

The vultures around her destroyed her. Specifically that evil cunt Howard K Stern.

Fucking tragic story. She was dim but sweet and didn't deserve to be dealt such a shitty hand. I'm glad her daughter is being raised right. Hopefully her dad will keep her from meeting a similar fate.

R8 hurry up with my mural!

R19 You can share a spot next to us.

It’s true though. Anna, Britney, Marilyn, Diana, etc.

I could still be alive, ya know! Has anyone checked the shacks on the shore????

Gen Z is too dumb to recognize a gold digger…..They must think she married him for love or was forced or whatever….

How reductive GenZ and SJW are: greedy, dumb women = victims of society who failed to see their worthiness????

R14 R15 This tweet is likely from a millennial.

Even though she was a gold digging whore (her second marriage was to 89-year-old billionaire J. Howard Marshall), I did feel bad for her when her son died shortly after the birth of her daughter.

Things I don't feel guilty about: Anna, Britney, Marilyn, Diana, etc.

The Tweeter at OP is an OnlyFans "model". Shocking at her POV

Well….

Didn't Britney Spears have the same story? We don't owe either of these women "apologies". How about Britney apologize for runing pop music?

She totally deserved the billions that crypt keeper left her in his will.

She made Bobby Trendy…..A STAR!!!!

r17 I read that in Bill Burr's voice. It's probably a combo of both--yes, she's a gold digging whoo-ah, but she was also manipulated by the people around her. The culture wasn't kind, either. And in fairness to her, that's a two-way street. He wasn't with her for her intellect or compatibility. I view it as a business transaction where both sides were using the other.

Re: the actual tweet, I don't think it's accurate. But, it's not something a younger gen would understand, because they don't have contemporary context. I don't mean that in a cunty eldergay way; a lot of the youth culture aspects I didn't (and wouldn't) understand without context, either. The whole she's so unique is bullshit. It's a dime a dozen, it's just better disguised. I'd argue Megan Fox is similar, and did a much better job of it-minus the billionaire

Kudos to Craig Ferguson who called out the media/fame aspect in his Britney monologue.

People are nostalgic for any sort of shit these days apparently.

What “kind” of stardom is she talking about? Such bullshit. She was a joke.

TrimSpa....baby.

Just think what she could have accomplished had she only lived.

She was the gold digging whore to end all gold digging whores. Married a feeble, ancient rich coot to get ahold of his money. Some say she deserved his money for sleeping with him but it's debatable that ever ever did sleep with him. After their marriage she flew off with some other guy (one of her bodyguards I think), leaving the poor old rich coot in tears. After his death, she sued and sued and sued to get ahold of all his riches, but didn't prevail. I think the judge who finally dismissed the case said the case lasted longer then the marriage. She became a hopeless druggie and finally od'd. It seemed inevitable; she was pure white trash. Hopefully her daughter will find a better path in life and won't become a stripper, and get gigantic breast implants, and pose nude and marry an ancient, dying, feeble-minded old man in order to get his millions and die of a drug overdose.

R24 Please, from another perspective one could say she was a predator: preying on a senile and frail old man, who had worked hard most of his life to amount a fortune, just to rip him off and take the money away from his children….

R25 Many young people have a sadomasochistic interest in inducing guilt trips on social media. They blame people who are generally well off (e.g. men, white people, boomers, rich people etc.) and love to paint people who failed as victims of those who are successful.

Maybe, just maybe, being smart IS more important than being pretty...

R22 I think she was only to get something between $400 million and $500 million. Not billions.

R31 I feel for her

I thought she didn’t get any money?

She thought we didn't know that she married the old man for his money, LOL. Her daughter would probably already be on drugs if her mom was raising her.

R33 She did.

She wanted the old man for his money, he wanted her for her youth and beauty. Fair trade off.

R36 Except he was close to death and she still young….

She was poor, not very intelligent, and gullible as could be. She was an easy target for every confidence man in Hollywood. Being rich and famous were the only things on her tiny mind. She eventually became drug addicted, and little more than a whore. it's sad she didn't survive into the 'me too' years. Maybe someone (she certainly wouldn't have) would have been able to save her or at least given the men who used her what they deserved. That scumbag Howard K. Stern, I firmly believe, kept her supplied with narcotics because they enabled him to do her any way he could. He belongs in prison for what he did to that girl.

Stern probably got what was due him. His career certainly has not gone higher since his time with ANS. All the years he's been an attorney and now he's a public defender in LA. That's about as low on the legal totem pole a lawyer can get.

I think the old man's will led to her demise. Stern was manipulating her with drugs to get his hands on the money she claimed to be entitled to by marrying the old geezer.

Say what you will about her claim, it bounced around a lot between California, Texas, and even the Supreme Court for it not to be totally without merit.

I said ANS was the epitome of the American Dream gone wrong in a college Contemporary Communications class circa 2006 and got laughed at by the class. Cunts. Time has proven me right.

I remember when they used to refer to her as TWANS (The Widow Anna Nicole Smith) at alt.showbiz.gossip and alt.gossip.celebrities.

Remember when everything was Something Nation? I guess we have Elizabeth Wurtzel to thank for that?

#FreeAnnaNicolesMoney

I wonder whether Marilyn Monroe would have ended up like ANS had she been in the same generation.

I mean, Monroe was essentially a passaround whore for the Kennedys, Peter Lawford, and friends.

As for marrying the billionaire, I think they both got what they wanted out of the situation. I think he knew what he was doing and so did she - and she deserved every penny she got out of the marriage.

[quote] She did.

Oh, she lived very well while she was married to him. But after he died she not included in the will. She fought hard in the courts to get what she thought was rightfully hers, a few hundred million dollars at least. When she died to case was still pending. Some speculated that her daughter would get all the moolah. But that didn't happen. Doesn't look like it will. The goddam case went on forever. Here's an excerpt from an article in Forbes in 2017. The judge in the case had had enough of the craziness:

For much of that time, the matter has remained on Judge Mike Wood's docket: Judge Wood is a probate judge in Harris County, Texas.

This month, as lawyers quarreled over a temporary restraining order (TRO) involving trusts that were created as part of the estate, Judge Wood finally had it.

"I am," he told those in the court, "going off the handle officially. I am tired of this case. I've told you that from the beginning. I beg you to recuse me. I beg you to recuse me. I don't want to deal with you people anymore. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous."

Judge Wood went on to say, "I am not going to spend a lot of time cutting at nits and gnats for people that are fighting over 20 billion, $10 billion that they didn't earn. They didn't create this wealth. It was created by a third party, and they're just fighting over it. They can't agree on anything. They can pay lots of lawyers. They can pay lawyers until hell freezes over. But they don't want to agree to anything. They just want to pay lawyers."

Judge Wood disputed that the parties actually wanted the case to end, advising them, "you're going to have to figure out something to do because I just can't -- I'm not going to deal with you anymore. I've had it. I have had it. This is outrageous. This didn't happen overnight. This wasn't done four years ago. Pierce has been dead nine years." He then declared at the January 11 hearing that "it's just not the way I'm going to spend my life." A week later, on January 18, Judge Wood officially recused himself from the case.

TikTok is the new White Trash Nation.

Hmmm...I just googled it.

After all the appeals and arguments regarding jurisdiction, Smith got nothing from the billionaire's estate.

Also, Smith's will specifically excluded other children, so I don't know that Dannielynn got any money.

Anna was an opportunist who loved the attention way more than the media and the public loved her. She was a tabloid star and not all that popular.

Her claim to fame was marrying an 800 year-old billionaire.

To act as if she wasn’t up for exploitation and didn’t partake on it is new wave feminist bullshit that women are children and not accountable for the decisions they make. And that we should be sympathetic towards every woman who was an idiot and how it’s somehow our fault they were.

This post just reminds me of her being a "celebrity" in the news and it being sad that/how she passed, and so young and her son without his mom.

I watch the Anna Nicole Smith show Christmas episode every year. WHET cousin Shelly?

She was a stupid whore.

I know that is harsh, but it is true.

The people around her were awful. Really awful.

Say what u will but she was gorgeous. And funny. She was totally in on the joke.

The drugs did her in and it was actually heartbreaking that her son died before she did.

Even the hardest hearts here should empathize.

She couldn't make it on Broadway.

R49 I miss whatever brand of feminism it was called in the 90s where actresses like Sharon Stone and Demi Moore were allowed to be whores because they were 100 percent in control and knew exactly what they were doing. Feminism should really be about having all the choices to do whatever you want with your life and career whether it’s “correct” or not.

R53 no way was she in on the joke. That would have required her to have a brain at least the size of say, Paris Hilton - who’s a genius compared to her (which says a lot).

r49 is right. From my experience, it takes some brains, in addition to looks, to achieve the kind of fame she did. There are porn stars just as sexy but she had to have some brains to figure out how to be in the spotlight. Maybe drugs did do her in but no one becomes as famous as she does without working for it and working at it.

Anna Nicole Smith is dead—tell everyone!

She was a bobblehead.

Her reality show is comedy gold. Her life was tragic. Her son died in her hospital room by a drug overdose, he appeared to be a sweet kid but with Anna as a role model he was doomed.

[quote] Say what u will but she was gorgeous.

Have you seen photos of her before the hair bleaching, breast implants, plastic surgery and heavy makeup and photoshopping? She was an ordinary looking white trash girl with dirty blonde hair and not much of a chest.

I think stern killed her son and anna by neglect, think he drugged the milkshake her boy drank. All stern was after was the money

You know, Sarah Weddington died today - she was the woman who argued Roe vs. Wade at the Supreme Court when she was 26 years old and three years out of law school.

Why on earth would I care about Anna Nicole Smith, a fatso bimbo who did nothing of interest or value in her life? And yet the stupid woman in OP's tweet says "I lament that our culture doesn’t allow for her type of stardom." How about some fucking stardom for the woman who gave you access to legal abortion, lady? Or thousands of other women who are more important than Anna Nicole Smith?

Never forget ...

I don't understand why these Gen Z folk are going all in on the "poor little rich girl ruined by the EVIL TABLOIDS or ABUSIVE MEN" shit. They don't just do it for the dumb as doorknob bimbos from the 2000s like Britney and Paris, they do it for every mentally ill famous woman in history like Marilyn or Edie Sedgwick, smearing anyone around them who didn't dare to enable their every whim.......

That being said, Anna Nicole came off as a genuinely sweet woman on her reality show.

Adore Delano was truly amazing as Anna Nicole.

R64 It’s not Gen Zers, it’s millennials like the hosts of the You’re Wrong About podcast.

Only really stupid people would have admiration for someone like Anna Nicole Smith. What was there to admire about her? She was a sleazy, gold digging whore. No more, no less.

I started to watch her Christmas show but realized that I don't find uneducated drug addicts entertaining. I have some empathy for her, but she isn't funny.

If you want funny...

WE didn’t do her wrong. Stupid cunt.

Everyone’s a victim!!!!!

Are people still trying that ridiculous "golddigger Anna took advantage of a feeble old man" crap? J. Howard Marshall was a ruthless bastard up to the bitter end of his life. He died of pneumonia at age 90 with zero indication that he was mentally incapacitated in any way. He battled the Koch family his whole life, for fucks sake. He screwed his daughter in law and grandchildren over with his tax frauds. And Anna was not the first stripper he pursued and wanted to marry--there was one before her who he kept in the wings for years while his wife was wasting away with Alzheimer's. When that stripper died unexpectedly, Marshall sued her estate to get back the millions he gave her in cash and gifts (including some of his wife's jewelry) despite the fact he expressly told his son she was to be taken care for the rest of her life if he died first. And he did it because he was in trouble with the IRS for not declaring those gifts, and with the SEC for improper stock transfers he made to her. That lawsuit was *after* met Anna Nicole Smith. He gave his equally ruthless son Pierce power of attorney after their wedding and also kept Anna out of his will, breaking the same promise to her as he did to his previous stripper girlfriend (that she would always be taken care of financially, even after his death), because he fucked her over just like he did everyone else in his life. Feeble my ass. He was exactly the asshole you'd expect a billionaire oil tycoon to be.

Yeah I’ve noticed these are the same people who go after people like Diane Sawyer for being too “harsh” on Britney, ditto Letterman on Lindsay. So now we’re supposed to shame journalists and talk show hosts for doing their job? I can tell who didnt do their job abs it’s their fucking parents? If we’re gonna shame people let’s shame the right people.

But really, I have no sympathy for dumb bimbos who would do anything to be rich and famous.

[quote] Are people still trying that ridiculous "golddigger Anna took advantage of a feeble old man" crap?

So poor Anna Nicole was the "victim" of an evil old man? You're full of shit.

New York magazine printed a story entitled "Paw Paw and Lady Love" that chronicled the horror story that was Anna Nicole Smith and her grotesque hold over a rich, unwell old billionaire. Here's an excerpt:

Their wedding took place on June 27, 1994, in the White Dove Wedding Chapel. Sitting in his wheelchair, wearing a white tuxedo, 89-year-old J. Howard watched as his 26-year-old bride walked down an aisle of white rosebuds. He’d tried to stand, but his legs buckled. When it was time to kiss the bride, Anna Nicole leaned down to kiss him. Afterward, once white doves had been released into the sky, she delivered heartbreaking news: She needed to catch a plane out of town immediately for a photo shoot. Her new husband sat crying in his wheelchair. Blowing him kisses, she rushed away with her bodyguard, who would later claim the two had sex in a hotel room that night.

And this:

For Christmas he gave her a teddy bear wearing a gargantuan emerald pendant; she gave him a nose-hair trimmer. Later, during an evening out, there was confusion about who was caring for him, and he was left outside in heavy rain.

When J. Howard returned to Texas, his condition worsened. In January, Anna Nicole visited him at his house. She stayed up with him through the night, spooning chicken broth into his mouth, despite an order that he be fed only through a tube. When he began choking, she became hysterical. He lost consciousness and had to be revived en route to the hospital.

Pierce reacted swiftly and coolly: He assumed temporary guardianship of his father and cut her off completely, forwarding her bills directly to her. For a few years now, she had been spending—and, at the end, demanding—upwards of six figures per month. She was caught off guard. She became desperate.

When J. Howard was released from the hospital, she visited again. She took off her shirt and bra and climbed atop him, shoving her breasts in his face: “Do you miss your rosebuds?” she pleaded, a tape ­recorder in her hand, urging him to repeat out loud his promise to take care of her and her son. He was unable to speak. Finally, Pierce hired several armed guards, significantly limiting her access to her husband. Some on his staff claim he expressed regret for having married her.

New York Magazine is the same publication that put her photo on the cover for their "White Trash Nation" edition. They left a lot out of that story. He did for Anna exactly what he did for the previous stripper he committed all kinds of financial fraud to keep a hold on for a decade while his wife was incapacitated.

I don't give a shit what anyone thinks of Anna Nicole Smith. But to retcon the story as her taking advantage of that ruthless asshole is absurd. And you're full of shit for trying.

This trend of breathless white knighting for every drug addled nitwit who had 15 minutes of fame has gotten tired. What is with this fetish for making famous female starlet/ model/celebutante types into victims who society failed to protect? It's all so shallow considering these same fierce advocates wouldn't give a shit about Smith if she never left the trailer park.

R35, that's anything but a FAIR trade off!

Are you serious?

There's nothing society hates more than rich blonde bimbos. The abuse by society towards them ( complete with slut shaming and gaslighting) is relentless. Did you know that Anna was actually a genius who was in on the joke? Her whole image was a knowing wink. If Anna Nicole hadn't been surrounded by narcissists who gaslit her she would have been a noble prize winner. " Do you like my body?" was fucking poetry .Stop whore and sex worker shaming. I want every journalist who wrote a bad word about her to be fired and completely destroyed. If the journalist is a woman I want everyone to call her misogynistic names ( misogyny is only bad if the woman is young and super hot). Why is everyone still talking about covid? This is way more important.

Anna Nicole Smith flashing her ta-ta's, winking and stringing along an old guy on his death bed is hardly "genius". It's opportunistic and sad. What's next, she was going to earn a degree from Harvard and had plans to make another moon landing as well?

Her only "assets" or "talents" was that she was simply slutty and tried to milk that money up ASAP. She wasn't going to become a leading science pioneer. Talk about false equivalencies.

[quote] But to retcon the story as her taking advantage of that ruthless asshole is absurd. And you're full of shit for trying.

You're an idiot. Facts are facts. She used him, an old, very rich, sickly man, in order to get his millions. Those are the facts, hon. Your attempt to make old, feeble J. Howard Marshall II out as an evil entity who took advantage of poor little gold digging strippers like sweet little Anna Nicole is laughable. He took advantage of HER....oh my sides!

" I lament that our culture doesn't allow for her type of stardom". The writer sounds like a dipshit attempting to appear intellectual and sophisticated. Smiths type of stardom is the dominant type in this country and has been for a while.

R80 I bet you think poor Donald is getting swindled by Melania, too.

J Howard Marshall and Howard Stern were scumbags. But, IMO, ANS would have been a grifter, regardless. She also would have abused drugs, with or without Stern.

When she showed up at that awards show (Trim Spa, baby) after having lost all that weight ... No way she lost that much weight that fast with OTC pills. She had no self-control, with food or anything else. In retrospect, she might have had an early form of bariatric surgery.

J. Howard Marshall's son was relentless in fighting her in court. Howard Stern was no match for attorney Rusty Hardin ("Screw you, Rusty!").

Kind of random but if you go on YouTube and look up Aileen Wuronos’ last interviews there’s tons of sympathizers who take her side and actually think what she was saying during her final interview was making sense.

This thread reminded me of that.

I think, if ANS were alive today, she would make her own fortune on Onlyfans.

R84 it goes with feminist logic that women can do no wrong and all men are evil, hence why it’s still OK to hate and demonize gay men, feminism says it’s OK for a woman to explore her sexuality and experiment with other women but men better not do that

But gay men support these crazed feminists, it’s fucking weird

[quote] She used him, an old, very rich, sickly man, in order to get his millions.

He also used her, idiot. She deserved every dollar.

[quote] feminism says it’s OK for a woman to explore her sexuality and experiment with other women but men better not do that

When and where did feminists ever say that???

Their wedding photo is iconic

The clown video was super disturbing

Stephanie Weir was hilarious as ANS.

Once you sell your sexuality, you no longer own it.

You lose control of it, you've alienated it to the leering, jeering, cruel world who will use you up and spit you out. It's a devil's bargain.

[quote] He also used her, idiot. She deserved every dollar.

Shut up, moronic troll. She didn't deserve anything. She was a grifting, gold digging whore; She didn't deserve shit. Just because YOU love her doesn't change that very obvious fact.

Everyone needs to remember J Howard Marshall was a wills and trust professor at Yale Law School. He knew exactly what he was doing with his estate plan. He spoiled her while he was alive but was never going to take care of her after he shuffled off this mortal coil. The only way the will would be tossed aside is if he was incompetent at the time of the marriage, meaning it was never valid. In that case she still gets nothing. Her end was sad and the people close to her took advantage but she was no "innocent virgin bride".

This never gets old.

Ana Nichole Smith was no Yale graduate. The only thing she knew how to do was being a slut.

The crazy thing is the estate offered her like 30 million to disappear and Howard talked her into pursuing the case further

Oh stop with the ANS threads. She's dead.

Eww at R14's photo. For an 89 year old...yes, very old...he really looked half dead. There are people in their 90s that look much better...William Shatner for example. Even Olivia de Havilland looked much better at 104. Even some average people, at that age, look better.

R85 I don’t think so.

Men didn’t find her attractive anymore.

Even when she lost all that weight and did the TrimSpa commercials, men found her to be weird.

In the 90’s during her Playboy era, yes. But there’s a reason why Hugh didn’t invite her back for another Playboy shoot after she lost all her weight.

Remember how she struggled with obesity?

How was she “sweet”? She was manipulative as hell and not a nice person.

And she was not sweet on the show. She threw tantrums and behaved like a spoiled brat. Stern was a piece of shit but he went through more bullshit to get her money than Anna did with that old billionaire.

Watch the Anna show. You’d rather kiss a 90 year old for money than deal with Anna’s tantrum for money.

How was the Lifetime movie?

WEHT Agnes Bruckner?

The son’s death was very suspicious to me. And it didn’t seem properly investigated.

R106- It was suspicious. I have always suspected Howard Stern in Daniel's death.

I aint hatin on her. Id have climbed onto the wheelchair and shoved that withered old cock into my ass with a quickness if it would have gotten me access to his money. She was what she was,a stupid whore who didnt play the game correctly. That being said,I enjoyed her reality show and she did seem sweet and funny . Drugs have taken down far smarter people than her.

Is there any good story regarding her relationships with Stern and the gay babydaddy? Was she just randomly screwing everyone? Were they all living in the same house?

I also think Stern had something to do with the son's death.

Trying to make her into a victim in the J. Howard Marshall situation is ridiculous. He had a law degree from Yale? He was a rotting corpse when they hooked up!

I only knew Smith/Marshall from the headlines, then caught a few episodes of her reality show.

Regardless of her life up until that point, I could tell that the woman desperately needed a friend, someone to show her a little care. No one around her at that point was healthy or helpful. Everyone wanted something from the caricature, and no one was very interested in the person underneath. To me she seemed resigned to the consequences of her life.

The glimpses of sweetness, and what she may have been long ago, were heartbreaking--as were her obvious drug use and depression..

I remember being unexpectedly moved when she passed.

I was introduced to her in the early noughts and was struck by how beautiful she was and how tall she was.

Also by how drunk she was but that was less surprising.

Remember how Zsa Zsa's prince tried to claim he was the father of ANS's child? Do you think they actually ever had sex? Or was he just after the money (I guess I answered my own question).

[quote] Regardless of her life up until that point, I could tell that the woman desperately needed a friend, someone to show her a little care. No one around her at that point was healthy or helpful.

That was her choice. It was her choice to surround herself with creeps. They were her kind of people. Her life was a series of bad choices; HER choices. And as far as her drug alcohol addiction and depression went...well, as far as I know she never sought help for any of it. I never felt any sympathy towards her. She lived her life the way she wanted to, until it eventually killed her.

TWANS!!!!!! Now that’s a blast from the past.