The “Ken and Barbie Killers”

[quote] I was born in 1986 so I don’t know much about them other than what I’ve read. Was the media covering their story nonstop at the time?

Not in the United States. I only heard about this years alter on Datalounge because it's an obsession of Canadian Dataloungers.

Depended where you lived in the U.S. If you were on the border with Ontario it was in the news regularly when it happened. I remember them well.

Somebody should turn that story into a musical.

R3 we already have Bonnie & Clyde.

Yeah, but did Bonnie kill her own sister to gratify Clyde? No? Bo-ring!

Do you think killing Tammy was really an 'accident'? I think Karla knew exactly what she was doing. By killing Tammy she got her rival out of the way and cemented her relationship to Paul.

I think Karla was the killer in all of the murders

I do, too, R7. Stephen Williams makes a compelling case in his book Invisible Darkness.

The most shocking thing about this is how she only got 12 years for her role and he qualifies for day parole!! I went to the Watching Karla Homolka Facebook page (as she has changed her name a few times and left Canada and come back) and learned a little about the so called Canadian "justice system".

Doesn’t she have kids and live on a Caribbean island too?

They are super-famous (well, infamous) in Canada. It’s a good example of the US’s self-focus, that we’re so obsessed with true crime here but yet this story didn’t really make it past the border.

I think Karla was just as evil as Paul, and it sucks she got off so easy. I never heard of them until i ready a book about their crimes a couple of years after it happened.

I remember in part of the book Karla had a pet iguana and it bit one of their friends at a bbq party. So Paul decapitated it and put on the grill and ate it

I'm no Karla apologist, but don't forget Paul was a serial rapist long before he ever met Karla.

R10, she has three kids with her lawyer's brother. She was living in a suburb of Montreal but is now in Salaberry-de-Valleyfield, also outside of Montreal.

Paul and Karla remind me of the research about the two Columbine killers: one homicidal maniac and another person with an absence of a moral center / conscience who was easily convinced to take part in terrible things. Karla may not have done anything like this if she hadn’t met Paul. But in the end she did choose to do these things.

[quote]learned a little about the so called Canadian "justice system".

How do you mean?

R5 at least we died together. Killed spectacularly by law enforcement. In our early twenties.

From Wikipedia:

Bernardo committed multiple sexual assaults, escalating in viciousness, in and around Scarborough. He attacked most of his victims after stalking them as they got off buses late in the evening.

Known incidents are:

May 4, 1987: Rape of a 21-year-old Scarborough woman in front of her parents' house, after Bernardo followed her home

May 14, 1987: Rape of a 19-year-old woman in the backyard of her parents' house

July 17, 1987: Attempted rape of a young woman. Although he beat the victim, he abandoned the attack when she fought back

September 29, 1987: Attempted rape of a 15-year-old girl. Bernardo broke into a house in Scarborough and entered the victim's bedroom. He jumped on her back, put his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife, bruised the side of her face and bit her ear. Bernardo fled when the victim's mother entered the room and screamed. Nineteen-years-old at the time of the crime, Anthony Hanemaayer was convicted of the sexual assault in 1989 and served a sixteen-month prison sentence, but was exonerated after Bernardo admitted to the crime in 2006.

December 16, 1987: Rape of a 15-year-old girl. The next day Metropolitan Toronto Police issued a warning to women in Scarborough traveling alone at night, especially those riding buses.

December 23, 1987: Rape of a 17-year-old girl with a knife he used to threaten his victims. At this point, he began to be known as the Scarborough Rapist.

April 18, 1988: Bernardo attacked a 17-year-old girl

May 25, 1988: Bernardo was nearly caught by a uniformed Metro Toronto investigator staking out a bus shelter. Although the investigator noticed Bernardo hiding under a tree and pursued him on foot, Bernardo escaped.

May 30, 1988: Rape of an 18-year-old woman in Mississauga, Ontario, about 40 kilometres (25 miles) southwest of Scarborough

October 4, 1988: Attempted rape in Scarborough. Although his intended victim fought him off, he inflicted two stab wounds to her thigh and buttock which required 12 stitches.

November 16, 1988: Rape of an 18-year-old woman in the backyard of her parents' house

November 17, 1988: Metro Police formed a task force to capture the Scarborough Rapist

December 27, 1988: Attempted rape, with a neighbour chasing Bernardo off

June 20, 1989: Attempted rape; the young woman fought, and her screams alerted neighbours. Bernardo fled with scratches on his face.

August 15, 1989: Rape of a 22-year-old woman

November 21, 1989: Rape of a 15-year-old girl Bernardo saw in a bus shelter

December 22, 1989: Rape of a 19-year-old woman

May 26, 1990: Rape of a 19-year-old woman. His victim's vivid recollection of her attacker enabled police to create a computer composite portrait, which was released two days later by police and published in Toronto and area newspapers.

July 1990: Two months after police received tips that Bernardo resembled the Scarborough Rapist composite, he was interviewed by two police detectives

Thanks r18

R16 multiple things, too many to post, but mainly how convicted murders have a right to privacy. Apparently another convicted murderer (and torturer) had unexplained absences from the prison (where he was caught with a hooker and doing cocaine I believe) and the victim's family was outraged and wanted the info to be public during his parole hearing and the government decided that the prisoner has a right to privacy. Just outrageous shit like that.

I just watched this on Discovery+. As a Canadian, I never knew the minute details until this series. I remember well the media blackouts on anything to do with the court case, and how the jurors, etc., couldn’t say anything publicly. Now I see that the publication bans probably had more to do with how badly handled this case was by every level of enforcement and prosecution. The system really failed French and Mahaffey, and it let Karla, who should have been tried for first degree murder, pretty much off scott free. Watching the series, you definitely come away with the impression that SHE could have been the actual murderer. Just two completely sick individuals who unfortunately found each other.

R9 Paul Bernado does NOT get day parole. He applied for parole in June and was denied. Nice try, LIAR. You really think the Canadians want a serial rapist and murderer walking their streets? Karla was offered the deal before they discovered tapes of her participating in the crimes. Way to lie and obfuscate just to make some bullshit point about the inferiority of the Canadian justice system.

R9 - the problem was the Crown prosecutors at the time were too lazy or inept to do what was right once they saw the tapes. Karla’s outcome could have totally been different if the Crown prosecutors had any brains, or gave a fuck. To me, it’s all on them.

R22 sorry meant to say he applied. And why is he even given a chance to apply?? He tortured and murdered people, the fact that he gets a chance at parole is ludicrous. He should have gotten a life sentence with no possibility of parole. The Canadian justice system is a joke and you know it, that's why you are splitting hairs.

R21, the theory is that Karla killed Leslie and Kristen when Paul left the house to get food/rent videos. There were two bruises on Leslie's back (in the deep tissue) that looked like someone kneeled on her back, and they were too small to be Paul's knees. Karla may have kneeled on her and suffocated her.

As for Kristin, she may have tried to escape and Karla hit her with a rubber mallet and then strangled her.

Yes, Paul Bernardo's crimes were escalating and yes he deserves to be in prison until he's dead, but Karla should be in prison, too. I believe she killed her sister Tammy as well as Leslie and Kristen.

R24 Charles Fucking Manson got the chance to apply for parole. Nearly everyone gets the chance to apply for parole. It doesn't reflect poorly on a criminal justice system. I'm not splitting hairs but you were caught in a lie. Also if the Canadian Justice system is a "joke" then why is their violent crime rate lower than America's? Dumbass.

Who said America's justice system is wonderful R26? Inferiority complex much?

Yeah, the prosecutor in Canada could not offer a good reason for Karla Homolka being offered such a good deal, considering the evidence they had. (She was not necessary as a witness for Bernardo's conviction; there was also evidence of her culpability, i.e., she was not just along for the ride.)

She's a pariah now, with the other parents at the school where her kids attend.

It’s insane that she was volunteering at her children’s school. Anyone who volunteers at our school (and board) must submit a police check. I know she’s changed her name, but how was this missed!?

She should be hounded and ostracized for the rest of her life. She walks free, but her crimes were heinous.

I always thought that Bernardo had killed 1-2 women before Tammy, etc. There were a few bodies of Ontario women that might have fit the scenario.

Keeping Bernardo in jail is not about punishment, it is totally about public safety.

R27 there's a big difference between someone applying for parole and someone being granted day parole. You were caught in a lie and now you're just flinging shit at a wall.

Didn't she help facilitate at least some of the rapes he committed by being a decoy or bait.

Really evil pair. No way either should have been allowed to breed.

She was not given a lighter sentence - after the fact the prosecutors regrettably called it "deal with the devil".

Her extensive involvement with the crimes were documented in their home videos, discovered by law enforcement after the fact. Before the tapes were unearthed, the prosecutors needed her to testify against him.

Once they tapes were released (I was quite young at the time but recall redacted snippets played on the news), public opinion turned against her but by then it was too late to legally go after her.

The citizen vigilantes keeping these facebook pages stalking her are doing god's work IMHO. She doesn't deserve an ounce of anything for the rest of her life.

R31 no sweetie I didn't lie. A Canadian crime that occured 30 years ago is not a high priority of mine for fact checking. You're very invested in this, whereas I took a cursory glance at the article. Now go lie down and fan yourself, you're inferiority complex has made you hysterical and defensive.

They’re both evil but he was doing this long before he met her

I was born in '76. I have no idea who either of these two are. Honestly, they both look frumpy.

I think that she is a hybristophile and sexual sadist, and he was a sociopathic and violent sexual maniac. In short, it was a match made in hell. I have watched documentaries and read articles on the both of them, and it is evident that she got off on his violent behaviour and his obsessions with raping and brutalizing young girls. Curiously enough, before Paul Bernardo's lawyer delivered the torture tapes to the authorities after holding on to them for months, she pretended that she was a poor battered woman and adopted a "hapless lolita" attitude that was sickening.

I remember watching on a TV documentary the tapes of her interrogations and how she went with the police to the house to describe their crimes, and I couldn't believe how ANYONE ever thought that this cunt was a victim. She made this ridiculous baby voice and went around the house dressed as a schoogirl telling the police "Oh, in there we raped so and so and in that other room, we killed her... By the way, do not scratch the forniture! It's really expensive!". In another tape, she told her interrogators that she went to work while Paul Bernardo was raping one of the victims, and mentioned that she was still angry over the fact that he broke a champagne glass from a very expensive set that they'd been given as a wedding gift, during the rape. I just couldn't believe that the police ever felt any sympathy for this evil sow. Either they were VERY incompetent, or they were downright insane.

Anyway, she got off scot free by pretending to be an oversexed little girl (which is INCREDIBLY worrying, if you think about it), but at least society rejects her for the depraved monster that she is. We can only pray that she doesn't meet another violent sadist that titillates her perverted inclinations, or else there will be another tragedy. Moreover, I CANNOT possibly believe that this woman is allowed to be anywhere near children, including her own. Oh, and her family has allegedly forgiven her for everything she has done, including her little sister's rape and murder! It isn't any wonder she felt omnipotent, with such an unhealthily permissive family.

R34 so I'm the bad guy for calling you on your bullshit? Yeah how hysterical of me. I should have kept my mouth shut and let you lie in service of some moronic agenda. If you're telling the truth and you posted about an article without understanding the content then you're a fucking idiot. A liar or a fucking idiot.

The lawyer's brother married and had three kids with her? This is the best he could do? Really? The whole family should disown him.

I lived in Buffalo during the trial and got stations from Toronto. It was daily news for me.

R38 I didn't post the article, the OP did. I simply read it you reactionary, hysterical freak.

I don't want to Google hypbristophile. Or learn how to spell it. What is that?

There's another murder too that Bernardo is suspected of but the cops can't prove it. They ask him abt it near the end of this video 22 mins. Elizabeth Bain. This guy is so totally full of shit and word salad it's a decent watch.

Elizabeth Bains case

I was in Connecticut in the late 80's and this was all over the news.

My sister is one of those true crime weirdos and she's been obsessed with these two since the 90s.

R45 LOL

R46 She becomes so creepy when she talks about them too. She gets like a gleam in her eye and gets all excited.

It's unsettling.

Op moonfaced EwwwDWIN you look like you were born in 1966.

Didn’t Karla actually sexually abuse/rape her sister with Paul?

R49 Yes. On Christmas Eve, when the happy couple visited Karla's parents. I think Karla gave her horse tranquillizer to sedate her so Paul could rape her as a present to him. She OD and died on Christmas, from what I remember.

Both of them need to be hanging from a sturdy tree.

Karla gave Tammy Halothane, an anaesthetic, which burned Tammy's face and was totally visible but somehow they said it was carpet burn or something.

The reason Karla gave her sister to Paul as a "present" was because Paul was angry that she (Karla) wasn't a virgin and she had to make it up to him.

Why are straight guys so obsessed with virgins?

Karla is also on video giving her unconscious sister oral sex, at Paul’s request.

R52 I’m pretty sure most straight men aren’t like that. Weirdo.

Apparently Karla and her husband have split, she has left him with the kids and is now living with a police officer somewhere else in Canada.

They're Canadian. They said "I'm sorry" and the court let them go.

R55 - for real? That is not a police officer I would want policing anything if that’s the judgment he shows. Assuming it’s a he. I can totally see a dyke cop getting mixed up with her, though.

You’d have to be fat, ugly and depressed to call these 2 Barbie and Ken.

R47...I know that look. My dear old (101 yesterday) gets that look when he talks about his time in Alaska during WW2

R53 Her sister had her menstrual cycle at the time, and if you read the transcript of the tape she expresses disgust at that, but not at you know, GIVING HEAD TO HER FUCKING UNDERAGE SISTER!

Oh, and Paul also wanted Karla to have sex with a dog while he watched, but she refused to do that. But again, she would assault her sister.

She has sanpaku eyes.

R55, I heard that she left her husband, but didn't know she was with a police officer.

Can someone paste the transcript of the assault? And other incriminating statements by Karla?

Fascinating, yet very disturbing, read. Karla Homolka’s ass should still be in prison.

the sisters death was determined a natural death even with a chemical burn on her face.

Ken was just pissed that he didn't have a dick (and Barbie did).

Wonk-eyed Crackhead Barbie and Tard-face Cookie Smeller Ken.

This transcript of a home video they made months after killing her sister is sickening

Why anyone would think these two dead-eyed zombies were good looking us beyond me.

Karla kind of had that Siobhan Fahey look, the dollar store crackhead hooker version.

R68 that is sick! I never realized how much she enjoyed it and wanted to continue those acts on other girls.

R69 If Nick and Aaron Carter had a son, it would look like that guy.

At least Karla ha a very high IQ.

R73 Does IQ stand for Infamous Queefer in Canada?

Idiot Quotient.

R68 who or what is “Snuffles?” They are some sick fucks.

r55 considering the quality of cops in this fucking country, I'm not surprised.

r33 that's bullshit. The tapes had *nothing* to do with the correct prosecution of both offenders. A plea deal with Holmolka was not necessary. It was a political decision made at the highest level (I believe it got to Allan Rock, then AG)

They had DNA on Bernardo as the Scarborough rapist they didn't even fucking test at the time, b/c they generally don't give a shit re: sex crimes in Ontario. Given we don't have a death penalty, he could've been charged as a serial rapist w/that DNA, plus other evidence, declared a dangerous offender and he'd get the same sentence as a 1st degree murder charge.[He was given a DO label] Holmolka could then have been charged with various offenses (possibly including 1st degree murder) in relation to the girls. Seek a DO designation for her, too. Bernardo claimed she killed them. Take a good look at the forensics, and go over them w/a fine tooth comb. As someone upthread noted, there was evidence of that.

Even if the tapes would've come to light at that point, it wouldn't have mattered re: Holmolka, in fact it probably would've cemented the case against her.

The problem was the political optics of not charging him w/the girls' murders. The parents were close to at least one of the detectives. IIRC, they had a lot of involvement in the investigation, even more so than was usual at the time. [Not that there's anything wrong with that per se.] After everything hit the fan, there were rumours that the parents were told of the possibility and were very upset.

R74 R75 At least her IQ is very superior to yours…,

R78 Karla’s IQ matches your waist size moonfaced Ewwdwin/Edweena.

I believe Karla killed all 3 girls, wanting to keep Paul to herself, or not wanting to be replaced. I think she turned him in out of jealousy, because he wasn’t paying her the attention he wanted. I think she also knew enough that the girls needed to be killed to silence them. To think someone as sick in the head as her is walking around free.

They're both bottle blondes. I remember they suddenly became brunette in prison. It was jarring because all of the photos in the media were blonde.

It was like when the older Menendez brother showed up to trial bald. In prison, he wasn't allowed his hair loss medication or something.

What was going on in 1991 in the U.S. that this wasn't covered in the media. I was 11 then and remember the Persian Gulf War early in the year and Jeffrey Dahmer's horrific crimes being discovered. Anything else?

Did Paul Bernardo have female admirers like Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, and the young Boston bomber from a few years back who even appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone? IMO, he's attractive enough, even sexy in some pictures. He's definitely much better looking than most serial killers.

R82 - the system was a clusterfuck of epic proportions- which is why I think the media was banned from reporting anything. They kept going on about not wanting to re-traumatize the families, but I can’t see that the families wouldn’t have been outraged, not sitting back wanting their privacy.

R69 Yeah I don’t see Barbie and Ken at all. They look like white trash.

R79 I don‘t even know what you’re talking about. You sound ancient.

his victims noted he was attractive. some observed a woman at the scene who was video taping the assault , the cops dismissed this detail as hysteria. that photo those placed in their victims coffin is chilling.

I lived in Western NY during that time and this was covered every day in our local media. They were/are sick fucks and Karla should still be in prison.

Bernardo may have had some groupies but in Canada the trial was not an open courtroom and was not televised so sickos had no access to him.

Bernardo managed to write and self publish a best seller on amazon for a brief time before it was removed from the website. What a fucking piece of shit. From his Wikipedia page:

"In November 2015, Bernardo self-published A MAD World Order, a violent, fictional, 631-page e-book on Amazon.[34] By November 15, the book was reportedly an Amazon bestseller, but was removed from the website due to a public outcry.[35]"

Why was it pulled? What did he write about?

I'm the person whose sister is obsessed with these two. She told me once that the worst thing she ever read is a transcript of a tape made by the Toolbox Killers. I have never read it myself (I'm a wimpy queen), but my sister has consumed sick and gorey stuff since she was a kid, so is she was disturbed by it, it must be REALLY bad.

R76 "Snuffles" is Paul's nickname for his penis. No, I am not joking.

Karla reminds me of Ghislaine Maxwell.

R91 It was pulled because fucking pieces of shit predator killers like Bernardo are not allowed to skirt the system and have unregulated access to internet to interact with unknowing public at large or publish their fetish shit online while incarcerated as a Dangerous Offender (specific and heinous status in Canada) and hey...jump onto google anytime you want, create a blog about chopping people up, chat with other deviants about how great serial killing is. No.

Buzzfeed list of infamous couple killers.

19 has always freaked me out the most.

9 sounds like a DLer.

[quote]In 1947, conman Raymond Fernandez responded to Martha Beck's "lonely hearts" ad in the paper. After realizing she wasn't as rich as he surmised, he left her; however, Beck still pursued Fernandez into 1948. He finally told her that he was a conman and swindled women out of their money, but instead of running away, Beck asked to become his accomplice. The two went on to swindle and kill between 3 to 17 women over the next year under the guise of being brother and sister. Beck and Fernandez were found guilty of first-degree murder and sentenced to death via electric chair. They died in 1951.

There was also Erika and Benjamin Sifrit. Thrill-kill couple. IIRC, Benjamin was found not guilty, Erika was found guilty. She was so dumb that she wore the dead man's jewelry (or something really obvious like that).

Karla and Paul had nothing on Fred and Rose West. The stuff of nightmares

In the summer of 1995, I sat in for a day of this trial. Homolka was testifying. Bernardo's lawyer (who, despite defending a piece of shit, did an excellent job) grilled her. It was like a cat-and-mouse game. Homolka referred to herself not as a victim but as a "survivor". Her baby/Valley Girl voice was irritating. I found her utterly obnoxious.

I live in Toronto and I hadn't heard that she left her husband.

I have to admit, for a long time, the news (especially the Toronto Sun) kept tabs on her but there hasn't been much said about Homolka in some time.

R99 maybe because she's female and Canada is very woke. They probably think she was just another victim of Bernardo and that she had it worse because she had to witness the murders and live with the memories. That's how they think. Always making excuses for female criminals and making them the victims.

r97 no they're both inside. The guy was the honorman of his BUD/s class (Navy SEAL). Given they're the dirtbags of SpecOps, I'm not shocked.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eddie Gallagher has bodies on him stateside, either (or at least off base when he deployed). It's a fine line between training extreme men who are able to kill on command, and recruiting psycho/sociopaths who are enlisting to live out their pathologies.

I can't believe Karla married her lawyer's brother. I get that everyone has a legal right to their defense, but given all the evidence the lawyer saw, can you imagine your reaction to your brother saying "Yep, I'm into her!"

R99, As a result of this thread I re-read Invisible Darkness by Stephen Williams and Finding Karla Homolka by Paula Todd, she's a journalist who went to Guadalupe to try to interview her. Williams describes the cross-examination and how Karla never broke a sweat, that she bested the lawyers. When Todd met her she didn't find her cunning or smart, she just had one technique, which was to answer a question with another question. R100, I'm Canadian and I very much doubt that any Canadian thinks that she's a victim.

Known victims of Fred and Rosemary West

Killed by Fred West:

Ann McFall, 18, his children's nanny and pregnant by Fred, disappeared in 1967

Catherine Costello, his first wife, last heard of in 1971

Killed by Rose West:

Charmaine West, 8, disappeared in 1971

Killed by the couple:

Lynda Gough, 18, vanished in April 1973

Carole Ann "Caz" Cooper, 15, reported missing in November 1973

Lucy Partington, 21, went missing late December 1973

Therese Siegenthaler, 21, disappeared over Easter 1974

Shirley Hubbard, 15, went missing November 1974

Juanita Mott, 18, disappeared April 1975

Shirley Anne Robinson, 18, lodger who was pregnant with Fred's child, last seen May 1978

Alison Chambers, last seen in August 1979

Heather West, disappeared in 1987 at age 16

Why do incels like R100 keep posting their bullshit even when it's obviously not true? There was massive public outrage over the deal Homolka got. The press repeatedly referred to it as a deal with the devil. When she was released the Canadian government applied to have her declared a dangerous offender after the fact so they could impose greater restrictions on her. A politician who publicly stated the restrictions were too severe was forced to publicly apologize. There was more outrage when the courts later lifted the restrictions. The police in the town where she was rumored to be settling in after her release were flooded with callers demanding they do something to prevent it. She had trouble finding either/both doctors and nurses willing to provide care during her first pregnancy. When parents at her children's school discovered who she was (because the press went door to door warning people she was living in their community) they wanted her out. She was denied the right to legally change her name. Every public poll taken results in a majority saying she does not deserve any kind of privacy. She has moved repeatedly and every time her location is discovered the same thing happens because she is a pariah everywhere.

There is ZERO evidence of any widespread sympathy for this woman or perception of her as a victim in the press or anywhere else.

r103 Paula Todd is a complete cunt. She didn't "try to interview her" she tried to coerce her. According to Todd herself, she somehow "got hold of a document she [Homolka] would need" and offered to return the document in exchange for an interview.

I'd take anything she says with a large dish of salt.

We used to have a couple of Canadian media insiders who posted here. Maybe they'll see this and fill in more detail.

The Toronto Sun used to track down Homolka regularly. Now, I don't read the Sun but have they given up tracking her down? Did Homolka get some kind of restraining order or legal injunction against them?

It used to be about once a year we would get a Homolka update and people would be outraged about how well she was living. I remember Tim Hortons had to do damage control when an interview emerged of Homolka released from prison in an interview saying she wanted to go to Tim Hortons for some drink.

Karla is a cold hearted witch

FUN FACT:

DL fave Misha Collins played Paul Bernardo in the film KARLA starring alongside That 70s Show actress Laura Prepon as the title character.

Misha is very proud of this film and just loves it when fans question him about the making of it as well as bring DVD copies for him to autograph.

Not according to IMDB

[quote] Since the film's release, Misha Collins has said that he regrets participating in it. He said that he was unaware of the infamy and strong emotions in Canada surrounding the crimes. After a telephone conversation with a victim who managed to escape, he now routinely tells people not to watch the film, especially when it comes up at Supernatural (2005) conventions. Occasionally, fans ask him to sign their DVDs of the film.

I remember when that film was in the pre-production stages, my sister sent me an email petition requesting that the filmmakers stop production. I loathed the idea of them making a film about this but I also don't believe in censorship so I declined to sign it. I don't know why anyone would want to make a film about them and especially call it Karla since it gave more press to the woman herself. Didn't Law and Order do an episode inspired by Bernardo and Homolka's relationship?

Misha likes to use the excuse that no one and he means absolutely ZERO Americans had ever even heard of Paul Bernardo and Karla but that is such bullshit.

I was 13 when Paul and Karla were profiled on a segment of HBO's Autopsy series.

R112 MIsha is from Boston.

They arent well known here in the US unless you're a true crime buff. They're no Bundy or Dahmer, etc etc.

We have enough homegrown horror for the general population.

I knew of their names for years but only very recently heard a podcast on the case. They are monsters, it was so distressing to listen to.

Misha claims he thought the script was a work of fiction and not based on real people but don't actors normally research the scripts they receive much less agree to star in? It just doesn't make any sense...

No need to make films idolizing these fucking creeps. I did watch the film starring Brian Dennehy made in the 80s about the killer clown and think it's excellent but no more films, please.

From what I know. Paul was just a serial rapist and did not seem interested in killing his victims unlike Karla entered the picture. It seems Karla got off on torturing and seeing the victims die. Also, probably in her twisted mind was a way to keep Paul loyal to her. As she could just blackmail him about the murders. She was definitely extremely manipulative. This is one of those cases where two very disturbed people happen upon one another and reek havoc. Karla should be rotting in jail along with Paul.

I'm always completely confused about how people like this meet and find out they're into the same sorts of things. It seems like bringing it up randomly is likely to completely creep out the vast majority of people who are normal.

Homolka should have been sterilized so she couldn't spawn. But of course we don't do that to people. In some cases maybe we should. Homolka also sexed up a prison guard for favours and manipulated a lesbian lover in prison to get lingerie and a computer and stuff. She is a class A manipulator. There's a good Fifth Estate or Passionate Eye doc about her, the deal, her prison life and post release life.

This picture (which they placed on Tammy's casket) will always send chills down my spine. What a fucked-up thing to do.

Pics of her face beaten black and blue were used to defend her as a victim from Bernardo. Ridiculous. KB was into that sick shit,. Being masochistic and depraved is how she keeps getting men including her partner in crime, the brother of her lawyer and now, the cop! I think second hubby hooked up with her for 🥫 citizenship.

I will never sleep again, R121. That is terrifying!

I'm actually really surprised this relationship is not being glamorized like all the other sick, toxic relationships like Bonnie and Clyde, Harley Quinn and Joker or Sid and Nancy. There's a whole subculture of glamorizing serial killers like the Columbine shooters, Elliot Rodgers, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc.

The scary thing about Paul Bernardo is he looks mostly normal albeit with a forced dorky smile. Add the blond hair and blue eyes. I can see why he had a job in sales and was also able to lure so many victims. He looks very harmless and I imagine he was charming like many psychopaths. Karla on the other hand looks like batshit drunken crazy trailer park bitch with her droopy eyelids and dull, empty gaze and creepy grin.

This picture (which they placed on Tammy's casket) will always send chills down my spine. What a fucked-up thing to do.

The eyes don't lie.

R125 A job in sales? Bernardo could never hold a job. Yes he did work in sales and accounting but mostly ran lightweight scams like smuggling cigarettes and shit.

R118 There's a psychological term that I forget for when two toxic people get together and basically feed each other neurosis. I think that's what happened there. Though, he may have still escalated to murder had they not met. He started out as a peeper, then he stole underwear, then he started raping. That's a common trajectory for many serial killers. There's also a theory that Tammy's death really was an accident and that when they got away with it, it spurned them to kill again.

R119 When he told her he was a serial rapist, she thought it was "cool."

How come Bernardo never raped any men/boys?

R111 Yes, there's an episode of Law & Order based on the case ("Fools For Love"). There's also two different SVU episodes ("Pure" and "Damaged"), an episode of CSI ("Bittersweet), two Criminal Minds ("A Perfect Storm" and "Mr. & Mrs. Anderson"), and one from the short-lived series Close to Home ("Truly, Madly, Deeply").

Actress Mary Mara plays the Homolka standi-in both one on the SVUs ("Pure") and one of the Criminal Minds (Mr. and Mrs. Anderson).

R130 He wasn’t into scat? Most boys don’t walk around douched and ready.

The Misha movie portrayed Karla as a victim of Paul which is one of the reasons it caused understandable outrage.

The picture of Karla beaten black and blue was the only time he beat her and she left him immediately and I think, went straight to the cops. She was not a victim of domestic violence except that one time.

I saw the one interview that she gave after she was released from prison (where she spoke in lousy French) and her lack of remorse and entitlement was astounding to me. That said she does have this creepy charisma.

R132 I think he WAS into scat though. I seem to recall he told one victim that he was gonna shit on her, but couldn't.

The now-defunct site Crime Library has a good overview of them.

R134 why couldn't he?

Hybristophila is a MI where women are attracted to killers. Not all that uncommon apparently. A woman on the NYS Parole board seems to have it. She did a sprung on her killer, so she could get him out. She found him, 'feel in love' & married him while he was still in the joint, then bingo he got paroled.

.So, are Karla's 2 male husbands also afflicted with this disease? One her lawyer's brother, the newer one a cop. Never knew men could also have Hybristophila since it is listed as a condition affecting women.

R137 it certainly affects some of the gay DLers around here if Chris Watts and that Boston bomber kid are any indication.

R137, I think it's more that straight men will fuck anything.

But why didn't Misha research the role?

Is this not what actors do?

There was huge controversy around the movie especially here in Canada. They were like pariahs because nobody wanted to be associated with it nor did anybody approve of its making. I don't even know if it got a release here in Canada. The only time I have seen a copy of the DVD was in Value Village.

Canadian (and DL fave) Jason Priestly was originally cast as Paul in the movie Karla. He dropped out because he said his family got mad at him for taking the role.

[quote]There's a psychological term that I forget for when two toxic people get together and basically feed each other neurosis.

On top of Karla's hybristophilia, evident when his status as a serial rapist was no impediment to a relationship and her willingness to feed his compulsions, the couple appeared to be engaged in a Folie à deux. It's a shared neurosis (god, how many couples does this describe?) but rather a shared psychosis or delusional system. I shudder to think what their precise thoughts and feelings were.

I wonder if Bernardo kept up with her from prison and what he thinks about her freedom and subsequent relationships. Mad enough to want to rape and kill her?

I vaguely recall Linda Evangilista either setting up a fund or loudly protesting for the victims of Bernardo and Karla back in the day. She was from St Catherines.

I lived on Long Island back then and it was a huge deal in our news during their trial.

r129 Folie a deux. That's not what's happening here, though. There's no personality disorder or paranoia on the part of one that influenced/triggered the other's issues. This is two sexually deviant psychopaths who found each other.

Bernardo hates Karla. If you watch that police interview with him posted above the cops ask him to confirm something Karla said about his whereabouts concerning a potential victim.

R146 I think he genuinely hates women. He tolerated her and married her because she did whatever he wanted.

I read a book about them and he liked to sleep alone, but wanted her to stay in their bedroom, so she slept on the floor. He did eventually get her an air mattress.

submissive to the point of insanity,this is attractive to many men. I watched that report of outraged parents who learned after the fact she volunteered at her children's school. The report included footage of her being released from prison, she literally couldn't wait to get out. No remorse even after raping and killing her own sister but felt entitled to be done with it all and free. It didn't even occur to her to a. not have children b. not volunteer causing embarrassment and potential lawsuits for the school admin who were forced to admit they didn't background check volunteers.

She’s a sociopath. No doubt.

R148 In the Ghislaine Maxwell thread, I mentioned a great deleted Reddit post about her being a "pick me." I had never heard that term before, but its basically a woman who will do anything to get male attention. They hate other women and will throw them under a bus for a man/men.

I wish I had taken a screenshot of it. The person who posted it posted it as a rebuttal to the stupid fraus insisting that Maxwell was Epstein's "victim."

Just like Karla.

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Hybristophilia is definitely real. I know many girls who are completely okay dating thugs and criminals. Sometimes it's motivated by the exciting lifestyle and adrenaline rush. There's also a certain prestige of being a gangster wife. I think in Karla's case, she was extremely sadistic and kinky. Got excited by the murder and rape. She was sub to Paul's dom.

I don't think this is as common in gay relationships. Though certainly still happens. In that movie The Living End, the gay couple had that vibe. The uptight writer who was poz was obsessed with his violent criminal boyfriend and couldn't break away from him.

the younger sisters autopsy photo is readily available through a 5 second google search. How did the medical examiner conclude her death was natural with a disfiguring chemical burn covering most of her face?

R153 Canadians

i don't know if this is a Canadian thing or a universal I don't want to do my job thing. The killer clown had a record going back decades and still received security clearance to meet with Rosalyn Carter.

Two of Canada’s finest. I was thinking Paul looked good in this photo.

R153, Tammy was killed over Christmas, some think her autopsy was pushed through because it was a holiday. But there was police incompetence throughout Paul's criminal career. He would have been caught for the rapes, but if Karla hadn't come forward I don't think he would have been caught for the murders.

it is one thing to push an investigation to completion due to staff shortages but that chemical burn on the victims face is violently,obviously unnatural. More than one person looked the other way, why?

I think the investigators were able to let it go because they weren’t willing to go to the darker place of accepting that this attractive couple could have something to do with it. Especially since Karla was the victim’s sister. I have to wonder what would have happened if this took place in America.

r156 That's Luka Magnotta, not Paul.

R111 yes Law and Order had that episode about the woman who helped rape and kill her sister for her boyfriend. In the show she tried to be a victim but then revealed as a willing participant. That chick from Grey’s Anatomy played the Karla based character perfectly!