Kristin Davis Stand-In "Chris Noth Groped Me On Set"

[quote]About a year later, Chris Noth pointed to another stand-in and said, “I want that one tied up, gagged, and brought to my trailer.” When he got near me, I balled up my fists, squared my shoulders, and said, “This is my and her space.” He backed up, dramatically putting his hands up in the air and said, “Whoa, there, little lady!”

I shouldn't be laughing, but sorry, I am. I don't want to diminish anyone's pain, but good lord. Maybe just cause I can imagine worse fates than being groped by Chris Noth, but I suppose that's just the homo slut in me.

He harassed stand-ins on the set of SATC. That's going to be a problem for SJP.

He could have been joking too. Maybe poor taste in today's atmosphere but still joking.

The hilarious part of this is that she's spilled the set tea on numerous occasions but asked for her old stand-in job back. Gurl, that's not how Hollywood works.

I just think it's odd that women come forward so much later instead of saying something at the time it occurred.

Well coming forward at the time does cost you an income, which the rich don't need but the poor do r5. And I'm sure HR lies all the time about that, promising confidentiality and blah blah blah no retaliation but delivering firings and bannings. So I do get that part. I do think, though, people years later are perfectly capable of lying, exaggerating, and easily turn minor discomfort into traumatic assault.

[quote] The hilarious part of this is that she's spilled the set tea on numerous occasions but asked for her old stand-in job back.

She did say in the article that she suspected she wouldn't get her job back, because she blabbed about her time on set - she decided to try anyways

"OMG! OMG! It was such a traumatic experience working on SATC!!! BTW, can I do it again?"

I'm smelling a single season for AJLT. I also suspect that the plan for revival of the original series was postponed until the heat from #metoo had died down. But it actually seems to have fanned the flames.

[quote]He could have been joking too. Maybe poor taste in today's atmosphere but still joking.

FFS, that's an excuse?

Would you wear a.suspicipusly oversized coat to a meeting in the White House and joke to the security detail that "it's a nice day for an assassination" ?

People understand the rules of expectation in this case. Noth just thought he could get away "joking" (a term ascribed after the fact) about a hot.piece of ass to show that he was the one with the.poqer to joke and she was the piece of meat, the expendable, presumably fuckable one.

This is a problem. There is a huge difference between flirting, even in a somewhat offensive manner, and real sexual abuse. Making silly jokes about wanting somebody is on such a different level from demanding that they fuck you or lose their job. But we have decided to throw all that into some big pile of "abuse," and it's so stupid.

R11, in a workplace nobody should be made to listen to some grabby fucker belittle them as just a goodlooking presentation of a set of holes to take the loads of more important people in the organization.

Would you describe in rich detail sexual situations with your boss, speculating on his dick or ass or balls, all loudly in his presence so he could overhear it and enjoy your joke? With a colleague who is not a close friend in on your "joke"? I imagine not, but you'd think it was fucking hysterical to describe loudly the things you'd like to do to the new intern's ass so that he could begin to appreciate your "sense of humor"?

Nobody in this thread is confusing physical abuse, rape, of physical assault with laying out vulgar rapey threatening scenarios (described as if the object of them wasn't sitting right there in the same space.) That you think everything is in good haha fun unless the chick ends up dead in a ditch tells a lot about you.

It's simple human courtesy not to treat people like that, not to make work colleagues uncomfortable with your innuendo about tieing up and gagging and fucking them while they are helpless. Oh but what a laugh you are. Goddamn, this sort of shit was last "funny" in 1960s TV, but you never caught on.

People joke. People laugh. Maybe not you, because you are bitter and sad. But most people laugh and joke, and yes, it does not generally lead to some "chick dead in a ditch." And yes, that makes the two situations different. Conflating them makes you stupid and silly and ridiculous. That is the problem with you, and with a lot of people when it comes to this whole issue. Most people can tell the difference. Some people are just too sad and stupid to ever tell the difference.

You're a moron R13. Go ahead and make the same joke to one of your work colleagues and report back to us eh? See how much that kind of talk is tolerated. Harassment is not abuse but it's still harassment and there's a reason it's not allowed at work.

How was this guy ever considered a sex symbol?

"Harassment" is not always harassment r14. A lot of it is complete horseshit that really, truly, deep down doesn't matter at all. And no, the experiment of testing this in every bitter and stupid office in this bitter and stupid country is not definitive.

Why would they need stand ins on SATC?

Hasn't she spoken up before about how toxic the SATC set was? I recall an article where she raved about how Kristen Davis was so nice to her and offered her a ride home once and gave her a dress. But, wasn't SO nice as to speak up about on-set sexual harassment.

If this article gains traction, not a good look for the 3 ladies, who together posted an instagram story (that disappears) saying they believe women........now that there are articles written about them but not so much when they were harassed and groped on your own set.

[quote] Why would they need stand ins on SATC?

Every TV show and film, it take a long time to light a set, It can four even five hours. (for those soap watchers on DL, remember how shitty Guiding Light looked in its last year)

so you get the idea, Because it can take HOURS to light a set just right, the actors (and this is EVERY actor) does not want to stand on set for five hours to get the lighting done, Which is why stand-ins are hired, so they can step in for the actor when the lighting is done.

and when things are ready, then they bring the actors on set,.

Some people on this thread are dismissing this woman's story, saying "so it was just a joke"

This is NOT a joke, she was actually GROPED by Chris Noth,. He put his hand on her back, slid it down to her ass, then grabbed her butt

Now you tell me, what work place is this type of behavior acceptable.

[quote]How was this guy ever considered a sex symbol?

Mary/gurlfriend get away from gaytown and visit the straight world for a few seconds.

I am female and in the 80s was an aspiring actress and supported myself teaching aerobics and cocktail waitressing. I worked in sales for major hotels in the 90s. I was really pretty and nice and fun and there were a million guys that acted that way. There is a definite way you respond - there is a middle ground - you can be pleasant and friendly but give the “Thank you I’m flattered - but I’m not that kind of girl” and 9 times out 10 that ends it. …. The 3 girls in the original accusations were in bad situations and I feel badly for them - but this stand in being that traumatized by him is weird. (

R22 yeah agreed, it's a grey area that would've been a non-story without the other 3 women.

To the stand-in: honey, if you think SATC wasn't calling you back before don't hold your breath now

R22 what would you do is someone put their hand on your back, slid it down your ass, then grabbed your butt

this may be a male/female thing. I can't imagine being all that upset by a groping from a handsome man, back when that happened to me some time ago. Honestly, r24 I would either be flattered or get over it quickly. At gay bars, that actually happened sometimes to me, and I was startled but definitely not traumatized by it. Did that ever happen to you? Was it disturbing, so much that you cared about it weeks afterwards? Not trying to be snarky (for once), honestly curious.

[quote] I would either be flattered or get over it quickly. At gay bars, that actually happened sometimes to me, and I was startled but definitely not traumatized by it. Did that ever happen to you? Was it disturbing, so much that you cared about it weeks afterwards? Not trying to be snarky (for once), honestly curious.

If that happened to me, I would move away and say "Please don't touch me" - most people this happens to are in a subordinate position, and the person doing it is a superior. So they have no choice but to put up with it, as they don't want to lose their job.

I just don't that type of behavior is tolerated in the workplace anymore - no matter what the workplace environment is.

R24 The stand-in did not say Noth grabbed her butt, only that he placed his hand on the small of her back and motioned downwards. My reading of the article is that, if Noth had grabbed or made contact with her butt, she would have made this clear.

This article is in contrast to the other 3 women, who had collaborating witnesses/documentation they were subjected to nonconsensual anal penetration/sex.

grabbing, I agree r26. grabbing in the workplace, I think most people just would not. Flirting? Well, that I think gets more ambiguous.

[quote] The stand-in did not say Noth grabbed her butt, only that he placed his hand on the small of her back and motioned downwards.

She writes

The first time the “alpha male” actor slid his hand down my back and over my butt, I flinched. I was in my mid-20’s and had worked as an extra on movie sets for over a decade; I had never been manhandled. “That’s your spot, sweetie,” Noth said, inching even closer.

R5, weird how people disbelieve women if they wait a few years to come forward.....but they automatically believe any guy who says he was molested by a priest in 1965

R25, weird, it's almost like men and women are different! There is so much hostility on this site towards trans people, and yet some people cling to the old notion that a gay man is a woman trapped in a man's body, so they must think a straight woman would react to things the same way gay men do...

#mememetoo

He literally RAPED ME!!!! with his eyes

[quote]Now you tell me, what work place is this type of behavior acceptable.

The Kennedy and Clinton White Houses?

[quote] Now you tell me, what work place is this type of behavior acceptable.

In the 21st Century

well, I agree r31. I think one huge difference is that rape is a thing women think about and men, generally, don't. It can happen, yes, absolutely, it can happen to men. but women think about it more, and have all sorts of rules about having your housekey ready, etc. And men just don't. As a man, I can say I wander all over towns sometimes without the thought of rape, and I don't think women ever do.

And I think that plays into this. Grabbing, taunting, playing with, flirting, the whole damn bit, I suspect a lot of it plays into fears of rape. And I think that is a big difference actually.

R29 I stand corrected. Believe women (pumps fist into the air)

It should be said back in 1970s early 80s and even in the 90s

It perfectly acceptable for a man to give a woman a pat on the butt, as a show of endearment

R31 we don't really care about trans people or their perceived "human rights" they allegedly don't have somehow, we just wish they would stop hijacking the gay rights movement and hiding amongst the LGBTQIA+ acronym, trying to self-id into womens' protected spaces, shamelessly using hyperbole, pseudo-science, and bullying to get what they want, taking over the already-inclusive rainbow flag and other symbols to center themselves, and forcing us to use specific words of phrases such as ridiculous custom pronouns on threat of suicide or murder by axe. That's all.

#22 here - the butt grabbing is one of the things that is a non starter - if you let a guy get handsy with you in public it is a green light for him to continue or other guys for that matter. If he slid his hand down and grabbed my butt and it was Chris Noth I might have said in a friendly way - “ Whoops - I think we just bumped into each other! For a second there I was worried that you grabbed me! Whew! …… Was Jerry Orbach fun to work with?”

If she has spoken up at the time, they would have replaced her.

But there's the thing, R40, if she had... it's maybe 50/50 she kept her job. Because Noth has the power, she let him off the hook, and he could have a quiet word she'd never know about and she'd be gone. "I heard that stand in say something pretty unflattering about Kristin. It was inappropriate. I don't know what you want to do but I wanted you to know."

He sounds disgusting.

R34 don't forget Trump tower.

[quote]I just think it's odd that women come forward so much later instead of saying something at the time it occurred.

Because most of it is made up.

I don't know about made up r45. Definitely some exaggerating going on. Believe Women is a stupid slogan. Listen to Women, yeah, that is a sensible approach to this whole thing.

Chris Noth had unrequited love for Kristen Davis!

[quote] she was actually GROPED … He put his hand on her back, slid it down to her ass, then grabbed her butt

R20 You talk as though you were there in the room at the time.

[quote] You talk as though you were there in the room at the time.

She writes

The first time the “alpha male” actor slid his hand down my back and over my butt, I flinched. I was in my mid-20’s and had worked as an extra on movie sets for over a decade; I had never been manhandled. “That’s your spot, sweetie,” Noth said, inching even closer.

Well, R49, that tells us that R20 wasn't in the room at the time.

Third-hand gossip = Chinese whispers

[quote] Third-hand gossip = Chinese whispers

It can't be "Third-hand gossip" - when the person in question is saying it happened.

Unless you don't believe the victim either

Or you think someone putting their hand on a woman's butt is not groping

"Believe Women!" … regardless.

The thing is that he was extreme handsome and masculine, on a hit show, and he clearly believed that he could get away with it. If he had looked like JFK Jr, would the women still complain? Would he have gotten away with it?

Women are so weird about a little silliness.

That and workplace sexual harassment and rape and all.

Pfffft.

R31, you could say broadly that men and women are different, yes; and you could also say individual people are different from all other individuals. You could also say women of a particular time and place are different from women from a different time and place. “Taking care of the home” is a right-wing euphemism for “not doing much that really matters,” from a man’s perspective. It’s a negative and demeaning gender role that is supposed to define “femininity”. Yet women were manufacturing clothing out of raw material in the home - is that somehow less “work” than a man leading a mule plow outside? There were women who milked cows, milkmaids, hardly dainty work. Women a hundred years ago who worked in textile factories or painted. Groping is only offensive if the person who does it has little respect for you and thinks he owns you in some way. As if to say, this person is not really a person, this person doesn’t have power in society. I’m posting a link about changing roles of women over the course of centuries in Japan.

I think that this woman was troubled about a lot of other things in her life in the first place. I would imagine that the set of SATC in it’s hay day with the money, success and subject matter would be a pretty fun fun sexy place to be. I’m the ex cocktail waitress (that sounds gross!) from earlier in the thread. I remember one night at work a guy tried to grope me and I stopped dead in my tracks and said firmly- “Please - DON’T do that again.” - The guy threw his hands up in surrender and said something like” Hey - I’m sorry! I had to at least give it a shot - SOME women like it!” …. You have to wonder how many women got hit on by Noth and ate it up with a spoon. He was pretty swoon worthy back then…… Off topic - The WORST cocktail waitressing memory were some Neanderthal men who would throw your tip on the floor because they wanted to watch you bend over and pick it up. I would never pick it up.

The WORST cocktail waitressing memory were some Neanderthal men who would throw your tip on the floor because they wanted to watch you bend over and pick it up. I would never pick it up. /quote

you go gurl!

The WORST cocktail waitressing memory were some Neanderthal men who would throw your tip on the floor because they wanted to watch you bend over and pick it up. I would never pick it up. [/quote]

you go gurl!

[/quote] The WORST cocktail waitressing memory were some Neanderthal men who would throw your tip on the floor because they wanted to watch you bend over and pick it up. I would never pick it up.

you go gurl!

[quote] The WORST cocktail waitressing memory were some Neanderthal men who would throw your tip on the floor because they wanted to watch you bend over and pick it up. I would never pick it up.

you go gurl!

R53- Extreme Handsome - Chris Noth?

He's a C+ at best in the looks deparment

The President of the ad agency I worked for showed nude photos of himself on his motorcycle to our 19 year old female interns in addition to hitting on young female co workers. Eventually his wife left him and he got fired. Sometimes it’s hard to believe this shit happens until you actually see these creeps in action.

[quote]He could have been joking too. Maybe poor taste in today's atmosphere but still joking.

If he's joking, he definitely deserves to get fired. He's 60 yrs old and he thinks opening his employer up to a lawsuit is cute? He's almost as stupid and pathetic as you are

[quote]I am female and in the 80s was an aspiring actress and supported myself teaching aerobics and cocktail waitressing. I worked in sales for major hotels in the 90s. I was really pretty and nice and fun and there were a million guys that acted that way. There is a definite way you respond - there is a middle ground - you can be pleasant and friendly but give the “Thank you I’m flattered - but I’m not that kind of girl” and 9 times out 10 that ends it. …. The 3 girls in the original accusations were in bad situations and I feel badly for them - but this stand in being that traumatized by him is weird.

Look at this trash blaming the victim. She's excusing a rapist and a serial abuser. Women like you are why these horrible men continue to do these types of things

I think rapists are mostly responsible for the raping r64.

He moved his hand down her back and touched her butt quickly once and she has been traumatized ever since?

[quote] touched her butt quickly once

She said "slid his hand down my back and over my butt"

That is NOT "quickly once"

#64 - that was a nasty thing to say to me - to call me trash - why don’t you reach through the screen and slap me across the face - I wasn’t defending Noth - I said the first 3 women had awful stories - never mind. You have embarrassed me and made me cry. I won’t trouble anyone with my opinion again.

[quote] She said

But she didn't say if there was flesh-to-fresh contact.

She didn't say she was wearing droopy drawers.

R68 honey you need to toughen up if you're going to come here.

R64 is cunt Rose McGowan.

[quote] Look at this trash blaming the victim. She's excusing a rapist and a serial abuser. Women like you are why these horrible men continue to do these types of things

R64 if you continued to read the thread, R68 later said her getting groped is completely unacceptable. The problem with this thread is people are under the impression it was just smack talk

But when it has been explained that Noth actually touched her butt, then people understand why she is so upset.

guys.....GUYS!!! let's not get side-tracked here.

We are losing sight of the issue here: SATC, which was lauded as such a revolution for women, couldn't even protect the female workers on their own set. SJP is a piece of shit who only cares about getting her final Calcutta. She was the EP for most of the show's original run.

[quote] final Calcutta

Google won't tell me what that is.

[quote]I'm smelling a single season for AJLT. I also suspect that the plan for revival of the original series was postponed until the heat from #metoo had died down. But it actually seems to have fanned the flames.

I agree -- this is going to smear the whole series. I'd be surprised if it goes beyond this one season.

R73 It's an obnoxious line from the show, often referenced to highlight the stellar writing (sarcasm)

It would be interesting to hear from others on Noth's behavior on SATC, and what was already known when he was asked to return for AJLT.

R25 I expect to get my ass grabbed at a gay bar. I don’t expect to get my ass grabbed at work.

[quote]I agree -- this is going to smear the whole series. I'd be surprised if it goes beyond this one season.

if they were smart they'd cancel it. More women are going to come forward. He's a drunken sex predator

Actually -this will allow SJP to save face - “if only those women hadn’t done this to Chris” - if the show fails and gets cancelled she has someone to blame - it wasn’t her fault that it tanked.

To make things clear, the author previously wrote a story for the Independent in the UK (which Muriel is awfully tetchy about) about a year ago in which she described the groping anonymously. She also said that after he did this and commented about binding and gagging another stand-in and tossing her in his trailer, the crew began to play along.

She stood in for Charlotte at the OBGYN office on her back and legs up in stirrups during a long shoot. She made the mistake of falling asleep on her back only to wake up finding some crew guys taping her to the stirrups while taking Poloroids. Nice, right?

" falling asleep"

She gets paid for that?

[quote] SJP is a piece of shit who only cares about getting her final Calcutta

Does she care about any other cities or is it only Calcutta?

[quote] She said "slid his hand down my back and over my butt" ...That is NOT "quickly once"

Did you time it?

I was listening to the annual Andy Cohen and Amy Sedaris radion special and it was being held at one Noth's bars. He was there and Cohen convinced Noth to come on stage and do an impromptu. That motherfucker was SO drunk. It was uncomfortable listening to and he CLEARLY has some kind of problem. Don't know how bad it is BUT a guy that old, that famous and getting THAT drunk in public has some issues.

It seemed harmless BUT I'm not a woman. So that's a whole different experience.

Sorry typing on my phone^^

For those unable to comprehend why someone would stay quiet for years then come forward, this was the first time anyone would listen (and not fire her). If you don’t understand that, you have no empathy. Or perhaps you’ve had the privilege of not being victimized.

These are he-said, she-said situations, and without evidence of the allegations being part of a pattern, good luck being taken seriously.

[quote] I was listening to the annual Andy Cohen and Amy Sedaris radion special and it was being held at one Noth's bars. He was there and Cohen convinced Noth to come on stage and do an impromptu. That motherfucker was SO drunk. It was uncomfortable listening to and he CLEARLY has some kind of problem. Don't know how bad it is BUT a guy that old, that famous and getting THAT drunk in public has some issues.

You voluntarily listen to Andy Cohen and Amy Sedaris on the radio and Noth is uncomfaotrable to listen to? Just watch Andy Cohen on New years Eve on CNN and you'll see a sloppy drunk.

[quote] Did you time it?

So it depends on how long someone hand is on the person butt - so 1 second is not getting groped, but maybe 5 seconds is?

[quote] " falling asleep"

[quote] She gets paid for that?

She was on the stirrups for like five hours so the lighting director could light the scene. I've read many examples of soap stars who have said when their character is in a coma, many of them have fallen asleep during the scene where they are in the coma.

Please, word has it they were all flirting with him on set. He has a big pendulous dong and they ALL wanted a piece.

R68 People today, especially many (not all) young people, are militant, narrow-minded and unforgiving. Put ‘em on the “pay no mind” list.

Willie Garson goosed me.

R92- Tell me more ( and what does goosed mean?)

To add on to what r89 said, they are on set 16 hours a day. Tack on commute time and there's not much time for sleep.

#91 - Thank you - I think I was tired and that just caught me off guard and embarrassed me. I love DL and have been here for years - if I was that happy and out and about in the world these days I would not look forward to and enjoy DL so much. It made feel bad about one of the few things I enjoy these days. Ok - thank you!

Noth may have been joking. The stand in would need a bag over her head to hit it. the only stand-in that was better looking in that crew was the one for SJP, but that's self explanatory.

How does someone who's been on DL for years not know how to reference another post? A pound sign?

[quote] BUT a guy that old, that famous

And that fat. Don’t forget how fat he’s gotten.

R34, ask Ghislaine Maxwell

It sounds like her experience on the SATC set was terrible, and not just because of Noth. IDK why she'd ask for her old job back, though.

I think she went through all the motions to prove that she wouldn't be rehired after reporting the harassment in piece in the Independent, albeit not disclosing who. And she was correct.

R100 Yeah for me that is what makes her story/claim weak. Not the fact that she was groped and didn't report, but afterwards asking for her old job back. Like, move on honey, there are equivalent/better paying jobs out there.

I get that SATC is a nice gig where you can take a nap for most of the job, but if you are being groped and harassed then move on.

People want what they want.

People want what they want and I'm happy to shun their tiresomeness.

Chris Noth has finally issued a statement about the allegations from Kristin Davis Stand-In

"Her original op-Ed was published in the spring of last year with no subjects named. Now that everyone is piling onto Chris Noth, the timing is unquestionably convenient to drag him into her 'recollection' of events,"

"Chris denies these allegations and there’s never been a single complaint or report about him acting inappropriately on the set of 'Sex and the City.'"

[quote]I was listening to the annual Andy Cohen and Amy Sedaris radion special and it was being held at one Noth's bars. He was there and Cohen convinced Noth to come on stage and do an impromptu. That motherfucker was SO drunk. It was uncomfortable listening to and he CLEARLY has some kind of problem. Don't know how bad it is BUT a guy that old, that famous and getting THAT drunk in public has some issues.

I've posted it earlier that he is a severe alcoholic and he used to get into lots of loud, drunken fights with women in bars. The NY Post and the Daily News used to report about it. He got into a really big fight with his girlfriend (now wife). I think his alcoholism was why he left Law and Order so early in the series.

[quote] he is a severe alcoholic and he used to get into lots of loud, drunken fights with women in bars

Does he still get into lots of loud, drunken fights with women in bars, Louella?

R107 is Freddie Miles.

R87 I love Amy Sedaris. Fortunately, Cohen lets her do her thing during the broadcast because he recognizes how awesome she is.

R98 I wasn't trying to insult the guy (BTW, he would STILL get it) but he's been in this business for quite a while and should be cognizant of his surroundings if he's gonna get sloppy.

I had no idea that Sarah Jessica Parker condoned and encouraged this behavior on the set. It's very disapointing to me.

I am sure SJP didn’t encourage or condone that behavior on the set. I would guess that she didn’t see it - I am sure that she was preoccupied doing her own stuff. You can be sure as playful as the crew might have been - they would not have played like frat boys around her. As much as she and Chris Noth might have joked and flirted I can’t picture him rubbing up against a stand in with SJP standing right there.

He's 67 for Christ's sake, he'll apply for his union pension and live off his residuals.

[quote] He's 67 for Christ's sake, he'll apply for his union pension and live off his residuals.

Which is why Noth recently said "I'll now let the chips fall where they may'"

He has money in the bank, he has his pension, he doesn't have to worry about paying the bills. If his acting career is over, he just retire

The law can't touch him, which is all he cares about

[quote]I am sure SJP didn’t encourage or condone that behavior on the set. I would guess that she didn’t see it - I am sure that she was preoccupied doing her own stuff.

She's a producer, it's her job to handle on set behavior. And this wasn't the first person on set he's harassed/assaulted

SJP refused to deal with the onset harassment

Why would Kristin knowingly expose her understudy to sexual abuse...I smell a lawsuit.