The night Cloris Leachman did not win the Emmy

Also the night Valerie had no eyebrows.

Valerie's dress looks like a pajama top.

Didn't Valerie also win for Best Supporting Actress in 1971?

Valerie seems to be a genuine caring person.

And while MTM may have been cold and wasn't Mary Richards in real life - you can tell Valerie isn't afraid of her or pandering to MTM, the way many costars would have to pander to the star of a series (Yes, I'm looking at you Lucy Balls).

Perhaps it should have been a three-way tie: Sally, Valerie and Cloris. Tough category. Cloris is in a class by herself. She was outstanding and so damn funny as Phyllis on MTM. Love her!

Cloris was fabulous. I think she eventually got an Emmy for something, and I know she got an Oscar for The Last Picture Show. I LOVED Valerie. I literally ran into her once on 8th Street & University Place in the mid-late 90's. I was in college, likely stoned at the time, and totally starstruck. I just blurted out "Rhoda!". She was so graceful and seemed genuinely happy to engage. She looked fantastic. A big white hat and white dress. She thanked me for being a fan. Years later, I had a client who rented out her house in Santa Monica to her for many years. She had only the most wonderful things to say about her, that she was so sweet and pretty cool. She was a real class act, RIP Valerie (and Cloris). Both were so funny.

Love Valarie ! Great lady

r6 enough to spell her name correctly?

I think Leachman has the most Emmys of any actor. (or is tied with Julia Louis-Dreyfuss.)

Cloris won 8 prime-time Emmys (tied with Julia for most wins), in 22 nominations (the most nominations of anyone), plus one daytime Emmy, plus of course the Oscar for The Last Picture Show.

Good so then Cloris technically has more Emmys than Julia. That seems right.

I vaguely remember an interview when MTM was talking really openly about her costars

In response to a question about Cloris, Mary acknowledged Cloris could be difficult but she said it was generally in a way that made the scene better and that Cloris had really good instincts

I mixed up "Cloris" and "clitoris" as a kid.

I remember Cloris saying in an interview that the MTM show was far from a guaranteed hit when it premiered in 1970.

The idea of Mary Tyler Moore getting a series deal from CBS without a pilot to approve was controversial.

And Cloris specifically remembered being in a restaurant and overhearing a table of men complaining about Mary's TV series, saying some like, "Who does she (MTM) think she is? She can't carry a series. She was just Dick Van Dyke's wife."

That was the whole point. A woman making it on her own.

MTM liked to say in interviews that when CBS ran focus-group testing of the first episode

they were told it tested worse than any show in the history of the network's testing

I don't know if that was actually true - it may have been a ploy by CBS to get Mary and Grant Tinker make changes to show that CBS wanted them to make (i.e. eliminating the Jewish character Rhoda or at least not making an issue of her "Jewishness").

Either way, Mary and Grant listened to their instincts...

I loved her as malcolm in the middle's grandmother.

R5 I’m sure in all reality she couldn’t get away from your high, flaming ass fast enough!

MTM was smart to surround herself with probably the best cast in tv history. They all made the show memorable and there wasn’t a dud in the bunch.

V.H. looked 'ethnic', but she wasn't:

"She was of French, English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh ancestry. Harper based her character Rhoda Morgenstern on her Italian stepmother and Penny Ann Green (née Joanna Greenberg), with whom she danced in the Broadway musical Wildcat. She was raised Catholic,although at an early age she "quit" the church."

Valerie was sublime. The entire cast was excellent.

She explains... sort of.

French, English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh are all ethnicities just as much as "Chinese", "African", and "Chicano".

What you're trying to say is, Valerie Harper isn't actually Jewish, like Rhoda, but a whole bunch of mostly Northern European ethnicities.

Judging by her swarthy good looks, I'd say she probably had some Romany in her.

Another fun fact: Nancy Walker who famously played her very Jewish mother Ida Morgenstern, wasn't Jewish either.

Meanwhile, over at The Golden Girls, those famous Sicilians, Dorothy and Sophia Petrillo WERE Jewish.

No shout-out to Mare?!

Mary was great. At the time the show aired a lot of women could identify with career gal Mary Richards and her reactions to the loonies around her was priceless. You’ve got to have little to no ego to surround yourself with a scene stealing supporting cast.

Was Valerie totally straight?

Could we get back to me, please?

And Sally is just technically alive at this point, so we're all pretty much dead here. And Sally is as big as two people so she's about the same as one normal-size dead person, with some parts still kicking. Is there nutmeg in this spinach?

[quote]And Sally is just technically alive at this point

Technically? Is she ill, R27? Here she is in 2019, it was the most recent thing I could find.

Sally wrote a beauty book back in the day.

Sally gets a lot of flack for her annoying 80s commercials and her weight gain, but she's a terfific comic actress.

Couldn't Rob Reiner have thrown her a bone occasionally?