Nicholas Sandmann reaches settlement with NBC in defamation suit

His resting-bitchboy face earned him what, 5 million? This is one media-polished douche. I’m sure one his little douchey friends will blab the exact amount and it will eventually be on Reddit.

“It’s terrible, Sean — as a 17-year-old in Kyle’s case and mine 16, your mind is still developing,” he told host Sean Hannity. “So to deal with an overload of stress where you have this feeling that half of the country — hundreds of millions of people — hate you for something that you are innocent of, but how you are painted can do a lot to you mentally.”

“It takes a very strong will to be able to resist that and keep a level head,” he added. “I think that Kyle Rittenhouse is dealing with that right now.”

Based af.

Politics genuinely aside you can tell this kid is a piece of shit from that clip alone. You can just tell. From the way it (he) is. I fully expect him to become some kind of hard right wing cultural commentator within the next 5 years.

The media had a lot of nerve not only going after a civilian but a teenager at that. They are determined to attack anyone who likes Trump.

Nothing good will come from this entitled brat.

I'm pretty sure He is a Millionaire.

After the TV shows ruined his reputation. He sued them.

I think he got 350,000,000 dollars.

"Nothing good will come from this entitled brat."

He's destroying cancel culture. That is good.

He was innocent of racism. No teenager deserves to be attacked by the media the way he was for wearing a MAGA hat and participating in a democracy. The fact that people are attacking him here shows how sick they are.

He has disrespect oozing from every pore. His parents did a terrible job raising him.

Tell us more bankrupt retard.

You're a terrible judge of character, r5.

This won’t be the last we hear of him.

1873. Paris commune.

His parents need to protect him

You're a terrible judge of character, [R5]. R13

The fact that he now has more money than any of us could possibly have in our lifetime ,as a teenager, is because everyone judged him on his supposed character and lost . So really go your hardest , he can still sue and win, based on others assumptions of his character. Perhaps we should pause and think that the Media has an agenda, like everyone else and they lost. To me that is justice. But go your hardest. I am sure you are going to tell us Jussie Smollet is just an innocent victim of a hate crime next.

Will Nick and Kyle go on a speaking tour?

This thread has proved to be an excellent source for blocking idiots.

Settlement = $50,000, TOPS!

[quote] They are determined to attack anyone who likes Trump.

Good.

Why would they settle with this toilet baby?

Hey 50,000 is a lot of money to those people.

The sad thing is because the initial media and Twitter narrative about Sandmann proved to be so incredibly far from the truth, and because he was 16, it only served to convince more deplorables that the media can't be trusted and is allied against them.

Jussie Smollet, Kyle Rittenhouse--those don't help either.

Sandmann may be a smug MAGA ass, but he did not do most of the things they said he did.

What's the actual most likely amount he got in the settlement, after all the lawyer costs and fees are taken out?

This scrappy kid is now a multi-millionaire. Rittenhouse will be soon as well. Jealous leftist queens can only simmer in resentment.

Nicholas has got a dozen more lawsuits pending and he will win every one, while Jussie is penniless and taking poz loads daily in the prison shower. MAGA.

[quote]“I heard them call us incest kids, bigots, racists,” Sandmann said.[/quote]

Well the black Israelites weren't wrong.

He’s a disgusting little skank. We’ll see how long he lives.

Nicholas and Kyle both vindicated, and Jussie exposed as the true racist.

[quote]I fully expect him to become some kind of hard right wing cultural commentator within the next 5 years.

He's not smart enough and he doesn't have any charisma. I suspect it'll be Christian college for him, followed by owning a car dealership.

Fuck this brat. But yes the mainstream media was in the wrong for spreading misinformation and they are enabling these monsters. The mainstream media and Facebook actually helped Trump, the GOP and the spread of QAnon through all the sensationalism and clickbait.

Ironically, it was the white boy who Siouxed and won! Or should that be naturally over the naturalized? Let's all make goofy faces at his family funerals with FAGAT hats on and see if we can pull a cool million dollar settlement out of the man. "Hey, we were just raised wrong and are evolving--wahh wahh, where's my money? wahh wahh, where's my socio/political soapbox?"

Good for him. He had to be tenacious to fight back. The media showed their bias and lost.

The media didn't spread misinformation about the incident.

What happened is that after the initial slew of reports about students making fun of Nathan Phillips at the protest, people discovered the Black Hebrew Israelites were involved and doing their usual free speech shtick of shouting slurs, and part of what Phillips had done was get in between the teens and the Israelites to cool things off. He said so when asked about the incident when the full video came out, and suddenly everyone's opinion shifted. They went from thinking he was a poor innocent Native elderly man being bullied to being mad at him for what they felt was "defending" the Black Hebrew Israelites.

Suddenly the narrative was that Phillips was a liar, the Israelites were the cause of the problem, these kids were innocent victims of crazy radical nutjobs.

No media org is going to go to trial and pay for a team of expensive attorneys, and where it would take weeks for a jury to review this footage and make a decision, so they're settling. This has added to the narrative of "the media lied and got it all wrong and Sandmann was an innocent victim and this is why you should never trust the media, because they have a LIEberal agenda."

Many young men are naturally peacocks. He is one. Smug, arrogant, show-offy. Black Hebrew Israelites are nutjobs, not this kid. The left media isn't going to touch the subject of Black Hebrew Israelites.

The man really had limited charisma, and a lot of money and fame to any young man is just not a very good thing. The settlement amounts of $350 million are beyond absurd and letting people think you have been awarded huge sums of money is not a good thing. As with Rittenhouse, vultures will be after his money - of that you can be certain. I suspect this won't the last we hear of him or Kyle.

He reminds me of one of those lottery winners who can't handle the money, and wind up bankrupt and dead of an OD a few years after winning the lottery.

Teens are obnoxious and rude especially a group of teen boys. Weird how people expect kids to be adult and show restraint. They are a result of bad parenting and they were brought there by their Christian academy. Yes they were rude brats but it's not like the Black Israelites or the Native man were innocent bystanders.

The media did spread misinformation. They gleefully reported on an edited video which suited their tiresome narrative. .

Media is neither right or left wing in the purest sense of the word. The outlets do lean conservative or liberal depending on the demographic but it's all profit driven and cynical. Clickbait, exaggeration and misinformation. Fox News and Forbes are terrible but CNN has stooped to their level. CNN never had a good reputation. Many would argue it was CNN that ruined journalism with the 24/7 news cycle and need to have constant noise and exaggerations of minor details to get views.

[quote]He was innocent of racism. No teenager deserves to be attacked by the media the way he was for wearing a MAGA hat and participating in a democracy. The fact that people are attacking him here shows how sick they are.

When someone wears a MAGA hat, it means they support Donald Trump. And that means they are supporting a racist dictator who tried to overthrow the U.S. Government. People have a right to judge MAGA supporters harshly.

[quote] The media did spread misinformation. They gleefully reported on an edited video which suited their tiresome narrative.

Oh, was there a Project Veritas video of him?

[quote]Ironically, it was the white boy who Siouxed and won!

r32: I Siouxed and lost

Here's the thing: with the recent tornado outbreak, the NY Post published a story where the girlfriend of one of the dead said the employees weren't allowed to leave the Amazon warehouse.

Later, another employee said some of her co-workers had actually left once there was a tornado warning, so clearly it wasn't true that employees couldn't leave.

The story changed and the media reported that as they got the info. The news always updates as more information is revealed. So why is this Sandmann situation so different? TONS of people said that Amazon is evil because they wouldn't let employees "evacuate during a tornado," so it's comparable to the Sandmann thing where people were saying "this is the kind of confrontational racist teen MAGAs are raising."

The Sandmann case is different only because rightwingers have been using it to push their "all mainstream media is biased against the truth" agenda.

Phillips didn't do anything wrong, r38.

I’ll reserve judgement until hole pix surface.

That people still think he was wrong is fine, I have no issues with that. But that they decided he was the face of White Supremacist rhetoric ? You lost, suck it up.

What Kyle and Sanderman and Jussie show is that for all the Qnon bullshit that had occurred. That the Left is just as likely to fall for a story too good to be true. Remember that. Your absolute belief that you are right is as fucked up as conspiracy theories from the Right .. Shall we talk about Russiagate or is 5 years ago too soon?

I know a Tijuana boob job when I see one!

[quote] Shall we talk about Russiagate or is 5 years ago too soon?

You mean that Trump actively tried to get and received help from the Russian government? Yes, let's shall.

He did.

R4/R5 And Dems scoff at the notion of a 'liberal media.' But if it weren't for Fox news, AM radio, or the Internet, the right wouldn't have anything, which the left would just love, you know. Fact is, liberals control the U.S. media and entertainment industry. It is evident by how much far-left propaganda is promoted in Hollywood, Broadway, and major news outlets.

[quote] far-left propaganda is promoted in Hollywood

What are some examples of that far-left propaganda?

Keep in mind that his attorney L Lin Wood said that WaPo made 33 libelous statements. The first lawsuit was dismissed completely, then the second one was allowed to continue ONLY on 3 of those 33 statements Wood submitted. Those three statements were that Sandmann impeded Phillips' way forward.

This came from Phillips himself. Some people say that the video proves he was lying but you honestly cannot tell in the video if it's true or not. It looks to me like Phillips is trying to move the teens back, but he's not particularly aggressive about it.

Anyway, with the WaPo lawsuit, I can't imagine Sandmann got millions upon millions for WaPo reporting that Phillips said he was blocked from moving forward by the teen. He got a settlement obviously, but I can't believe it was a huge one, especially since WaPo later corrected their story.

I know WaPo settled because it's cheaper and quicker but I'm angry that they didn't fight this. No one should be able to force a newspaper to pay a settlement just because it reported what someone who was involved in a newsworthy incident said.

[quote] Ironically, it was the white boy who Siouxed and won!

[quote] [R32]: I Siouxed and lost

Drop dead, you stinky little creep.

The media should go back to checking the facts before they report things. This was only news because they wore MAGA hats. If they wore BLM hats it would have been non news. What would have been so newsworthy about a bunch of teens laughing as an Native American banged a drum? Oh right, nothing.

In California a gang of 6 black men were arrested for targeting older Asian women in over 70 robberies and attacks. Yet that is not national news. they were not MAGA types so we could have hours of reporting on hate crimes against Asians. Because the attackers were black we don’t get that. GMA won’t cover this at all but every police shooting (only of black victims) is given extensive coverage.

You lost lost lost lost. If you want to stand in line to be sued, please be my guest.

If you continue to see the World worse than it was in the 50s you will fuck up again and again and again. Because you refuse to believe in any reality and continue to believe that you are living in 1933 Berlin, you will continue to be a victim of your own hubris. All that comes across is your extreme privilege masquerading as victim hood. But anyone can see your hypocrisy a mile away.

Every story is filtered through a political lens even in respected outlets like the Washington Post now. Maybe a few lawsuits would straighten them out.

No-one in America has it harder than white men, right R54?

:eyeroll:

This has nothing to do with inequality and protecting white men If the media has a political bias people will notice and stop respecting them. Trumpeters already scream fake news. Why give them ammunition by reporting things that are easily proven lies just to advance a political agenda.

…Trumpsters…

[quote] TONS of people said that Amazon is evil because they wouldn't let employees "evacuate during a tornado," so it's comparable to the Sandmann thing where people were saying "this is the kind of confrontational racist teen MAGAs are raising."

Can someone who is not trolling us really be this dumb?

After several years on DL, I would not be surprised.

[quote]while Jussie is penniless and taking poz loads daily in the prison shower. MAGA.

And Josh Duggar is right there beside him getting his fat ass plowed...right?

This kid will be charged with raping a sorority girl before he ever finishes college. He totally fits the type.

As a hardcore Liberal, I saw it as Nicholas disrespecting the old guy and getting too close for comfort, being confrontational.

Someone wearing a MAGA hat, rushing towards me and invading my private, personal space? I would've felt threatened and clocked the guy as hard as I can.

To rephrase an old saying: All Deplorables are bullies, but not all bullies are Deplorables.

The Native American came up to the white kids, R63. They did not invade his space.

It seems that a lot of the posters here are still in line to get grabbed right in the pussy.

The kid didn't do anything but smirk and wear a hat. NBC, along with other media outlets, took a button and sewed a vest on it. Sandmann is in the right and I'm glad to see the media have to own up to their rush to judgement.

I'd do him.

Now THAT is one punchable face.

Where are all of these Nazi trolls coming from in this thread? Any ideas?

R24 He sued for damages/$250 million…so if he got 1% of that (arbitrary percent on my part) it’s $2.5 million…attorneys get 1/3 (33%) plus expenses (about 5%…could be more if one of his parents stopped working and they borrowed from law firm to keep household afloat)… so maybe he’ll keep $1.6 million. Some people think much less. He definitely had the equivalent of four years of college paid for, at the least.

He probably will have a few mil once all is said and done . He deserves it . The media must do much better in their reporting .

Yeah, sure R71. We look forward to the domestic abuse charges.

Yes R66 because I'm sure he is an absolute angel.

He seems more like a dork than an abuser to be honest

I guess Nick isn't gay because Kyle is about 7 levels down in attractiveness.

[quote]I suspect it'll be Christian college for him, followed by owning a car dealership.

He attends Transylvania University, which (despite the goofy name) is a well-respected small liberal arts college in Kentucky. (Some comparable schools in the South are Centenary, Centre, Hendrix, Rhodes, and Birmingham-Southern.) I was actually kind of surprised to find out he was going there versus a MAGA factory like Liberty U.

Good to see young White men fighting back and winning. They are both soon-to-be VERY rich young men that will grow into their looks, and will be drowning in pussy.

[quote] drowning in pussy.

You have triggered half the posters on Datalounge with that image.

Happy??????

[quote]Transylvania is the alma mater of two U.S. vice presidents, two U.S. Supreme Court justices, 50 U.S. senators, 101 U.S. representatives, 36 U.S. governors, 34 U.S. ambassadors, and one Confederate President, making it a large producer of U.S. statesmen.

Oh dear, the poor lad thinks he's going to be a politician.

The problem is many of you are so used to the mainstream media’s bullshit that you resent anybody standing up to them. As important as the freedom of press is, these days it’s exploited. They can pump out a story with the barest amount of credibility and if it falls apart all they have to do is stop talking about it.

And this has lead to some serious allegations following people around, like the Jim Jordan story or the Matt Gaetz story or the Russia collusion narrative. And the thing that pisses me off is I know for a fact many of you queens would be majorly upset if they did this to a gay man. You would want heads to roll if they have a platform to a person who just wanted to accuse a gay man of child molestation, for example, and then the person is found to be non-credible so then they just kind of move on without apologizing or anything. But when it’s someone else you’re willing to go along with the bullshit.

A liberal arts college is not a liberal college. If you look at Transylvania's notable alumni, there are a LOT of Confederate politicians, along with Southern conservative politicians. Not liberals. It may not be a Christian school but it's certainly not a liberal one, and it's not surprising he went there.

Si R81!

Is terrible how they accuses my handsome white papi!

Even in the annals of DL being frozen in time R82, judging a school's current student body by which side its alumni were on during the Civil War is quite the stretch.

You know that uber-liberal school in New Haven?

Well not only did the Bushes go there but

[quote] Though deeply embedded in abolitionist New England, Yale University had a surprisingly large number of its students and alumni join the cause of the Confederacy.

I see some DWIs in his future.

Actually, TU is pretty typical of a small LAC—left-leaning but not an Oberlin or Evergreen by any stretch. (Ex: Greek life is popular.) For what it's worth, conservative students have complained that they're discriminated against.

[quote] If the media has a political bias people will notice and stop respecting them.

Done

October 7, 2021

Americans' Trust in Media Dips to Second Lowest on Record

[quote] And this has lead to some serious allegations following people around, like the Jim Jordan story or the Matt Gaetz story or the Russia collusion narrative. And the thing that pisses me off is I know for a fact many of you queens would be majorly upset if they did this to a gay man. You would want heads to roll if they have a platform to a person who just wanted to accuse a gay man of child molestation, for example, and then the person is found to be non-credible so then they just kind of move on without apologizing or anything. But when it’s someone else you’re willing to go along with the bullshit.

Holy crap, you are full of an enormous amount of bullshit. The Jim Jordan story, the Matt Gaetz story, and the Russian collusion story have all stood the test of time.

And then to call people on this board queens and bring into the discussion a generic accusation of some gay man accused of child molestation as if that isnt precisely what gay men get accused of all the time on absolutely no evidence and certainly not the serious evidence piled up against Trump, Gaetz, and Jordan is just the height of trolling.

Who exactly was found non-credible and deserving of an apology in regards to Trump, Gaetz, and Jordan? I'll wait.

[quote]Who exactly was found non-credible and deserving of an apology in regards to Trump, Gaetz, and Jordan? I'll wait.

And wait.

And WAIT.

The fact that so many of you feel you know how he thinks or feels, based on the Media’s interpretation of him , shows how completely insane the Media machine is and how gullible you are.

He has again and again won money because the Media fucked up. He will never have worry about money because of assumptions made by a Media obsessed with a narrative that wasn’t true.

To some of you though, he looked guilty. He was smug and entitled and he fit all the presupposed version of the world you are so desperate to embrace.

A world where there are apparently more Nazis than on Germany in 1939, even though the whole point of Nazis was fucking Hitler who died in 1945, but apparently gets reincarnated every time a Republican becomes President. Your world view is as pathetic as every Q conspirator out there. You believe that a Gay site has more Nazis, Right Wingers and Russians than are in fucking Russia itself, but somehow you are the ones who know how the world works.

No wonder Trump still has a chance in 2024. He would be dead in the water and no one think of him at all, but your drive for self destruction knows no bounds and your puritanical screams that everyone is evil and only you are the pure good, make people think maybe he wasn’t so bad. If he ever wins it will be your fault. So many people want to give a big “Fuck You” to your own smug faces.

Maybe why you hate Nick is because you see yourselves in him ? His smug smile might be your own , to us .Have you thought of that?

R90 “He will never have worry about money.” Meaning what?

I wish the Indian had stabbed him in his smirky face.

r92 illustrating why Sandmann is now a multi millionaire

R89 The media owes Trump, Jordan, and Gaetz an apology for pumping out stories barely had any corroboration and ultimately lead nowhere.

Think in normal person/human terms for a second, and this applies mostly to Jordan and Gaetz but the Russia collusion narrative as well. If you accuse someone of child molestation and human trafficking and sleeping with minors, let's be clear that's not something you can just take back if it winds up not being true. If I ever made such an accusation, I'd have to have more than enough evidence because what I would never want to do is have to look someone in the face and apologize for something like that. I wouldn't be entitled to forgiveness for someone for using my platform to pump out a story like that.

Now if you have a suspicion and you report to the authorities, they can investigate and ultimately decide whether there's any evidence to support charging someone. That's their job.

And I don't care how you feel about Trump, they held that collusion narrative over his head for three years to invalidate his election. That's why I have to roll my eyes now with how precious some people are about "conspiracy theories" about the 2020 election being rigged. Oh now it's important to respect elections? Now that you've gotten the guy you want in office, now we all have to keep it as cute as possible? Fuck outta here.

[quote]The left media isn't going to touch the subject of Black Hebrew Israelites.

Which is ironic because the Black Hebrew Israelites (who are neither Hebrew nor Israelite, discuss) are some of the most racist, bigoted hate-mongers out there.

noun: irony

the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I can see this site has a lot of the straight white MAGATs who probably got banned from Twitter, former Stormfronters and also Russian and Chinese bots. It's one thing to feel the mainstream media fucked up about reporting the whole story and defamed a kid. But it's another thing to attack liberals and left-wingers (who actually don't control the media as much you'd think), make people like Sandmann and Rittenhouse into martyrs (they are assholes who put themselves in those situations and now are profiting off publicity) and what's with this anti-gay rhetoric (apparently straight white men are victims now?)

I think it's strange how, to this day, no one says a word about the Hebrew Israelites who were there that actually incited this entire incident with their hate speech toward BOTH the Native Americans and the students. Very strange.

Black Israelites hate other Black people especially those who are Christian and Muslim. I'm Black and they are an embarrassment and they are completely self-hating. They deny African Americans are primarily of West African descent even though it's so obvious in not just our phenotype but also our culture, music, cuisine and worship style. It's no different than the other Black militant groups that claim we're Ancient Egyptians or we're Native Americans which is disrespectful and taking other people's history. To these militant groups, being from West Africa is bad and they are accepting the racist narrative it was "primitive" despite the fact that region had so many beautiful cultures, languages, music and art and a long history of kingdoms and trading.

r100 Oh don't get me wrong, I don't claim them either, lol. I'm also Black. And they caused all of that confusion that day. I'm just saying they need to be equally called out and admonished for it.

But yes, 100% their doctrine is all screwed up.

Remember, NBC and CNN have to settle with Sandmann because they LIED. You may believe the lie to this day! But it's time to grow up and realize that these media entities are not on your "side" and are, in fact, commonly lying or twisting facts to promote their own ends. They are not allowed of social justice, equity, equality, or humanity really--they are scum and the sooner BOTH sides detach from their parasites the better.

We should backtrack a little. Nicholas Sandmann was in Washington DC on an outing sponsored by his Catholic high school specifically to march against allowing women the right to control their own bodies. - a right which they might lose in the next 6 months. His high school is undoubtedly on board with not allowing gay people to serve on the faculty and in fact to roll back gay marriage and possibly even the repeal of sodomy laws, all possible outcomes of a Supreme Court which might reject the notion that the Constitution guarantees a person the right to privacy - something that all these decisions were based upon. The high school kids were very energized and vocal that day and definitely in an antagonistic mood towards the Black Israelites. The media only said that in their opinion (as in the opinion of millions of people who viewed the video) that this kid appeared confrontational and seemed to smirk as he refused to allow the Native American guy from proceeding. Let's talk about normal manners. If two people appear to be heading for a collision, BOTH should make an effort to avoid it, by moving out of the way - whether we're talking about cars, or people walking on the street. That video did not show normal manners. So the media were justified in drawing that conclusion. Sandmann CLAIMS that was not his intent. On the basis of that claim, do we really think he has been horribly maligned? I know I don't.

^^Bruh...

That school, Covington Catholic High School has a history of homophobia and discrimination. Questionable on the school to permit underage teens to attend an anti-abortion rally as a field trip. That's a very sensitive and heated subject and bound to cause a lot arguments and confrontations. Many of these private schools solely exist to indoctrinate children into far-right white Christian identity.

You all talk as if these kids have no free agency, as if many of them don't go off to college,meet other kids and give up the right wing politics they were indoctrinated in.

Sandmann isn't the only case that raised red flags about the impartiality of the media.

Take the Atlanta shootings. All sorts of "Stop Asian Hate" messaging of this, and profiles of the women who were shot, but only WaPo ran with the story that this particular place was whorehouses that used trafficked women who were kept under lock and key by fellow Asians, not just a bunch of physical therapist and that the police had made a number of prostitution arrests there over the years.

NYT never mentioned the sex work/happy endings aspect or the trafficking of illegals. [These places do both legit massage and happy endings]

But most people know what these "Asian massage parlors" are about so it was obvious they were choosing not to go there.

R106 Yes that happens but many of these kids can still end up in echo chambers. Many people still prefer the company of those who have similar beliefs and backgrounds. White straight men have a victim mentality that is encouraged by right wing mediums who paint liberals, women, minorities and gays as their bullies. That privilege and entitlement is something that is hard to give.

*hard to give up

[quote]NBC and CNN have to settle with Sandmann because they LIED

Absolutely untrue. People and corporations settle to get the matter out of the news and to save money. At no point has anyone who settled with Sandmann admitted to lying, and as said above, in the WaPo case, they reported what they were told by Phillips.

You may think Phillips lied when he said Sandmann blocked his way forward, but WaPo didn't lie when they reported what Phillips said.

[quote] The media owes Trump, Jordan, and Gaetz an apology for pumping out stories barely had any corroboration and ultimately lead nowhere.

There is no reason to think these "stories" are over. And all the media did was report on the existence of investigations and witnesses. You seem to not understand the role of the press.

It is so hard to give up your whipping boy. I say “boy” deliberately. He was, in law , a teenager, not an adult. People wanted to burn down his school and destroy him. Are you so unable to understand this person could not vote, drink or be any way considered an adult, but some of you think it is reasonable the level of hate he received ?. That is almost pathological. You are not able to see a human there at all. He deserved everything he got , you think . In a way he does. He has more money now than most of us will ever receive in our lives.

The inability for you to not see how the Media drives this narrative is why people like Jussie Smollett thought it was so easy to play us and why so many people believed him.

The media.

Trump isn't a grifter who lies. It's the media's fault.

Gaetz didn't traffic underage girls. It's the media's fault.

Jordan didn't allow for sexual abuse. It's the media's fault.

Fuck off.

I agree Nick and Kyle are kids and should not be held to grown men's standards. But the issue is that they are impressionable and influenced by a negative and anti intellectual culture of right wingers. Being taken under the wings of Republicans and made into celebrities. They might mature and gain some wisdom and leave that behind. But the power and attention they are getting as young guys is addicting and they will just end up as egotistical pieces of shit. Taking responsibility as aging adults is something this country and current climate doesn't like to do.

Your point r113? So the Media gets it right sometimes, but when it gets it wrong we should shut up? Just because you need to hate doesn’t mean your always right on the victims you choose.

Admit it. You love to feel morally superior to others and look down on people. You like the power the Media gives you to bully with impunity. But when the facts get in the way. It is not so pretty is it? you have to double down. So sad

[quote]He was, in law , a teenager, not an adult.

He may have been a teenager, but he chose to wear a MAGA hat and support a vile man like Trump. Teenagers have some responsibility for their own actions.

[quote] So the Media gets it right sometimes, but when it gets it wrong we should shut up? Just because you need to hate doesn’t mean your always right on the victims you choose.

Don't put words in my mouth, you fuckwit. I was responding to the LIE that the media was responsible for the narratives about Trump and Gaetz and Jordan and that there was nothing to report there. An obvious right-wing lie.

[quote] Admit it. You love to feel morally superior to others and look down on people. You like the power the Media gives you to bully with impunity. But when the facts get in the way. It is not so pretty is it? you have to double down. So sad.

Seriously, go fuck yourself. If you can't follow simple statements and have to invent horseshit like this you are just as bad as you accuse the media of being. But I'm sure that irony is lost on you.

R117 your the one who decided to mention Trump, Gaetz and Jordan and put that into the conversation. They weren’t there until you decided to use them. Now I “invent” things? Give me a break. You are the one who decided to use those names to weaponise the discussion.

One of the early instances of the media's blatant mishandling of a story like this was with Richard Jewell, the security guard at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics who discovered a backpack with bombs and evacuated people in the area and notified the police.

I recall clearly seeing the subsequent coverage of his actions and I was shocked by the media's response. I kept thinking "But what if this guy is just what he appears and completely innocent of wrong doing" (Which, of course, he was.) . The media coverage of this man was horrifying and a message that this kind of media attack could happen to any of us.

The Sandmann case is another clear example where someone blatantly cherry picked part of a video to show and frame the narrative and the attacks began. The people who make these video selections know exactly what they are doing. "Ooooh!, look, cut it there! Focus on the expression on that kid's face! That's our story."

People who do this kind of thing (and the company knows who handled this) should be fired and banned from those occupations. They are dishonest and the results of their work is dishonest. And they should be liable personally for damages.

This kind of shit can happen to anyone who is "chosen" to be a likely target.

Don't kid yourself.

The media has truly become Wag the Dog and has the capability to manufacture any image they want. Naive and hateful people see what they want. Don't believe a fucking word they say. The NYTs is a travesty. It is not news, it is all narrative. It's left/progressive supplicants are so ridiculously blind to it.

Just look at how people on here are STILL calling for this kid's blood. You are all so fucked up and the real problem.

R120 is one of those people who doesn't believe in objective truth. Everyone is lying, everyone has an agenda, nothing matters etc. Scumbags like Putin and Trump depend on cynical morons like r120.

[quote]You love to feel morally superior to others and look down on people.

r115 This mindset seems to be a trend that is getting worse than the days of the Puritans and Salem witch trials as of late. Anyone else notice this?

There has to be some psychology behind how a person's fervent adherence to a strict, moral code leads to, ironically, an ammoral approach to resolving conflict (see: the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition). I'm starting to see more religiosity on the left than the medieval Catholic church. Seriously.

[quote]This kind of shit can happen to anyone who is "chosen" to be a likely target.

Tbh, in today's climate, that's any White male (gay or straight). So, when I see actual White guys defending this practice and not thinking twice, I have to wonder if they realize that they're basically advocating for their own potential persecution; guilty or not. Like...why would you want to help build a world where the dominant narrative is that "you're evil" by default? Seems counter-intuitive, to me. And a little stupid, lol.

That's not what I said, R121. People are so blinded by their ideologies, they are incapable of seeing the fucking obvious truth. The ideological narrative of the former NYTs is so obvious one just need to scan the headlines of page A1 to see it. Yet, millions of people believe every fucking word they read in it. they take it as the gospel and are incapable to see the propaganda.

I can't believe "adults" on here, who we will assume are educated, want still want to see this guy dead. Do they see how they are the opposite of what they believe they are.....they are not tolerant, wise or benevolent. They are quite the opposite. Only vicious fascists would call for the death of this kid. Stalin would be proud.

Nick needs braces and he needs to put on some muscle and I think he’d be pretty cute.

I think Kyle looks cute in some pictures and ugly in others. But I probably wouldn’t kick him out of bed.

Nicholas has BDF. It must be said.

He has FAS face.

I have no problem with the Right being wrong. They are wrong 99% of the time. It is the Left that worries me. They feel like they have “ Right” on their side, so anything is justified , anything excused. Doesn’t matter if they destroy a person’s life. In the big scheme of things they are right. The problem is the other side thinks that too. So what does that mean. We just destroy innocent people because they “ looked “ bad?

When someone was discussing Nick , they said what he did was not “polite” . So what are we saying the answer is we should destroy his life and burn down his school? I mean WTF. I don’t stand up any more when a lady enters the room either. Wtf is the punishment for that now ?

It has become insane.

You're being extremely disingenuous with all the pearl clutching and drama, R128. People want this kid dead? They want to dEsTroY him and burn down his school? What? I haven't seen a single person saying anything like that, including here. When this story broke I thought he looked like a typical MAGA white boy douche (and his being in DC to protest abortion rights was part of that) but I have not once wished him dead. I don't even wish for anyone to stamp on his toes or ruffle his hair too roughly. Calm down, jesus.

R129 There are a lot of crazy people in the world. You would be surprised by how many people in the public eye get death threats, phone calls to the places of employment, etc when the media sets their sights on them. That’s one of the reasons why even now the media won’t say who the “whistleblower” is who reported Trump’s conversation with President Zelensky. Because they know all kinds of dirt would come out about him.

And by the way, I really think the catalyst for all of this is him wearing a MAGA hat. I don’t think is that bad — I think a lot of people simply got too comfortable with cancel culture and the Woke left running things and these LA/NY/DC sensibilities telling everyone what to think, that when the people picked the guy who rebelled against it, they reacted viciously.

r130 What you are describing is a right-wing pattern, not a left-wing pattern. Thousands of school boards and city councils have been receiving death threats this year from right-wing people over mask mandates and COVID restrictions. There is no evidence that the left wing bombarded Sandmann with death threats. He didn't make that claim in his lawsuits. His claim is that the articles defamed him by calling him racist and contemptuous of Phillips (the native american). It IS true that the left wing looked for additional evidence that the Covington high school was teaching or authorizing racism, to try to make sense of that chaotic scene. The more extended videos that were ultimately released show a scene of mass confusion, and it was very hard to make clear cut decisions about why, for instance, the Covington students greeted the guy with the drum with tomahawk gestures. What changed was that what initially seemed clear cut became more ambiguous - NOT that the extended video EXONERATED Sandmann, but that with more information it became harder to paint the scene in black and white. Sandmann's own comments were not consistent. In one interview, he claimed that he stood right in Phillip's face to show him he was not going to be pushed around. In another, he said he was smiling to show that he was not antagonistic. Two different explanations from the same person.

People on Twitter back when this occurred did call for his death. It was unhinged and woke me up to the fact that extremists really do exist on both sides. One was a trending author/professor who said he hoped the kid was put through a wood chipper.

To the credit of the world that professor seems to have lost his fame in the press. He's not condemned but is so longer lauded.

Really r131?

“From my own experience, the death threats, feeling of no future ahead, and that millions of people hate you, is enough to alter you in many concrete ways and permanently,"

ABC news 18 November

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

R129 see R28, R68, & R92

R133 link doesn't describe a death threat. It describes someone wishing some people would die - someone, who, by the way, suffered instant repercussions. He didn't say that he was going to go to their town and kill them. . . A death threat is something that says, "I'm going to be waiting at your house when you get home from work with a shot gun". . Or, "I'll be watching you when you leave the store - I'll have my knife with me", or, "I'll find a way to get back at you for what you did". The other link is behind a paywall, but I'm guessing it's more of what we saw in the first link.

Mr. Sandmann, bring me a dream...