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Julia Roberts and Garry Marshall Humiliated Christopher Reeve

From Christopher Reeve's book "Still Me":

By the late ’80s and early ’90s, one door had slammed shut in my face. I was no longer an A-list actor; now my agents had to fight for meetings. Sometimes I had to audition, which had not been necessary for over a decade. When I tried out for the part Richard Gere played in Pretty Woman, I prepared three scenes from the film for the director, Garry Marshall.

But when I arrived at the production office for my appointment, I was told that Julia Roberts had other business to attend to and would not be there to read with me.

I had to play the scenes with the casting director, who kept her nose buried in the pages and read about as well as a reject from some community theater. Halfway through the second scene, anger, frustration, and humiliation got the better of me. I ripped the pages in half, dropped them on the floor, told Garry Marshall and the producers that they had no right to treat any actor this way, and stalked out of the room.

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by Anonymousreply 198January 16, 2022 8:40 AM

And then he died.

by Anonymousreply 1December 8, 2021 8:18 PM

R1 The audition took place in 1989/1990 and Chris died in 2004.

by Anonymousreply 2December 8, 2021 8:21 PM

That seems a bit primadonnaesque? And I like Christopher Reeve.

by Anonymousreply 3December 8, 2021 8:22 PM

CR was a primadonna. He turned down EVERYTHING.

by Anonymousreply 4December 8, 2021 8:23 PM

Reeve could have played the Gere part OK, but without his Superman cape and tights he was box office poison.

by Anonymousreply 5December 8, 2021 8:24 PM
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by Anonymousreply 6December 8, 2021 8:25 PM

But ya ARE! Ya ARE in that chair, Chris!

by Anonymousreply 7December 8, 2021 8:33 PM

I don't blame him. That was shit treatment he received.

That said, you can tell there was a bit of entitlement there on his part too.

[quote] I was no longer an A-list actor; now my agents had to fight for meetings. Sometimes I had to audition, which had not been necessary for over a decade

It's like that scene from Mommie Dearest, where Joan had to actually audition for the part of Mildred Pierce. "Oh, the humanity!"

Marshall probably treated all the actors who auditioned for that part, the same way. However, Reeves wanted SPECIAL treatment.

And when he didn't get it, he pitched a diva fit.

Garry Marshall probably didn't care because I'm sure he wanted Richard Gere, any way.

by Anonymousreply 8December 8, 2021 8:38 PM

It's a bit sad how many actors were so horribly typecast that they weren't given any other roles.

Can you imagine Cavill being treated this way today?

by Anonymousreply 9December 8, 2021 8:42 PM

Side note - as much as I dislike Julia Roberts, Pretty Woman was her breakout role. She was a B minus list actress and not even the first choice (Molly Ringwald was).

I doubt she would have had the juice to pull that kind of crap.

Also, Gere wasn't exactly a superstar either - while continuing to do a a bunch of movies, he hadn't really had a big movie since An Officer and a Gentleman 8 years earlier, had he?

by Anonymousreply 10December 8, 2021 8:45 PM

That's hardly Julia's fault. She wasn't a major star then.

by Anonymousreply 11December 8, 2021 8:46 PM

I'm willing to bet Chris did the same thing and skipped reading at auditions with potential castmates when he was an "A-lister."

by Anonymousreply 12December 8, 2021 9:00 PM

Is this a bad time to make a Julia Roberts/horse joke?

by Anonymousreply 13December 8, 2021 9:13 PM

Neigh, go ahead.

by Anonymousreply 14December 8, 2021 9:15 PM

Any time time is a good time to make a Julia Roberts/horse joke.

by Anonymousreply 15December 8, 2021 9:16 PM

Reeve would've made an interesting choice. And might've had chemistry with our Julia. But the magic was the magic. No other actors could've made it work. They had the perfect chemistry. Roberts had about 5 years where she just looked remarkable onscreen even in bad movies. She looked marvelous in Sleeping with The Enemy which was an awful film.

by Anonymousreply 16December 11, 2021 6:19 AM

Yes Julia looked amazing for about 5 years lol. About 88-93

by Anonymousreply 17December 11, 2021 6:36 AM

She still looked good in MBFW. Her skin looked beautiful

by Anonymousreply 18December 11, 2021 6:40 AM

Julia Roberts was paid 25 million for Mona Lisa. Still, the highest paycheck ever received by an actress for a movie.

by Anonymousreply 19December 11, 2021 6:46 AM

As mentioned by others already prima dona was exactly the term that came to mind reading this. I'm not an actor but even I understand auditions are routinely a humbling experience.

by Anonymousreply 20December 11, 2021 6:46 AM

[quote]Julia Roberts was paid 25 million for Mona Lisa. Still, the highest paycheck ever received by an actress for a movie.

I didn't know that. She was lucky to make a mint for such a turkey.

by Anonymousreply 21December 11, 2021 6:51 AM

R17 she did. But any good movie star always does. She had marvelous skin there for a couple of years.

by Anonymousreply 22December 11, 2021 6:51 AM

R21 she was the biggest star in the world at time. As mentioned before if you didn't live through Julia Roberts rise to to superstardom you don't get why even veterans like Meryl Streep respect her. It was insane. And she like her BFF Brad Pitt says belongs between the two Hepburns. She made women female movie stars possible again. No woman has accomplished what she did.

by Anonymousreply 23December 11, 2021 6:57 AM

Reeve played repressed well. He could have pulled off the role.

by Anonymousreply 24December 11, 2021 7:00 AM

Brad Pitt has always said Julia belongs between the two Hepburns. But they are also close friends.

by Anonymousreply 25December 11, 2021 7:04 AM

I guess Reeves would have been good in the role but Gere was perfect. And Gere was at his peak sexiness in 1990 with Internal Affairs and Pretty Woman. The salt-and-pepper hair looked so good on him.

by Anonymousreply 26December 11, 2021 7:08 AM

This movie would never get made today. Yet the movie produced one the biggest movie stars of our generation.

by Anonymousreply 27December 11, 2021 7:11 AM

R10 Madonna was actually offered it first when it was called 3000, and met with Garry Marshall, Madonna passed on it

Garry talked about it in his autobiography

When Penny wanted to get in touch with Madonna for A League of Their Own, she called Garry and asked for Madonna’s personal number, which people never do in Hollywood

Those Marshall’s!

by Anonymousreply 28December 11, 2021 7:16 AM

She claims. And Madonna til this day loathes Julia Roberts who is connected to every Hollywood big wig you need that Madonna is jealous of. Don't forget "She's the one person almost as famous as me."

by Anonymousreply 29December 11, 2021 7:20 AM

No, hon she was more famous than you. And respect with Oscar nominations.

by Anonymousreply 30December 11, 2021 7:22 AM

The first time I ever saw a gay kiss in my life was Christopher Reeve kissing Michael Caine in Deathtrap. I remember being completely floored by it because I didn't understand the movie and it just came out of nowhere and I wasn't expecting it. I was a comic geek as a kid so I loved the Superman movie. I still think it is cool that the first gay kiss I ever saw was Superman.

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by Anonymousreply 31December 11, 2021 7:24 AM

Wasn't the August Osage Country sell was the world's most famous actress and the worlds best actress?

by Anonymousreply 32December 11, 2021 7:27 AM

Most people don't understand but Jennifer Lawrence and Julia Roberts are still the world's most famous actresses.

by Anonymousreply 33December 11, 2021 7:30 AM

[quote] Brad Pitt has always said Julia belongs between the two Hepburns.

Who are the two Hepburns? Judy and who?

by Anonymousreply 34December 11, 2021 7:30 AM

R30 NO ONE was more famous than Madonna on a global level at their peak than Madonna was at her peak and Julia wasn’t even A list back then and Madonna has NEVER talked about Pretty Woman, Garry Marshall himself mentioned this in his autobiography in the mid 90s

Madonna never said shit about PW

by Anonymousreply 35December 11, 2021 7:36 AM

[quote]I guess Reeves would have been good in the role but Gere was perfect.

George Reeves died in 1959.

by Anonymousreply 36December 11, 2021 7:38 AM

Why would they want a cripple in a wheelchair for that role? Good grief. The cheek.

by Anonymousreply 37December 11, 2021 7:41 AM

Yes in 1990 Julia Roberts was more famous than Madonna. And in the later 90s Madonna herself said "she's the one person almost as famous as meme"

by Anonymousreply 38December 11, 2021 7:42 AM

Madonna was at her absolute peak in 1990. The year of Vogue, Blond Ambition and Justify My Love.

by Anonymousreply 39December 11, 2021 7:48 AM

And so biggest movie star in the world who trumped her. And Madonna knew it The world had their first female movie star decades.. Julia Roberts was the biggest star in the world then. Everyone knew it

by Anonymousreply 40December 11, 2021 7:50 AM

Julia was way bigger than Madonna after Pretty Woman. Dream on

by Anonymousreply 41December 11, 2021 7:53 AM

R40 You're missing some articles and punctuation in your post, ya stupid cunt. Did you only make it to grade two? Fucktard.

by Anonymousreply 42December 11, 2021 7:54 AM

yay sweetie that makes you right!

by Anonymousreply 43December 11, 2021 7:55 AM

R38 LOL Julia Roberts was NOT more famous than Madonna in 1990

In 1990 Madonna appeared on more magazine covers in a single year than any person that has ever lived and breathed air in the history of the world

Us, Entertainment Weekly and Forbes magazines all named Madonna “Rhe world’s biggest star” and “Most Powerful Celebrity “

Please note than Madonna met with Marshall for PW in SUMMER OF 1989 as well before Steel Magnolias had opened and Julia was virtually unknown at that time

by Anonymousreply 44December 11, 2021 7:56 AM

[quote]It's a bit sad how many actors were so horribly typecast that they weren't given any other roles. Can you imagine Cavill being treated this way today?

He is typecast. He plays nothing but muscle roles with very limited lines.

by Anonymousreply 45December 11, 2021 7:57 AM

R19 J Law just got that for Don’t Look Up

by Anonymousreply 46December 11, 2021 7:59 AM

R44 oh hun. I lived through those years. Julia was much more beloved after Mar 1990. Your'e an idiot. She quickly became the biggest star in the world.

by Anonymousreply 47December 11, 2021 8:00 AM

"She's the one person almost as famous as me."

by Anonymousreply 48December 11, 2021 8:01 AM

No one was more famous than Julia Roberts in 1990 you idiot. DUMBASS

by Anonymousreply 49December 11, 2021 8:03 AM

Poor Christopher Reeve is ignored even on his own thread.

by Anonymousreply 50December 11, 2021 8:05 AM

R47 Julia was more beloved , she was America’s Sweetheart but Madonna was still the bigger star due in part to her controversial/dividing nature

Again, she appeared on more magazine covers in the year 1990 than any living person in the history of the world, that’s FUCKING FAME

And like I said, go back and reread the big media’s year end celebrity/most powerful stars lists and Madonna topped them all in 1990, Us magazine in their December 1990 Celebrity 100 list named Madonna as the #1 most powerful celebrity/biggest star in the world of 1990

Julia was huge too and quickly became the biggest female movie star in the world, I’m not disputing that

by Anonymousreply 51December 11, 2021 8:05 AM

No one really respects Madonna. Julia got her 2nd Oscar nomination. that year and was the world"s most beloved star.

by Anonymousreply 52December 11, 2021 8:10 AM

1) If Julia Roberts didn't show up, its because she wasn't asked to. She had no power. 2) Garry Marshall attended the audition so that's about as much respect as you can get. 3) As someone who read the 3000 script out of curiosity, I get why everyone would turn it down. It's awful to read and the characters are disgusting. Its not surprising that Molly Ringwald didn't want to play a dirty crack whore. 4) Jason Alexander tells a story about how he was cast in the film and makes it clear, the entire thing was in Garry Marshall's head but nobody else knew what the hell was going on. The script wasn't followed, nor was it rewritten much--large amounts of improv occurred. The movie you see never existed on a page before it hit the screen, which is rare because studios like scripts so they know what they're paying for. Richard Gere warned Jason Alexander the production was totally off the rails and thought Pretty Woman might end up unreleasable.

by Anonymousreply 53December 11, 2021 8:10 AM

How does a whore like Julia Roberts get to be America's Sweetheart?

by Anonymousreply 54December 11, 2021 8:12 AM

[quote]How does a whore like Julia Roberts get to be America's Sweetheart?

That's what I'd like to know.

by Anonymousreply 55December 11, 2021 8:13 AM

R53 yet from that script that looks awful we got one of he 10 female movie stars of al time

by Anonymousreply 56December 11, 2021 8:14 AM

Pretty Woman inspired me to get into street level prostitution. Until I saw the movie I didn't realize how romantic it was...And Julia not kissing her johns?...So spot on!!. The movie really captured the essence of hookers and their boundries!!

by Anonymousreply 57December 11, 2021 8:15 AM

Reeve makes Richard Gere look like fucking Olivier. That’s all.

by Anonymousreply 58December 11, 2021 8:17 AM

[quote] No one was more famous than Julia Roberts in 1990 you idiot. DUMBASS

In the US, maybe. But Madonna was known the world over. People in all countries knew who she was.

by Anonymousreply 59December 11, 2021 8:19 AM

There was nothing prima donna about Reeve's angry reaction to how Marshall treated him. Forcing him to audition with an assistant who is not even trying to act is unprofessional and sleazy. If Roberts was unavailable, Marshall could have brought in an actor who was free.

I have the impression Marshall went through with the reading more or less unwillingly, possibly to appease someone important. He had no intention of considering Reeve for the role and didn't even pretend to be interested or generous about it.

And Hollywood has had plenty of criticism of Garry Marshal as a human being and none of Reeve. He was well-liked.

Further, there is nothing wrong in turning down roles for one reason or another, even if you do it often. Reeve had no idea that, after he his big start in movies, he would lose his appeal. That often happens to people whose rise seems easy and grand. As it was, he took on a role in Somewhere In Time, a soap opera that did his career no good, and it must have made him wary.

When you consider how terrible an end he came to, and how bravely he tried to stand up to it, it seems crummy to jump on him now. It's a tragic story.

by Anonymousreply 60December 11, 2021 8:19 AM

I realized the last performance I enjoyed Roberts in was "Closer," (2004). I skipped all the Oceans movies, "Eat, Pray, Love" and saw the hamfest that was "Osage County," which I regret. Nothing could get me to see her now,.

by Anonymousreply 61December 11, 2021 8:20 AM

in 1990 no. Not even Madonna. Julia Roberts was the biggest star in the world 2 weeks after Pretty Woman opened. And her life was never gonna be the same again

by Anonymousreply 62December 11, 2021 8:22 AM

I watched Julia's first role and definitely thought she was no big deal. I've never changed my mind

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by Anonymousreply 63December 11, 2021 8:24 AM

These Madonna boys are weird. No dudes. No way no how. There was no bigger celebrity in the world in 1990 than Julia Roberts. Pretty Woman was a phenomenon.

by Anonymousreply 64December 11, 2021 8:26 AM

Didn’t even Oliver Stone famously say in 1991 that the reason he wouldn’t cast Madonna as Evita, he was attached to direct, was because she was too famous and more famous than Eva Peron ever was and on every magazine cover in the world and she would overshadow the film and he called Madonna “the most famous woman in the world”

by Anonymousreply 65December 11, 2021 8:26 AM

Madonna could never accept that Julia was a bigger start than her.

by Anonymousreply 66December 11, 2021 8:28 AM

Reeve was good in Noises Off. (Likewise Carol Burnett who made you believe in her character almost immediately)

by Anonymousreply 67December 11, 2021 8:29 AM

"She's the one person almost as famous as me"

by Anonymousreply 68December 11, 2021 8:29 AM

[quote] in 1990 no. Not even Madonna. Julia Roberts was the biggest star in the world 2 weeks after Pretty Woman opened.

People in other countries wouldn’t know who Julia Roberts was 2 weeks after opening. In 1990, people in Asia didn’t know who Julia Roberts was but they sure knew who Madonna was. People in Africa didn’t know who Julia Roberts was but they knew Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 69December 11, 2021 8:31 AM

Diana was probably at least as famous as both.

by Anonymousreply 70December 11, 2021 8:34 AM

Bullshit. Maybe in the fucking world you live in. In America Julia Roberts was the biggest star America the weekend Pretty Woman opened.

by Anonymousreply 71December 11, 2021 8:35 AM

"She's the one person almost as famous as me"

by Anonymousreply 72December 11, 2021 8:38 AM

i don't particularly like Julia. But I get why other actors fawn over her. She's a legend. She did accomplish big things

by Anonymousreply 73December 11, 2021 8:40 AM

[quote]In 1990 Madonna appeared on more magazine covers in a single year than any person that has ever lived and breathed air in the history of the world

And now she's a tubby old has-been trussed up like an octogenarian Mae West in leather, and hanging out for ugly trash to stick their dick in her. Time is a cruel bitch.

by Anonymousreply 74December 11, 2021 8:43 AM

[quote] In America Julia Roberts was the biggest star America the weekend Pretty Woman opened.

Yeah, in America, not the world. The rest of the world didn’t know who she was.

by Anonymousreply 75December 11, 2021 8:44 AM

Reeve had gotten some good notices in the past with Deathtrap and a few other movies, and in 1990 was just starting to get some critical notice again, at that time for the "Rose and the Jackal" made-for-TV movie, back when Ted Turner was starting to invest in prestige TV/cable films.

I've always felt that the critical turn in 1990 helped him get Remains of the Day a couple of years later, but despite more good notices, he kept getting passed over for roles. It's not surprising since he was so heavily associated with Superman, but I think he could have had a much different career if he'd been given a chance.

by Anonymousreply 76December 11, 2021 8:44 AM

R70 absolutely

There’s an interview with Madonna from 1992 on YouTube and the interviewer says “You’re one of the three most famous women in the world, the other two probably being Princess Diana and Liz Taylor and then for a fourth it would be Jackie O, is your incredible fame something you think about a lot?”

Madonna just shrugged her shoulders and said, “I don’t think about it at all, I turn down almost all interview requests and in my 10 year career I think I’ve only done a total of 5 talk show appearances, I turn everything down, I can’t help it if the world is obsessed with my every move”

Julia Roberts wasn’t even mentioned

by Anonymousreply 77December 11, 2021 8:45 AM

After Pretty Woman I really ever saw Madonna as bigger than Julia Roberts . I don't think anyone in Hollywood did.

by Anonymousreply 78December 11, 2021 8:45 AM

R74 and Julia Roberts is currently in a worse position than her, what’s your point?

Both are legends

Madonna can do a greatest hits tour next year and break box office records

by Anonymousreply 79December 11, 2021 8:46 AM

R77 keep going. Anyone knows Julia Roberts was the biggest star of the 90s

by Anonymousreply 80December 11, 2021 8:48 AM

R78 Jesus Christ, no one is talking about movie star wise, Julia Roberts was definitely the biggest female movie star of the 90s, we’re talking about worldwide fame and Madonna was Elvis compared to Julia’s Brando

by Anonymousreply 81December 11, 2021 8:48 AM

R79 really sweetie?

by Anonymousreply 82December 11, 2021 8:48 AM

No one can ever really explain to me what Julia Roberts accomplished that any number of other popular actresses didn't.

She became a phenomenon in the early 1990s but then was in a series of terrible movies and blew that opportunity quickly, then got an Oscar for a biopic after lots of PR push.

She's got a LOT of movies like I Love Trouble and Dying Young and Mona Lisa Smile under her belt, and not a lot of big hits. Pretty Woman, Brockovich, the Oceans movies I guess, and supporting in ensemble casts of Steel Magnolias and August Osage County. That's it, right?

by Anonymousreply 83December 11, 2021 8:49 AM

Yet she is still America's favorite actress

by Anonymousreply 84December 11, 2021 8:51 AM

Julia Roberts is almost forgotten these days. No one under thirty knows who she is. Madge is still BIG.

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by Anonymousreply 85December 11, 2021 8:52 AM

Bullshit I have nieces and nephews at that younger age. They don't care about her but they look at her as we do a Natalie Wood. A movie star. But they think she's a legend type

by Anonymousreply 86December 11, 2021 8:55 AM

Madonna was so famous by 1990 than when she FINALLY agreed to do the Arsenio Hall Show, magazine ads and billboards across the country were released with Arsenio standing in front of a picture of Madonna and announcing her appearance as “the world’s biggest star” “making an unheard of talk show appearance “. And “it’s a TV event” . Has Julia ever had that much hype for a dime a dozen talks show appearance?

by Anonymousreply 87December 11, 2021 8:59 AM

r56 i think you missed the point. The character in the script was not charming. She was more like Laura San Giacomo's character (or might have been spun off into that role, I can't remember). I think the end finds Edward kicking her out of the limo and she's back to being a crack whore. The script was a template of a story and Garry Marshall envisioned a fairy tale version without ever putting that version on the page.

by Anonymousreply 88December 11, 2021 9:00 AM

Yes. In 1990 she was bigger than Madonna and even she knew it. No one was bigger than Julia Roberts in 1990.

by Anonymousreply 89December 11, 2021 9:01 AM

R89 in the movie world, yes Julia was the biggest but overall global fame?

Madonna, MJ, Princess Di say hi

by Anonymousreply 90December 11, 2021 9:03 AM

You queens are weird. Yes Madonna was a huge star. When Julia Roberts became a star Madonna was not in the conversation

by Anonymousreply 91December 11, 2021 9:03 AM

After Pretty Woman Julia was more famous than Princess Diana. Yes Easy! For like a year? Yes!

by Anonymousreply 92December 11, 2021 9:05 AM

R91 you’re not making any sense

Julia became huge in 1990, 1990 was Madonna’s biggest year and part of her overall peak of 89-92, non stop media dominance and overexposed

by Anonymousreply 93December 11, 2021 9:06 AM

I don't know why every Julia Roberts thread turns into this.

Roberts and Madonna weren't competitors, they were in different mediums. This is a pointless argument.

by Anonymousreply 94December 11, 2021 9:06 AM

Everyone knows Julia was the biggest star in 1990. When Pretty Woman hit. She was the biggest star in the world

by Anonymousreply 95December 11, 2021 9:08 AM

Hasn't Brad Pitt always claimed his bestie belongs between the two Hepburns as THE greats?

by Anonymousreply 96December 11, 2021 9:11 AM

Even by DL standards this is a stupid thread.

Dumb bitchez arguing over the star wattage of Madonna vs Julia Roberts.

In a thread that is supposed to be about Christopher Reeve.

by Anonymousreply 97December 11, 2021 9:14 AM

[quote]"She's the one person almost as famous as me."

You've posted this six times over the course of two hours. Enough.

by Anonymousreply 98December 11, 2021 9:16 AM

OP,

I'm glad you're enjoying your Christopher Reeves' biography, but you are somewhat late to the party.

Geeze.

by Anonymousreply 99December 11, 2021 9:17 AM

ok hon. It doesn't make Madonna any less insecure

by Anonymousreply 100December 11, 2021 9:17 AM

I always thought Madonna was trash and Julia lucky.

by Anonymousreply 101December 11, 2021 9:28 AM

Julia Roberts > Madonna, always and forever.

by Anonymousreply 102December 11, 2021 9:29 AM

It's kinda fun they loathe each other. but don't bring up Sandra Bullock to the queen bitch

by Anonymousreply 103December 11, 2021 9:30 AM

The way I remember that year as an eldergay. No one had ever seen a phenomenon like Julia Roberts. And we all watched it. And went to the movies for whatever reason that stupid movie did oi everyone. The movie is dreadful if you rewatch it. But she looks fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 104December 11, 2021 9:42 AM

In retrospect the universal success of PW is baffling. She was a prostitute! But the only risk to her was falling in love, not getting beaten, raped, robbed, exploited.

by Anonymousreply 105December 11, 2021 9:46 AM

as mentioned before it was meant to be an adult fairy tale. Its just she was kinda cute that the mainstream clung on to it. And I'm sorry she just looked fabulous shopping on Rodeo. It was like a frau dream

by Anonymousreply 106December 11, 2021 9:50 AM

I don't understand why a right cunt is not a DL fave. The gays love larger than life movie stars

by Anonymousreply 107December 11, 2021 9:52 AM

I don't get actors who are pissy about having to audition. He didn't get the role, and so the director obviously didn't think he was right for the role. Auditioning at least gave him a fighting chance, as opposed to not being allowed to audition. It seems his assumption was that if he had not had to audition, he would have been awarded the role based on prior work, eliminating Gere and all other actors from consideration.

by Anonymousreply 108December 11, 2021 9:54 AM

R33 = Jennifer Lawrence

by Anonymousreply 109December 11, 2021 9:54 AM

Yeah, I get it. It’s just such a ridiculous premise for the feel good movie of the year.

I’ve got a great pitch for you! It’s a rom com, two people from different worlds fall in love. He’s a corporate big wig. What is she? A maid? A nursery school teacher? A single mom down on her luck? No, no, she’s a whore. Literally. She gets paid for sex. It’s how they meet! Audiences will love it!

by Anonymousreply 110December 11, 2021 9:54 AM

Look, instead of fighting over Madonna and Julia Roberts, can we all just agree there is no bigger star today than Christie Metz? I defy Julia or Madge to get on a scale to prove they are bigger than Christie. She would have totally nailed the role of Vivian....BTW, has anyone else noticed how Christie rests her arms on her giant waist? It creeps me out.

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by Anonymousreply 111December 11, 2021 11:02 AM

I see people like Chrissy and it gives me a false sense of security that they are alive and walking around despite the abuse to their bodies.

by Anonymousreply 112December 11, 2021 11:17 AM

Going after Metz makes you people stereotypical shallow, mean bitches, who you can be sure are no prizes yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 113December 11, 2021 12:04 PM

Madonna was a global star. Julia was a big star in the US but you cannot compare Madonna, with her international touring and global stardom to a US movie star.

by Anonymousreply 114December 11, 2021 12:39 PM

R113 = This must be your first time on DL....I don't think you are going to be able to handle it......LoL

by Anonymousreply 115December 11, 2021 12:45 PM

Sometimes you don’t get the part but you have to shake it off and get right back on that horse.

by Anonymousreply 116December 11, 2021 1:01 PM

Maybe I’m misremembering but I didn’t think Richard Gere was even the first choice for lead in Pretty Woman. I thought a lot of the top actors at the time turned it down due to the subject matter. Gere wasn’t exactly A-list at the time himself, coming off a string of flops after his early 80s success. It doesn’t really make sense that Marshall would be so dismissive of Reeve.

by Anonymousreply 117December 11, 2021 1:12 PM

Sorry, this sounds more like he was a diva who was shitty to a casting director.

by Anonymousreply 118December 11, 2021 1:12 PM

Pretty Woman is a godawful movie. Yuck.

by Anonymousreply 119December 11, 2021 1:13 PM

I liked the part of Pretty Woman where AIDS and Street Prostitution didn't seem to co-exist...It was a beautiful love story and since the Hooker offered the John a condom nobody could catch anything at all.

by Anonymousreply 120December 11, 2021 1:18 PM

[quote]Yes Julia looked amazing for about 5 years lol. About 88-93

Which is quite a feat in itself given the hard living she was doing during that timespan. Chasing the dragon around '91-'92, when she did Hook and dumped Kiefer Sutherland for druggie Jason Patric.

by Anonymousreply 121December 11, 2021 2:48 PM

Reeve was great in Switching Channels with Kathleen Turner and Burt Reynolds. It was a huge flop, Turner and Reynolds hated each other, but Reeve was very funny in the movie. It's a shame he didn't get to do more comedy because he had terrific comic timing.

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by Anonymousreply 122December 11, 2021 4:47 PM

Wasn't Reeve notoriously difficult to work with? One of his costars from Superman 2 (the dumb villain in black) had such a bad experience working with him on that movie that he still bitches about him today.

by Anonymousreply 123December 11, 2021 4:55 PM

[quote]As it was, he took on a role in Somewhere In Time, a soap opera that did his career no good, and it must have made him wary.

"Somewhere in Time" now has a very devoted cult following. Its soundtrack was John Barry's best-selling film score.

by Anonymousreply 124December 11, 2021 5:45 PM

[quote]Wasn't Reeve notoriously difficult to work with?

I worked on the movie of "Deathtrap" and was there for the entire shoot. Both Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve couldn't have been easier or more professional to work with. Dyan Cannon on the other hand . . .

by Anonymousreply 125December 11, 2021 5:48 PM

Ooh please share stories, r125! I love that movie. I loved the house interiors though I suppose they were just sets.

by Anonymousreply 126December 11, 2021 6:18 PM

Stockard Channing brings Rizzo to the Lois Lane audition @ 15:20. Pretty funny. I think Stockard would have been too distracting knowing she would have worn Superman's manhood down to a nub! She would have shimmied on Superman's pipe all night long.

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by Anonymousreply 127December 11, 2021 6:20 PM

[quote]Ooh please share stories, R125! I love that movie. I loved the house interiors though I suppose they were just sets.

Just one large breakaway set, designed by Tony Walton (Julie Andrews' ex-husband). Except for a few exteriors shot at a house on Long Island and some interiors at the Music Box Theatre (where the play "Deathtrap" was still running as the movie was being shot), the eight-week shoot took place entirely in the former Pathe studio in Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 128December 11, 2021 7:14 PM

Thank you, r125. Any truth to the stories that Caine and Reeve had to be drunk in order to film the kissing scene? They don’t look drunk at all in the scene and in hindsight it sounds like something they claimed more to appease homophobic critics of the day.

by Anonymousreply 129December 11, 2021 7:27 PM

No truth at all, R125. A normal shooting day like any other. I was standing right behind the camera when that scene was shot. They had a job to do and they did it, quickly and professionally, and then on to the next scene. I think they did it pretty much in one take, and then they did an alternative take (to be inserted when the movie was shown on TV) that eliminated the actual kiss. The director, Sidney Lumet, was known for running a very tight ship and brooking no nonsense from actors. He often brought movies in ahead of schedule. Even "Deathtrap," which was a relatively quick shoot, came in a bit ahead of schedule.

What a bullshit story (about them having to get drunk), but I guess it was entertaining fodder for the gossip columns and the people who believed what they read in the gossip columns.

by Anonymousreply 130December 11, 2021 8:21 PM

I had the same driver he used whenever he wss in London. The driver told me he hated to see the guy in such bad shape after his riding accident, but Reeves was the biggest prick customer he ever had I believe the driver

by Anonymousreply 131December 11, 2021 8:31 PM

Thank you, r130. I think Caine himself told the story on Carson or something but maybe it was a PR move when there was backlash over the kiss and the movie tanked. Caine never struck me as one to be squeamish about anything like that. I noticed the “we had to get drunk to power through the kiss” was a standard story actors told in the 90s-2000s when gay roles were becoming more common. Thankfully actors today seem to have moved past that nonsense

by Anonymousreply 132December 11, 2021 8:34 PM

R132, Heath Ledger was one of the first actors to be a grown up about it, when he was questioned about Brokeback Mountain. He said something like, "you just remember that it's another human being, and you get on with it."

by Anonymousreply 133December 11, 2021 8:41 PM

This is tough--Reeve was certainly a big enough star that Roberts should have read with him, but who knows the real story. Reading with casting directors is tough. Judy Bowman's assistant once typed on her computer through my entire audition! Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 134December 11, 2021 8:49 PM

Charles Grodin was the first choice for Pretty Woman. I think Reeve would've been a very interesting choice.

by Anonymousreply 135December 12, 2021 6:00 AM

The poster is what pushed the movie. And it's not even Julia's body. Her face is photoshopped onto Shelley Michelle.

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by Anonymousreply 136December 12, 2021 6:13 AM

I agree that Madonna was the most famous in world at time . And that still did not make the hollow narcissist happy.

by Anonymousreply 137December 12, 2021 6:25 AM

Fuck off, narcissism troll. No suck thing exists.

by Anonymousreply 138December 12, 2021 6:33 AM

R60, Christopher Reeve was conceited beyond belief. Watch any of his appearances on Carson, etc., back before his accident and he acts as if the world revolves around him. All because of 'Superman'.

No doubt he wasn't considered because by 1989-1990 it was clear he was NOT the star he believed himself to be. Proven by the fact that all his films, with the exception of Superman 1 and 2, were box office disasters.

by Anonymousreply 139December 12, 2021 6:49 AM

Chris Reeve was very good looking

by Anonymousreply 140December 12, 2021 7:05 AM

Wow. That was profound R140. I don't think anyone knew that.

by Anonymousreply 141December 12, 2021 8:27 AM

[quote]Charles Grodin was the first choice for Pretty Woman.

🤔

by Anonymousreply 142December 12, 2021 10:01 AM

You know what was weird? That picture Switching Channels. The male leads were Burt Reynolds and Chris Reeve. It was circa 1990, and to my mind, both of them were firmly B list by that time. However, the female was someone who was still A list, Kathleen Turner! She must have had an awful agent, because it made her look like she was slumming. Sure enough, she eventually joined Burt and Reeve on the B list, though Reeve got hurt, and Burt had slipped down to C list.

by Anonymousreply 143December 12, 2021 10:18 AM

Small correction Switching Channels was 1988, and Turner was coming off Jewel of the Nile, War of the Roses, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Burt and Chris had had a string of flops and had been voted box office poison by theater owners.

by Anonymousreply 144December 12, 2021 10:23 AM

R139 Superman III did well too, IV flopped however

by Anonymousreply 145December 12, 2021 10:29 AM

UGH. I don't even care about this discussion BUT there was NOBODY bigger than Madonna in1990 except for MAYBE MJ. But she also gets credit for being extremely famous the decade before. So the 90s was a continuum of her fame. No contest here.

Silly rabbits

by Anonymousreply 146December 12, 2021 10:46 AM

Yeah Madonna was bigger. She was at her apex. Literally everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 147December 12, 2021 10:50 AM

[quote] BUT there was NOBODY bigger than Madonna in1990 except for MAYBE MJ.

No, Julia Roberts was bigger than both of them. No one in the world was more famous than Julie Roberts after Pretty Woman came out.

by Anonymousreply 148December 12, 2021 11:01 AM

Maybe, just MAYBE start a Pretty Woman thread.

Never mind...I guess this is it.

by Anonymousreply 149December 12, 2021 11:52 AM

Jennifer Lawrence got $25 million USE for her role in Netflix film “Don’t Look Up”.

Sandra Bullock received only five million USD less ($20 million) for ""The Los City of D"

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by Anonymousreply 150December 12, 2021 12:17 PM

R149, BIG mistake. Huge!

by Anonymousreply 151December 12, 2021 1:40 PM

I always thought Madonna was trash and Julia lucky.

agreed

by Anonymousreply 152December 12, 2021 2:31 PM

I forgot who said that Reeve was such a cunt that he deserved what happened to him. Someone famous, not on DL.

by Anonymousreply 153December 12, 2021 2:32 PM

How would Christopher Reeve get down the fire escape in the last scene in his wheelchair?

by Anonymousreply 154December 12, 2021 2:33 PM

An usher, Rose!

by Anonymousreply 155December 12, 2021 2:35 PM

R153, absolutely rubbish! No one deserves that . If Chris was an asshole, he certainly redeemed himself after the horrid accident . He did so much for spinal cord research.

by Anonymousreply 156December 12, 2021 3:49 PM

He was never an A-list actor, he just had a popular superhero series.

by Anonymousreply 157December 12, 2021 4:03 PM

R19 Excuse me! Did you forget We're the Millers? $26M plus $5M back end!

by Anonymousreply 158December 12, 2021 4:10 PM

Get the attitude on Miss Reeve!

by Anonymousreply 159December 12, 2021 4:12 PM

My guess is the idiot pushing the "Julia Roberts was bigger than Madonna" bullshit is Jabba. Jabba hates Madonna because Madonna puts Janet to shame in every way, shape and form. But then again, any singer does.

by Anonymousreply 160December 12, 2021 4:39 PM

[quote] Small correction Switching Channels was 1988, and Turner was coming off Jewel of the Nile, War of the Roses, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Burt and Chris had had a string of flops and had been voted box office poison by theater owners.

No, Turner was coming off of Peggy Sue Got Married, a minor hit. And she had another film, Julia & Julia, which opened at the same time as Switching Channels and bombed even worse, both critically and financially. Roger Rabbit didn't open until later in the year, and War of the Roses was more than 18 months away from release. Both films (and a cast against type role in The Accidental Tourist) actually brought her back to the A list for a (very) brief time, but she blew it with crap like V.I. Warshawski, House of Cards and Undercover Blues, which was her last lead in a feature film outside of Serial Mom.

by Anonymousreply 161December 12, 2021 4:45 PM

Reed was too clean cut and tall for the role. Gere can portray sleaze with ease. Can't imagine Reeve engaging a street walker? and yes, I saw Street Smart.

by Anonymousreply 162December 12, 2021 6:25 PM

Ripping the script in half was diva-ish, but I can see why Reeves was upset. Agree that it was probably not Julia Roberts' decision to read (or not) with Reeves.

I do think Richard Gere was replaceable. He's very wooden, IMO. Reeves maybe could have done it. Who knows.

Julia was essential to the huge success of PW, though.

by Anonymousreply 163December 12, 2021 8:07 PM

Christopher Reeve in Pretty Woman? What could have been.

by Anonymousreply 164December 13, 2021 1:21 AM

I think Richard Gere is daddy-ish and sexy in Pretty Woman and I cant imagine Reeve being either of those things

by Anonymousreply 165December 13, 2021 2:41 AM

The chemistry between Gere and Roberts is what makes the film work, although Roberts rise to stardom was another factor. But they really make the film work with their easy-going chemistry.

Watching it 30 years later,some aspects have not aged well, but their chemistry is still very strong and the film is still entertaining because of it.

by Anonymousreply 166December 13, 2021 3:00 AM

R143 I was actually always very curious about that too so you’re not wrong at all - it was on cable all the time in the early 90s and I always wondered what a rising A lister was doing in a movie with two actors who were basically complete jokes by that point (I actually assumed it must have been a movie “made for cable” - clearly it barely had a release). In any event, she clearly did not have a very good agent at the time.

Burt wasn’t bad (he can sleepwalk/wisecrack his way through movies like that) but Reeves was just terrible. I think Turner was pregnant while filming.

by Anonymousreply 167December 13, 2021 5:48 AM

Julia Roberts was nowhere close to being "Julia Roberts" at the time. Why wouldn't he get to read?

by Anonymousreply 168December 13, 2021 6:02 AM

It sounds like Grodin testing for the role helped Marshall to work out the characters:

"Director Garry Marshall encouraged Grodin to improvise during the screen-test opposite Julia Roberts, who was wearing a very skimpy outfit. They eventually decided that the part of Edward Lewis should be played straight while Julia Roberts character became the funny one."

by Anonymousreply 169December 13, 2021 6:08 AM

Once Roberts was cast, Marshall edged the film toward comedy, which created another issue. Roberts had limited experience with comedy, and wasn’t finding the right tone in early readings.

One improbable screen test helped her find the funny.

“I said, ‘Julia, I’m going to bring in an actor who is much, much funnier than you. He’s going to improvise, so try to stay with him,’ ” Marshall told the New York Times in 2000. “The actor was Charles Grodin. Suddenly, she had that championship spirit.”

by Anonymousreply 170December 13, 2021 6:12 AM

Great story. I always found Roberts very adept at comedy. She was a great damsel in distress but she was always a fine comedic actress.

by Anonymousreply 171December 13, 2021 6:16 AM

Christopher Reeves was almost worshiped after Superman. He was a super hero in many people's minds after the first 2 Superman movies he did. It went straight to his head. The way he was treated, like royalty and as if he could do no wrong, when he was young, handsome, and rich did a number on him. It's shocking how quickly his celebrity cooled, way before his unfortunate accident. He was still young and attractive and couldn't get another hit to rival Superman. It must have done a number on him to go from hot to not in the box office. Also, it's strange because at the time it seemed like audiences couldn't get enough of him. Did he never find the right role after Superman or was Superman the only great role he could play? Hard to say.

by Anonymousreply 172December 13, 2021 6:23 AM

[quote] Roberts had limited experience with comedy, and wasn’t finding the right tone in early readings.

Then they should’ve fired her ass and found someone who could do comedy.

by Anonymousreply 173December 13, 2021 6:24 AM

Also, there was something very wooden, old fashioned, and gallant about Christopher Reeve, even when at his most charming. It's hard to say if that kind of wooden gallantry would have struck the right tone in a comedy about a hooker.

by Anonymousreply 174December 13, 2021 6:26 AM

R125 and R126, the house used in the exterior is one of my favorite shingle-style houses, the DeRose Mansion, built in 1885. The windmill element was essentially a decorative folly. It is now owned by Robert Downey Jr.

by Anonymousreply 175December 13, 2021 6:46 AM

Can we get back to discussing Christopher Reeve's humiliation?

by Anonymousreply 176December 14, 2021 3:40 AM

Roberts wasn't available. Given the context, this was unlikely to be her pulling rank.

The Director was present. It sounds as if Reeve was not given a very enthusiastic reception, but it was hardly humiliating.

by Anonymousreply 177December 14, 2021 3:47 AM

Christopher Reeve exuded asexuality.

by Anonymousreply 178December 14, 2021 3:56 AM

As far as whores go, this Julia person wasn’t all that believable.

by Anonymousreply 179December 14, 2021 4:03 AM

Yet another elder here to attest that Madonna was a bigger star in the world than Julia in 1990.

by Anonymousreply 180December 14, 2021 4:23 AM

WTF?

Several B list actors have auditioned the same way,sometimes with directors telling them to not act, just read what is in the script page the same way a high-schooler would read a text.

It seems like he blew an opportunity for things not going exactly as he had pictured them.

by Anonymousreply 181December 18, 2021 9:34 AM

In the US, we're lucky in that at least we have access to hooded Mexican meat.

by Anonymousreply 182January 11, 2022 9:46 PM

[quote]Can you imagine Cavill being treated this way today?

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 183January 11, 2022 9:54 PM

[quote]Is this a bad time to make a Julia Roberts/horse joke?

how ironic. Horse used to be a term for heroin.

About 2 years after filming Pretty Woman, Julia had to go to rehab and get help for her heroin addiction. She was a junky whore

by Anonymousreply 184January 11, 2022 9:56 PM

[quote] NO ONE was more famous than Madonna on a global level at their peak than Madonna was at her peak

Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Elvis and Princess Diana are the only people I'd say were more famous.

by Anonymousreply 185January 11, 2022 10:10 PM

[quote]Madonna can do a greatest hits tour next year and break box office records

And likely break a hip, too!

by Anonymousreply 186January 11, 2022 10:22 PM

I’m surprised Reeve agreed to audition at all. And his community theatre reference shows what a cunt he must have been. He wasn’t exactly a great actor.

by Anonymousreply 187January 11, 2022 11:35 PM

Frankly, I don't think this story makes him look good at all.

by Anonymousreply 188January 12, 2022 9:05 PM

R188 why??

by Anonymousreply 189January 13, 2022 3:33 PM

Julia Roberts had two big career peaks, the first being in the late 80s-early 90s (Mystic Pizza-The Pelican Brief) and the second being in the late 90s-early 00s (My Best Friend's Wedding-Ocean's 11). She's been coasting on the fame and success she garnered from those two career peaks ever since.

In 1990 Madonna had already been around for 7 years and was already in icon territory. You couldn't really compare the two as everyone already knew who Madonna was at that point and most people were just waking up to Julia Roberts. No one could have predicted that Pretty Woman would have been the huge success that it was and the star that it would turn Julia into. Granted, she had just come off Steel Magnolias where she got a BSA nomination, but she was the lone relative unknown in that cast. It's kind of like how Jennifer Lawrence got awards recognition for Winter's Bone, but didn't become a huge star until The Hunger Games and Silver Linings Playbook.

The irony is that Julia's films that immediately succeeded Pretty Women involved pretty dark and bleak subject matters (Flatliners, Sleeping with the Enemy, Dying Young), but the success of Pretty Woman and her star wattage sustained her in those early years until the mid-90s when she seemed to recede in popularity with poor film choices and a lower profile.

by Anonymousreply 190January 13, 2022 4:45 PM

I'd say Robert has played the game very well.

by Anonymousreply 191January 13, 2022 4:50 PM

I know Madonna is MADONNA. But for a year or two in the early 90's Julia was the biggest star in the world. There was no way around it. Madonna also didn't take too kind to "the movie star" showing her up at her own premiere. By all accounts both the press and the crowd were more interested in Julia Roberts than they were in Madonna"s awful movie.

by Anonymousreply 192January 16, 2022 5:10 AM

It would’ve been weird to have that role played by a guy in a wheelchair.

by Anonymousreply 193January 16, 2022 5:34 AM

I've seen a lot of movies, but I've never seen PW. I don't like Julia Roberts and Richard Gere is never believable or interesting in anything. And the subject matter sounds like Disney's "Prostitution Cinderella".

by Anonymousreply 194January 16, 2022 6:17 AM

I never heard anywhere that Christopher Reeves was a "prick" or "conceited" or hard to work with or anything like that until AFTER he was dead. Which makes the accusations rather suspect. And I never heard any gay rumors about him except on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 195January 16, 2022 6:35 AM

Don’t BE ridiculous! NO ONE has ever been as big, well known and famous as Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 196January 16, 2022 6:55 AM

Oh hun, if Madonna in all her highness, ever took the time to say someone was "almost" as famous as her. It means they were. And she was well aware. "I know who you are."

by Anonymousreply 197January 16, 2022 7:52 AM

R193 Agreed. How would he have gotten up the fire escape with his chair?

by Anonymousreply 198January 16, 2022 8:40 AM
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