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The Official Monkees Appreciation Thread

I was six at the height of the Monkees craze and sure, through the year liked their hits. I've been taking a deep dive into the catalouge and I was amazed I hadn't before.

My God. They have many great songs besides the top hits! I put on their albums front to back and haven't found a song a didn't like. Mostly, though what stood out was that Mickey Dolenz is an incredible singer, very expressive with a unique tone.

Do you have any Monkees favorite songs? Any stories? I'm obsessed! TIA!

This version of Nine Times Blue is so sweet.

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by Anonymousreply 167December 16, 2021 4:09 AM

For a fake group, the writers came up with some exceptionally good songs.

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by Anonymousreply 1December 8, 2021 1:27 AM

Poor r1 cannot tell the difference between a tv show and a real band that recorded and toured.

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by Anonymousreply 2December 8, 2021 1:38 AM

"A Little Bit Me, a Little Bit You"

Nickelodeon introduced me to the Monkees.

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by Anonymousreply 3December 8, 2021 1:53 AM

One of my favorites of theirs.

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by Anonymousreply 4December 8, 2021 2:00 AM

Last Train to Clarksville - a wonderful non-Beatles Beatles song - followed by Daydream Believer.

by Anonymousreply 5December 8, 2021 2:02 AM

Excluding The Monkees from the R&R Hall of Fame is really pitiful.

by Anonymousreply 6December 8, 2021 2:03 AM

Last Train video:

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by Anonymousreply 7December 8, 2021 2:07 AM

They started showing the reruns in the afternoons when I was a kid in the early 80s, and everyone I knew was into watching it. We had no idea who they were. I thought Peter was just the cutest thing!

Here he is with some puppies.

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by Anonymousreply 8December 8, 2021 2:09 AM

R4, I was going to post that song. I never knew Mickey could sound so gorgeous. Love it.

by Anonymousreply 9December 8, 2021 2:09 AM

There are1960s polaroids of myself in a pram with Mama Cass and Mike Nesmith Show Biz Baby Dolls. My favorite Monkees song is Daydream Believer( I know I'm trite), and the first 45 I ever bought with my very first allowance money was Mike Nesmith's Joanne.

by Anonymousreply 10December 8, 2021 2:16 AM

[quote]For a fake group, the writers came up with some exceptionally good songs.

Honey, the Partridge Family was a fake group. These boys could play and sing.

by Anonymousreply 11December 8, 2021 2:17 AM

Hey hey they are the monkeys

by Anonymousreply 12December 8, 2021 2:28 AM

I didn't mind hearing them on the radio, but I really didn't like the TV show.

by Anonymousreply 13December 8, 2021 2:43 AM

When the series first came on, I remember lots of the boys in junior high wearing knit caps like Mike Nesmith. That fad lasted about two weeks.

by Anonymousreply 14December 8, 2021 2:46 AM

R10, here's a 2016 song for you, Mickey singing harmony with Mike. This is one of thier best.

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by Anonymousreply 15December 8, 2021 4:01 AM

I downloaded an album of their 'Greatest Hits.' The worst, the absolute worst. They weren't even decentbubblegum music. And I own a copy of the first Patridge Family album.

by Anonymousreply 16December 8, 2021 6:12 AM

Riu Chiu

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by Anonymousreply 17December 9, 2021 12:27 AM

I tried watching the first episode of the TV show a while back and didn't make it through 10 minutes, it was so bad. Loved it as a kid, though.

by Anonymousreply 18December 9, 2021 12:43 AM

Love this one. The opening guitar riff just shocked my cat awake.

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by Anonymousreply 19December 9, 2021 1:03 AM

I was too young but have come to really appreciate them. This one is my favorite.

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by Anonymousreply 20December 9, 2021 1:17 AM

"Valerie"

I am same age but really don't remember watching them in original primetime so much as when they went immediately into successful syndication on the old "UHF" local TV channels in the late 1960s-early 1970s on Saturday mornings. Good times, and very of their time.

by Anonymousreply 21December 9, 2021 1:22 AM

It's actually "Valleri"! I mention that not as an "Oh, dear," but as a point of interest. The unusual spelling seems odd to me for that era.

by Anonymousreply 22December 9, 2021 1:39 AM

Fr17, those harmonies are gorgeous. They blend so well. This is my mere fave.

by Anonymousreply 23December 9, 2021 2:53 AM

This is psychedelic rock at its finest. Why have I never heard these till now! Mikey had one is the best voices.

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by Anonymousreply 24December 9, 2021 2:56 AM

They were more talented then they were given credit for. They made some of the greatest pop hits. They should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They're a lot more deserving than a lot of others who have been inducted.

by Anonymousreply 25December 9, 2021 2:59 AM

They're the only people who've ever been able to make me like Neil Diamond songs. They recorded a bunch of good ones.

by Anonymousreply 26December 9, 2021 4:16 AM

Good thread! I saw them twice in the 80’s when I was a teenager, they have a lot of great songs. Davey is so dreamy 😍

by Anonymousreply 27December 9, 2021 1:36 PM

Because I didn't care for their show at the time it aired or on reruns I didn't get into their non-hit songs. The Monkees have a lot of really good songs, some very experimental, melody-wise or musically which sound like something Brian Wilson was aiming for. I think the Monkees catalouge is far superiorthan the Beach Boys.

by Anonymousreply 28December 9, 2021 5:29 PM

"The Girl I Knew Somewhere" has always been my favorite. Written by Mike Nesmith, it was the B-side to "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You" and didn't get released on any albums until the various greatest hits compilations. Per Wikipedia, "... 'The Girl I Knew Somewhere' was the first song recorded by the Monkees containing instruments performed by the band members."

And in this video, we get the extra benefit of the lovely Julie Newmar.

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by Anonymousreply 29December 9, 2021 7:58 PM

Six Feet Under was filmed on the same stage as The Monkees at Sunset Gower studios

by Anonymousreply 30December 9, 2021 8:07 PM

A few weeks ago I went to see Mickey and Mike in concert at the Greek Theatre here in Los Angeles. It was a wonderful, poignantly nostalgic show. Mickey’s voice is still pretty powerful. Mike is up there in age but managed to deliver. Those guys made excellent records back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 31December 9, 2021 8:13 PM

“When I first met you girl you didn’t have no shoes….and now you’re walking ‘round like you’re front-page news”

That line from “I’m not your stepping stone,” and Mickey’s acid delivery, always cracked me up. No shoes! She must have been real trash, lol.

by Anonymousreply 32December 9, 2021 8:18 PM

Dig this - a tour de force by Mickey! And he can still sing it.

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by Anonymousreply 33December 9, 2021 8:20 PM

All of them seem like nice guys. None that I know of had the reputation of being an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 34December 9, 2021 8:24 PM

Unbelievable their rendition of "Snowfall." Sirius played it on one of their holiday channels and I wondered what groups is that, and could not believe it was the Monkees. The orchestration and singing just amazing. Onto You Tube, I downloaded and burned it onto a cd.

by Anonymousreply 35December 9, 2021 8:29 PM
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by Anonymousreply 36December 9, 2021 8:42 PM

OMG Davy is so cute!!!

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by Anonymousreply 37December 9, 2021 8:44 PM

R33, have you seen this video? I've read that Micky Dolenz has claimed that he recorded this song in 1 take.

I saw the Monkees back in those 1980s reunion tours when it was Jones, Dolenz, & Tork, then later after Davy died and it was Dolenz, Tork, & Nesmith. Sadly, I never saw all 4 of them together.

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by Anonymousreply 38December 9, 2021 8:45 PM

I love this song, so trippy!

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by Anonymousreply 39December 9, 2021 8:47 PM
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by Anonymousreply 40December 9, 2021 8:48 PM

The Monkees dip into psychedelia

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by Anonymousreply 41December 9, 2021 8:54 PM
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by Anonymousreply 42December 9, 2021 8:59 PM

My fave tune of theirs is ‘Mary, Mary’ because it’s about DLers.

by Anonymousreply 43December 9, 2021 9:33 PM

"Salesman", from my favorite episode "The Devil and Peter Tork".

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by Anonymousreply 44December 9, 2021 9:55 PM

Mike Nesmith's mother invented white out.

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by Anonymousreply 45December 9, 2021 10:07 PM

Mickey’s a real showman, lots of soul.

by Anonymousreply 46December 9, 2021 10:10 PM

Bubblegum crap.

by Anonymousreply 47December 9, 2021 10:17 PM

Never fails to cheer me up.

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by Anonymousreply 48December 9, 2021 10:42 PM

Mickey is one of those rare campy straight guys who is funny naturally. He's wasn't traditionally handsome b ut he was really cute and had that "it" factor. Plus his voice!

by Anonymousreply 49December 9, 2021 10:46 PM

A long time ago, I read Davy Jones' autobiography, long out of print. He said that he called Mickey "Skillet Face." Also that he had disgusting table manners. But nothing can change the fact that Mickey Dolenz had a great, kind of off-key but distinctive voice and never made you cringe with secondhand embarrassment, unlike a certain Artful Dodger.

by Anonymousreply 50December 9, 2021 10:51 PM

"Skillet Face," 😆

by Anonymousreply 51December 10, 2021 11:14 AM

Ok well everyone thought here's a sort of fun, clean group of guys. They were dropping acid and getting stoned out of their gourds. Personally, I don't care but they had much of the public fooled.

I have a good deal of time around Mickey Dolenz. He's a raging alcoholic and a jerk.

by Anonymousreply 52December 10, 2021 11:20 AM

Micky (NOT Mickey) Dolenz was a child star who had his own TV series (and related comic book.)

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by Anonymousreply 53December 10, 2021 2:29 PM

Not many people know that when the Monkees first toured Hendrix was their opening act!

by Anonymousreply 54December 10, 2021 4:10 PM

Mike Nesmith has died.

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by Anonymousreply 55December 10, 2021 4:42 PM

This thread probably killed him.

by Anonymousreply 56December 10, 2021 4:49 PM

I read an interview with Peter Tork once who said they all could play and sing, but their real talents weren't the ones featured in the group. He said if they'd done everything strictly on talents, it would have been Davy on drums, Mickey as lead singer exclusively, Peter on lead guitar, and Mike on bass.

You can tell from the records that they were talented guys. Nobody bats an eye these days when a record company creates a group--it doesn't mean the individual members don't have talent. Otherwise, K-POP wouldn't exist at all.

by Anonymousreply 57December 10, 2021 4:53 PM

The curse of Datalounge strikes again.

Mike's passing is very sad news. The only Monkee still living now is Micky Dolenz.

by Anonymousreply 58December 10, 2021 4:54 PM

Skillet Face for the win.

by Anonymousreply 59December 10, 2021 4:55 PM

Strange timing to hear this news of Mike Nesmith's passing ... something compelled me to read up on the Monkees last night. I can remember watching the TV show on Saturday mornings when it was in reruns in the 1970s. As a young boy, all I knew was that I was jealous that four boys got to live together without having parents around, and I wanted Micky Dolenz to be my best friend ... he made me feel funny. And now Micky is the only one left!

by Anonymousreply 60December 10, 2021 5:05 PM

Awww! Cute

by Anonymousreply 61December 10, 2021 5:11 PM

I saw Davy Jones in person one time, in the 1970s when our school took a field trip to UCLA for some Renaissance Fair type of event. He was there to present an award to someone, in the huge Royce Hall, some actor or contest winner. He was late and they had to kind of ad lib the show for a while until he got there. He was shorter than I expected him to be.

by Anonymousreply 62December 10, 2021 5:11 PM

Instant charming nostalgia burst. Loved The Monkees, parents bought me their annuals at Christmas, and their greatest hits are pure pop pleasure. Amazing how much great music pumped out of the radio in those days, a lovely soundtrack to youth.

by Anonymousreply 63December 10, 2021 5:32 PM

As a kid in the ‘60s, I thought that the Monkees were so popular that they were given their own TV show.

by Anonymousreply 64December 10, 2021 5:39 PM

Yeah, he was extremely short, R62. Something like 5'1".

by Anonymousreply 65December 10, 2021 5:49 PM

While I'm sure I heard their songs playing in the background in early childhood, my first real exposure to them came in the early 70s when I was about 10 and the series aired on Saturday mornings.

I thought the show was a perfect Saturday morning series -- mindless, nonsensical, stupid and fun with some really good songs. It was good for a kids show.

It wasn't until years later that I learned The Monkees had originally been in primetime on NBC on Mondays at 7:30 p.m. It aired for two seasons! I was stunned to read that cause this show seems too dumb to be a show aimed at adults. But it was clearly following in the mold of Hard Days Night and Help, so I guess it had an audience in the mid 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 66December 10, 2021 6:03 PM

The show was made by Screen Gems, and if you watch it carefully, you can feel that Screen Gems vibe. But surprisingly, The Monkees is actually in some ways more sophisticated and avant garde than other Screen Gems shows like Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Hazel, The Partridge Family, Gidget, The Flying Nun, The Donna Reed Show, etc. Even the opening credits and closing credits of The Monkees are truly works of art.

by Anonymousreply 67December 10, 2021 6:28 PM

Mike Nesmith died today.

Start looking over your shoulder Mickey.

by Anonymousreply 68December 10, 2021 7:02 PM

Someone mentioned Mike’s wool hat - it took a few decades, but that was a trend in the 90’s that still continues today. Ahead of his time!

by Anonymousreply 69December 10, 2021 7:22 PM

Micky was a surprise to see while watching the old Peyton Place episodes during early Covid days …

by Anonymousreply 70December 10, 2021 8:24 PM
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by Anonymousreply 71December 10, 2021 8:48 PM

So true, R69! All those hat-wearing millennial hipsters probably don't even know.

by Anonymousreply 72December 10, 2021 9:08 PM

"The Monkees" (the TV series, not the group) won the Emmy for Best Comedy series in 1968. And was cancelled the next year.

by Anonymousreply 73December 10, 2021 9:17 PM

The stocking cap thing goes back at least to the grunge era in the 90s (so pre-millennial). I don't think Nesmith inspired it, but maybe all those reruns on MTV and Nickelodeon in the 80s sunk in.

by Anonymousreply 74December 10, 2021 9:21 PM

Another classic Mike composition.

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by Anonymousreply 75December 11, 2021 1:26 AM

I'm thinking maybe Davy Jones called Micky Dolenz 'Skillet Face" as a term of endearment. He may have been just being cheeky when he said Dolenz had "disgusting table manners." Anyway, I remember a photo taken by the photographer Norman Seeff that showed Jones, Dolenz and Tork in some nondescript room. Jones has pulled his pants down and is mooning the camera (he had a very unimpressive ass). Dolenz and Tork are seating on either side of him, and they all are laughing. I guess they liked cutting up. They seemed to be getting along pretty well, although maybe in that picture they were drunk or stoned.

Dolenz seemed to harbor hostility towards Mike Nesmith. On some tv show about the Monkees he sneered about Nesmith: "HE wasn't the heartthrob. I was." Davy Jones could be quite a dick. But then none of the the Monkees were particularly likeable, as far as I know. I liked them as a band, though. They made some great music.

by Anonymousreply 76December 11, 2021 1:59 AM

When Mike does that little wink at the camera around 1:45 in the video at R76...

by Anonymousreply 77December 11, 2021 2:42 AM

I love that wink at the end of "Papa Gene's Blues." So cute.

by Anonymousreply 78December 11, 2021 2:46 AM

This is such a great thread. It brings back many happy memories. I was 9 or 10 when the show first aired. Every kid in school talked about it. We loved all the songs and thought they were all cute.

What a wonderful time to be a kid and watch The Monkees, Batman, Dark Shadows, Time Tunnel, Green Hornet and so many other shows on nearly every day.

by Anonymousreply 79December 11, 2021 3:37 AM

Michael Nesmith just passed away at age 78. Now there is only one member of The Monkees left.

by Anonymousreply 80December 11, 2021 3:54 AM

R80, see R55.

by Anonymousreply 81December 11, 2021 4:38 AM

I've the audition tapes of Mike Nesmith and Davy Jones when they were trying out for the Monkees. Nesmith came off as a weirdo, moving around, acting strangely. Davy seemed sweet and nice. The person doing the audition asked him "What's your bag?" and he said something like "I don't get it." "What's your bag" was a dumb hippie way of asking what you did, what you were into. The guy then asked him "what kind of sound do you make" and he said "I make a terrible sound!" He was cute and funny. I never saw the auditions of Dolenz and Tork. I wonder how they behaved. Probably not very well.

by Anonymousreply 82December 11, 2021 5:31 AM

I always had a soft spot for these guys, and Nesmith especially.

This was always my favorite Monkees tune:

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by Anonymousreply 83December 11, 2021 6:54 AM

Davy was in the original Broadway cast of Oliver as the Artful Dodger. The cast, including Davy, appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show as was pretty common for Broadway shows. The night they appeared happened to be the exact same night a certain British quartet made their history making debut on American television - The Beatles.

“I watched the Beatles from the side of the stage,” Jones recalled in the book Right Here on Our Stage Tonight! Ed Sullivan’s America. “I saw the girls going crazy, and I said to myself, ‘This is it, I want a piece of that.’”

I always thought it was a cool coincidence that he ended up on the same show as The Beatles.

by Anonymousreply 84December 11, 2021 10:11 AM

Davy Jones showing us some nice butt....

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by Anonymousreply 85December 11, 2021 10:29 AM

R83 I like that song too. It’s got some fun lines, that Mike delivers well: “Just a loudmouthed Yankee, I went down to Mexico.”….”But I guess your chances come but once, and boy I sure missed mine.” Mike was very Texan.

by Anonymousreply 86December 11, 2021 11:53 AM

Mike Nesmith tribute on MeTV tomorrow afternoon.

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by Anonymousreply 87December 11, 2021 1:56 PM

[quote]Dolenz seemed to harbor hostility towards Mike Nesmith. On some tv show about the Monkees he sneered about Nesmith: "HE wasn't the heartthrob. I was."

Well, at least now he's the only one whose heart is still throbbing.

I was a kid in the Monkees' heyday and believe me, girls were mad for Davy and pretty much Davy only. He was the teen idol of the four. I secretly thought Peter was cute. But it was Davy, Davy, Davy the girls wanted. I still think they hired Davy to add a Beatles-esque look and sound to the group.

by Anonymousreply 88December 11, 2021 3:02 PM

Now can I have my cap back?

by Anonymousreply 89December 11, 2021 3:05 PM

What I know is that Stephen Stills and Peter Tork were close friends. Stills tried out for the Monkees but was rejected for his bad teeth and thinning hair.

by Anonymousreply 90December 11, 2021 3:10 PM

R89 Wow, you're right!

by Anonymousreply 91December 11, 2021 3:19 PM

The only good Monkee was Mike Nesmith and that's because his mother invented white-out

by Anonymousreply 92December 11, 2021 3:21 PM

Peter Tork was married 4 times, and the others were all married 3 times. That's 13 wives between the 4 of them!

by Anonymousreply 93December 11, 2021 3:24 PM

Not only that r93 but between the four band members they had 11 daughters. Davy and Micky alone had 8 girls between them (4 daughters each, no sons). Useless trivia I know.

by Anonymousreply 94December 11, 2021 3:42 PM

Family members don't want to talk about the cause of death because Nesmith was a Christian Scientist. He had quadruple bypass surgery 4 years ago but only went to doctors "when he had to" (don't most people?). His manager would sometimes force him to go.

It's such a bizarre religion--followers force themselves into denial about the fact that they are dying when everyone knows the truth but have to pretend it's all fine. If you die it's because you didn't have enough faith, shame on you.

by Anonymousreply 95December 11, 2021 3:45 PM

I've been binging on their show and it's strange. I know it's supposed to be madcap with quirky editing but often scenes go on too long, Davy makes weird bored faces and Micky is a great scene stealer. I've seen a few a guest character actors seem to be acting in a whole modern style that stands out in the scenes. It's bizarre. But really is entertaining.

They should be the R&R Hall of Fame.

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by Anonymousreply 96December 11, 2021 4:04 PM

How nice for you R52, but I don’t care.

by Anonymousreply 97December 11, 2021 4:12 PM

R52 I can easily picture that

by Anonymousreply 98December 11, 2021 4:16 PM

Peter Tork was so hot when he was young. Also - we need bulge pictures.

by Anonymousreply 99December 11, 2021 4:19 PM

I didn't care that much for the Monkees, but I discovered a lot of Michael Nesmith's solo work in the late 80s or so, along with some of the early videos he made. This one is my favorite:

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by Anonymousreply 100December 11, 2021 4:58 PM

Just because R52 wrote it, it doesn’t make it true R98.

by Anonymousreply 101December 11, 2021 5:29 PM

My little sister had a giant crush on Davy Jones. This was in the early 80s and we were watching the reruns on afternoon TV. She was five years old and had just learned to write, and she was drawing hearts with "I Love Davy" scrawled in them using crayons and scrap paper. I guess he really was the ultimate non-threatening boy.

Come to think of it, her current husband is a total Davy Jones type: small, dark, big eyes. I guess that early imprinting stays with you.

by Anonymousreply 102December 11, 2021 5:31 PM

[quote] Dolenz seemed to harbor hostility towards Mike Nesmith. On some tv show about the Monkees he sneered about Nesmith: "HE wasn't the heartthrob. I was."

Oopa! It was Davy who made that comment about being the heartthrob, not Micky. Micky was certainly not a heartthrob. But he was attractive in a kind of goofy way.

by Anonymousreply 103December 11, 2021 7:48 PM

I remember when it came out (after the show cancellation) that Davy smoked (!) and had been married for at least a year. All those readers of 16 and Tiger Beat were devastated and angry those mags had led them astray, portraying Davy as single and clean living.

Luckily for them, the Partridge Family juggernaut was starting, so those mags pumped out tons of photos and stories about David Cassidy and won back those readers.

by Anonymousreply 104December 11, 2021 8:10 PM

Davy Jones was just a male Judy Carne

by Anonymousreply 105December 11, 2021 8:32 PM

Davy Jones looked high school age during the run of the show. No wonder the teenage girls went nuts for him.

by Anonymousreply 106December 11, 2021 8:54 PM

[quote]Just because [R52] wrote it, it doesn’t make it true [R98].

Exactly, r101. I knew one of his daughters, Ami, and spent some time around Dolenz. He was a goofy dad and a perfectly nice guy.

[quote]Dolenz seemed to harbor hostility towards Mike Nesmith. On some tv show about the Monkees he sneered about Nesmith: "HE wasn't the heartthrob. I was."

[quote]Oopa! It was Davy who made that comment about being the heartthrob, not Micky. Micky was certainly not a heartthrob. But he was attractive in a kind of goofy way.

Davy was always kind of resentful of Nesmith. Micky seemed to get along with everyone.

[quote]Family members don't want to talk about the cause of death because Nesmith was a Christian Scientist. He had quadruple bypass surgery 4 years ago but only went to doctors "when he had to" (don't most people?).

I don't remember where I read it, but the cause of death was heart failure. He declined surgery that might have prolonged his life and went home to die.

by Anonymousreply 107December 11, 2021 9:04 PM

Too bad he was a Christian Scientist. There have been lots of advances in heart surgery. People have surgery even in their 80s and get a decent quality of life.

by Anonymousreply 108December 11, 2021 9:10 PM

He had already had a quadruple bypass, r108. If you watch the Me and Magdelena video in the link, you can see how frail Nesmith is. I think he made the right choice.

I agree, shame about the CS thing. His right hand has 2 ankylosed fingers as a result.

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by Anonymousreply 109December 11, 2021 9:34 PM

I can understand wishing to die with dignity than spending the last few years of one's life in pain and in and out of the hospital. The problem with modern medicine is that it's gotten very good at prolonging life but is shitty at prolonging quality of life.

by Anonymousreply 110December 11, 2021 9:47 PM

Thank you for posting that article R109.

by Anonymousreply 111December 11, 2021 9:48 PM

I read on Micky Dolenz’s Wikipedia that he’s an atheist, so when he said “we know Mike was a Christian Scientist, I suspect he said it with some disdain,

by Anonymousreply 112December 12, 2021 1:50 AM

Davy really rocked the tambourine and maracas!

by Anonymousreply 113December 12, 2021 4:17 AM

Davy Jones was the grooviest.

by Anonymousreply 114December 12, 2021 4:52 AM

Axl Rose stole his dance moves from Davy.

by Anonymousreply 115December 12, 2021 4:59 AM

[quote] Davy Jones was just a male Judy Carne

Judy Burt's-Beard Carne could only dream to be as good looking as Davy Jones.

However I'm in the "Davy was the asshole" camp.

by Anonymousreply 116December 12, 2021 5:11 AM

Any atheist who can put up with a Christian Scientist couldn't possibly be a jerk. I suppose the reverse is true as well, but Mike was awfully prickly with the producer, even at the very beginning.

by Anonymousreply 117December 12, 2021 5:12 AM

[quote] I read an interview with Peter Tork once who said they all could play and sing, but their real talents weren't the ones featured in the group. He said if they'd done everything strictly on talents, it would have been Davy on drums, Mickey as lead singer exclusively, Peter on lead guitar, and Mike on bass.

I can understand Davy not being on drums - as the cutest "Paul McCartney" of the group, he had to be up front and center.

by Anonymousreply 118December 12, 2021 5:22 AM

I much preferred Mike Nesmith's version of "Different Drum" rather than cutesy, jingly Linda Ronstadt version. "Different Drum" was definitely a "guy" song. She sound kind of ridiculous singing the lyrics, which are obviously from a guy's point of view and include "now I ain't sayin' you ain't pretty." She did the same thing with Elvis Costello's "Girls Talk." It was a cynical guy song, but her version turned it into a bouncy, girlish little tune.

by Anonymousreply 119December 12, 2021 5:57 AM

After men took over "The House of the Rising Sun" I don't mind women taking any song they like.

by Anonymousreply 120December 12, 2021 7:00 AM

Davy was my very first crush. I was too young to understand what I felt, but I sure felt it.

An interesting and talented group of young men.

by Anonymousreply 121December 12, 2021 7:13 AM

The auditions for the Monkees are on YouTube, and when you watch the four boys mixed in with the ones who didn't make it, you can tell why they got cast. In particular, Jones and Dolenz just pop off the screen. Tork and Nesmith both have a quirky charm, too: It was a great mix they came up with.

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by Anonymousreply 122December 12, 2021 7:20 AM

Lol, 122, some of the other actors seemed to be just watching Micky instead of interacting or auditioning.

by Anonymousreply 123December 12, 2021 1:38 PM

R114 Funny, I think Linda singing "I ain't sayin you ain't pretty" is kind of fun...you picture this guy whom she knows is a little too into his own good looks.

by Anonymousreply 124December 12, 2021 1:45 PM

[quote]Funny, I think Linda singing "I ain't sayin you ain't pretty" is kind of fun

I agree, but in the 60s the line didn't make sense but today it does make sense

by Anonymousreply 125December 12, 2021 10:10 PM

[quote]Davy really rocked the tambourine and maracas!

OMG!!! It's Suzanne Crough posting from the dead.

by Anonymousreply 126December 12, 2021 10:10 PM

God, Jones couldn't have weighed more than 100 pounds during the filming of the series. Just a tiny, tiny man.

by Anonymousreply 127December 12, 2021 11:00 PM

On those screen tests that R122 posted, the blond guy in the hat during Micky's audition is Michael Burns, who previously starred in Wagon Train. My sister had a huge crush on him, as he became a teen idol himself.

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by Anonymousreply 128December 12, 2021 11:05 PM

Michael Burns was a teeny tiny type like Jones. I think he was only 5'3.

by Anonymousreply 129December 12, 2021 11:15 PM

Jeez, Michael Burns left Hollywood not long after the Monkees audtions and got a PhD in history from Yale. He taught at Mt Holyoke for decades and wrote acclaimed academic books. Talk about a sliding doors moment, not getting the Monkees role.

by Anonymousreply 130December 12, 2021 11:26 PM

Some weird things in that audition reel at R122 -- Screen Gems signed Davy Jones right after his Ed Sullivan appearance (and award-winning Artful Dodger) and I read they knew they wanted him but needed to find the three other ones. I guess they still needed the reel and have him pretend he didn't know anything about singing or dancing?

Also, there's a steely feisty edge to Mike in the first few minutes of the youtube. They should have known he'd be trouble, fighting the producers from the start. Oh well, hind sight is everything. He's more charismatic than most of the others and very handsome.

by Anonymousreply 131December 13, 2021 2:15 AM

R118, they were also worried that with Jones’ height people wouldn’t be able to see him if he played the drums.

by Anonymousreply 132December 13, 2021 2:27 AM

He does play drums in a few of their videos. He also looks high AF in this one.

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by Anonymousreply 133December 13, 2021 2:34 AM

Looking at many of these clips makes me realize I like the songs where Micky sings lead much more than the ones Davy sings.

I can happily live the rest if my life and never hear Daydream Fucking Believer again.

by Anonymousreply 134December 13, 2021 2:50 AM

Yeah, Davy belonged in Dickens - or Mary Poppins - he'd have done a better Chim-Chimmeny than Van Dyke for sure. But I guess, wouldn't we all?

by Anonymousreply 135December 13, 2021 2:59 AM

Micky Dolenz had a fantastic, distinctive voice. He should have been lead singer on every song.

by Anonymousreply 136December 13, 2021 3:10 AM

R136 Mike had a great voice too - very distinctive and he basically invented country rock.

I didn’t really appreciate his songs until I got a bit older, but many of my favorites are his.

by Anonymousreply 137December 13, 2021 5:51 AM

Davy had a fine shirtless body

by Anonymousreply 138December 13, 2021 9:12 AM

I thought most of the guys auditioning did well. I might have picked others over the final 4.

by Anonymousreply 139December 13, 2021 9:29 AM

Davy had such a distinctive speaking voice, rich and warm. And of course the accent was a nice addition.

by Anonymousreply 140December 13, 2021 2:22 PM

Davy did have a lovely speaking voice. His singing voice was better for Broadway musicals for sure. Micky Dolenz, I think, had one of the more underrated voices of rock music. I thought Mike sang well too.

by Anonymousreply 141December 13, 2021 2:27 PM

[quote]Davy had a fine shirtless body

Only a pedobear would say that. Pedobear

by Anonymousreply 142December 13, 2021 3:45 PM

Rose Marie was on one episode and said, "When she finished she had lice."

by Anonymousreply 143December 13, 2021 3:46 PM

The Monkees, angry at not having creative control of their songs and at the way they were being handled, stupidly refused to record "Sugar, Sugar." Don Kirshner (he knew a hit record when he heard it) wanted them to do it but they snottily refused not to. What a shame. The song was then recorded by a REALLY fake band, "The Archies." They were CARTOONS. But they were certainly more cooperative than the Monkees. Of course "Sugar, Sugar" became a monster hit; it was #1 on the Billboard chart for four weeks. Such a pity the Monkees didn't do it. It was perfect for Davy Jone's voice. Whenever I hear that song I imagine Davy Jones singing it in his silky smooth teen idol voice, "Sugah...aw, honey, honey. You are mah candy guuuurl, and you got me wantin' youuu..."

by Anonymousreply 144December 13, 2021 4:13 PM

I didn’t know that about “sugar sugar.” Davy would indeed have been perfect for it, although Micky would have sounded good as well. Oh well, they had a lot of other hits. Davy did sing the treacly “cuddly toy.”

by Anonymousreply 145December 13, 2021 4:59 PM

Basically Mike was the downfall of the Monkees. His dissatisfaction must have been palpable. If he wanted to be taken seriously as a musician he shouldn’t have auditioned to be in a fake band on a goofy show. He was an ass from day one. And not using Stills as a producer? Dumb move Mike.

by Anonymousreply 146December 13, 2021 7:07 PM

Mike had the personality of a producer, not a musician. His later career proves this. I agree that he should never have auditioned for the Monkees if he was so desperate to be in control.

by Anonymousreply 147December 13, 2021 7:12 PM

[quote]Rose Marie was on one episode and said, "When she finished she had lice."

She was in 2 episodes, r143, Monkees in a Ghost Town, and Monkee Mother. I can't find any evidence of the quote you attribute to her. Where did you hear it? Carl Ballantine, another old veteran, had little patience for the Monkees' antics, exclaiming "I hate these kids" in an outtake from Find The Monkees episode.

[quote]I didn’t know that about “sugar sugar.” Davy would indeed have been perfect for it, although Micky would have sounded good as well. Oh well, they had a lot of other hits. Davy did sing the treacly “cuddly toy.”

"Cuddly Toy" becomes a lot less treacly once you listen to the lyrics, r145.

[quote]You're not the only cuddly toy that was ever enjoyed by any boy You're not the only choo-choo train that was left out in the rain The day after Santa came You're not the only cherry delight that was left out in the night And gave up without a fight

[quote]You’re not the kind of girl to tell your mother The kind of company you keep I never told you not to love no other You must’ve dreamed in your sleep

It's quite dark. No surprise when you know it was written by Harry Nilsson. I mentioned Nesmith's ankylosed fingers at r109. You can see this in the video, as he plays guitar. They were a result of his breaking them as a young man and not having them set (his religion strikes again, though that time it was his mother's decision).

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by Anonymousreply 148December 13, 2021 8:03 PM

[quote]Carl Ballantine, another old veteran, had little patience for the Monkees' antics, exclaiming "I hate these kids"

That was Hans Conried.

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by Anonymousreply 149December 13, 2021 8:06 PM

Speaking of Monkee health problems, Micky's drum set-up was unusual because he preferred to play the bass drum with his left foot instead of his right foot, as his right leg was weakened by a childhood bout with polio.

I've often wondered if Davy's incredibly short stature was due to his being a post-war baby in the UK. Food supplies were still scanty for years after the war, and that entire generation of children grew up very small and slim.

by Anonymousreply 150December 13, 2021 8:29 PM

R144, Micky did record "Sugar Sugar" on one of his recent solo albums.

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by Anonymousreply 151December 13, 2021 11:23 PM

R151 Micky's voice sounds good. I didn't like the arrangement at first, but warmed to it after the first bridge.

by Anonymousreply 152December 13, 2021 11:45 PM

R151, I think Micky's version of Sugar, Sugar is interesting. He's so expressive. Very underrated.

by Anonymousreply 153December 14, 2021 12:11 AM

Micky Dolenz married a beautiful English girl named Samantha Juste. This is how they got together. He invited her to a party; she got there and the only two people at the party were herself and Micky. Smooth, Micky! But she fell for him and they married. In photos they look like the quintessential young sixties couple in love, both of them long haired, clad in their hippie togs.

by Anonymousreply 154December 14, 2021 3:19 AM

[quote] You're not the only choo-choo train that was left out in the rain.

You think that's bad, try leaving a cake out in the rain.

by Anonymousreply 155December 14, 2021 5:36 AM

I have always felt Nesmith was miscast. He had zero personality. He added nothing to the group.

by Anonymousreply 156December 14, 2021 6:10 AM

R156 He was the laconic Texan.

by Anonymousreply 157December 14, 2021 6:57 AM

Nice

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by Anonymousreply 158December 14, 2021 9:30 AM

The one and only Davy Jones, the cute Monkee.

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by Anonymousreply 159December 16, 2021 2:37 AM

Peter narrating the Monkee's songs added a whole new dimension

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by Anonymousreply 160December 16, 2021 2:45 AM

Mike Nesmith was fuckable and it looked like he had a big cock. Rest In Penis.

by Anonymousreply 161December 16, 2021 2:46 AM

R27, Davey was, past tense. Alas.

by Anonymousreply 162December 16, 2021 2:47 AM

R159, Davy has a slight David Archuleta look in that photo.

I thought The Monkees show was brilliant. It brought to television the innovative madcap nature of "A Hard Day's Night." And it was another excuse to put off doing my 12th-grade homework!

by Anonymousreply 163December 16, 2021 2:57 AM

Kind of amazing to think that Micky and Mike were together performing on tour as recently as last month, and now Mike is gone. Micky's voice still sounds pretty good. Mike's voice was weak but he still had an entertaining attitude on stage. Life is precious and we can't take people for granted.

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by Anonymousreply 164December 16, 2021 3:03 AM

Fun fact: Davy was the reason another David Jones changed his name to become David Bowie.

by Anonymousreply 165December 16, 2021 3:08 AM

Davy's first brush with musical success was as a member of this group. You can pick him out.

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by Anonymousreply 166December 16, 2021 3:13 AM

I know David Jones is a common name, but it's still kind of amazing that two future British pop stars with the same name were born close together: Jones in December 1945 and Bowie in January 1947.

by Anonymousreply 167December 16, 2021 4:09 AM
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