Ellen Barkin shades Eric Clapton

Glad to know that she said that. Clapton is trash.

I honestly never realized Clapton was always so racist; I just assumed he'd gotten old & a bit senile, but apparently he's always been hateful

The stories of his racist behavior goes back decades. Phil Collins too, allegedly.

"What is two names I never expected to see in the same sentence Alex?"

Was it a pearl necklace?

🙄

She sure is on a high horse for someone who got fired from two different TV shows for being belligerent and impossible to work with.

Nevertheless, Twitter troll seems like a fitting role for her.

A lot of these rich white men become such dicks after they hit the age of 50 or 60. They become real greedy and they're against taxes. And eric clapton really, really was the poster child for institutional white privilege. He did drugs for so long and never got arrested. Shit, this fucker never even got questioned or got so much as a traffic ticket, despite totaling many cars in single car drunk driving accidents. This bastard was able to go from country to country and bring/buy cocaine, heroin and all other drugs with him, with not a bit of trouble

He did so many drugs in the 70s and 80s that if he got caught with 1 week's supply of cocaine/heroin he could have gotten him a 20 yr jail sentence in NY

I've reported here before that I am friends with one of his semi-famous ex-girlfriends from the 1990s.

Clapton's "sobriety" is a complete lie, then to now. She's still in touch with him and they still party when he is in Los Angeles.

The longer he lives, the more that is revealed about just what a turd this guy is.

It was a black tar heroin necklace.

I hate it when a superb guitar player is an asshole.

Here we go with the whole musical genius meme^

I think everyone should have to study for a semester at a real conservatory to see what musical genius looks like. And sounds like.

Ellen Barkin is as ugly as Barbara Stanwick.

[quote] I am friends with one of his semi-famous ex-girlfriend

What other third-hand gossip will you give us?

Clapton blatantly stole from the great black blues artists and bragged about it.

[quote] Clapton blatantly stole from…

[quote] I think everyone should have to study for a semester at a real conservatory to see what musical genius looks like

R11 superb guitar player? You mean one of the most boring guitar players?

R14, a HUGE tour by a famous band that was cancelled/rescheduled two years ago happened for a completely different reason than the LIE given out by PR.

[quote] one of the most boring guitar players

Because I say so.

Lost respect for Ellen after she started going hard supporting Andrew Cuomo. And yeah, she does come off on her Twitter like she has a major attitude. How was she fired from two shows?

Clapton's racism has been well known for decades.

R18 Third-hand Gossip without names has no value.

Barkin is a bitch.

R19 "superb guitar player" Because I say so.

But why did she took it and kept it?

IMO, Ellen Barkin is attractive a la Angie Dickinson. She was a trophy wife and was famous for auctioning off all of her jewelry circa her divorce. Ron Perelman looks like a big toe here.

R25, Ron Perelman looks like a big toe with eyes and a mouth there.

Ellen Barkin has a Hare Lip.

Sometimes I think his son JUMPED out that window.

Ellen Barkin looks like a Studebaker.

I really like Her. I never heard she was fired I heard she quit Animal Kingdom?

Ellen Barkin's hare lip is bigger than Eric Roberts'.

Barbara was attractive and so is Ellen.

And it’s Stanwyck, not Stanwick.

Stanwyck was a dog

(but I shouldn't talk seeing as how I've studiously avoided every movie she was in).

Stanwyck was great looking! What are you people talking about? She just wasn't pretty-pretty feminine. Is that what irks you?

Ellen's name says it all. BARKIN

That’s right, fuckwad at r33. You should shut up. We’re not entitled to your opinion.

Crazy to know that a blues devotee would be a racist.

[quote] You should shut up. We’re not entitled to your opinion.

Ellen Barkin should shut up. We’re not entitled to the Barkin opinion.

Capra described her as having a stern beauty, r34.

[quote] stern

I bet Barbara knew how to tongue-lash Capra.

Barfin is a low class cunt! What an abrasive personality. She’s fugly too

Clapton is a longtime racist supporter of Enoch Powell and nowadays a virulent anti-vaxxer.

He has a history of cruel and belittling behavior towards his wives and girlfriends: he cheated heavily on wife Pattie after taking her away from George Harrison, and had two children out of wedlock with others during their marriage. He led Alice Ormsby-Gore into the terrible addiction that ultimately took her life, after having thrown her out of his life without a backwards glance. Not a nice person.

[quote] Not a nice person.

Who IS a nice person nowdays?

Who is on the top of your List of Nice Persons, R42?

Well, quite obviously not a rotten asshole like Clapton r43.

Ellen Barkin is a Nice Person.

So many retards here attacking Ellen instead of Clapton. Hard to believe DL has so many Clapton fanboys. Or is it just filled with mysonistic asshole that like to insult women and call them ugly, like a retard at R13

I am so glad the “God”-era of stadium rockers is dead.

R47 You like the God-era of rappers and popstars?

If anyone serves to be “cancelled”…

Yeah for Ellen for calling out that stupid horrible prick Eric Clapton. Always loved her.

Everytime I see her I think of how (supposedly) vindictive and abusive she was to Gabriel Byrne during their divorce. I certainly don't think of her wonderful acting and the many (any?) roles I've loved her in.

So basically, I don't give a fuck about this.

A pearl necklace?

[quote] The stories of his racist behavior goes back decades. Phil Collins too, allegedly.

I have never heard this about Phil Collins.

A lot of the 70s classic and prog rockers - Ferry, Bowie, Clapton - (and the punks, for that matter) fetishised fascism but Phil wasn’t one of them.

[quote] You like the God-era of rappers and popstars?

I don’t prefer the CLAPTON IS GOD ethos.

There isn’t really the worship of hip hop musicians because they became the mainstream popular music with the rise of the internet and social media and inbuilt and immediate backlash. Hop Hop and pop don’t have the I pLaY mY oWn LiVe mUsIc aNd wRiTe mY oWn sOnGs scripture - even when they do write their own music and play their own instruments and there have always been people in their own communities popping the ballon that is Kanye’s egoism or Jay-Z’s latent misogyny.

R54 I don't quite understand what you're saying there.

^ me either

Show us the necklace or STFU Ellen. I do like her acting though.

R53, fascism is not quite the same as racism but I've never heard this of Bowie. He wasn't racist sine his wife Iman was Black.

R58, Bowie's "Thin White Duke" period was him cosplaying as a semi-Nazi, long trenchcoat and dyed Aryan blond hair and being carted around in large vintage 1930s German cars. He went so far as to allegedly do a Sieg Heil when he was at a train station, a photographer saw it and only managed to get this snapshot at Bowie's arm was coming down, which makes it questionable as to whether it was a Sieg Heil or not.

Bowie was riffing on the current punk rock trend at the time which involved punkers wearing actual vintage WWII Nazi insignia and bits of uniforms. After this incident with the photographer, though, he seems to have realized he went too far and switched to a different pop culture imagery. This period of his career was somewhat ill-advised.

R59 Most of those punk rockers weren't Nazis. They just did it for the shock value.

[quote]Clapton's racism has been well known for decades.

Which makes this performance all the more inspiring. Prince took Clapton's piddly little solo, deleted it, and created something utterly transformative and unforgettable.

I never heard that Clapton advocated genocide for non-Anglo whites and nonwhites.

People really throw the term Nazi around so loosely that it's beginning to lose its meaning, which is far more dangerous than Clapton will ever be.

That he's an ignorant twat and was a great rock guitarist are inconveniently co-existing truths.

I'm not going to stop listening to Fresh Cream any more than I'm going to stop listening to The Rites of Spring. Yeah, Stravinsky was a rabid antisemite. His daughter paid him back for it by marrying a Jew. In a bitter letter to his wife, Stravinsky moaned that at least the man didn't have one of those noses.

But I'm still going to listen to The Rites of Spring.

Barkin needs to meet some real Nazis.

And as the milk of human kindness doesn't seem too plentiful in her own veins, maybe she should choose her words more carefully.

She is ugly, but she had a great body. Perelman married her for her rack, legs, and tight little bum. It sure as hell wasn't for her face.

R61 That's gotta hurt a racist white man's ego; to be made irrelevant in a few short minutes by a black man re-writing your famous solo on the spot. Like that scene in Amadeus when Mozart embarrasses Salieri.

[quote] Which makes this performance all the more inspiring. Prince took Clapton's piddly little solo, deleted it, and created something utterly transformative and unforgettable.

Clapton’s guitar solo in WMGGW is probably the weakest part of the song - his lead guitar throughout is excellent - I prefer it to Prince’s, who gave one of his most obnoxious and noisy and crass guitar performances. It actually sounds awful but Prince is so charming no one notices.

[quote] Most of those punk rockers weren't Nazis. They just did it for the shock value.

Most have grown into ultra right nationalists, so I always doubted the apolitical shock value line.

The Henry Rollinses of punk rock were few and far between.

42 - Just for what Eric Clapton himself wrote about Alice Ormsby -Gore and his relationship with her...he needs a beating. It's obvious that he something is very wrong with the man. I'm laughing at how an obviously maladapted individual such as Ginger Baker avoided being a racist and needing to appear superior in a joint enterprise relationship filled with duo heroin addiction, even though he , himself was a skag head. Those absolving Mr Clapton of his horrific character need a swift kick in the cunt;whether they have one or not. I've seen more class in fizzy knickered Johnny Depp fans, who at least do not attempt to intellectualize their worship. Who else are these cunts o here going to slag off in order to keep their image of Clapton unmolested i their head? We got Barkin, Stanwyck, Prince..anybody else? Fuck that weak chinned wanker. His father did the right thing, running off. Don't have to double down having two cunts under the same roof, related.

“ Everytime I see her I think of how (supposedly) vindictive and abusive she was to Gabriel Byrne during their divorce.”

Really? They both have talked about how good a friends they became after the divorce, in order to raise their kids. And after selling all of her Perlman jewelry she was asked about Byrne, and she replied “His jewelry I kept.”

R66 - Jesus, get a grip. No one is absolving Clapton of anything, any more than anyone is absolving Stravinsky or Ezra Pound or Wagner. The problem is that being a fine and a fine human being are sadly, and rather frequently, not mutually inclusive. In fact, rather than the contrary.

But he's also not the Gestapo. There really is a difference between Clapton the Vicious Little Turd Wipe and Josef Mengele. That's the only point.

The rock stars of the Sixties weren't generally known for their sweetness of temperament. Eric Burdon was a close friend of Hendrix, but even he pointed out that one minute Hendrix was singing about equality and the next "beating some poor chick about the head with a telephone". That's a quote from "Rock and Roll Babylon", a very entertaining book which should have a thread of its own.

I don't mind someone giving Clapton a bloody nose for his self-regarding ugly behaviour.

I do mind him being equated with people who slaughtered six million people and allowed Mengele to carry out horrifying experiments on people, especially children.

I'm not defending Clapton. I'm defending realistic language so that what the term "Nazi" really means doesn't lose its impact, as so many other words now casually flung about like rice at a wedding are doing.

^*being a fine ARTIST and being a fine human being . . .

Clapton is a racist and a RAPIST. He raped Pattie Boyd during their tumultuous marriage.

He's a real piece of shit, he's total trash.

Clapton aside, Ellen seems like such an all-around bitchy, unpleasant person.

R42, are we supposed to feel sorry for Patti? She was a whore, too.

Ellen B can be acknowledged as "difficult" and still be telling the God's truth here? No need for hyperbole, it's enough to say Clapton is a disgusting racist, bigot, and disseminator of vile right-wing, QAnon-level canards, and that this warrants calling out.

Having said that, there are plenty of gangsta rappers, star athletes, and others who are making bazillions spewing vile ignorant anti-vaxx and other canards into the atmosphere along with reprehensible bigotry--racist, misogynist, and more--and this, too, warrants calling out.

Name them, R73. Name anyone who went on the rant that Eric Clapton did on stage. That was beyond disgusting. Can you imagine being someone from one of the groups he attacked and you paid to see that fucking scumbag?

Actually, I have to listen to them on a regular basis spewing vile racial and gender epithets in a rough approximation of iambic pentameter out of open car windows at 300 decibels at many an urban intersection in my mega-city. Also in retail establishments. They are despicable. But they are rewarded with adoration, big money, and the adoration of millions.

Go on, r75. Call them the n-word. You know you want to. Eric would be proud of you.

R75 continuing: Mind, I'm not excusing Clapton. But he is an over-the-hill old fart easily called out, ridiculed, and discredited. The days when legions of fans hung on his every word are long over--he wasn't spewing this stuff back in the day, at least publicly, and you didn't hear it in his golden-era recordings. It's come out at a point when nobody cares what he says anyway, not that it shouldn't be called out--it absolutely should.

Welp, there's R76, defending racisim and misogyny as long as it's spewed by a person of color.

Yes, you are excusing Eric Clapton. You just claimed something you couldn't back up. Name a single BLACK (because that's what you mean) performer who said something similar to what Eric Clapton said on stage. That was disgusting and you're disgraceful for acting as though anyone else has said something similar and gotten away with that attitude.

R77, WTF are you talking about??? He said it PUBLICLY. Do you know anything about his history???

ON STAGE, 1976:

"Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white … The black wogs and coons and Arabs and f*cking Jamaicans don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man … This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for f*ck’s sake? … Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!”"

So is the best you can do is claiming some rap song about "ass and titties" is analogous to what Clapton said?

The current performers who are getting rich poisoning day-to-day culture in our society spewing racial and gender epithets and abuse into the airwaves and into the ears of impressionable fans on an ongoing basis in this culture, number in the dozens. Not to mention their reprehensible glorification of gun violence. I am no fan of the NRA but these figures are at least as culpable as the NRA for the gun violence pandemic in US cities. That is not to defend Clapton for a minute. However, it IS appropriate to note the dishonesty about what output by so-called popular music "artists" merits calling out.

Every fucking post of yours is a deflection, R81. And yes, it's a defense of Clapton and the right-wing, while we're at it. You can't actually quote any rapper who has said what Clapton has. The *actual* disgusting hate he spewed.

You're the same person who gets more apoplectic over a black Annie being cast than the current situation with abortion and voting rights.

Now you are outright lying, R82. I wouldn't know if there were outraged comments on DL or anywhere about the racial casting of "Annie," but if there are, they're not by me. I am one of the posters opposing those on this thread who are putting down Ellen Barkin for airing this stuff about Clapton. I'm all for it. But I am pointing out that Clapton is an old fart who is easily isolated, ridiculed, and disgraced. Most people did not know about those 1976 remarks until relatively recently, which in itself is a disgrace, but people who heard them were shocked and appalled by them. And any stuff he's done and said recently has been uniformly ridiculed and condemned, as well it should be. Calling his shit out is long overdue and that delay itself should be questioned and called out to make a record and a stand against it. But calling it out is not gonna help the culture now because nobody's listening to him now.

Unlike the grossly overpaid morons getting rich glamorizing gun violence and spewing racial epithets and misogyny into the culture on an ongoing basis.

Are we just going to cancel every boomer musician now? Jimi Hendrix nearly beat a woman to death and Bob Dylan, Bowie, and Jimmy Page liked teenage girls. Joni Mitchell and Clapton racist as fuck. They're all still better than 99.99% of musicians today.

John Lennon was a wife-beater.

And so was Eric Clapton.

R84 Neither the Bob Dylan or Bowie underage girl stories have been proven or are reliable while Page has had photo documentation of his relationships with teen girls......Joni Mitchell isn't racist because of some weird artistic stunt she did in the fucking 70s-80s! It's insulting to compare her to Clapton and especially Bowie and Dylan to Page......

R84, why exactly can't we cancel them in the sense that we no longer have to hold them in high-esteem. Richard Wagner was an antisemite. People can listen to his music, but we can't simply ignore how repugnant he was...or are you OK with certain artists as long as you're not from one of the groups who are targeted by them in a derogatory way?

R88 An artist's personal beliefs should have nothing to do with how people hold them in esteem for their ARTWORK or ENTERTAINMENT. Looking for the creator's personal politics or morality in every piece of their work is one of the most retarded facets that has become commonplace in modern criticism.

I'm a Jew and I think Wagner was a genius, I listen to Nico's music often, and I adore Patricia Highsmith novels. It's narcissistic as hell to want entertainment or art figures to personally adhere to you, your identity or beliefs.

Joni Mitchell racist? Whaaat?

This is the part I left out of his initial rant. this is what a shit Clapton was and is (you'd have to be an idiot to think in his old age he has mellowed). Imagine having paid to see his concert only to hear this:

"Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands… So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country … I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white …"

R89, do you think it's OK that Joshua M. is trying to cancel Mel Gibson?

Listen/read/watch their art, but their failings as decent humans should always be highlighted. It can't just be ignored.

R91 It shouldn't be part of the conversation unless the person is a violent murderer or rapist or another criminal of some sort. People are more than their shallow political or social beliefs - I've met plenty of people with "good politics" who are reprehensible cunts. I don't care what Mel Gibson or Eric Clapton thinks about Jews! The way that all of that shit is "highlighted" before any of the work of the person is why we as a culture can't properly create or appreciate art anymore. Everyone's morals have to be check, everyone has to be a "decent human being."

R89 EXACTLY. When 99.9% of people in history fail to live up to an ideology's standards, the ideology is the outlier, not the people. The woke are making it so that nearly everyone living before 2010 is irredeemable. They are no different than a cult.

R92, I don't expect someone to be perfect, but to act as though the person isn't repugnant is just ridiculous and I certainly don't think they should be honored. You cannot pretend the person is worthy of accolades if we know they're a garbage human.

[quote]The woke are making it so that nearly everyone living before 2010 is irredeemable. They are no different than a cult.

And here we fucking go again. The "woke." The "woke." The "woke" to just childishly and lazily swat away every debate. Clapton is clearly a pos; that you chalk it up to "woke" when we call it out, is so fucking tiresome. Give it a rest. You look stupid constantly using that overused line. And you certainly better not be one of those people who cheered when Kevin Hart lost his Oscar gig over gay JOKES or constantly whining about Joy Reid.

I'm not saying Clapton has "mellowed in his old age." I'm saying he is now an old fart that no one listens to. No one gives a shit about this guy. That doesn't make him and his views any less disgusting, of course. So yeah, it's great to call out his racism, xenophobia, wife-beating, and all the rest. Let's get it on record albeit belatedly (again-theTARDINESS in publicizing and calling it out, is worthy of more examination). But let's be honest. Popular music that spewing vile, hateful, and violent poison into the culture now is not being called out and objected to, it's being rewarded and idolized.

[quote]Neither the Bob Dylan or Bowie underage girl stories have been proven or are reliable while Page has had photo documentation of his relationships with teen girls......Joni Mitchell isn't racist because of some weird artistic stunt she did in the fucking 70s-80s! It's insulting to compare her to Clapton and especially Bowie and Dylan to Page......

Not to burst your bubble, but Lori Maddox has repeatedly stated over many years that Bowie was the one who was with her first, at age 13. Page was with her the following year, which is probably splitting hairs (it's statutory rape either way you look at it) but that's what it is.

Dylan and Clapton are in a class of their own with their treatment of women, both groupies/girlfriends and their own wives/partners and children. Lots of bad behavior and estrangements in both cases. Bowie and Page at the least have (or had) good relations with their kids, and Page has maintained excellent relations with all of his kids mothers.

R94 Public shaming doesn't work, even if you think someone is a POS. If their art holds up then they get a pass from most people. This is just how the world works. Cancelling high profile people while offering nothing of value in their place is why this woke shit will not hold. I was against Kevin Hart getting fired, not because I don't think what he said was bad, just that shaming tactics makes the vast majority of people check out of politics. More and more non-white men are voting republican. At some point when the vast majority of the voting populace is deemed "deplorable", a backlash will start to brew and all the advancements made by the gay rights movement will dissipate like a fart in a vacuum.

Racist r81 is opposed to cancel culture - unless it’s rappers - they can be canceled.

He needs to die….just for “Tears in Heaven” !

[quote] More and more non-white men are voting republican.

Actually no. Fewer non-white vote Republican than in the past. That trend has not changed. Which is why Republicans continue to pass voter suppression laws and rig elections. They have to cheat to win.

[quote] At some point when the vast majority of the voting populace is deemed "deplorable", a backlash will start to brew and all the advancements made by the gay rights movement will dissipate like a fart in a vacuum.

Trump supporters were “deemed deplorable” because they supported a vulgar conman who ran on white supremacy. They supported him because he was (and is) a reflection of their values. The vast majority of the “voting populace” is not and will never be the MAGA morons.

You’re arguing that we need to silently enable bigoted Republican bullshit in order to protect gay rights. Which is absurdly ridiculous.

R100 If you think Hart and Chapelle are enabling "Republican bullshit" then you are stupid as fuck. POC men shifting to the GOP is real.

]]]]Racist [R81] is opposed to cancel culture - unless it’s rappers - they can be canceled.[[[

Right, calling out racism, misogyny, and glorification of gun violence should only be done regarding white popular stars. Otherwise, it's RACIST!

May I be so bold as to ask a question?

Where is the sound recording of the alleged “racist rant,” which seems to exist only in transcript form?

R103, Snopes rates the story as "True," but notes under it's "What's Undetermined" header,

What's Undetermined: A recording of the rant does not appear to exist, so the exact wording of everything Clapton said is not entirely clear.

To add to my post at R103 . . . On the other hand, while the precise verbatim content remains unknown, the gist appears confirmed--Clapton himself seems to have admitted to it by offering lame apologies for it.

R104, someone who was there was interviewed by Rolling Stone and said it was true - and Clapton has never denied it.

Sorry--At R105 I was adding to my post at R104, which was responding to R103.

[quote]Where is the sound recording of the alleged “racist rant,” which seems to exist only in transcript form?

Did you expect everyone with iPhones to have proof for you? It's not alleged. He said it and has never denied it. Find someone who says he never said it. Witnesses said he said it. I doubt you'd be willing to bet your life that he didn't.

Rolling Stone interviewed a witness to it as I stated in my previous post:

Not only has he "never denied it," he's admitted it many times in many apologies. Including in an interview in London after a screening of the documentary "Eric Clapton: Life in 12 Bars." There's a Daily Beast piece quoting the London Q&A. DB quotes him as saying he felt shame and self-disgust, and as saying that in the past he was a "full-tilt racist." The article also states he has "apologized many times" since, and states he has blamed it on his drug/alcohol addiction. Which is ridiculous IMHO.

I read his ex-wife Pattie's memoir. From her description of him it sounds as if he is on the spectrum. He liked to drink, watch soccer with his mates and play music. His social skills were limited.

Relax your crack R108, I was just asking. I did do a quick search and saw only headlines about “transcripts.” Gave you something constructive to do with your huffy outrage, anyway.

Triggered Boomer thread

R67 It was on Gawker eons ago, she wouldn't let him see their kids for years and pitted friends against him, allegedly. Gawker was on Gabriel's side.

R65 No, they didn't. People like Johnny Lyndon and Siouxsie Sioux are ultra right wing nationalists. And people like Lemmy and Ron Ashton didn't even wear it for the shock value, they just liked the look of Nazi memorabilia.

[quote] [R100] If you think Hart and Chapelle are enabling "Republican bullshit" then you are stupid as fuck. POC men shifting to the GOP is real.

Your ad hominem attacks won't strengthen your ridiculous argument. GW Bush received more black and Hispanic votes than Trump. Asians used to support Republicans. In 2020 Trump picked up a little more nonwhite support but lost some of his support from whites. The media can publish articles about both. However, obviously Republicans would not be pushing 400 voter suppression/election rigging laws if they had any real chance with nonwhite voters. They would not be Gerrymandering away black and Hispanic districts. If their support was really growing among nonwhites.

Silently enabling bigotry of any sort is not how you protect gay rights.

[quote] I've never heard this of Bowie. He wasn't racist sine his wife Iman was Black.

You can be married to someone and still be racist.

r87, eric clapton loved underage girls. His fiance Alice Ormsby Gore was underage when he met her and he got her addicted to heroin, used and abused her, then he dumped her.

She died alone, in a shitty rented room. And he didn't give a single fuck about her death

This thread is full of hysteria.

I love this Prince performance as well.

But check out the 4:45 mark where Prince leans back into the audience, crouched on his knees w/guitar like Jimi Hendrix. There's a big burly guy in the "audience" propping him up and then pushing him back up on stage. Smart, actually, you don't want Prince injured.

[quote] Prince leans back

More sexy than Hendrix and Clapton

[quote]It shouldn't be part of the conversation unless the person is a violent murderer or rapist or another criminal of some sort. People are more than their shallow political or social beliefs - I've met plenty of people with "good politics" who are reprehensible cunts. I don't care what Mel Gibson or Eric Clapton thinks about Jews!

I don't either. You're your own worst enemy. I also don't give a shit what clapton did last century. I only care about what he stands for now. And he's a rabid antivaxxer. He's a scumbag who doesn't care if millions more die of Covid. He only cares about HIMSELF

I'm not scolding him for his behaviour in the last century.

I'm scolding him for his behaviour in this.

Prince on guitar at ~ 1:45, Cee Lo, Crazy. I love this song.

Video quality not great but audio is OK.

Both Prince and Eric Clapton made some of the most boring music known to man.

R118 Agree, foulmouthed hysteria. Maybe Ellen Barkin is on this thread.

[quote] foulmouthed

Twisted-mouth Barkin would be an expert at that.

By her own logic, R116 can post nonsense on a gossip board and still be a racist.

"Calling his shit out is long overdue and that delay itself should be questioned and called out to make a record and a stand against it. But calling it out is not gonna help the culture now because nobody's listening to him now."

Actually, now IS the time to call out his shit, because of his anti-vax bullshit and refusal to play at any venue that requires masks or proof of vaccination.

He's doing his damndest to make his concerts into superspreader events, so now IS the time to ruin his career.

The hysteria in this thread is growing.

"An artist's personal beliefs should have nothing to do with how people hold them in esteem for their ARTWORK or ENTERTAINMENT."

Oh bullshit. Sure, artists want their objectional beliefs and personality traits off the table, but the fact is that people are totally free to say "Screw it, I'm not paying for any more film/music/TV/art from that twat!".

It's up to the individual whether to draw a line, or where to draw it, and I myself won't watch or listen to artists who piss me off. I'm the one who decides when any public figure has crossed over my bullshit tolerance level, and Clapton has passed that line and made it all the way to my personal "write that dick off for LIFE" list.

This woman from La-La Land is complaining about someone from a different century and a different hemisphere of the planet.

Can't this Karen find someone any more relevant?

No, R131, this English geriatric has committed crimes against humanity.

They must be punished.

R131 and r132 are the same poster pretending to be different posters.

Ignore-dar proves them to be the same poster.

R132 is Inspector Javert.

He pursues relentlessly in order to punish with vengeance.

This thread is somewhat hilarious. Trying to cancel a 76 year old man for his actions 50 years ago. And btw he's had his 2 covid vaccine jabs. LMAO

[quote] This thread is somewhat hilarious

Scolders have to scold.

Some of you don't seem to know what "cancel" actually means. Why exactly can't we acknowledge what a dirtbag he is after having his ass kissed for decades? Is it because he wasn't specifically homophobic that many of you are incapable of seeing what a dirtbag he is? So applying your standards, I. Washington should now have his career back for something that over 15 fucking years ago. Maybe stop with the thread after thread about joy Reid being a homophobe, if you want to play this game. I guess it's OK to hold a grudge against those who say homophobic things years ago and "cancel" them, but it's open season on everyone else no matter when it was said.

something that happened*

[quote] I. Washington

Who?

[quote] open season on everyone else no matter when it was said.

All Irishmen spit upon and despise Oliver Cromwell for what he did in 1775 or something.

[quote] But why did she took it and kept it?

What do you mean, R24? Are you referring to an inaccessible tweet?

[quote] Fuck that weak chinned wanker.

Who are you talking about, R66?

They're talking about Clapton obviously r142, who literally has no chin at times (it blends into his neck).

I'm no fan of current-day Cancel Culture, but if anyone needs a kick in the pants for much of the past shit he's pulled, and gotten away with due to talent and popularity, it's Clapton.

[quote]This thread is somewhat hilarious. Trying to cancel a 76 year old man for his actions 50 years ago. And btw he's had his 2 covid vaccine jabs. LMAO

But he's advocating that no one get vaccinated and that vaccines are dangerous and that the scientists and politicians are lying to everyone

And if you bothered to read the thread you would know that people started slagging off Ellen and sticking up for antivax eric. when people turned around and told these idiots, "clapton did a lot of the same things you are accusing Ellen of doing, but a WHOLE LOT WORSE"

[quote] Ellen Barkin shades Eric Clapton

Has Eric Clapton shaded Ellen Barkin?

Barkin is a cunt. And why is she talking about Clapton now? Because she needs the publicity? I guess she does.

I can't imagine a more heated thread around such an insignificant headline post.

Eh EB can fuck off too. Didn't she post some dribble about "When cis white men would die already" or some shit? She has grown monumentally stupid in old age just like EC.

Clapton is a piece of shit. Barkin has also become really crusty and unpleasant as she gets older. I've always liked her as an actress but she's very off-putting on social media.

And something did go down with Animal Kingdom. She was very salty in the days after she left the show.

Ellen really lucked out with Perelman. Ka-ching!

R135 Ellen was 17 years old, 50 years ago.

R141 She still has the Nazi necklace.

[quote]Did you expect everyone with iPhones to have proof for you?

WTF? Eric Clapton made those vile racist comments in 1976, there were no iPhones in 1976.

[quote]Ellen Barkin looks like a Studebaker.

Stude looks like a lady, R29

OK, I admit it!

I JUMPED!!!

Didn’t Barkin notoriously clash with Ryan Murphy on The New Normal? I think she may have even been written off some episodes?

The New Normal was an awful show. Team Ellen.

[quote]WTF? Eric Clapton made those vile racist comments in 1976, there were no iPhones in 1976.

You may have missed my point when I said it. I was responding to the person who didn't believe Clapton had said what he said on stage because there was no video. I was being sarcastic, because he just expects there to be video proof as if everyone had a cellphone at the concert.

R158 What a child you are. I don't "expect there to be video proof," that's your simplistic leap. I was merely inquiring about the source material, as any critical-thinking adult would do, especially with something so inflammatory. The word "transcript" is liberally used with regard to Clapton's remarks, which suggests some sort of recording. Concerts were often filmed back in the day, idiot.

Sounds like people heard him say it, and he owns it (likely a drunken rant) – fair enough. But your rabid response to a reasonable question is weird, as is your apparent obsessive hatred of the old fart. What's the matter, honey, did Slowhand's roadies turn you away at the stage door back in the day? Sit down and hush now.

R159, I suggest you reread what you wrote and then consider a nice sedative. And Mel Gibson also said what he said when he was drunk, so let's hope the people defending Clapton don't attack Gibson...'cause "drunk."

R160 Don't you have some dishes or laundry to do?

R96 Maddox has changed her Bowie story every single time it's been told. I don't believe her, sorry. One time he took her virginity, the other time it was a threesome with him and his wife or with him and Iggy Pop. There's photo documentation of her relationship with Jimmy Page, but I doubt she even met Bowie at this point, much less slept with him.

Also, being a shitty boyfriend doesn't make someone guilty of sleeping with underage girls, as you refer to Dylan.

R161 Lame jokes from the lame guy

R130 Very Gen Z, "me and my hurt feelings!" mentality.

You have a very self centered view of the world and of art. I'm sorry that you're going to discount work because the people behind don't meet your moral standards.

R161, who the fuck does dishes? Get yourself a Bosch. Maid does the rest.

She didn't get it. Of course.

R116 that's nice but Bowie wasn't racist you utter bufoon

[quote] Don't you have some dishes or laundry to do?

Don't you have some more racists to defend?

R168 So you thought and thought and wracked your little brain, and finally came up with that lame (but utterly predictable) retort. Again, you're a child.

R169, I assume that response was for me (r160). I had already responded to you at R165.

R130

[quote] I myself won't watch or listen to artists who piss me off. I'm the one who decides when any public figure has crossed over my bullshit tolerance level, and Clapton has passed that line and made it all the way to my personal "write that dick off for LIFE" list.

Stating her Boundaries.

R170 No dear, that was for R168. But I'm done with all you ladies now. Scoot.

R130 = Mr Boycott.

[quote]Also, being a shitty boyfriend doesn't make someone guilty of sleeping with underage girls, as you refer to Dylan.

There's no reference in the post at r96 re Dylan bedding underage girls, There's reference to him being a shitty husband, bf, father, and all-around human being, but nothing re being a pedo.

You should, however, keep up a bit more with current news. Because Dylan is in hot water re underage girls - as young as twelve. He was sued this past summer:

[quote]Maddox has changed her Bowie story every single time it's been told. I don't believe her, sorry. One time he took her virginity, the other time it was a threesome with him and his wife or with him and Iggy Pop. There's photo documentation of her relationship with Jimmy Page, but I doubt she even met Bowie at this point, much less slept with him.

Lori Maddox sounds mentally disabled. Was that even her real name? Years ago, VH1 ran a series about groupies, Lori was one of the groupies interviewed. Lori didn't sound very articulate, she actually came across as mentally slow.

While Zep toured the US, Jimmy Page was with Lori, not sure how he avoided jail time. Not sure if she crossed state lines. Lori might have only been his LA groupie. IIRC, he was in his early 30s and she was 14-15 when they had an 'affair'. Pretty disgusting.

Lori didn't even look like a hot woman. Page sure had bizarre taste in groupies. Think he was too scared to fuck guys, so Lori was the closest thing to one. I cannot imagine a straight man finding some of those skinny skanky LA groupies attractive. They didn't look like women, sure not like Pamela DesBarres and Bebe Buell. Those underage LA groupies didn't have one curve in sight.

The LA groupies Page hung with, Lori in particular looked like androgynous skinny teen boys in glitter rock drag. Meanwhile, Page had an attractive model GF back home in England. There's no accounting for taste.

Robert Plant was also with a very young women, a groupie named Audrey Hamilton, she was very pretty, but also looked a bit androgynous. Audrey wasn't as young as the LA groupies. Style-wise, Audrey was the opposite of the clownish LA groupies, she wore T-shirts and jeans, she looked like a typical teen girl of that era. There are photos of Audrey with Plant on the plane Zep rented for a US tour. Lori wasn't in any of those photos.

What sort of parent allows their 13-14 year old child to travel with a rock band consisting of grown men? Where the hell were the parents of these underage LA groupies? Why were these girls even allowed into a bar at those ages? Those groupies hung at Rodney's English Disco, a notorious LA club where famous rockers hung out while in town. Most of those rockstars specifically went there to pick up underage groupies.

Sable Starr, one of Lori's cohorts in LA groupiedom, came from a wealthy family, they basically threw money at her. They gave her money to travel and support her lifestyle. Sable went from hanging with the likes of Led Zeppelin, other British rockers and Iggy Pop, to the NYC punk scene, where she was involved with The Dead Boys and other not-very-famous bands.

Sable died from brain cancer in 2009.

Here's Lori, this is not a sexy woman. Even as gay man I know that much.

Ellen Barkin exudes relentless cuntiness. Impossible to work with or be married to.

"Page sure had bizarre taste in groupies. Think he was too scared to fuck guys, so Lori was the closest thing to one."

Or maybe Page was too scared to fuck actual children, and Lori was the closest thing to one.

Honestly, she looks like an 11-year-old in a misguided halloween costume in that pic.

The rockers didn’t care what they looked like, these girls. They were AVAILABLE. The beautiful women that they’re seen in public with? It may them look good. Especially the old school rockers. Someone that hot doesn’t have to degrade themselves for a musician. They can move on to someone else, like Stephanie Seymour did after dating Axl Rose. She hooked up with that Brant fella. If they are on the road and want ready sex, they are going to get a skinny skank with no self esteem. Someone who they can exploit and pass around. And if she’s younger, that’s even better…she can be groomed. YMMV.

[quote]Lori Maddox sounds mentally disabled. Was that even her real name? Years ago, VH1 ran a series about groupies, Lori was one of the groupies interviewed. Lori didn't sound very articulate, she actually came across as mentally slow.

I don't know what Maddox's actual IQ is, and I doubt she is much beyond-HS-educated. But she has never come across as 'slow' as put here, in any of her interviews printed or videoed. Your misogyny is showing.

Lori's mother was well-known in Hollywood circles long before Lori was a groupie from her days as longtime hostess at the celebrity club Ciro's. Her younger half-sister runs a well known Italian restaurant in Marina del Rey, and is engaged in community events and issues in that area. Lori herself married an LA-based architect several years ago, her stepchildren are very well-educated with one attending MIT and running for local office in the Chicago area. She didn't end up in a bad way at all, long after her rock band days (which she has admitted were not healthy for her).

She also wasn't terrible looking per the unflattering pic posted at r175. See link here for a clearer view:

Did she even get a high school education, R179, if she spent her teen years touring with Led Zepelin?

:Lori Maddox is indeed not very bright. She looks back on her time with Jimmy Page with fondness, although she was 14 when he started boinking her. She claims that he literally kidnapped her, had his goons throw her in a limo and brought to his hotel room. But she still thinks being with him was magical and romantic.

Maddox and another uber groupie Pamela Des Barres were reminiscing about their glory days as groupies. Miss Pamela, as she was known, had been involved with Page for while. She even thought he was considering marrying her! What a pathetic groupie dream. Anyway, she was with him at some club and he left her flat, went off in a limo with Maddox (Des Barres said he "sleazed off" with her). They were talking about that; although Des Barres said she was left standing with "egg on my face" when Page went off with Maddox. Apparently there was no hard feelings between them. But they both came across at being dumb as bricks. Both seemed to remember their time as a sperm receptacle for rocks stars with wistful longing.

[quote] Jimi Hendrix nearly beat a woman to death

“The most shocking thing is Jimi is shown [in a documentary] beating a woman twice. That woman is named Kathy Etchingham, who was Jimi’s longtime girlfriend from London. He was with her for three years. She says that no domestic violence like that ever happened,” says Cross. “In interviewing over 300 people for my book, I never heard a story that is even close to that.”

[quote] What sort of parent allows their 13-14 year old child to travel with a rock band consisting of grown men? Where the hell were the parents of these underage LA groupies?

I guess it could be called "permissive parenting." It was the 70s, I guess their parents thought hey, teenagers will be teenagers, let them have their fun. Maybe some of the parents even thought that it might be possible that a marriage could result from it, that their baby girl might be the wife of a rich rock singer. Who knows what the scummy parents were thinking.

Greg Allman, who was nearly forty, spotted an attractive 16 year old girl named Shannon Wilsey in a restaurant with her mother. Wilsey dropped out of school and went on tour with Allman She had an absent father and ineffectual mother. Wilsey later became the porn star Savannah. After becoming a famous porn star she went to one of his shows and seated herself where she though he would notice her. He ignored her. She fucked other rock stars like Billy Idol and Slash. She sucked Slash's cock in a crowded bar. She hoped he would marry her. He didn't. Addicted to drugs, her porn career fading due to her difficult behavior, deeply in debt, she smashed up her car and damaged her face. She killed herself by shooting herself in the head. She was 23. “She was not happy with her life as a whole, everything in her life,” said a Los Angeles Police Detective who investigated the case. “I think her whole life caused her suicide.” I wonder if she would have ended up the way she did if she hadn't gotten involved with a much older rock star while she was still a kid? I think that was the beginning of the end for her.

[quote]Lori herself married an LA-based architect several years ago, her stepchildren are very well-educated with one attending MIT and running for local office in the Chicago area.

R179 seems to imply because this infamous former 'baby groupie' married well, she's now suddenly some sort of Rhodes Scholar. What do the education levels of her stepchildren have to do with her mental capacity? What about the child she had on her own? No one knows what happened to them.

Lori Maddox was little more than child when she met Page, she actually thought he was in love with her, he wasn't. All the members of Zeppelin had their 'road women'. Plant, Jones and Bonham were married with children, Page was living with a French model Charlotte Martin, his eldest daughter Scarlet is Charlotte's daughter.

None of these rockers were interested in getting romantically involved with these dizzy young girls. They were nothing more than sperm receptacles. I agree with R181, these young women were "dumb as bricks." Pamela des Barres did manage to marry a rocker, singer Michael des Barres, who was, coincidentally, signed to Zep's Swan Song record label. IIRC, Pamela had a son with Michael des Barres.

At her social media accounts, Lori is always posing with members of a Zep cover band. Seems she cannot let go.

Here's a very detailed list of Lori Maddox' stories, basically her lies and exaggerations. Lori claimed, years down the line, Page still kept in touch with her, that he even invited her to a California book signing for his photo biography. Never happened.

More bullshit from Lori: "You need to understand that I didn't think of myself as underage. I was a model. I was in love. That time of my life was so much fun," she claimed.

"Look at the Kylie and Kendall Jenners, the Gigi Hadids. They are the modern-day versions of teenage groupies. The only difference is that the Internet blows them up in a way that allows them to make a fortune," she said.

WTF is this nut job talking about? The public doesn't read about the Hadid sisters and Kendal Jenner constantly fucking many different musicians or actors. There is no comparison. I'm sure not a fan of the KarTrashians/Jenners or the Hadid sisters, but, let's be real, there's zero comparison. Besides, the Jenner sisters and Hadid sisters actually work for a living, what did those teenage groupies do besides fuck rockstars?

:After Page, Mattix started focusing on her modelling work and continued seeing rock stars like Mick Jagger – who was with Bianca Jagger at the time. She was still just a teenager, but claims she never viewed her sexual encounters with famous men much older than her as problematic." (This is yet another lie, Jagger never even met Lori)

Modeling?! Why did Lori call herself a model? She never walked a designer runway, was never in fashion magazine editorials and certainly never modeled for any beauty product ad campaigns. Lori appeared in music magazine spreads as herself, an underage teen groupie. That was the actual extent of her being a model.

Her delusion runs very deep

Lori was just a child playing dress-up, she was in way over her head.

The rockstar was much prettier than the groupie. 😂 🤣

Breaking news! Rock star fucks underage groupie!! Omg!!!

[quote]What about the child she had on her own? No one knows what happened to them.

He's is a small-business owner in LA, Venice Beach area from last info. Lori, and her family, live lives better than 95% of the rest of local LA. Her overall life has hardly been negative or a waste, teenage adventures aside.

The misogyny of r184 etc is off the charts. Obviously they've had a personally negative interaction with Maddox, to be so personal. As if the rock stars of the time (or their "partners" or girlfriends) were clean living and didn't do raunchy behavior. Jimmy Page's "official" partner for years, Charlotte Martin, was the biggest groupie in history: Page, Harrison, Clapton, Hendrix, Wood just some of her sexual/party partners. But no ire reserved for her correct?

Who the HELL mentioned the K-clan or Hadids?

[quote] The public doesn't read about the Hadid sisters and Kendal Jenner constantly fucking many different musicians or actors. There is no comparison.

FFS. The Kardashians have dated and mated HALF the NBA at this point, nevermind Kanye, Pete Davidson, and a host of other celebs. A majority of the Hadids profile comes from their time with boy banders and musicians (Zayn, Weeknd, Dua Lipa, etc). They are famous for this.

This thread has become tired.

And it's rambling.

Clapton has a weird faceless man thing going on. He looks like a completely different person in photos from the 60's 70's and 80's. I can never recognize the early Clapton. Robin Wright also has this weird facelessness quality. For years I had no idea she played Jenny in Forst Gump. She looks like a totally different person.

[quote] Clapton has a weird faceless man thing going on.

He's a chameleon.

He was good looking last century.

Shapeshifters are shady...

Jimmy Page dumped Lori Maddox for Bebe Buell. He and Buell were holed up in a hotel room when a drunken, disheveled Maddox came beating on their door screaming "Jimmy! Jimmy, please!" Buell thought he should go out and talk to little Lori but he declined to do so. He was amused by the whole situation. And she says "That time of my life was so much fun?" That girl has rocks for brains.

[quote]The misogyny of [R184] etc is off the charts. Obviously they've had a personally negative interaction with Maddox, to be so personal. As if the rock stars of the time (or their "partners" or girlfriends) were clean living and didn't do raunchy behavior. Jimmy Page's "official" partner for years, Charlotte Martin, was the biggest groupie in history: Page, Harrison, Clapton, Hendrix, Wood just some of her sexual/party partners. But no ire reserved for her correct? Who the HELL mentioned the K-clan or Hadids?

Honestly, kindly STFU. You seem like a rabid Lori M fan who just so happened to stumble on DL. Go back to Groupie Central or some other forum where you can lavish praise on this delusional woman.

Charlotte Martin, huh? You obviously know little about the rock scene in the 1960s, especially among UK rockers. Sure, they shared the same GFs, but all of those women were adults and they were all working models. Charlotte was in many print ads for Yardley and other top brands, she didn't claim to be a fashion model, she WAS a working fashion model. Lori was NOT any kind of fashion model. Do not compare the underage LA groupies with the women these rockers dated.

I'm a misogynist because I think the idea of very young teens fucking 30+ year old grown men is vile and wrong? As well as illegal. I don't have a problem with teens of the same age range fucking each other, but these empty-headed girls were fucking grown men who were old enough to be their fathers.

These underage LA groupies were too wrapped up in the fact that famous rockers "wanted them", they didn't comprehend they were being used. These men certainly knew it was wrong, yet kept on doing it. Page & any other rocker who was fucking 14-15 year olds were certainly pedophiles, it doesn't matter how much Lori tried to convince herself she was "in love." Page should have known better. His arrogance was and still is off the charts!

In fact, Page is still with much younger women, his current live-in GF is in her early 30s, Page is now 77. So, honestly give it a rest. The TRUTH is out there! 👽👽

Page might be a brilliant musician, but he is a creep. Could be his bizarre background helped form his low opinion of women. His father had a secret second family. You think because of that he'd have more respect for women, not less, especially seeing what his dad did to his mom, Page seemed to go in the opposite direction, treating most women like trash.

I was surprised to hear Page did support Charlotte and his daughter Scarlet for many years, he even bought them a house. Page has six grown children (one is adopted), he still supports most of them. Is it guilt about his past? Who knows.

To call me a misogynist is absurd, you know NOTHING about me. I respect women. My mom, sisters, female relatives and female friends. Then again, while in their teens, none of them would have fucked grown men. None were impressed by famous people. They all made their own way in life.

I DO NOT know Lori or have ever interacted with her, my opinion is based on people who have met her and the years of lies this loony woman has perpetuated in interviews.

Over the years, I've worked for several major record companies, in the publicity and advertising departments. Don't assume anything about me from a handful of posts.

Lori's lies and exaggerations are legendary, she cannot re-write history to fit her agenda.

[quote] girls were fucking grown men

No. 'Fucking" is a transitive verb.

Subject verb object. The penis goes into the vagina.

[quote]Who the HELL mentioned the K-clan or Hadids?

WHO mentioned the the Hadids? Actually Lori did in an interview. I'm adding that interview below. Think YOU need to acquire better reading comprehension skills. I added Lori's comment re the Hadids and KarTrashians in an above post.

I don't care how well Lori has done in her adult life. Her teenage years were disgusting, she was a mess. Skipping school and her education to fuck grown men in hotel rooms is not ideal. An understatement. Wonder if Page paid her.

Lori's mother sure doesn't deserve any props either. Who cares if her mother ran som celebrity hangout, her mom probably did the same things Lori did. No wonder Lori ended up a "baby groupie."

I will say, this dizzy woman is extremely lucky she didn't end up like the porn star Savannah, with a drug addiction and a bullet to her head. Savannah was the the young women who hooked up with Greg Allman when she was teen. Another poster above mentioned Savannah in detail, what a truly sad case. Of course, sleaze bag druggie, Greg Allman took zero responsibility for ruining her life and neither did her family, who also contributed to her downfall, by allowing a teen girl to run off with a much older rockstar.

Pamela des Barres and Bebe Buell are also extremely lucky they are still alive and didn't fall into a rabbit hole of drugs. When she started hanging with rockers, Bebe was actually a working model, she appeared in Cosmo and other magazines.

While they were living in NYC, a relative who worked in the music biz, knew both Bebe and Todd Rundgren. Bebe was always dizzy, always extremely impressed by fame and rockstars. One of the conversations Bebe had with my relative was about how much she enjoyed rubbing coke on her vagina.

Not to say neither Pamela or Bebe weren't delusional, they were and still are.

Enjoy the Lori interview, it's a laugh riot. The time frame Lori claimed to have hung with Bowie and Jimmy Page is filled with so many inaccuracies.

[quote]This thread has become tired. And it's rambling.

Not your cup of tea? Do you have a loaded gun to your head? You must realize you have the option to simply leave. There are many other threads here. Don't be such a whiny asshole.

Your comments are tiresome and typical.

Is it a full moon?🌕🌌

No, R198, not a full moon, but this is.

Lori, the former groupie. is quite the bullshit artist.

Her interview was pathetic. Reflected fame is always ridiculous.

Always thought it was odd that someone with such an obvious debt to the blues would harbor such deep racial resentment. I mean, that '76 rant was from the heart. You can't blame that on alcohol or anything else. It's on a different level than Bowie or punks messing around with fascist imagery.

It's also odd that such a legend has so few classic albums. The last great one was over 50 years ago (Layla). Mostly he's pumped out MOR dreck like "Change the World."

And “Change the World” was produced by Babyface.

A lot of white musicians from the UK shamelessly co-opt and appropriate black music while harboring racist attitudes. Robert Palmer had a mainstream hit with “I Didn’t Mean to Turn You On”. In a Rolling Stone interview he dismissed it as an “obscure little teenybopper song” while taking credit for making it an international hit. He sounded so smug about it.