Crime at record levels after George Floyd murder as Portland police quit

Let it burn, baby, let it burn. The wacko Far Left in Portland (and environs) wanted it -- they're welcome to it.

Title should read "Almost a third" not "More than a third." Typing while outraged, apologies.

People are still buying 4 Bed/1 bath houses for over a million dollars, so it doesn't matter at all.

Portland has a lovely airport though. It's my favorite. (never been out of it though so that is probably good.)

The Portland Airport is nice r4.

I liked Portland fine in my visit, though it was more spread out than I expected which is annoying as a tourist.

Some day we'll all be looking up from the same gutter.

Good Riddance to any police officer who quits over being held accountable for murdering unarmed Black People, or being asked to take a safe, effective, and free vaccine to help protect themselves, their coworkers, and the public they serve during a pandemic.

Seriously, fuck them.

Fun Historical Fact: Oregon was settled by White Supremacists.

It has a "leftie" reputation, but it's the "Bernie-Bro Racist Idiot" kind of "leftie", not LIBERAL left.

I bet if you look up the people doing this murdering, you'll find a great many of them are conservative, not liberal.

Wow, R8. Did you get nauseated spinning that fast? I know I felt nauseated reading your post.

What spin?

IF the truth nauseates you, you should see a doctor. And by that I mean a shrink.

Oregon WAS setlled by white supremacists, that's a fact. I think they even made it illegal black people to live there.

R10) 👍

Correct, R11. Not many people know that. They think it's a liberal oasis, but it's really a WHITE oasis. There's a ton of racist white conservatives in the rural areas and in Eastern Oregon.

R13, there was some political study done a few years ago that Oregon is the politically extreme state--it has the most liberal liberals and the most reactionary right wingers. I'm not too surprised.

Yeah. There are many reasons that I've never actually visited that state.

Washington is similar but not as extreme.

R11, R13 This actually explains why Portland Antifa are so shockingly racist. Genuinely illuminating historical context, thanks for sharing.

I'm a Portlander, and the city has just gone to shit since the riots started (even before COVID). I don't blame the mayor nearly so much as i do the system which has a weak mayoralty and a strong city council, and the city council is packed with woke idiots. To show you how idiotic they are: a former jail was converted into desperately needed housing for the homeless, but the City council refused to use it because they said the homeless were already stignatized enough that they did not need to live in a building that had once been a jail. They would rather have had people freezing on the streets than in that building. (Fortunately a wealthy member of one of the city's richest families bought the building out from under them and opened it for the homeless to reside in.)

Minneapolis had a similar system with a weak mayoralty and a strong city council, but after their equally idiotic city council made so many stupid decisions in the last few years (especially regarding the "Defund the Police" movement, which they heartily endorsed) the voters finally had a referendum which changed the system so Minneapolis has a strong mayoralty and the city council is finally weakened. (The league of Women Voters, bless 'em, which has always been strong in the Twin Cities, were the ones who pushed through this change.) My hope is that Portland does something similar so we can get strong smart mayors who can actually get something done and get rid of these idiots in the city council like Jo Ann Hardesty.

Seattle is in a similar situation to R17

Greater diversity = higher crime

R17 That's the most egregious example I've ever heard of of the far left intentionally exacerbating a social problem.

[quote] Greater diversity = higher crime

Not true. NYC and LA are far more diverse than Detroit, St. Louis, Buffalo, etc. yet they have far less crime than the latter cities.

R17 there was a ballot measure to change the form of city government (2005ish I think) that failed. I’m curious how it would fare today.

A lot of the blame for the state of the city should be laid at the feet of the DA. He continues to refuse to charge people for crimes. A recent homeless camp drug bust (that netted huge quantities of meth and fentanyl) had the perpetrators back on the street within hours thanks to $0 bail.

It’s sad/embarrassing what the city has become. The road conditions are an absolute abomination.

[quote] There are many reasons that I've never actually visited that state.

And yet you keep making claims about it as if you are some sort of expert on Oregon.

And your claims are pretty dubious, too: although the state has had a bad history of white supremacy (like the 1844 Black Exclusion Law), it was not "settled" originally by white supremacists," as you inaccurately claim. It was settled first by indigenous peoples, and then by European fur trappers and clergymen, going back decades and even centuries before 1844.

R8, R10, R11, and R12 are all having a conversation with himself. Oops, I mean themselves...

[QUOTE] IF the truth nauseates you, you should see a doctor. And by that I mean a shrink.

Oh honey, no. It's dangerous to confuse your "truth" with the truth. You live in your own little precious world.

And this was the spin that I was referring to: I bet if you look up the people doing this murdering, you'll find a great many of them are conservative, not liberal.

That's just utter biased opinion as best, and shit-stirring disinformation at worst

Look over there! A school shooting.

Would never live in a state that the facist antifas are in large numbers. They ARE THE FACISTS

[quote] Greater diversity = higher crime

Actually not true. Cities with higher Latino populations have less violent crime. Cities where the primary demographics are black and white have high crime. Go figure.

^This reminds me during the BLM riots, terrorist attacks were being coordinated on social media. Black activists were warned not to target communities with high minority populations. This is in LA by the way.

Oh, double dear, r27. Fascist. Fascits.

Oh, dear myself in r30. Fascists

Faschits seems appropriate.

The cities with the highest murder rates in 2020 were Baltimore, DetroitNew Orleans and St. Louis. These are all cities with large black populations. Portland is chump change next to them.

[quote] Cities with higher Latino populations have less violent crime

Yup, El Paso has a homicide rate of only 6 which is pretty low compared to other American cities.

Give the people what they want. Defund the Police means more crime and murder. Good times.

Are none of you losers gonna even consider the correlation between poverty and crime rates? Or is race the only category that appeals to you to draw conclusions?

The only thing that will solve the problem of crime is a more equal and fair economy and society. You keep one segment of the population in poverty and act surprised when there’s crime? And of course none of you would be interested in taking any steps towards addressing that imbalance because it would make your own lives slightly less easy lol. It’s so dumb.

[quote]Yup, El Paso has a homicide rate of only 6 which is pretty low compared to other American cities.

But just across the border, Cuidad Juarez has one of the highest murder rates in the world. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

R37 Not really a mystery. Different contributing factors south of the border.

Exactly R37. All the Mexicans living in ELP are fleeing violence. It's not surprising they aren't interested in perpetuating it. OTOH, ELP is a total dump of a town.

[quote] You keep one segment of the population in poverty and act surprised when there’s crime? And of course none of you would be interested in taking any steps towards addressing that imbalance because it would make your own lives slightly less easy lol. It’s so dumb.

Most people aren't doing as well as they were a few years ago. It's not like rich white people care about poor whites. The top earners are smaller relative to the population.

[quote] And of course none of you would be interested in taking any steps towards addressing that imbalance because it would make your own lives slightly less easy

And what exactly is it that you're doing, O righteous one?

R41 I donate to BLM and I’d be fine with reparations or a total overhaul of taxation to benefit lower income people. But I’m not a politician so there’s not much I can do to overhaul an entire system. But if there was taxation proposed to benefit lower income financially and I had to pay more in tax i wouldn’t complain.

R42 BLM is a Democratic Party slush fund, stop giving them money. You do seem sincerely nice.

You didn't ask, but:

The best thing you can do for poor people is become more cynical. I'd recommend expanding your reading to include bad thoughts from bad people, you know- anything you'd be bitched at for linking on DL.

Remember, too, that you're part of the equation. Anything that works for you in your life, choices you've made for instance, will also be beneficial for poor people. They've already worked for you, after all.

R24) If you’re suggesting that my “👍” and the post that I was giving the “👍” to are one and same author, your Nancy Drew detective skills need a tune-up

R36) What are the people in poverty doing to make their lives better. There are all kinds social programs that us looser funds through our taxes. What actually you doing? Funding BLM? Does Patrice need another house? I do my part in helping elderly people, you know the ones that are continually pushed aside. For instance, this Christmas I’m adopting an elderly person. So, get off your high horse about us losers.

R43 I’ll keep what you said in mind, and thanks! And not that it means anything, but I’m not rich, what I meant was that I’m not living in poverty.

I can never get over the lack of empathy on here for people living in lifelong poverty. It’s sad.

This is due to the composition of the law enforcement infrastructure. Mandating restraint and creating accountability will fundamentally change the culture of law enforcement. An institution that has traditionally attracted and rewarded under-achieving, politically regressive sociopaths. Any meaningful police reform will make the job less appealing to the traditional demographic. Once they get any message suggesting that they can't harass, maim and kill without consequence -- and cannot abide colleagues who do -- they will look for another low threshold union job and/or join the local chapter of the Klan.

[quote] And of course none of you would be interested in taking any steps towards addressing that imbalance because it would make your own lives slightly less easy lol.

I also want to hear exactly what you personally are doing to address this imbalance.

p.s.--Bitching and snarking on the Internet just won't cut it for an answer.

R48 first of all I already answered that question and secondly I’m not the one complaining about crime so it’s not on me to provide answers for a problem that I’m not whinging about online lol.

R47 Is the dumbest take I've read so far. I have no words.

There's no proof that the crime wave is the result of the officers quitting. The crime rate is going up nationwide, even in places that haven't lost police officers. Correlation does not equal causation. Right-wing outrage thread.

Wait, cops were self righteously enraged by rumors they’d be defunded… but now they’re quitting?

Weird.

R51 that’s a relief 😒

A lot of bullshit being spouted above. By everything I have read, the vast majority of the crime and violence occurring in Portland right now are in downtown, which was always a little sketchy, but more so now. There are nightly clashes there between right wing "Patriot" groups, and antifa types. That part of Portland is sandwiched between the wealthy suburbs to the west by a very steep set of hills (the West Hills), and the Willamette River, thus spillover is unlikely. The clashes are not between black people and white people - there aren't really enough black people in Portland to have a daily clash. By most accounts, the "Patriot" groups are wound-up gun-toting types that originate in right wing enclaves in western Oregon and western Washington and arrange to drive into Portland to try to cause problems. My impression is that the antifa (who are more likely Portland-origin folks) like to taunt them and dare them. The sad thing is that the downtown area is getting trashed - a lot of boarded up buildings and so forth. I'm sure the homeless are also being displaced by the violence, or else participating in it. I'm not quite sure what the end game is going to be. A strictly enforced curfew would probably put an end to it, but I'm sure that the restaurants and clubs of downtown Portland would resist that.

This crime wave is happening everywhere, it's not specific to Portland.

It is happening all over, but not as bad as Porltand. It's all out anarchy there

Although they will not succeed in defunding, they have largely succeeded in demoralizing law enforcement thanks to psychos like r47.

[quote]It is happening all over, but not as bad as Porltand. It's all out anarchy there

How do you know this?

R18, Seattle is shifting back to the right. With the exception of the one incumbent city councilmember, we rejected the far left candidates who wanted to Define the Police! We even elected a REPUBLICAN for the City Attorney position. Seattle is ready to get tough on crime again.

R51 We all know there was months or unchecked rioting a little over a year ago. Violence begets violence. Maybe this is a bail reform problem, hmm?

R58 They're actually correct, there was a Nationwide spike in the murder rate in the summer and fall of 2020 that has continued in a lot of major cities into 2021.

r59, I think that will happen in Portland too. We will have an item on the ballot to change the structure of our city government. Until we do that we won't see real change.

Placing voters in apprehension of 'urban' crime is an age-old Republican tactic. (Not) Funny how no Republican propaganda is citing the January 6th insurrection as an act of terror, hooliganism and vandalism even though it caused deaths. Doesn't fit their narrative of what constitutes a "patriot" and who represents the "enemy."

Actually January 6 fits perfectly the new Republican "revolutionary" identity. Things are only going to get worse, I'm afraid.

I don’t see how 1/6 can be connected to this. Connected to right wing militias and fascism but crime in urban areas? No.

The police are laying back from either low moral or confusion. Put yourself in their shoes. Everything has been politicized and they're on the front lines. All our problems come down to race issues. You're either in the middle of this, or you have the money to shield yourself - for now - and your "politics" align with your respective position. Economic parity or the lack of it has to do with solidification of position. Most people want law and order. What brand of that we have is to be determined.

morale*

The 'summer of love' is followed by the fall.

Speaking of bullshit R54, your eyes must be brown you are so full of it. There are no nightly clashes between "antifa" and "patriot" groups. I live downtown and I can assure you this is not happening. What is happening daily is gun violence across the entire city. What is happening daily is car theft across the entire city. What is happening daily is catalytic converter theft across the entire city. What is happening daily is a homeless camping crisis across the entire city. Yes downtown is ugly in many areas thanks to still boarded up windows and closed businesses that are a combo of the nightly protests/clashes that occurred in the year after George Floyd's death (but are now random and sparsely attended) and businesses closing for various reasons during the last year and a half of covid.

Yesterday there were 4 people shot, one die. The death occurred in North Portland in a neighborhood along the river and the three injuries occurred in a close in SE neighborhood. Neither of these events occurred in downtown.

Stop regurgitating old Fox news talking points.

the 'summer of love's' victims in the occupied zone were mostly POC! How ironic!

R68 Some people have such blind party loyalty they'll never admit that a Democratic policy failed, or that Democrats have flaws at all.

Nothing will change till the loop of cultural-violence, violent-crime, violent-policing, violent-protests, violent-counter-protests is broken. It's easy to see why some Americans are flirting with violent leadership. Our god money can't buy us out of this predicament.

[quote] How do you know this?

You are asking me how I know that crime is up all over? Gee, I don't know. Maybe it's when I turn on the tv and I see back to back reporters saying, crime is up all over, and here's the latest killings, stealing and chaos that happened last night and today"

Or maybe it's when I turn on the radio and they say, 'crime is up all over, and here's the latest killings, stealing and chaos that happened.'

Or maybe when I read the newspaper and I see "crime is up all over, and here's the latest killings, stealing and chaos that happened

I live near Atlanta. It's a fucking shit hole. There are multiple shootings every single day. There are murders every few days. They keep finding people in their cars and dead, on the side of our highways. The last time I heard, it was over 15 people. One of our malls is so dangerous that everyone on Twitter knows that when Lenox Mall is trending it means someone got shot or killed. Theft has increased DRAMATICALLY in all the suburbs. People are stealing left and right.

Anyone who donates to BLM is an idiot. The money goes to their leaders, who buy 3 or 4 homes in wealthy neighborhoods. Well, at least you helped a black person buy several luxurious homes.

Everything is Perfect in Portlandia donchya know..Perfect. Look over here at all these other places with crime, Detroit, Berlin, New Delhi, Madrid. Look at NYC under Giuliani, no wait how about NYC underJimmy Walker, Fiorello La Guardia, more crime. Yup, there you go.. Portland is Perfect. Might run these up & sell them as bumper stickers..

[quote]Placing voters in apprehension of 'urban' crime is an age-old Republican tactic.

Dismissing people's legitimate fears of urban crime is an age-old Democrat tactic.

^ as someone who lived in NYC during the late 80s and into the early 2000s I never remember companies advising workers to dress down and avoid the subway as they are now. New York relies on commuters and tourists for most of its revenue unlike the places you mentioned. It was never like this and during Giuliani's 2 terms he improved the city and made it safer which led to the Bloomberg era of increased tourism and increased building and real estate prices with Times Square becoming a veritable Disneyland.

R70 not sure if you’re referring to me (68) or not but I certainly have no allegiance to the leadership here. Portland is a shithole these days.

As I’ve said above, one of the biggest culprits is the DA (a democrat) who refuses to charge people for the crimes they commit. It started during the protests/riots and hasn’t changed . That is why a lot of police have quit. They do their job by catching criminals and the DA has them back out on the streets within hours.

R74 and the Bubonic plaque was worse than COVID. Makes me feel better R76

[quote]Greater diversity = higher crime

Portland is almost 80% white, you fucking idiot.

I live in a very diverse neighborhood in Brooklyn. It is incredibly rare to hear about a murder around here. You must be such a garbage person to think if you simply live in a diverse area, that makes it crime-ridden, especially when this thread is about a city that is overwhelmingly WHITE.

If Portland is mostly white I’m going to guess that most of the crime is still being committed by minorities or street people.

Minorties or "street people" - as if their race isn't a factor to you because if they're white and committing crimes, they must be "mentally ill" and therefore, you make an excuse for them being both white and criminals.

What a fucking cunt you are, R80. Such a garbage person.

Minorities*

LA had 2600 murders in 1992. Probably more the following year. Crime goes up. Crime goes down. Only the focus on it changes. I’m sure there are people who legitimately believe crime is worse than it’s ever been. They’re very wrong.

Look at the nonsense at r76. NYC murders peaked at over 2000 in 1990. In 2020, there were 462 murders, fewer than any year during Guliani’s terms, and lower than all but two random years in Bloomberg’s. “Awful” Deblasio’s numbers are better still.

People are idiots who can’t see they’re on a media-driven ride.

[quote][R68] Some people have such blind party loyalty they'll never admit that a Democratic policy failed, or that Democrats have flaws at all.

Hey, asshole, we're not the ones so invested in a political party that we're willing to storm the Capitol and kill over it. We're not the ones trying to keep people from voting. You know what you idiots never ta;k about when you shit on Democrats? Republican states have no fucking money that didn't come from Democrats. I'd like to see KY function without the money they get from DEMOCRATS.

And as you obsess over local crimes, you completely ignore the actual rankings of the overall states. And no surprise this thread is overrun with racist, garbage gays from the south and flyover,. No fucking surprise. It's why we can't stand you people.

The sad truth is the cops, lazy pigs that they are, are engaging in an illegal strike. It's go-slow. Because we're all mean to them by telling them they can't shoot and/or choke out unarmed people anymore. R65 and R77 are part of the problem. They want violent abusive police because it makes them fell "safe". This country is fucked when half its population is open about wanting a police state.

R84 This thread is about the murder rate in Portland and what may be causing it. Please see yourself out if you can't contribute.

What a shitshow

R86 I have a very vivid memory of the Portland Police posting videos of themselves at protests in 2020 scrolling through long lists of 911 calls they weren't able to answer because they were babysitting violent political partisans.

[quote] By everything I have read, the vast majority of the crime and violence occurring in Portland right now are in downtown, which was always a little sketchy, but more so now.

There is a traditionally bad area called "old Town" across Burnside from the downtown office buildings, but not much of the rioting or the vandalism is occurring there--it is occurring instead over by the Justice Center in what used to be a very placid and pretty part of downtown until the riots and violence started.

SE Portland person here. Whenever I’ve called 911 on the couple who live in the church parking lot next door to me, because he’s screaming his head off that he’s going to kill her, then kill himself, I get put on hold, for a long time.

Gives me a bad bad feeling about this town.

If you don’t want to acknowledge the epidemic of back on black crime in this country, you’re living in denial. If you want to call people racists for living in reality please stop. You’re not helping minority people in these communities who suffer from it. When crime hits middle class white people, the media starts to care.

All you naysayers..about Portland the Perfect. Giuliani had more crime in NYC., so did Nero in Rome, so there. Crime goes up & down. Mean Nothing, absolutely nothing. Portland is Perfect. You can pick up my Bumper stickers at any 7-11 shop that hasn't been burnt down.

..black..

R83 it's gotten worse over the last few years and as I don't live in the past, I'm not concerned with how bad it was, I'm concerned with how bad it is. Again, the fact that the Bubonic Plague killed more people than COVID doesn't make COVID any less of a concern.

[quote]LA had 2600 murders in 1992. Probably more the following year. Crime goes up. Crime goes down. Only the focus on it changes. I’m sure there are people who legitimately believe crime is worse than it’s ever been. They’re very wrong. Look at the nonsense at [R76]. NYC murders peaked at over 2000 in 1990. In 2020, there were 462 murders, fewer than any year during Guliani’s terms, and lower than all but two random years in Bloomberg’s. “Awful” Deblasio’s numbers are better still. People are idiots who can’t see they’re on a media-driven ride.

No, the idiot is you.

I lived in NYC in the 70s and early 80s when the murder rate was 1,500 people dead in a year.

What you're too stupid to understand is that the nature of crime has changed.

Back then, violent crime was concentrated in certain areas. It was contained to no-go neighborhoods, places you just didn't venture into. You navigated around the crime. Much of it had to do between gangs on their own turf. Between people settling scores. Drugs.

Today the crime is diffuse and unpredictable. People thrown off subway platforms, totally random shootings in midtown. Slashings. Punching.

To total strangers.

Lootings were confined to the blackouts and above 96th street.

You obviously were not living in NYC during the 70s-90s. Crime is very different today. You do not know what you are talking about.

R96 =the definition of obtuse

R96 can you explain the reason for the boom in tourism and NY real estate starting in the early 2000s?

If you read the newspapers about the increase in crime, it's mostly just gang violence plus domestic violence. Not that random.

Name callers and SCRRREEEEEEEE!! I automatically take your opponent's view.

R99 so it's not crime crime, Whoopi?

What does Portland have to do with George Floyd’s murder?

Oh, nothing

Crime has gone up because we’re just getting out of recession. Crimes always tracks the economy.

[quote]Giuliani had more crime in NYC

Idiots keep posting this over and over again.

When Giuliani became mayor in 1994 crime was sky high (although slightly lower than its peak).

Under his administration violent crime and murder was cut in half.

It continued to fall in the following years.

R96 R99 tell that to the 2 straphangers who were shot by 2 men who opened fire on the subway Saturday morning or the Columbia University student who was stabbed to death Thursday in Morningside Park and the Italian tourist who was also stabbed 24 hours after arriving in NY.

R97= the definition of idiot.

R96 = more nonsense and "feelings." Any proof?

You don't even seem to know what a murder rate is, though you do tangentially arrive at the correct point. Broken clock.

[quote]tell that to the 2 straphangers who were shot by 2 men who opened fire on the subway Saturday morning or the Columbia University student who was stabbed to death Thursday in Morningside Park and the Italian tourist who was also stabbed 24 hours after arriving in NY.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You are agreeing with me: "Today the crime is diffuse and unpredictable. People thrown off subway platforms, totally random shootings in midtown. Slashings. Punching. To total strangers."

R107= talking out of his ass.

[Quote] Under his administration violent crime and murder was cut in half.

Violent crime fell all over the US to record lows because of Clinton’s economy. Giuliani took credit for it in NYC but analysis shows he didn’t lower crime in NYC anymore than it happened everywhere else.

for those who like stats: Columbia University Morningside Campus saw a 45% spike in crime in 2019

[Quote] tell that to the 2 straphangers who were shot by 2 men who opened fire on the subway Saturday morning or the Columbia University student who was stabbed to death Thursday in Morningside Park and the Italian tourist who was also stabbed 24 hours after arriving in NY.

There are 8 million people in NYC. It’s still tens afest big city in the US

NewYorkers just voted for a tough-on-crime mayor.

Gee...I wonder why? I wonder what they're worried about?

I'm , R93, I'm joking FFS when I talk about crime of the past, etc. I'm trying to highlight how intensely stupid all this deflection people are trying. Crime rises & falls, it was worse way back when, etc. People can put on blinders all they want, try to deflect. Portland & many other cities are unsafer than ever before for random violence & crime, but keep deflecting & excusing. Fiddle while Rome burns, folks, keep at it.

[Quote] for those who like stats: Columbia University Morningside Campus saw a 45% spike in crime in 2019

You do realize that 1% being a victim of crime to 1.5% being a victim of crime is a 45% spike, right?

What are the raw numbers?

R112 and there are 350M people in the US and only 775,000K died from COVID. Makes me feel like throwing caution to the wind!

[Quote] NewYorkers just voted for a tough-on-crime mayor.

Please, Adams is barely a tough on crime mayor. He most he said was he was against defunding the police. He’s supportive of social changes to disincentivize crime

[Quote] and there are 350M people in the US and only 775,000K died from COVID. Makes me feel like throwing caution to the wind!

And entire sections of the country have

Giuliani and Braxton initiated the broken windows policy. That meant being very aggressive on quality of life crimes.Made NTC safer .

[Quote] and there are 350M people in the US and only 775,000K died from COVID. Makes me feel like throwing caution to the wind!

Just don’t jog in morningside park at 11 pm and you’ll be fine

R107 Give it up, old man. You posit that NYC is less safe now, despite having a crime rate that, even with the "surge" is a fraction of what it was when you lived there because it's now allegedly more "diffuse"? You assert this with no evidence other than...intuition, a feeling, yet I'm the one talking out of his ass?

The violent protests began in Portland years before George Floyd. The "participants" just used Floyd to continue on as usual and ramp it up.

When the pendulum swings people should not be surprised.

....

"People get the government they deserve" Guess who said that one?? Alexander Hamilton. Making you cringe a bit? Hamilton, who so many worship due to a B'wy musical...Snicker

R119, crime went down nationally, and even internationally (in the West at least) in the early 90s - broken windows policing didn't have anything to do with it

[quote]It is happening all over, but not as bad as Porltand. It's all out anarchy there

[quote]How do you know this?

Because we collect statistics. They have recorded more homicides this year than any year on record.

Tell us idiot at R121 where were you living 1970s-1990s?

New York had more murders under Giuliani than it does now

Tons of places in the red states are more violent than Portland

"Antifa" isn't really

Nice try, conservabots

Adams will be the mayor of NYC because he made crime issue 1. Obviously many people are concerned about it.

[Quote] Giuliani and Braxton initiated the broken windows policy. That meant being very aggressive on quality of life crimes.Made NTC safer .

Broken windows just targeted minorities and had no effect on crime in NYC. Crime went down in all big cities during the 90’s. NYC wasn’t special

[Quote] Adams will be the mayor of NYC because he made crime issue 1. Obviously many people are concerned about it.

Really? What specific plans did he mention exactly? I certainly don’t recall any

R120 or don't dine outside and risk being robbed, avoid bodegas and risked being stabbed, or visit Times Square and risk being shot by a stray bullet or stand on the subway platform and risk being pushed onto the tracks or cross the street and being a victim of a hit-and-run ...

R92, you are right that the vast majority of crime victims are black....so why do white conservatives think they need guns to "defend themselves"?

Hardly any homicide victims are middle class whites, and the middle class white people who are killed are usually murdered by other white people (usually friends, neighbors, or spouses)

So why do middle class conservative white people freak out over "crime" when they are unlikely to be victims of it?

[Quote] or don't dine outside and risk being robbed, avoid bodegas and risked being stabbed, or visit Times Square and risk being shot by a stray bullet or stand on the subway platform and risk being pushed onto the tracks or cross the street and being a victim of a hit-and-run ...

I’m so afraid!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding about Adams? As a former cop, he talked about crime constantly. One of his promises was bringing back plain clothes cops.

[quote]Really? What specific plans did he mention exactly? I certainly don’t recall any

Christ you're an idiot.

Tell us idiot at R127 do you have anything besides rosy, addled memories to back up what you say?

Just the facts, ma'am (which I've got).

[Quote] Are you kidding about Adams? As a former cop, he talked about crime constantly. One of his promises was bringing back plain clothes cops.

Sure he talked about crime but not alot of concrete plans

[Quote] Christ you're an idiot.

Still can’t name anything specific, huh?

New Yorkers are constantly fearful of crime. This election wasn’t any special. Every election has crime as a centerpiece.

R134 But it won't entice tourists or workers to come back to offices that are currently only at 28% capacity. Why risk it? What's going on there anyway?

Maya Wiley sure wasn't talking this way:

R134 what you should be afraid of is all the competition from those other unfullfilled bottoms in NYC. So many bottoms too few tops!

R114: You're fucking illiterate is what you are. And a right wing troll. There are no burned out 7-11s. Turn off Fox Nazi News and live in reality.

The NYPost specifically endorsed Adams because he made crime the number 1 issue. The Post endorsing anyone in a Dem primary is not normal. :) Since crime is not a serious problem, Dems in urban areas and nationwide should ignore it in future elections except to keep pushing bail and prison reform!

[quote] This country is fucked when half its population is open about wanting a police state.

No, we don't want a police state. We just trust that states can provide better protection than the federal government. It's funny that those calling against a police state don't give a shit when federal authorities abuse their power.

Yes, Ron DeSantis is a committed civil libertarian and anyone arrested in Florida can count on just and humane treatment.

[quote]You're fucking illiterate is what you are. And a right wing troll. There are no burned out 7-11s.

R143 Kenosha 2020:

City property valued at $2 million was destroyed by rioters, including garbage trucks, street lights and traffic signals. Kenosha's mayor requested $30 million in aid from the state to cover the extensive damage.[69] Damage to private property could be as high as $50 million, according to estimates from the Kenosha Area Business Alliance. This includes the 100-year-old Danish Brotherhood Lodge which was burned down when 40 buildings were destroyed and an additional 100 buildings damaged

Ya gotta love the bozo at R143: "There are no burned out 7-11s."

Liberals are so deluded that they are unlikely to change their tune unless they themselves become victims of violent crime, and even then they may be so brainwashed, they'll find some way to rationalize it.

Yawn.

[quote] No, we don't want a police state. We just trust that states can provide better protection than the federal government.

People can be hypocritical about this issue. When their state doesn't do what they want, then they want the feds to mandate things and enforce laws and come up with new laws and reasons why the feds should be involved in state criminal matters.

Do we want the states to decide their own gun laws? Do we want state juries to decide criminal cases? If they don't come out how we want then do we want the feds to step in and try to charge federal crimes - which only exist to override state decisions in many cases.

It's a complicated issue both in theory and in practice.

R151 You're right. Trump was criticized by Democrats for deploying National Guard troops to break up riots, yet Democrats want more federal intervention to stop the spread of Covid. Democrats also favor more government surveillance on private citizens which seems unconstitutional. It's a tough problem for sure.

R148 controlling, querulous queenie bottoms like R143 make it up as they go along. So defensive, so uniformed and so unfulfilled.

Not precisely true. Trump wanted to send in the *Army, not the National Guard. He wanted to send in the 82nd Airborne.

And yeah, that's exactly the same as doing contact tracing to stop the unchecked spread of a deadly, airborne virus. There's no difference.

Oregon and Wisconsin should have sent in National Guard to deal with rioters. I know it was a tough call for Dem Governors and I understand why they didn’t. But they should have.

Arny or National Guard. What difference does it make. You want to send it whatever force can get their the fastest. The Guard can easily be nationalized anyway.

well, hopefully for R143 they didn't burn down any Dollar Trees

The US Military and state National Guards are 2 very different organizations with different kinds of training, personnel, arms and purposes.

To say that they are interchangeable is to demonstrate remarkable ignorance.

Read a book, Mr. Bunker, before your pop your mouth off from the other end of the bar.

The only reason Dems didn’t want the guard sent in was because they were BLM protests. If the were Proud Boy riots the NG or Army would be there. Both sides are such hypocrites.

R159 Yes, we don't even have to speculate. Compare the actions taken against the BLM rioters with those at the Capitol Riot.

[quote] I live in a very diverse neighborhood in Brooklyn. It is incredibly rare to hear about a murder around here.

I always hear about murders in Brooklyn

September 16th

^If you so much as set foot at the Capitol, then you're not only likely to serve time, but you're also expected to surrender all your rights as a private citizen. Meanwhile, BLM rioters are being let go without bail, and those who were killed by Rittenhouse are celebrated as martyrs.

[quote] I live in a very diverse neighborhood in Brooklyn. It is incredibly rare to hear about a murder around here.

Nov 22, 2020

[quote] I live in a very diverse neighborhood in Brooklyn. It is incredibly rare to hear about a murder around here.

june 8, 2021

Good times in Bed Stuy

July 20th 2020

More good times. A 1 yr old baby was murdered

Nov 29, 2021

More murder in the incredibly diverse Bed Stuy

Nov 28, 2021

murder, Murder, MURDER

Good times

August 16, 2021

At least 16 people shot in 90 minutes in Brooklyn and Queens

[quote] those who were killed by Rittenhouse are celebrated as martyrs.

Maybe they are and maybe they aren't. But they're not doing talk shows and getting book deals. Because they're dead. Rittenhouse killed them. And you're fucking celebrating him so fuck you.

I can't wait for former cop Eric Adams to be retconned into a 'defund the police' communist by the police state Nazis on the DL.

R160 and how much burning, looting, and killing went on Jan 6 compared to the protest's aka riots in the summer of 2020? "Where is it written that protests have to be peaceful?"-Chris Cuomo formerly of CNN

How did this turn into New Yorkers bitching at each other?

I think the answer is FNY.

R134 looking at R123 R161 163, 164 ... you sound more foolish and clueless than fearless.

R172

1) it's DL

2) NY is the capital of bitchiness

What is your prescription, then, R174? Let's all abandon cities! Or maybe live life in constant fear? Never go outside? Be armed?

Please. Thrall us with your acumen.

what happen to all the queens who tried to make current NYC sound like Shangri La?

I just posted this on another thread, but I really think this might work.

A real money spinner would be to have an app that updates minute by minute on the areas of your fair city where the most attacks are taking place, so you can avoid them. Also, the apps checks the web, as to the locations the next large scale smash & grab & looting will be taking place, so you can avoid these areas as well. Also photos of the latest released highly violent, insane & assaultive individuals, so you can spot & avoid them as well.

Joking?..maybe not, this could really make some $$, I think.

^ Nextdoor already exists.

R179 I was just about to jump in and say I check Nextdoor right before leaving the house every day now, to see if anything is going on that I should avoid.

R178 Interesting, I think criminals would use this app in a way it wasn't intended to coordinate even larger crimes.

R178 for Gotham the area would change in a New York minute!

R179 Damn, missed another cash cow!!

[Quote] But it won't entice tourists or workers to come back to offices that are currently only at 28% capacity. Why risk it? What's going on there anyway?

It’s not the crime that stopping people from going back to their offices; it’s the fucking pandemic plus the realization that commutes to the office suck.

Yes, lots of murder because the economy continues to suck. THAT is the cause.

When the economy improves, like magic, people have jobs and stop killing each other. It happens every time

R184 then why are companies in NY advising their workers NOT to take the subway and dress down??? What has that to do with the pandemic Mayor Lurch?

Which company is doing that? What are you gonna do when DeBlasio is out of office?

I think it’s only one company. As more people return, the city’s gets safer. I’m hoping Adams is true to his word and helps get crime down. I am worried about the Manhattan DA who is part of the soft on crime school of prosecution. That being said, NYC is not a city full of airheads who refuse to deal with problems around them like more liberal cities.

…if it was we’d have Mayor Wiley.

R104 people were ready to leave NY under the one-term Mayor Dinkins who was so ineffectual, and Rudy did indeed reduce crime

[quote]Yes, lots of murder because the economy continues to suck. THAT is the cause.

That is not true.

Crime rates rose EVERY YEAR between 1955 and 1972, even as the U.S. economy surged,

R120 and add don't sit on a park bench on a Sunday afternoon to all the no noes! 62-year old man was shot in the head in a Bronx park earlier today while sitting on a bench.

[Quote] people were ready to leave NY under the one-term Mayor Dinkins who was so ineffectual, and Rudy did indeed reduce crime

Much of what Rudy took credit for started under Dinkins. Rudy just rode the Clinton crime reduction. Rudy did nothing but anger the minority communities her focused on his energy attacking

^ 'her focused on his energy attacking'

Focus on learning English syntax and grammar, dear!!

[Quote] Crime rates rose EVERY YEAR between 1955 and 1972, even as the U.S. economy surged,

That would be bull shit. Crime was at its lowest point in the late 60’s. It slowly rose again in the 70’s and fell dramatically in the 1990’s under Clinton. It didn’t reach the same lows of the late 1960’s until 20-teens.

9/11 was the best thing that happened to Rudy. He had nothing else

and don't sell your wares in Midtown R120 because a vendor was stabbed earlier tonight in an armed robbery. Where is it safe?

R196 and Rudy certainly didn't inherit an economically thriving city with the lowest crime rate of any big city as Lurch De Blasio did and then ruin it.

R3 would those people buying the million$ properties be leaders of the BLM movement by any chance?

R176 ' Please thrall US with your acumen'

OK Sybil!

r68, The published statistics of Portland Crime (using maps) does not support your scenario at all. Crime is still located primarily downtown and then in the Latino section of East Portland towards Gresham

R201 Might there be some... type of people, a group say, that's known for violence and habitually congregates downtown?

Bed Sty - Do or Die!

Watch out on your morning commute - this one is still at large.

It's like being trapped at an old folks home where the channel is stuck on Fox.

“If you lay with dogs, be prepared to get fleas” has served me well. There is a reason that stereotypes exist. Avoid certain locations and demographics and you will be much safer.

R206 is an example of how anti-white DL has become.

[quote] The published statistics of Portland Crime (using maps) does not support your scenario at all.

LOL! You think Portland doesn't now and hasn't been spinning its "crime stats"? Who would trust Portland to be honest about their crime?

How many crimes go unreported because residents know it does no good to report crime or for various other reasons? How are crime stats massaged to justify political policies that hurt crime stats? How are crimes redefined to achieve a political goal?

In my own experience, you will find more crime reported in lower income areas even if the crime in that specific offense is the same as in higher income areas - take Domestic Violence, e.g. Despite an assumed distrust or dislike of the police and the courts, lower income demographic groups voluntarily make more frequent use of these entities than other demographic groups.

R208 Exactly, crime stats are not reliable especially when there is so much political pressure to redefine crimes and keep the rate artificially low.

^However, it looks like crime is rising at an alarming rate despite the soft on crime approach. Politicians will continue to deflect, blaming the pandemic, but at some point, the dam will break.

Can’t decide between feeling sorry for or embarrassed by you gals that allow your lives to be controlled by such worries. Between the commenter that checks nextdoor before leaving the house or the ones that are afraid to visit New York for fear of being mowed down in a hit and run, the paranoia / hysterics are just desperate.

Checking Nextdoor before heading out is a common sense thing because you see if there is some major thing going on that might impair traffic, so you choose another route. So calm down R211. Not everyone is "hysterical" because they take 10 seconds to check a news feed before heading out. You sound ridiculous and are probably a dinosaur who doesn't even know how to use a smart phone.

R212 I’m neither thanks - I’ve avoided nextdoor because it’s the peak of nosy neighbour syndrome which I can’t stand. That aside, there is a general hysterical tone to most of the “omg crime” posters here non?

R211 any worse than the fear of COVID that keeps people locked in and quarantining? After all you have a very low chance of being hospitalized or dying especially if you are under 60. Not letting hysteria run my life but, being cautious and aware is always good.

It's so interesting how immune to facts people can be when they feel something emotionally.

"CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL!!!!" "It's really not. It's up a bit but still well below where it was even 10 years ago." "THE STATISTICS ARE RIGGED!!!"

"THE ECONOMY IS COLLAPSING!!!" "Unemployment is at a record low." "THE BLS IS IN THE POCKET OF THE DEEP STATE!!! HILLARY RUNS IT!!!"

etc.

[quote] "CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL!!!!" "It's really not. It's up a bit but still well below where it was even 10 years ago." "THE STATISTICS ARE RIGGED!!!"

Bullshit. You expect us to believe that when you decriminalize crime, allow expansion of tent cities, and promote bail policies and Covid policies that allow criminals to be released early onto the streets, see formerly middle class areas descend into ghettos is all indicative of less crime or a marginal uptick. You take us for fools. Just because crime doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean that those of us with just a lick of common sense can't call you out on your BS.

[quote] "THE ECONOMY IS COLLAPSING!!!" "Unemployment is at a record low." "THE BLS IS IN THE POCKET OF THE DEEP STATE!!! HILLARY RUNS IT!!!"

And yet you yourself blame the economy for any surge of crime. You're full of shit.

R195 You are wrong.

US crime over the years:

R216 it doesn’t matter how you spin it bb, crime is down. Also idk if you’ve heard the word ‘gentrification’ but what’s happening in neighborhoods generally is the reverse of what you’ve described. And what do tent cities have to do with anything? Unless what you mean is that it’s criminal that there are so many people forced to live on the streets, in which case I would agree with you but I’m guessing that doesn’t fit with your online edgelord opinion lol.

R218 bb there are multiple links above which have already addressed these claims. They are wrong.

R219 just because you feel like it doesn’t mean it’s true. Have a glance at the info linked, pay close attention to the past 10,20,30 or 40 years and you’ll notice crime (across the board except for rape) is at a lower rate now than at any of those decade milestones.

Posting links to a murder in Brooklyn doesn’t change this either sorry x.

R219 just because you feel like it doesn’t mean it’s true. Have a glance at the info linked, pay close attention to the past 10,20,30 or 40 years and you’ll notice crime (across the board except for rape) is at a lower rate now than at any of those decade milestones.

Posting links to a murder in Brooklyn doesn’t change this either sorry x.

Interesting that you mentioned rape in such an offhanded way. It's one of the few crimes that are treated more or less equally among different social classes.

R222 what was offhand about it? Should I have bookended it with sad face emojis? Also why my discussing it in an offhand way be ‘interesting’?

[quote] It's one of the few crimes that are treated more or less equally among different social classes.

So? Also….proof of this statement?

R201 I haven’t had time to look at these in depth, but I wasn’t disputing crime isn’t occurring downtown (I was run into by one of those menace scooters driving on the sidewalk and then punched by the well known old town drug addict riding it because when I stumbled from him hitting me, I ran into him and he thought I was trying to grab him). What I disputed in your previous post was that there are nightly clashes between “antifa” and “patriot” types. That is not happening. When there is some type of event or protest, they do come out and act like assholes, but it hasn’t been a nightly thing in a long time.

To say crime is only occurring at high rates in two neighborhoods is naive. If you follow the PPB socials, you’ll see the daily reports of crime occurring across the city.

Just this morning the police shot (no report on whether they’re dead or not) a person who was involved in multiple carjackings (shooting and injuring one victim) on I5.

These are the types of crimes that occur here almost daily now and while yes, overall crime may be down, for Portland the rate at which crime is occurring is way up.

It’s two fold - less cops on the streets including the defunding of the gang task force and old town patrols and a DA who operates a revolving door at the jail.

Suspect mentioned in R225 was killed.

Forgot the link, sorry. ^

Sigh.

[quote] You expect us to believe that when you decriminalize crime...

Who has decriminalized crime? I think crime is still illegal.

[quote] and promote bail policies and Covid policies that allow criminals to be released early onto the streets...

I guess you mean something about how some places let out prisoners who were non-violent or nearing the end of their sentences to cut down on Covid? Mostly this was a cost-saving measure as trying to keep alive dying people is expensive. I assume you want to see your taxes raised to maintain a huge jail system humanely?

[quote] see formerly middle class areas descend into ghettos...

Where? What neighborhood? Yeesh.

[quote] You take us for fools...

No, not "us." Just you.

Sigh.

Eye roll.

*Ugh.*

Yeesh!

Y'all just don't care like I do.

I'm not ignorant or, heaven forfend, privileged.

2020 probably saw the largest increase in homicides in the US in history. New York/ LA might not be rising at such a fast rate but other places are having their deadliest years ever, not just Portland.

And what are the Republicans in charge of Texas and Florida and Missouri and Wisconsin doing about it?

You cannot just say crime is up or down. You have to look at the type of crime. You have to see which crimes have been redefined - theft dollar amounts, e.g.. You have to see what crimes are now decriminalized. In some areas many drug crimes are now decriminalized but that activity is still going on. Activity which still leads to other crimes (gun possession, gateway drug use, gang competition, etc.

Violent crime is not down.

R232 drug crimes that have been decriminalized are no longer crimes babe. I’m guessing you’re talking about marijuana use and possession? Do you think walking into a dispensary and purchasing a couple of joints for personal use counts as a ‘non counted crime’? Your type of fussy worrier are just the worst.

And yes, violent crime is down.

Violent crime may be down overall, but in Portland, the subject of this thread, this year has had a record number of homicides. Another one this morning.

The whataboutisms don’t matter to those of us who live here. This is not the city we lived in even a few short years ago.

Yesterday.

I'm still fascinated to hear which middle class neighborhoods have been taken over by THUGS!!!

PPB chief acknowledges the recent uptick in crime.

[quote] drug crimes that have been decriminalized are no longer crimes babe. I’m guessing you’re talking about marijuana use and possession? Do you think walking into a dispensary and purchasing a couple of joints for personal use counts as a ‘non counted crime’?

No, Miss Prisspot. I'm not talking about cute little dispensaries. I'm talking about street sales where they still sell weed. Along with other drugs. Weed possession is legal where I am but unlicensed sales are not. So that kind of drug activity continues on the streets but because it's legal to have up to 2 oz on your person, people are more likely to carry their stash. In some ways the decriminalization of possession has encouraged and facilitated street sales.

With that activity still comes gun possession and shootings and protecting territory. Even if you could sell weed legally on the street, we'd still be seeing turf beefs. One of the issues with weed is that it is a gateway drug. Obviously not everyone moves on to more troublesome drugs, but many do and when you buy weed on the street you are exposed to the other drugs.

Sometimes these so-called progressive policies are just not thought through enough. I'm all for legal weed but it's never as simple as people want to think.

Well another gateway drug is alcohol. It's actually thousands of times more dangerous than weed ever thought of being.

R238 funny that you call me miss prisspot when you’re losing your mind over a few joints being sold on the street. Give over.

Is there any reason why the shooting in Portland isn’t getting more publicity. A BLM crowd is confronted by someone who lives in the area and 5 people are shot, one killed. This seems like a big story and yet I see no new information about it. Is there zero interest in Portland protests and violence anymore? .

R241 Wait, WHAT?

[quote] Well another gateway drug is alcohol.

More assaults happen over sugary treats and Chicken McNuggets. But the sugar industry and McDonald's prefer to suppress the actual numbers.

Whatever happened with the mass shooting? There seems to be zero media on it?

Seven months later Portland in a state of emergency due to gun violence.