What Caused Tom Cruise To Go Off The Deep End?

the funny thing is? he always had issues that were never addressed and scientology saw this and made it/him worse ON PURPOSE..

and by now? He's so far gone that his brain can't comprehend (or he's the ultimate biggest liar to himself ever!) that by now after 30 plus years in scientology, why as a high level OT and allegedly considers himself a "big being", why he is still STILL so insecure that he dyes his hair, wears lifts in his shoes and gets fillers concerned about aging? shouldn't he be more evolved and enlightened not to care about such trivial things! Besides, if he got a medal for being the most dedicated scientologist the leader knows, shouldn't he also have long ago given up his silly movie career to spread scientology, clear the planet and save mankind! shouldn't that be his ultimate 24/7 goal in life instead of a silly acting career?...

the contradictions are BEYOND OBVIOUS, BEYOND as clear as the nose on his face!.....

not to mention 3 wives come and gone, and abandoning Suri... how is scientology "working" for him again??

never mind,

R 1 is spot on.

Always amazed at artists who work so far below their ability. He's a good actor and has known what it's like to act well.

OMG they are up to Mission Impossible 8?! I stopped at the second one.

It is like he doesn't even try anymore.

He was great in Born on The Fourth of July and escaped the brat pack label that brought all his peers down.

I wonder how he feels about Nicole having an Oscar and perhaps this year a second one.

(also has he just quit women? No more marriages since Katie.)

That scientology book by Andrew Morton made it sound like he loves the adulation he gets from others in the church and is thrilled with the expensive gifts they give him. (odd since he could buy them himself easioly.)

Sounds like he was off to begin with and Scientology just made him worse. I always think of that interview of Bronson Pinchot when he talks about Risky Business:

[quote]We didn’t know it was going to be a big hit. We thought Tom [Cruise] was the biggest bore on the face of the Earth. He had spent some formative time with Sean Penn—we were all very young at the time, Tom was 20, I was 23. Tom had picked up this knack of calling everyone by their character names, because that would probably make your performance better, and I don’t agree with that. I think that acting is acting, and the rest of the time, you should be you, but he called us all by our character names. He was tense and made constant, constant unrelated homophobic comments, like, “You want some ice cream, in case there are no gay people there?” I mean, his lingo was larded with the most… There was no basis for it. It was like, “It’s a nice day, I’m glad there are no gay people standing here.” Very, very strange. Years and years later when people started to torment him with that, I used to think “God, that’s really fitting, because he tormented a lot of people as a 20-year-old.” He made such a big deal about it.

He’s a not-very-bright narcissist. Embarrassingly smug yet uneducated. A tragic victim of an evil cult.

Some people are just nuts from birth. Tom made some bad decisions especially $cientology.

Is Pinchot gay?

His story about Cruise is hard to follow.

Theory - what if Tom got more attention from guys early on, it bothered him, and then people labeled him gay (for stupid reasons - his height, his profession, whatever) and this drove him ultimately into a gay-hating cult?

Maybe he is straight but never made it enough as a heartthrob to shake off gay attention/taunting, which infuriated him...

He may be actually gay, but....maybe he just isn't.

Tom Cruise, like fellow fucked in the head miserably closeted gay men of yore Michael Jackson and Kevin Spacey, had an insane father who would beat him growing up. It pretty much explains his entire thing for me, at least.

Staff and creatives in The Color of Money witnessed long encounters behind closed doors with Paul Newman. Word also had out in the porn industry about his penchant for hiring escorts as famous as Chad Hunt and his predilection for wrestling scenarios. The guy’s at least bi (like Newman was, his entire life).

Tom Cruise was supposedly a hustler and that's how he broke into Hollywood. His first film role was a small part in Endless Love, which was directed by Franco Zeffirelli, who was a notorious chickenhawk. His love of barely legal boys has been well-documented.

If you watch Cruise's scenes in Endless Lover he pings like mad and Zefferelli loves photographing his tight ass in tight jeans and Cruise seems to enjoy presenting them.

Zeffirelli no doubt tapped young Tommy's ass.

[quote]Staff and creatives in The Color of Money witnessed long encounters behind closed doors with Paul Newman.

Lucky bugger.

Stories for years that Newman was pegging Tammy during the Color Of Money.

I'm surprised Newman's bisexuality isn't more widely known.

Maybe Tom Cruise thinks you are all going off the deep end? Did you think of that? Did you? No, you didn't, did you.

Because r16, it hasn’t been discussed a lot. I am a big Paul Newman fan and the bisexuality rumors are new to me.

Matt, you're glib.

Zeffirelli was so entranced by Tom's ass that he didn't even mind the jacked-up teeth.

Oooh Lawd r20, shame the devil, tell no lies. Tom Cruise use to have some fucked up teeth. In a cast full of handsome men, he was the butt ugly one in The Outsiders.

Cruise had horrible hillbilly teeth. His whole mouth basically had to be renovated.

He's always been insane but his publicist was Pat Kingsley, who was powerful enough to keep it away from the public. When he got rid of her and replaced her with his sister, the bets were off.

Pat Kingsley was able to keep a lid on the crazy, and of course there was no social media.

Doesn’t he have dyslexia?

I worked with two Scientologists. He (a bartender) and his friend (waitress) were obnoxious about their religion, always shoving it in our faces. He was eventually prosecuted for skimming money from the hugely popular bar and his friend was his accomplice. They made off with a fortune until caught in a sting operation. The one thing I always wondered about was this. Were they keeping the cash or giving it to the church.

He reminds me a lot of a closeted Mormon I knew. Able to "pass" as straight (fraus believed he was straight because he was married to a woman). Reached high status in the church (an "elder" even though he's not old).

Cruise's wives:

1. Mimi Rogers: alleged lesbian.

2. Nicole Kidman: picked from the chorus to star with him in Far and Away. Someone Cruise could control, make into a star, etc.

3. Katie Holmes: another Svengali project for Cruise.

This is very attenuated gossip, but my friend's husband is an architect. Gossip comes via my friend via her architect husband. Some other architect (not friend's husband) built a house in Aspen for Cruise. House was designated as hideaway for Cruise and boyfriend.

He’s always been crazy.

What happened is he fired his longtime publicist in 2004. And then that’s when all his crazy came out and got exposed. She did a good job protecting him.

When I met Cruise way back when he seemed extremely shy, staring down at the ground, with a lot of nervous ticks. We were standing in line for an industry preview on Sunset Bl of the MPAA.

Yes he's very short. Actors get constantly criticized so to avoid it as well as rejection for roles they always overcompensate. Note the numbers of performers who lie about their height on their public bio's.

I remember years ago he did an interview shilling Minority Report and they played it every 12 minutes on the comcast tv guide station. He described his character as "Rough trade in a good suit". I started a thread about it here and we all laughed.

Age. No longer Top Gun.

r27 I also have some attenuated gossip. Back when Cruise and Kidman were married, a friend of mine told me a professional colleague of his went to Cruise and Kidman's house and they had separate everything - bedrooms, entrances, etc. They could easily both be in the house and never see each other.

Yes, this is basically a "friend of a friend" story, but make of it what you will. I'm just repeating what I heard.

I went to the first Scientology class when I was in college. Actually, watching TC and Matt Lauer is a masterclass in the crap that they taught. Don't pay any attention to what the other person is saying (other than to grab some points) and do your best to talking over them, the idea being that if you don't let the other person get a word in, you can convince yourself you've won the argument. (After all, it's all about convincing yourself, the only person in the conversation that matters.)

My experience with Scientology made me a proponent of the death penalty. Those dimwits have no reason for being.

Isn't Scientology homophobic?

Also, Tom posed for a gay magazine during his late teens. Like Matt LeBlanc, he didn't want anyone to know about it. I can't imagine how much money Tom spends to clean up Google searches on his name.

Tom looking madly in love with Paul Newman.

R34... allegedly, Cruise posed for these modeling photos (and others not as risque) for a photographer and had NO IDEA that they would appear in gay papers/magazine.. Not sure If he ever sued the photographer or what all happened. ... Just saying....

If a Paul Newman/Tom Cruise sex tape is leaked, I promise to never ever ask for anything for Christmas ever again.

Tom is a mental case, but had serious charisma as a young man.

Cruise was hot when young. He looked so much like those cute boy-next-door twink bottoms you'd see in 80s gay porn.

Funny how Tom Cruise played a minor role in Endless Love and The Outsiders and ended up becoming the breakout star with the longest spanning career. He did have charisma and wasn't a bland empty pretty boy or roided-up macho robot. He took the earnest everyman route.

r11, r16, Wow! It's too bad that wasn't on film. Newman and Cruise fucking would have been high art compared to that mediocre movie they ended up starring in.

[quote] He took the earnest everyman route.

IMO, his roles have been more "extraordinary man" than every man.

It's interesting that despite DL claiming him a sociopathic asshole. Most people who've worked with him said he's very kind and polite to the help and super professional. With being a perfectionist as his main fault. I feel he's more a puppet for the Scientology masters and given how they blackmail people. Likely goes along with it for his reputation. He isn't educated and is too mentally unstable to be this mastermind. Scientology is to LA county as LDS is to Utah. They hold power over the local politics and law due to their wealth. But even then Scientology will leave certain members to die if they get so deep into crime like Danny Masterson.

[quote]Staff and creatives in The Color of Money witnessed long encounters behind closed doors with Paul Newman.

They were "rehearsing."

[quote] Isn't Scientology homophobic?

They run a scam. They insist that homosexuality is a problem that can be solved by taking their very expensive classes. You can't offer a pricey solution when there is no problem.

The whole "religion" is about taking classes and leveling up. The more money you give the cult, the higher you rise in the cult's social ranking. Getting fancy titles, reach new levels of consciousness, getting closer and closer to the universal truth, etc. Again, it's a total scam.

And as in a typical clan, if they have a use for you or if you are giving them money, they will separate you from loved ones and try to replace your family/friends with other cult members, so you can be better manipulated.

This is about money first and foremost.

Scientology, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Evangelicals are just moneymaking cults. They change their rules too like it's nothing and profit off their tax exempt status. It's not a shocker majority of them were founded in The US and reflect our capitalist nature.

[quote]Scientology, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Evangelicals are just moneymaking cults.

And they're also all about control.

R45... homosexuality and other "perversions" are considered 1.1 on the "tone scale"... something to eradicate from the planet, hubbard himself stated that "the homosexual and other perversions should be wiped off the planet without remorse"... he also stated that Jesus Christ didn't exist, but was a implant in people's minds? HUH? and in a recorded speech, mentioned how he had left his body and traveled thru the van allen belt in space!... what a freak he was!..

Let me tell you about the good news!

Hubbard was batshit insane, go on Wiki and read his bio. Fucking nuts. It's amazing anyone could take him seriously.

In order to understand cults, you must understand human perception. Cults brainwash your perception where the outside world is wrong, and their scripture is always right. Cult members perceive things very differently after they have been brainwashed. Family members, who are not in the cult, are your enemy trying to pull you out of bubble of truth and into the hell of lies and deceit. In order for you to thrive the cult must thrive and you have to do your part any way possible (money, recruiting new members, physical labor, etc.).

It's impossible for an outsider to even put doubts in some cult member's mind when the influence of the cult is still strong and present. We see that with regular cults like Scientology, we see it in drug addicts, we see it in Deplorables and anti vaxxers. It's all about the individual's perception of what is the truth and what is the lie.

R51... Simply? what does it say that anyone would read dianetics, the modern science of mental health and join a religion created by a science fiction/pulp fiction writer?! Oh wait, I forgot Hubbard was a war hero, a adventurer, a scientist, super educated (lied as he flunked out of college), a author, a film director, you name it!.... you know ultimate modern day renaissance man! according to the bio of him given to all culties and cruise believes in whole heartedly...

Tom had a very tough upbringing with his abusive father. He may have been touched too. Also his lack of education and dyslexia. Crippling low self esteem and anxiety. Like most in Hollywood, he was troubled at home before he arrived in tinseltown. I can see fame being appealing to those who have no self-esteem and a desire for validation. Cults feed on that same insecurity and weakness. Tom was already a religious Catholic. So hoping from one dogma to another isn't that crazy.

CAN ANYONE imagine what cruise's life is when he's not filming? (although allegedly he is always always working on a new project, script, post-production, etc)...

surrounded by cult "handlers", family members in the cult as well.. seemingly never goes anywhere for enjoyment or fun and certainly not by himself. never seen out and about in hollywood...

who knows maybe he likes it this way? no love in his life, not even a pet either!..

WHAT IN THE WORLD 10, 20 years from now?

[quote] He may have been touched too.

He was heavily involved with the Catholic Church as a child/teen where he was around male clergy members in unsupervised environments and it was the 70s. I would bet on it.

Cults prey on those who are poor, troubled, uneducated, lonely and deeply insecure. Unlike religion which is public and usually just a part of one's culture and upbringing. Cults are far more secretive and aim to isolate it's members from the outside world. Cult members will cut off those who leave. Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientology fit that bill.

He is tiny and he is in the closet. That sums it up pretty well I think.

One way or the other, we are all get mentally fucked in our childhood, making us easy prey for all kinds of snake oil salesmen like Scientology. Most of us are told that we are broken, not worthy, too ugly, too stupid, etc. And as teens and adults we look for confirmation, help, guidance, or someone who tells us we are pretty or smart after all and that's the one person we will worship until we die (no matter what kind of scumbag he turns out to be).

the thing is everyone, CRUISE had everything one could want or seemingly what he wanted....

he was a superstar doing something he loved, getting butt kissed by hollywood and the public, filthy rich, born handsome and healthy, didn't have to struggle for years and years, as he went from 18 year old nobody to world's biggest star in 6 years! BEFORE HE EVER HEARD OF SCIENTOLOGY!

How in the world does someone who had all this going for them, STILL need a "self help" religion, because daddy was mean to him for a few years growing up and years ago!.. Cruise and his mother and sisters left the father, not the other way around, cruise hadn't seen him for years until he passed away when cruise was 21...

CRUISE is the epitome of being a a anomaly because scientology while always going after (one of their actual policies) celebrities, in the past, the only ones they could get were has been's and never were's....

here, they got the world's most famous movie star and still have him over 30 years later? If you read biographies about cruise and scientology, it's so damn bizarre and perverse! how he left a movie set and was flown by helicopter and then driven to the secret compound base, how he was to meet miscavige for the first time, how miscavige was upset that cruise was late , because they had prepared everything, the grounds, dinner, certain people to be there, and how cruise didn't get there until dark, and how he was wined and dined and shown around the grounds and the pair hung out together for a few days and then for a few years, how in between movies, cruise would go to the base and privately study there for days and even weeks at a time...

how in the fuck does and did cruise think any of this is normal behavior? AND NO, because he was a Catholic (so was I), it would not be the same, remotely so, as leaving one religion for another in devotion or whatever..

[quote] How in the world does someone who had all this going for them, STILL need a "self help" religion, because daddy was mean to him for a few years growing up and years ago!.. Cruise and his mother and sisters left the father, not the other way around, cruise hadn't seen him for years until he passed away when cruise was 21...

Dude, in what kind of world are you living in? Most of us carry around childhood trauma and past resentment baggage and refuse to do something about it and just be miserable and lash out at others for the smallest of things. No amount of money or success will let us move past issues when we still hold on to them like our lives depend on it. That's why seeking help (from, say, a shrink) is so vital in adulthood. Most people only seek help for serious symptoms like anger management issues, drug addiction, etc.

It was Brad rejecting his advances when they shot INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE that cracked Tammy.

Which is a waste of good suffering. Bisexual slut Christian Slater was right there on the same set! And Antonio Banderas! Why give up at the first big blond hillbilly hurdle?

Cruise hasn't publicly "dated" anyone since his divorce from Katie Holmes 10 years ago.

[quote]Bisexual slut Christian Slater was right there on the same set!

Some people have standards

R64 like Brad Pitt is so much better🙄

[quote]It was Brad rejecting his advances when they shot INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE that cracked Tammy.

Brad (bisexual) was crazy to turn that down. Early 90s Tom Cruise was delicious. I would've hit that ass front, back and sideways.

Even when he was pretty, there is no way in hell I would've hooked up with a nutso like Tom Cruise. He's the type who cries during sex and after. And then gets all clingy and needy, or paranoid that you gonna spill the beans about hooking up with him and stalking you like a freak.

A friend once told me: Don't date cops, don't date actors, don't date closet cases , don't date Republicans, and most importantly, don't date shrinks ... they will constantly try to analyze you.

Yes R61, I know people who are beautiful and successful and yet still deeply fucked up with low self-esteem because of their upbringing or being bullied. Many are perfectionists and have serious trust issues. Difficulty maintaining relationships and still lack social skills.

He is married to Miss Cabbage.

R61.. well if this was 100% true, then I would be seeing a shrink 24/7 and be involved in 10 cults, because I had it waaaaaaaaaaaay worse than cruise and still do, and so do most people! Sorry, I'm not buying this! Or at least cruise should have and his mother (who got involved in the cult too and was in until she passed away a few years ago) should have gone or sent him to a shrink instead of some little know secretive "self help" religion...

DID the cult make him think getting ass kissed by them 24/7 for over 3 decades, surprise birthday parties on yachts, medals given, "handlers" around him in both his professional and personal life, hanging out with the leader, doing all kinds of non religious things, including best man at 2 of the 3 failed marriages and NOT seeing the leader's wife presumably his friend too for13 years and counting, all normal, proper, appropriate and even DESERVED?!..

sorry but no matter who you are, you (cruise), have to be a truly big piece of shit to think it's all good and okay!

R68.. okay, you and all of us know people who are extremely attractive who have self esteem issues from their upbringing, but NONE OF US KNOW anyone who all this (attractiveness) and everything else cruise had/has... not the same thing....

So yes, on the other hand something is wrong with cruise, or, he's just the world's biggest loser and pussy....

I mean boo hoo daddy was mean to him for only A FEW YEARS, it wasn't like he beat him up with verbal, emotional, physical abuse since he was born and for years and years....cruise and his sisters and mother had to deal with this for a very short time, cruise didn't have ANY relationship with his father at all, and his father died literally 39 years ago! still cruise needs/needed help dealing with daddy? really? Plus cruise had the closeness and love of his mother and his sisters, always had girlfriends in school and friends too... HIs oh so horrible childhood (sarcasm) is and was waaaaaaaaaaay better than most!...AND you add in everything else he has in life and it doesn't add up!...

how in the hell did he navigate mean ole hollywood in such a short time then?

r70, different people fall for different snake oil salesmen. We are surrounded by them 24/7.

And nobody will believe that you are so damage free. You're here on Datalounge, after all.

According to Wikipedia, Cruise moved around a lot. His parents split and he went to 15 different schools. No wonder he has no sense of identity. His childhood was tumultuous.

Apart from his crooked tooth. Cruise's good looks helped him a lot. He had goodlooking white boy privilege when he landed in NYC and LA. All the chickenhawks were giving him handouts left and right. Just like with Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves and Michael J Fox. Being cute and young can open the doors and being willing to have sex even more so. If you're poor and desperate for fame, you will do anything to get ahead.

R73.. yes, i'm sure moving around and going to various different schools was tough, but then again, cruise hated school and was never the "outsider" for very long... and he always goes on and on how he wanted adventure, a adventurous life, so what's the problem?..... it wasn't like he was moving to foreign countries and couldn't speak the language and had no friends ever!....

R74 Honestly he seems almost autistic or ADHD to me. Poor social skills and emotional regulation and control. His good looks and charm helped him a lot. He would be working in fast food without them. He had good handlers who trained him what to say and do in public and Scientology probably is what kept him so disciplined and focused. Organized religion is a drug for some.

[quote] Tammy

People who refer to him as "Tammy" are a bunch of screwed-up old fags who live in the past.

^^Just like Tom!

You are nothing but a robot when all you do is what other people tell you to do. It's like with Kim Kardashian. Everybody around her is telling her what to do, she's always standing around waiting for someone to give her an order. No individual thought.

Tom Cruise might be so extreme that, on his own, he just sits in a chair quietly (not even meditating) and waits until it's time for his next scheduled appointment.

The leaders of Scientology are morally bankrupt sociopaths but most of the followers are just lonely often dimwitted people wanting to be part of something big. Like most cults, they go after the right people who are insecure and unstable. People forget celebrities are human beings and just as dumb and dissatisfied as the regular Joe walking on the street. In fact, most actors are very insecure and self-absorbed people who crave adoration. No amount of money and fame can fix those internal issues. Years of therapy and proper medication maybe but most people are too ashamed to even admit they are sick and the stigma around mental health and psychiatry doesn't help. It's changing but Tom is from an older generation. I can't see as nearly many younger people falling for shit like Scientology. Yes astrology is popular but that requires literally no effort or commitment and nobody really takes it seriously.

Desperate need for validation makes you easy prey for cults like Scientology.

You are perfect as you are ... as soon you 've taken the following courses we offer for a price. Each time you pass another level, we like and appreciate you more.

It's one of the most basic schemes in our society. You give someone money, and you receive positive feedback from that person or organization.

[quote] You give someone money, and you receive positive feedback from that person or organization.

They get you with sunk cost. So many people halfway in think, “I’ve invested all this time and money, and alienated friends and loved ones over this—can’t be for nothing...”

I remember reading an article about Tom in Rolling Stone around the time that the movie Legend came out. Tom's father had recently died and Tom mentioned that there was there was bad blood between the two of them that he wished had been worked out before his death. It seemed to really haunt Tom and the whole article had a very downbeat tone because of it. Even back then, in 1985 or so, I figured it had to do with Tom being gay and his father not being able to accept it even on his death bed.

And maybe that was a reason he turned to Scientology.

Does anyone know if Travolta left the cult?

Tammy is long gone and not coming back. He is obsessed with staying young and on top, despite pushing 60 and being too old for action roles.

Yes. It makes sense that his father's death may have played a role. Losing someone in your life makes you vulnerable. It reminds you of your own mortality as well. Tom was already in Hollywood with other Scientologists like John Travolta.

Tom is still pretty bankable and maintained his looks. Travolta can still get a role here and there but nobody is checking for him. Plus Travolta's sexuality is no longer a secret because of all the sexual harassment lawsuits from younger men coming into light.

Val Kilmer’s loss to Christian Science, woman-beating, cheapness, and the throes of cancer was the greater. Was really rooting for him back in the day, and he let us all down hard.

Who really had high hopes for Tom Cruise?

He’s in over his inflamed head

He's mental and of low intelligence.

short Irishman with a bully for a father. and has a teeny weeny tiny peeny full of unhealthy amounts of zucchini!

Paul Newman got to bang both James Dean and Tom Cruise in their prime. Legend.

R90 you're quite the poet!

Fans herself. Why thank you.

[quote]He is obsessed with staying young and on top, despite pushing 60 and being too old for action roles.

It really is ridiculous at this point. Cruise is old enough that he could have adult grandchildren but he's still acting like it's the early 90s and he's this hot 30ish stud saving the world in his action movies. Completely stupid.

His facial injections will keep him young. FOREVER.

He's scientology's cash cow. In return they provide him with wives, children bread by xenu members, a PR image and money. I wonder what Nicole Kidman got out this arrangement? Ongoing employment for keeping her mouth shut about all the criminal and dodgy stuff she saw at xenu. I wonder.

R94.. well, what do you say about arnold, sly and harrison ford doing another "indiana jones" movie?... I think it's MORE sad that cruise decided not to be a actor any more but going for action films and a hoping for big box office and then big paycheck, it's all about the money now and action thrills?

R82.... cruise had NO RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER for years throughout his teenage years with his father, never saw him at all, until his father was on his deathbed and died when tom was 21, so i hardly think cruise's father knew his son was gay (if he is) !...

R85, cruise's father wasn't in his life, so it's hard to miss someone who wasn't in your life and was a alleged asshole to you, and cruise didn't join scientology until 1987 or so, when he was already a superstar doing fine on his own in life..

[quote] cruise's father wasn't in his life, so it's hard to miss someone who wasn't in your life and was a alleged asshole to you, and cruise didn't join scientology until 1987 or so, when he was already a superstar doing fine on his own in life..

This makes absolutely no sense. All children desire a relationship with their fathers. It's instinctual. Especially young boys who need their fathers because they would identity with an older male figure and look up to them. Father abandonment is psychologically traumatic. The child is filled with guilt and blames themselves. That feeling inadequacy follows you for your life. Single mothers cannot provide for a child the same as two parents can.

R98... perhaps, but cruise had a mother and sisters who adored him, always had male friends, and yes, his father was a asshole (allegedly).. and with EVERYTHING ELSE he had and does have he was that "abandoned by his father" ill?...

yes, you can long for a parent, a father figure, but when does one get over this? when they are 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80? sorry, but enough is enough, it is and it was what it was and is... cruise had EVERYTHING ELSE, more than 99.9% on the planet, so get over it I say!..

Many people love their abusive parent. It's not something that can't be helped. Relationships are complicated. They may not want a relationship with them and cut them off. But still you just don't stop caring about someone. Mourning his father's death is just normal human behavior.

R99 The first seven years of your life are the most formative. No you don't get over childhood trauma. You just learn to cope and heal. But you don't forget. Early child brain is fragile. Think about it. It takes 25 years for the human brain to fully form. We are among the slowest species to reach adulthood.

Humans are humans. You act like money makes you a superhuman and stop having normal feelings and insecurities. We are still cavemen with instincts and chemicals that control us. We just know live in houses and drive cars but we're still mentally hunter gatherers. Hollywood is just good at making these people seem more invincible than they are. Privileged people still have problems as they are people. Humans are mentally unstable by nature too, we always create problems even in the most stable perfect environment.

[quote]This makes absolutely no sense. All children desire a relationship with their fathers. It's instinctual. Especially young boys who need their fathers because they would identity with an older male figure and look up to them. Father abandonment is psychologically traumatic. The child is filled with guilt and blames themselves. That feeling inadequacy follows you for your life. Single mothers cannot provide for a child the same as two parents can.

This is a major, major problem in the black community, and why so many black men turn out to be so damaged and criminally violent.

Tom Cruise is black?

R102 and that was the fault of the liberals. Don't get me wrong I am a liberal. But Johnson's war on poverty caused this when it was decided to give welfare to mothers and when they got welfare the fathers were not allowed to live in the home. They should have been allowed to stay in the home to help raise the boys. Instead, we caused a permanent underclass that we stick in a ghetto and don't really want to be bothered with except to throw out platitudes. A lot of black people did go to college and now there are two generations of black middle and upper-class with good high paying jobs. But it's not enough.

R101, then I and millions of others should be REALLY REALLY FUCKED UP because our "childhood" our formative years were and many still are as they up growing up now WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy worse than cruise and we, they still DON'T have the other trappings of what makes a great life like cruise has!

and you don't see me or any of these others joining a fucking cult! and also being criminally negligent knowing the shit that goes on and the abuse and turn a blind eye to it all, because hey, they kiss his/my ass so that's all that matters to me/him!...

I just heard Tom Cruise is BLACK! Maybe he's a one of them mulatos. Oh, and had a mean dad.

That's nonsense R104. You have to be a brain dead idiot to believe any of that.

Only on Datalounge could a twat post he's a Liberal 'Sure Jan' while blaming Black people for Tom Cruises behavior.

r105 stop putting all of your personal shit in this thread. No one gives a shit.

Let's get back to talking about Tom and what a nut he is.

r105 Yes. You know millions of people and their lives. Also about the cults, isn't most of the world religious especially those who are poor? You clearly don't get out much and have a solipsist view on things. Most people work for corrupt companies and turn a blind eye. Most people vote for politicians like Trump knowing they are corrupt. There is nobody on this earth that is morally consistent and perfect. Everyone is messed up and hypocrite. It's spectrum who is more extreme than the other. That's reality and you will be much happier when you accept this and stop judging others.

Met him twice about 15 years ago when I lived in LA. Nice guy, very professional. Better looking in person but I got an asexual vibe from him. The standard "Cruise laugh" seemed forced and fake. I think he's damaged goods and that's how CO$ got there hooks in him.

I wonder how Katie Holmes feels about the fact she bearded for Cruise for years hoping to get an A-list Hollywood career that never happened. She tried with Jamie Foxx and it didn't work either. She just doesn't have it.

Back in tbe 90s there were multiple stories in the news, at least once a year, about him saving some regular joe/jane from some peril. It stood out to me even as a child, it seemed just so fake. They really tried to sell him as a real life hero. Was it a scientology or a Hollywood thing?

R66 Yes Tom was very hot in the 80s and 90s. Surprised Brad would turn down that eager slutty bottom. Even if Tom is crazy. It's not like Brad doesn't like the crazy himself, he was with three crazy broads: Gwyneth, Jennifer and Angelina.

R88 I can't believe they are still retreading this crap. I don't remember a single thing about the first Mission Impossible movie, except being very disappointed the aspect of teamwork within the group was jettisoned. The subtlety and intrigue of the original now replaced by the grating and overbearing Cruise.

The second movie was just a commercial nightmare. What an overblown tribute to Cruise's ego that piece of crap was!

His love of COCK

[quote]I wonder how Katie Holmes feels about the fact she bearded for Cruise for years hoping to get an A-list Hollywood career that never happened. She tried with Jamie Foxx and it didn't work either. She just doesn't have it.

She was fucking awful in Batman Begins. That part needed a much stronger actress.

Zeffirelli definitely had that ass!

R104 is bottom of the barrel Facebook propaganda.

The mothers that needed the welfare was because the father was not in the picture. That goes for white and black. Many, many more whites on government assistance than blacks. Especially rural whites.

People need to go to college and stop getting their history education from Facebook memes.

[quote]Many, many more whites on government assistance than blacks. Especially rural whites.

A hugely disproportionate number of blacks are on government assistance. And it's true that women with children get more benefits if the father is not living in the home.

R117 Agreed. She could never act. She was pretty bad in Dawson's Creek too but people were easier on her because she was young. She really never improved. She was pretty awful as Jackie Kennedy.

I watch Batman Begins about once a year and I always FF through Katie Holmes' scenes. I believe she was supposed to be in the Dark Knight but she was so awful and audiences complained so much that you never heard about her character again.

The character in general was annoying to me. Katie Holmes and Maggie Gyllenhaal are both hard to look at and listen to.

I've posted this before, but I saw The Dark Knight in the theater and the audience cheered and clapped when Maggie Gyllenhaal got blown up in that explosion. It was too funny.

Katie Holmes would have been well advised to stick with TV, and do the occasional indie movie.

She was pretty good at that, and while it would not have led to the A-list, especially if she was unwilling to become one of Harvey's girls. She was on the right trajectory for a solid career that she could have built experience on.

To try and follow in Kidman's footsteps was foolhardy indeed. Kidman was made from much tougher stuff, yet she was able to effortlessly project any emotion from her very first days of acting... Holmes is set for life, yet there is so much sadness about her.

R47 & R48 I agree with regard to Jehovah's Witnesses being about their own variety of control. Aren't most religions. I disagree about them being all about the dollars. Please explain, provided you can. I don't believe you can so please prove me wrong.

R127 You're right about JWs having a vow of poverty and being downward in mobility. But the JW leaders who are richer definitely exploit the lower level members who are often poor and uneducated. And their desire for power is greed. But I get what you're saying. JW are contrary to Mormons and Baptists who strongly encourage education and see higher income as a blessing from God thus a sign of moral superiority. JW don't even want their kids to leave their homes and go to college out of fear of corruption. They prefer working simple wage jobs. Which keeps JWs amongst the poorest of all Christian denominations.

R109.. it's called a analogy...

R110.. first off we ALL judge including you.. secondly, just because I don't personally know millions doesn't mean that there aren't millions of people in the situation that I posted! I never saw or met a dinosaur but I know they existed... Perhaps you're right that everyone is "messed up" to some degree, but i'm pretty sure 99.9% of us aren't the public face of a evil abusive cult and who knows what is going on, turns a blind eye to it, while at the same time, said cult, i mean "religion" is documented at kissing our ass 24/7 for over 3 decades now! And who bans anyone, anywhere, anytime from even asking him about the questions and demanded answers that should have been done years and years ago ESPECIALLY FROM SOMEONE WHO IS ONLY WHO HE IS AND HAS ALL HE HAS BECAUSE OF US THE PUBLIC! oh yeah, and who also had abandoned his youngest daughter for 9 years and counting... Yeah, i'm pretty sure most of us are NOT that "extreme"...

I think he used Scientology in his own way to provide discipline and focus for his career. He’s not very bright and by his own admission severely dyslexic.

His success, at least from where he sits, probably he as made him more loyal to the cult. As I said, I don’t think he’s very bright. Very ambitious but not bright enough to understand what he got himself into.

Just a guess- who knows?

r130 Yep. In his early interviews, he across as sweet but dimwitted person. You could tell he wasn't all there in the head. His attachment to Scientology is no different than any other lonely, undereducated person who gets into religion or New Age stuff. He was raised Catholic and was going to seminary school prior to acting. That is dogmatic indoctrination and he just switched to another religion. He is born follower type.

Agree that $cientology traps the simple-minded. They convince people they can make them successful and that you must tell them all your secrets and pay large amounts to go “clear” to have even greater success. For a celebrity, they start offering them human slaves that will take care of their every need. It’s creepy.

R`132 Do tell us more about the human slaves. Are they attractive, will they do sex work? Can someone join the cult for the express purpose of being a sex slave to the celebrity of their choice?

Scientology even has buildings in New York. I saw one church in Harlem. They definitely trying to appeal to the poor and downtrodden. Scientology and post-1977 Nation of Islam now share a common theology and have ties.

This covers the service provided for celebrities

I found this interesting. Scientology's control in LA goes back far as they had programs in public schools!

[quote] Beahm attended Innovative Program School, an alternative school within University High School in Los Angeles, which Beahm dubbed "Interplanetary School". The IPS program combined elements of est large group awareness training and Scientology.[12] Beahm did not take the IPS program seriously.[15] As students in the IPS program were given the liberty to form their own classes, Beahm and fellow student Georg Ruthenberg, better known as Pat Smear, created a class for themselves called Fruit Eating, in which they would go to a market, eat fruit for an hour, then return to school.[16]

Darby was gay. I wonder if his parents put him into that school to "cure" him.

But, Cruise was a superstar before ever heard of scientology!. He was doing fine without them! And any confidence or self esteem from the cult, he would have naturally got with the continued success and just maturing... he joined scientology at 25, not 15....

and being catholic is NO WAY NO HOW a comparison to scientology either...and yes, once again, dimwitted cruise at 25 and since then should have known this... How is it that he was/is so dimwitted but could navigate hollywood so easily and quickly?....

DId the cult change his morality,integrity, decency, honor and empathy too?

[quote]It really is ridiculous at this point. Cruise is old enough that he could have adult grandchildren but he's still acting like it's the early 90s and he's this hot 30ish stud saving the world in his action movies. Completely stupid.

Holy cow! I've never seen the Mission Impossible movies. What does he look like now up on a giant screen? Do they use CGI to clean up his face?

Did Mimi Rodgers get Tom into the church? I am sure as soon as they found out he was a gay hustler in NYC, they sunk their claws into him.

Except he was not a gay hustler in NYC, only on DL.

I don't think he was a hustler either but he more than likely had sex for roles and had sugar daddies. Just like Brad Pitt, Keanu Reeves, James Dean and etc. There's a big difference between being a kept boy and being out on streets waiting for cars to pick you up.

R119 you must be young because r104 is RIGHT it helped destroy the black community.

The War on Drugs destroyed the Black community too by mass incarceration and overpolicing. So many black men being arrested for minor things to feed the private prison system and extract free labor. This led many black homes without a breadwinner. Men make more money than women especially black in the 80s and 90s. So the artificial rise of single black mothers increased poverty and dysfunction. Reagan's policies in general destroyed the middle class. It was total class warfare.

There used to be a building devoted to them in Dupont Circle. Not sure if it was a temple or used just for recruitment purposes. I went with a coworker one time and this blonde haired neo-nazi looking man kept following us around. I went out of sheer curiosity about scientology. We were both freaked out by him and left. No idea if it's still there.

[quote]What Caused Tom Cruise To Go Off The Deep End?

OP, Tammy is a stupid, stupid man, and the right kind of pride-stroking attention still makes him hard.

I really do think he's autistic. The way he phrases his words with extreme caution and difficulty with eye contact. Like many autistic adults, he just learned to mimic the appropriate responses but it never comes as authentic just over-the-top mimicry. He simply reacts rather than behave organically. His ambition to acting and over devotion to his religion can be a result of being single-minded. Granted, it easily could just be the result of his terrible childhood as well. So much comorbidity and blurred lines with mental disorders. Being good-looking and athletic can help reduce the perception of being social awkwardness because people innately perceive good-looking people as superior. A lot of actors, musicians, writers and athletes are on the spectrum, high-functioning of course. The popular image of autism is that severely mentally disabled fat kid with a helmet but it's really a spectrum and many other mental disorders have autistic-like traits like ADHD, bipolar, histrionic, narcissism and borderline.

R146..... he definitely at the very least has mental issues never addressed and made worse ON PURPOSE by scientology...

even the "dyslexia story" he can't keep straight as it changes over the years....

He wanted to be a priest. That's really drinking the catholic kool aid and a world away from being a cafeteria catholic

R148... him being a priest was a passing fancy as they say.. he went to a seminary school for the education and because it was cheap and what his mother could afford and even that was only for a short time...he either quit or was kicked out, as the truth is blurry in this matter...

The infamous batshit Australian 60 Minutes interview. What a freak!