The great Vivien Leigh made so few films that it's to her immense credit that she consistently shows up on the list of the best actresses of all time. Even if she'd only played Scarlett and Blanche her reputation would be secure. She's said to have been offered everything imaginable after her global success in Gone With the Wind but preferred the stage and being with Laurence Olivier. But which other films do you wish she'd starred in?
Which role do you wish Vivien ?Leigh had played
by Anonymous | reply 160 | January 9, 2022 5:59 AM |
Gaslight and Anastasia. Ingrid Bergman was brilliant in both of these films but I would have LOVED to see Vivien's take on both of these films.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | December 1, 2021 3:24 AM |
Vivien was actually cast in Suddenly, Last Summer and even had wardrobe fittings, but dropped out to star in a play instead. She'd have been magnificent and more believable as Sebastian's cock bait.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | December 1, 2021 3:27 AM |
She would have been too old for Forever Amber. And Joan of Arc.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | December 1, 2021 3:30 AM |
The Snake Pit certainly would be an intriguing film with Vivien Leigh, given her own experiences. I suspect she might've been better than Hepburn (who's terrific, just slightly miscast) in Suddenly, Last Summer.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | December 1, 2021 3:34 AM |
Madame Bovary
by Anonymous | reply 5 | December 1, 2021 3:38 AM |
I would’ve loved to watch her in a film noir.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | December 1, 2021 3:41 AM |
Edith Bunker
by Anonymous | reply 7 | December 1, 2021 3:46 AM |
Viv much too old for Catherine in SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER and much too young for Mrs. Venable. Would have been great for either at some other age (well, she didn't live long enough to fit the Mrs. V. role).
by Anonymous | reply 8 | December 1, 2021 3:47 AM |
R8, she was 46 at the time Suddenly, Last Summer was filmed, which is entirely an age to have a predatory gay son. She'd actually signed the contract to play Violet but begged out of it at the last minute so Hepburn was cast.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | December 1, 2021 3:50 AM |
Casted.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | December 1, 2021 3:53 AM |
R3, I think she could have played Joan of Arc. She was only a couple of years older than Ingrid and she played 15-year-old Antigone in London in the late '40s.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | December 1, 2021 3:55 AM |
Ingrid wasn't believable as Joan of Arc, either. She was supposed to be a teen, not thirty
by Anonymous | reply 12 | December 1, 2021 4:08 AM |
I read that one of the roles she was offered after GWTW was the one eventually played by Mary Astor in The Great Lie. Imagine Leigh squaring off against Bette Davis in 1941.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | December 1, 2021 4:21 AM |
She could have starred in Laura or Leave Her to Heaven and been sizzling.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | December 1, 2021 4:48 AM |
I can see Vivien as Eliza in Pygmalion. She did a Cockney accent in St. Martin's Lane, which isn't entirely convincing but she'd have been spectacular and gorgeous as the posh Eliza.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | December 1, 2021 5:02 AM |
Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte
Lady in a Cage
Die! Die! My Darling!
by Anonymous | reply 16 | December 1, 2021 5:06 AM |
Trog.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | December 1, 2021 5:07 AM |
R16 and R17, no. Leigh is one of the few (Hepburn is another), who avoided the hagsploitation films.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | December 1, 2021 5:09 AM |
Any role as long as it was in a romantic comedy. Imagine her with Cary Grant?
by Anonymous | reply 19 | December 1, 2021 5:40 AM |
Leigh was said to be very witty in real life and wonderful in stage comedies so it's a shame she didn't star in any comedic films.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | December 1, 2021 5:43 AM |
Laurence Olivier really is the worst. We missed out on so many potential good films/performances from Vivien.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | December 1, 2021 5:45 AM |
I like Leigh in GWTW, and have seen most of her other stuff, but somehow don’t really want to see her in more. She’s kind of dispassionate after WATERLOO BRIDGE.
I would have preferred seeing her on stage - like in the MACBETH she did.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | December 1, 2021 5:50 AM |
Casteded.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | December 1, 2021 5:50 AM |
R22, have you seen That Hamilton Woman? It's one of the most romantic performances of all time.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | December 1, 2021 5:53 AM |
R24 She was also wonderful in Anna Karenina.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | December 1, 2021 5:55 AM |
Waterloo Bridge was her 1940's peak, IMO - she was breathtakingly beautiful.
I wish she worked more, but still, thank God we got her Blanche Dubois.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | December 1, 2021 5:55 AM |
[quote] Laurence Olivier really is the worst
What is that supposed to mean? What unthinking dummy-spit is this?
Olivier was a Colossus who stood astride over three decades of British life. He was Promethean in his energy.
He was a stage and film actor and director as well as a former Hollywood matinee idol. He sang. He was an ambassador for Shakespeare and an ambassador for British culture in general. He was a patriot. The British monarch knighted him as Sir Laurence and then bestowed upon him the title of Lord Olivier.
He was an actor who refused to be stereotyped and relished exploring character and types from all places.
He refused to be rendered out-of-date by the so-called ‘angry young men’. He embraced their ideas and appeared in plays by Osborne, Pinter and Ionesco. He refused to accept the limitations imposed upon him by the ‘bean-counters’ in management of the National Theatre. He accepted their demands for democratic casting and encouraged young performers like Finney and Smith etc.
He refused to bow down to the decrepitude of age and fought hard against it. But was eventually brought down by illness and the necessity of upkeep for an ill-chosen third wife and their progeny.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | December 1, 2021 5:58 AM |
[quote]r24 have you seen That Hamilton Woman? It's one of the most romantic performances of all time.
Yes. I saw it in a revival house on the big screen. I don’t remember it making much of an impression on me, though of course she’s beautiful. I recall the framing device of seeing Old Emma at the beginning and the end seemed kind of cheaply done.
I do love Waterloo Bridge.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | December 1, 2021 5:58 AM |
Gaslight would definitely be interesting, especially if the location had been moved to the South. It would have provided a bridge between unconquerable Scarlett and defeated Blanche.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | December 1, 2021 7:03 PM |
Hedy Lamar turned down GASLIGHT. Which is too bad, as she made few good movies.
I think it was the book [italic]Girls on Film[/italic] that stated “Leigh looked like Hedy Lamar by way of Cheltenham Ladies' College.”
by Anonymous | reply 30 | December 1, 2021 9:23 PM |
[quote] Leigh looked like Hedy Lamar
No, Vivien was a star first. Hedy came second.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | December 1, 2021 9:25 PM |
There are articles in vintage movie magazine and columns in newspapers of the period commenting on the resemblance between Leigh, Lamar and Joan Bennett and wondering which one would have the longest career. There were still people who thought Leigh might be a flash in the pan.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | December 1, 2021 9:35 PM |
[quote] Jean Simmons
Had a squat, box-shaped jawline like a Vietnamese.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | December 1, 2021 9:43 PM |
E.T.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | December 1, 2021 9:44 PM |
R33 No, Vivien was a star first. Hedy came second.
No. Lamarr was an international sensation in ECSTASY in 1933. And she was in a hit Hollywood film, ALGIERS, in 1938.
Leigh did some respectable supporting roles before GWTW, but it’s not like anyone was talking about her much outside the U.K.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | December 2, 2021 1:12 AM |
The second Mrs De Winter!
by Anonymous | reply 38 | December 2, 2021 1:16 AM |
Norma Desmond.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | December 2, 2021 1:20 AM |
Margo Channing.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | December 2, 2021 1:21 AM |
Maria von Trapp.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | December 2, 2021 1:21 AM |
Shirley Partridge.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | December 2, 2021 1:22 AM |
Well, she thought she was perfect for it, anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | December 2, 2021 1:22 AM |
She only showed interest in the role after Olivier was signed for the film, though.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | December 2, 2021 1:23 AM |
Hedy Lamar was stunning. And smart.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | December 2, 2021 1:25 AM |
Belle Rosen.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | December 2, 2021 1:28 AM |
I think Viv would have added some gravitas to Gaslight. Bergman was a wide-eyed, whispery retard (a role she played over and over until the 1950s).
by Anonymous | reply 47 | December 2, 2021 1:30 AM |
Catherine in Wuthering Heights with Olivier. The studio could have waited until GWTW was done.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | December 2, 2021 1:39 AM |
[quote] Olivier was a Colossus who stood astride over three decades of British life. He was Promethean in his energy.
MARY!
by Anonymous | reply 49 | December 2, 2021 1:49 AM |
[quote]R48 Catherine in Wuthering Heights with Olivier. The studio could have waited until GWTW was done.
They didn’t want her. She was offered the supporting role of Isabella, and turned up her nose at it.
She looked too much like Merle Oberon to give much of a contrast, anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | December 2, 2021 1:54 AM |
I don't think she looks anything like Oberon.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | December 2, 2021 1:57 AM |
Helen Lawson.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | December 2, 2021 1:57 AM |
Trog.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | December 2, 2021 1:57 AM |
Hop Sing.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | December 2, 2021 1:58 AM |
Maude.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | December 2, 2021 1:58 AM |
Well, you’re mentally retarded.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | December 2, 2021 2:05 AM |
I'm surprised there's so little traction here for Pride and Prejudice (I voted for it!). I'd much rather have seen Viv as Elizabeth Bennet to Olivier's Darcy instead of that galumphing Greer Garson. And it's actually a great film, one that would only have been improved with Vivien,
by Anonymous | reply 57 | December 2, 2021 2:09 AM |
It’s not that Leigh looks identical to Oberon, but in general it’s not like she looks vastly different, either. Usually you try to vary the looks of the two main actresses in a film (unless they’re playing siblings.)
by Anonymous | reply 58 | December 2, 2021 2:13 AM |
Many of the films she was offered post-GWTW were never made. They were films that would have been tailored to Leigh's specific talents and there was no one else at the time who was that beautiful and could show such a range of emotions. She had signed a seven-year contract with David O. Selznick yet never made another film for him. She was very much like Scarlett. She did as she pleased with little to no consequence.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | December 2, 2021 3:52 AM |
[quote] She did as she pleased
She was a British citizen and her country was being bombed.
British citizens lolling around in the sun in LaLa Land were seen as unpatriotic cowards. She had a duty to help the war effort at home.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | December 2, 2021 3:59 AM |
Right. By doing 1 play.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | December 2, 2021 4:02 AM |
R60, not quite. Churchill encouraged Leigh and Olivier to stay in the States and make propaganda. Other ex-pats stayed in Hollywood, such as Garson and Colman. Leigh could have become, unquestionably, our very greatest screen actress, which NYT's bitch Crowther dubbed her, but she preferred the stage to the constant waiting for the director to call action and standing under the oppressively hot lights required for film. It's our loss.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | December 2, 2021 4:06 AM |
Binkie Beaumont believed that Leigh’s most important job was bringing joy to people through acting, so he invited her to join the Old Vic Spring Party, organised by the Entertainments National Service Association.. Along with Beatrice Lillie, Dorothy Dickson, Nicholas Phipps, Kay Young and Leslie Henson, Leigh spent the summer of 1943 traversing the North African desert, performing for British and American troops.
Although Rommel’s Afrika Corps had been defeated by the time the Spring Party arrived, the tour was not without its share of exhaustion and danger. Leigh wrote home to Olivier often, at one point mentioning that their stage manager had been left behind in Algeria on suspicion of spying for the Nazis. 'Nothing seems to matter though,' she wrote in one letter from Tunis, 'because we are now really playing to the boys who deserve it & haven’t seen anything except fighting for months.'
by Anonymous | reply 63 | December 2, 2021 4:19 AM |
R63, you bring up a point that I've never quite understood. While in Hollywood, Leigh refused to be separated from Olivier after their reunion at the end of 1939. She wanted to work alongside him and wouldn't be parted, yet once back in England they were separated for a long time while she was in Africa and he was doing whatever he did during WW2. I wish they'd stayed in Hollywood and made more movies. She was at her peak and we lost her to the war.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | December 2, 2021 4:24 AM |
This movie is full of Lord Nelson making speeches of how we need to defend our homeland from the vile invader.
Napoleon's invasion of England in the 1800s presaged Hitler invading England in 1940. Hitler and Göring ordered that London be bombed and destroyed.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | December 2, 2021 4:31 AM |
R60, she never made another film for Selznick, who even sued her. Her seven year contract was still in effect after the war ended but she refused to make a Hollywood film until 1950 when she and Olivier both came back to film Streetcar and Carrie and were treated like visiting royalty.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | December 2, 2021 4:36 AM |
Madame Arcati
by Anonymous | reply 68 | December 2, 2021 4:51 AM |
I'd like to have seen her in Black Narcissus.
George Cukor wanted to direct her in an adaptation of Far from the Madding Crowd, which would have offered her an ideal role.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | December 5, 2021 5:15 AM |
[quote] Far from the Madding Crowd… an ideal role.
Yes, perhaps.
Vivien is best when she's wearing elaborate period costumes. And she's at her best when she presented by homosexual men (as co-stars, writers or photographers)
by Anonymous | reply 70 | December 5, 2021 5:42 AM |
R67 It's a VERY small, cheap looking movie. It's a melodrama about him being accused of a crime, their 21 desperate days of happiness waiting fr the trial and then a completely unrealistic happy denouement.
They play cheap characters and they're photographed in foggy London and the highlight of the film is that they take a paddle-boat tour along the River Thames under Tower Bridge to a sad-looking amusement park (which is still there) at Southend on the Thames Estuary.
As I said, above at R70, Vivien looks tiny and ordinary without the glamorous costumes and grooming provided by gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | December 5, 2021 5:52 AM |
As two of her best known and acclaimed roles were as Southerners I would’ve loved to have seen her in adaptations of Kate Chopin or Flannery O’Connor stories.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | December 5, 2021 6:09 AM |
R18
Unfortunatly she didn´t avoid the unflattering unbecoming wigs she wore in Streetcar,Roman and Ship.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | December 5, 2021 6:19 AM |
Really, I’d have liked to see her let loose a little in “Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte,” as she got increasingly staid.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | December 5, 2021 6:19 AM |
R74 she would’ve been the perfect replacement for Crawford in Hush, Hush the press release would’ve said on one screen Jezebel and Scarlett, now decaying like the Old South!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | December 5, 2021 6:24 AM |
[quote] she didn´t avoid the unflattering unbecoming wigs she wore in Streetcar,Roman…
Is it a wig? I assume her thin hair had a lot of lacquer and was set under a drier.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | December 5, 2021 8:28 PM |
R76, she wore a blonde-grey wig in Roman Spring. She looked more beautiful with her dark brown hair.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | December 5, 2021 9:15 PM |
R77 Poor Vivien was turning grey in 1961.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | December 5, 2021 9:18 PM |
Outright Wiggery!
Some actresses like them because you don’t have to sit through the time it takes to style them. Others find in harder to hear through them. Or just hot.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | December 5, 2021 9:50 PM |
The tragedy was that 'Karenina' was filmed in monochrome!
The Cecil Beaton costumes are all wasted in black and white.
Olivier mentioned that 'Hamlet' was also in monochrome because of some spat with the Technicolor company. But anyway it was a terrific waste!
by Anonymous | reply 80 | December 9, 2021 9:15 PM |
Polyester
by Anonymous | reply 81 | December 9, 2021 9:22 PM |
Precious
by Anonymous | reply 82 | December 9, 2021 10:15 PM |
Vivian was offered the title role in “My Cousin Rachel” but insisted it be filmed in Britain since she did not want to leave Olivier to spend months in Hollywood. DL fave Olivia de Havilland got the role. I think Vivian would have brought a disturbing sensuality and more seductiveness than de Havilland. I also think she might have had an affair with leading man Richard Burton rather than Peter Finch.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | December 9, 2021 11:21 PM |
[quote] Imagine Leigh squaring off against Bette Davis in 1941.
No, R13, I can't imagine Vivien 'squaring' with Bette.
Vivien never shared the stage with a rival. Nor should she!
by Anonymous | reply 84 | December 10, 2021 9:16 PM |
I think Ms. Leigh played and owned such memorable roles during her career -I am not thinking we have missed out . She was superb.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | December 11, 2021 12:00 AM |
[quote]OP: Pygmalian
Oh, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | December 11, 2021 2:43 AM |
R85, Leigh made only eight films after becoming the hottest thing in pictures when GWTW was released. She shortchanged us.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | December 18, 2021 6:22 AM |
R87 I didn't realise it was so few! Pity, she was brilliant.
She could have been great as Martha in "Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?"
by Anonymous | reply 88 | December 18, 2021 8:51 AM |
R88, Leigh was offered the role of Martha in the Paris stage production of WAOVW, but turned it down. She was fluent in many languages. Edward Albee was evidently a fan and offered her his play Tiny Alice, which she also declined. She finally accepted a role in the West End production of A Delicate Balance, but died while it was in rehearsals.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | December 18, 2021 2:28 PM |
"Anastasia" is what I voted for because I can picture her in the role really well. Just what she was able to do with her eyes and how she was able to play tragedy and insanity so very well. If Vivien Leigh had played "Anastasia" she would have lent just quite the tragic character trajectory to it in a way that few could, it would have been Shakespearean with a soft/loud dynamic befitting Nirvana or the Pixies.
Jessica Lange, of all people, reminds me of Vivien Leigh acting wise. Not looks wise in any way at all, just acting wise.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | December 18, 2021 3:07 PM |
R90, Jessica Lange hosted the Biography documentary on Vivien Leigh in 1990, so perhaps you weren't the only one who recognized similar acting styles. Lange would go on to do A Streetcar Name Desire on Broadway, but apart from that, I never would've associated the two.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | December 18, 2021 5:21 PM |
Mad Max
by Anonymous | reply 92 | December 18, 2021 5:36 PM |
Vivien Leigh was much more beautiful and memorable than Jessica Lane.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | December 18, 2021 6:22 PM |
R93, "Jessica Lane."
Oh, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | December 18, 2021 6:45 PM |
Storm in the X-Men franchise!
by Anonymous | reply 95 | December 18, 2021 7:06 PM |
Helen Mirren remade The Roman Spring Of Mrs Stone, getting her tits and pussy out like Viv never would!
by Anonymous | reply 96 | December 18, 2021 7:14 PM |
Samantha Jones in the sex and the city movies
by Anonymous | reply 97 | December 18, 2021 7:18 PM |
I find it incomprehensible that she didn't get Oscar nominations for Waterloo Bridge and That Hamilton Woman. Her reviews were stellar. NYT's persnickety Bosley Crowther called her the finest screen actress and she was better than any other actress nominated in 1941 and '42. She showed incredible range. I guess Academy voters thought she's garnered too much too soon.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | December 24, 2021 6:53 PM |
[quote] NYT's persnickety Bosley Crowther
He was paid to be 'persnickety'.
'That Hamilton Woman' had FABULOUS costuming but it was studio-bound, black and white and looked comparatively cheap.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | December 24, 2021 8:03 PM |
If only her treatments for her manic-depression kept her alive a little longer, and she and Larry remained friends, she would have been spectacular as Mary in "Long Day's Journey Into Night," Larry's last great role as Tyrone before health issues killed his stage career. Imagine them together once more.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | December 24, 2021 8:32 PM |
One needs to separate those roles where Vivien pretended to be American and those roles where she speaks with her natural voice.
Most of the Americans I speak to say her natural voice (used in 'Waterloo Bridge') was thin, twee and slightly annoying.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | December 24, 2021 8:43 PM |
^
The movie 'Caesar and Cleopatra' didn't know if it was a genuine spectacle or a Shavian English comedy.
Shaw's comedies are incomprehensible to non-English 20th century people and aren't funny at all..
by Anonymous | reply 102 | December 24, 2021 8:50 PM |
They are incomprehensible to American 20th-21st Century Americans as well. Except for Pygmalion and Major Barbara.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | December 24, 2021 9:36 PM |
R101 That movie isn't easy to watch but it has an amazing collection of future stars carrying spears —
Roger Moore, Kay Kendall, Jean Simmons, Sally Ann Howes, Cathleen Nesbitt, Michael Rennie, Leo Genn, Mrs Robert Donat, Michael Cacoyannis, Kathleen Harrison.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | December 25, 2021 4:57 AM |
Regarding Vivien’s hair: she almost always wore wigs because her own natural hair had a lot of texture and was hard to style/manage. She used to have it straightened.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | December 25, 2021 5:13 AM |
She might have been interesting as one of the nuns in “black narcissus” slowly unraveling
by Anonymous | reply 106 | December 25, 2021 6:28 AM |
[quote] as one of the nuns
Vivien could never play "one-of" characters or supporting roles. Vivien was the star.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | December 25, 2021 9:55 PM |
Alice in Strindberg's "Dance of Death," and since WAOVW draws its inspiration from that play, Martha.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | December 25, 2021 11:04 PM |
Vivien made only 19 movies in her entire career, and in four of those she was basically a glorified extra with a line or two, and only eight after she played Scarlett. In comparison, Bette Davis was in 90 films.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | December 26, 2021 9:27 PM |
^ 90 films, 85 of which were embarrassingly OTT. Davis was an utter brat without Wyler.
Whereas Vivien had her limitations (as noted by R70) but when she was good, she was very good.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | December 26, 2021 9:30 PM |
I know it's cliche to say this, but I really do think Vivien's unique, ethereal beauty did hamper her career. She couldn't star in a film like The Heiress and be believable as an unloved spinster. I know that Selznick tried to develop films for her that would have been driven by her physical appeal, but she always turned them down to stay in England with Olivier and appear on the stage.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | December 30, 2021 1:33 AM |
😆 r30. Hedy was such a lousy actress, no way would she have been able to play that role.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | December 30, 2021 1:43 AM |
[quote] when she was good, she was very good
I think Larry wrote that in his memoir … along with the rejoinder 'but when she was bad, she was horrid!',
by Anonymous | reply 113 | December 30, 2021 1:57 AM |
^ He was gorgeous.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | December 30, 2021 2:10 AM |
R27, I think the comment about Olivier being the worst was not at all about his performances but about Leigh’s. I infer the suggestion is that he somehow influenced her and diverted her from more movies.I don’t know enough of their history to know if that’s true. But she seemed to have many issues of her own without any assistance.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | December 30, 2021 2:26 AM |
She was immensely talented, but basically a self-centered homewrecker. Also, she should have never become a mother.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | December 30, 2021 5:57 PM |
Imagine Leigh as Lara in Dr. Zhivago if it had been written/produced 20 years earlier. As wonderful as Julie Christie was, Leigh had the sort of epic beauty and carriage that drove men to do things they wouldn't under ordinary conditions. Obviously, she did this in real life, as well.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | January 2, 2022 10:22 PM |
^ Yes, Vivien could have been stunning in that role.
We know Vivien played Scarlet and was raped by her husband.
Vivien played Karenina and committed adultery with Vronsky.
Lara was raped by Komarovsky but I've forgotten if she was married or not. Doctor Zhivgago committed adultery in order to commit fornication with Lara.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | January 2, 2022 10:34 PM |
[quote] Leigh had the sort of epic beauty and carriage
Exactly! And she knew how to wear period costumes.
I wish David Lean devoted his craftsmanship on Vivien instead of that milksop Ann Todd. It would have been fireworks. And James Mason was originally meant to play Komarovsky!
by Anonymous | reply 119 | January 2, 2022 10:42 PM |
I really wish I could have seen her play Anne Boleyn. Apparently she did once in a sort of Shakespeare in the Park kind of thing, but I'm thinking more a movie built around Anne Boleyn, conveying the attraction but also the madness at the heart of it all. I think she would have been lovely and entrancing and just a little nuts in the role, and I would have liked to see that.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | January 2, 2022 10:59 PM |
There's never been anyone quite like Leigh to come along since. Elizabeth Taylor might have been as beautiful, but she didn't have that on-screen vulnerability and fragility. Audrey Hepburn came close, but she was more gamine. Imagine Leigh in Anne of the Thousand Days or Reds or Far from the Madding Crowd. Imagine her in an erotic drama. She'd have burnt up the screen. One of her friends described her as a "whirling dervish" in the bedroom.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | January 2, 2022 11:08 PM |
I think it's a shame that whoever owns the rights to The Deep Blue Sea hasn't remastered it or made it available. I've only found a poor copy made on VHS from an OTR broadcast. It's not a great film--and far too many Anna Karenina echos--but as one of her only post Streetcar films, it's a shame to lose it to corporate negligence.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | January 2, 2022 11:22 PM |
Once recovered from her nervous breakdown,, Vivien wanted to finish working on "Elephant Walk" but Laurence Olivier talked her out of it.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | January 2, 2022 11:24 PM |
I agree, R122, the only version available is now is blurred and ugly.
It also starred that elegant, intelligent (but perhaps repressed) Emlyn Williams who also seems to be thinking of something witty.
But I thought Kenneth More was fat in the face and not worth Vivien committing suicide over.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | January 2, 2022 11:25 PM |
The Deep Blue Sea was Vivien's worst choice. She had her pick of films for years and she chose this for which she was physically unsuited?
by Anonymous | reply 125 | January 3, 2022 12:10 AM |
Dr. Lecter
by Anonymous | reply 126 | January 3, 2022 12:11 AM |
[quote] Imagine Leigh in Anne of the Thousand Days or Reds or Far from the Madding Crowd.
First of all: MARY!
Second of all: She would have been far too old for either role.
Both Anne Boleyn and Bathsheba Everdene are both supposed to be in their twenties or early 30s when those films take place: Boleyn was played by the 27-year-old Genevieve Bujold, and Everdene by the 27-year-old Julie Christie. Leigh would have been 53 when Far from the Madding Crowd came out in October 1967 (she died in July of that year), and she would have been 55 when Anne of a Thousand Days came out in 1969.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | January 3, 2022 12:18 AM |
She would have been 64 when Reds came out in 1981. Maybe she could have played Emma Goldman.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | January 3, 2022 12:20 AM |
Wait, scratch that: she would have been 68 when Reds came out in 1981.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | January 3, 2022 12:21 AM |
Helen Lawson in "Valley of the Dolls." What a swan song that would have been.
Vivien Leigh never baby-doll simpered the way Jessica Lange did early in her career. Repeatedly.
Elizabeth Taylor couldn't act, ever. Two Oscars for that. She could pose, glare, laugh like a trucker and gain and lose weight, but she couldn't act.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | January 3, 2022 12:52 AM |
R130, = the Helen Lawson troll who doesn't understand film so he makes every comment about Valley of the Dolls, which was the last time he saw a film in a theater.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | January 3, 2022 2:13 AM |
I think the 'Helen Lawson' at R130 makes some pertinent points about Liz Taylor.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | January 3, 2022 2:17 AM |
R121 perhaps not as beautiful but I think Emily Lloyd in the film “wish you were here” came close to capturing a sort of interesting presence like Leigh’s.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | January 3, 2022 3:50 AM |
^ I've never heard of that person … and after having a quick look at Google… I can say they have none of the late Vivien's physical allure.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | January 3, 2022 3:54 AM |
Catwoman!
not joking here, she could make the DC comic movie interesting!
by Anonymous | reply 135 | January 3, 2022 4:01 AM |
For all her talent Vivien was hard to cast. Her beauty was partly to blame— with a face like that it’s hard to see her outside of historical or fantastical contexts— but she also had a strange unsympathetic quality, I think. You can see this manifest itself early, even before she was cast as Scarlett. She reminds me of a fairy— not the innocent Victorian kind, but the steely amoral creature of Celtic myth, possessed of a compelling beauty and not to be trusted.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | January 3, 2022 4:51 AM |
^ Yes I agree. She was 'fantastical' and I think doomed.
Karenina, Blanche, Hester (in 'Deep Blue Sea') and all those later heroines seem doomed to suicide.
And spending Britain's biggest film budget on an unfilmable and unfunny comedy was financial suicide.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | January 3, 2022 5:09 AM |
Margaret White in Carrie (if she had lived long enough)
by Anonymous | reply 138 | January 3, 2022 5:11 AM |
R137, Caesar and Cleopatra is really unwatchable. I tried, but Vivien is not very good in it, and she looks pale and unwell (she suffered a miscarriage and a mental breakdown during the film’s production).
by Anonymous | reply 139 | January 3, 2022 5:21 AM |
Mrs. Patty Poole, on "The Hogan Family".
by Anonymous | reply 140 | January 3, 2022 5:25 AM |
[quote] perhaps not as beautiful but I think Emily Lloyd in the film “wish you were here” came close to capturing a sort of interesting presence like Leigh’s.
She *was* wonderful in that. Though perhaps too funny to be quite like Leigh.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | January 3, 2022 5:28 AM |
There’s only one Amber St Clare, and that’s me, baby, remember? Now get outta my way: I got a publisher waiting for me!
by Anonymous | reply 142 | January 3, 2022 5:36 AM |
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Vivien Leigh's Broadway musical, "Tovarich." Talk about a change of pace. Here she is doing a number from it on the Ed Sullivan show, along with her homosexualist co-star.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | January 3, 2022 5:40 AM |
We haven't mentioned it, R143, because it didn't fit our homosexual notion of a sex-mad, self-destructive drama queen.
Scarlet is the queen we wanted to be. Blanche is the queen to which we have succumbed.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | January 3, 2022 8:19 PM |
[quote] George Cukor wanted to direct her in an adaptation of Far from the Madding Crowd, which would have offered her an ideal role.
It would have been ideal, R69, in that Cukor knew how to bring out the best in Vivien and she would have worn some very picturesque crinolines.
But I recently re-watched the 1967 version with Julie Christie as Bathsheba Everdene .
She had John Schlesinger directing her, three very eligible leading men and a $3 million budget from MGM who had just got $111 million for Dr Zhivago but I thought her and the film rather dreary.
I’ve heard some people claim that Bathsheba Everdene was a proto-feminist but I feel she was passive and muddled. She got her wealth through luck rather than hard work and she completely messes up her relations with those three very eligible men.
Perhaps the scriptwriter wanted to paint her as a typical 19th century woman who was unused to power. But, as I say, I thought the film was dreary as the sheep and ineloquent country bumpkins who fill this story.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | January 4, 2022 1:42 AM |
Viv would have been a better Madame Bovary than Jennifer Jones.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | January 5, 2022 12:15 PM |
It's too bad she and Olivier didn't film School for Scandal. She must have made a perfect Lady Teazel.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | January 6, 2022 5:08 AM |
If she'd lived, she'd have been brilliant as Eleanor in The Lion in Winter. She was certainly more dazzling than Hepburn. I've read that Hepburn was one director Anthony Harvey's two choices for the character when the film was being developed. I always assumed that Leigh was the other.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | January 7, 2022 3:17 AM |
Babs Johnson
by Anonymous | reply 150 | January 7, 2022 3:21 AM |
She could have played Natasha in War and Peace.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | January 7, 2022 5:15 AM |
Alexandra del largo in sweet bird of youth.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | January 7, 2022 5:50 AM |
Rather than "Far from the Madding Crowd", I think Vivien would have been more suited to Eustacia Vye in Hardy's "Return of the Native".
Before Vivien died she toured in the stage play "The Lady of the Camellias" and I wish that had been filmed in the 1940's with Leigh has Marguerite Gautier - she could have rivalled Garbo.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | January 9, 2022 1:56 AM |
[quote] If only her treatments for her manic-depression kept her alive a little longer
It wasn't the manic-depression that killed her, it was the tuberculosis. When it last recurred, her doctors pleaded with her to go to hospital, which would've meant weeks or even months of treatment. She adamantly refused, because she was terrified of any prospect of institutionalization. So she insisted on staying home under a doctor's care instead. Unfortunately, on her last night, her lungs filled with fluids, she awoke, probably coughing and unable to breathe, and collapsed and died right after getting out of bed (presumably to get a glass of water to help with the coughing). Jack Merivale had just checked on her about fifteen minutes previously and she was sleeping at that time.
Personally, I'd have liked to see her play the role of Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate. But one of the several reasons for Vivien's abbreviated film career was that after her collapse while filming Elephant Walk, she became a huge insurance risk. Not many producers were willing to take the chance on her, even if she wanted to do their film. And they only knew about her manic-depression, not her TB as well. At least with theatre, if/when she became ill, her understudy could step in.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | January 9, 2022 2:17 AM |
[quote] she became a huge insurance risk
There's someone here who insists Vivien went to Rome in Lazio for the exterior shots of one of her later films.
I don't believe them. I don't say she was an insurance risk but I do say they used back projection in the London studio.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | January 9, 2022 2:54 AM |
Vivien was not right for The Graduate and was a few years too senior. She would have been magnificent as Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, except for Elizabeth Taylor's stunt casting.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | January 9, 2022 2:57 AM |
[quote] Elizabeth Taylor's stunt casting.
The grey smudges on her face were ludicrous.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | January 9, 2022 3:00 AM |
Speaking of ludicrous- The V&A museum of art, design and performance snatched Vivians unflattering Steetcar wig at auction for 7,500 GBP (10.191USD).
The iconic wig Miss Taylor wore in classic film Cleopatra has fetched USD 16,000 at an auction.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | January 9, 2022 5:28 AM |
[quote] Vivians
Vivien's
by Anonymous | reply 159 | January 9, 2022 5:35 AM |
R159
Frankly My Dear, I Don't Give a Damn .
´till i am properly "Oh deared."
by Anonymous | reply 160 | January 9, 2022 5:59 AM |