WHET "In The Heights"

The woke-mob came after him for cultural appropriation. Rofl.

They basically ate one of their own.

It was released too early before Oscar season and did not do well enough at the box office for people to remember it.

It's just a musical 2-hour version of the Crown royal commercial.

Could it be worse than Miranda's Tick, Tick . . .Bomb?

Poor Lin-Manuel?? His Tick...Tick...Boom! will likely scare many Oscar nods. It's fantastic.

It was never going to be a big film. The West coast Latinos didn't even know it existed.

I still love “Breathe”, though. The first time I ever heard it was a trio of middle school girls singing it and it was just lovely.

Tick, Tick, Boom has taken it's place in the Oscar conversation. Ramos could still get a nomination, but nothing for the movie or rest of the cast is warranted.

Also, it was shit.

The over-the-top hosannas from theater actors for musical films based on Broadway shows here in NY is insane.

No matter the quality everyone who has ever done the show races to see the film opening weekend and alerts the universe that "It was AMAZING!!" Everything is always AMAZING....and when you as a disinterested outsider see it you say, "This sucks!".

Oscar nods all around!

It went straight down the shitter!

I started watching Tick...Tick...Boom, but then realized it was about that dreadful Rent, and switched it off.

Come sit by me, Lin. I feel your pain.

We’ll huff some Mac and cheese and drown our sorrows

I liked it well enough, but this was never going to be a hit. It’s just…ugly. Washington Heights is ugly. It’s dark and dank and this movie lacked the kind of vision needed to transcend the dark and dank surroundings of Washington Heights.

And Anthony Ramos is short and Corey Hawkins is ugly. When he took off his shirt during the pool scene I thought “didn’t this man know he was shooting a shirtless scene in a movie that would be seen around the world?”

THESE are your two male leads? DOA.

[quote] WHET "In The Heights"

It fell off.

That Ramos guy makes my skin fucking crawl. I loathe him with the heat of ten billion galaxies.

I think the director Jon M. Chu made a major mistake when he decided to shoot it music video style. That and the almost total absence of Afro-Latinos in Washington Heights.

The lead should have had explicit gay sex scenes.

Tick Tick Boom I tried to watch it turned off about a third of the way through

As an outsider who usually doesn't see musical - and is not eager to see musicals - the only negative I can think of is that non of the songs are memorable enough and that I couldn't hum along. I don't care if the real Washington Heights is a dump or if Afro-Latinos should have been in the movie. It's a musical for chrissake! Musicals are tough sells outside a smallish community. If the songs aren't catchy, I'm not into the musical. Oh... and the movie was too long. Way too long.

However, the movie wasn't bad. Look and direction were fine in my opinion. The two leads were far from ugly. I actually liked both of the two mentioned above a lot. The story was worth telling.

The movie was overhyped though, so people were disappointed when they couldn't agree to the hype. When people hear the buzz word 'musical from Broadway' they always seem to think that se are going to see a high-class cultural monument. Don't know where that reputation is coming from.

As an eldergay who detests rap, I thought I'd hate the stage version of "In the Heights," but I loved it. I saw it twice, and it was even wonderful in a small community theater production. But the movie was just a slog. Too long, and just not as joyous and uplifting as the stage version. Changing a major plot point was a big mistake, I think.

Definitely too long. I thought it was just so so.

I'm so glad Hamilton was shot on stage at its peak and didn't have to go through such awful moviefication. Let someone in 2050 remake it.

"poor Lin Manuel"? I mean it was already a hit musical so I don't really feel that bad for him...

[quote]Tick, Tick, Boom has taken it's place in the Oscar conversation.

TTBoom is one of the biggest flops ever on Netflix. It has a 88% rating on RT, while In the Heights has a 94% rating with twice as many reviews. The idea that TTB should get nominated over ITH is absurd.

There were Afro Latinos in the movie. The twitter mob was just pissed because it wasn’t only Afro Latinos.

The Jonathan Larsen movie is terrible. Who wants to see a movie about a white straight Jew capitalizing on gay and poc misery?

Hi Sarah Schulman/r28!

I want to see it. And I don't see it as a Jew capitalizing. And I don't care if a white straight man writes about gays and people of color. What kind of bizarre society do I live in where people can only write about themselves. Urgh...

Also Larson was a plagiarist. Fuck Lin Manuel for making that shitty movie about an even more shitty person.

[quote] movie about a white straight Jew capitalizing

I guess this particular statement couldn't be farther from the truth in this particular case. If there was a ranking of least benefitting of his own work Larson and Rent would take the prize.

R32, only because he died. His family sure has profited and they no doubt are profiting from this shitty Lin Manuel movie.

Larson was a plagiarist.

R5 Many Oscar nods? In what categories?

HBO is free to view through the 28th and they are showing In the Heights all weekend. If you want to watch it, now's your chance.

Ramos was in the new season of In Treatment. His idea of acting is to say something really loudly but there's a scene where he strips naked and slowly walks into a pool. Very hot body.

I had no idea that Anthony Ramos had such a hot body.

In the Heights is actually a fun movie.

But white people don’t want to see movies about Latinos

People who've been to Washington Heights what is it like? Many hot men there?

[quote]When people hear the buzz word 'musical from Broadway' they always seem to think that se are going to see a high-class cultural monument. Don't know where that reputation is coming from.

I would say it's the Sondheim effect.

r38 in general at this point in time white people are afraid of losing their spot as the gold standard for everything. They are used to all the world being about them.

All the inclusion talk means someone has to give up a spot and since white people have monopolized every spot in everything (I understand they have also been the content creators) they are the ones we can afford to see less of.

I see it in the Theatre Gossip threads, any mention of a Black performer replacing a white actor gets some vicious response.

R34, Andrew Garfield is all but guaranteed an Oscar nomination for best actor. He's terrific in the film. Robin De Jesus also has a strong shot at a supporting actor nod. Since there will be 10 best picture nominees this year, it's entirely possible it will receive a nomination in this category as well. Nominations for best sound, editing, and cinematography are also strong possibilities.

I loved that the rabid wokesters came after the Patron Saint of non-traditional casting to hound Miranda for not having a darker cast and the idiot fell for it and apologized and groveled, rather than saying, "I hired the best person for each role, so suck it!"

[quote] Andrew Garfield is all but guaranteed an Oscar nomination for best actor.

More likely for the Golden Globes, since there's a separate musical/comedy category.

R44, check all the reliable pundits' predictions. Garfield is ranked just under Will Smith on most of their lists.

This was on HBO a couple of weeks ago. I watched for less than ten minutes before I lost interest and switched to 30+ year old reruns of "Married With Children" on Logo.

R46, you should definitely stick with what you know best, which is trashy white people.

R38 and Latinos apparently don't want to see movies about stereotyped Latinos

I really hated RENT, so is there any chance at all I will enjoy "Tick, Tick...Boom"?

His 15 minutes was up 5 years ago

Different people have different tastes, R42. But you wouldn't know that because you are an insufferable asshole.

[quote]The woke-mob came after him for cultural appropriation. Rofl. They basically ate one of their own.

Yes, that did have a lot to do with the movie's disappointing reception. Those woke idiots -- whose objection to the movie was literally that some of the characters' skin wasn't dark enough -- did it no favors at the box-office and in terms of streaming. But two other big issues were that (1) a lot of people were still not focused on watching movies in a theater OR via streaming, because they were still dealing with fallout from the pandemic, and (2) the movie is about 20 minutes too long, and I think that really hurt its performance as well

R51, I see nothing remotely "insufferable" in R42's post. Your contribution, on the other hand....

My apologies to R42. My post @R51 was intended for R47.

Happy now, R53?

Yes, thanks.

[Quote] Latinos apparently don't want to see movies about stereotyped Latinos

You obviously haven’t seen the movie. The Latinos aren’t stereotyped characters AT ALL

Anthony Ramos was charming. And he's a cutie.

"Can't Stop The Mambo"

I got bored with Tic Tic Boom- it’s sort of a one note music parade with one setting: exuberance. It reminded me of Evita, the movie- no pacing in a rather one note story where you know its denouement.

R56 the characters are all familiar types and not just Latino types. Typical movie assortment. Who was an original in your opinion?

It was the lack of hot male nudity that did it in.

Not just that, r52. A movie glazed over a major story in the play where the character Benny, a black American and the only non-Spanish speaking character, was involved with his boss, Kevin Rosario's daughter Nina. In the play, there were tensions caused by the father's refusal to accept the interracial relationship. Glossed over in the movie.

[quote]I got bored with Tic Tic Boom- it’s sort of a one note music parade with one setting: exuberance.

Same here. I tried to watch it this afternoon after reading this thread, but turned it off after 20 minutes. It's terrible and the music is obnoxious. Andrew Garfield makes Billy Porter look subtle.

R63, welcome to the VAST minority with your opinion of the movie. I hope you like it there.

Lin Manuel Miranda got pushed too hard and too soon on the American public, and the movie looked like a woke lecture to mainstream audiences.

This idea that people were too emotionally distracted by the pandemic to watch a movie on streaming is idiotic.

R64, Lin-Manuel Miranda had been a known quantity to the American public for several years before the movie of IN THE HEIGHTS was released. And as for my other comment, what I meant was it seems to me that there were few big hits among movie, TV shows, or songs during the worst months of the pandemic, and only now is that starting to become a possibility again, for example with Adele's new album.

Movie Budget: $55 million

Box Office Sales (as of now): $44 million

Hollywood doesn't like money losers.

R66, Tiger King was one of the biggest hits in Netflix history during the height of quarantine. I’m sorry but you’re never going to convince me that people weren’t tuning into TV shows and streaming movies at an increased level when everyone was stuck at home.

People had all the opportunities of price and convenience to check out this movie and they still didn’t.

Wow R67, those stats are terrible!!!

That wasn't just a flop.

It was a fucking disaster.

^ Especially after Ramos was being promoted as the next big leading man.

R69, you realize there was a pandemic going on, right?

Latin/Hispanic are the most boring people on earth. It's all food, sex, babies and dancing. Movie choices would be action and dumb comedy. Do they ever pick up a book after 9th grade?

There was a pandemic when our movie came out too, R71.

[quote]Everything is always AMAZING....and when you as a disinterested outsider see it you say, "This sucks!".

My experience of "insiders" is that to them everything is either AMAZING or JUST AWFUL - POOR [WHOEVER THEY KNOW IN IT].

Whereas in truth, almost everything is in the middle. It's OK. You don't want to leave but you don't want to see it again.

Ramos will never again be the lead in a project

R26 you made me laugh! Only a mouth breather would give a fuck about rt. Critics have no impact on box office anymore but sure -Rotten tomatoes.

I loved it. Hoghky recommend. And the dickhead up thread talking about woke mob. Shut the fuck up. I am tired of people using this term as an insult. Refrain from using woke on all your terminology please. Right people who

Highly* People who use woke are usually right wingers pretending to be libertines.

r77 Not the first time right-wingers have hijacked black slang to use as an insult. Woke is now used even in the UK by bigots like Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan.

This thread has some confusing opinions, especially coming from a gay message board where we all are most likely are familiar with theatrical productions of ITH.

I saw the musical off-Broadway and it was scrappy, fun and full of life. The move to Broadway gave it a “glow up,” as the kids would say, and it’s glossier sheen risked making it feel hollow and empty, but the show really thrived on the electric energy and charisma of its young cast.

Lin was, of course, still an unknown and was very charming in the role. Karen Olivio was a ball of fire and Many Gonzalez was sweet with a soaring voice. Robin de Jesus and Andrea Burns were hilarious, Olga Merediz brought the house down and only Priscilla Lopez was given such a clunker of a song that she couldn’t rise above it and yet, her presence alone gave the production class and a bit of credibility. (The ensemble and choreography were fantastic.)

The show falls apart in act two where nothing happens and the tunes grow scarce. Still, it was a fun night at the theater and the OBCR captures the cast’s magic well.

(How ITH ever beat Passing Strange for musical, score and other awards is a mystery to me. Passing Strange is a masterpiece- Daniel Breaker gave one of the great musical performances of the 2000s- and I’m sure many viewers think of this theatrical injustice when approaching the film.)

The film is bad because it did not know how to capture that energy and exuberance from the stage show and translate it to the screen. The MTV-style filming of the numbers was disastrous. Can anyone honestly saw that any of the movie actors matched or eclipsed their stage counterparts? Viewers approach the movie with Karen, Mandy and Andrea’s vocal performances and cast recording inflections in their ears. How can you not leave disappointed.

The movie flopped because it could not live up to our expectations and memories of the Broadway show, plain and simple.

[quote]The movie flopped because it could not live up to our expectations and memories of the Broadway show, plain and simple.

I dunno, R80. I never saw the show and I couldn't make it all the way through the movie on Netflix. I accept I'm older than its key demographic: on the other hand, I really enjoyed the rappy political sections of Hamilton but got very bored with the power ballads in the second half. Maybe with ITH you need to be in the room with the energy.

I know people are tempted to wonder if Hamilton was a fluke, but he did very well with the music for Moana. You can't deny Miranda's talent.

No, he's definitely talented. He's just still a bit inconsistent within a work. There's time to develop more. A strong book writer would probably be a help.

Can we all finally admit that Hamilton wasn't really particularly good. The emperor has no clothes.

[Quote] Lin Manuel Miranda got pushed too hard and too soon on the American public, and the movie looked like a woke lecture to mainstream audiences.

Does work just mean it shows brown people?

r84 It will be a long time before the world of theater experiences anything approaching the cultural impact of Hamilton, you can't deny that. He did something that hadn't been tried in genre before and worked.

Hamilton's success was partly due to the perfect original cast which has proven tricky to replicate in other productions, especially international ones like British and Australian versions where they don't have a tradition of hiphop/r&b music. The original cast was rooted in real hip-hop and R&B music. Daveed Diggs is a legit rapper. Renée Elise Goldberry sang R&B before getting into theater. And Leslie Odom Jr looks to be that unique talent who landed the role that seems to have been meant for him. No other actor has done that role justice.

But no taking away from Lin-Manuel Miranda's masterful book and the luck of being championed by a popular president and first lady.

First 8 minutes. Not bad.

R86, yet Hamilton is a hit in both London and Australia

Several reasons it flopped but the primary ones were it was way too long (like, about an hour too long) and the culture depicted (latinos in Washington Heights) is considered loud, crass, obnoxious and vulgar by the general public.

[quote]The movie flopped because it could not live up to our expectations and memories of the Broadway show, plain and simple.

The movie may have disappointed SOME people (like you) you felt it didn't live up to the quality of the stage show, but I should think it would be obvious that this is NOT the reason why it flopped in terms of B.O. and viewership, seeing as how the people who even saw any production of the stage show are a small percentage of the number of viewers necessary to make a movie into a hit.

I agree that the movie was too long, and somehow, the rewrites of the last section made it seem considerably longer than the stage show. (Also, maybe, the lack of an intermission.) I still loved the movie of ITH overall, and whatever it's flaws, one very positive aspect of it IMHO was that the cast does NOT include Karen Olivo. And the same can be said of the film version of tick, tick...BOOM!

Nobody needs to watch this steaming pile to know it sucks donkey dick.

what does WHET mean?

R92=newbie.

In the Heights flopped because it’s a musical about Latinos in NYC. Musicals are a hard sell generally. We’re in a pandemic so no one is taking their kids to the theater. No one outside of NYC cares about Latinos in NYC

[quote] Daveed Diggs is a legit rapper

Now he's a Snowpiercer.

Oh, and Lin Manuel Miranda is the Ryan Murphy of Broadway.

And that's NOT a good thing.

[quote]How ITH ever beat Passing Strange for musical, score and other awards is a mystery to me. Passing Strange is a masterpiece- Daniel Breaker gave one of the great musical performances of the 2000s- and I’m sure many viewers think of this theatrical injustice when approaching the film.

I think the general consensus at the time was that Lin-Manuel Miranda was able to use his famously exuberant personality to charm enough voters on the awards party circuit that season, thus securing the wins for ITH over Passing Strange, even though many (most?) agreed that Passing Strange was the better show. Stew, unfortunately, was not known to have the kind of personality needed for such events and thus wound up with only a best book award as a consolation prize.

But I totally agree, R80, that Passing Strange should have won over ITH.

I loved Passing Strange but no way theatre owners from around America would vote for that as Best Musical. It’s not a great touring show

It flopped because Broadway doesn’t go for booze and dope!

Or the boys, R98.

[quote]What does WHET mean?

It's a silly misstatement of the abbreviation of "what ever happened to" that some people keep perpetuating because they mistakenly think it's funny.

[quote]In the Heights flopped because it’s a musical about Latinos in NYC.

Oh horseshit. "In the Heights" flopped because the music sucks. It's different in a theater. Live performances can elevate a weak song, not on screen. There is not one stand out song and many all sound alike. There wasn't one song I wanted to hear again. I even got the soundtrack from the library to add to my digital collection because I didn't want to pay for it and I have the soundtracks to every musical I have ever seen whether I liked it or not and I will probably never listen to it.

[quote]The over-the-top hosannas from theater actors for musical films based on Broadway shows here in NY is insane.

Fuck you, R10!

[Quote] What does WHET mean?

What the Hell Ever Happened To

[Quote] Oh horseshit. "In the Heights" flopped because the music sucks.

Sure, whatever

[quote]No one outside of NYC cares about Latinos in NYC

We did when Bernstein and Sondheim told us about them.

Andrew Garfield in one of the most emotional performances of the year, gives a full-hearted turn in Tick...Tick...Boom!

[quote]The Jonathan Larsen movie is terrible. Who wants to see a movie about a white straight Jew capitalizing on gay and poc misery?

So, damned if he does, huh?

You can't shriek and condemn people for few and crappy roles for Black and Latino actors then roll your eyes dismissing them when they don't fit your racial agenda. This is why nobody wants to work with you. Plus, this was written in the 90s. Get a pomo grip on your nasty, woke self!

Andrew Garfield and Robin de Jesus absolutely deserve the Academy Award this year.

Larson....GAY!! Closet case GAY, fighting being GAY...He was a closet case Faggot!! Because a blood clot killed the CCG, his family controls his legacy (and all DAT rent money). Like the Rethugs& the crazy orange fat man, they are doing "Revisionist History" on Larson's life (gay friendly but not GAY-no HOMO SEX).