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Sex & The City - Our Battles With Kim Cattrall

Kim Cattrall became a headache for the network to deal with.

Cattrall, now 65, was reportedly after more money and the network was set against it, reluctant to put her on equal footing with Parker, who came to the series as a B-list actress and had an executive producer credit.

Sex and the City producer John Melfi summed it up as a “generational” difference between Cattrall and Parker, pointing to a quote that Cattrall had given to the press that essentially called her co-stars just colleagues, saying there was no further need to socialize with them outside of work.

Former HBO chairman and CEO Chris Albrecht, “What happened was it became Mean Girls and whatever Kim did or didn’t do, the result was she was ostracized,” Albrecht is quoted as saying. “I’m not saying it wasn’t justified, but it gets tricky when you have an actor who is also a producer. As an executive producer, SJ should have figured out how to not let that happen. But as an actress, she ended up letting it happen.”

“I became the de facto executive in charge of Kim, although I had a lot of help from [HBO executive Carolyn Strauss] and a couple times even from [HBO executive Jeff Bewkes],” he added. “We were all really good at managing it and keeping it under wraps for a long time.”

Albrecht said it made sense that Parker was the highest paid on the show—after all, she was the star—but it was Cattrall “who everybody was talking about, because Samantha was the most outrageous character.”

“Whether there was jealousy toward Kim about that, or Kim wasn’t handling it well, depends on who you listen to,” he said.

“Then Kim wanted more, and I think she got more than the other girls. Kim’s popularity gave us reason to think that there might be a couple of different levels of payment, and we discussed a producing deal with her... There are plenty of ways to show people you value the relationship and their services. It doesn’t always have to be direct compensation for a specific role.”

Bewkes offered an anecdote about how Cattrall once turned up to his office with her then-husband Mark Levinson in tow, armed with a long list of complaints. “She starts telling an impassioned tale of inconsiderate treatment,” Bewkes recalled.

“There was chapter and verse of other indignities, including she’s not getting paid what she was promised, or maybe what Sarah Jessica was getting, something about money.”

Ranking high on Cattrall’s list of grievances to Bewkes was that she had to film a nude scene with an actual New York City fireman, rather than an actor who was playing a fireman. Her complaint most likely was about Season 3’s premiere episode “When There’s Smoke,” where Samantha is seen eyeing a nude fireman.

Bewkes promised to look into her complaints, which seemed to appease Cattrall, and she left his office with her husband. He then called up HBO executive Mike Lombardo to relay what just happened.

“I got Lombardo on the phone, told him the whole thing including how worked up she was about the naked fireman, and did he know this was a problem for her,” Bewkes said in the book. “Mike says, ‘Well, it was her idea, the nude scene, having a real fireman, and it was a great scene for her, by the way, a big hit. And you’re telling me the husband was sitting there? Of course he didn’t like it, because the fireman was buff.’”

“So she came in to make a show in front of her husband that she didn’t like the nude scene with the fireman? The whole thing was a performance,” Bewkes recalled asking Lombardo. “She’s an actor, she wanted the husband to see that, but mainly it’s about the money.”

by Anonymousreply 516December 14, 2021 9:43 AM

[quote]Parker, who came to the series as a B-list actress

and who is rebooting the series as an aging C-list actress

by Anonymousreply 1November 25, 2021 11:37 PM

OP=CUNT Andy

by Anonymousreply 2November 25, 2021 11:45 PM

Source for this? It's interesting.

by Anonymousreply 3November 25, 2021 11:51 PM

R1 Hi Kim!

by Anonymousreply 4November 25, 2021 11:56 PM

I think it’s interesting that literally every person EXCEPT Cattrall showed up for the reboot. It would seem she’s the one whose the problem.

by Anonymousreply 5November 25, 2021 11:59 PM

Seabiscuit is frantic for attention. Stretch Armstrong is frantic for money and work. Rojette Caliente has to pay for that champagne socialism somehow.

I'm not sure there's a lot of 'hey, kids, let's put on show' involved here.

by Anonymousreply 6November 26, 2021 12:02 AM

I think Catrall is right. It is an ensemble show and it is weird that the actor playing the least popular character gets the most pay and power.

by Anonymousreply 7November 26, 2021 12:02 AM

[quote] I think Catrall is right. It is an ensemble show and it is weird that the actor playing the least popular character gets the most pay and power.

Sex and the City is NOT like "Friends" on NBC

It was a star vehicle for Sarah Jessica Parker - and the other three were supporting players.

by Anonymousreply 8November 26, 2021 12:04 AM

This is all so tiresome. She's tiresome and attention thirsty, the franchise is embarrassingly trite, and they all look old and uninteresting to me. I guess there must still be money in this franchise, but the last movie (saw it on a plane) was absolute dogshit. Go away, all of you. Old slags.

by Anonymousreply 9November 26, 2021 12:09 AM

[quote] It would seem she’s the one whose the problem.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 10November 26, 2021 12:16 AM

R8, right. Like people watched Big Bang for Galaki.

Something may be planned as one kind of show and becomes another.

No one watched Sex and the City for Parker.

by Anonymousreply 11November 26, 2021 12:17 AM

R11 Hi Kim!

by Anonymousreply 12November 26, 2021 12:22 AM

[quote]It was a star vehicle for Sarah Jessica Parker - and the other three were supporting players.

Oh sure, it always STARTS under that premise....

by Anonymousreply 13November 26, 2021 12:23 AM

Cattrall was the Fonzie, but SJP is no Ron Howard, and Nixon and Davis aren't even Tom Bosley and Marion Ross -- that's how low the bar is here. Bosley and Ross lost their top billing (not to mention screen time, which is an issue NIxon and Davis don't have to worry about) to Henry Winkler and he probably drew five times the salary that they did, and Winkler started out as a bit player. Were their egos hurt? Probably. But everybody put the show first and kept the money train going, and the show lasted for ten years.

Even bonkers Meredith Baxter was able to figure out a way to deal with this situation, and she's 100% loon. Marla Gibbs couldn't deal with it, and it hurt her show. Designing Women dealt poorly with the situation all around (though it was an ensemble) and it hurt the show. Linda Lavin couldn't deal with it, and it hurt the show. Even the FOL girls had to deal with Nancy McKeon holding out to make more money than them and get a billing boost, but they kept chill and the show ended up being NBC's longest running show of the '80s -- money train alert! Family Matters embraced the problem and there were bitter feelings, but that money train kept chugging along for nine seasons.

by Anonymousreply 14November 26, 2021 12:24 AM

The network and producers were fully behind SJP - making her an Executive Producer. Even if Cattrall was 1000% times more popular than SJP with the TV public - there is no way the network and producers would cede any ground to Cattrall

In the network & producers minds, SJP was the star of the show and were will to go to mat for SJP. If it was a choice between SJP & Cattrall - the network and producers would choose SJP - no matter how popular Cattrall was

That is what Cattrall was up against, no matter what she did.

by Anonymousreply 15November 26, 2021 12:34 AM

R14 Exactly, what I was about to say. When you have a breakout character like that, you have to embrace it. S&TC became the Samantha show, she was the character everyone wanted to watch, she was the one people talked about with their friends, she was the character that allowed straight men to watch the show with their wives and girlfriends. Because she was basically a female version of a horny man. She was what made that show. Without her, it wouldn't have been a hit. People might watch the new one, at first, out of nostalgia. But, I have a feeling that after an episode or two, without Samantha, they will tune out.

by Anonymousreply 16November 26, 2021 12:39 AM

[quote] Source for this?

It's from James Andrew Miller’s book Tinderbox: HBO’s Ruthless Pursuit of New Frontiers.

by Anonymousreply 17November 26, 2021 12:52 AM

All this because HBO and SJP wouldn't cough up a few extra (well deserved) dollars to KC....

by Anonymousreply 18November 26, 2021 12:57 AM

She shouldn't have brought her husband into a work meeting. Geez.

by Anonymousreply 19November 26, 2021 12:58 AM

Speaking on the Origins podcast, Sex And The City executive producer Michael Patrick King confirmed Sarah Jessica was paid more than her co-stars, in line with her status as the show's star

'The show doesn't exist if Sarah Jessica wasn't the blonde star of the show, that's number one,' he said. 'Kim was not at the height of her career, Kristin was under her in terms of notability, Cynthia was a theater actress and their contracts reflected that status.'

But while Cynthia Nixon who played Miranda and Kristin Davis who played Charlotte were fine with this distinction, Kim, who had a movie career before joining the cast, never got over it.

As the show progressed, the characters, everybody grew, it became a family,' King said. 'Kristin, Cynthia, and Sarah Jessica became one group, and Kim never joined mentally. Kristin and Cynthia went in the light, they became those two ladies, they understood it was Sarah Jessica's name, look at the posters.'

And even when given pay rises, Kim was unhappy with her salary - because she knew Sarah Jessica got more.

'I guess for Kim it didn't matter how much the raise became if there was never parity, but there was never going to be parity.'

by Anonymousreply 20November 26, 2021 1:06 AM

SJP had a career, but she wasn't a huge star. The only memorable role I remember her in before S&TC is Hocus Pocus, which is also getting a new version. She mainly appeared in disposable formulaic rom-coms.

by Anonymousreply 21November 26, 2021 1:10 AM

R5 "literally"

Oh, dear

by Anonymousreply 22November 26, 2021 1:11 AM

SJP was also the female lead in the Johnny Depp film "Ed Wood"

by Anonymousreply 23November 26, 2021 1:13 AM

So some low-rent Yahoo writer dug all this old info up to get attention, I guess?

This is stupid.

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by Anonymousreply 24November 26, 2021 1:14 AM

SJP wasn't the female lead in ED WOOD, both of the biggest female characters in the movie had small supporting parts, not leads.

by Anonymousreply 25November 26, 2021 1:15 AM

[quote] SJP wasn't the female lead in ED WOOD, both of the biggest female characters in the movie had small supporting parts, not leads.

If she has top female billing, she is the female lead

by Anonymousreply 26November 26, 2021 1:16 AM

And in any event, the real female lead was Depp in an angora sweater.

by Anonymousreply 27November 26, 2021 1:18 AM

Kim Cattrall is the Suzanne Somers of her generation!

by Anonymousreply 28November 26, 2021 1:18 AM

Billing and credit isn't based on merit or screen time, it's based on what your agent does to get you the best billing possible.

Arquette's role was just as big as Parker's. ED WOOD was a true ensemble cast.

by Anonymousreply 29November 26, 2021 1:19 AM

Parker's role in Ed Wood was bigger in the original script but was cut down because her performance was found wanting.

by Anonymousreply 30November 26, 2021 1:28 AM

SJP was Janie in "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." She got to dance with the sexy, hairy chested Lee Montgomery, who sadly didn't age well.

Kim got to dance with Andrew McCarthy in Mannequin. Snore!

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by Anonymousreply 31November 26, 2021 1:28 AM

She had some heat after Honeymoon in Vegas.

by Anonymousreply 32November 26, 2021 1:29 AM

I don't personally know a single gay guy who watched SATC because of anyone other than Kim Cattrall!

by Anonymousreply 33November 26, 2021 1:31 AM

R33 I don't know ANYONE who watched because of anyone other than Kim Cattrall!

by Anonymousreply 34November 26, 2021 1:33 AM

Gay guy here. Samantha was my least favorite character. I liked her at first, and she had her moments, but her constant innuendos grew tiresome over the course of the series. Her lesbian period, and the whole squirting thing was unpleasant.

She wasn't the reason I watched the show, and while I wish that she would appear on the revival, it isn't the end of the world that she isn't appearing.

by Anonymousreply 35November 26, 2021 1:41 AM

R35 "Gay guy here"

We never would have guessed.

by Anonymousreply 36November 26, 2021 1:42 AM

I watched the show for Cynthia Nixon.

by Anonymousreply 37November 26, 2021 1:43 AM

SJP has been remarkably forgettable in a number of otherwise memorable movies.

by Anonymousreply 38November 26, 2021 1:44 AM

I watched the show for Charlotte.

by Anonymousreply 39November 26, 2021 1:45 AM

[quote] SJP has been remarkably forgettable in a number of otherwise memorable movies.

what about "The Family Stone"

by Anonymousreply 40November 26, 2021 1:49 AM

I agree Carrie was the anchor of the show, making Seabiscuit the star. Not to say the character was anything likeable by the end of the series, but she started out as the centre and it stayed that way and the show was a success because of that structure. Samantha was great - in metered doses. She was like Karen and Jack. Samantha as the center would have burned out fast. The other three were pretty limited characters. So was Carrie, but she was just everyman enough the other second bananas could orbit around her. Charlotte was too feeble and pretentious, Miranda too sour and shrill, Samantha too unreal and broad, to be anything but secondary.

Don't kill me - I am not trying to make the case for SJP. But before Carrie became something she wasn't, she was everyman and the structure of the show flowed from there.

by Anonymousreply 41November 26, 2021 1:50 AM

Not I agree, meant I argue....

by Anonymousreply 42November 26, 2021 1:51 AM

SJP is the woman every dumb frau aspires to be. That's why you have all these dumb women coming to NYC, to pretend they are living the "SATC" experience as Carrie Bradshaw.

by Anonymousreply 43November 26, 2021 1:52 AM

I'm kind of drunk tonight and for some reason R41's post made me laugh out loud. I mean, WTF??

by Anonymousreply 44November 26, 2021 1:54 AM

R39 I know a woman who grew up with Kristin Davis and she didn't even watch for Charlotte.

by Anonymousreply 45November 26, 2021 1:55 AM

The basic premise of the show was Carrie. Samantha was her slutty side. Miranda was her practical side. Charlotte was her UES prissy side. SATC was basically "Herman's Head" in a Manhattan. It was all supposed to revolve around Carrie. The problem is, Samantha was the breakout character and should have been treated and compensated as such. She should have gotten a producer credit and some extra perks, as you normally see with other breakout characters. And none of those things would have taken away from Carrie being the center of the show.

by Anonymousreply 46November 26, 2021 1:56 AM

Poor SJP = So desperate to vilify Kim---and just in time for her new crapfest tv show. SJP played the chick in the abusive relationship and Kim was THE "sex" in the show. HBO should have given Kim a Brinks Truck full of cash to get her to join the new show.

by Anonymousreply 47November 26, 2021 1:56 AM

SJP was really good in LA Story

by Anonymousreply 48November 26, 2021 1:57 AM

None of this ever happened with any of the gravity you give it.

by Anonymousreply 49November 26, 2021 1:58 AM

[quote] She should have gotten a producer credit and some extra perks, as you normally see with other breakout characters.

if you read the article, the producers tried to bend over backwards to placate Catrall with a development deal - but they could never give Catrall what she wanted, Equal pay with SJP

by Anonymousreply 50November 26, 2021 1:59 AM

R49, FYI if you're ever stoned, watch the movie "Gravity". Fucking awesome. Sorry, I'm drunk and you said the word gravity. LOL

by Anonymousreply 51November 26, 2021 1:59 AM

Is there really going to be an ethnic woman in the reboot or just a horse of a different color?

by Anonymousreply 52November 26, 2021 2:01 AM

[quote]but they could never give Catrall what she wanted, Equal pay with SJP

And that's bullshit. There were ways to give her equal pay. It's done all the time.

by Anonymousreply 53November 26, 2021 2:02 AM

When you are the oldest from the main cast, have your top off every episode, have some awful story lines like nasty tasting spunk and still manage to outshine every one of your colleagues and become the most beloved character from the series, you'd think you would be given the same pay as the supposed ' star ' of the show.

by Anonymousreply 54November 26, 2021 2:02 AM

[quote]'The show doesn't exist if Sarah Jessica wasn't the blonde star of the show, that's number one,'

Uh, no. There would be no show if it wasn't for Candace Bushnell, who created these characters. THAT'S number one.

The problem is that SJP has completely immersed herself in this character and persona. So much so that she goes around acting like this was all her concept and doing. When Bushnell agreed to a series based upon The Carrie Diaries (again HER work) SJP had the brass balls to act all offended in interviews because somebody else was playing Carrie. It's really quite bizarre and sad when you think about how much she's attached herself to this one character and persona. And I don't doubt that she's made Cattrall and the others as miserable as possible when it comes to giving herself more opportunities to act it out.

If this tanks, look for her to throw more shit at Kim.

by Anonymousreply 55November 26, 2021 2:03 AM

[quote]Kim, who had a movie career before joining the cast, never got over it.

Porky's, Police Academy, and Mannequin.

by Anonymousreply 56November 26, 2021 2:09 AM

R55 Basically she is doing what everyone on the Life With Lucy said caused Lucy to fail. SJP is tied to one persona and will keeping milking it until the teat dries up.

by Anonymousreply 57November 26, 2021 2:09 AM

Well KC getting equal pay would have been over SJP's dead horse body. KC didn't need to be a years long cunt about it. KC is a better actress than those other three. She signed up for what she got. I admire her fighting for more than she contracted. I think its fine to not be close, or fake being close, with your co-stars. Still you can kind of tell she was high maintenance DIVA and it's tiresome for everyone. If she didn't get the exact millions of SJP, KC got a HUGE career boost because her film career was meh and she wasn't very famous. You could be gracious about that and just shut the fuck up. KC comes out smelling a bit better in her behavior AFTER the series died but they dried to wring millions more out of it. I liked all her bitchy put downs effectively putting the kibosh on the insulting myth that this series was in anyway iconic or important OR that they were all one close family because in KCs mind, it was just a gig. I loved that because SJP is so fucking "put on" about her life. Its all show biz pony er I mean show biz phony.

by Anonymousreply 58November 26, 2021 2:10 AM

Looks like posters here are saying the show should have ditched SJP and make Kim Cattrall the star of the show

Make it "The Samantha Show"

by Anonymousreply 59November 26, 2021 2:12 AM

Next up, we discuss the feud between Jerry Van Dyke and the car from the TV show "My Mother The Car".

by Anonymousreply 60November 26, 2021 2:13 AM

Kim was the only interesting thing about this stupid lame shit.

by Anonymousreply 61November 26, 2021 2:14 AM

[quote]Kim Cattrall is the Suzanne Somers of her generation!

They are of the same generation.

by Anonymousreply 62November 26, 2021 2:16 AM

Can you imagine how things would have been if they had gotten their first choice, Dana Delany to play Carrie? Someone less desperate and less high-maintenence than a butter-face actress who knows that she is aging out of the hot girl roles.

SJP's bitchiness about AnnaSophia Robb playing the young Carrie says it all. (She thought it odd they got somoene else to play the teenaged Carrie gave the younger actress dark warnings about foot deformity.)

You can tell in interviews how down to earth KC is and how difficult SJP is---as much as she tries to hide it.

by Anonymousreply 63November 26, 2021 2:16 AM

My strongest pre-SATC memory of Kim Cattrall, other than the terrible Mannequin, was Julie Brown mistaking her for Theresa Russell at the premiere of Earth Girls Are Easy on Just Say Julie.

When Kim said "I'm not Theresa Russell, I'm Kim Cattrall," Julie ran away in embarrassment.

by Anonymousreply 64November 26, 2021 2:18 AM

Women want to be taken seriously in Hollywood. But then look at their antics = Kim takes her husband to discuss work with her boss (doesn't she have an agent and lawyer whose job it is to do those things?). Shondra Rhimes is notorious about screaming at network bosses on the phone--even petty things. But they want to be taken "seriously"?....I think not.

by Anonymousreply 65November 26, 2021 2:18 AM

The discussion of KC in The Devils Candy makes you really respect her.

by Anonymousreply 66November 26, 2021 2:20 AM

Yeah sure R65...because men in Hollywood have NEVER misbehaved or pulled any ridiculous antics, right? Examine your own misogyny, idiot.

by Anonymousreply 67November 26, 2021 2:21 AM

KNOW YOUR VALUE !!!!!

by Anonymousreply 68November 26, 2021 2:26 AM

[quote]r40 what about "The Family Stone"

What was that?

by Anonymousreply 69November 26, 2021 2:29 AM

The photos up at Getty, which were taken during the current re-boot, are hilarious.

SJP's outfits are downright clownish. In fact, all the actresses look ridiculous. The three remaining regulars are pictured teetering on 4 inch heels that even much younger women would look ridiculous in. Even the guest stars clothes are absurd.

In some photos, Carrie is shown slobbering over three different actors. Is her marriage to Big over?

by Anonymousreply 70November 26, 2021 2:30 AM

[quote]r56 Porky's, Police Academy, and Mannequin.

Masquerade, Bonfire of the Vanities…

by Anonymousreply 71November 26, 2021 2:31 AM

Masquerade with Kim and Rob Lowe is a fun "time capsule back to the 80s" movie.

by Anonymousreply 72November 26, 2021 2:34 AM

kim catrell was the most popular one on that stupid show. This sends that carrie over the edge. HBO regrets working iwth that carrie actress. HBO gave her ex prod rights. This is what blew up the show.

by Anonymousreply 73November 26, 2021 2:36 AM

Kim was the Jimmy Walker of the show. Sarah Jessica Parker was the Esther Rolle of the show.

by Anonymousreply 74November 26, 2021 2:39 AM

HBO does not regret SJP. One wonders why not. But thy don't. They have her a series that ran several years and watches by several people, total. And they produce a lot of her shit in general.

by Anonymousreply 75November 26, 2021 2:40 AM

she is sooo terrible, but HBO BEGGED her to come back. Sure jan.

by Anonymousreply 76November 26, 2021 2:41 AM

Why did they pay her millions for this steaming pile of shit?

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by Anonymousreply 77November 26, 2021 2:41 AM

HBO gave her a development deal and they regret it big time. Plus, her antics and behavior hurt the finances of the Sex show.

by Anonymousreply 78November 26, 2021 2:42 AM

There was a podcast series a couple years back that interviewed everyone involved in the series with the lone exception of Cattrall. There was an HBO executive who explained this in very simple terms. Even though he seemed sympathetic to Cattrall, he explained that SJP had it written in her contract from day one that she would always be the above-title star, she would always have the most lines, etc. These guarantees were a big reason why she agreed to do the show in the first place. So even if another actor became the biggest star on the planet, he or she could still never surpass SJP on this particular show—not in lines, not in money, not in billing—because her contract was written that way. And according to him, Cattrall just couldn’t seem to understand that.

by Anonymousreply 79November 26, 2021 2:43 AM

SJP is approaching her full on Sylvia Miles in Manhattan phase of life.

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by Anonymousreply 80November 26, 2021 2:44 AM

Catrall had Belmondo as a partner on the big screen. It is normal that she demanded a higher salary. In real life, a more qualified employee earns more than the less qualified one

by Anonymousreply 81November 26, 2021 2:44 AM

the issue is they wrote the carrie charater to be extremely more likable than the book. No one likes that character or the actress playing her. HBO gave her more money, development deals but they REGRET IT big time.

by Anonymousreply 82November 26, 2021 2:45 AM

I’d like to hear from Chris Noth. He was already a tv star from Law & Order and the real “sex” on the show.

by Anonymousreply 83November 26, 2021 2:45 AM

R83, Noth was very vocal on this same podcast mentioned above (called Origins with James Andrew Miller). He disliked a lot of the show and he absolutely hated the movies.

by Anonymousreply 84November 26, 2021 2:51 AM

SJP looks haggard at R77.

by Anonymousreply 85November 26, 2021 2:53 AM

It's just weird she's had the same hairstyle for like 20 years and never changes it. It just makes her look more haggard as she ages.

by Anonymousreply 86November 26, 2021 2:55 AM

Kim was the copious ("I don't remember eating") corn in the steaming turd that was "Bonfire of The Vanities." She was absolutely embarrassingly awful. Let's not pretend she had enough of a skill set to be the highest paid cast member of anything.

I did watch S&TC for Carrie, and will watch the new one too.

by Anonymousreply 87November 26, 2021 2:58 AM

If Kim was smarter should could have arranged to be paid a shitload for Samantha to return for the reboot and then killed of in the first episode.

by Anonymousreply 88November 26, 2021 3:01 AM

killed off ...

by Anonymousreply 89November 26, 2021 3:02 AM

[quote] So even if another actor became the biggest star on the planet, he or she could still never surpass SJP on this particular show—not in lines, not in money, not in billing—because her contract was written that way. And according to him, Cattrall just couldn’t seem to understand that.

Cattrall supporters on this board would say "HBO should have ripped up SJP contract" and start negotiations all over again with BOTH women,

by Anonymousreply 90November 26, 2021 3:02 AM

Kim was way ahead of SJP and the whole planet cheered for her. To claim that SJP deserved so many advantages is worthy of a 14 year old girl. Of course Cattral deserved a higher salary!!!

by Anonymousreply 91November 26, 2021 3:03 AM

R86- What's wrong with having the same hairshtile for many years. I've head the same hairshtile sinsh 1972.

by Anonymousreply 92November 26, 2021 3:03 AM

I thought SJP only became an Executive Producer as the series went on, not in the first season. Was it a power play because she saw how more popular Kim was?

by Anonymousreply 93November 26, 2021 3:06 AM

R93 the first few seasons she got the title "Executive Consultant"

I think by season four she got Executive Producer credit

by Anonymousreply 94November 26, 2021 3:07 AM

Every time they gave each other a line, SJP looked embarrassed. Cattral stayed in her role. You couldn't imagine that Kim hated the girl she was standing in front of. But you could see SJP's discomfort.

by Anonymousreply 95November 26, 2021 3:09 AM

[quote]Cattrall supporters on this board would say "HBO should have ripped up SJP contract" and start negotiations all over again with BOTH women,

That's not what I'm saying at all. It happens all the fucking time in that business. There were ways to compensate Cattrall to give her parity with SJP without it violating any deal between SJP and HBO. I can't imagine Cattrall's people demanding that the extra compensation come from SATC. It could have come from anywhere. Do you have any idea how many networks have holding deals with actors and the actors just sit around earning a paycheck for doing nothing.

by Anonymousreply 96November 26, 2021 3:10 AM

You guys have to remember SJP was a child star, working on Broadway. She is not an idiot when it comes to the business side of show business.

For her to do this show, she made plenty o demands and got everything in writing., If Kim wasn't smart enough to negotiate the same, that is on Kim

by Anonymousreply 97November 26, 2021 3:10 AM

Whats the episode talked about above with the real life fireman?

by Anonymousreply 98November 26, 2021 3:11 AM

[quote] Do you have any idea how many networks have holding deals with actors and the actors just sit around earning a paycheck for doing nothing.

and if you read the articles, HBO DID do that for Kim. But they couldn't do what she wanted. and that was EQUAL pay with SJP on an episode by episode basis.

by Anonymousreply 99November 26, 2021 3:12 AM

Sounds by the performance she gave over the firefighter scene in front of her husband, Kimmy didn't quite have the hang of negotiation strategy.

by Anonymousreply 100November 26, 2021 3:12 AM

[quote]Poor SJP = So desperate to vilify Kim---and just in time for her new crapfest tv show.

Poor R4y = So desperate to vilify SJP, She was not involved with this story at all. It involves Catrall and HBO people.

by Anonymousreply 101November 26, 2021 3:17 AM

[quote]Sex and the City producer John Melfi summed it up as a “generational” difference between Cattrall and Parker

Ohhhhh SNAP!

by Anonymousreply 102November 26, 2021 3:32 AM

[quote]“Viewers will learn that she [Samantha] is thriving in England even though she has fallen out with Carrie.”

[quote]It also appears that the show's creators are optimistic that Kim Cattrall may return for the second season of And Just Like That: “Carrie is the one who has the tough time without Samantha and by the end of And Just Like That you'll see Carrie extend the olive branch and try and rekindle the friendship."

[quote]The source continued, “We have high hopes that by the time we begin filming the second season, Kim will have joined the show and Samantha Jones can make a triumphant return to the big apple. We want Kim back. She was missed on set. We all understand why she feels the way she does. We get it. We just want her to come back for future seasons.

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by Anonymousreply 103November 26, 2021 3:32 AM

[quote]Kim was the Jimmy Walker of the show. Sarah Jessica Parker was the Esther Rolle of the show.

Neigh! Neigh! NEIGH!!!

by Anonymousreply 104November 26, 2021 3:36 AM

What kind of salaries are we talking here? Is that a huge different between KC and SJP? Or a small difference that any sane person would just move on? How much money do they need? Sounds like an ego thing.

by Anonymousreply 105November 26, 2021 3:46 AM

R65 = moron.

by Anonymousreply 106November 26, 2021 3:51 AM

some of you bitches need to chill out.

by Anonymousreply 107November 26, 2021 3:52 AM

I wonder how much of Kim Cattrall influenced Michael Patrick King while writing Valerie Cherish. Her storming into the HBO office sounds very Valerie.

by Anonymousreply 108November 26, 2021 4:04 AM

[quote] Ranking high on Cattrall’s list of grievances to Bewkes was that she had to film a nude scene with an actual New York City fireman, rather than an actor who was playing a fireman. Her complaint most likely was about Season 3’s premiere episode “When There’s Smoke,” where Samantha is seen eyeing a nude fireman

well, I am with Kim on this, that sounds ridiculous, she is an actress, where are her privacy and rights? I would even bring a lawsuit if they even dare to put a stunt like that.

by Anonymousreply 109November 26, 2021 4:06 AM

SJP's last decent role was years before in that Steve Martin movie, she got lucky to headline that show in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 110November 26, 2021 4:21 AM

L.A. Story was the movie, just hit me after I posted.

by Anonymousreply 111November 26, 2021 4:22 AM

[quote]am with Kim on this, that sounds ridiculous, she is an actress, where are her privacy and rights? I would even bring a lawsuit if they even dare to put a stunt like that.

Further along it was said that it was Cattrall's idea for a real fireman and speculated that it was her husband upset about the fireman.

by Anonymousreply 112November 26, 2021 4:27 AM

[quote] Even the FOL girls had to deal with Nancy McKeon holding out to make more money than them and get a billing boost, but they kept chill and the show ended up being NBC's longest running show of the '80s

They couldn’t get Nancy to commit to the 2001 reunion movie.

In fact, the parallels between Nancy and Kim are astounding. Each was the “serious” actress of their respective series and each had a brother who died.

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by Anonymousreply 113November 26, 2021 4:46 AM

I found the Samantha character tiresome and unrealistic, but funny. I don't know any women like her, though I do know lots of gay men like her, and she was supposed to have been modelled on a gay man.

I thought the Carrie character was great at first until the storylines changed to make her the hot girl, more beautiful and successful than the others, who got all the hot men. She made me laugh - 'I'm ready for my close-up, Mr DeMille.' She was really suited to be the DUFF - designated ugly funny friend.

by Anonymousreply 114November 26, 2021 4:48 AM

HBO should have given Kim what she needed to shut up and do the part. I’m not going to watch this shit now. Then I swear to fucking god they hire that heavy girl from Grey’s Anatomy looking like a hardcore dyke to play some kind of they/them monster. Screw this. Kim was the show and only reason to watch.

by Anonymousreply 115November 26, 2021 6:17 AM

I wonder if HBO offered Kim a Samantha spin-off whether she would have said yes. Maybe the other 3 could have made guest appearances on HER show.

by Anonymousreply 116November 26, 2021 6:24 AM

So, was Chris Noth the Potsie of SATC? I'm so confused.

by Anonymousreply 117November 26, 2021 6:54 AM

It's weird how this dead horse keeps getting kicked...and, it's not Kim Cattrall kicking the horse.

Apparently, either Sara Jessica Parker and/or the truly revolting show runner Michael Patrick King are still furious Kim didn't jump at the chance to do this idiotic new series. That, or they realize the new show is gonna bomb without Samantha in it do they're covering their tracks NOW and placing all blame on Kim Cattrall because....

Why?

I don't understand the annoyance about the fact that she refused to do this show. She made it clear she wasn't interested in doing it and...why should she if she doesn't want to? She's apparently smart enough to realize, it's rather ridiculous to keep on doing a show that was originally centered on the lives of sexy single ladies looking for men when those ladies are all now very middle aged.

I don't blame Kim Cattrall for getting pissy when being constantly harrassed about this. I'd be pissed, too.

by Anonymousreply 118November 26, 2021 7:07 AM

I think I know exactly how this stupid new show is gonna play...it's gonna be just like when Netflix did the last series of "Tales of the City" but they fucked up the timeline of the actual characters and made it contemporary and added all these annoying new, young woke characters and storylines, which were all dreadful, at the expense of the older characters and original (better) plots.

by Anonymousreply 119November 26, 2021 7:10 AM

For Kim Cattrall, it was a job. The job went on for too long and they were getting too old to keep playing the characters. Cattrall recognized this and decided to move on. End of story. She had every right to do that, and she shouldn't get any shit for it.

by Anonymousreply 120November 26, 2021 7:12 AM

Considering how bad the movies were, and the second one was very bad, KC likely did not want to be associated with this reboot which would very likely tarnish her reputation even further.

She had some truly awful storylines in that second movie, really cringe-worthy.

by Anonymousreply 121November 26, 2021 7:16 AM

HBO made a mistake greenlighting a revival. Massively out of step with the culture.

by Anonymousreply 122November 26, 2021 7:16 AM

r119 I couldn't even watch the Tales Of the City update on Netflix. I wanted to watch a show about the original characters but instead we were getting 20 year-old nonbinary Instagram influencers or whatever the fuck that was. I bailed. It was absolutely putrid.

I suspect SATC will be the same wokefest circle jerk, God knows that's probably why Sara Ramirez is in it. Updating SATC to the current social climate of 2021 is just all wrong for the series.

by Anonymousreply 123November 26, 2021 7:17 AM

R123 Same here. I watched the first episode and I think I started the second, then skipped through much of it and looked at some clips and I also bailed. And, I'm a huge fan of the books and the original miniseries (the second two are...very Canandian).

I'm pissed at Maupin for agreeing to all the shitty additions to the Netflix show and to agreeing to the hiring of some shitty female showrunner who hadn't even HEARD of Tales of the City prior to her getting the gig. But, of course she was keen to modernize it.

Seems like the exact same shit is happening here but you have two idiots like SJP and King running the show so it will really stink.

by Anonymousreply 124November 26, 2021 7:28 AM

Whatever the ins and outs of the situation was originally, Catrall has been very clear for a long time that she is over SatC. It must be very irritating to her to still be courted by the producers for so long after she has said a very firm No. There is likely to be a big break between series one and two of the reboot, so it is likely Kim will be in her late sixties when it comes out. She is very well-preserved, but maybe she doesn’t want to be playing such a sexual character at such an advanced age. Of all the cast, she is certainly the one who has shown the most commitment to stretching herself as an actress.

Catrall may or may not be difficult, but she obviously felt professionally disrespected and personally ostracised on the set of a show in which she was the standout success. If the producers (including SJP) really wanted her to feel such an emotional connection that she would always return to the role, then they should have done what was necessary to make her feel valued. Maybe SJP had a contractual right to top billing, but she could have negotiated a change to at least make the show more of an ensemble. That never happened, so Catrall feels detached treats the show quite coldly, as a successful professional gig which showered her in cash, but which she felt completely free to ignore when she had had enough. Who can blame her?

The new series will do one of two things: either it will be a massive success, SJP’s popularity will be vindicated and the trio will move on happily with out Smantha, or it will become very clear very quickly that Samantha (and Kim) were the heart of the show, and Kim will feel confirmed in her grievances.

by Anonymousreply 125November 26, 2021 7:41 AM

Or maybe it will be an embarrassing mess because the original concept is now totally outdated and a revival is not possible. The kind of freewheelin' single gal life in depicted in the original series is and was only possible for women in their 20s. If they leave settling down too late, they end up like the SatC characters, partnered with men they wouldn't have glanced at twice in their 20s. Samantha had wanted Richard, with his private plane, not a 2 something actor/waiter, however hot. Even Carrie's fantasy ending with Big...he was already 53, lost his looks, with a heart condition, and worn out from two failed marriages and a failed long term r'ship.

In their 40s and 50s, if they were lucky, their lives would be like their wild friend Lainey who married a rich guy and lived in Conn. or if unlucky, like Lexi who fell from the window or like Enid, Carrie's boss at Vogue, who ended up with the food critic played by Wallace Shawn.

by Anonymousreply 126November 26, 2021 8:00 AM

[quote]Or maybe it will be an embarrassing mess because the original concept is now totally outdated and a revival is not possible.

True. If Sex and the City debuted now it would be lambasted. The cultural climate is so much different than it was in the late 90s. I don't think the show would be a hit today.

by Anonymousreply 127November 26, 2021 8:03 AM

[quote]SJP is approaching her full on Sylvia Miles in Manhattan phase of life.

Uh oh! Get the shrimp off the buffet! That bag is HUGE and Sylvia ain't afraid to use it!

by Anonymousreply 128November 26, 2021 8:19 AM

This nonsense is all very well, but somebody just tell me none of these old ladies are gonna take their baps out for this!

Not that I will be watching, but I do want to be able to sleep at night.

by Anonymousreply 129November 26, 2021 8:21 AM

[quote]I think it’s interesting that literally every person EXCEPT Cattrall showed up for the reboot. It would seem she’s the one whose the problem.

So a person is a problem because they have enough sense to realize how ridiculous it is for a bunch of women 55+ pretending it’s still 2000 and that they’re still sexy hot things?

by Anonymousreply 130November 26, 2021 8:28 AM

It's right that Parker got more money based on how the series was conceived and how she was was granted producer status.

It's also right given the popularity of the series and her character that Catrell sought more money, and more again for that matter. She seemed to see it as "if this isn't the greatest pleasure in my life, I can at least insist on a bigger slice of the pie without leaving anyone hungry."

In time it seems she saw it less and less a pleasure. When you're unhappy with a job (particularly when it becomes not just a role but an identity that has to be addressed in every fucking interview ever), you want more to go on...and not just crumbs from the table. You start wagering at higher stakes because at that point it's just a job and one you've lost enthusiasm for; you're prepared to walk away.

Cattrall is a 65 year old from Liverpool worth $40M who does well by other roles, including smaller supporting parts in some prestigious projects Why should she make it a race on a vehicle so tired that should be sent to the glue factory except that it's a money printing machine that doesn't shine so bright or run so well except the dollars still come out the other end?

At 65 with money in the back and other projects to be found, I'd take on things I thought I might enjoy instead of signing up for x seasons of a slow dirge for a dying, attention whore horse.

by Anonymousreply 131November 26, 2021 9:08 AM

[quote]the truly revolting show runner Michael Patrick King

Wow, pretty harsh words for a complete stranger.

by Anonymousreply 132November 26, 2021 10:55 AM

[quote]sexy, hairy chested Lee Montgomery

Who?

by Anonymousreply 133November 26, 2021 12:17 PM

[quote] Cattrall is a 65 year old from Liverpool worth $40M who does well by other roles, including smaller supporting parts in some prestigious projects

Yes, the Queer as Folk reboot on Peacock will surely follow the prestige of its (US) predecessor.

by Anonymousreply 134November 26, 2021 12:35 PM

I thought it was pretty obvious by now that a certain internationally famous singer has been auditioning via Instagram for the role of Samantha for some time.....

by Anonymousreply 135November 26, 2021 12:48 PM

R108 I think it's common knowledge that Valerie Cherish was based largely on Shelley Long, who is even nuttier than KC.

by Anonymousreply 136November 26, 2021 12:58 PM

Love Kim but before SATC her claim to fame was Porkys SATC was a gift to her and she should have just embraced it and taken the high road with all of the bs going on around her. I give her alot of credit for passing on the reboot which would have been a huge payday and moving on.

by Anonymousreply 137November 26, 2021 1:06 PM

I don’t blame Kim for being ticked off. Her storylines of being lesbian and having cancer were insane and stupid. I wouldn’t have returned for the movies.

by Anonymousreply 138November 26, 2021 1:18 PM

Kim is too fat now to play Samantha.

Let the woman play grandmothers and allow her face to slide down her neck in peace!

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by Anonymousreply 139November 26, 2021 1:20 PM

[quote]It's weird how this dead horse keeps getting kicked...and, it's not Kim Cattrall kicking the horse.

I'm thinking it's the genius invention of some PR agency to generate buzz. Basically, most people watched the old show for Samantha. Now they're hoping that people will watch or sample this new show to see how they deal with the show without Samantha.

by Anonymousreply 140November 26, 2021 1:53 PM

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by Anonymousreply 141November 26, 2021 1:55 PM

Kim's best performance.

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by Anonymousreply 142November 26, 2021 1:59 PM

They all should have been paid the same. Fuck SJP’s C list cred. It’s an ensemble and SJP’s an SJCunt.

by Anonymousreply 143November 26, 2021 2:04 PM

The series was clearly conceived as a vehicle for SJP. But it involved and became much more of an ensemble. Was anyone really tuning in every week to watch the self-absorbed antics of Carrie being a shitty friend and buying shoes she couldn't afford?

by Anonymousreply 144November 26, 2021 2:07 PM

It's in the OP, illiterate R98. What time should I come over to wipe your ass for you?

by Anonymousreply 145November 26, 2021 2:08 PM

R98 S3 E1

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by Anonymousreply 146November 26, 2021 2:19 PM

R144 actually, it was conceived of as a vehicle for Dana Delaney.

It has been downplayed since, but Starr was aggressive in its pursuit of Delaney. They really thought she was vital to this show. If you were arround HBO when the show was in development you remember this, even though it was burried later.

Now we forget that she was considered to be on the brink of major stardom throughout the late 90s even though she did bad assignment after bad assignment.

by Anonymousreply 147November 26, 2021 2:30 PM

Didn't Sandra Bernhard claim on Howard Stern that she turned down the role of Miranda because of the shitty script and low pay? She and Cattrall probably could have had fun chemistry but she definitely would not have kissed SJP's ring.

by Anonymousreply 148November 26, 2021 2:34 PM

Interesting related fact: Leonard was supposed to be the "main" character on TBBT, with Shelden as a sidekick. Once Shelden blew up, Johnny Galecki accepted it, and the show ran for 12 years. Sometimes it pays to put the ego aside.

by Anonymousreply 149November 26, 2021 2:40 PM

I fear we will never, ever stop hearing about this rivalry

by Anonymousreply 150November 26, 2021 2:46 PM

SJP is not a skilled actress, which is part of the issue.

by Anonymousreply 151November 26, 2021 2:55 PM

Any photo links to the nude fireman?

by Anonymousreply 152November 26, 2021 3:00 PM

SATC is a highly entertaining series even today. Each character is enjoyable in their own way. Despite the rampant cuntery in this thread, you whores will watch the new series religiously.

Don’t blame SJP for riding this until the end. There is still a market for this show. I’m sure they’ve evolved the show hence it isn’t even going by the same name.

KC will be missed but she seems to take particular delight in thumbing her nose at this. Why? Who knows. She does seem bitter. Maybe, likely, she has a good reason. I have a feeling she can’t pull off Samantha’s good looks any longer that is playing a bigger role in her not doing the new series. Kim, despite being a lot older than the others, always looked gorgeous.

I’ll be watching to see what they do. I have a feeling it will be a solid series. They aren’t going to fuck up again like the last movie.

by Anonymousreply 153November 26, 2021 3:03 PM

R153, how does KC currently seem bitter? She said no to the remake, and said they could recast or move on. She got a new show, and moved on. Now stories come out that the SaTC reboot is going to make her absence a plot point, and create a storyline which leaves a place for her in the next season. Now all these stories about Catrall are coming from somewhere again.

She said “no” and it seems to be a hard “no”. She seems to mean it. She has moved on. The others should too.

by Anonymousreply 154November 26, 2021 3:09 PM

R153 there is no doubt the show will be a hit at first, and even get a second season. The second movie was as bad a movie as I’ve ever seen and it made tons of money. I think the shorter format will be better for sure—the writers did not seem to be able to write a long form movie—it was such a bore. The original show has aged, but it was witty and fun. I think it can still be witty and fun but they have to account for the fact that the women are middle aged and that times have changed. If it retains any of the humor and wit of the original, it will be successful. I do wonder about that—they writing quality has to be top notch. Since it’s HBO, I think it will be.

by Anonymousreply 155November 26, 2021 3:10 PM

It sounds to me, based on what has leaked, they're turning these women into people they never would have become.

by Anonymousreply 156November 26, 2021 3:14 PM

Here's my question - how on earth did Kristen Davis land a role? She is a truly painfully bad actress.

by Anonymousreply 157November 26, 2021 3:19 PM

I don't think the comparisons to Fonzie or Urkel are apt. Those two were the breakout characters of their shows and then became the main characters. Samantha was popular, but she never got any more screen time than Miranda or Charlotte; Carrie was always the main character. While I get Cattrall's annoyance at feeling like she wasn't being properly compensated based on her popularity, she was still a supporting player. I also think it's somewhat telling that, despite that popularity, Cattrall hasn't really done much since the show ended. Maybe she's not all that pleasant behind the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 158November 26, 2021 3:27 PM

Sorry SJP, but Cattrall has worked fairly consistently since SATC ended.

by Anonymousreply 159November 26, 2021 3:31 PM

You're not proving anything with one unflattering IRL photo from a piece of shit tabloid, r139. I just watched a few episodes of Sensitive Skin and Kim Cattrall is still thin with a beautiful face. Peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 160November 26, 2021 3:40 PM

R144, if you read this whole thread, it does state that the reason no other character could "break out" was that part of SJP's contract stipulated that she have more lines than the other two women. (And always be in the center in photos, and never show her breasts, and all the other contractual stuff that has been discussed over the years.)

by Anonymousreply 161November 26, 2021 3:41 PM

It seems to me that this pre-show (and faux) fawning over Kim and her absence by the producers, and a storyline that would enable her to come back next season, is just an attempt to garner publicity and interest in the show. They’re using her because she generates more buzz that the others even when she’s not there…

by Anonymousreply 162November 26, 2021 4:06 PM

Carrie was always meant to be the center of the show and really the only reason that the other 3 women would associate with each other. Cattrall may be the favorite of gay men (she's obviously based on one), but SJP was always the star and the supposedly relatable axis around everything else. The writers did a pretty good job of moving the other women's lives forward, but not Carrie. Aiden was too good to be true. The thing with Big went back & forth one too many times and the "Russian" made no sense at all. He was a bf for an impressionable 20-something, not someone pushing 40. Carrie, herself, is not very interesting and they let her get way too self-involved to be as sympathetic toward the end as she was in earlier seasons. She probably was closer to Bushnell in the beginning, where she seems much more world-weary and all knowing. The reboot is going to suck no matter how much of a site gag Carrie becomes---her fun friend is gone. Her gay friend is dead and playing off the strident Miranda and the naive (still!) Charlotte doesn't seem much fun.

by Anonymousreply 163November 26, 2021 4:10 PM

Is that walking talking gay minstrel show Mario Cantone going to be in this?

by Anonymousreply 164November 26, 2021 4:23 PM

[quote]Michael Patrick King while writing Valerie Cherish.

I had no idea he could write anything that funny.

[quote]HBO made a mistake greenlighting a revival. Massively out of step with the culture.

Assuming it's the turkey everybody expects, the mistake was the creative team. The second movie showed their limits. To take these women into their fifties and do anything with them required a truly fresh take.

by Anonymousreply 165November 26, 2021 4:30 PM

Carrie was my least favorite character …I liked Miranda and Samantha

by Anonymousreply 166November 26, 2021 4:32 PM

Kim was the one who always had to get naked. She also brought the comedy that none of the others did.

by Anonymousreply 167November 26, 2021 4:32 PM

I liked Carrie a lot. She was always interesting but the Big shit got old at times. Same with Charlotte and Trey. His limp dick went on too long. Miranda ended up being a highly enjoyable character. All 4 characters worked well together.

There is zero chance KC comes back. Not after what she has done and said. They could pay her MORE than SJP and give her an EP credit and she wouldn’t do it. I think she knew she would be tempted and nuked that bridge so she could never cross it again.

by Anonymousreply 168November 26, 2021 4:36 PM

Can't they just let it go? They seem to be courting Cattrall back while at the same time shitting all over her in case she doesn't come back.

by Anonymousreply 169November 26, 2021 4:40 PM

If anyone of you have ever worked at a job you hated to your bones, you understand how great it feels to tell them to fuck off. 10 years on, I still wouldn't piss on my old boss if he was on fire.

by Anonymousreply 170November 26, 2021 4:49 PM

I liked all the characters and the show a lot for 3.5 seasons. Once Steve became a permanent fixture and Carrie and Aiden were dating again (mid-season 4), it lost some of what I liked about it. Not there weren't good episodes here and there after that, but overall it was more dicey and the show and the characters took a nosedive. Carrie was never worse than when she was with Berger (and I hated Berger) and Petrovsky.

by Anonymousreply 171November 26, 2021 4:55 PM

Carrie was a great character until they made her perfect and "fabulous". She was a whiny, selfish moo and her apartment stank of cigarettes and farts

by Anonymousreply 172November 26, 2021 4:58 PM

I ask the question, who is this show for? Who’s the audience?

by Anonymousreply 173November 26, 2021 4:58 PM

The new show or the old show, R173?

I would think the new show would be for fans of the old show.

by Anonymousreply 174November 26, 2021 5:00 PM

[quote] I ask the question, who is this show for? Who’s the audience?

Women 18-35 who live or want to live in NYC and don’t have the imagination to create their own world.

by Anonymousreply 175November 26, 2021 5:03 PM

R153 “I have a feeling it will be a solid series.”

What is this feeling of yours based on?

by Anonymousreply 176November 26, 2021 5:13 PM

[quote] What is this feeling of yours based on?

Obviously MENopause.

by Anonymousreply 177November 26, 2021 5:17 PM

While Carrie may have been the center of the show, for better or for worse, Samantha was the second most important character. Would anyone have given this many fucks if Nixon or Davis had sat this out?

Kim was annoyed about the lack of respect she was given (rightly or wrongly) for her heavy lifting on the show and rather than address it, SJP froze her out. Her chickens have come home to roost.

by Anonymousreply 178November 26, 2021 5:29 PM

I want another post from that "guys, this is gonna be great!" troll.

I love those.

by Anonymousreply 179November 26, 2021 5:35 PM

My favorite character in the entire series was Jack Berger because he saw tons of red flags with Carrie and dumped her. He was the only honest character on the show.

by Anonymousreply 180November 26, 2021 5:38 PM

Wasn't the rise of Samantha one of the few things that worked as the series got worse? (Maybe just her and Magda.) About that point where Carrie and Aiden entered their torturous psychodrama, Charlotte married limpdick and then found real, dull love with Mr. Clean, Miranda got knocked up and grumped down the mommy track, Samantha suddenly burst forward as more than just a blunt blow up doll. She got quite warm, caring, self assured, more confident about her herself. She actually seemed like a real woman who really, unapologetically liked sex and men. So you can see where Cattrall thought that was worth something. She's not a great actress but she really delivered that part. She and Nixon left the other two in the dust. Charlotte you could just put up with. Carrie became loathesome, so hatewatchable.

by Anonymousreply 181November 26, 2021 5:41 PM

Carrie cornering Berger's friends at that club to whine at them about Berger breaking up to her via Post-it was a clear illustration of why he broke up with her via Post-it. She came off as strident and unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 182November 26, 2021 5:45 PM

"My favorite character in the entire series was Jack Berger because he saw tons of red flags with Carrie and dumped her. He was the only honest character on the show. "

I guess that's partly true. But, he also couldn't deal with her success. She was at her worst with him, but he was also lame.

by Anonymousreply 183November 26, 2021 5:51 PM

[quote]Carrie was a great character until they made her perfect and "fabulous". She was a whiny, selfish moo and her apartment stank of cigarettes and farts

When was Carrie ever made perfect? She was a frequently appalling person, and yet her friends accepted her for who she is because she was their friend.

And as for being made fabulous, her fabulousness was called into question with literally a ?.

Even in the final series with the Russian dickhead she prioritised the needs of a dreadful man who didn't appreciate her over the needs of her friends.

Carrie Bradshaw was never made out to be anything other than a very flawed individual.

by Anonymousreply 184November 26, 2021 5:54 PM

They should've had Valerie Harper's character recur even after Carrie broke up with Justin Theroux, Val's character seemed more natural than Candice Bergen's Enid. Samantha seemed like a much better match for Big: self-sufficient, confident, non-smoker. They could've at least become drinking buddies.

by Anonymousreply 185November 26, 2021 6:13 PM

Kim was smart to bow out.

Seeing Samantha Jones with these jowls and spotty claws would be nothing but depressing.

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by Anonymousreply 186November 26, 2021 6:22 PM

[quote]If anyone of you have ever worked at a job you hated to your bones, you understand how great it feels to tell them to fuck off. 10 years on, I still wouldn't piss on my old boss if he was on fire.

Exactly!

by Anonymousreply 187November 26, 2021 6:53 PM

Ron Livingston was hot AF back then. A guy who looked like that who lived in NYC would've had every hot bitch in town wanting to get into his pants, no way in hell would he have been with a woman like SJP.

by Anonymousreply 188November 26, 2021 6:57 PM

This review of the second S&TC flick is both brutal and funny. If I were Kim I’d refuse participating too.

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by Anonymousreply 189November 26, 2021 6:57 PM

Mark Kermode's tirade about what a piece of capitalist, consumerist, elitist dogshit Sex and the City 2 was is hilarious.

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by Anonymousreply 190November 26, 2021 7:00 PM

[quote]Carrie Bradshaw was never made out to be anything other than a very flawed individual.

Except she wasn't part of it. I'd argue the flaws in the character the audience saw were far different than the flaws of the character.

by Anonymousreply 191November 26, 2021 7:03 PM

If Kim has such high standards I wonder why she agreed to make the second movie. Maybe they didn’t show her the script until after she signed on?

by Anonymousreply 192November 26, 2021 7:07 PM

R192, I’d bet the option for a second movie was baked into the contract for the first…

by Anonymousreply 193November 26, 2021 7:10 PM

I understand why Miranda and Charlotte hung out with Carrie. I never understood why Samantha hung around with any of them. She seemed on a different level than the other three.

by Anonymousreply 194November 26, 2021 7:16 PM

Who cares who hung out with who after hours? These are professionals. If an older actress didn't want to hang with the younger ones so what?

At some point it became clear that Samantha was a huge draw for audiences. They should have given her more money.

To me Miranda was a bore and annoying and, in many ways, so was Charlotte though not annoying.

This is just ego nonsense and now they're trying to make Cattrall look bad - I personally think she can be a real bitch after watching her on the finding your relatives UK show - but when it comes to her job that's a different matter. Watching Samantha handle aging would have been both a hoot and probably poignant.

by Anonymousreply 195November 26, 2021 7:23 PM

[quote]Watching Samantha handle aging would have been both a hoot and probably poignant.

Only in the hands of decent writers, which this show doesn't have.

by Anonymousreply 196November 26, 2021 7:28 PM

The Berger character was just poorly written. His jealousy of her success seemed to come out of nowhere, just like his ex's house in the Hampton and his expensive Harley.

by Anonymousreply 197November 26, 2021 7:41 PM

Charlotte was smart and savvy in the first season before she morphed into a ninny. She even fucked a Hasidic folk artist. Her desperate attempts to get married and then have a baby made her unlikeable. Miranda, on the other hand, softened up as the series went on and became more vulnerable and likeable.

by Anonymousreply 198November 26, 2021 7:43 PM

Berger’s jealousy of Carrie’s success came out of his own failure as a writer. And he seemed to hate himself for feeling the way he did. Made sense to me.

by Anonymousreply 199November 26, 2021 7:45 PM

Lisa Edelstein (House) was the runner-up to SJP for the part of Carrie. Contracts were signed and Edelstein was waiting in the wing, waiting to see if SJP would pass on the project.

Unfortunately for Edelstein, SJP accepted the part

by Anonymousreply 200November 26, 2021 7:49 PM

I've kinda always been Team Kim.

SJP hadn't had any more illustrious of a career than Kim did before they both landed at the show. So to suggest Sarah was somehow The Star and Kim was several layers below that is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 201November 26, 2021 7:53 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere once that Cattrall was angling for equal pay for all four of the women, not just herself, but I can't remember where I read that now.

I have no idea what the truth was, but over the years these weird hit pieces on Cattrall come out regularly, and there was this sense that they were used in the past to guilt Kim into doing, say, Sex and the City 2. I mean, maybe it's all true, but it comes across really badly that they keep doing this.

Personally I just feel warmer towards Cattrall than I ever would to Parker who comes across often like one of those 'desperate to be seen as lovely' people, but is really hard as nails, and mean girls-esque underneath it. But that's just an impression I get, I clearly don't know these women (and actually Cynthia is the one I've always liked the most).

by Anonymousreply 202November 26, 2021 7:56 PM

[quote] Her desperate attempts to get married and then have a baby made her unlikeable

Charlotte's desperate attempts to marry should have been a running joke through the series... all the way to the altar half a dozen times or so with a magnificent blow up each time... and then reward her with a good man.

by Anonymousreply 203November 26, 2021 7:56 PM

Part of the anti-SJP sentiment has to be some of the company she keeps. Anybody's who's friends with Andy Cohen starts from a serious deficit.

by Anonymousreply 204November 26, 2021 7:57 PM

I think Kim recognized what an utter piece of shit SATC 2 was and that's what made her say "no more."

by Anonymousreply 205November 26, 2021 7:57 PM

Kim is so bloated now that her whole face is distorted.

Fat? Bad fillers? Menopause jaw?

All three?

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by Anonymousreply 206November 26, 2021 8:02 PM

Oh, you're all a bunch of Carries!

by Anonymousreply 207November 26, 2021 8:02 PM

Except that was a single episode, not a real arc. It easily could have disappeared much like Harry Goldenblatt's love of nudism. What is consistent is Carrie's lack if interest in who any of her boyfriends really are. One of the problems with her relationship(s) with Big is that she never really has any idea about him. His investments surprise her---does she not ask. His prior marriage surprises her. It was written as if he was not disclosing, but really she has no curiosity about him or Aiden or Berger or the Russian. She just seems to have assumptions that are usually wrong.

by Anonymousreply 208November 26, 2021 8:03 PM

I like that Kim became friends with Trace Beaulieu of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Trace was puppeteer and voice for one of the impish robots on the show. This robot, Crow T. Robot, had a major thing for Kim in Manniquin, and it was played up several times in skits, including a song (see the link).

Kim heard about it and was shown the skits. She contacted Trace, much to his astonishment, and had lunch with him. They hit it off and became friends.

I’ll always love her for that.

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by Anonymousreply 209November 26, 2021 8:07 PM

In at least the first few of seasons, didn't Carrie sort of act like a narrator/guide to each episode, even introducing scenes that she wasn't in, all done while typing on her laptop like she was writing the episode?

Clearly SJP was set up to be the undisputed lead. She was also the only actress to be featured in the famous opening titles, year after year.

There's no way one could say they all had equal billing or prominence.

by Anonymousreply 210November 26, 2021 8:07 PM

^^^ mannequin

by Anonymousreply 211November 26, 2021 8:08 PM

At the time it aired, the frothy water-cooler “the modern politics of love and sex” stuff was really what drove a lot of the buzz around the show, but twenty years later that part of the show feels creaky and often embarrassingly retrograde.

The only parts of the show that have held up well are the explorations of the rhythms and dynamics of female friendship, and it’s now basically SATC canon that Samantha was the real and often unsung hero of the show when it comes to showing up as a friend for Carrie and the other women.

That being said, even if Samantha proved in retrospect to be the surprise moral centre of the show, Carrie was it’s undeniable protagonist.

I would guess that a large part of Cattrall’s frustration (apart from the fact that she had to do the heavy-lifting with most of the more outre sex scenes ) was that she and SJP were the two who ended up “becoming” their characters in the public consciousness. While for SJP that meant a crack at movie rom com leads and brand deals befitting a “style icon”, for Catrall “being Samantha” didn’t really come with any such opportunities.

by Anonymousreply 212November 26, 2021 8:17 PM

From the 1980s - Kim Cattrall agent leaves a message for Andrew McCarthy about the problems they are having on the set of "Mannequin"

Later he leaves a message for Kim trying to smooth things over

This is REAL message, not made-up!

Andrew McCarthy would later do a parody of the message for "Funny or Die"

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by Anonymousreply 213November 26, 2021 8:21 PM

I don't get why she couldn't put her ego aside. The way those episodes are structured, there is one scene with all the women in a restaurant and then they all have their own storylines. The don't even have scenes with each other! She could've done this show and stayed relevant. She's nothing without this show.

by Anonymousreply 214November 26, 2021 8:22 PM

R214 = Matthew Broderick.

Kim is working, presumably with people she doesn't hate, and she's better with money than Joey Lawrence. She doesn't NEED SJP anymore.

by Anonymousreply 215November 26, 2021 8:25 PM

I had no idea Daba Delaney was considered for the role of Carrie! Now, that I'd like to see; she's much more likable than SJP.

Kim Cattrall was in season 2 of Modus recently - when she popped up - as an American President, no less! - my first reaction was "it's Samantha!", but Kim's acting was good and you soon adjusted to her in such a contrasting role.

by Anonymousreply 216November 26, 2021 8:26 PM

her face does look fuller but I don't think she looks bloated. easier to manage wrinkles with a little more cushion, especially for pasty gals.

by Anonymousreply 217November 26, 2021 8:30 PM

R216, she was not considered--she was offered it. Later she claimed that she had done a few sexually themed projects and did not want to repeat herself.

She used the same excuse for turning down Bree on Desparate Housewives...so she seems to have learned little.

by Anonymousreply 218November 26, 2021 8:30 PM

Ya know, Vivian Vance was the same way with me. I was the star of the show, but she always wanted clauses in her contract: I'm not gonna be fat, I'm gonna be called "Viv", I wanna sing, I'm not working with fatty Frawley again, I want costumes that don't make me look frowzy.

by Anonymousreply 219November 26, 2021 8:30 PM

Dana Delaney and Darrin Starr are besties and used to be roommates when they both moved to Hollywood in their 20s.

by Anonymousreply 220November 26, 2021 8:33 PM

Boy, you have to really hate SJP to want to see Dana Delaney as Carrie Bradshaw. That would've totally flopped.

by Anonymousreply 221November 26, 2021 8:41 PM

Carrie would have a been fortysomething at the start of the series if Delaney had played the part.

by Anonymousreply 222November 26, 2021 8:43 PM

I doubt Dana Delaney would've fared well with all of Carrie Bradshaw's superficiality, as detailed endlessly on this thread and many others.

SATC was ALWAYS about putting a foot wrong - that was the WHOLE point. But, of course, blame SJP.

by Anonymousreply 223November 26, 2021 8:51 PM

Dana Delaney in 1998... the year the show started. She was only 32 but she seems older to me.

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by Anonymousreply 224November 26, 2021 8:56 PM

It's well documented that SJP has significant creative input

by Anonymousreply 225November 26, 2021 8:57 PM

Dana Delaney & Kim Cattrall did a movie that was like "Sex & The City" about four single gals on the prowl called "Live Nude Girls"

by Anonymousreply 226November 26, 2021 9:00 PM

Well, significant input, anyway, R225.

by Anonymousreply 227November 26, 2021 9:02 PM

On another thread I remember someone saying that Kim Cattrall is friends with people like Isabelle Huppert, and SJP is friends with people like Andy Cohen, which is all they needed to know which person they sided with. To be honest - it's a fair point!

by Anonymousreply 228November 26, 2021 9:22 PM

Delaney would have made Carrie more of a grownup.

by Anonymousreply 229November 26, 2021 9:24 PM

r213 as funny as those messages are, they're a hoax.

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by Anonymousreply 230November 26, 2021 9:24 PM

[quote]I don't get why she couldn't put her ego aside.... She's nothing without this show.

She's a 65 year old woman with a net worth if $40M who keeps busy or busy enough acting. What does she have to prove to R214 or anybody else? I suspect she could find a way to fill her days without SATC or Samantha fans or R214 or any work at all.

I have more respect for someone who says no now and again that some dirty bitch who fears irrelevancy if she doesn't say yes to everything.

FFS, she's 65.

by Anonymousreply 231November 26, 2021 9:33 PM

I wonder if she read that script about her sexting with Brady or however it was meant to work and just decided I'm done being their punchline.

by Anonymousreply 232November 26, 2021 9:35 PM

R231 we have no idea was Kim is worth (those celeb websites are bullshit) but she's obviously saved/invested well and can say no to something she doesn't want.

by Anonymousreply 233November 26, 2021 9:39 PM

Dana has a sarcastic, brittle tone to her work. She would have made a great Samantha or even perhaps Miranda, but Carrie needed a more superficial, needy center of attention.

by Anonymousreply 234November 26, 2021 9:41 PM

The irresistible always sought-after Carrie Bradshaw with Jon Tenney on the set of the reboot.

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by Anonymousreply 235November 26, 2021 9:43 PM

Kim is at an age where a person doesn't need to keep chasing more and more money if they're already wealthy.

by Anonymousreply 236November 26, 2021 9:46 PM

How do you have it written down and agreed upon before a single episode is even taped that you are to always have more lines than the others? You're already threatened by co-stars whom you don't even know?

It shows you right there how much SJP really claims to value the others input.

And you know if she didn't want to go it again, but the other three did, she would not only have no problem telling the others no, she'd throw a shit fit if they even tried to go ahead and do it.

I guess Nixon and Davis don't care, but can you can blame Kim for not wanting to tolerate that BS any longer?

by Anonymousreply 237November 26, 2021 9:46 PM

Of course, with Delaney the character and plots would have been tailored to her and would be very diffferent.

One thing that is funny is that Parker was not exactly fashion forward pre-SATC. I always wondered if she was tolerant of the more clownish Field stylings because she was not secure in her own fashion sense. Actresses who are more secure in their looks veto more.

But her tolerance for the outre gave SJP a signature look, so what do I know?

by Anonymousreply 238November 26, 2021 9:48 PM

Carrie in yet ANOTHER ridiculous outfit.

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by Anonymousreply 239November 26, 2021 9:50 PM

R237, SJP was aging out of the babe roles she had gotten befroe and this show did not look that promising. It was less about being threatened by co-stars and more about coming out with some dignity on a project that could have made you look ridiculous.

She was the only one of the women to negotiate a no-nudity clause.

by Anonymousreply 240November 26, 2021 9:51 PM

R239, that's got to be a joke.

by Anonymousreply 241November 26, 2021 9:59 PM

Carrie is soooo fabulous, even gay men want to be around her.

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by Anonymousreply 242November 26, 2021 10:00 PM

How very folkloric, R239.

by Anonymousreply 243November 26, 2021 10:00 PM

Was Carrie an extra in Midsommar?

by Anonymousreply 244November 26, 2021 10:05 PM

[quote]Kim is working, presumably with people she doesn't hate,

Do those people exist? Where Kimmy goes trouble follows. In Andrew McCarthy's new autobiography he talks about making "Mannequin" and never even mentions Kim's name, his co-star and the star of the movie.

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by Anonymousreply 245November 26, 2021 10:05 PM

The more pictures I see of Carrie's new outfits, I have to wonder did she hire Meghan McCain's old hairstylist to oversee her look?

OMG, just imagine those outfits with McCain's crazy hairstyles.

by Anonymousreply 246November 26, 2021 10:13 PM

what the fuck is she wearing? It's just sad when older folk don't dress appropriately

by Anonymousreply 247November 26, 2021 10:41 PM

That outfit almost seems primed to have people scream "cultural appropriation!" at it.

by Anonymousreply 248November 26, 2021 10:51 PM

You nitwits do realize she is in character and probably a plot point.

by Anonymousreply 249November 26, 2021 10:52 PM

Look at these outfits! 😂😂

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by Anonymousreply 250November 26, 2021 11:30 PM

One more time.

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by Anonymousreply 251November 26, 2021 11:37 PM

Holy shit, are those Ethel Mertz’s hostess pants Nixon is wearing?! She does have one of the biggest potamusses I’ve ever seen

by Anonymousreply 252November 26, 2021 11:45 PM

The photos up at Getty are hilarious. A bunch of 50+ women trying to look like a bunch of trendy 25 year olds!

Ari Nicole Parker on the set.

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by Anonymousreply 253November 26, 2021 11:52 PM

Who is dressing the actresses?? I guess Patricia Field is back?

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by Anonymousreply 254November 26, 2021 11:59 PM

Miranda going grey is at least what you'd expect with her character, and it looks great on her!

by Anonymousreply 255November 27, 2021 12:01 AM

So only slightly OT. What is up with Chris Noth? I thought it was a huge star on Law and Order. Why leave to do this show? He was only second lead on the Good Wife. Does he just make bad choices?

by Anonymousreply 256November 27, 2021 12:06 AM

Ha I thought HE was a huge star…

by Anonymousreply 257November 27, 2021 12:07 AM

That was your first mistake.

by Anonymousreply 258November 27, 2021 12:08 AM

[quote] Why leave (Law & Order) to do this show?

Noth contract with Law & Order was not renewed. Dick Wolf felt Briscoe & Logan were too similar, and if he had to chose between Jerry Orbach and Chris Noth, he went with Orbach.

Benjamin Bratt was cast as the new partner, and Wolf there was more contrast with Briscoe - as Bratt character was a Conservative catholic and tech savvy, determined to be on the straight and narrow.

by Anonymousreply 259November 27, 2021 12:10 AM

Here's Chris Noth on the SATC reboot set, looking rather BIG!

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by Anonymousreply 260November 27, 2021 12:13 AM

[Quote] SJP had a career, but she wasn't a huge star. The only memorable role I remember her in before S&TC is Hocus Pocus, which is also getting a new version. She mainly appeared in disposable formulaic rom-coms.

Yes but many of them were in the 1990s. Cattrall's dumb comedies were in the 1980s. Cattrall had peaked.

by Anonymousreply 261November 27, 2021 12:14 AM

Next year, Sarah Jessica Parker and Kim Cattrall will be touring in James Kirkwood's "Legends". You'll want to get your tickets for that one!

by Anonymousreply 262November 27, 2021 12:16 AM

R21 SJP had done Square Pegs (not a huge hit but cult favorite), LA Story (with Steven Martin) and Honeymoon in Vegas (with Nicolas Cage) before Hocus Pocus. Plus she had dated RDJ in the '80s. She was no Meryl Streep but definitely more established in the biz than Cattrall, who could not boast a comparable array of male co-stars.

by Anonymousreply 263November 27, 2021 12:23 AM

SJP also had a TORRID Affair with JFK Jr.

by Anonymousreply 264November 27, 2021 12:25 AM

Catrall wasn't really more popular. Carrie has become less liked. The character of Samantha has aged better. That's it.

by Anonymousreply 265November 27, 2021 12:25 AM

She had obscure credits in the decade before Sex and the City. She was so lucky to get that milestone role that she will always be remembered for.

Ungrateful cunt!

by Anonymousreply 266November 27, 2021 12:32 AM

Chris Noth has a huge penis.

He sat across from me on an airplane and when we stood up at landing to leave, he was hard, and it was very, very sizable. (He'd been flirting with the woman next to him.)

by Anonymousreply 267November 27, 2021 12:33 AM

[quote]SJP also had a TORRID Affair with JFK Jr.

Who he thought was Lem Billings.

by Anonymousreply 268November 27, 2021 12:36 AM

SJP was not afraid to cut loose.

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by Anonymousreply 269November 27, 2021 12:42 AM

But we were afraid when she did.

by Anonymousreply 270November 27, 2021 12:43 AM

Jennifer Grey should have played Carrie.

by Anonymousreply 271November 27, 2021 12:45 AM

As Exec Producer, it was SJP's job to deal with other actors on the show's concerns. She obviously let these issues fester ignored for the show's heyday. Kim obviously reached a point when she realized her concerns were never going to be resolved and finally said no; enough is enough.

SJP was very happy to take the Exec Producer money, without actually doing the job.

by Anonymousreply 272November 27, 2021 12:45 AM

Let's not forget SJP starred in the lead on the Broadway.

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by Anonymousreply 273November 27, 2021 12:48 AM

what does an executive producer do that a producer does not?

by Anonymousreply 274November 27, 2021 12:49 AM

[quote]Let's not forget SJP starred in the lead on the Broadway.

She was the replacement of a replacement's replacement. She was like the 6th girl in the role when they were just limping it along trying to squeeze the last nickel out of it before the movie opened.

by Anonymousreply 275November 27, 2021 12:53 AM

In television (as opposed to film) the EP is more directly tied to the details of the production, more in charge of the day to day.

by Anonymousreply 276November 27, 2021 1:02 AM

I want Cattrall to play Natalie Dormer's mother in something, perhaps a horror movie.

by Anonymousreply 277November 27, 2021 1:09 AM

R275, well, she was on Broadway as a kid. She was the lead kid in Annie. I think you’re being picayune.

by Anonymousreply 278November 27, 2021 1:22 AM

R35, my thoughts exactly.

by Anonymousreply 279November 27, 2021 1:34 AM

R266 her most memorable film credit before SATC

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by Anonymousreply 280November 27, 2021 1:42 AM

Kim may be a bitch or icy but I respect that she realized her worth and walked. She did deserve more money. She is like Joan Collins was to Dynasty - that extra special piece that brought spark and excitement to the show. Kim understood that and wasn't going to put up with SJP's minimizing Kim's contributions to the show.

And perhaps SJP was better known than Kim pre-SATC, but Kim had been in Porky's, Police Academy, Mannequin and a Star Trek film, among many other credits. She's wasn't an unknown. I knew of Kim long before SATC. I remember seeing her in Mannequin and also Masquerade with Rob Lowe and being mesmerized by her and I was only 12.

I bet when this new reboot airs there will be lots of tweets about Samantha/Kim and lots of anti-SJP tweets. It's going to be interesting how people react on social media when this drops.

by Anonymousreply 281November 27, 2021 2:10 AM

Favored Nations.

by Anonymousreply 282November 27, 2021 2:11 AM

R282 Said the bitch who rolled into Pasadena when she felt like it.

by Anonymousreply 283November 27, 2021 2:22 AM

I get it to an extent. SJP was never an A list STAR, but she had a weird celebrity that people knew who she was by name or on sight years before Sex and the City began. I don't know how to explain it, but she was. None of the other actresses were, again for whatever reason. That said, as the show went along it really was an ensemble. It would not have been as popular without the other three. Although the idea of Sandra Bernhard playing Miranda, mentioned above would have been way more interesting.

It really just comes down to what the difference in pay was that KC was bitching about. Was it significant? If it was, then yeah, I can see her point, they should be on a fairly more equal pay grade. And what did SJP put up her own money in the production of the show? If so, well, then yes, she would receive more of a financial reward. There are too many unknowns in all of this to know how or why there were issues.

by Anonymousreply 284November 27, 2021 2:25 AM

SJP got herself into quite a range of movies. Cattrall, not really.

by Anonymousreply 285November 27, 2021 2:28 AM

I don't know who you guys are talking to but most people watched SATC because of the Carrie/Big storyline. I never liked Kim Cattrall and I think that she is a horrible actor. The second movie was complete garbage and I think that SJP was really bothered by it ending on that note. So this is a do over. I hope it is a huge hit. Jason Lewis basically said Cattrall was a huge bitch....so it is not just the women in the cast.

by Anonymousreply 286November 27, 2021 2:34 AM

R286 the maybe she should've demanded a better script for it. Sounds like the script for her amazing dream of SATC3 was shit too.

by Anonymousreply 287November 27, 2021 2:38 AM

If SJP was bothered by how the 2nd movie turned out, I hope her friends have cleared their schedules. The critic reviews and viewership numbers for this ill-advised train wreck are going to put her on suicide watch

by Anonymousreply 288November 27, 2021 2:42 AM

Why does Cynthia Nixon look like she's fucking 70 years old? Does eating Rojo Caliente's pussy make you age faster?

by Anonymousreply 289November 27, 2021 2:56 AM

I am ashamed to say that after reading this thread, I kind of want to see this. But I’ll have to figure out a way to screen it without helping it’s ratings.

I never watched the series, much less the movies, but the air of desperation is enticing!

by Anonymousreply 290November 27, 2021 3:01 AM

[quote]Designing Women dealt poorly with the situation all around (though it was an ensemble) and it hurt the show.

What happened on DW? Did the other women resent Delta becoming so popular? That show is odd since when she got really good and was the breakout star she started missing shows and then left, or fired (?)

Why'd Jean Smart leave?

by Anonymousreply 291November 27, 2021 3:30 AM

An "Executive Producer" title is an "honorary" title with a paycheck.

An actual "Producer" is there, day in and day out, in the trenches, meeting deadlines and delivering the the episodes to the network!

by Anonymousreply 292November 27, 2021 3:34 AM

I can remember Star Jones who was friends with Cattrall going to bat for her on The View. They were having salary disputes back then. The other women thought that was wrong. Jones said if you are the one bring the audience shouldn't you be compensated accordingly? Or something like that.

From the way Jones spoke you could tell there was no love on the set.

by Anonymousreply 293November 27, 2021 3:39 AM

Patricia Field turned this down because she is busy with that Emily in Paris show.

by Anonymousreply 294November 27, 2021 3:44 AM

Cynthia Nixon helped get Bill D'Blasio elected.

She needs to be pelted with stones.

by Anonymousreply 295November 27, 2021 3:48 AM

R295, how so? I’m not a New Yorker but she seems pretty insignificant to me politically.

by Anonymousreply 296November 27, 2021 4:03 AM

R157 Darren Star liked her from all the way back when he signed her as Brooke on Melrose.

by Anonymousreply 297November 27, 2021 5:12 AM

R284 yes and the show had a rolling list of b list guest stars. It was b list central.

by Anonymousreply 298November 27, 2021 5:15 AM

Davis was fine in the role.

by Anonymousreply 299November 27, 2021 5:31 AM

R299 I could be wrong here but Davis was the only one who was never nominated for any acting awards. Both Nixon and Cattrall won best supporting, and SJP won multiple best actress. I always feel bad for her, nothing wrong with her acting or storyline, she did a great job portraying Charlotte, how can we expect her to "act" sophisticated or multi dimensional when her role was written as a simple and naïve woman. And she is not alone here, Eva Longoria from DH received the same snub treatment, the industry awards punish them for the silly and simple roles they are required to play.

by Anonymousreply 300November 27, 2021 6:14 AM

People trying to say that SJP was a MUCH bigger star than Cattrall are bonkers. They actually have rather similar career paths...small roles in a big hit early on, (Porkys for KC and Flashdance for SJP), then films where they are given bigger roles but none of those films really make them big stars. Both get cast in movies that LOOK like they should be hits, but aren't at least at that time (Bonfire of the Vanities for KC; Hocus Pocus for SJP...which bombed when it first came out). Then small roles in more hits (SJP in First Wives Club; Cattrall gets Star Trek VI). And, lots and lots of filler films and TV work here and there.

Now, you can argue that SJP had more name cachet in 98 when it was time to cast SATC...mostly because she was younger but really, SJP was about 8 years away from becoming Kim Cattrall. SATC saved both of them.

SJP was the main character of the show but it was an ensemble show. If the show had entirely focused on Carrie with a wider variety of supporting cast coming in and out, it would have bombed. The dynamic between the 4 women, improbable as it was, was the key to the show's success.

It really is just a slightly different version of Golden Girls and Designing Women.

You'd think some smart writer/producer would figure that out and try to create a NEW show following that same scenario.

People LIKE shows with 4 women bonding, bitching and brawling together, if they women are funny and likable.

by Anonymousreply 301November 27, 2021 6:19 AM

I'm not a fan of any of the leads but SJP alligned herself with projects that made her much more part of zeitgeist than Catrall did. SJP had a greater mix of material to her film resume than Catrall.

by Anonymousreply 302November 27, 2021 6:24 AM

Considering this is the ONLY thing Cattrall has EVER done that brought her fame and money, she's a fool to behave this way. This is diva behavior, unmerited in this case, and it's visible from a mile off.

by Anonymousreply 303November 27, 2021 6:29 AM

I think Cattrall has enough money that it's not a foolish decision not to return.

by Anonymousreply 304November 27, 2021 6:32 AM

but she is 65, she doesn't have to give a fuck on what others might think about her!

by Anonymousreply 305November 27, 2021 6:32 AM

R303 It's diva behaviour to turn down a role you're not interested in playing.

OK....

by Anonymousreply 306November 27, 2021 6:33 AM

And Just Like That……..The girls attend the KY Derby where Carrie gets mistaken for one of the horses and wins second place. Miranda decides to get her clit pierced but soon realizes that her stud is no match for her genital warts. Charlotte admits to having an eating disorder, she will only suck uncut cocks. Samantha is hired to rehab Bryan Singer’s image after he is caught jerking off at Chuck-E-Cheese

by Anonymousreply 307November 27, 2021 6:35 AM

[quote]They actually have rather similar career paths...small roles in a big hit early on, (Porkys for KC and Flashdance for SJP)

SJP was not in Flashdance. Are you thinking of Footloose?

by Anonymousreply 308November 27, 2021 6:41 AM

Aren't they the same movie?

by Anonymousreply 309November 27, 2021 6:54 AM

KC is 65. Maybe she does not wanted to reprise Samantha's hyper-sexual persona knowing she is bound to be ridiculed for it. The second film was bad enough.

by Anonymousreply 310November 27, 2021 6:56 AM

Flashdance and Footlose are different animals. Flashdance was a star vehicle for Jennifer Beals though her dancing was doubled. Footloose more an ensemble musical.

by Anonymousreply 311November 27, 2021 6:59 AM

I think they're both terrible 80s popcorn movies that are mostly beloved for their hit soundtracks.

by Anonymousreply 312November 27, 2021 7:01 AM

Flashdance is a crazy kind of musical. She can't sing, she can't dance but she looks great with wet hair and she can remove her bra in a restaurant like nobody else.

by Anonymousreply 313November 27, 2021 7:05 AM

FLASHDANCE was meant to be a vehicle for Meg Tilly, who was a trained dancer.

by Anonymousreply 314November 27, 2021 7:08 AM

And she is hot when eating a lobster.

by Anonymousreply 315November 27, 2021 7:11 AM

[quote]You nitwits do realize she is in character and probably a plot point.

Of course that's the point, YOU nitwit. Most posters here are aware the reboot is being discussed in this thread. The characters are dressed way too young for their advanced ages. Most of the crazy outfits they are wearing in the Getty photos could fly on the original series, not anymore.

Is Carrie going to run around in a tutu again?

Cynthia Nixon looks ridiculous and so old.

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by Anonymousreply 316November 27, 2021 7:28 AM

That doesn't look like a Miranda outfit. The bare shoulders alone...

by Anonymousreply 317November 27, 2021 7:30 AM

Here's something Kim Cattrall never did.

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by Anonymousreply 318November 27, 2021 11:38 AM

Executive Producer can mean a lot of things---in an indie film it's often an investor who periodically was involved in decision making (often disastrously). In television, it used to go the person who oversaw television production for the studio (sometimes called "executive in charge of production"). They got the show on the air and came in at key points if there was a problem. If the cast never knew them, it meant things worked well. The producer(s) tend to be the actual show runner(s). When stars are executive producers it's often a credit and an extra paycheck (or profit participation), but may or may not mean they play a significant role in the show.

It's probably a bit like "ownership" was in the early days of tv---which often was tax deferred income to avoid high marginal tax rates. Sometimes it had literally nothing to do with the show at all--Phil Silvers owned a piece of Gilligan's Island and it was a way for CBS to honor a long term contract and it meant that Silvers, a pathological gambler might have an income in the future (turned out well for him--Sherwood Schwartz went to his grave resenting it). People like Lucy/Desi, Donna Reed, Loretta Young and others owned their shows but sponsors, especially, really called the shots.

by Anonymousreply 319November 27, 2021 12:12 PM

I dislike how the women lose their personal sense of style as the series progresses. One would call it character development, I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 320November 27, 2021 12:49 PM

Kristen Davis got an Emmy nom for the final season. They all did.

by Anonymousreply 321November 27, 2021 12:49 PM

R327: She looks older than Cattrall

by Anonymousreply 322November 27, 2021 12:54 PM

It all started from the pilot. SJP had no such nudity clause in the beginning and the Producers were fully expecting her to show off her nice boobs to get men interested in watching.

After they filmed the Pilot the Producers wanted SJP to reshoot a scene without her bra (I think where she's letting her ex eat her box) but she refused. They couldn't afford to sack her but were mightly pissed.

When she refused a lot of nudity fell to Cattrall, which she hadn't expected. It was all a bit unfair

by Anonymousreply 323November 27, 2021 2:02 PM

SJP should be dressing from the Dorothy Zbornack collection now. Hell, they all should be.

by Anonymousreply 324November 27, 2021 2:03 PM

Except Charlotte. She needs to get her Joker drag on.

by Anonymousreply 325November 27, 2021 2:04 PM

I liked Carrie a lot at the beginning. She wore pigtails and dungarees, and her male friends talked about hotter women to her and she was fine with that. But clearly she wanted to be the princess and SJP made it happen. I nearly fell out of my chair when one of the gamblers at the casino in Atlantic City wanted her, the 'hot blonde' to blow on his dice for luck, instead of the truly beautiful Charlotte.

by Anonymousreply 326November 27, 2021 2:37 PM

R326, I know! Even dressed as a frump in that scene, what person would choose Carrie as the "hot one" over Charlotte?

That episode always seemed like a desperate rehab vehicle for the character of Carrie. After being a selfish, terrible friend for so many episodes, here she is just wanting to hang with her girlfriends while they don't have time for her. And it just made her seem more obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 327November 27, 2021 7:25 PM

Is Miranda now a lesbian in the reboot?

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by Anonymousreply 328November 27, 2021 7:51 PM

Miranda is transitioning as she now identifies as Michael and uses pronouns zhe, zir, and zurs.

by Anonymousreply 329November 27, 2021 8:32 PM

[Quote] When she refused a lot of nudity fell to Cattrall, which she hadn't expected. It was all a bit unfair

I don't believe that for a second. Nudity was always Catrall's thing.

by Anonymousreply 330November 27, 2021 9:22 PM

Kim is a good actress. Sitting there beaming while SJP wins an Emmy.

by Anonymousreply 331November 27, 2021 9:30 PM

R330 believe whatever you want fartface, that's what happened. When SJP decided to keep the bra firmly clipped, Cattrall had to suck it up. They were hardly going to use Nixon to entice the male viewership with her ginger bits!

by Anonymousreply 332November 27, 2021 9:31 PM

Catrall had to suck it up, yet she suggeted the fireman scene? Catrall embraces the sex part full force. Shit, she even read erotic poetry while her husband played the tuba or something.

by Anonymousreply 333November 27, 2021 9:32 PM

R324 it’s not the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 334November 27, 2021 9:34 PM

R332 They didn’t make Charlotte strip. Why did you make this up? Kim played the sex fiend and she’s obviously comfortable stripping. She was taking someone else’s burden? Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 335November 27, 2021 9:35 PM

That picture at R328 is absolutely disgusting

by Anonymousreply 336November 27, 2021 9:36 PM

R335 what's this, scotch mist?

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by Anonymousreply 337November 27, 2021 10:04 PM

Cynthia whipped out her titties on at least one episode, R332.

by Anonymousreply 338November 27, 2021 10:07 PM

R338 more than once unfortunately

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by Anonymousreply 339November 27, 2021 10:11 PM

I think the black bar could make a welcome comeback when faced with Cynthia's titties.

by Anonymousreply 340November 27, 2021 10:12 PM

Black bar?

by Anonymousreply 341November 27, 2021 10:13 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Cattrall stories were true and that doesn't have to make her a villain. She had been around the block enough times to know that SATC was finally going to give her the kind of name recognition she hadn't had before and that she had more experience than the other actresses. She probably knew more ways to negotiate than they did. OTOH, the show began as a vehicle with SJP at the center, first as narrator and then later as the person without whom the other women would never know each other or become friends. Given the often horrible story lines they had to endure, it's surprising that there wasn't an arc about how they met Carrie and became a group of fiends.

The show did become more of an ensemble with more time for each women's story arc, so the idea of more equal pay would have started to make sense. Cattrall may have been more daring and memorable but she also was more experienced---Davis had always been a supporting player and Nixon had mostly done Broadway, so they may have been grateful for the greater exposure. There could have been some face saving ways to make SJP first among equals--like ownership participation or getting the exec producer credit sooner.

I'm sure SJP did see this as the vehicle that would propel her further and make her a star. Before SATC, she seemed to be on trajectory that, at best, might turn out like Shelley Fabares---juvenile actress who transitions to adult roles and stays employed in television without too many gaps. Fabares didn't have SJP's stage experience but she had done movies (granted Elvis vehicles). She also was lucky not to have a crazy stage mother and to have the examples of her aunt Nanette Fabray and her her tv mom and eventual long-time friend, Donna Reed, who both seemed intelligent and relatively grounded. Fabray kept working but for a long time, it was mostly game shows. Reed stopped working for awhile and had difficulties when she returned, suing Lorimar over the Dallas debacle. SJP's parents were supportive but probably also needed her income and other than Broderick, whose career has mostly floundered, she doesn't seem to have role models. So, she may want more than a Shelley Fabraes career, but bad movies like the unwatchable Family Stone and not knowing when to end a franchise aren't necessarily going to give her a better career. She will have plenty of money, so there is that.

by Anonymousreply 342November 27, 2021 10:14 PM

Hello boys

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by Anonymousreply 343November 27, 2021 10:14 PM

Black bar

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by Anonymousreply 344November 27, 2021 10:15 PM

[quote] When she refused a lot of nudity fell to Cattrall, which she hadn't expected. It was all a bit unfair.... I don't believe that for a second. Nudity was always Catrall's thing.

Yeah, I don't either. You think an established actress with managers and agents wouldn't negotiate all that especially on a show called "Sex & The City" on HBO? Please.

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by Anonymousreply 345November 27, 2021 10:20 PM

It’s not like there was a lot of nudity on SATC. I just remember Kim showing her beaver once when Sam had nude pics taken and she looked gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 346November 27, 2021 10:20 PM

Stop ragging on Cynthia's looks, it's tiresome. She looked great with David in the first movie when they decided to get back together. Then again, a women's body doesn't frighten me like you homos here.

by Anonymousreply 347November 27, 2021 10:24 PM

Loads of guys tuning in assumed they were going to see SJP nude. She had the best body of the 4. But old prudy pants never gave them anything

by Anonymousreply 348November 27, 2021 10:25 PM

It isn't Cynthia as much as its that horrid hair color they gave her in the first seasons that made her unsexy. She did look much nicer in later seasons with more natural colors and makeup

by Anonymousreply 349November 27, 2021 10:27 PM

R348 SJP did NOT have the best body.

by Anonymousreply 350November 27, 2021 10:38 PM

If anything, SJP was the one I'd least want to see naked. Nixon looks her age and a bit dumpy which is probably not what this show needs.

by Anonymousreply 351November 27, 2021 10:42 PM

[quote]Loads of guys tuning in assumed they were going to see SJP nude. She had the best body of the 4.

Have any of you ever seen a major actress in person? Most are much thinner than they look on screen and in photos. SJP is sickly thin.

Look at her old lady hands. They're as bad as Madonna's geriatric hands! The only thing SJP still has going for her is her thick hair, she still has good hair.

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by Anonymousreply 352November 27, 2021 11:02 PM

It's an industry secret that when SJP does Hocus Pocus 2, she will not be wearing any makeup.

by Anonymousreply 353November 27, 2021 11:05 PM

At their ages, it sure does take a village! 😂😂😂

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by Anonymousreply 354November 27, 2021 11:07 PM

R327 Carrie was still a cunt in that episode! Think of the scene where Carrie and Charlotte were riding the tram, Carrie arbitrarily decides Charlotte's ridden far enough and she should go back to the hotel. I know there was at least one other scene in that episode where she was a cunt but I can't think of it right now.

by Anonymousreply 355November 27, 2021 11:23 PM

Old hands or not, SJP and perhaps Charlotte had the best bodies. Kim is too square and big boned to have a great figure though Kim and Charlotte had the best faces....Poor Cynthia.

by Anonymousreply 356November 27, 2021 11:35 PM

If Cattrall was such hot shit over and above all others in the show, where were the lines of producers trying to put her in another show? What has she done since SATS?

by Anonymousreply 357November 27, 2021 11:43 PM

[quote]What has she done since SATS?

She's done better than the other girls. She's currently slated to be in the reboot of Queer As Folk.

by Anonymousreply 358November 27, 2021 11:47 PM

SJP definitely had the best body. Holy shit - she is smoking in the first season. As a woman I can honestly say that she has the body most woman want. Very thin, slender hips, long legs. Exactly what JFK Jr saw in her. She exactly looks a bit like Carolyn Bessette.

by Anonymousreply 359November 27, 2021 11:53 PM

"long legs." loooool

SJP is 5'3". In SATC and now the reboot, she's always been in very high heels, High heels give her legs the allusion of being long. Her legs also appear long because she has thin legs.

Short slim women, especially those whose bodies are normally proportioned, always look taller than their actual height.

In fact, Cynthia Nixon is around 5'7", in heels Cynthia towers over SJP while she's hobbling around in four inch heels!

by Anonymousreply 360November 28, 2021 12:14 AM

In the title sequence, SJP did look like she had Quite Big Tits.

by Anonymousreply 361November 28, 2021 12:17 AM

SJP, is short.

The proof is out there.

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by Anonymousreply 362November 28, 2021 12:21 AM

SJP knows commas.

by Anonymousreply 363November 28, 2021 12:24 AM

SJP looks good in the shot at R362

by Anonymousreply 364November 28, 2021 12:28 AM

Who gives a flying fuck about commas.

SJP has short legs. PERIOD.

SJP in her ridiculous 5 inch heels. Cynthia in ballet slippers.

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by Anonymousreply 365November 28, 2021 12:28 AM

It's how things look on camera. SJP's proportions work.

by Anonymousreply 366November 28, 2021 12:34 AM

Secretariat WAS attractive through the 90s! ‘Very’ in fact. When she started going haggish it’s that cutesey, baby girl Mary Janes shit that made her intolerable and the butt of jokes. She’s also been a competent and appealing actress my whole life up until 2000 lol. I liked her! She did some kid movies, quality tv shows, starred in ok films. She did pretty well. Everyone caps on Kim’s film career (and maybe rightfully so) but they also forget she was in fuckin ‘Big Trouble in Little China!!!’ Kim was definitely known but the show was the best thing she ever got. So starting, SJP lead, the fact that Kim absolutely STOLE the series should have given her enough money to shut her up. I believe sjp was a cunt to Kim and probably jealous because she’s not sexy and she’s just a neurotic jerk. Remember she won unsexiest woman alive? Kim outed SJP as a mess and she stole the show. Good for her to run BUT of course the fans want her. Maybe season 2? Maybe sjp will let Kim be appeased given the failure she experienced with that ‘Divorce’ shit. Who can say…

by Anonymousreply 367November 28, 2021 12:34 AM

I think more of SJP's movies and TV work appealed to women. This has given her an advantage.

by Anonymousreply 368November 28, 2021 12:37 AM

The second SATC movie really gave all of them horrible lines and stories.

Kim’s was so embarrassing though.

by Anonymousreply 369November 28, 2021 12:51 AM

[quote]It's how things look on camera. SJP's proportions work.

Sigh, that's not the point, someone upthread claimed SJP has LONG LEGS. She does not.

by Anonymousreply 370November 28, 2021 12:56 AM

Judging for the photo at r365 the show is going to tackle the timely issue of NYC's homelessness problems. The fact that they are forced to wear whatever mismatched items they can find

by Anonymousreply 371November 28, 2021 1:03 AM

[Quote] Sigh, that's not the point, someone upthread claimed SJP has LONG LEGS.

Someone can have proportionally long legs, dear. Liza has a short torso and comparatively long legs.

by Anonymousreply 372November 28, 2021 1:06 AM

"Sigh, that's not the point, someone upthread claimed SJP has LONG LEGS. She does not"

That's why Kim Cattrall had to have her legs pulled, stretched, and extended. Since SJP could only show off stubby short legs, Cattrall had to do all the heavy lifting by doing all the long leg shots.

by Anonymousreply 373November 28, 2021 1:14 AM

[quote]She's done better than the other girls. She's currently slated to be in the reboot of Queer As Folk.

SJP would have finished her run on Broadway with her husband if the pandemic didn't postpone it. And they re getting $600 an orchestra seat and not re-sale, actual box office prices.

by Anonymousreply 374November 28, 2021 1:22 AM

R359 I think the point is you are a woman. No man would find SJP sexy.

by Anonymousreply 375November 28, 2021 1:23 AM

JFK Jr. wasn't a man? Was he a mouse?

by Anonymousreply 376November 28, 2021 1:30 AM

That was a long time before SATC r376.

by Anonymousreply 377November 28, 2021 1:33 AM

[quote]SJP would have finished her run on Broadway with her husband if the pandemic didn't postpone it.

Doing a Neil Simon play. Watch Kim do Noel Coward.

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by Anonymousreply 378November 28, 2021 1:41 AM

Don't be an asshole R376

by Anonymousreply 379November 28, 2021 1:42 AM

[quote]Loads of guys tuning in assumed they were going to see SJP nude. She had the best body of the 4. But old prudy pants never gave them anything

Thanks for the laugh: trying to envision these male viewing parties. Maybe they all went to Magnolia Bakery for creamy cupcakes after blowing their wads at SJP?

Straight men? Gay men? Who are all these male viewers who tuned in to see this tiny toothpick of a woman with witchy hair, a giant crone's honker, and a flat little boy's chest show some tits or snatch? And kept doing it, hoping "maybe this time!"

by Anonymousreply 380November 28, 2021 2:08 AM

SJP's body was rated by straight men in the 1990s. Women and gay men tend to focus on facial perfection. Not so straight men.

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by Anonymousreply 381November 28, 2021 2:11 AM

SJP as the archetypal '90s beach chick.

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by Anonymousreply 382November 28, 2021 2:12 AM

[quote]Thanks for the laugh: trying to envision these male viewing parties.

It's true. I was a prison guard during the run of S&TC. When the show was on, it was the only time that every prisoner was quiet and could be found glued to the television set.

by Anonymousreply 383November 28, 2021 2:15 AM

[quote]I was a prison guard during the run of S&TC.

This is one of the most intriguing posts in this thread! Do tell us about your time as a prison guard.

by Anonymousreply 384November 28, 2021 2:25 AM

She was hot through the 90s that’s just true… she started doggin our beginning of SATC run.

by Anonymousreply 385November 28, 2021 2:46 AM

Since the prison allowed them to watch SATC on HBO, were the prisoners also big fans of OZ?

by Anonymousreply 386November 28, 2021 2:51 AM

Was this a men's or women's prison?

by Anonymousreply 387November 28, 2021 3:11 AM

They found OZ unrealistic.

by Anonymousreply 388November 28, 2021 3:13 AM

You all seem to think SATC was obviously going to be a hit that would make an actress's career.

But that was not clear. HBO's most popular comedy had been Dream On.

This was before The Sopranos.

Oz was their biggest hit.

HBO was not the powerhouse it later became.

by Anonymousreply 389November 28, 2021 3:21 AM

HBO wasn't exactly slouching in the 90s. They had had successful films like "And the Band Payed On" and lots of music and comedy specials. The promotion of SATC was unavoidable and they showed it worldwide.

by Anonymousreply 390November 28, 2021 3:30 AM

Tracey Takes On was a pretty big hit for HBO before SATC premiered.

by Anonymousreply 391November 28, 2021 3:33 AM

Let's be thankful they didn't recast Samantha with Mannequinn 2.

by Anonymousreply 392November 28, 2021 3:39 AM

Tracy Takes On?

The fact is that they had not had any truly big hit fiction series. Just a few niche shows.

by Anonymousreply 393November 28, 2021 3:59 AM

R392 Kristy Swanson?!

by Anonymousreply 394November 28, 2021 4:06 AM

They had shows that got good ratings for cable, that's what was meant.

by Anonymousreply 395November 28, 2021 4:11 AM

R355, oh yeah, that tram scene happened just after those two guys wanted to buy Charlotte a drink for her birthday, and Carrie made a big song and dance about how it was a friends-only weekend even though Charlotte wanted to have a bit of a flirt, and the guys ended up leaving and spoiling Charlotte's birthday.

by Anonymousreply 396November 28, 2021 4:24 AM

is this going to be on HBO, or in theaters?

by Anonymousreply 397November 28, 2021 5:05 AM

Wow, R383. That is one thing I love about DL, the incredibly diverse backgrounds of the posters who bring their expertise. But we are (mostly) all gay men with common understanding and experiences. There was a riveting thread awhile back started by someone who had been in prison for awhile when he was young and invited the forum to ask him anything.

Also - sadly, Kristin Davis did/does not have a banging body. She's ok from the waist up, but she is pear-shaped, with wide hips, big thighs and stumpy, heavy calves. You can see how they try to disguise this with clothes and filming her from the waist up. However, she has an undeniably beautiful face.

by Anonymousreply 398November 28, 2021 5:16 AM

R397 Theaters, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 399November 28, 2021 5:16 AM

Davis has (had) a pretty face, she’s hardly beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 400November 28, 2021 5:17 AM

Davis has fucked up her mouth. She has that fishhooked mouth now.

by Anonymousreply 401November 28, 2021 5:18 AM

DL is so dramatic.

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by Anonymousreply 402November 28, 2021 5:19 AM

Many women would kill for this body.

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by Anonymousreply 403November 28, 2021 5:20 AM

Your standards must be pretty high, R400. She was voted the world's most beautiful woman in 2006.

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by Anonymousreply 404November 28, 2021 5:21 AM

SJP actually does look the best of the trio.

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by Anonymousreply 405November 28, 2021 5:22 AM

I blame Jada Pinkett. Davis looked fine when guesting on her show.

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by Anonymousreply 406November 28, 2021 5:24 AM

I hate to say it/admit it, but I have less than zero interest in this new Sex & The City series entirely because Cattrall isn't in it. If she were in it, I'd give it a watch.

by Anonymousreply 407November 28, 2021 5:29 AM

Ok sure, she was beautiful. I do like her I guess I forgot what she looked like

by Anonymousreply 408November 28, 2021 5:30 AM

The show was all about women accepting themselves in this society and posters here (who aren't even interested in fucking women anyway) are complaining about the actresses' "aging". Sad.

I love that this show is coming back. Not every straight women ends up with society's goal of a husband and 2.1 kids. Can they still be happy with themselves? How much harder is it for women in the city to date at that age? There is lots of socio-political ground this show can cover now.

by Anonymousreply 409November 28, 2021 11:43 AM

"Accepting themselves in society?" What does that even mean? It was a show about a skinny narcissist and her (mostly dysfunctional) relationships that, after the 2nd season, was set against a backdrop of grotesque consumerism, social-climbing, and partying. Not every straight woman is white, pretty and college-educated with zero familial obligations. Two of the four main characters, Miranda and Charlotte, did meet "society's goal" of finding a husband and having a child. This show was never about women bucking convention, they were yearning for it, for normalcy, stability. The entire premise of the show was about landing and keeping a man; the women were nominally employed but were rarely shown working, like their jobs were picked out of a hat with their generic WASP names. The show was fund at the time but even then was beyond retrograde.

by Anonymousreply 410November 28, 2021 11:59 AM

Cast Schmast.

Years ago, a DLer pointed out the real star of SATC is Manhattan. I watched most of the original series mostly to see NY.

Four more dislikable characters can't be found, but, I have an HBO Max subscription so I'll watch this for the Official DL thread.

I never bought that the SATC dialog, topics, and behavior, especially Samantha's, were "groundbreaking".

Perhaps they were for TV, but I was a bartender for 8 years beginning in the early 80s. My ears became singed from hearing women at the bar vividly, vulgarly, hilariously discuss sex and men with each other, so by the time SATC rolled around, I was jaded.

As for Carrie, among the many jumping the shark moments of SATC, the one that sticks out in my mind was when Aiden and Big had that wrestling match fighting over Carrie. I guess when you're the star and EP, that can be arranged.

As a poster upthread stated , Samantha's constant innuendo and behavior grated; of course, not out of my being prudish, but because she was too old. Sue Ann Nivens did it better.

Team Samantha all the way for jumping off that train on fire.

by Anonymousreply 411November 28, 2021 12:28 PM

Wow, Della, when you miss the mark, you miss it by a mile. You barely saw New York, other than the hot spots du jour. The show became a poseur's travel guide but I always felt it gave short shrift to living in New York. (Well, Miranda's snobbery about Brooklyn reflected the mood of the moment.)

In my experience there were always two SATCs. Darren Star's and Michael Patrick King's. One was different and arguably much better.

I don't disagree about some of Samantha's lines, but blame the gay men playing Barbies. Somebody read that Samantha was really a gay man and charged into the writer's room shrieking: RUN WITH THAT!!!!

Just as Carrie (and the equally tedious in her own way Charlotte) became insufferable in the back half, and Samantha arguably cruder, Samantha arguably became kinder and more settled and confident. I liked the evolution of her and Miranada.

by Anonymousreply 412November 28, 2021 12:46 PM

r412, I'll take your word for it that "You barely saw New York,..." but, it seemed to me I saw it plenty, but I'm a hayshaker from WI., so, there's that.

Anyway, I take no offense at your post. We see it from different "marks", which is what subjective experience is. I look forward to your reactions to AJLT.

by Anonymousreply 413November 28, 2021 12:57 PM

NYC, specifically Manhattan, is a star if not the star of the show. We in the provinces are told about the meatpacking district, the second class status of Brooklyn, etc. Some of us have been to NYC numerous times and have ventured out from the tourist city so we also could see how myopic the view was of the City. It's not the fond, sometimes wistful, sometimes cutting exploration that comes with Woody Allen films, but it's there nonetheless. This isn't "Naked City" with 8 million quirky stories, it's what fits a rom/sitcom.

Samantha and Miranda did "grow" and thankfully without turning into mush. Charlotte sortof did, too. But Carrie did not and both the Berger and Russian, in particular, arcs were poorly constructed. They were the "villains" except they were so cartoonish that it was easy to see Carrie as her own villain, with her selfish whining. Still, the show should have left it at Carrie, Big, and Paris. Instead, they needed to generate more cash.

by Anonymousreply 414November 28, 2021 1:17 PM

Della, what I meant was do typical New Yorkers live like the SATC gals? Carrie Bradshaw would have rightfully been in bankruptcy by the end of series two. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe typical New Yorkers burnt through everything they earn. I recognize it's a fairy tale but to me that's not making New York the star. It might as well have been Gotham or Emerald City. But maybe my take it wrong. Maybe SATC did show the real New York.

by Anonymousreply 415November 28, 2021 4:04 PM

[quote] What happened on DW? Did the other women resent Delta becoming so popular?

It wasn't about popularity - Delta was severe depression & OCD. At the time people didn't understand mental illness, and thought Delta was pulling Diva tactic, as they couldn't get her out of her dressing room, showing up late to rehearsal (as Delta couldn't get out of bed. The good news is once Delta got on the right medication, she was able to mend fences with everyone.

[quote] Why'd Jean Smart leave?

She just felt after five years, she wanted to do other things. She wanted to play other characters and wanted to spend more time with her baby.

by Anonymousreply 416November 28, 2021 4:17 PM

In terms of pay - towards the end the other three (Kim, Cynthia & Kristen) were six figures per episode

SJP was paid MILLIONS per episode

That was the difference

by Anonymousreply 417November 28, 2021 4:20 PM

They should have recast Samantha with Joanna Lumley or Dolly Parton. I'm still working out which would have been more hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 418November 28, 2021 4:26 PM

Well, they can't bring Stanford back, because Willie Garson is dead.

by Anonymousreply 419November 28, 2021 4:55 PM

Interesting r417. They should have all been paid equally as actors. As the popularity and seasons progressed, you needed all 4 for it to work.

Maybe SJP could haven compensated as a producer separately.

I have zero knowledge on how compensation works with actors, producers etc

As an example, did Alec Baldwin make more money as the producer of the ill-fated Rust movie?

by Anonymousreply 420November 28, 2021 5:26 PM

The fact that they are still bringing up the Kim thing shows that the producers are worried about losing the Samantha character. Otherwise, they'd have wished her well the first seven times she said 'no' and moved on. Whether Kim is a bitch or not, she has the right to turn down a role she doesn't want to play.

by Anonymousreply 421November 28, 2021 5:27 PM

The show premieres December 9th.

If I was the publisher of anything I'd pay Kim Cattrall up to a million bucks write her true story and a review for December 10th.

by Anonymousreply 422November 28, 2021 5:31 PM

R422 That would be cool!

by Anonymousreply 423November 28, 2021 6:37 PM

I hadn't realised the pay disparity between SJP and Kim, Kristin and Cynthia was so large! That just makes it worse - I think Cattrall had a right to be pissed.

by Anonymousreply 424November 28, 2021 7:00 PM

SJP is a cunt. I am glad Kim exposed her.

by Anonymousreply 425November 28, 2021 7:02 PM

How did they film this when NYC is nothing but rubble?

by Anonymousreply 426November 28, 2021 7:46 PM

Word on the street is around the time of LA Story, (could be off on my timeline) SJP got her tits done and it was a botch job that couldn't be repaired. So no nude scenes for her. And she's since done the "I'm too good for those" stance instead of being sad she couldn't hoist them out at the camera.

I've often wondered what happened. My best guess is our little chimney couldn't stop smoking which is a must before surgery, and ended up with necrosis of the nipple(s) Don't google that. Ew. Even bad keloids can be covered up with body makeup.

She had better get a handle on those ciggies soon, or having fucked up tits will be the least of her problems.

by Anonymousreply 427November 28, 2021 9:01 PM

SJP never bared her breasts, though. It would have been logical to do so in "LA Story" but she didn't.

by Anonymousreply 428November 28, 2021 9:04 PM

Never understood why people hated the Berger character so much. To me it was very realistic, he was very cute and the only way someone like Carrie could realistically bag a cute guy like that was if he had major personality flaws. Hot guys fuck homely girls all the time, they just treat them like dirt.

by Anonymousreply 429November 28, 2021 9:19 PM

I doubt her nipple necropolised. Those high beams are regularly in evidence.

by Anonymousreply 430November 28, 2021 9:22 PM

She still smokes? At her age? Yikes.

by Anonymousreply 431November 28, 2021 9:30 PM

[quote]Doing a Neil Simon play. Watch Kim do Noel Coward.

Ohhh Noel Coward, all 53 performances available at the TKTS half price booth.

by Anonymousreply 432November 28, 2021 9:52 PM

Is Noel Coward an awful playwright or is Kim Cattrall a limited actress or both?

by Anonymousreply 433November 28, 2021 9:55 PM

I could be wrong about the necrotic tissue,it was just my best guess as nearly everything else can be revised surgically or with makeup. Not much they can due for nude shots with no nipple though. To give the illusion of nipple through a tshirt for example, my costume design friend said they have nipple falsies (add to things I never needed to know) and they are used quite often. Especially when a woman has wonky nipples, but is wearing something clingy, they can be "corrected" using those. Same if your nips are too big and look "unseemly" or so tiny they have no profile at all.

by Anonymousreply 434November 28, 2021 9:57 PM

Ahem, *do

by Anonymousreply 435November 28, 2021 9:58 PM

Well if they were falsies the model name was Griffith Observatory.

by Anonymousreply 436November 28, 2021 9:59 PM

R60 And then the Parrot from Bareta vs Robert Blake.

by Anonymousreply 437November 28, 2021 10:12 PM

SJP was still very pretty throughout SATC’s run. There were times she looked better than others, but she was still very pretty. Kristen Davis was very pretty but had a bit of an unapproachable vibe to her. Kim was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 438November 29, 2021 10:40 AM

I found the Berger story line ridiculous. From memory he had a fiction book published whereas Carrie only had a collection of her articles published as a book. That hardly made them equals yet she acted like they were. Two writers together in relationship is very tricky, especially New York writers, because there is so much ego involved. But I blamed her more than him. And her hat was stupid.

by Anonymousreply 439November 29, 2021 11:57 AM

Her hats always were stupid. And that purse with the big fabric drape that she carried on the motor cycle. By that point in the show, she was a bit of a sight gag.

by Anonymousreply 440November 29, 2021 12:25 PM

R439, from what I recall, Carrie was a very successful columnist for a long time as well, and her book was very popular, whereas Berger’s second book flopped…or he hadn’t been able to write it (someone with a better memory than me feel free to chime in.). I actually think though that it was more that it was his perception that he wasn’t as successful, more so than it was fact.

by Anonymousreply 441November 29, 2021 12:26 PM

As the kept the door open for Samantha for season two, it would be great if she came back, and everyone ends up loving season two and hating season one.

If she refuses to come back, just recast her.

by Anonymousreply 442November 29, 2021 12:32 PM

R413, hey Della. I’m from WI too. Madison. NYC now. Where are you?

Agree, NYC was featured plenty. Surely mire time than Milwaukee got on Happy Days.

by Anonymousreply 443November 29, 2021 12:37 PM

R443 And much more than Friends which was also in NY.

by Anonymousreply 444November 29, 2021 12:49 PM

R443 here. mire=more. ^^^ Stupid tiny phone screen & keyboard.

by Anonymousreply 445November 29, 2021 12:56 PM

Hi, r443, about 40 miles west of Green Bay, a few miles north of 29. I went to school at the UW-Madison in the mid 90s and loved living there, EXCEPT, driving in Madison.

For example, more than once, I went around the same one-way block and street 4 times looking for the way out! It was scary. I started to look to see if Rod Serling was on corner talking into a TV monitor.

by Anonymousreply 446November 29, 2021 12:57 PM

I was watching Fatal Attraction the other night and realised that Glenn Close's character not only resembles SJP but is also a single woman in New York, admittedly without the friendships, but the parallels still struck me. Glenn's character was seen as threatening to the audience at the time because she was in her mid 30s and still single. By the time Carrie came around, this was seen as a sign of independence and applauded.

by Anonymousreply 447November 29, 2021 1:00 PM

She was threatening because she boiled a bunny.

by Anonymousreply 448November 29, 2021 3:13 PM

She was threatening because she had pancake titties.

by Anonymousreply 449November 29, 2021 4:52 PM

And that hair... crazy hair...

by Anonymousreply 450November 29, 2021 4:58 PM

She was threatening to the audience because she stalked her weekend fling, was mentally unstable and would not let go.

by Anonymousreply 451November 29, 2021 6:14 PM

R446, I know that area. A friend taught in Shawano (sp). I’ll look for your posts!

by Anonymousreply 452November 29, 2021 6:24 PM

I'm watching this show for the first time now on Hulu/HBO. Each show is only 24 minutes long. I'm assuming it aired without commercial breaks, so I don't understand why each episode wouldn't be 30 minutes long. After you skip the opening theme and closing credits, the show is just 20 minutes long. That's barely enough time for a story.

I'm halfway through Season 2, and I find Carrie and Big both dull and annoying as hell. Samantha is my favorite, followed by cynical Miranda.

by Anonymousreply 453December 1, 2021 5:08 PM

Make sure you're not watching the edited for regukar TV versions; not only are they shorter due to content cuts, scenes are sometimes inserted out of order. The original episodes fit within a 30-minute time frame but had differing runtimes, I believe, where some episodes might be 24 minutes while others 26 or 27. They aired on HBO so no commercials, which was another problem as the edited versions suddenly end scenes or cut dialogue within scenes to allow for commercial breaks that were never part of the show's structure.

by Anonymousreply 454December 1, 2021 8:54 PM

And they cut every time I said cock!

by Anonymousreply 455December 1, 2021 8:55 PM

Kristin's not so great figure.

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by Anonymousreply 456December 2, 2021 5:57 AM

And her "look of eternal surprise" facelift.

by Anonymousreply 457December 2, 2021 11:30 AM

[quote]Kristin's not so great figure.

Those are called "birthin' hips", Darling.

by Anonymousreply 458December 2, 2021 1:07 PM

Charlotte may have been sweet and chipper but she really was a social-climbing, status-seeking snob who gave up her "career" as soon as she bagged a rich man.

Marrying Harry was something of a character evolution for her except he's an incredibly rich lawyer. If he were a moderately successful guy she wouldn't have been interested.

And how the hell did Steve, who couldn't afford a suit, buy half a Manchattan bar?

by Anonymousreply 459December 2, 2021 1:33 PM

[quote]Those are called "birthin' hips", Darling.

Birthin' a nation...

by Anonymousreply 460December 2, 2021 2:19 PM

If Kristin Davis was playing a character more like the one she had on Melrose Place, I would find her tolerable.

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by Anonymousreply 461December 2, 2021 4:28 PM

Sick burns abound!

by Anonymousreply 462December 2, 2021 11:35 PM

The "Sex and the City" boss told THR that Kim Cattrall was "never" part of plans for the revival.

With a new chapter of the "Sex and the City" franchise around the corner, showrunner Michael Patrick King told The Hollywood Reporter that fan-favorite character Samantha (Kim Cattrall) was "never" going to be part of "And Just Like That."

"Kim Cattrall, for whatever reason, didn't want to play Samantha anymore while we were doing the [third] movie," King said. So, he never felt the hole that some fans are afraid will be ever-present in the revival.

by Anonymousreply 463December 3, 2021 2:31 AM

I'll repeat for the 10th time on here, most people have no idea of the distinctions between actors and agents when it comes to negotiating.

I guarantee Kim Cattrell's agents kept the HBO offers warm, meaning they probably overstated her potential interest in joining the reboot. Even when she was publicly saying she wouldn't be part of it, what happened between HBO and the agents is something we'll never know. But they're hollywood agents, they keep offers alive as long as possible. Cattrell said something like "I was pretty clear I had no interest in joining, i don't know why they keep coming back to me" while her agents were probably working that deal on a daily or weekly basis. Her agents would be looking at more money for one season than what they'll earn off Cattrell in the next 15 years without a return to the role.

Ive worked for actors who have dropped out of projects. The agents keep the deals alive as long as humanly possible, hoping the next conversation with the talent may convince them to do it (and for the agent to get a payday for talent who is otherwise unemployed). Drives producers crazy because they often believe the talent inching towards a "yes" when in reality, they've told their agents weeks ago that they have no intention of doing the movie.

by Anonymousreply 464December 3, 2021 3:38 AM

The opening scenes of And Just Like That reveal that Samantha ended her friendship with Carrie after she was terminated as her publicist.

SJP (Carrie) saying "I thought I was more to her than an ATM. I always thought the four of us would be friends forever."

by Anonymousreply 465December 9, 2021 11:15 PM

That was shitty thing to do to Kim’s character. Kim’s was always presented as very successful and independent.

Shame on the writers for doing that, it was a low blow

by Anonymousreply 466December 9, 2021 11:22 PM

[quote]And how the hell did Steve, who couldn't afford a suit, buy half a Manchattan bar?

Half a business loan is easier to get.

by Anonymousreply 467December 9, 2021 11:22 PM

Perhaps she should have asked for lots of money to do only one episode like Chris Noth.

by Anonymousreply 468December 9, 2021 11:23 PM

"Shame on the writers for doing that, it was a low blow"

Samantha is not Cattrall's character; Samantha belongs to the writers. And Cattrall wants nothing to do with the show. The writers could have gone low; having her move to the UK and live her best life is hardly the same as having her choke to death on jizz during a coke-fueled orgy or becoming an incontinent dementia case living locked away in a nursing home in South Florida. That would have been going low. But the show doesn't owe the character an exit that saves Cattrall's face.

by Anonymousreply 469December 10, 2021 1:58 AM

And just like that... people only still care about Kim and Samantha when it comes to this show.

They should have given Cattrall the moon.

by Anonymousreply 470December 10, 2021 3:05 AM

They gave the moon to Noth and he demanded that he only do 2 episodes and that they never call him again

Kim gives the literal definition of "you can't pay me enough to go back there"

by Anonymousreply 471December 10, 2021 3:42 AM

Is Chris Noth going rejoining the Law & Order re-boot? I cannot imagine him doing that, he's much older and quite overweight.

by Anonymousreply 472December 10, 2021 7:42 AM

Did he do a lot of running in the original L&O?

by Anonymousreply 473December 10, 2021 7:44 AM

George Dzunda and Paul Sorvino weren't exactly lightweights, R472. Noth looks fine,

by Anonymousreply 474December 10, 2021 8:19 AM

[quote]Did he do a lot of running in the original L&O?

He was in better shape, not the big lumbering blob he is these days.

He got FIVE million for looking like THIS?

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by Anonymousreply 475December 10, 2021 8:39 AM

Why do you think he was on the Peleton, R475?

by Anonymousreply 476December 10, 2021 11:42 AM

I saw an interview with him at a kind of red carpet event for the reboot and he couldn't even muster up any enthusiasm for the project there.

by Anonymousreply 477December 10, 2021 12:07 PM

Noth has been on Queen Latifah's execrable new show "The Equalizer." He barely moves, just stands in the shadows.

by Anonymousreply 478December 10, 2021 12:52 PM

He moves to Craft Services.

by Anonymousreply 479December 10, 2021 12:59 PM

Why did they subtitle the Todd Rungren song in Portuguese? Nothing else was subtitled in any language.

by Anonymousreply 480December 10, 2021 1:02 PM

Must have been your TV R480. I didn't see any subtitles.

by Anonymousreply 481December 10, 2021 4:32 PM

R481, no television. I was streaming it on HBO max.

And I checked the settings. When I turned on subtitles they were of the dialog in English. Not the song in Portuguese.

It was such a weird touch. I am sure it was an error at HBO.

by Anonymousreply 482December 10, 2021 5:43 PM

Yes - R480 - Same here. I thought maybe I had accidentally hit some Spanish subtitle thing (which would have taken effort). I totally forgot about that but was like WTF when I was watching it.

by Anonymousreply 483December 10, 2021 6:10 PM

“I don’t know how things worked in Manhattan, where Carrie lived, maybe magic is different there. Or maybe Carrie was fucking with our Charlotte, maybe she was sick of hearing Charlotte whine about her love life. Maybe there was something really wrong with Carrie, maybe she was something genuinely evil. But one day Carrie suggested that if Charlotte wanted her lover back, maybe her appearance was the problem, and she should try changing it?”

A chill settled over the group, where they lay on the sun-warm turf. Even Stanford knew that using magic to alter one’s physical appearance never ended well. In the world of magical theory it was a dead spot: something about the inextricable, recursive connection between your face and who you were—your soul, for lack of a better word—made it hellishly difficult and fatally unpredictable. When Stanford had first gotten to New York, he’d wondered why everybody didn’t just make themselves ridiculously good-looking. He’d looked at the kids with an obviously flawed feature—like Rose with her leg, or Lily with her twisted jaw—and wondered why they didn’t get somebody to fix them up, like Hermione with her teeth in Harry Potter. But in reality it always ended in disaster.

“Poor Charlotte,” Miranda said. “When she took down the spell that Carrie taught her through the fountain, she actually thought she’d found it, the secret technique everybody else had missed. It was elaborate and costly, but it really looked like it might work. After a few weeks of laying the groundwork, she put it together one night by herself in her room.

“How do you think she felt when she looked in the mirror and saw what she’d done to herself?” You could almost hear a note of genuine sympathy in Miranda’s hard voice. “I can’t imagine. I really can’t.”

by Anonymousreply 484December 10, 2021 7:26 PM

Anybody else notice there weren't a lot of extreme closeups?

by Anonymousreply 485December 10, 2021 9:11 PM

My friend is watching it currently, and she said: "I have a lot of thoughts!" but not much else so far, the little she did say didn't sound promising. I am probably still going to watch the first episode at least, but it's not like I'm excited for it. Even on the trailer, Kristin looks scary (which makes me a bit sad as she always seemed like quite a lovely woman). My friend did confirm Carrie is as annoying as ever.

by Anonymousreply 486December 10, 2021 10:24 PM

I think the mouth thing might be permanent.

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by Anonymousreply 487December 11, 2021 1:19 PM

Cynthia Nixon was promoting this on The View, which went as well as can be expected on that type of show where there are 5 hosts screaming their questions at her all at once. They talked a bit about the problems in the older series, which Nixon was really keen to say "yep and that's why we don't want to go back and do it the same way", but at one point Laverne Cox says Miranda's storyline with Dr Robert was "problematic". Was it? She dated him, then dumped him for Steve. I thought the well known "problematic" storyline around race was the earlier one with Samantha and the chef woman who didn't want Samantha dating her brother? Haha, I'm struggling to keep up:

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by Anonymousreply 488December 11, 2021 8:04 PM

R488 that's crazy, the only problem with Miranda and the Doctor was she idealising him for being so good looking.

by Anonymousreply 489December 11, 2021 11:16 PM

^the storyline that would've made me happier would've been Miranda staying with Robert and forging that life together, while keeping a good working relationship with Steve over raising their child together. A more "modern family" type arrangement.

by Anonymousreply 490December 11, 2021 11:42 PM

There was nothing problematic about their relationship. It also looked the Dr. had a thing for white chocolate based on the cheerleader he was eyeing that and the girls in the 3-way Steve interrupted after they broke up.

by Anonymousreply 491December 11, 2021 11:48 PM

I thought those girls in the three way were black, but then again, I struggle watching that scene because it makes me cringe, so who knows.

Dr Robert was hot, that's what I mainly remember. Is it problematic that I think that?

by Anonymousreply 492December 11, 2021 11:53 PM

I'm sure Samantha and Phoebe are having some memorable times in London.

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by Anonymousreply 493December 12, 2021 1:04 AM

[quote] Even on the trailer, Kristin looks scary (which makes me a bit sad as she always seemed like quite a lovely woman).

Thought she looked great, just 20 yeas older.

by Anonymousreply 494December 12, 2021 1:07 AM

There was nothing problematic about the relationship. Blair Underwood would probably not have agreed to play the role if he thought it was problematic.

Laverne Cox needs to shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 495December 12, 2021 1:08 AM

Noth returned only long enough to pick up a big check and then he got the hell out. The people left in that cast aren't in demand anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 496December 12, 2021 1:31 AM

Noth did scamper (or maybe it was a fast lumber) about a bit in a couple of Doctor Who episodes. One is series 11, and last year's festive special. His character was a Trumpian asshole.

by Anonymousreply 497December 12, 2021 1:37 AM

Can anyone fill a Brit in on who Laverne Cox is and did she explain why it was problematic? Did Cynthia agree?

by Anonymousreply 498December 12, 2021 1:51 AM

Laverne Cox is a trans actress, best known for Orange is the new Black. One does not disagree with LC's assessments of problematic, if one values one's acting career, so she probably did. Laverne is the Queen of the T.

by Anonymousreply 499December 12, 2021 1:58 AM

Thanks R499

Miranda was completely natural in her relationship with the Doctor. I don't recall any of the girls making any race-related remarks either apart from how good looking he was.

Did Laverne elaborate on what the problem was?

by Anonymousreply 500December 12, 2021 2:04 AM

I only know Blair Underwood from guest roles. My perception is that he tends to be play paper thin "Dream Guy" roles. Maybe Cox considers that problematic? Ion know.

by Anonymousreply 501December 12, 2021 9:25 AM

Yes R501 he played the same type of character on The New Adventures of Old Christine. I guess he's too pretty to play Denzel-like action movie roles. Did Cox finish high school? She sounds...limited.

by Anonymousreply 502December 12, 2021 2:06 PM

"Did Cox finish high school? She sounds...limited."

I AM LIMITED AND HOW DARE YOU MENTION IT, IN YOUR NON-LIMITED PRIVILEGE! BURN IN HELL!

by Anonymousreply 503December 13, 2021 1:26 AM

There was actually reverse racism in SATC in one the earlier seasons (2 or 3) when Samantha dates the brother of a hot, black restauranteur who owns a hot spot visited by the girls. She loved Samantha until...she dated her brother. Samantha had no problem with it, but the guy ultimately dumped her. The sister told her directly that she would never give her blessing to her brother dating a white girl and shoved Samantha. The brother didn't defend her and told Samantha he would never disrespect his sister wishes,

Laverne Cock, that is way more problematic than Miranda dating Blair Underwood.

by Anonymousreply 504December 13, 2021 6:29 AM

^Yeah, my understanding was that THAT was the storyline well known for being "problematic" when it came to race relations, not Miranda dating Robert. Laverne's comment is confusing.

There was an article recently where the journalist interviewed the actress who played the chef sister in the episode you mention, R504. She did say that she didn't think the storyline was the best, but mostly she was pretty thrilled at the fact she got to be on the show and she raved about how nice Cattrall was to her.

by Anonymousreply 505December 13, 2021 6:32 AM

Many black women consider any storylines of black men dating white women on TV to be offensive. It makes the dating pool smaller for them. For instance, on Greys Anatomy, Jesse Williams' character started dating exclusively black women when a new showrunner came on board (a white woman with a severe case of white guilt/saviour syndrome) You now see far fewer BM/WW now relationships on TV than a few years ago. They've gone from being taboo, to acceptable, then circled round to taboo again.

by Anonymousreply 506December 13, 2021 6:47 AM

[quote]Many black women consider any storylines of black men dating white women on TV to be offensive. It makes the dating pool smaller for them.

That is crazy. I actually think that's much more offensive, to be honest. Like really entitled. How can people try and limit who people fall in love with because of their own fucked up issues?

Is this just an American thing? I've not heard it at all in the countries I've lived. Interrracial relationships tend to be really common where I am now and where I've lived, and if anyone said that it was offensive they'd be looked at in horror as racists.

by Anonymousreply 507December 13, 2021 6:52 AM

[Quote] The sister told her directly that she would never give her blessing to her brother dating a white girl and shoved Samantha. The brother didn't defend her and told Samantha he would never disrespect his sister wishes,

That is ridiculous plotting and characterization.

by Anonymousreply 508December 13, 2021 12:10 PM

R488 I think that big fucking man in a wig sitting there trying to educate and control the whole room is problematic.

by Anonymousreply 509December 13, 2021 1:18 PM

Chris Noth wears a wig?

by Anonymousreply 510December 13, 2021 1:35 PM

Chris should wear a girdle too.

by Anonymousreply 511December 13, 2021 1:36 PM

Blair Underwood played the handsome school teacher, Mr. Daniel Harris, on The New Adventures of Old Christine.

Everyone was drooling over him, even Christine's ex-husband and her brother, who were both straight characters. Everyone had a pictures of Mr. Harris in their cells. It was a running joke how drool worthy Mr. Harris was.

Of course, it was not believable that so many attractive successful men wanted to be with Julia Louis-Dreyfus' Christine character. Christine was attractive but dumb as a box of frozen peas. Christine dated a guy who owned a winery, a psychiatrist and another was very wealthy.

by Anonymousreply 512December 13, 2021 1:43 PM

Are you a gay man?

by Anonymousreply 513December 13, 2021 1:52 PM

R510 Laverne Cock

by Anonymousreply 514December 13, 2021 2:17 PM

[quote]Of course, it was not believable that so many attractive successful men wanted to be with Julia Louis-Dreyfus' Christine character.

'The New Adventures of Old Christine" is officially the worst sitcom in modern history.

by Anonymousreply 515December 14, 2021 9:28 AM

These "Sex and the City" people sound like a spurned lover. It's pathetic that SJP can't move on from this one role.

by Anonymousreply 516December 14, 2021 9:43 AM
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