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Daily Beast: "Kamala Harris Is on Her Way to Becoming the Next Dan Quayle"

This Thanksgiving, the knives are out for Kamala Harris. This week, she became the first woman to serve as acting president, when power briefly transferred to her while Joe Biden was under anesthesia. Nevertheless, rumors are swirling that Biden won’t seek re-election (he and his team vehemently insist he will), and there’s growing concern that Harris—who has had more than her fair share of gaffes and missteps—lacks the political instincts to lead Democrats into the promised land.

Biden’s selection of Harris to be his running mate in 2020 made some political sense. She helped unite the party and balance the ticket. Indeed, they won. But in late 2021, Biden’s needs have shifted. The Virginia gubernatorial election, coupled with subsequent polling, suggests that many suburbanites are turning against a Democratic Party they perceive to be too progressive. At the same time, Biden faces serious challenges, including rising inflation, a border crisis, supply chain troubles, violent crime rates, and more.

The things he has tried to get help from Harris on, starting with immigration, have not panned out. In general, Harris’s performance has only contributed to the sense that this is an administration that isn’t quite ready for primetime. If Harris is the bridge to the future, that bridge isn’t holding its weight.

Kamala’s Marxist Tweet Was an Awfully Weird Closing Message

But is the criticism fair? During a recent discussion for Bloggingheads.TV, my friend Bill Scher, a liberal columnist for Washington Monthly and Real Clear Politics, reminded me that being vice president is a tough gig. As John Nance Garner famously quipped, the job isn’t worth a “warm bucket of spit.” You don’t want to overshadow the president, and you can’t really differ with him, so it’s almost, by definition impossible to look like a strong leader. You go to funerals. You get handed thankless projects. This is why, although veeps often ascend to the presidency (think LBJ or Gerald Ford), they generally aren’t elected to immediately succeed their boss.

The most recent exception was George H.W. Bush, who basically just won Ronald Reagan’s third term. But is he a helpful model? Sitting at a less than 40 percent approval rating (and Harris’s is lower than that), Biden doesn’t look to be in the same league as the Gipper. But if somehow things turn around the way they did for Reagan after coming through a recession and having a rough midterm election in 1982, Harris might be in a good position to try and replicate Bush’s feat in 2028.

But even in the highly unlikely event history were to repeat itself, it’s worth noting that Bush still had to fight for the Republican nomination in a fairly crowded 1988 primary, still had to overcome the “wimp” factor the media labeled him with, and still had to run an aggressively negative campaign against a less-than-charismatic Democratic opponent, all in order to defy history.

But that’s not Harris’s only challenge. Scher points out that there are basically two models for veeps. The first is an old D.C. hand who provides “insider” cred and experience to the ticket. The second is the inverse situation, where the president is the insider and the running mate balances the ticket by virtue of some other qualities, such as age, identity, or charisma.

In recent history, the former model has been much more common. Walter Mondale, Al Gore, George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Biden himself, and Mike Pence all had more D.C. experience than their respective principals.

This model also seems to be the better model, in terms of boosting the image of the vice president. In this scenario, the veep generally has built up lots of friends and contacts in the media and the bureaucracy. When the president slips up, other elites can fantasize about how much more competent and sane things would be if (fill in the blank) was running the show.

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by Anonymousreply 67December 11, 2021 8:10 PM

The most recent example of the Harris model was Dan Quayle. Now, in 2021, we can look at Quayle as the man who saved democracy by telling Mike Pence he didn’t have the power to refuse to certify Joe Biden’s electors. But for most of my life, Quayle has (unfairly, in my opinion) been a political punchline.

Quayle had been a rising star in the U.S. Senate prior to becoming Bush’s running mate. Even when Quayle sought the Republican nomination in his own right in 2000, his old boss’s formerly deadbeat son, “Dubya,” swooped in and took away the only card he really had to play: the notion that he was the next in line and rightfully 41’s heir apparent.

Since modern history offers a small sample size for this model of vice president, the other (similar) recent example is John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin. McCain, like Biden, had a ton of insider experience. What he needed was some youth and energy—and conservative cred to keep the base happy. So he picked Palin.

The point to all of this, of course, is that Kamala Harris is (a) in a job that is inherently thankless, and (b) represents a model of vice presidents that has historically not worked out well for the person occupying the position.

The deck is stacked against her. Further complicating things is the fact that her boss is seen as old and possibly on his way out the door, meaning the expectations for her to mature are high while the learning curve is steep.

While this might help you sympathize with her plight, it does not mean that Harris was a good pick—or that she is suited to inherit the mantle of leadership. Biden boxed himself in by promising to select a woman, which eliminated something like half of his options from the start. Harris has not had a long and distinguished career in the U.S. Senate, and her 2020 presidential campaign was lackluster.

Harris’s main problem strikes me as being mostly indescribable. It’s almost impossible to define why she turns so many people off. Yogi Berra, that great baseball philosopher, once had a line about how “If people don’t want to come out to the ballpark, nobody’s gonna stop ’em.” That may be the best way to sum up Harris’s fundamental problem. No matter how hard they try to package the Kamala product, people—including Democratic voters in the 2020 primary—just haven’t been buying what she’s selling.

Yes, I’m sure there are some racists and sexists who oppose her for those reasons. Generally, though, to the degree her identity harms her, it’s because people have high hopes for her to be a transformational leader. There is a lot of pressure on Harris to be this amazing historical figure, and that’s a lot to live up to.

In today’s media environment, it helps for a president to be a true political athlete, and it just may be that Harris—despite having been given so many opportunities to shine—just doesn’t have it.

This reminds me of the NFL, where having an “elite” franchise quarterback seems to be key to winning, and yet, the track record for identifying which college QBs will rise to the occasion seems to be mixed, at best. Harris is like one of these players. She showed flashes of brilliance on occasion, and there was a hope that with some time on the sidelines holding a clipboard, coupled with lots of practice and reps, she could mature into the future. For now, though, she’s starting to look like a bust. And some of the fans are already looking around for a better draft pick.

Maybe they’ll be proven wrong. As I’ve just described, there are a lot of obstacles in her way. These obstacles could be obscuring our vision. But I wouldn’t bet on it. If Kamala Harris is the last, best hope for the Democrats, the last obstacle standing between us and another Trump presidency—and she may be—then God help us.

by Anonymousreply 1November 24, 2021 8:37 PM

The Daily Beast really seems to have it in for Kamala.

Perhaps they'd prefer Mike Pence?

Assholes.

by Anonymousreply 2November 24, 2021 8:37 PM

This is why that blog is flailing. Kamala is doing a great job.

by Anonymousreply 3November 24, 2021 8:40 PM

If that’s the case than looks like Trump will win in 24.

by Anonymousreply 4November 24, 2021 8:53 PM

[quote] there’s growing concern that Harris—who has had more than her fair share of gaffes and missteps—lacks the political instincts to lead Democrats into the promised land.

Yes it is 𝒔𝒉𝒆 making the gaffes and missteps

by Anonymousreply 5November 24, 2021 9:04 PM

Historically most VP's have not been elected president. The United States is not going to elect a woman, much less a nonwhite woman.

by Anonymousreply 6November 24, 2021 9:08 PM

Quayle was hawt!

by Anonymousreply 7November 24, 2021 9:14 PM

Yup! DanDan was the perfect hate fuck fantasy of Bush1. Kinda cute, earnest, and dumb as a box of rocks.

by Anonymousreply 8November 24, 2021 9:18 PM

Potatoe, Potahtoe.

by Anonymousreply 9November 24, 2021 9:18 PM

Blah blah blah. It always about the president, never the VP. So ignore

by Anonymousreply 10November 24, 2021 9:19 PM

After he left the presidency his mannish wife dismissed rumors of Quayle's having a mistress by joking "Anyone who knows Dan knows he's more interested in golf than in sex."

Dan may have been the only former president or vice president in pay a visit to the newly elected Trump prior to his inauguration.

by Anonymousreply 11November 24, 2021 9:27 PM

The author is, of course, a conservative journalist and commentator. The right is working really, really hard to make "Kamala is floundering" happen.

I read the whole thing and he doesn't actually give one single example of all her supposed "gaffes or missteps" or cite any evidence that she "turns so many people off." How about some examples, even one? It's almost as if he senses this when he writes that "it's almost indescribable" to try to explain why she is (supposedly) so widely disliked.

What is going on here? It's almost impossible to not see the veil of both sexism and racism in an approach like this.

by Anonymousreply 12November 24, 2021 9:33 PM

queen

by Anonymousreply 13November 24, 2021 9:38 PM

[quote] The author is, of course, a conservative journalist and commentator

And The Daily Beast is a progressive website that seems to want to send that message. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 14November 24, 2021 9:38 PM

[quote]I read the whole thing and he doesn't actually give one single example of all her supposed "gaffes or missteps" or cite any evidence that she "turns so many people off." How about some examples, even one?

Here's one for you.

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by Anonymousreply 15November 24, 2021 9:45 PM

She's really just not likeable. She doesn't have "it", and she comes across as fake and phony. It might not be fair or make sense, but that's the reality of how she strikes many people. Hillary suffered from the same problem.

by Anonymousreply 16November 24, 2021 9:46 PM

Sure Vlad!

by Anonymousreply 17November 24, 2021 9:47 PM

Kamala will do better than fine. Just wait and see.

by Anonymousreply 18November 24, 2021 9:48 PM

Ever read the book? I did.

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by Anonymousreply 19November 24, 2021 9:49 PM

Very true, she and Hils both suffer from haughty bitch syndrome. Very unlikable.

by Anonymousreply 20November 24, 2021 9:50 PM

She's not a good campaigner, and she can't think on her feet AT ALL when she's asked a spontaneous question by a reporter. She does okay in debates.

by Anonymousreply 21November 24, 2021 9:53 PM

The article was brutal. And yet, it was true.

by Anonymousreply 22November 24, 2021 10:02 PM

Have the gay Yaaass Queen, Slay Queen types come out in her defense yet like they came out in defense of Hillary?

by Anonymousreply 23November 24, 2021 10:26 PM

Right-wingers always have to have a female "boogey man."

First it was Hillary, then Elizabeth Warren, then AOC and "The Squad," and now Kamala.

They know it plays well with MAGAT Deplorables.

And "the cackle." They always have to mention how the female cackles.

It's such a tired trope.

by Anonymousreply 24November 24, 2021 10:59 PM

Wow, calling a top female politician unlikable. How unpredictable and fresh. How strange they all get that label eventually.

by Anonymousreply 25November 24, 2021 11:14 PM

[quote] She's really just not likeable. She doesn't have "it", and she comes across as fake and phony. It might not be fair or make sense, but that's the reality of how she strikes many people. Hillary suffered from the same problem.

You mean she doesn’t have a penis (and she’s not white).

by Anonymousreply 26November 24, 2021 11:27 PM

R24 The difference is that she actually DOES cackle.

by Anonymousreply 27November 24, 2021 11:32 PM

She also doesn't have a cute family to parade around like Obamas did.

by Anonymousreply 28November 24, 2021 11:33 PM

[quote] She also doesn't have a cute family to parade around like Obamas did.

I'm cute, you asshole!

I'm a goddamned model!

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by Anonymousreply 29November 24, 2021 11:36 PM

At least with Amazing Amy you know she's a bitch and would kick ass. Kamala, don't really see it.

by Anonymousreply 30November 25, 2021 12:54 AM

Clickbait that doesn’t list Harris’s supposed “gaffes” or liken her to Dan Quayle in any, unique way.

She’s nothing like Dan Quayle.

by Anonymousreply 31November 25, 2021 12:57 AM

R12 nails it. The Republicants are desperate to make this meme happen. San Franciscans and Californians know what the rest of the country (non-Troglodytes) are discovering: she is worthy and competent. OP is a thirsty, brain damaged, Log Cabin Quisling. Here is to the grey out to come…Muriel?

by Anonymousreply 32November 25, 2021 1:02 AM

Not even the first person of color or first mixed race person to serve as Vice President, bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 33November 25, 2021 1:34 AM

[quote] She’s nothing like Dan Quayle.

Yeah, because Quayle was able to win his home state primary. Harris couldn't even win the California primary.

by Anonymousreply 34November 25, 2021 1:39 AM

I just hope Joe Biden will do a second term, once he's won he can step back and let his amazing staff run the show and then in 2028 it's back to square one. Either Kamala will get her act together or it's over for her presidential ambitions. I'm all for experienced oldies like Joe and Nancy, they get more stuff done than the loud mouthed youngsters.

by Anonymousreply 35November 25, 2021 2:42 AM

Presidents can't just sit back in their easy chair and watch ESPN all day.

by Anonymousreply 36November 25, 2021 5:08 AM

[quote] Presidents can't just sit back in their easy chair and watch ESPN all day.

True. Sometimes you have to turn the channel over to Murder She Wrote and Matlock

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by Anonymousreply 37November 25, 2021 5:57 AM

She’s been a disappointment

by Anonymousreply 38November 25, 2021 6:03 AM

Poor Kampala.

by Anonymousreply 39November 25, 2021 3:37 PM

[Quote]Very true, she and Hils both suffer from haughty bitch syndrome. Very unlikable.

Will you only be pleased with the character of a smart woman as POTUS, if, and only if, they convert the Oval Office into a kitchen, walk around barefoot and wear an apron to security briefings?

by Anonymousreply 40November 26, 2021 1:11 PM

[quote] She’s been a disappointment

How so?

by Anonymousreply 41November 26, 2021 6:06 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 42December 5, 2021 8:34 PM

If Dems are turning against Biden because he's becoming "too progressive," dumping middle-of-the-road Harris isn't a solution. People who think like this are wishful-thinking morons.

Apparently something Datalounge can't do without!

by Anonymousreply 43December 5, 2021 8:45 PM

Shocker - written by that hack Matt Lewis.

by Anonymousreply 44December 5, 2021 11:18 PM

Peggy Noonan then suggests Harris ditch relying “on her sense of her own personal charisma” and “decide to become serious” by digging into the issues and studying here briefing books.

Noonan concluded, that Harris should embrace earnestness and humble herself:

Let them say you look chastened: People would be relieved to see you look chastened. Let them snidely suggest you had previously hidden your serious side. You did. Let them say you’ve been humbled. You should be. So far you’ve got a lot to be humble about.

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by Anonymousreply 45December 11, 2021 4:42 AM

With ask the important news that is going uncovered, why do they publish bullshit articles like this?

by Anonymousreply 46December 11, 2021 4:47 AM

One difference between Quayle and Harris is people thought he was stupid and incompetent but didn’t just dislike him. The polls suggest Harris is viewed as incompetent and is personally disliked.

by Anonymousreply 47December 11, 2021 4:47 AM

The media is setting up for another trump comeback. I'm surprised at all the negativity surrounding this administration. I didn't expect this, really.

by Anonymousreply 48December 11, 2021 5:08 AM

What a load of shit.

Just more baseless, irrational, sexist, and racist attacks against the first Black Woman Vice President. It's clearly a bunch of orchestrated hit jobs.

by Anonymousreply 49December 11, 2021 5:17 AM

You heard of the "liberal" media for four plus years...in reality, I think it's the opposite.

by Anonymousreply 50December 11, 2021 5:19 AM

Orchestrated hit jobs perhaps but not on Trump's behalf. Peggy has been an unswerving democrat as are most of the other Kamala media critics.

by Anonymousreply 51December 11, 2021 5:22 AM

Completely agree, R50. Corporate ownership that doesn’t want to questioned or threatened.

by Anonymousreply 52December 11, 2021 5:22 AM

Fucking Willie Brown was her most desperate attempt. It did not work out in the big leagues.

by Anonymousreply 53December 11, 2021 5:27 AM

Oh dear. The dc/NYC media has officially exhausted their Hilary hate and are now creaming their pants at the thought of creating a New Hilary. Prepare yourself for about a thousand articles a week in publications like the NYT and the New Republic discussing how hated Kamala is among Joe and Jane average. How she is " unrelatable" and " cold" and rubs people the wrong way, blah blah blah. I'm just surprised that they didn't ask Roger Stones opinion.

by Anonymousreply 54December 11, 2021 5:41 AM

*be questioned* sorry.

by Anonymousreply 55December 11, 2021 5:42 AM

She just is not a superstar political athlete. She doesn't have it. She's not stupid but politically, she has not been able to align herself with savvy advisors who tell her what to do and for her to follow that advice effectively. Getting elected San Francisco DA is about the only savviness she has shown in politics. It's not nothing. But she's basically failed upwards since, including her first race for CA Attorney General where she ran behind the entire Democratic ticket and won in a squeaker by like 1 or 2%.

There was no real race for Senate, other than the inside baseball where she was basically anointed by Democratic fundraisers and political insiders. And then Biden was boxed into picking her, which might have been the right move since they won. But His pick was announced in the only 3 months in modern history where Val Demmings or Keisha Bottoms wouldn't have been more desirable candidates. They both have a gravitas Harris lacks and a whole lot of administrative political experience Harris also lacks. It was just the wrong time to pick a former cop or a mayor who's city was on fire.

by Anonymousreply 56December 11, 2021 7:41 AM

[quote]I'm surprised at all the negativity surrounding this administration. I didn't expect this, really.

At what point didn't you expect it? Before they took power?

by Anonymousreply 57December 11, 2021 7:46 AM

I think the problem is people had high hopes for her, and she’s been a bit of a disappointment. She seems in over her head and seems like she’s getting bad advice from the people around her.

by Anonymousreply 58December 11, 2021 9:50 AM

I didn't expect this kind of continuous criticism from the media...yes, from repubs and FOX (that was expected). Biden isn't perfect, but has worked hard and is much better than trump could ever be. I don't particularly like Kamala, never did, even before she became VP. Vice Presidents are usually in the background and don't hear about them much in other administrations. I like that things have quieted down and a lot less drama. I don't think I've heard one good thing from mainstream media...makes me think they want to help tank Biden and 2022 elections. Democrats need to stop being so weak, but that's been rehashed many times on this site...other threads and comments.

by Anonymousreply 59December 11, 2021 12:24 PM

She's the biggest disappointment to hit the streets since the AMC Pacer.

by Anonymousreply 60December 11, 2021 1:59 PM

It doesn’t matter. She will always have bragging rights for being the first female VP. And technically, she was POTUS for about 30 minutes when old Joe had his operation. And she may get the job permanently because sometimes old Joe looks like he’s about to croak.

by Anonymousreply 61December 11, 2021 2:06 PM

The media decided to shit on Biden the minute he pulled out of Afghanistan. Lots of government contractor money and journalism careers were ruined as a result. You can pinpoint the shift in negative stories from that point on. It's why Biden has had to make it up to them with the massive military/defense budget that was passed this year, in spite of all of the whining from the reich about "inflation." Taking on "the blob" is tough, but you would think, considering Trump is the one who set us up for the withdrawal in the first place, that they'd be careful about aiding his possibly permanent return to power. It seems, however, they aren't thinking beyond today's headlines. They may not realize it, but a dictator doesn't have to answer to the press, something they seem to forget in their desire to memory hole the coup attempt on January 6th. I personally think Biden has fucked up in a lot of areas where the media chooses not to cover it, but their hawkishness is the real reason why they have been so down on him lately. Being against war is bad for business in 'Merica.

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by Anonymousreply 62December 11, 2021 2:19 PM

Democrats win when they run insurgent campaigns against the party establishment. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama are all examples. Johnson and Biden are the only two long term politicians who've been elected. Even Truman was a wild card choice when FDR dumped the left leaning Henry Wallace-who then proceeded to run as a third party candidate from the left.

The electorate loves democratic ideas and policies in the abstract but has always been suspicious of those deeply embedded in the machinery of government. I suspect this will happen again in 2024. A new fresh face will emerge disrupting the expected left-center cat fight. If not it will be another Kerry, McGovern, Gore, etc.

by Anonymousreply 63December 11, 2021 4:53 PM

When she was a Senator asking questions during hearings, I thought she was tough and she would make a great Vice President. When she became VP and Biden gave her the border issue to handle, I thought "great, you go girl and show us what you can accomplish." And then nothing. Many of her most ardent supporters who became her staff members are leaving her too. That's doesn't bode well. Something is not right with Harris. Has she lost her way?

by Anonymousreply 64December 11, 2021 4:58 PM

Poor Kamala is a victim of the Peter Principle. She’s sucked the highest peter and can’t go any higher.

by Anonymousreply 65December 11, 2021 5:43 PM

Jussie Smollett was a big part of her problems. People realized she was a pandering idiot.

by Anonymousreply 66December 11, 2021 5:59 PM

Val Demings and Stacey Abrams would have been better pics. Amy Klobuchar would have been the best choice, but unfortunately she's white.

by Anonymousreply 67December 11, 2021 8:10 PM
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