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Marlene Dietrich

Any senior DL'ers recall seeing this special when they were young gay'uns?

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by Anonymousreply 117December 1, 2021 12:53 AM

I love Dietrich.

Is this the era her daughter said she was being held together by wires on a stand under her fur coat cause she was so drunk?

by Anonymousreply 1November 24, 2021 1:54 AM

She's a regular Jeanne Durand, sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 2November 24, 2021 2:07 AM

A decade ago I showed Dietrich's Bacharach show to my straight adult brother who was fascinated and started watching her movies, too. Here's an upscaled version.

The show works on many different levels and is sublimely professional show biz artistry. The levels include monstrous and pathos but those are just thrown into the mix.

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by Anonymousreply 3November 24, 2021 2:35 AM

"Oh boy, she's going to come out looking great..."

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by Anonymousreply 4November 24, 2021 2:44 AM

I remember seeing that special and I had seen her live on Broadway shortly before that.

by Anonymousreply 5November 24, 2021 2:47 AM

R5, did you ever meet Coolidge when he was president?

by Anonymousreply 6November 24, 2021 2:48 AM

Better, OP. I saw her 1972 concert in person...in Denver.

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by Anonymousreply 7November 24, 2021 2:52 AM

[quote] she was being held together by wires on a stand under her fur coat cause she was so drunk

No. Her skinny bones were riddled with osteoporosis. The wires held up her wizened teats.

I don't wish to be rude about the elderly but English octogenarians such as Maggie Smith and Vanessa Redgrave don't display themselves in a pseudo-sexy charade the way that poor, raddled Marlene did.

by Anonymousreply 8November 24, 2021 2:55 AM

That was seriously amazing. Thank you, OP

by Anonymousreply 9November 24, 2021 2:58 AM

R7 Linking is so difficult

by Anonymousreply 10November 24, 2021 2:59 AM

Young Marlene was sensual but not striking. In this perfectly restored 1927 silent pic, some of the men are prettier than she is.

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by Anonymousreply 11November 24, 2021 3:00 AM

So a “concert” of someone basically talking? Even if I’m curious to see Dietrich, 30 seconds of that was too much. Painful.

by Anonymousreply 12November 24, 2021 3:06 AM

Judy was fabulous in that clip.

by Anonymousreply 13November 24, 2021 3:09 AM

R12 Probably because you're used to Real Housewives of Jersey

by Anonymousreply 14November 24, 2021 3:09 AM

One has to be a bit of pervert to appreciate Dietrich. And have some show biz culture.

by Anonymousreply 15November 24, 2021 3:10 AM

[quote] One has to be a bit of pervert to appreciate Dietrich.


by Anonymousreply 16November 24, 2021 3:14 AM

Sounds like late life Dietrich is a role Glenn could actually sing.

Get my agent on the phone.

by Anonymousreply 17November 24, 2021 3:17 AM

She was the embodiment of Golden Age Hollywood glamour. In 1972 she was still able to pull that off on stage (and not in close-up) and doing all of the tortuous things she did to maintain the illusion. You knew it was all illusion but it didn't matter. She was magical. I mean...it was Marlene friggin' Dietrich!

by Anonymousreply 18November 24, 2021 3:21 AM

She is why I wish I was older. I am obsessed with people like her, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, etc. - all very different, but all just magical.

by Anonymousreply 19November 24, 2021 3:27 AM

I can tell a lot. As I've written here before, I've had Marlene's drunken tongue down my throat.

In the attic of a theatre, I also came across the negotiations for one of her tours, and also the stage manager's notes of each performance. She considered her exit from the stage door into her Daimler part of the act, and there was a typewritten document stating that ushers were instructed at intermission to talk amongst themselves loudly, saying: "Isn't it marvellous the way Miss Dietrich greets patrons at the stage door after the show..." I shit you not.

A theatre manager, now long dead of AIDS, told me that the greatest ovation he ever witnessed in a theatre was in Dietrich's tour in 1962. He said that the curtain went up, and Dietrich was standing behind a second spangled scrim curtain, just a shadow, standing side on, but with her legs astride, a light shining behind her. He said you could see the shadow of her legs through her dress right up to her twat. The scrim curtain slowly opened, but she held the other side of it in front of her with an outstretched arm, while the other side of the curtain drew fully back. He said people were screaming and practically falling out the boxes. And this was opening night with patrons in jewels and a Vice Regal party. At the very last minute she let go of the curtain and it flew back revealing herself. A fantastic coup de theatre.

Of course, when she toured 10 years later she was practically a mannequin: it was act of a will. The musical arrangements of her sometime lover Burt Bacharach were genius: they wrapped round her minor voice and were the making of it.

by Anonymousreply 20November 24, 2021 3:28 AM

I'm the bitch who stole her act.

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by Anonymousreply 21November 24, 2021 3:36 AM

So great, so camp, so utterly bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 22November 24, 2021 3:38 AM

Marlene could sing. She had complete control. She was an "intérprete" - a respected tradition and she was great at it in 3 languages.

by Anonymousreply 23November 24, 2021 3:47 AM

A chanteuse...if you will.

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by Anonymousreply 24November 24, 2021 3:49 AM

Marie Marie is more famous in her French version but her German version is perfect.

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by Anonymousreply 25November 24, 2021 3:50 AM

Also what comes out is how German language can be charming and even pretty - nowadays few people know that.

by Anonymousreply 26November 24, 2021 3:53 AM

She enters...

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by Anonymousreply 27November 24, 2021 3:56 AM

Her daughter Maria Riva's biography of Dietrich is the best written biography of any Hollywood star.

by Anonymousreply 28November 24, 2021 4:00 AM

True, r28. It is an amazing book.

A few years after this concert Dietrich retired and became a total recluse, never leaving her Paris apartment.

by Anonymousreply 29November 24, 2021 7:24 AM

What's the best Marlene movie, DL?

by Anonymousreply 30November 24, 2021 12:50 PM

La la la la la la la...

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by Anonymousreply 31November 24, 2021 1:35 PM

This recording of her show was not released at the time. She was paid a small fortune to record it and chose Wimbledon theatre because the acoustics are supposedly the best. When she finally saw it she refused to let it be released. The ‘magic’ that came over in her live performances didn’t come across in this recording and she knew it so she vetoed it completely. Not sure if she gave the money back.£250.000 was the sum often quoted, A huge sum at the time. so we fans at the time didn’t get to see it until years later. Wish I’d never watched it. Shrewd lady and so right. it’s fucking awful! I saw her live 3 times. By the time I saw her in 74 it was well overdue to call it a day. The dense pink lights, the wig, Throwing that fucking coat around like a duvet. All looks like bad drag. Still love her, a style icon like no other but that concert recording should have been buried without trace.

by Anonymousreply 32November 24, 2021 5:40 PM

...some kind of man

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by Anonymousreply 33November 24, 2021 5:43 PM

Our mother, an icy number, took us to see Miss Marlene when she did a concert in our hometown Chicago.

Even as a young girl, I knew that the auditorium was full of sisters. While Marlene sang "Till There Was You," I tried to get the attention of the man across the aisle, hoping we could lure him back to the bathroom to sample his meat and let him touch our no-no. But our nosy mother, probably just angry that she hadn't had a drink in 30 minutes, slapped our hand away when she saw us toying with our left nipple as we licked our teeth for the hot gentleman. Mother, always competitive, was just angry that the hot number her age was interested in us.

We spend the rest of the concert plotting mother's deserved death so didn't pay attention to the Kraut on the stage. We had looked forward to seeing her because she was German. But when we discovered that she had hated real Germans, we lost interest and devoted our lives to Peggy--after Saint Judy, of course.

by Anonymousreply 34November 24, 2021 6:27 PM

[quote] devoted our lives to Peggy

The lovely Peggy Ashcroft.

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by Anonymousreply 35November 24, 2021 8:26 PM

"Marlene MIGHT do it. But she looks far too young." - Noel Coward

by Anonymousreply 36November 24, 2021 10:06 PM

The Lady is Willing is fun. Dietrich attempts a Teutonic Lombard performance. The writer gives her lots of 'R's and Aline MacMahon is her usual wonderful self.

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by Anonymousreply 37November 25, 2021 2:09 AM

I noticed that Destry was on tonight. Unfortunately it's the 1954 version with...Mari Blanchard.

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by Anonymousreply 38November 25, 2021 2:30 AM

OP is that how old white women rap?

by Anonymousreply 39November 25, 2021 2:59 AM

"Is it twue what they say about black men??? IT'S TWUE, IT'S TWUE!!!"

by Anonymousreply 40November 25, 2021 3:14 AM

She's pooped...

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by Anonymousreply 41November 25, 2021 3:17 AM

R37 Young Fred looks as young and sexy as Ryan Reynolds in that clip.

His cleft chin was enormous.

by Anonymousreply 42November 25, 2021 3:19 AM

Other than Marlene being a great face for photography I don't get the fascination with her. She wasn't a thespian, wasn't a singer. They made a career out of her face, her legs and whatever clothes she was wearing.

by Anonymousreply 43November 25, 2021 3:23 AM

From Marlene Dietrich's A*B*C...

Greenland...Should be named Iceland (see Iceland)

Iceland...Should be named Greenland (see Greenland)

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by Anonymousreply 44November 25, 2021 3:23 AM

And yet she made many movies and recordings and concert/nightclub appearances, r43. Have a piece of fruit.

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by Anonymousreply 45November 25, 2021 3:27 AM

[quote] She wasn't a thespian, wasn't a singer. They made a career out of her face, her legs and whatever clothes she was wearing.

You say "They made a career out of her". She made a career out of herself. She had meagre talents but—

1. she was knowledgeable about clothes and lighting and presentation 2. she was pushy and aggressive and initiated those two movies with Wilder 3. she was European and made a bridge with European artistic talents (like Chanel, Cocteau and Gabin) with the US industry.

by Anonymousreply 46November 25, 2021 3:34 AM

George Burns) Run along now Gracie you can leave Marlene and me alone

Gracie Allen) I don't know if I like that?

Marlene) Neither do I. What would I do if he collapsed?

by Anonymousreply 47November 25, 2021 3:56 AM

I think she was a great actress and millions of ticket buyers once thought so too. Its very easy for today's ingrates to dismiss what they know nothing about and can't appreciate.

by Anonymousreply 48November 25, 2021 5:18 AM

By the way, not only was she a great artist and the consummate professional about it, she was a fine person and had terrific character. She had a lot of charisma.

by Anonymousreply 49November 25, 2021 5:20 AM

After reading this thread, I think I'm falling in love with her again. I can't help it.

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by Anonymousreply 50November 25, 2021 5:23 AM

[quote] falling in love with her again

My infatuation lasted 3 weeks when I was in my 20s.

But Marlene 'wore out her welcome'; Greta disappeared like a wraith and continues to fascinate.

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by Anonymousreply 51November 25, 2021 5:28 AM

Marlene became "box office poison" early in her career, soon after her meteoric rise to international stardom. Kind of like Jennifer Lawrence. Marlene then continued to work for decades, branching out to a cabaret career as well. She eventually did her finish acting work long after her brief ability to open and headline movie hits. I don't think that is wearing out a welcome. She was pretty classy through her life and career and didn't make a point of being a bitch or a snob or a social climber, or any of that bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 52November 25, 2021 5:34 AM

oops * her finest acting work.

by Anonymousreply 53November 25, 2021 5:35 AM

I didn't like her making a public fool of herself over that bald man and that angry Englishman.

by Anonymousreply 54November 25, 2021 5:53 AM

I thought Jessica Lange's circus mistress on AHS was pure 1930's Marlene. And well done!

by Anonymousreply 55November 25, 2021 6:12 AM

She had circus looks in her act

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by Anonymousreply 56November 25, 2021 6:16 AM

She looked chic doing it. Madonna ripped it off many times but never well.

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by Anonymousreply 57November 25, 2021 6:17 AM

She was more a presence than great actress, r48.

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by Anonymousreply 58November 25, 2021 4:33 PM

You are splitting hairs. She was economical but there was acting going on. She carried movies effortlessly, occasionally. She gave great performances many times, not a one or 2 trick pony, like Sharon Stone, for example.

by Anonymousreply 59November 25, 2021 5:46 PM

I didn't say she was a bad actress, I said she was more of a presence than a great actress. I'd say the same about Garbo...or Streisand.

by Anonymousreply 60November 25, 2021 9:02 PM

MD in Australia 1965

Basically the same show but in b&w which always worked better for Marlene

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by Anonymousreply 61November 26, 2021 10:16 PM

[quote] She was the embodiment of Golden Age Hollywood glamour.

Glamour existed before Hollywood and it can cope very well without the sharks of La La Land and Los Angeles.

Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that Paramount wanted a duplicate of Garbo to sell to the masses. Paramount paid Dietrich and Von Sternberg to take up a contract for eight films and after that she was let loose.

She had no contract so she wandered to France to make a French-language film with Jean Gabin (who most of us would consider ugly) and then she was in Britain doing 'Knight without Armour opposite Robert Donat (who was already looking like a stuffed tabby-cat) and then the war came and she did cabaret appearances for the troops.

But after that she was on the loose again showing off her skinny shanks in a rather tacky production about gypsies called 'Kismet' or 'Golden Earrings' with old Ray Milland and she was off freelance again. She was offered a role opposite Stewart Granger in a baroque film in England about 1948 and two years later she was in England getting second billing to dreary Jane Wyman for Hitchcock.

She initiated two projects with Billy Wilder (the second of which was capable 'Witness for the Prosecution) and then she was off wandering around again and —under the influence of Noel Coward who reinvigorated his career in Las Vegas cabaret— she tried to invite her flagging career with similarly rather-tacky cabaret.

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by Anonymousreply 62November 26, 2021 11:24 PM

[quote]Correct me if I’m wrong but my understanding is that Paramount wanted a duplicate of Garbo to sell to the masses. Paramount paid Dietrich and Von Sternberg to take up a contract for eight films and after that she was let loose.

Greta Garbo was a movie fan favorite, and every rival studio imported and groomed their very own foreign-born contract player to duplicate the Garbo mystique. Marlene Dietrich came closest to matching Garbo in popularity, but she did it by establishing her own unique persona and style. While Garbo specialized in playing doomed and hopeless romantics, Dietrich's characters were frequently bold and transgressive, preferring a quick roll in the hay before surrendering to romance. But by the late '30s, with the world at war, America's interest in mysterious foreign beauties with Teutonic accents had waned.

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by Anonymousreply 63November 27, 2021 1:06 AM

[quote] every rival studio imported and groomed their very own foreign-born contract player

I guess that includes Hedy Lamarr, Vera Zorina and Anna Sten.

by Anonymousreply 64November 27, 2021 1:12 AM

[quote] I guess that includes Hedy Lamarr

It’s Hedley!

by Anonymousreply 65November 27, 2021 1:15 AM

Curiously, Marlene's own studio, Paramount, tried to strike twice by signing the "Italian Marlene Dietrich," Isa Miranda.

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by Anonymousreply 66November 27, 2021 2:20 AM

Fuck you r60...GARBO is a Goddess. ..and a terrific actress. Ninotchka, Camille, etc...

by Anonymousreply 67November 27, 2021 3:22 AM

Don't trash Jean Gabin either! He was actually "ugly hot," unlike that Pete troll. Super sexy and charismatic guy in his prime.

by Anonymousreply 68November 27, 2021 3:26 AM

[quote] Jean Gabin … Super sexy and charismatic…

How can I experience some of that? Can you recommend any particular movies?

by Anonymousreply 69November 27, 2021 3:46 AM

I found her laugh...forced, r67.

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by Anonymousreply 70November 27, 2021 3:55 AM

[quote] She wasn't a thespian, wasn't a singer. They made a career out of her face, her legs and whatever clothes she was wearing.

She was to film what Sade is to music.

They both have/had a captivating presence and a limited, but genuine, gift. They both tirelessly work a very small sliver of material and deliver/ed time and time again. They know what worked for them.

by Anonymousreply 71November 27, 2021 3:56 AM

R69 Jean Renoir’s The Lower Depths + Grand Illusion + Le Bete Humaine. Le Jour Se Leve, Pepe Le Moko, You either get it or don’t. He’s certainly not Rock Hudson but he’s not dismissible as a standard uggo. This was back when actors had to have charisma, talent, personality (much like Marlene herself did, who I never found conventionally attractive either but quite sexy)

by Anonymousreply 72November 27, 2021 4:09 AM

Dietrich was like a walking instagram account who photobombed almost a whole century.

I don´t think i´ve ever seen a stylish frock ore outfit that Marlene hasn´t worn decades before.

Her friendslist: Ernest Hemingway, Jean Cocteau, Edith Piaf, Erich Maria Remarque, Alberto Giacometti,Billy Wilder,Orson Wells,Tallulah Bankhead;etc

Probably the most perfect film technician who ever "acted" in front of a movie camera with the precision of a swiss clockwork.

Her seven films with Josef von Sternberg are a stange oddity in movie history to me but i like to watch them over and over again . Just for the refined , skillfull,loving lightning to begin with.

To hold an audiences attention for an hour "doing nothing" / sprechsinging takes charisma,power and talent.

Trained in all fields of showbiz in the roaring 20ies of Berlin, Movie Godess Diva in the early 30ies she rebranded herself by hopping of the pedastal and beating the shit out of Una Merkel in Destry Rides Again.

What followed was a long list of bad movies for the money (her words) but always making sure at least the look of Dietrich was fun ;intresting ore camp crazy (the golden legs "dance" in Kismet)

Off to WW II in a custom fit uniform and a practial goldfrock ( iron-free so she could roll it up and use as cushion) . The second most famous german at the time saying fuck you to Hitler. Danke Marlene!

When she went Vegas to do a cabaret act in the 50ies in her nude dresses it were the legion of soldiers she entertained who flocked there to see their gal and gave her a start as chanteuse. Being a "whore" can pay off, no? "Whore" being used with irony as Marlene only had a massive eye-roll for those "gawd-awfull boring american puritans".

She gave some solid performances in her 50ies for Billy Wilder, Hitchcock and Orson Wells and her live act advanced to theater concert till she kept "falling off stage again" in the 70ies.

She was quite something!

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by Anonymousreply 73November 28, 2021 10:58 AM

[quote]By the time I saw her in 74 it was well overdue to call it a day.

In his diaries, Noel Coward goes from praising Marlene for continually learning how to improve her act in the 1950s, to eventually, at some point in the 1960s, saying she was all facade and no substance, but her fans surely had figured that out on their own.

Toward the end of 1972 when Coward was obviously quite ill, she made some snotty comment to the press about how she had no real friends, and they protested that Noel was still alive and she could spend Christmas with him, and she said "he could be dead by the time I get there," and caused an uproar. Of course, Coward chose her to accompany him to what turned out to be his last public appearance a few weeks later, apparently having gotten used to Marlene's strange way of showing friendship and loyalty.

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by Anonymousreply 74November 28, 2021 11:10 AM

[quote]I don´t think i´ve ever seen a stylish frock ore outfit that Marlene hasn´t worn decades before.

I know, I know...

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by Anonymousreply 75November 28, 2021 4:58 PM

And despite all the glamor she wan't above washing her dressing room floor with a bucket of vinegar and water, and boiling up a Jägerkohl on a hot plate next to her Parisian bed.

by Anonymousreply 76November 28, 2021 5:06 PM

[64] you’re getting you’re era’s a bit mixed. Dietrich ruled the 30’s. Brought in to rival Garbo she took off in her own right and survived longer than all of them. Anna Stern was tried as a rival to Dietrich but failed miserably. Hedy Lamar wasn’t brought in as a European copy of anything! For a short while her astonishing beauty stunned everyone. She took the 40s by storm making her rivals scramble for the black hair dye and centre parting. Even Crawford copied it.

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by Anonymousreply 77November 28, 2021 5:29 PM

Good ol' Anna Sten...

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by Anonymousreply 78November 28, 2021 6:06 PM

Marlene and Hedy, with Billy Wilder

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by Anonymousreply 79November 28, 2021 6:21 PM


[quote] Orson Wells

Orson Welles

R76 You cannot be claiming that Hedwig Kiesle (Hedy Lamarr) invented black hair with a centre parting.

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by Anonymousreply 81November 28, 2021 8:25 PM

[quote][R76]You cannot be claiming that Hedwig Kiesle (Hedy Lamarr) invented black hair with a centre parting.

We love our centre parts!

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by Anonymousreply 82November 28, 2021 8:32 PM

[quote] centre parts!

You daffy Dataloungers will be telling me that Zeffirelli invented them for his Romeo and Juliet movie.

by Anonymousreply 83November 28, 2021 8:41 PM

R83 [quote] Hedwig Kiesle

Hedwig Kiesler

by Anonymousreply 84November 29, 2021 7:00 AM

Marlenes daugther called Gabin "the most instinctive gentlemen of all my mothers lovers. A simple soul,a little boy in gruff mans body,easy to love,easy to hurt."

In the 50ies Marlene discussed her many lovers with her husband and a friend and asked them which she loved most. Her husband guessed right - Gabin.

He holds the distinction of being the only of her lovers- and we´re speaking of 3 figure numbers- who left HER.

& dared to beat her because she did not want to marry him after the war but insisted on refreshing her relationship with war hero General James Gavin. She moved into the generals hotel when he was in paris and joined him for a victory parade in NY. The generals wife sued for divorce explaining:"I can compete with ordinary women but not Marlene Dietrich".


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by Anonymousreply 85November 29, 2021 9:07 AM

It’s interesting that Dietrich’s style of cabaret has become synonymous with Nazi-era decadence, even though she was virulently anti-Nazi and had left Germany in 1930.

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by Anonymousreply 86November 29, 2021 1:03 PM

R86, Interesting. Cabaret was big in the Weimar Republic era, so to me, it is the last gasp of liberation and decadence before the Nazis took over.

by Anonymousreply 87November 29, 2021 1:49 PM

LB Mayer had had enough of Garbo and her demands and also recognized that the public was tiring of her as well. So Hedy Lamarr was the perfect solution...until she became far more difficult (with less talent) than Garbo ever was.

Hedy was LB's Garbo replacement.

Greer Garson was the Norma Shearer replacement.

And Lana Turner was the Joan Crawford (and Jean Harlow) replacement.

by Anonymousreply 88November 29, 2021 2:23 PM

8. Marlene Dietrich made a name for herself as an icon of the Weimar era before she headed to Hollywood and global fame

Before she became a Hollywood superstar in the 1930s, Marlene Dietrich made a name for herself as an actress and socialite during the heady days of Weimar-era Berlin. As an extrovert and as bisexual, she thrived in the liberal atmosphere of 1920s Berlin. Indeed, one newspaper dubbed Dietrich “perhaps the busiest and most passionate bisexual in theatrical Berlin” – quite an accolade given the competition. Her exploits made her as infamous as she was famous, and soon she became almost as well known for her colorful private life as she was for her movie career.

Dietrich had just turned 20 when she started making a name for herself in Berlin. Like many future stars, she started out as a chorus girl, progressing to bit-parts in cabaret shows and then movies. Though she married fellow actor Rudolf Sieber in 1923, even having a daughter with him, this didn’t slow her down. In fact, Sieber was well aware of her nature and she was open about the numerous affairs she conducted with both men and women.

Even for Weimar Berlin, Dietrich’s behavior was often seen as shocking, especially her love of women. Klaus Kinski, one of Germany’s biggest-ever movie stars, recalled in his biography how Dietrich’s passionate affair with actress Edith Edwards was particularly scandalous. In his autobiography, Kinski writes breathlessly: “Marlene tore down Edith’s panties backstage in a Berlin theater and, using just her mouth, brought Edith to orgasm.” Such behavior certainly didn’t hinder her career. In 1929, Dietrich landed the lead role in Lola Lola and then starred in The Blue Angel. This brought her to the attention of Hollywood and, within a year, she had moved to the United States, where she soon became a genuine A-lister

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by Anonymousreply 89November 29, 2021 2:40 PM

Cinnamon gives it a go...

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by Anonymousreply 90November 29, 2021 4:35 PM

[quote] Cabaret was big in the Weimar Republic era

And in London and NY too

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by Anonymousreply 91November 29, 2021 9:23 PM

R85 Jean Gabin was no beauty

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by Anonymousreply 92November 29, 2021 9:32 PM

R64 and R80 . I’m not suggesting Lamar invented dark hair and the centre parting. I’m saying at the time most if not all the Hollywood reigning beauties were or had been blonde. Garbo, Dietrich, Harlow, Carole Lombard, Constance Bennet, Ginger Rogers, Betty Grable, Bette Davis, Lana Turner. Crawford tried every shade blonde. Lamarr appeared on the scene and created such an impact many stars imitated her look darkening their hair and centre parting it. The same way they all copied Crawford’s natural eyebrows and exaggerated mouth. Am well aware of the kissing pic with Marlene, yes they were girlfriends perhaps not just platonic but at that point Dietrich is in her 40’s. She is not the reigning queen of Hollywood any more. Lamarr was a contemporary of Judy Garland, Lana Turner and being hailed as the most beautiful woman in the world. You can’t link her with a foreign copy cat failure like Anna Sten.

by Anonymousreply 93November 30, 2021 2:25 PM

r93, when was Garbo ever a blonde? And Bette Davis' brief blonde years were BEFORE she achieved real stardom. I can't really think of a single Joan Crawford film of any decade where she could be described as a blonde.

It's true though that most of the big brunette stars of the 30s and 40s were not primarily sex symbols: Norma Shearer, Katharine Hepburn, Myrna Loy, Kay Francis, Irene Dunne, Rosalind Russell, Loretta Young, Eleanor Powell, Olivia de Havilland, Vivien Leigh, Ruby Keeler, though a few brunettes were: Paulette Goddard, Ann Sheridan, Dorothy Lamour.

by Anonymousreply 94November 30, 2021 2:51 PM

Garbo was a natural dark blonde swede that photographed a bit darker. Dietrich was a redistribution blonde until she went full blonde. Some pictures of stars as blondes.

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by Anonymousreply 95November 30, 2021 3:10 PM

Crawford was a redhead in the early 30s, not a blonde.

by Anonymousreply 96November 30, 2021 3:35 PM

I wasn't a brunette, r94.

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by Anonymousreply 97November 30, 2021 3:49 PM

[quote]when was Garbo ever a blonde?

She may have had light brown hair, I'm not sure, but it read as blonde.

[quote]And Bette Davis' brief blonde years were BEFORE she achieved real stardom.

She became a huge star with Of Human Bondage when she was most definitely blonde and won an Oscar for Dangerous where she was blonde. I think you could say her hair was blonde, or at least read that way in B&W film, in Petrified Forest and the posters and lobby cards colored her hair as such.

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by Anonymousreply 98November 30, 2021 4:03 PM

It was ash blonde, r94.

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by Anonymousreply 99November 30, 2021 4:22 PM

Until it wasn't...

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by Anonymousreply 100November 30, 2021 4:24 PM

Not trying to derail this Marlene thread. I am a great fan. So my last reference to miss Lamarr. Our Joanie looking decidedly Hedy

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by Anonymousreply 101November 30, 2021 5:21 PM

Crawford had more going on with her eyes than Hedy.

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by Anonymousreply 103November 30, 2021 5:25 PM

Yes but the look is decidedly dark as opposed to this 1931 film Laughing Sinners. Pretty fair for any era wouldn’t you say R93 ? And at this stage she was top billing world famous. Give her her due Our Joan rocked a million looks.

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by Anonymousreply 104November 30, 2021 5:30 PM

Oh that's a good catch, a lot of the publicity for Laughing Sinners has Joan's hair blonde, too. I never realized that before.

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by Anonymousreply 105November 30, 2021 5:40 PM

R103 totally agree. Joan could look more beautiful than any of them, time after time. I took a pic of my 1973 programme of Dietrich’s live show. (Can’t seem to download it here) My mum and Dad took me. After, we waited outside the stage door with a huge crowd. I couldn’t get any where near but my mother got right through to Dietrich.(there was a picture of them both in the local rag at the time). My mother didn’t have a pen, so got out her lipstick for Dietrich to sign with. Dietrich replied but it’s a lovely new lipstick. A shame to spoil it and put it back in my mum’s handbag. She signed the programme with a pen she already had and kissed the programme. A perfect lip print. I varnished over the lipstick kiss so it wouldn’t get smudged. Still have it, great memory.

by Anonymousreply 106November 30, 2021 6:34 PM

R103 couldn’t agree more. I still have my programme from Dietrich’s 73 tour. My mum and Dad took me. After the show we stood outside the stage door with the huge crowd. When Dietrich emerged I couldn’t get near but my mother got next to Dietrich. There was a picture next day in the local rag. My mother didn’t have a pen so gave Dietrich her lipstick to use. Dietrich said ‘it’s a lovely new lipstick. A shame to ruin it.’ And put it back in my mother’s bag. She then signed the programme with a pen she already had and kissed the programme. I have a perfect lip print next to the picture. I varnished over it so as not to smudge it. Still have it, perfect lip print same coral colour as she’s wearing in the photo. fond memories. (Photographed it but can’t download it onto the site from my personal photos)

by Anonymousreply 107November 30, 2021 6:46 PM

When I saw her in Denver, r107, Peter Bogdanovitch and Ryan O'Neal were in the audience. Afterwards, they accompanied Marlene out the stage door and into the limo...no autographs. Although I did get Ryan's before the show.

by Anonymousreply 108November 30, 2021 6:53 PM

Should have got his phone number!

by Anonymousreply 109November 30, 2021 6:55 PM

A friend of mine told me many years ago knew her and saw her preparing for a performance. He said she stretched a fish skin over her face that pulled her skin tight when it dried. I have never read that in any books or online, but my friend knew lots of famous stars and celebs when he was rich and famous. He told me other things about Marlene, but I don't remember them right now.

by Anonymousreply 110November 30, 2021 6:56 PM


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by Anonymousreply 111November 30, 2021 6:57 PM

Wow, fantastic story r106, love it!

by Anonymousreply 112November 30, 2021 7:08 PM

Well, Lucille Ball's hair looks blonde in black & white photos, too!

by Anonymousreply 113November 30, 2021 9:19 PM

An example, r113?

by Anonymousreply 114November 30, 2021 9:44 PM

Shoppin' for rags...

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by Anonymousreply 115November 30, 2021 9:45 PM

[quote] Our Joanie

No, your Joanie

by Anonymousreply 116November 30, 2021 9:57 PM

She didn't look ageless. She looked elderly and weird in that 1965 concert. Her mouth was hideous later in life - too many face pulls and those tiny little green teeth. Her expression is so downward and disdainful. Such an affected way. She looked like a well dressed 80 year old in her sixties. She was a great looking woman in everyday life in her thirties. Never a beauty though.

by Anonymousreply 117December 1, 2021 12:53 AM
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