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Newsweek: Prince Charles Wants Camilla to Be Queen Against the Wishes of His Sons and Subjects

What do you call the wife of a king? Careful, it's a trick question. Elizabeth, the mother of the current queen and wife of the last king of Great Britain, George VI, was the queen while her husband was alive, although technically her title was "queen consort," to signify that she wasn't actually the monarch. So when her grandson becomes King Charles III, his wife will be Queen Camilla, right?

Not necessarily. Royal names and titles are complicated; Charles might even choose to reign under a different name, since he has four of them: Charles, Philip, Arthur and George. The rules can be tweaked for reasons of state, or, nowadays, public relations. Charles is the Prince of Wales; on their marriage, his first wife Diana became Princess of Wales. But when he married Camilla, she took on the lesser title of Duchess of Cornwall. Charles is the Duke of Cornwall, among his other titles; he has 11 altogether, including two other dukedoms and several assorted earldoms and baronetcies.

So if the British public has a say, there won't be a Queen Camilla. Only 13 percent of Britons believe Camilla should be given the title "Queen" when Charles becomes king, according to YouGov polling in May. This compares to 41 percent who thought she should be called "Princess Consort" and 28 percent who thought she should have no title at all. Her problem, of course, is that she was the other woman in Charles' marriage to Diana (who had her own title for Camilla: "The Rottweiler").

"There were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded," Diana memorably told the BBC in 1995.

The official royal family position at the time of their 2005 wedding was that Camilla would be "Princess Consort." This was reiterated on the official royal family website which, up until around October 2017, read: "As was explained at the time of their wedding in April 2005, it is intended that The Duchess will be known as HRH The Princess Consort when The Prince of Wales Accedes to The Throne."

However, sometime before March 2018 the statement was removed. Historian Robert Lacey recently told Newsweek that Charles has been lobbying for Camilla to be queen after all, to Prince William and Prince Harry's frustration. He said: "Privately I discovered both brothers are absolutely sick to the back teeth of Charles trying to negotiate full Queen status for Camilla."

Camilla has her partisans, of course. Penny Junor, who wrote her authorized biography, is one of them: "I think she should be Queen. There's no reason on earth why she shouldn't be. They were both divorcees and the past was unfortunate. It happened. All over the world people divorce, they make mistakes and they divorce. "She's been married to him 16 years. She has been a superb duchess. She has slowly, slowly worked her way into the role. There's no sense that she's in competition with him. She's put her name to some very brave causes." (cont.)

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by Anonymousreply 17November 29, 2021 4:37 AM

(cont.) Charles' affair with Camilla was first exposed in Andrew Morton's 1992 biography, Diana: Her True Story, which led to a precipitous decline in his popularity—accelerated by the Netflix series The Crown, whose fifth season, appearing next year, deals with the divorce and Diana's death.

Morton told Newsweek: "He's married someone who, as Diana famously said, was the third wheel in the marriage. "However Camilla is cast—as dutiful, as good for him, as loving, all the rest of it—there's a substantial segment of British society that will never accept her. And I'm afraid that is reflected in the polling."

And even thousand-year-old hereditary monarchies, these days, have to pay attention to the polls.

by Anonymousreply 1November 24, 2021 12:04 AM

She'll be Queen and there's not a damned thing anyone can do about it.

Eat shit william

by Anonymousreply 2November 24, 2021 12:05 AM

At this point, it just seems ridiculous to pretend she's magically not Queen, cause Diana! Just stop this shit and admit the obvious: she will be the Queen of England, Queen Consort like the vast majority of Queens of England.

by Anonymousreply 3November 24, 2021 12:05 AM

She will be the queen and you diana tit suckers can just suck off !

by Anonymousreply 4November 24, 2021 12:07 AM

Who is Charles supposed to be lobbying in order to do this? When he's the King he can do what he likes with regards to titles--William and (especially!) Harry will have no say, and his mother will be dead.

I don't think in this regard he even needs to consult Parliament or have some law passed: the lawfully married wife of the King (which Camilla will be) is by definition the Queen Consort.

by Anonymousreply 5November 24, 2021 12:09 AM

R4. But she will never be Queen of Hearts.

by Anonymousreply 6November 24, 2021 12:10 AM

Why not? Hasn't he been married to her longer than he was married to Diana? William and Kate seem to get along with Camilla just fine. Perhaps William is sympathetic to Charles because he knew the same pressure to get married and produce an heir. And he knows his mother wasn't perfect, either.

by Anonymousreply 7November 24, 2021 12:10 AM

R7, OR the People’s Princess

by Anonymousreply 8November 24, 2021 12:11 AM

Well, some people settle for Queen of Diamonds, r6

by Anonymousreply 9November 24, 2021 12:12 AM

I sure wish real life Camilla was more like the Camilla in comedy series The Windsors. I'd be much more interested.

by Anonymousreply 10November 24, 2021 12:13 AM

R7. She truly was the People’s Princess.

by Anonymousreply 11November 24, 2021 12:15 AM

No one gives a crap what William thinks.

by Anonymousreply 12November 24, 2021 1:06 AM

R3, a common misconception. QE2 is Queen of the United Kingdom, of which England is a part. It would be like saying Joe Biden is President of Florida.

by Anonymousreply 13November 25, 2021 2:21 AM

There’s always hope, R10. After all, how do any of us really know what goes on behind their closed doors?

by Anonymousreply 14November 25, 2021 3:31 AM

Camilla will still be queen, she just agreed not to use that title. The wife of the king is legally queen, that is all there is to it. However not using a title is another matter.

by Anonymousreply 15November 25, 2021 3:58 AM

It’s hard to see how that’s workable. Harry, Meghan, and Andrew can avoid using their titles because they aren’t performing royal duties. Camilla presumably will and it would be odd for invitations and so forth to be addressed to her using the wrong title.

by Anonymousreply 16November 25, 2021 10:54 AM

Queen Tampon

by Anonymousreply 17November 29, 2021 4:37 AM
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