NYT: We're all ignoramuses about the origin of Thanksgiving

Paywalled article

I've reached my limit of free NYT articles so I guess I'll just feed my face in ignorance on Thursday

yes, thanks for...nothing, OP.

Well you could subscribe.

Well, we don't, so stop cockteasing the content, pimp.

Does anyone care what some idiot published in the Times? I’ll believe everything I’ve learned in school and read on my own over one opinion piece that does not even list references.

Just clear the data, history, and cache on your phone or computer and it will open tight up. Like it has fir the past 20 years

^^right up^^

R7 maybe o don’t want to delete my history. The OP could show some common courtesy and copy and paste the article if he wants to engage in discussion. Otherwise stop posting paywalled content.

One of you bitches has to have a subscription! Copy and paste please. Sadly, I only subscribe to NYT cooking.

Oh FFS ladies. Is anyone here under 60?

Highlights:

It’s been taught that the Pilgrims came because they were seeking religious freedom, but that’s not entirely true, Mr. Loewen said. The Pilgrims had religious freedom in Holland, where they first arrived in the early 17th century. Like those who settled Jamestown, Va., in 1607, the Pilgrims came to North America to make money, Mr. Loewen said.

“They were also coming here in order to establish a religious theocracy, which they did,” he said. “That’s not exactly the same as coming here for religious freedom. It’s kind of coming here against religious freedom.”

Also, the Pilgrims never called themselves Pilgrims. They were separatists, Mr. Loewen said. The term Pilgrims didn’t surface until around 1880. There’s no evidence that native people were invited.

Possibly the most common misconception is that the Pilgrims extended an invitation to the Native Americans for helping them reap the harvest. The truth of how they all ended up feasting together is unknown.

“The English-written record does not mention an invitation, and Wampanoag oral tradition does not seem to reach back to this event,” Ms. Sheehan said. But there are reasons the Wampanoag leader could have been there, she said, adding: “His people had been planting on the other side of the brook from the colony. Another possibility is that after his harvest was gathered, he was making diplomatic calls.”

There was no mention of turkey being at the 1621 bounty, and there was no pie. Settlers lacked butter and wheat flour for a crust, and they had no oven for baking. What is known is that the Pilgrims harvested crops and that the Wampanoag brought five deer. “There are primary source writings about wild turkey being abundant in the area that fall, yet they do not specifically mention if they were at the First Thanksgiving,” said Tom Begley, executive assistant at Plimoth Plantation.

Experts agree, though, that there was certainly some wild fowl — possibly goose, duck or turkey — served along with the venison brought by the native men, he said, as those are the only food items explicitly mentioned. “However, there is no direct evidence proving that turkey was in fact served,” he said.

The menu may have also included cornmeal, pumpkin, succotash and cranberries. There were no sweet potatoes in North America at the time. Contrary to popular depictions, there were about 90 native people in attendance, almost double the number of Pilgrims by some accounts.

After all that, Zzzzzzzzzzz.....

[bold] Greg's Tip of the Day [/bold]

All you have to do is Google, "Everything You Learned About Thanksgiving is Wrong" and then the article will pop up without a paywall.

You're welcome!

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

[quote] Oh FFS ladies. Is anyone here under 60?

No, but most of us don't care to give another dollar to the increasingly conservative NYT.

Fuck Maureen Dowd, Bret Stephens and a long list of others.

NYT, oh let me guess: It was created as a day for white people to celebrate their supremacy to obscure the true reasons America was founded on the backs of BIPOC and women.

They do the same article every fucking year.

This reminds me of that South Park episode in which they make fun of the History channel, the first Thor movie and Natalie Portman.

It never ceases to amaze me how helpless DLers are when it comes to accessing articles behind paywalls.

Lemme guess....systemic racism....white suoremecy. Followed by mass incarceration. Plymouth rick was red lined. There were slaves, of course. The indigenous people were noble and advanced and vegan until oppressed by the evil white Christians.

This thread EXHAUSTS me.

[quote] It never ceases to amaze me how helpless DLers are when it comes to accessing articles behind paywalls.

Not I!

"It’s been taught that the Pilgrims came because they were seeking religious freedom, but that’s not entirely true, Mr. Loewen said.

The Pilgrims had religious freedom in Holland, where they first arrived in the early 17th century. Like those who settled Jamestown, Va., in 1607, the Pilgrims came to North America to make money, Mr. Loewen said.

“They were also coming here in order to establish a religious theocracy, which they did,” he said. “That’s not exactly the same as coming here for religious freedom. It’s kind of coming here against religious freedom.”

No evidence Indians were invited. No evidence turkey was served. Pilgrim men didn't wear those large black hats with buckles--those were added by an artist later.

Well, I'm convinced. Out with the traditional tough old bird, I'm going online to purchase five freshly slaughtered white tailed deer. Did you say cornmeal? Shall I just sprinkle it over the venison?

i LOVE succotash!!!!!

great as salsa too.

Turkey tastes terrible anyway. Why is this a tradition???

R20 I'm exhausted just thinking about you crushing my soul and my dreams all day tomorrow.

You're already hangry today!

I'm going to guess it involved a Black Tranny hunting the first turkey.

The pilgrims were the Christian version of orthodox jews.

sorry capitalization was because of laziness not preference

Is when they exchange turkey for blankets.

R18 it’s not helplessness to not want to go to the effort of accessing an article behind a paywall, it’s fucking laziness of the OP to not post the very article he is trying to engage people with.

Someone's cranky today

Remember to include a land acknowledgment and your thoughts on decolonizing your holiday, particularly the menu... Bon Appetite!