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"Just about everyone in Germany will be vaccinated, recovered, or dead by Winter's end"

BRUSSELS — Austria went into a major lockdown Monday to try to break the strong fourth wave of COVID-19 spreading across Europe, while the German health minister, Jens Spahn, warned that by the end of this winter “just about everyone in Germany will probably be either vaccinated, recovered or dead.”

“Immunity will be reached,” Spahn said at a Berlin news conference. “The question is whether it’s via vaccination or infection, and we explicitly recommend the path via vaccination.”

European governments are toughening their measures against COVID-19 in the face of soaring infection rates — more than 2 million new cases each week, the most since the pandemic began — and popular resistance, with violent protests over the weekend in numerous countries.

Tens of thousands of people protested official crackdowns and vaccine requirements in Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Switzerland and Croatia, with scattered violence and police use of tear gas and water cannons. Some protesters were organized by far-right parties, but many were simply fed up with almost two years of intermittent state controls over their lives in the name of public health.

Ahmed Aboutaleb, mayor of Rotterdam, Netherlands, where some of the worst protests erupted, called them an “orgy of violence” and said football hooligans were believed to have been involved.

Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, defended the right to demonstrate. “But what I will never accept is that idiots use sheer violence against the people who work for you and me every day to keep this country safe under the guise of: ‘We are dissatisfied.' "

Europe is once again the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, accounting for more than half the world’s reported COVID-19 deaths this month, according to the World Health Organization. The four countries with the world’s highest rates of reported new cases in the past week are Austria and three that border it, Slovakia, Slovenia and the Czech Republic; 27 of the top 29 are in Europe.

With vaccination rates lagging and winter approaching, more governments are ringing alarm bells.

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany told her Christian Democratic Party on Monday that the situation is “highly dramatic” and that the latest surge is worse than anything Germany had suffered so far.

In what may be her last month as chancellor, as a new government is being formed, she warned that hospitals would soon be overwhelmed unless the fourth wave of the virus is broken and called on Germany’s 16 states to enforce even tighter restrictions to block the spread.

Germany, like many European countries, is at the same time pressing for citizens to get booster shots. But it faces a dwindling supply of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, which was partly developed in the country.

While the European Medicines Agency is poised to approve the vaccine for use on children ages 5 to 11 this week, first doses for children are not scheduled to be delivered to European Union countries until Dec. 20, Spahn said.

On Thursday, 553,000 vaccines were administered in Germany in one day, a daily total not seen since early August. Three-quarters of those shots were boosters, according to the health ministry.

Neighboring Austria on Monday began its fourth lockdown, one of the few in Western Europe since vaccines became widely available. Most stores, restaurants, sporting venues and cultural institutions shut, leaving the streets cold and quiet in the weeks before Christmas.

The lockdown, which only allows people to leave home to go to work or to procure groceries or medicines, will last at least 10 days and as many as 20 and comes after months of struggling attempts to halt the contagion through widespread testing and partial restrictions.

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Austria has also announced that vaccination will be compulsory as of Feb. 1 — the first Western country to take that step and one of only a handful around the world. Some critics, including the editorial board of the Financial Times, have called it too high a price in terms of individual freedom and a sign of political failure.

Opposition to the measures has been led in Austria by the far-right Freedom Party, the third-largest in Parliament, which has been amplifying conspiracy theories about the vaccines, spreading doubt about their effectiveness and promoting ivermectin, a drug typically used to treat parasitic worms, mostly in horses, that has repeatedly failed against the coronavirus in clinical trials.

Alexander Schallenberg, Austria’s chancellor, said he originally had opposed compulsory vaccination, but “we have too many political forces, flimsy vaccine skeptics and spreaders of fake news in this country.”

On Saturday, some 40,000 Austrians marched in Vienna to protest the new measures.

France presents a contrast, in that President Emmanuel Macron has used more suasion. Proof of vaccination or a recent negative test is required to patronize restaurants and cinemas, which has encouraged many reluctant French to get vaccinated without a national mandate. But anti-vaccination groups remain active in France as well.

About 68% of Germans and 66% of Austrians have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and hospitals are mostly filled with those who have not been vaccinated at all. Early in the pandemic, scientists thought 70% to 80% vaccination might be enough for a population to reach “herd immunity.” But the virus is now so widespread, with new variants arising and some vaccinated people suffering “breakthrough” infections, that many experts say herd immunity is unattainable.

Vaccination rates in most of Western Europe are higher, but the levels in Eastern Europe are far lower — from 59% in the Czech Republic to 24% in Bulgaria.

Belgium is highly vaccinated, at 75%, but a rise in cases has caused the government to impose tighter restrictions, including more working from home and wider mandatory mask wearing. That prompted a protest in Brussels on Sunday of an estimated 35,000 people near the EU headquarters. Some protesters threw stones and set fires, police made more than 40 arrests, and three officers were hurt.

Alexander de Croo, prime minister of Belgium, called the violence “absolutely unacceptable.” Like Rutte, he said Belgians were free to protest but that “the way in which some demonstrators behaved had nothing to do with freedom.” He continued: “It had nothing to do with whether vaccination was a good thing or not; this was criminal behavior.”

In Greece, the government said Monday that unvaccinated people would be barred from indoor spaces, including restaurants, cinemas, museums and gyms. Vaccination certificates for those older than 60 will be valid for only seven months, with people then required to get booster shots to maintain validity.

In Slovakia, the country’s prime minister, Eduard Heger, announced a “lockdown for the unvaccinated” starting Monday. Slovakia and the Czech Republic banned unvaccinated people from restaurants, pubs, shopping malls, public events and stores, except for those selling essential goods.

The WHO chief for Europe, Hans Kluge, earlier this month blamed the region’s woes on insufficient vaccination despite the availability of vaccines and said that the continent could see half a million more deaths by February.

“We must change our tactics, from reacting to surges of COVID-19 to preventing them from happening in the first place,” he said.

by Anonymousreply 1November 23, 2021 8:27 AM

US issues "Do Not Travel" warning for Germany and Denmark.

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by Anonymousreply 2November 23, 2021 8:29 AM

Germany has CASES, not so many illnesses or deaths.

by Anonymousreply 3November 23, 2021 8:48 AM

The recent official Covid data of people being sick or diagnosed with Covid is crazy. The numbers are higher than ever.

by Anonymousreply 4November 23, 2021 9:05 AM

Cases are not illnesses and illnesses are not deaths.

by Anonymousreply 5November 23, 2021 11:09 AM

Why is some poster glomming on that quote? Common sense and not extraordinary at all.

by Anonymousreply 6November 23, 2021 11:12 AM

A quintessentially German way to put it.

by Anonymousreply 7November 23, 2021 11:14 AM

They're only pushing this because they've got 20 million doses of Moderna currently unused and potentially close to expiration.

by Anonymousreply 8November 24, 2021 5:08 AM

US cases are higher than a year ago.

by Anonymousreply 9November 24, 2021 5:13 AM

Cases are not illnesses

by Anonymousreply 10November 24, 2021 11:38 AM

[quote]Cases are not illnesses

No, but illnesses are illnesses and Health Minister Spahn also warned about rising pressure on hospitals in Germany, noting that “we are having to move patients around as intensive care units are full."

Germany, Austria and other European countries aren't considering/implementing lockdowns because rising case numbers inevitably mean rising hospitalizations and deaths. Vaccinations will decrease the number of infected that get really sick, but when you have such stratospheric case numbers, you're going to have major trouble with health care systems that are already stretched to the limit.

by Anonymousreply 11November 24, 2021 12:46 PM

Germany may be next to make vaccines mandatory. Any German DL-ers care to give us their opinion? Or maybe the grumpy Austrian dude on the border?

BTW have you all noticed that GermanGayGuy has disappeared? Maybe he's in the hospital or something

by Anonymousreply 12November 24, 2021 12:49 PM

[quote]Germany, Austria and other European countries aren't considering/implementing lockdowns because rising case numbers inevitably mean rising hospitalizations and deaths.

Should read:

Germany, Austria and other European countries aren't considering/implementing lockdowns just because case numbers are rising .... they're doing it because rising case numbers inevitably mean rising hospitalizations and deaths.

CNBC: That some lawmakers are now calling for compulsory vaccination shows the current level of concern in Germany at the Covid crisis.

“We’ve reached a point at which we must clearly say that we need de facto compulsory vaccination and a lockdown for the unvaccinated,” Tilman Kuban, head of the youth wing of Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union, wrote in Die Welt newspaper on Sunday, noting that 90% of coronavirus patients in German intensive care beds are unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated, Kuban said, were bringing Germany “to the brink of desperation” adding that “it cannot be that the entire population is locked away every winter.”

by Anonymousreply 13November 24, 2021 12:56 PM

[quote]Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, defended the right to demonstrate. “But what I will never accept is that idiots use sheer violence against the people who work for you and me every day to keep this country safe under the guise of: ‘We are dissatisfied.' "

He also said he was married to his job and didn't like to "bother girls"

by Anonymousreply 14November 24, 2021 12:58 PM

R14 - yeah, his behavior was super pathetic when he met with the ethnically German president of Romania, Klaus Iohannis. He was stuttering and couldn't even shake his hand properly. Probably knows Klaus hates right wing assholes.

by Anonymousreply 15November 24, 2021 1:54 PM

the closet will do that

by Anonymousreply 16November 24, 2021 1:58 PM

Minister Spahn is an idiot. They publish the covid stats daily and hospitals are at 17 percent capacity.

"Your papers please." is too fresh for Germany to allow more control.

by Anonymousreply 17November 24, 2021 5:42 PM

From the start, there was no doubt that everybody would catch the virus at some point. Governments implemented all the safety measures to ease the strain on healthcare facilities, so all people, who do get sick despite the safety measures, can be treated early on to save lives.

by Anonymousreply 18November 24, 2021 6:20 PM

MARY!!

by Anonymousreply 19November 24, 2021 6:22 PM

MARIA!!

by Anonymousreply 20November 24, 2021 6:26 PM

Who is the troll posting on both lockdown threads about how the Romanian president is an "ethnic German"?

Racist much?

by Anonymousreply 21November 24, 2021 7:15 PM

[quote] US cases are higher than a year ago.

I understand breakthrough cases, and that the vaccine wears off, but this year I expected lower numbers per million from every country where 'fully vaccinated' percentages are above 70%. I'm suspecting that vaccines and masks and hand-sanitizing aren't the ultimate protection, that there are other preventative measures people could do to improve their chances of at least being asymptomatic. However, that would necessitate people looking beyond their public health agencies for disease control advice and taking action.

by Anonymousreply 22November 24, 2021 7:27 PM

R21 - bitch read the context. I was talking about his relationship and comparison to what's happening in Germany and Austria and the behavior of the right-wing closted asshole Rutte in Holland. You know...right wing, nationalists versus a progressive guy. Also, there is no "racist" among white Europeans. Maybe xenophobic is the word you are looking for...which I also called out the far right in Austria for being.

by Anonymousreply 23November 24, 2021 7:39 PM

vaxx it up

by Anonymousreply 24November 25, 2021 2:10 AM

Its apparently a moderately funny pun in German geimpft, genesen, gestorben/ vaccinated, recovered, died. 3G is the German Covid policy only thats geimpft, genesen, getestet/vaccinated, recovered, tested... Those wacky Germans.

by Anonymousreply 25November 25, 2021 2:17 AM

those krauts are funny

by Anonymousreply 26November 25, 2021 1:37 PM

A virus which only endangers people who are very old, extremely fat, and already suffer from serious medical conditions is going to suddenly rise up and wipe out the unvaccinated population?!?!?!

This is a virus - like all viruses - that is rapidly weakening in order to survive. For most of the population, it was already less dangerous than the common cold. Soon, even for the vulnerable groups, it will become almost harmless.

It sounds like the Media-State are trying to wipe away any remaining residue of credibility which they may still carry among the acutely gullible and hyper-credulous segments. (These groups have drastically shrunk in recent times - mainly as a result of the endless, cascading hysterics of The American Left during the past few years.)

by Anonymousreply 27November 25, 2021 7:10 PM

It's better to let everyone catch it by this point. Natural immunity on top of vaccine immunity.

by Anonymousreply 28November 25, 2021 7:16 PM

It's getting bad here in Norway too. Hospitals are overwhelmed. I assume facemasks will make a comeback soon.

by Anonymousreply 29November 25, 2021 7:20 PM

[quote] everyone in Germany will be vaccinated, recovered, or dead

Does ve gets to choos?

by Anonymousreply 30November 25, 2021 7:24 PM

r29, sorry to hear that, but we never got rid of them

by Anonymousreply 31November 25, 2021 7:59 PM

[quote]It's getting bad here in Norway too. Hospitals are overwhelmed.

That can't be, R27 says it's less dangerous than the common cold.

by Anonymousreply 32November 26, 2021 1:09 AM

I'm surprised to hear the situation in Norway is worsening. They were closed to most countries until a few months ago.

by Anonymousreply 33November 26, 2021 1:53 AM

You would think that Germany of all countries, would've taken a long hard look at what's really going on and said "nein" to what de-facto amounts to FORCING the entire German population to participate in a genetic experiment (sold as a "vaccine", which it is not because we KNOW Scandinavian countries with zero lockdowns and restrictions have no issues with COVID).

I guess hanging a bunch of nazi scumbags after Nuremberg failed to convey the message, that such experimentation, without individual consent and regardless of the usual "these measures are for the good of all Germans" justification, eventually results in public trials and hangings in the public square for all those, who knowingly and/or unknowingly colluded, aided and enabled such atrocities.

This medical fascism is happening all across Europe right now. There're no laws on the books mandating masks and lockdowns - which means that the edicts of all of these health "ministers" and other commie aparatchiks are ILLEGAL. Where is the parliamentarian discussion and debate in these so called "democracies"? Why aren't all of these health ministers in jail for making up and enforcing mandates that are illegal??? They only have the constitutional mandate to enforce existing laws, not make them up like Hitler. Nazis gonna nazi I guess. Same as it ever was.

by Anonymousreply 34November 26, 2021 2:09 AM

This is why I don't want the Trumpers to get vaccinated. By all means, DO NOT get vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 35November 26, 2021 2:19 AM

R27 types mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 36November 26, 2021 2:36 AM

The only way to freedom is to get thedamn virus and get it over with. The vax's are just drawing this out.

by Anonymousreply 37November 26, 2021 2:42 AM

I hope they burn down the Reichstag again.

by Anonymousreply 38November 26, 2021 2:49 AM

[quote][R27] types mentally ill.

And he continues his paranoid fever dream at R34.

by Anonymousreply 39November 26, 2021 1:11 PM

[quote]This medical fascism is happening all across Europe right now. There're no laws on the books mandating masks and lockdowns - which means that the edicts of all of these health "ministers" and other commie aparatchiks are ILLEGAL. Where is the parliamentarian discussion and debate in these so called "democracies"? Why aren't all of these health ministers in jail for making up and enforcing mandates that are illegal??? They only have the constitutional mandate to enforce existing laws, not make them up like Hitler. Nazis gonna nazi I guess. Same as it ever was.

Well, are they fascists or communists? And are any of them shoving racial justice down our throats as you wrote here:

[bold]Jussie Smollett Hate Crime Hoax Trial Will Begin Nov. 29th[/bold]

My favorite bs out of ALL of this is how we are having racial justice shoved down our throats now because ya know black people can’t get ahead in America because it’s so racist. And yet everyone screaming the loudest are damn rich and accomplished black celebrities or politicians or whatever professional level they have achieved 🤨. It’s all a big psyop or payback. So tired of it all.

by Anonymousreply 40November 26, 2021 6:02 PM

you BOTH are ugly and stupid!

by Anonymousreply 41November 26, 2021 9:00 PM

Oh no omicron

by Anonymousreply 42November 27, 2021 2:45 PM
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