Jagged: Alanis Morrissette Documentary

And Madonna gets a piece of it all

Ironic is an example of the song being much better than the video

I love that album so much, but I've grown less fond of Alanis herself over the years. She strikes me as very self-involved and a bit of a covert narcissist.

She had a few hit songs after Jagged Little Pill but that was her peak

It's on HBO Max

[quote]Ironic is an example of the song being much better than the video

Stéphane Sednaoui directed the iconic "Give it Away" video for the Red Hot Chili Peppers which is a much better video.

But I like this one too. Her personalities talking to the viewer from different positions in the car, book ended by her filling her tank with gas and then running out at the end. It's so simple but for 1996 it was nominated for MTV Awards up the ass.

Jagged Little Pill is referred to as the most successful female debut ever, but it was her third album

Great document of the 90s

I liked JLP back when it came out but it hasn't aged well at all.

Her lyrics are cumbersome.

All I Really Want is underrated

"We couldn't get signed. Everybody rejected us." Meaning major corporate labels rejected you. Doubt they contacted any independent record labels and they all rejected them.

Also, wasn't this her crossover to pop-rock sound? She was already popular in Canada as a dance-pop star.

R2 Disagree. I actually like that video. Song is considered a joke nowadays. Since nothing she mentions as ironic is actually ironic.

I was 16 in 1996 when "Ironic" (song and music video) reigned supreme. There was an English teacher who complained that there was nothing ironic in that song; it was just a bunch of bummers. For example, "a death row pardon too minutes too late" is not ironic, he said; it just sucks. Now, if the condemned person died of natural causes on the day of their execution, then that would be ironic.

I used to listen to Ironic at Borders Music in Ann Arbor on headphones and look pensively around the store like I was in REM's "Everybody Hurts" video

I actually liked her less after watching the documentary. She seemed dull and she was a bit of an asshole when they asked why she didn’t have any women in her band.

And I question how much Glen Ballard factored in the writing of her early stuff since she’s never had an album like that since.

She is partly to blame for the word "ironic" being misused. Don't even get me started on "per se" (or "per say" as the dumb people spell it).

[quote]She seemed dull and she was a bit of an asshole when they asked why she didn’t have any women in her band.

Perhaps she thought those men were more talented. Should she just hire women to fill a quota, even if they're not as talented?

I didn't really like Uninvited or Thank You, but Hands Clean was Jagged Little Pill worthy

R15 Are you from Ann Arbor?

R18 but the way she answered it was lame - she should have a better stock answer ready for that question if she’s going to spout her feminist shit. Can’t have it both ways. And given the political climate these days - that question was obviously coming and the director asked it in a very non-threatening way.

And she didn’t say the men were more talented. She specifically said that didn’t hire females for the band because she had “bad experiences” in the past working with them. Which is a red flag if I’ve ever seen one.

The most compelling people in the documentary were the men. She was dull as a rock.

Joining You. The MTV Unplugged version is really good, but I couldn't find a good version of it.

Her burdens in life should be kept to herself,

This album I loved - I remember the harmonica intro. Can't believe my generation aged so damned fast.

I never got into her, I smelled a poser

I worked at a Borders R15 ages ago at White Flint Mall in Maryland. I rather miss those stores.

Loved the “Hands Clean” video!

The documentary is interesting; I don’t understand why Morissette has spoken out against it.

R20 I went to school there. The Ann Arbor Borders was the very first Borders

Some women in the documentary said that it was always male journalists talking shit about Alanis, but I remember Tabitha Soren on MTV News being very condescending toward her and belittling her talent.

Alanish Morrisshette.

I always wondered why she didn't go simply by Alanis? Alanis Morrissette was too cumbersome, IMO.

Morrissette is a hot last name for an entertainer - and it's her real name

I thought Taylor Hawkins played to the cameras when he toured with Alanis and was bummed when he joined the Foo Fighters

"And every time I scratch my nails down someone else's back - I HOPE YOU FEEL IT!"

"WELL, CAN YOU FEEL IT?!"

R27 When did she spoke against it? The documentary had just been made and came out few days ago.

She was a Canadian pop tart who cribbed and diluted Ani DiFranco's sound.

For a minute I was wondering "What is Tiffany doing in this documentary?"

I was a kid when the album came out and I remember being obsessed with the hidden track at the end of the CD. I guess it would have been the first instance of a hidden track I ever came across, but as a child I felt like I was in on a big secret. The song seemed kind of 'naughty' too, with her talking about sneaking into his house and dancing in his shower and laying in his bed.

I have a lot of nostalgia for this era and will always like those songs but I do think the sound/look is dated. And I had a small crush on Taylor Hawkins too.

For R35

I don't know why she would object to anything in the documentary when "Hands Clean" is owning up to a sexual relationship with an older man when she was underage:

If it weren't for your maturity, none of this would have happened Oh, this could be messy but You don't seem to mind, and Ooh, don't go telling everybody and Overlook this supposed crime

We'll fast-forward to a few years later and No one knows except the both of us And I have honored your request for silence And you've washed your hands clean of this

You're essentially an employee and I like you having to depend on me You're a kind of protégé, and one day, you'll say you learned all you know from me and And I know you depend on me like a young thing would to a guardian I know you sexualize me like a young thing would, and I think I like ya Just make sure you don't tell on me, especially to members of your family We best keep this to ourselves and not tell any members of our inner posse

I can't stand that deliberate dum-dum act that straight guys do like Taylor Hawkins when he says he had never heard the name Alanis before and didn't know how to pronounce it and kept saying 'Atlantis'

I almost didn't recognize Alanis at first. Wow. She became a frau.

I assume Hands Clean is about the older manager in "Jagged" she seems unusually close to before she moved to LA

[quote] I assume Hands Clean is about the older manager in "Jagged" she seems unusually close to before she moved to LA

I hope not, that dude was old, fat and fug.

She was overrated.

R41 I think that guy is genuinely dumb.

As noted above, she was already an industry product, so Jagged Little Pill was just another iteration of that, regardless of what is claimed. Hope they covered that. I’ve always been annoyed by her “cool alt chick” schtick so I prob won’t be watching this.

I genuinely do not remember Alanis being a HUGE teen pop star in Canada (I'm a Canadian!!!) and used to watch MuchMusic all the time. Her popularity as a "pop star" up here always seems oversold to me. Unless, I just never watched MuchMusic when her videos were on.

R3 Fuck off, die, narcissism troll. No such thing exists.

LOL. In most of the sings from this shit album, I always thought she sounded like a wailing cat being run over and over by a semi-truck. You have to be braind dead or have cunt brain to like her shit.