New lead in the search for Jimmy Hoffa

OP, you don’t know nuthin. You ain’t seen this article.

Do I make myself clear?

Jimmy’s fine. He sends his love.

Given that he disappeared in Detroit, why would he have been taken (dead or alive) to New Jersey?

Apparently you can move 100 yards away and can dig a hole big enough for 15-30 barrels to fit in and the police will not see it. Not to mention that 15-30 is not something anyone would say.

Hey, No Nads, good to see ya here, paisan.

Don’t forget to take care of that ting.

All his sons became Lawyers.

It is my understanding that Hoffa was shot in Detroit then taken to and reduced to dust at a mob owned crematorium.

Fuhgeddaboudit.

He is Q.

Frankie? What are ya doin’? You nuts?

The rumor used to be he was buried under Giants stadium.

[quote] Given that he disappeared in Detroit, why would he have been taken (dead or alive) to New Jersey?

Maybe whoever ordered the hit was in Jersey and wanted to see the body. Also, you want to keep an eye on the burial site in case anybody’s gonna dig it up for some reason.

They could have cremated the body and buried it in Jersey.

I met him once when I was a little kid, my grandfather knew him.

[quote]New lead in the search for Jimmy Hoffa

Why the fuck would anyone be looking for him in 2021?

He's sharing a beachfront condo with DB Cooper and Judge Crater.

He's an example of a high IQ person born into a poor background. He could easily have turned into a successful criminal himself, but he chose the high road.

I wonder how many millions the FBI and other law enforcement have spent looking for him. Wasn't it just a few years ago that they dug up a driveway and tore down a barn after another questionable tip or three? He was either illegally cremated, or cut up and fed to hogs.

People are saying that Donald Trump killed him and he is now buried under Mar-a-Lago

Hoffa was murdered in Michigan. This should be interesting, though.

Iirc, from reading an article in Vanity Fair a few decades ago, an FBI source, on background, stated that they found a deathbed statement from someone they believe be credible to be what happened: Hoffa's body was immediately cremated and his ashes were thrown out of a window of a moving car.

Speculation is fun, but real life informs us that the these things are done very matter-of-factly by way of the easiest and most convenient way.

I don't understand why anyone is still looking for his remains.

Because mafia types talk. Mostly lies.

I'm so saddened to know it wasn't Barzini all along.

[quote]He's sharing a beachfront condo with DB Cooper and Judge Crater.

I'm with them, too!

He's in a Mexican hideaway resort with Ken Lay.

[quote]Maybe whoever ordered the hit was in Jersey and wanted to see the body. Also, you want to keep an eye on the burial site in case anybody’s gonna dig it up for some reason.

His head would have been enough for that, if someone wanted more than photos. And they could have (and probably did) just stuck his body in a barrel and dumped him out of a boat into Lake Erie.

Another way to waste Yet More taxpayer money. Who gives a rat's ass where he is?

His body could have been chopped to pieces, he could have been incinerated, he could have been dumped in a large vat of acid. There are probably so many ways to dispose of a body if you have the motive and the means.

I thought Jack Nicholson as Hoffa was so great. I loved that film. Underrated.

Me, too, r30.

Recall the rumor mill that said he was buried in the end zone of a certain Stadium.

R32 Giant Stadium at the Meadowlands in NJ.

It's surprising how many people on here who proclaim to socialists/worker rights/union, but shit on the movie the Irishman... What do you think that movie was about?

R34 is a moron.

Searching for Jimmy Hoffa is an FBI hobby the way listening to murder podcasts is for frauen.

The expectant culture that came about around Hoffa's remains lasted forever, it seemed, decades at least. Jokes on late night TV from Johnny Carson, constant nightly news segments about Hoffa, his disappearance, and possible leads.

The best part about this thread is, that despite being a '70s child, I had no idea he was killed in Detroit. Every news report I'd heard made him sound like an east coast mob casualty. So much talk about the Meadowlands. Aa the though the mob would risk a traffic stop with a corpse on a day long drive to NYC or Jersey.

Why spend my money on a wild goose chase, again?

We don’t know that he was killed in Michigan. We only know he disappeared there. He might have been taken to Jersey alive.

How so, R35?

[quote]It's surprising how many people on here who proclaim to socialists/worker rights/union, but shit on the movie the Irishman

Union person here who shit on the movie because it was 4 fucking hours long - without an intermission.

Al Pacino cast as Hoffa made zero sense.

R40 they should've broken the movie up into two parts. It's what I would call an " extended feature/film."

He was last seen in the parking lot of the Machus Red Fox Restaurant in Bloomfield Township, which is about 20-some miles northwest of Detroit. He was supposed to meet some mob bosses at the restaurant.

The restaurant has since closed. Not sure what is currently at the location.

Who exactly was he? Was he a monster or involved in organized crime etc?

Mobster.^^^^^^

why the fuck do we need to find him? He's dead. gone. good riddance.

and they are searching a fucking landfill...yeah, like his remains are still gonna be there after decades.

the FBI are such stupid cunts.

For R44. From Wiki:

[quote]James Riddle Hoffa (born February 14, 1913 – disappeared July 30, 1975, declared dead July 30, 1982) was an American labor union leader who served as the president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) from 1957 until 1971. ... Hoffa became involved with organized crime from the early years of his Teamsters work, a connection that continued until his disappearance in 1975. He was convicted of jury tampering, attempted bribery, conspiracy, and mail and wire fraud in 1964 in two separate trials. He was imprisoned in 1967 and sentenced to 13 years. In mid-1971, he resigned as president of the union as part of a commutation agreement with US President Richard Nixon and was released later that year, but Hoffa was barred from union activities until 1980. Hoping to regain support and to return to IBT leadership, he unsuccessfully tried to overturn the order. Hoffa disappeared on July 30, 1975. He is believed to have been murdered by the Mafia and was declared legally dead in 1982. Hoffa's legacy continues to stir debate.

The FBI has nothing better to do. If only they were this enthusiastic about January 6th.

But I will say. Closer for his children and grandchildren, would be a good thing for them.

Thx R47.

I grew up hearing things about him in pop culture. Just was never clear about who exactly he was and what he did in life.

[quote]People are saying that Donald Trump killed him and he is now buried under Mar-a-Lago

And to think, each weekend, Lá Sènatrice sayshays unknowingly above his remains in the garden.

R18 here. It would be an interesting psychological study to figure out why Americans are so obsessed with conspiracies such as JFK's death, Hoffa's death, Howard Hughes' death, and 9/11.

As someone above stated, the truth is normally very boring and straightforward compared to what we imagine and/or conjure up. You don't hear much about Germans questioning Hitler's death. Or Russians questioning the Romanoffs' death. Do we feel more of a need to investigate and question just because we are in a democratic society here in the US?

It may be related to our individualistic society. Believing in a conspiracy can make you feel distinguished and special compared to the average “sheeple,” which is perhaps why lots of conspiracy theorists are people down on their luck who might otherwise feel like losers in American society.

I actually suggested that in a conversation with a friend, r51. My question too is do we really have more of a percentage of people compared to the rest of the world who are into conspiracy theories? Or is it that they’re about the same and our enormous social media culture just makes it appear that there are more than there are.

[quote] He's an example of a high IQ person born into a poor background. He could easily have turned into a successful criminal himself, but he chose the high road.

Uh, he was a criminal himself. Successful is debatable.

[quote]He was last seen in the parking lot of the Machus Red Fox Restaurant in Bloomfield Township, which is about 20-some miles northwest of Detroit.

No one was suspicious when meat loaf suddenly appeared on the menu the next day?

he's been fed to the fishes. there is no way they would leave any evidence behind.

The original study of conspiracy theories in US history: "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."

I was about to post this

I do think there is a lot mixing things together there r51. I admit I'm drawn to the JFK conspiracy stuff, and like so many I just don't believe Oswald shot him for no particular reason and that Jack Ruby shot Oswald to save Jackie the pain of some Oswald Trial.

The others? Well, I'm not sure there is really a lot of conspiracy theory around Hoffa. I think it's pretty clear and most people accept that the mob killed him, cause he was all tangled up in mob business and was a threat in some way. If the government tried to release some silly statement that it was all an unfortunate mugging gone awry or a kidnapping by some crazy serial killer, there would definitely be some "conspiracy" theory stuff going on because the official finding would be pretty ridiculous.

Don't know much about Hughes' death, and don't buy the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld knew about 9/11 or planned it stuff, so I'll give you that.

I am curious if Russians really believe any official explanation of the Romanovs' death. WAS there even an official explanation during the Soviet Union, or was it all, we don't talk about that. And in both Soviet Russia and Putin's Russia, I can't imagine any sane person believes any official government statement about most anything really, so if that is all it takes to be a conspiracy theorist, I would think it's a whole nation of conspiracy theorists.

And I'll add, just because I am intrigued now, there is a rich tradition of conspiracies, and exaggerated fear of conspiracies in Europe, especially in the 19th and 20th centuries. Marxists, Communists, Freemasons, Fascists, Nazis, Monarchists, Bonarpartists, Serbian Black Hand, damn it was one long roll call of conspiracies all over the continent for almost a century, and of course on the other side, people sure that behind every reform proposal was a wild-eyed anarchist conspiring to overthrow well, somebody!

Not sure if modern western Europeans have completely ditched all that.

I've always heard a conspiracy theory that Hitler did not die in the bunker but lived his last days in Bolivia. Not sure if that's an American theory or they actually thought that in Germany.

I don’t believe for a minute Hitler committed suicide.

As a 15-year old in the summer of 1972, I saw Jimmy Hoffa at the airport (his wife & my family & I were on the same flight to Miami) & made a point of glaring at him to register my deep dislike.

Hoffa/JFK 2024!

Jimmy Hoffa to appear at next Trump rally.

Hilter's body was never found!

what a fucking waste of our tax dollars! They need to retrain all the cunts, esp the ones who fucked up that FL case with Brian whatever his name was...

[quote] Hilter's body was never found!

Sure it was. And modern science determined it was him as well as how he and Braun died.

[quote]Hilter's body was never found!

I don't know about HIlter, but Hitler's body was found and verified as his through forensic dental analysis.

PLEASE^! STOP IT.

You could pull a tooth and put inside another corpse. No way would a megalomaniac like Adolf Hitler commit suicide. He lived until 1979 in Argentina.

No way a megalomaniac would live his life in obscurity in Argentina.

Yes he would.

South America was a huge Nazi sympathizer.

No r72. Look at our noted megalomaniac, Dump. Not remotely possible.

Okay…enough. I’m done. You win. Go away.

Please. You’re the one claiming Hitler lived in Argentina and I’m the one who needs to go away? You must be a flat Earther and 911 truther too.

No.

They dug up some guys back yard in Michigan. Tore it up. Found nothing. I suspect the same thing will happen here.

So they find his body ... then what?

They win a prize!!

Why does anyone really care in 2021? His enemies won, he's dead.

[quote]You could pull a tooth and put inside another corpse.

No, you can't. You can't pull a tooth from someone and stick it in the jaw of another without it being obvious as hell what you've done. And it wasn't one tooth. It's a jaw with all of the dental hardware that came with it.

[quote]No way would a megalomaniac like Adolf Hitler commit suicide

It is logical that he would commit suicide. Hitler saw himself as the central figure in a real life grand Wagnerian opera. He believed that his & Germany's fates were inextricably bound, he WAS Germany and vice versa. Both would either emerge from the war in glorious triumph or go down together in a grand blazing spectacle of ashes, ruin, and death. This was his Götterdämmerung. All or nothing, he wouldn't live without Germany and he believed that Germany should not exist without him. Like the possessive psycho ex-husband/boyfriend who doesn't want to live without his wife/girlfriend and doesn't want her to live without him.

He was never going to find the kind of power he’d had in Germany anywhere else. He was on top of the world for a time, where do you go from there? What was there for him to escape to? Hiding out in some South American backwater, fearing for his life? Going from being one of the most powerful people in the world to being a pathetic, powerless nobody? Being confronted every day with his own failures, knowing how close he'd come to having it all? In the end the bitterness of it would have been too much to bear. As it was, he died as the Fuhrer of the Third Reich.

I'm a Canadian who lives right across the border from Detroit and every few years this happens: someone claims to know what actually happened to Jimmy Hoffa and where his remains are AND the police start digging and looking all over again. Well boys, here we go again........just like clockwork.

I remember when Charlie Chaplin's body was stolen from the cemetary in Switzerland the robbers phoned Oona Chaplin for a ransom. She replied "He's dead. Keep him!"

Well put, R82. I've been thinking about the Hitler conspiracy threads since I saw the dental record linked above. No way Hitler would've lived in exile quietly...anywhere.

[quote] This was his Götterdämmerung.

Oh please don’t curse. Not on the sabbath.

[quote] They dug up some guys back yard in Michigan. Tore it up. Found nothing. I suspect the same thing will happen here.

Except this time it’ll be a whole helluva lot more expensive than some dude’s yard.

[quote] I remember when Charlie Chaplin's body was stolen from the cemetary

Oh, dear.

"Make your teacher blithe and merry ... put no 'a's in "cemetery."

It's also possible the government wants to information on this case because it ties into other cases that are less known to the general public. Not everything that happens is publicized.

Hoffa went for a complete "change" and is now known as Taylor Swift.

Itsa eatin' me up all inside!

Itsa me, I confessa, I offa Hoffa!

The best theory had him cremated within hours of his assassination.

They are never going to find him.

Could this be Hoffa? The timeline is right.

Hoffa disappeared in Detroit. Why would anyone drag him (alive or dead) all the way to Nevada?

He was disposed of in a humanitarian and sustainable fashion: in a trash compactor. What're the Feds a-gonna do, declare martial law on every landfill they can find?