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Trans prof pens treatise on 'Minor Attracted Persons'

"There is little research into non-offending MAPs, a group whose experiences offer valuable insights into the prevention of child abuse. Using data from interview-based research, A Long, Dark Shadow offers a crucial account of the lived experiences of this hidden population."

Naturally, the media reduces this to a pro-pedo trope. With pix of the author/ess as icing on the cake. A perfect moral panic recipe!

Cue the pile on.

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by Anonymousreply 152December 4, 2021 5:54 AM

GET RID OF BTQ+. ENOUGH OF THE FREAKSHOW BULLSHIT. It makes actual gay people look insane like BTQ+ having their freakshow cuntery affiliated with us!

by Anonymousreply 1November 18, 2021 3:36 AM

R1 Yes to getting rid of the TQ+ but we Bs have always been here. And, unlike the others, bisexuality is a non-heterosexual sexual orientation, so we ain't going anywhere, hoss.

by Anonymousreply 2November 18, 2021 3:54 AM

And, no MAP don't get an invite to the party either. GLB people suffered to much from the public thinking all GLBs were molesters.

by Anonymousreply 3November 18, 2021 3:56 AM

LGBTQMAP

Looks great!

by Anonymousreply 4November 18, 2021 4:18 AM

Enough of these mentally ill freaks.

by Anonymousreply 5November 18, 2021 4:21 AM

R2 umm, you bi cunts do nothing but sit on the sidelines which you've done from the beginning, while gay people were being persecuted and fighting for gay rights. You cunts only show up when you feel like it, and you bi cunts are the exact ones who have sex with trans people and push bisexuality into gay spaces. So yes, you don't deserve to be apart of the gay community, along with the TQ+ freaks!

by Anonymousreply 6November 18, 2021 4:54 AM

r2 The bisexuals literally brought the T into the L and G movement. They demanded to join and then demanded the T came with it.

by Anonymousreply 7November 18, 2021 5:05 AM

I want to say this map shit won't fly because the feminist lesbians will put a stop to it, but the trans brigade is loud and strong and they seem to be more open to it. There is always a high profile trans person saying children aren't innocent, or children are kinky, or whatever.

by Anonymousreply 8November 18, 2021 5:16 AM

So R2, what part of, this is a GAY WEBSITE don't you understand!? Oh that's right, you bi cunts just piggyback onto whatever gay people create and what gay people fought for, while you go off and fuck females and trans freaks. At least you bi cunts are consistent I guess in the whole narcissistic invader department. And yeah, you bi cunts have always been around the gay community, which is why we have so much fucking retardation happening with homosexuality being replaced with bisexuality and fucking frankenstein transsexualism, and now actual paedophiles being included in the gay community because of you BTQ+ cunts.

by Anonymousreply 9November 18, 2021 5:21 AM

I've read about this lunatic. They're definitely pushing to make pedophiles part of the LGBT+ community. There is a professor from Toronto who has been advocating for their inclusion as well, saying gays are hypocrites if we don't include them. He's a gay man (I think, who knows these days). They want the study 'Minor Attracted Persons' to be just another branch of 'queer theory'.

It's vile but they're being very subtle and calculated in how they're pushing it. Buckle up everyone, we're gonna have to deal with this mess soon! Isn't it great being LGBTQ? *Gags*

Someone bring back the concept of the gay community, please.

by Anonymousreply 10November 18, 2021 5:23 AM

R10 bisexuals and trans freaks are responsible for Queer Theory and the sexual fluidity BULLSHIT.

by Anonymousreply 11November 18, 2021 5:25 AM

r8 Most of these 'trans men' were lesbians and womens studies Majors lmao

by Anonymousreply 12November 18, 2021 5:28 AM

[R12]Yeah but the terfs and the swerfs are mostly lesbians, and they are mostly against the MAP stuff.

by Anonymousreply 13November 18, 2021 5:31 AM

This is female to male, correct? They thinks they is so very clever but they appears to have an IQ of 100 tops and they has no business being a university professor.

by Anonymousreply 14November 18, 2021 5:35 AM

This is a very confused woman with whiskers, trying to pass off as non-binary. She definitely doesn't pass as male by any stretch of the imagination.

The things we're expected to accept because "we're all LGBTQ".... it really is beyond the pale.

by Anonymousreply 15November 18, 2021 5:42 AM

She just wants a baby...

by Anonymousreply 16November 18, 2021 6:46 AM

Its so much fun carrying on like crazed torch-bearing villagers ready to burn down Frankenstein's castle, and murder the Elephant Man. Doesn't do much for knowledge, but it's fun being a frau. One doesn't have to think.

by Anonymousreply 17November 18, 2021 3:21 PM

If they don't offend, i.e. act on their urges, the law creates no special category for MAPS. Everyone deserves basic human rights and dignity. This is of course an old fashioned, almost Christian, view. I'm sure this prof made all sorts of strange postmodern claims however. Did they really argue that the LGBTQ movement must now embrace MAPS? Has anyone here actually read the book?

by Anonymousreply 18November 18, 2021 4:52 PM

R2 I am bi as well, and I totally disagree with you. Black organizations are not called “Black and Biracial”. Why? Because being biracial is included in Black due to how White society defines race.

Likewise, as someone who is technically “Bi”, I still identify as gay unless somehow my attraction to women comes up. I am married to a man. I “present” as gay; straight society sees me as gay. So I am gay. Fuck this idea of “bi inclusion”. Bi people are not discriminated against for being bi. They are discriminated against for being gay.

by Anonymousreply 19November 18, 2021 5:16 PM

Her fake mustache is hilarious.

This bitch needs to be run out of town. She should certainly not be allowed to teach ever again.

by Anonymousreply 20November 18, 2021 5:42 PM

R19 Thank you. I'm a woman, I am bi and have nothing to do with these lunatics. Trans has nothing to do with sexual orientation, and pedos can have their own party. After centuries of gay men fighting against the prejudice of them being pedos, some idiot bitch comes and invites actual pedos in, ... I agree with R14 . She has an IQ of 100, but that's a generous estimate.

by Anonymousreply 21November 18, 2021 9:07 PM

Biracial is emerging as a category or rather mixed race. In the US the historical one drop rule and Black solidarity basically suppressed the category of mixed race for Blacks. Other races not so much. And then when you move to the Catholic Caribbean and South America all sorts of categories emerge. New Orleans is in many ways like a Catholic Caribbean country on this.

by Anonymousreply 22November 18, 2021 9:21 PM

Also ... imagine getting into student debt - for this.

by Anonymousreply 23November 19, 2021 12:31 AM

r19 Dont call yourself gay, you annoying bishit. And in other threads you are going on about how whenever you 'crave' pussy you fuck transmen. So despite being married to a man, you are still fucking women. Thats makes you pretty fucking bi, and not at all gay you gaslighting fuuuuuuuuuck.

You are as annoying as the 20 year old queer girls. Fuck you, and I feel sorry for your 'husband'.

by Anonymousreply 24November 19, 2021 3:58 AM

R2 You should not be calling yourself gay. You're misleading people and making a mockery of my sexual orientation. You're just a coward.

by Anonymousreply 25November 19, 2021 4:01 AM

That was directed to R19

by Anonymousreply 26November 19, 2021 4:04 AM

It's clear that people who hate the "T and the Q" like the alleged bisexual does ALSO hate bisexuals. The far-right evangelical groups that want to cure gays don't like bisexuals either, and the radfems hate bisexuals, as r24 demonstrates.

It's also clear that any bisexual character that shows up on DL is a troll, and if you can't tell that someone who shows up out of the blue saying "I'm bisexual and I fuck trans when I'm horny for pussy" is a troll, then there is no hope for you.

by Anonymousreply 27November 19, 2021 4:07 AM

R27 I have no problem with bisexuals until they start playing games and lying.

by Anonymousreply 28November 19, 2021 4:14 AM

r27 Im not a fucking radfem, you retard. I am gay man that is so fucking over gaslighting bisexuals. And im sick of letting this shit slide. If you need a safe space to talk about your 'queerness' then pop off to reddit. Or 4chan, as you seem to think ANYONE who disagrees with your worldview is a 4chan troll (one must spend a bit of time there to know what that is, no?). I sure as fuck won't accept some bisexual - especially one who actively engages in sex with females - call themselves gay. Which is ironic seeing as though you called me a radfem - many of them are bi women who call themselves gay; 'political lesbianism' and such

by Anonymousreply 29November 19, 2021 4:15 AM

There should be more research done on MAPs and treatment of their disorders. It would benefit society. The understandable stigma inhibits research. I’m sure there are many MAPs who are non-offending and would want help— I can imagine the fear of reaching out to a therapist and being honest about this disordered thinking. I don’t believe the term “MAP” is necessarily meant to validate and affirm these disorders. It is more of an umbrella term rather than the term pedophile which is one category but is often thrown around inaccurately. I’m sure there are NAMBLA types that do use the term MAP as a way to validate themselves and live in denial about their disordered attractions, elbow their way into the LGBT+ (among with many other groups— i’m a millennial who is all for LG at this point) but it doesn’t mean that it has no use for categorization in the world of psychology.

by Anonymousreply 30November 19, 2021 12:22 PM

[bold] [italic] THOSE PESKY TRANS.

ALWAYS UP TO NO GOOD

FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE OP TO MONITOR THEM AND KEEP US APPRISED OF THEIR CONSTANT MISDEEDS AND ATTEMPTS TO INSTALL THE TRANS WORLD ORDER

THANK YOU OP!

--THE GAYS

by Anonymousreply 31November 19, 2021 12:24 PM

I agree with the idea. Non-offending pedophiles should be able to get help without stigma so they don't harm others. It must be absolute hell to carry that compulsion around with you all the time and I respect anyone who can carry that burden, I don't think most people could.

But it's never enough with these people. Sex with children is the golden source of queer theory from Foucault who raped boys in Morocco to John Money who progenitored gender theory with 'experiments' involving 2 brothers simulating sex. Pedophilia is in the bones of queer theory that's why I never identified with it (and I don't begrudge anyone who does).

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by Anonymousreply 32November 19, 2021 12:43 PM

R24 I have no idea what you are talking about. You know there are various bi posters on DL, right?

by Anonymousreply 33November 19, 2021 12:54 PM

This thread proves the value of the term "Queer." Anyone who is not straight and narrow who wants to be included in the word "Queer" is easily included. No need to fight about which letter appears or in which order.

Queers are MUCH easier to get along with than are the uptight others clinging to their favorite letter.

by Anonymousreply 34November 19, 2021 1:01 PM

Being a Minor Attracted Person is fine, but what do you do when the little bitches ask for it?

by Anonymousreply 35November 19, 2021 1:15 PM

Gay people need to drop the terms LGBT and Queer and put distance between the gay community and the poisonous alphabet soup. The pedos and bestiality freaks are trying to latch on.

by Anonymousreply 36November 19, 2021 1:35 PM

r33 And YOU know that people can see your posting history, right?

by Anonymousreply 37November 20, 2021 3:57 AM

Update from WAPO:

ODU professor steps down after firestorm over research into ‘minor-attracted people’

Old Dominion University professor Allyn Walker, whose research into adults who are sexually attracted to minors drew protests and threats, has agreed to step down, Walker and the school announced in a joint statement Wednesday.

Walker, an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice, had been placed on administrative leave Nov. 16. They now will remain on leave until the expiration of their current contract in May.

Walker’s research into “minor-attracted people” and their use of that term had been met with an outcry from students and others online, who claimed that such language destigmatized sex offenders. Walker has maintained that their work was intended to better understand would-be sex offenders and prevent child sexual abuse.

“That research was mischaracterized by some in the media and online, partly on the basis of my trans identity,” Walker said in the statement Wednesday. “As a result, multiple threats were made against me and the campus community generally.”

Walker’s book “A Long, Dark Shadow: Minor-Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity,” published in June, challenges “widespread assumptions that persons who are preferentially attracted to minors — often referred to as 'pedophiles’ — are necessarily also predators and sex offenders,” according to the University of California Press.

ODU students said they learned about the book earlier this month, and Kayla Foster, a senior studying criminal justice, thereafter started an online petition that called for Walker’s removal. Foster told The Post that Walker’s book gave pedophiles “a pat on the back” for not acting on their attractions.

As of Wednesday, when Walker stepped down, her petition had amassed more than 14,000 signatures.

ODU President Brian O. Hemphill said Walker’s resignation would be “the best way to move forward.”

“The safety and security of individual Monarchs and our collective campus are of the utmost importance,” Hemphill said in the statement. “For ODU, these will always remain top priorities as we pursue our mission in a caring, inclusive, and supportive community, one that respects academic freedom and remains willing to discuss controversial ideas in an atmosphere free of intimidation or violence.”

Other researchers, however, defended Walker’s scholarship and had called on ODU’s administration to do more to support them.

A letter addressed to Hemphill and other administrators Monday, signed by more than 60 professors in sexual abuse prevention, mental health, human sexuality and criminology, said the public backlash “reflects a misunderstanding and mischaracterization of Walker’s research.”

“We are strongly committed to creating a world without child sexual abuse,” they wrote. “In order to accomplish this daunting goal both ethically and effectively, it is essential to have a complete understanding of the issue, and this requires dissemination of research findings even when they contradict popular assumptions.”

by Anonymousreply 38November 26, 2021 10:48 AM

R30 there is plenty of research on how to manage paraphiliias. I had a patient with MR, he was stuck at the level of middle school. And that is who he gravitated towards. He got arrested for touching a minor. He was already on a high dose of SSRI and we decided to put him on Depo Provera (progesterone injection) - the scientific literature supported that. Worked great - killed his libido and he could live at home as opposed to a locked facility.

by Anonymousreply 39November 26, 2021 10:57 AM

That’s a woman. And androgynous woman. An androgynous woman who thinks that if she becomes a man she can take advantage of male privilege. Little does she know that it won’t.

by Anonymousreply 40November 26, 2021 11:55 AM

I'm all for maintaining stigma against pedos. And murderers.

by Anonymousreply 41November 26, 2021 12:01 PM

Each day I feel ever stronger that gay, lesbian and bisexual people should embrace LGB and leave the TQIAPK+ lot to their own devices. It's totally out of control now.

by Anonymousreply 42November 26, 2021 12:14 PM

If Professor Walker had spent more time reading Data Lounge, he would have known that the intellectually lazy though excitable types will NOT allow a distinction between a thought and an action. They've never been big on freedom of expression. Except for themselves, in which case no holds are barred.

Oh, well. This is a teaching moment for the departed Professor who was dealing with naivete he didn't even know he had. Better luck next time, doc.

by Anonymousreply 43November 26, 2021 12:34 PM

R30 is the only person on this thread with a brain.

Allyn Walker will do fine at their new school where people know the difference between studying a disorder and advocating for its acceptance as normal.

by Anonymousreply 44November 26, 2021 1:05 PM

R37 Lol No they can’t. Don’t you know how DL works?

by Anonymousreply 45November 26, 2021 1:06 PM

R44 But she wasn’t doing that.

by Anonymousreply 46November 26, 2021 1:07 PM

[quote] Walker thinks that pedophiles shouldn't be seen as 'immoral' because they can't help their urges

Some people have a compulsion to start fires. The existence of the urge doesn’t make ot fundamentally non-harmful.

by Anonymousreply 47November 26, 2021 1:10 PM

[quote] But she wasn’t doing that.

80 noted scholars and the Washington Post disagree.

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by Anonymousreply 48November 26, 2021 1:12 PM

For one, she uses the term MAP, which is already a huge reg flag. It’s disgusting. And, she advocates for child sex dolls, when research shows that only leads to future abuse of children.

First, she will argue for sex dolls. Then it will be naked childrens photos. Then, it will be child porn because “it is already filmed”. When does it stop?

The number one reason pedophiles do not act out on it is because it is so highly stigmatized. This is a red line that society show not cross. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 49November 26, 2021 1:13 PM

R48 I am sure those 80 scholars, as well as Walker, would be all too happy to cancel scholars who say things like “only women have Vaginas”. So, honestly, I don’t give a fuck what they say.

by Anonymousreply 50November 26, 2021 1:16 PM

[quote] Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

You mean like actual experts in the field?

[quote] Elizabeth Letourneau, the director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, said Walker “is not the first person to turn their attention to that type of work.” “Several others in the field have been working with people with sexual attraction to children who are committed to not offending,” Letourneau said. “And it’s the way of the future.”

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by Anonymousreply 51November 26, 2021 1:16 PM

[quote] I am sure those 80 scholars, as well as Walker, would be all too happy to cancel scholars who say things like “only women have Vaginas”.

Can we just make up stuff to condemn people now? Cool.

by Anonymousreply 52November 26, 2021 1:17 PM

You guys let these freak shows in, now they’re your problem. Conservative and even classically Liberal gays and lesbians have been warning about this for years. I am so done. I’ve done plenty for gay rights, but now I’ve moved on and I’m content to watch this community destroy itself because there are no leaders bold enough anymore to stand up to the spoiled children on Twitter who demand INCLUSION of everyone into this community.

I’ve fought. Gays and lesbians have won. In 2021 in America my homosexuality is practically irrelevant to most things in my life and career. I’m content to make money, live a good life, and enjoy the rights that I and so many others have fought for.

And, by the way, we’re not “STILL FIGHTING” - That’s HRC and GLAAD propaganda meant to keep you in a state of fear and victimhood so they remain relevant and keep the money train rolling in.

I’m leaving this Q insanity, the drag queens, and the pedophile shit to the lunatics who have co-opted this movement and virtually assured its destruction in the coming decade or two.

by Anonymousreply 53November 26, 2021 1:18 PM

My pussy stinks.

by Anonymousreply 54November 26, 2021 1:20 PM

FTM made me love pussy. Sorry not sorry. I only fuck pussy on trans men now.

by Anonymousreply 55November 26, 2021 1:20 PM

It's immoral because children cannot consent, they are not physically or emotionally matured for intercourse. Sexual abuse causes severe emotional and physical trauma that ruins lives. I do think people overuse the term pedophilia to include attraction to anyone under 18. I don't think ephebephilia is a real because once a person is sexually developed, they are not a literal child anymore. Pedophiles on the other hand have compulsive attraction to prepubescent children with little sexual dimorphism, they are not interested in teens or adults with developed bodies and minds.

by Anonymousreply 56November 26, 2021 1:20 PM

[quote] It's immoral because children cannot consent

Where is their work did they say it wasn't?

So, wait. Are people hating the prof because they are trans? Or are we disputing their work without any understanding of it? You people are all over the place on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 57November 26, 2021 1:23 PM

R51 A pedophile expert in Germany placed foster children with pedophiles and allowed them to be molested, so excuse me for not trusting the so called “experts”.

Pedophiles will do anything to be with children. Wouldn’t surprise me if these so-called experts are just pedophiles working from the inside.

by Anonymousreply 58November 26, 2021 1:24 PM

R57 Imagine working this hard to defend pedophiles.

by Anonymousreply 59November 26, 2021 1:26 PM

[quote]The existence of the urge doesn’t make ot fundamentally non-harmful.

A brilliant example of Data Lounge Word Salad. And NOT because of the typo.

by Anonymousreply 60November 26, 2021 1:27 PM

[quote] A pedophile expert in Germany placed foster children with pedophiles and allowed them to be molested, so excuse me for not trusting the so called “experts”.

Oh for fuck's sake.

[quote] Pedophiles will do anything to be with children. Wouldn’t surprise me if these so-called experts are just pedophiles working from the inside.

You are a vile piece of shit to imply something this heinous without any evidence.

[quote] Imagine working this hard to defend pedophiles.

No one is doing that.

by Anonymousreply 61November 26, 2021 1:28 PM

Singular and plural are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!

by Anonymousreply 62November 26, 2021 1:33 PM

There are probably very very very few pedos that don’t act out. At a minimum they’re consuming child porn, which is very much illegal. You can’t fix these people. Gays know more than anyone you can’t erase your sexuality.

by Anonymousreply 63November 26, 2021 1:49 PM

Has it kept its original fish grotto, or has it attached a limp tube fashioned from forearm flesh to its crotch?

by Anonymousreply 64November 26, 2021 1:49 PM

No r44, you tranny fucker…her career is finished.

No university will be willing to employ such a notorious and fugly controversy magnet.

by Anonymousreply 65November 26, 2021 2:11 PM

[quote] No [R44], you tranny fucker…her career is finished. No university will be willing to employ such a notorious and fugly controversy magnet.

Yeah, you are entirely wrong.

by Anonymousreply 66November 26, 2021 2:13 PM

^ Okay Miss Allyn Walker, Doctor Of Kiddie Diddling

by Anonymousreply 67November 26, 2021 2:17 PM

Is that supposed to be clever?

by Anonymousreply 68November 26, 2021 2:19 PM

^Ugly women are notorious for their humorlessness

by Anonymousreply 69November 26, 2021 2:22 PM

Her dudegash must stink to high heaven!

by Anonymousreply 70November 26, 2021 2:23 PM

Isn’t it strange that you never have adults who have been raped as children by pedophiles clamor to make this legal? I refuse to use the white washed “MAP”, and I don’t feel sorry for the “burden” pedophiles, offending or non offending are crying, I feel sorry for the millions of people who have been raped as children and have had their lives destroyed as a result.

by Anonymousreply 71November 26, 2021 2:42 PM

People who have no actual arguments resort to personal insults.

by Anonymousreply 72November 26, 2021 2:42 PM

People who have ludicrous and harmful arguments are fun to personally insult

by Anonymousreply 73November 26, 2021 2:47 PM

I think people who recognize pedophilic attraction should absolutely seek therapy and treatment to better prevent from offending. These attractions start manifestation in the teen years. It's difficult because obviously a teenager would not want to be outed as a pedo but if anything can stop the abuse of children it should be encouraged.

Also, the sex offender registry is stupid. So many people who aren't sexual predators end up on it. Like two teens who are sexting. An 18 year old sleeping with a 16 year old who lied about their age. Or someone who was peeing outside and got caught by the police.

by Anonymousreply 74November 26, 2021 2:49 PM

[Quote] Isn’t it strange that you never have adults who have been raped as children by pedophiles clamor to make this legal?

No one here is trying to make pedophilia legal.

[quote] I refuse to use the white washed “MAP”, and I don’t feel sorry for the “burden” pedophiles, offending or non offending are crying,

No one is asking you to feel sorry.

[quote] I feel sorry for the millions of people who have been raped as children and have had their lives destroyed as a result.

Everyone agrees with this

The professor studies the issue to try to prevent child abuse. Nothing else.

by Anonymousreply 75November 26, 2021 3:18 PM

R75 is very invested in defending that fugly pedo enabling tranny.

by Anonymousreply 76November 26, 2021 3:21 PM

Does the truth matter or not, r76?

Do you want to actually prevent child abuse or just beat your chest about it?

The fact that you keep call that person "fugly" -- as if their looks are relevant -- and a "pedo" -- which there is absolutely no reason to believe they are -- pretty much proves that you don't actually care about the truth or the abused.

by Anonymousreply 77November 26, 2021 3:32 PM

R61 What vial accusation? Didn’t you say there is nothing wrong being being a pedophile?

by Anonymousreply 78November 26, 2021 3:33 PM

Truth hurts doesn’t it r77

by Anonymousreply 79November 26, 2021 3:35 PM

[quote] So yes, you don't deserve to be apart of the gay community,

Wait I thought you were arguing for their being apart from the gay community, but now you’re saying they shouldn’t be apart from the gay community?

by Anonymousreply 80November 26, 2021 3:39 PM

[Quote] [R61] What vial accusation? Didn’t you say there is nothing wrong being being a pedophile.

No, I never said that.

[quote] Truth hurts doesn’t it [R77]

What would you know about the truth?

by Anonymousreply 81November 26, 2021 3:44 PM

Oh, it looks like Allyn is in this thread. Lots of free time now, huh? Let us know if you ever get another teaching job, freak.

by Anonymousreply 82November 26, 2021 3:46 PM

Is Allyn’s dead name Ellen? Does it feel kinship with pedos, because it was never liked nor loved? It has no friends, that much is clear.

Could you answer the questions r81?

by Anonymousreply 83November 26, 2021 3:57 PM

The term ‘minor attracted person’ is a whitewash. Let’s just say what it is: actual or potential child rapist. Intending child rapist, biding their time. Very few people without pharmaceutical intervention manage to be celibate. Dr Allyn Walker is reported as suggesting that pedophiles should be allowed to use dolls which are very lifelike/childlike, to practice their rapes. And doesn’t imagine what this might lead to. And their PhD thesis, it’s reported, suggested pedos should be permitted to view child pornography as a 'harm reduction technique' or 'form of therapy'. Well, here’s the news: child porn is made by real children being raped and abused, in front of cameras. It’s not a victimless activity or one that keeps children safe. In suggesting this, Dr Walker is suggesting that we carry on letting children be raped, for other pedos to watch.

THAT is the stumbling block. I’d agree that potential child abusers need intervention before they commit rape. But it’s by chemicl castration and intensive psychotherapy, not by giving them a child-doll to rape and child porn to watch.

NONE of these people should be associated with the Lesbian & Gay community.

by Anonymousreply 84November 26, 2021 4:01 PM

We put down rabid dogs because rabies is incurable and if a rabid dog bites someone the someone will die painfully. That's the only mentality that should be associated with sexual predators of children. I stand by this statement.

Search MAP on twitter and tell me that this shit isn't step one in enabling fucking children. Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 85November 26, 2021 4:05 PM

R81 see R84?

Do you agree with your dearest Allyn that pedos should be allowed to view CP?

by Anonymousreply 86November 26, 2021 4:06 PM

I have no idea what the professor's dead name.

I have no reason to believe the professor feels a "kinship" with pedos.

There is no evidence to think the professor has no friends and no reason why you think that is clear, r83.

by Anonymousreply 87November 26, 2021 4:07 PM

[QUOTE]Among some groups of predisposed individuals, easy access to a wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography could serve as a substitute for involvement with actual victims,' Walker wrote.

Let’s just take that on board: Dr Walker can talk glibly about ‘engrossing and high-quality child pornography’. Stop and think about what that means: actual children, being subjected to the most appalling, destructive rapes and sexual abuse, to create the most ‘engrossing’ hideous, disgusting pornography anyone can imagine, for adult pedophiles to watch and get sexually aroused by.

Dr Walker isn’t quoted as seeing what’s wrong with that, or with being concerned for the child victims of pedo-pornographers. That lack of recognition, or possibly the idea that it’s even acceptable, is what we need to be angered by.

by Anonymousreply 88November 26, 2021 4:10 PM

Allyn / Ellen is obviously autistic, as well as being an unloved pedo enabling front hole tranny as it’s response in r87 shows

by Anonymousreply 89November 26, 2021 4:10 PM

OP, speak English.

by Anonymousreply 90November 26, 2021 4:12 PM

[quote] your dearest Allyn

Just stop. I don't know this professor and this is just tired bullshit.

Clearly you would rather attack me than give the littlest time to understanding this person's work.

by Anonymousreply 91November 26, 2021 4:12 PM

WTF is a MAP?

by Anonymousreply 92November 26, 2021 4:13 PM

I get what they’re saying. Bill Maher said the same thing years ago. A lot of these people don’t seek treatment because of the stigma.

by Anonymousreply 93November 26, 2021 4:15 PM

[quote] There are probably very very very few pedos that don’t act out.

There’s no way of knowing.

by Anonymousreply 94November 26, 2021 4:16 PM

Children are dreadfully tedious, and childhood innocence is wildly overrated. To call it a virtue is sentimentality at its most crass.

I'd have no problem with them all being raised by licensed professorial pedos to toughen them up, make them intellectually interesting, and to stop their goddamn noise and fidgeting, and prepare them for adult sluthood. If this professor can get the wheels turning on such a bold and desperately needed initiative, more power to her, because the Catholic Church has grossly failed in its traditional duty here. And if we can get fraus shipped off to convents by the container load, all the better.

by Anonymousreply 95November 26, 2021 4:39 PM

Unfortunately there seemed to be a lot of gay and lesbian scholars and activists of the 70s that were sympathetic to NAMBLA. It blows my mind. Like Allen Ginsberg, Camille Paglia, Samuel R Delany and Michel Foucault. I don't think they themselves were child abusers but they were definitely on the transgressive, postmodern side to destroy the " puritanical traditions" and also very old-school in the "children were miniature adults" bullshit. They said it's not rape unless the child says it and to paint such relations as rape is removing the child's "agency". Today, we know better and we have more science to show kids and teens do not have adult brains and lack the ability to make informed decisions.

by Anonymousreply 96November 26, 2021 4:41 PM

Wow that professor needs to get a little bass in his voice.

My father used to deepen his voice when he answered the phone. Come jeez.

by Anonymousreply 97November 26, 2021 4:44 PM

We protect the children at ALL cost because they are children. If paedophiles can be helped by psychotherapy or chemically, more power to them. But having a person, such as this obviously flawed individual (Professor What's It), offer solutions to the problem is irony at its height.

by Anonymousreply 98November 26, 2021 4:46 PM

R84 and R85 I totally agree. Pedos are incurable and harbour too much potential risk to be left out in the community with some sort of chemical or biological intervention that permanently eliminates their sex drive altogether.

And yes, we need to draw an extremely hard line against these individuals, they have no part in the LGB or even T community, they have tried to poison us before

by Anonymousreply 99November 26, 2021 5:07 PM

R96, the difference is NAMBLA wanted to make fucking children normal. That’s not what this person is saying. People throw around the term pedophile incorrectly as well. We’d be better off encouraging these people to seek treatment.

by Anonymousreply 100November 26, 2021 10:56 PM

R80 it's called a typo, CUNT. We don't have an edit button. I obviously meant, they don't deserve to be "part" of the gay community, given the context of everything in my post. Most people with a functioning brain can work that out, BTQ CUNT.

by Anonymousreply 101November 26, 2021 11:25 PM

Transsexuals are fine. Many just are trying to live their lives. I don't buy majority of the Twitter activists are real trans people. Non-binary are not trans either. There are actual transsexual people (the ones who transitioned properly, got the reassignment surgery and risked it all) who are irritated by what has taken over their community and became the spokesperson for it. The issue is real transsexuals are much more rare, so they can't defend themselves against the Twitter hoards who claim to be trans.

by Anonymousreply 102November 26, 2021 11:59 PM

It's got to be a "Trans prof", OP.. . you do realize that pedophilia is not exclusive to that community, just like it wasn't when homosexual men were branded as pedophiles for like, uh, centuries and centuries? Stupid dickface you are, OP, for posting this shit on here. Go take your anti-trans agenda and go fuck yourself.

by Anonymousreply 103November 27, 2021 12:09 AM

"Likewise, as someone who is technically “Bi”, I still identify as gay unless somehow my attraction to women comes up. I am married to a man. I “present” as gay; straight society sees me as gay. So I am gay. Fuck this idea of “bi inclusion”. Bi people are not discriminated against for being bi. They are discriminated against for being gay."

Uh gaslighting fucker, you're fucking ATTRACTED TO WOMEN, YOU'RE NOT FUCKING GAY!!!! You bisexual cunt "identifying" as gay is deceitful and that shit needs to stop. You're one of the reasons our community is so fucked up. And how the fuck would a gay man's attraction to woman come up?? It wouldn't! Unless you're a bisexual lying cunt!

by Anonymousreply 104November 27, 2021 12:14 AM

[quote]Transsexuals are fine. Many just are trying to live their lives. I don't buy majority of the Twitter activists are real trans people. Non-binary are not trans either. There are actual transsexual people (the ones who transitioned properly, got the reassignment surgery and risked it all) who are irritated by what has taken over their community and became the spokesperson for it. The issue is real transsexuals are much more rare, so they can't defend themselves against the Twitter hoards who claim to be trans.

R102 you put that perfectly and its so true, I know trans people just like this - quiet demure ladies who wouldnt dream of doing anything so tacky as screaming at people on social media

by Anonymousreply 105November 27, 2021 12:46 AM

R103 is a triggered tranny

by Anonymousreply 106November 27, 2021 2:04 AM

Mentally ill and sick "Allison" with such an unmistakeable "woman's" face

by Anonymousreply 107November 27, 2021 3:37 AM

[quote] Unfortunately there seemed to be [bold]a lot of gay and lesbian scholars and activists[/bold] of the 70s that were sympathetic to NAMBLA. ... but they were definitely on the [bold]transgressive, postmodern side to destroy the " puritanical traditions"[/bold] and also very old-school in the "[bold]children were miniature adults[/bold]" bullshit. They said it's not rape unless the child says it and to paint such relations as rape is [bold]removing the child's "agency[/bold]".

r96 Yes I have seen lots of this kind of sick gays and lesbians. They get such orgasms over all things transgressive, destructive, deconstructive & subversive. Same kind fervently supporting the gender bullshit cult.

by Anonymousreply 108November 27, 2021 3:40 AM

A single individual is not a 'they'.

"They" means a plurality of people. It cannot mean that and its opposite at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 109November 27, 2021 6:06 AM

This thread makes me retch.

Point and blame and label and smear. Usually with little command of the facts or even a basic understanding of the complexities of the matter at hand. And, of course, the pride in the smug feelings of righteousness and superiority about it all.

Who we are as a species is just so goddamned disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 110November 27, 2021 10:35 AM

Bisexuals are the most duplicitous people. Bisexuality men don't tell their females partners that they suck dick and take it up the ass and are on the DL.

by Anonymousreply 111November 27, 2021 12:17 PM

I read an article about this guy and his dissertation/first book is about "minor attracted persons" and their pursuit of dignity. Old Dominion knew what they were getting into when they hired him. Did he court publicity or did the media ferret him out? Old Dominion, or at least their sociology department, deserves some blame here. (Sociology departments are always full of crazy people.)

by Anonymousreply 112November 27, 2021 12:20 PM

I'm a believer in academic freedom, I hate canceling professors on the right and left equally. They were a sociologist with a PhD teaching in a Sociology department and published a university press book in their field. The university should have stood by them. This is a disgraceful precedent. Regardless of what one thinks of Sociology, Sociology Departments, universities or trans.

I'm basically a libertarian. I'm not overly fond of the woke mob or the authoritarianism of the identitarian left. But I'll stand on this.

by Anonymousreply 113November 27, 2021 12:38 PM

I don't understand that argument that "not all 'minor attracted persons' act on their urges, and shouldn't be penalized for who they are!"

If they're not "acting on their urges," how are they being punished?

by Anonymousreply 114November 27, 2021 12:39 PM

[quote] This thread makes me retch.

TRANNY MARY

by Anonymousreply 115November 27, 2021 2:06 PM

R113 The left started this cancellation shit. Professors have been run out of universities for saying “trans women are not women” and “all lives matter”. If the left once to call a truce, then I am all for it. But, until they do, we need to fight fire with fire.

by Anonymousreply 116November 27, 2021 2:16 PM

Isn't this the guy who wrote the SF Gay Men's Chorus ill-advised song "We're Coming After Your Kids!"?

by Anonymousreply 117November 27, 2021 5:19 PM

He’s not guy r117…she’s a mentally unstable woman who is a pedo enabler and who is horrified by her own “front hole”

by Anonymousreply 118November 27, 2021 5:37 PM

Just need to remember who is pushing the trans agenda Jennifer Pritzker (a male who identifies as transgender); George Soros; Martine Rothblatt (a male who identifies as transgender and transhumanist); Tim Gill (a gay man); Drummond Pike; Warren and Peter Buffett; Jon Stryker (a gay man); Mark Bonham (a gay man); and Ric Weiland (a deceased gay man whose philanthropy is still LGBT-oriented). Most of these billionaires fund the transgender lobby and organizations through their own organizations, including corporations.

There are gay men involved in pushing the trans agenda. Probably more than I listed. Why are they working against their own community?

by Anonymousreply 119November 27, 2021 5:47 PM

You forgot Jeff Stryker, Amanda LePore and Blaire White r119

by Anonymousreply 120November 27, 2021 5:51 PM

r119 many people are pushing the trans agenda. George Soros is used as a synonym for "the Jews". I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rothschilds and Bill Gates.

by Anonymousreply 121November 27, 2021 5:52 PM

^^ To add to r121 - this is conspiracy nuts.

by Anonymousreply 122November 27, 2021 5:52 PM

R113 and R116 My sister is an academic and she told me that it's so much worse than people imagine. She said that her school had these department meetings where a "student representative" came and lectured them about having diversity in the material.

My sister teaches literature, which tends to skew towards dead while males for the material.

by Anonymousreply 123November 28, 2021 1:01 PM

R110, R113 what do you feel about the children being raped on camera, and their lives and sanity destroyed, to provide the ‘wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography’ that ‘Dr’ Walker thinks could be provided to ‘some groups of predisposed individuals’ , on ‘easy access’?

by Anonymousreply 124November 28, 2021 8:05 PM

To all who argue that this person isn't a pedo enabler: Only pedos use the term *minor attracted person".

by Anonymousreply 125November 28, 2021 8:29 PM

And only creepy trolls use the term 'pedo enabler.'

by Anonymousreply 126November 29, 2021 6:11 AM

Die, pedo enabler tranny fucker ^

by Anonymousreply 127November 29, 2021 10:05 AM

[quote]The number one reason pedophiles do not act out on it is because it is so highly stigmatized. This is a red line that society show not cross. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

Thread closed.

by Anonymousreply 128November 29, 2021 10:34 AM

"wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography" may be the worst thing I've ever read.

by Anonymousreply 129November 29, 2021 10:53 AM

Yes. Why are Walker's defenders ignoring that statement? Where do they think that wide variety of engrossing and high quality material is going to come from? From the suffering of real live children. These kids would just be collateral damage so these wastes of oxygen can get off? Unfuckingbelievable. And of course, they'll be satisfied with their 'material'; and won't ever need to take it further. Right. That shit is how you know Walker is not speaking in good faith.

by Anonymousreply 130November 29, 2021 11:10 AM

R6 It's fun to watch the "pure" gold star homos bashing the bisexuals for posting here. Poly-blend caftans are self-combusting all over the Midwest.

by Anonymousreply 131November 29, 2021 11:12 AM

I am an obese straight white woman who gets people and threads banned. I control this "gay" website, you fool.

by Anonymousreply 132November 29, 2021 11:14 AM

[quote] I am an obese straight white woman who gets people and threads banned. I control this "gay" website, you fool.

We need a fat girl’s name to reference you. Would it be Beth?

by Anonymousreply 133November 29, 2021 11:22 AM

R8 I remember on a Sally Jessy Raphael episode about 30 years ago which had a lesbian professor on who was supposed to be defending homosexuality & someone in the audience asked her about adults having sex with kids & she was totally okay with it (much to the audience's & SJR's horror). I think SJR gave her a moment to clarify her remarks & she only dug herself deeper.

by Anonymousreply 134November 29, 2021 11:24 AM

[quote] The number one reason pedophiles do not act out on it is because it is so highly stigmatized. This is a red line that society show not cross. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

How would you know that if no one did any research?

by Anonymousreply 135November 29, 2021 11:26 AM

[quote] "wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography" may be the worst thing I've ever read.

It doesn't appear to be something that this professor wrote. It appears to come from someone else's work:

[quote] A review article states that these are plausible hypotheses,[4] but that there is a lack of clarity as to the general applicability of these mechanisms. The authors also note that, "among some groups of predisposed individuals, easy access to a wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography could serve as a substitute for involvement with actual victims".[4]

[quote] Wolak, James; David Finkehor; Kimberly Mitchell; Michele Ybarra (February 2008). "Online "Predators" and Their Victims" (PDF). American Psychologist. 63 (2): 111–128

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 136November 29, 2021 11:41 AM

[quote] Only pedos use the term *minor attracted person".

"Pedos" have nothing to do with the coining of that term. It came from sociologists.

by Anonymousreply 137November 29, 2021 11:44 AM

R136 And how does one produce said CP?

by Anonymousreply 138November 29, 2021 11:48 AM

Read the link above, r138.

[quote] Viewing child pornography decreases the likelihood of an individual committing child sexual abuse. Reasons are that the pornography acts as a substitute for actual offenses. Simulated child pornography is suggested as an alternative so that real children are not harmed.

But, that's entirely beside the point that the quote suggesting the use of CP being used to condemn this professor in this thread is not from this professor.

by Anonymousreply 139November 29, 2021 11:51 AM

R139 More and more studies are showing that too much porn exposure leads to desensitization; porn addicts often seek out more and more violent and kinky or fetish porn.

I am not convinced that CP will lead to less children being harmed.

And the fact that this woman used MAP as s term is already alarming to me. That is a dog whistle.

by Anonymousreply 140November 29, 2021 12:08 PM

[quote] I am not convinced that CP will lead to less children being harmed.

I'm not convinced that was this professor's argument.

[quote] And the fact that this woman used MAP as s term is already alarming to me. That is a dog whistle.

No, this professor used the term used in the discipline. That's what academics do.

by Anonymousreply 141November 29, 2021 12:11 PM

R141, your are trying to communicate reasonably and sensibly with people who will not tolerate such things.

by Anonymousreply 142November 29, 2021 12:13 PM

R142 We won’t tolerate pedophiles, how horrid of us!

by Anonymousreply 143November 29, 2021 12:19 PM

You have a real problem with reading comprehension, r143.

by Anonymousreply 144November 29, 2021 12:23 PM

How many people itt do you think are posting in good faith? I'm not reading all the trash above but I'm gonna say 2

by Anonymousreply 145November 29, 2021 12:28 PM

People who use "they" as a pronoun are unstable by definition. This woman is no different.

by Anonymousreply 146November 29, 2021 12:29 PM

R145 I posted at R134. Some others are fighting after my post there.

by Anonymousreply 147November 29, 2021 12:31 PM

I don't think that there's a right to "get off."

Plus, if we provide pedos with the images that they "need" do we do it for everyone else too? What if the only thing that gets me off is images of Brad Pitt covered in cum? Is he morally obligated to provide me with that?

by Anonymousreply 148November 29, 2021 11:59 PM

[quote]vial accusation?

Oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 149December 4, 2021 3:23 AM

R114, from the bits I've read about this, they feel tremendously at risk for coming out of their closet and admitting their attraction to minors. So the the ones who are appalled by their attraction, have no intention of acting on it, and are desperate to find a way to change it feel like they can't even seek professional help due to the mandated reporting laws and risk of a patient privacy breach.

by Anonymousreply 150December 4, 2021 5:42 AM

If you’re trying to convince the OP that this person is not a pedo, well, give up. It is here to smear the trans and not to have a reasoned conversation.

by Anonymousreply 151December 4, 2021 5:52 AM

The thing is, we pretty much focus on the sexual predators who target children because they are sexually attracted to them, and pay very little attention to the sexual predators who assault children as targets of opportunity. Meaning, for them it isn't a matter of sexual preference, but of who they can find who's available and easy to victimize. Predators who'll sexually assault kids, the elderly, the physically or mentally disabled, drunks, or anyone else who's available when the impulse strikes. There are probably more of these monsters around than there are pedophiles.

by Anonymousreply 152December 4, 2021 5:54 AM
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