WTF did Madonna mean when she called Lady Gaga reductive?

She meant that! She wanted to say that Gaga was reductive and redundant; only Mama monster fans can't see that.

reductive though?

It doesn't make sense.

Wasn't there a theory that Madonna got her words mixed up? What one could she have meant?

Old, geriatric ladies don't always make sense.

Oh OP, what's the issue here? ElderMadge was saying that Gaga deals with issues in an over-simplified, not very intelligent way, failing to see the nuances and complexities. Implying that she, the Grand ElderMadge, sees all the complexities, understands them, and is clearly the superior being. She truly is the coelacanth of pop, dredged up when she should have been extinct.

"She truly is the coelacanth of pop" ROTFL

Maybe she meant repulsive?

Madonna didn't call Lady Gaga reductive. She called "Born This Way" reductive in relation to "Express Yourself." Meaning the former was a simplified or rudimentary version of the latter.

She said it because she felt threatened for the first time in her career.

W&W, r4.

She clearly meant “derivative”.

That whole era was so stupid. Gaga was so full of herself.

And then she was upstaged that year by Adele.

I remember her manager saying they wanted Born This Way to sell 30 million. Lol.

“ Gaga’s manager, the savvy Troy Carter, has gone on record saying his goal is to move 30 million units of Born This Way worldwide.”

There was nothing on that album that would have pushed that album to 30 million lol.

Yeah, that album was really not good at all. It was weird watching all these people on music forums try to convince others that the album was actually genius and the promotion was the problem.

"They should've released 'Marry the Night' as a single!" (and when they did, that single did shit).

"She shouldn't have been so in-your-face with the homosexuality stuff!" (this coming from gay men)

Compared to the other pop music released during the same year, Born This Way was a masterpiece by comparison, both visually and sonically.

She meant, CopyCat.

Nope, Britney had a great album in 2011 with great hits, in fact it was her last great album.

The production on the Born This Way album was terrible. It was completely airless, I actually felt claustrophobic listening to it.

“Born This Way” was a desperate attempt to be a hit album. It sounded like the album was made after studying Michael Jackson’s “Bad”, Madonna’s “Blonde Ambition Tour” and Whitney’s first 2 albums. Some of the songs were politically and religiously contrived and she made a lot of gimmicky anthems for “sad teenagers”. Not even truly to appeal to angry teenagers but to appeal to critics who would call the album a teenage anthem album.

And of course, using gays as a marketing tool.

It all backfired. Not horribly. But people were done.

I will say “Heavy Metal Lover” and “Electric Chapel” are great songs though.

R4, 👏👏👏👏👏👏

She meant that she learned the word that morning on her William F Buckley calendar.

I'm more inclined to ask: what does Madonna think she means when she uses the word 'ironic'?

Give us an example where she used the word.

r22 I hate to mention him but on Andy Cohen's show he asked her about Gaga a few years ago. I think it was some game where she gave one word answers about stars. She said reductive for Gaga.

I swear someone on here at the time said she got reductive confused with another word. I can't for the life of me think what word she meant that sounds like reductive.

She meant, "derivative," which is true of both Madonna and Lady G.

Madonna's pretensions to literacy are wafer thin, let's just put it that way.

Gaga has said she was really hurt by Madonna's attack since she admired her and even met her prior.

This reminds me of Madge's hate for Sharon Stone. She was always attacking her. Stone said in an interview that she didn't know why Madonna hated her so much. The interviewer said it was because Stone gave the kind of performance in Basic Instinct that Madonna had been trying to do and couldn't. I think the guy was right.

My favorite Sharon Stone quote about Madonna was this: “I think she *could* act, if she would take some lessons.”

I've had a long standing suspicion that Madonna is somehow behind the scenes in Lady Gaga's rise fame.

I'm not sure that comment, and others weren't done to spark controversy and conversation. You can like her, or either of them, for that matter, or not, but Madonna knows her way around the music business, and it wouldn't be the first person she helped with their stardom.

She spoke for us all. LG is the truck stop bathroom version of many stars. Almost zero charisma and is so desperate to be seen as this big important artist. Classic try hard. Nothing is organic with her. All studio bought good press. She’s had so many flops in 10 years. She’s only successful with others like Tony or RedOne or mark Ronson who owns 99% of that Oscar. She’s fug, too

It meant a lesser than copy. She meant it exactly as she said t.

To this day, I don't really hear Express Yourself when I hear Born This Way.

Even when Madonna interpolated BTW with EY for her MDNA Tour, it didn't really convince me.

I don't either, R30. I'm R27. I'd been suspicious of Madonna being some sort of a business manager to Lady Gaga for a while. Then the whole thing about Express Yourself and Born This Way just furthered my suspicion. They don't sound the same. I've always thought it was fake controversy.

Okay, now we’re devolving into kooky conspiracy theory territory.

Yes, “Born This Way” sounds like “Express Yourself”. It was immediately apparent to me the first time I heard LG’s song, before I ever even read about the similarity.

Of course the songs sound similar. That's why Doll & The Kicks and so many DJs did countless mashups.

Lady Gaga was derivative, she stood out though in comparison to her peers in the late 2000s. Gaga's later albums just exist to prove she could do other genres adequately. Madonna was inspired by others but made her own sound and each album seemed very personal to her. Madonna does have a point to a lot of what she says even if she sounds angry and bitter. I think Madonna didn't mind Britney, Beyonce and Rihanna because they do all have their own sound.

She catches words like she catches British accents. It's all meaningless and not rooted in any knowledge of what she's saying.

[quote]Lady Gaga was derivative, she stood out though in comparison to her peers in the late 2000s.

I agree. I've never really enjoyed her music, but I remember when "Just Dance" and "Poker Face" were released and they sounded quite different to what else was on the radio at the time. The synth or keyboard sample used was pretty distinctive at the time.

I also agree she has very little charisma. I could never see the "it" in her that you usually can in stars, whether you like them or not.

I too agree about her lacking charisma.

This was the start of Madonna becoming completely fucking humorless. The best thing about her was her sense of humor.

Gaga is a try hard and a charisma void but at least she comes off like a decent human being and can actually sing. You can just tell Madonna was so jealous of her.

Madonna is an idiot. Look at her spelling/grammar on her legacy-annihilating social media pages. When she famously said, “look it up,” you know she just did. Stupid sociopath.

[quote] the coelacanth of pop

As we speak someone, somewhere is working this concept into a drag persona.

She meant, “Bitch stole my act.”

Express Yourself is a standard girl power anthem that can be interpreted as a love song, a song about bettering yourself generally, or as a gay anthem with the same themes. Born This Way starts out on the same wavelength but then goes into a verse where she has to spell out exactly who it's for and how it should be interpreted. That's why it's reductive.

This thread is useless without a gif.

That tea sipping gif is a reductive rip off of Kermit the frog.

She made the word popular. She’s such a trend-setter! Or, she used to be.

r39 did she say look it up after she said reductive?