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It's Official: Kirk Douglas Raped Natalie Wood

November 4, 2021

[quote]For decades, it’s been one of Hollywood’s darkest rumors: Natalie Wood was sexually assaulted by a top movie star more than twice her age when she met with him at a hotel in Los Angeles as a teenager.

[quote]In a memoir coming out next week, Wood’s younger sister identifies the long-suspected assailant: Kirk Douglas.

[quote]“I remember that Natalie looked especially beautiful when Mom and I dropped her off that night at the Chateau Marmont entrance,” Lana Wood writes in Little Sister, alleging that the incident happened in the summer of 1955, around the time Natalie Wood was filming The Searchers.

[quote]The meeting had been arranged by their mother, Maria Zakharenko, who thought that “many doors might be thrown open for her, with just a nod of his famous, handsome head on her behalf,” according to Lana.

[quote]“It seemed like a long time passed before Natalie got back into the car and woke me up when she slammed the door shut,” she writes. “She looked awful. She was very disheveled and very upset, and she and Mom started urgently whispering to each other. I couldn’t really hear them or make out what they were saying. Something bad had apparently happened to my sister, but whatever it was, I was apparently too young to be told about it.”

[quote]According to Lana, Natalie did not discuss with her what happened until both were adults and Natalie, after describing being brought into Douglas’s suite, told her sister, “And, uh … he hurt me Lana.”

[quote]“It was like an out-of-body experience. I was terrified, I was confused,” Lana Wood remembers her saying.

[quote]Lana, now 75 and about eight when the alleged incident occurred, remembered her sister and their mother agreeing it would ruin Natalie’s career to publicly accuse him.

[quote]“Suck it up,” was their mother’s advice, according to Little Sister, much of which focuses on Natalie Wood’s death in 1981, when her body was found off Catalina Island in California.

[quote]Authorities initially ruled the death an accidental drowning, but that has changed after years of scrutiny and more witnesses emerging. Wood’s husband at the time, Robert Wagner, has been called a person of interest and Lana Wood is among those who hold him responsible for her death.

[quote]In her book, she recalls promising her sister not to discuss the assault by Douglas, but rumors were so prevalent that when he died in 2020, at age 103, Natalie Wood’s name trended along with his on Twitter. Lana Wood, whose own acting credits include The Searchers and the TV series Peyton Place, believes enough has changed since her conversation with Natalie that she can now tell the whole story.

[quote]“With no one still around to protect, I’m sure she’ll forgive me for finally breaking that promise,” she wrote.

[quote]Douglas’s son, actor Michael Douglas, said in a statement issued through his publicist: “May they both rest in peace.”

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by Anonymousreply 231October 29, 2022 9:50 AM

[quote] Michael Douglas, said in a statement issued through his publicist: “May they both rest in peace.”

Damnnnn, he’s good. The perfect response.

by Anonymousreply 1November 4, 2021 8:41 PM

At least Michael Douglas didn't try to defend his father, though 'may they both rest in peace' is pretty lame.

by Anonymousreply 2November 4, 2021 8:43 PM

This has been rumored about for many years

by Anonymousreply 3November 4, 2021 8:46 PM

[QUOTE]Michael Douglas then issued a follow-up statement through his publicist: “Come on, it wasn’t rape rape!”

by Anonymousreply 4November 4, 2021 8:49 PM

Kirk Douglas raped me.

by Anonymousreply 5November 4, 2021 8:52 PM

[bold]Why did Natalie & Robert Wagner divorce in 1962?[/bold]

[quote]In a passage from the upcoming memoir shared below, Lana reveals that she was contacted by a secretary who discovered manuscript pages from an unfinished memoir Wood began writing in 1966.

[quote]Read an excerpt from Little Sister below.

[quote]A woman I’d never heard of contacted me with a bizarre story: She’d worked for a doctor for many years, and when he retired and emptied his office, he told her to do whatever she wanted with his mountains of files, paperwork, and medical journals. “Whatever she wanted” translated to stacking it in huge piles in a storage facility and avoiding it for years, until her husband understandably begged her to sort through it and get rid of as much as she possibly could.

[quote]She was weeks into that process when she came across several handwritten pages she didn’t recognize. It was only as she read through them that she realized, to her utter amazement, that she was looking at the unfinished memoir of one of her former employer’s patients, Natalie Wood.

[quote]She contacted me to ask if I’d like a copy of it. Uh, yes, I most certainly would! Natalie’s life, in her own writing, in her own words? What an unbelievable, unexpected treasure! I invited Suzanne to join me, and the two of us drove a long way to the trailer where the woman lived. She seemed very nice and very sincere, and I remember her asking me shortly after we arrived if I happened to know a man named Gavin Lambert.

[quote]I did. Gavin Lambert wrote the book and the screenplay of Inside Daisy Clover, a movie Natalie made with Robert Redford in the 1960s. Natalie, Gavin, and Mart Crowley had become close friends, and R.J. had kind of “inherited” Gavin after Natalie’s death.

[quote]“Why do you ask?”

[quote]She explained that as soon as she realized she was in possession of Natalie Wood’s original, unfinished autobiography, she’d contacted “Mr. Wagner’s people,” assuming he’d love to have it. “Mr. Wagner” immediately sent “Mr. Lambert” to see the manuscript. “Mr. Lambert” read it right then and there; called “Mr. Wagner” from the woman’s trailer; told him, “I don’t see anything in it that should be a problem for you”; and left without it.

[quote]She was surprised that “Mr. Wagner” wouldn’t want to keep something so personal of his late wife’s — if not for himself, at least for their daughters.

[…]

[quote]It was kind. It was discreet. And it was as fiercely protective as she was.

[quote]For example, she’d started writing it in 1966. She’d moved on from R.J. after their divorce in 1962, but it was understandably still a pivotal event in her life and one she needed to write about. She could so easily have gone into detail and told the true, sensational story of walking in on an intimate encounter between R.J. and his butler. She didn’t.

[quote]Instead, she gently let Warren Beatty off the hook, after years of whispers that he was the cause of Natalie and R.J.’s divorce, and focused on the emotional impact of R.J.’s unnamed betrayal of her:

[quote]“I have suffered in silence from gossip of my walking away from my marriage to go with Warren…but Warren had nothing to do with it. We began our relationship after, not before, my marriage ended…. [bold]It is too painful for me to recall in print the incident that led to the final break-up…so shattering, it destroyed the relationship…. It was more than a final straw, it was reality crushing the fragile web of romantic fantasies with sledgehammer force.”[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 6November 4, 2021 8:55 PM

The important part for people who don't want to read the whole quote:

[quote]“I have suffered in silence from gossip of my walking away from my marriage to go with Warren…but Warren had nothing to do with it. We began our relationship after, not before, my marriage ended…. [bold]It is too painful for me to recall in print the incident that led to the final break-up…so shattering, it destroyed the relationship…. It was more than a final straw, it was reality crushing the fragile web of romantic fantasies with sledgehammer force.”[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 7November 4, 2021 8:57 PM

There’s really no other response he could have given r2. He didn’t push back against it. He’s aware of the current climate, the decades of rumours and he knew the good and the bad of his father who he loved and respected but held no illusions about.*

And they’re all dead now. I don’t know what else he could have said with sincerity.

*(Remember when Kirk bragged about fucking an reputedly anti-Semitic woman and as he was pumping away told her “this is a Jewish cock that’s fucking you”? That woman was a bigot but this isn’t the winning moment he seemed to thinned it was. Sexual violence is part of his makeup).

by Anonymousreply 8November 4, 2021 9:01 PM

I was molested.

by Anonymousreply 9November 4, 2021 9:02 PM

Glad this is finally out there.

by Anonymousreply 10November 4, 2021 9:05 PM

I believe this. Good of Michael Douglas to respond this way.

by Anonymousreply 11November 4, 2021 9:07 PM

Lana Wood is a complete psycho.

by Anonymousreply 12November 4, 2021 9:08 PM

[quote][italic]It's Official[/italic]: Kirk Douglas Raped Natalie Wood

No, it's not. Lana Wood claims her sister(who's been dead for several decades and can't speak for herself) accused Douglas of raping her.

There's a difference.

by Anonymousreply 13November 4, 2021 9:09 PM

Michael Douglas seems alright

by Anonymousreply 14November 4, 2021 9:18 PM

Where is Suzanne Finstead, author of Natalie's biography? Didn't she say she would identify the star rapist after he died?

Do we know if Kirk raped any other starlets?

I believe this, and Michael's response signals confirmation to me, but I wish it was someone other than nutty Lana officially revealing it.

by Anonymousreply 15November 4, 2021 9:19 PM

I think Finstead said multiple friends of Natalie's confirmed the rape

by Anonymousreply 16November 4, 2021 9:23 PM

And Michael Douglas didn't deny it, which speaks volumes. Even Cosby's daughter came out and defended him.

by Anonymousreply 17November 4, 2021 9:25 PM

Tell us more about Wagner and the butler. I need to hear it all. Also I'd love Kirk's Jewish cock pounding me.

by Anonymousreply 18November 4, 2021 9:26 PM

The butt-ler did it.

by Anonymousreply 19November 4, 2021 9:28 PM

Butlerface, R18.

by Anonymousreply 20November 4, 2021 9:30 PM

[quote] I'd love Kirk's Jewish cock pounding me

I seem to recall that Natalie actually had a crush on Kirk and might very well have consented if he had bothered to proposition or seduce her, but he preferred to do surprise vaginal on her unbroken hymen. It probably hurt a lot.

by Anonymousreply 21November 4, 2021 9:31 PM

Who can forget when batshit crazy Melissa Leo won and wanted to fuck him right on stage?

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by Anonymousreply 22November 4, 2021 9:38 PM

What does Walken say?

by Anonymousreply 23November 4, 2021 9:44 PM

R13 is right, there's nothing "official" about this. It's not even new -- the source of all the rumors in the first place was Lana.

by Anonymousreply 24November 4, 2021 9:45 PM

Oh come on ! Her mother probably sold her for her dame, what mother would let their young daughter go to a hotel room of an older man ????,?

by Anonymousreply 25November 4, 2021 9:51 PM

Last try getting people to read R6:

[quote][bold]“I have suffered in silence from gossip of my walking away from my marriage to go with Warren…but Warren had nothing to do with it. We began our relationship after, not before, my marriage ended…. It is too painful for me to recall in print the incident that led to the final break-up…so shattering, it destroyed the relationship…. It was more than a final straw, it was reality crushing the fragile web of romantic fantasies with sledgehammer force.”[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 26November 4, 2021 10:01 PM

Natalie walked in on Robert Wagner and the butler. Is that what you’re getting at R26?

by Anonymousreply 27November 4, 2021 10:05 PM

Yeah, son may not know for sure, but would not put it past him.

by Anonymousreply 28November 4, 2021 10:07 PM

Yes, R27. R18 mentioned it but no one else has.

What's the story? Why did she marry him again?

by Anonymousreply 29November 4, 2021 10:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 30November 4, 2021 10:09 PM

Lana has alway been B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

by Anonymousreply 31November 4, 2021 10:18 PM

No question Kirk was a dog. He raped a teenaged Natalie during the first year or headed into the second year of his marriage with Anne. No telling how many others he molested.

But damn, Mama Zakharenko is complicit. She would have given Kris Jenner a run for her money.

by Anonymousreply 32November 4, 2021 10:40 PM

Her recounting of it reminds me of the movie producer in The Godfather who was “auditioning” a young girl escorted by her mother when Tom Hagen visited.

by Anonymousreply 33November 4, 2021 10:57 PM

Me too.

by Anonymousreply 34November 4, 2021 11:17 PM

I rolled my eyes when I saw this "news." It's not that I don't care about what happened to Natalie Wood, but her alleged rape has been a topic of discussion on DL for YEARS.

Here's a thread from 2009...

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by Anonymousreply 35November 4, 2021 11:20 PM

I rolled my eyes when I read your post R35. You dug up a post from 2009 to prove how much you don’t care.

Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 36November 4, 2021 11:22 PM

r35:

1) this IS news, precisely BECAUSE we've debated it here for so many years. if you look at the old thread, you'll see that people say Lana Wood would not verify who did it and said she would hold off until he died.

Well, he died, and now she's verifying it. That's news.

2) If you think we're not allowed to discuss something because we discussed it twelve years ago, you've seriously got a bunch of screws loose. Do you really expect everyone here has been on this forum since 2009 and so somehow we're not allowed to discuss again anything that's come up in all that time?

by Anonymousreply 37November 4, 2021 11:27 PM

I don't know if I can eat dinner tonight. Finding out something this place has treated as fact for decades has shaken me to my core.

by Anonymousreply 38November 4, 2021 11:34 PM

Dear Lord in Heaven…

by Anonymousreply 39November 4, 2021 11:40 PM

Lana clearly had a deal in place with Michael and the Douglas family: wait until Kirk passed, and then until his widow Anne was gone (she died a few months ago), then make the public reveal.

There's really no other reason to wait this long to confirm this. No one expected that Kirk, and then his widow, would both live well past 100. I do wonder if some cash was tendered for the delay.

by Anonymousreply 40November 4, 2021 11:47 PM

"Suck it up,” was their mother’s advice, according to Little Sister"

That was my advice, too. I don't like messes.

by Anonymousreply 41November 4, 2021 11:59 PM

In a discussion about the book on public radio today, the subject of Michael Landon came up They said he was verbally abusive to women on the set of his TV shows, body shaming.

by Anonymousreply 42November 5, 2021 12:00 AM

R40, conveniently for Lana, Natalie will be in the news quite a bit the next few weeks: November 29 is the 40th anniversary of her death, while the day before (11/28) her film West Side Story is back in theaters for two days courtesy Fathom Events for its 60th anniversary, then the WSS remake hits screens on December 10.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 5, 2021 12:03 AM

[quote] Do we know if Kirk raped any other starlets?

He may have done even worse things.

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by Anonymousreply 44November 5, 2021 12:14 AM

Oh FORGET about Natalie Wood’s rape.

I wanna hear about WAGNER and the HOMO SEX he got up to!

by Anonymousreply 45November 5, 2021 12:44 AM

No one said "suck it up" back then, Especially not some mother to her daughter.

A little bit of literary license.

I always questioned how accurate the gossip was. I will say that I began to believe it when, as someone noted above, Douglas made that incredible revealing remark about practically hate-fucking a non-Jewish woman as some sort of revenge for all Jewish men. It was so bizarre and startling in its crudity and its seeming clueless honesty.

So, yea, probably true.

by Anonymousreply 46November 5, 2021 1:02 AM

Women were so much more emotionally tougher back then, in my opinion. Natalie did suck it up—and countless others no doubt. No safe spaces or trigger warnings for them.

by Anonymousreply 47November 5, 2021 1:42 AM

“Women were so much more emotionally tougher back then, in my opinion. ”

You are clueless. She was an alcoholic who died in her 40s. How “tough” does that make her, you twat?

by Anonymousreply 48November 5, 2021 1:47 AM

Do you hear that, women? If you get raped, just endure it and don't complain. r47 thinks that will make you tougher, you fragile little snowflakes!

by Anonymousreply 49November 5, 2021 1:56 AM

But was it rape ra...?

Well, you know.

by Anonymousreply 50November 5, 2021 1:58 AM

Hollywood royalty is a rapist.

by Anonymousreply 51November 5, 2021 1:59 AM

[quote] Women were so much more emotionally tougher back then, in my opinion. Natalie did suck it up—and countless others no doubt. No safe spaces or trigger warnings for them.

I don't think so. As pointed out, she died pretty young and got married, twice, to someone who wasn't good for her. (Even if you don't believe he killed her.)

by Anonymousreply 52November 5, 2021 2:29 AM

Wagner is someone I would consider very good looking with no sex appeal.

by Anonymousreply 53November 5, 2021 2:30 AM

Svetlana Gurdin reveals that Issur Danielovitch raped Natalia Nikolaevna Zakharenko (in the second year of his marriage with Hannelore Marx)

by Anonymousreply 54November 5, 2021 2:51 AM

Natalie was an alcoholic. Which probably led to her falling off that boat.

by Anonymousreply 55November 5, 2021 3:49 AM

[quote] As pointed out, she died pretty young and got married, twice, to someone who wasn't good for her. (Even if you don't believe he killed her.)

I do think women were tougher emotionally back then in some ways. Not saying that these things shouldn't have been dealt with but she survived and had a great career. But they didn't just fall apart when awful things happened. I just read some Angelina Jolie article where she claims she had PTSD partly because her mother died. WTF? Who gets PTSD when their mother dies peacefully surrounded by her children after a decade of cancer?

Who says she was an "alcoholic"? It was a vacation where she was drinking like many of us do on vacation. She was working. She fell off her YACHT after a night of partying. That is an accident - not the result of a life of some loser drunk. Her marriages were typical of the time and even of today.

by Anonymousreply 56November 5, 2021 3:57 AM

[quote] But they didn't just fall apart when awful things happened. I just read some Angelina Jolie article where she claims she had PTSD partly because her mother died.

R56, people just talk more about things, now. Also, due to the internet, we hear more about it. There are different ways to "fall apart." You don't really know how people handled traumas (yes, traumas) behind closed doors or out in the open.

Also, you're paying attention to someone like Angelina Jolie. There are lots of women and people in general who do still deal with shit and move on with their lives.

Some people just take things harder than others. It's not a personal failing. Getting raped? That's about the worst thing that can happen to a girl.

by Anonymousreply 57November 5, 2021 4:02 AM

We’ve discussed the finstad book several times here. Years ago someone here went to a book party/reception for finstad and she privately confirmed that it was Douglas. Also the rape was discussed in then TV movie the mystery of Natalie wood. Several of her friends that were featured in the film also confirmed that she was raped. The movie was 17 years ago so I don’t know if those friends are still living.

Also Natalie wasn’t a virgin when she was raped. She had a boyfriend who she had lost to not long before. The boyfriend told finstad that woods mother tried to scare her into not having sex by telling her that her body would be broken when the guy got on top of her.

by Anonymousreply 58November 5, 2021 4:03 AM

R56

Moron.

by Anonymousreply 59November 5, 2021 4:10 AM

[quote] Do you hear that, women? If you get raped, just endure it and don't complain

I never said that.

by Anonymousreply 60November 5, 2021 4:12 AM

Lana used to torture animals for fun as a child and she’s the one we’re supposed to believe. Sure, okay.

by Anonymousreply 61November 5, 2021 10:49 AM

Lauren Bacall and Kirk Douglas were great friends for decades. Bacall - maybe in one of her books? - mentioned that when they met and she was a young girl, Kirk Douglas had been rougher on her than he should have been. Rape? Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 62November 5, 2021 11:11 AM

[quote] Wagner is someone I would consider very good looking with no sex appeal.

And no real talent as an actor. Any of his roles are unmemorable; and clearly could have been played by others.

by Anonymousreply 63November 5, 2021 1:34 PM

RJ Wagner had a flat pancake ass and had to wear a prosthetic butt to fill out his costumes......how could anyone want to fuck that?

And if he was a top? .......well I guess you don't need a sledgehammer to drive a thumbtack.

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by Anonymousreply 64November 5, 2021 2:06 PM

That’s why he ended up with fellow bottom feeder Jill St. John. More survivor than talent. Stefanie Powers too. They made mostly crappy projects and they didn’t have much acting ability. But they hustled and did what they had to do. Even Powers said in an interview that she knew that most of her projects were bad B movies and made for television crap. This was after HART TO HART became a hit.

by Anonymousreply 65November 5, 2021 2:11 PM

[quote]Her mother probably sold her for her dame

Tragically not understanding that there is no royal honors system in the U.S., and that even a big movie star like Kirk wouldn't be allowed to bestow the title on her even if there were.

by Anonymousreply 66November 5, 2021 2:12 PM

[quote] RJ Wagner had a flat pancake ass and had to wear a prosthetic butt to fill out his costumes.

So did Frank Sinatra in On the Town to fill out his sailor pants.

by Anonymousreply 67November 5, 2021 4:30 PM

^^^^ Gene Kelly sure didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 68November 5, 2021 4:32 PM

Gene Kelly's ass was a national treasure.

by Anonymousreply 69November 5, 2021 4:38 PM

rj.........

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by Anonymousreply 70November 5, 2021 4:54 PM

Natalie Wood was positively ancient when she died

by Anonymousreply 71November 5, 2021 5:00 PM

[quote] Wagner is someone I would consider very good looking with no sex appeal.

Ken doll-ish, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 72November 5, 2021 7:51 PM

R70 Jeffrey Hunter looks ravishing in that shot. I though RJ was Roddy McDowall at first.

by Anonymousreply 73November 6, 2021 1:38 AM

Lana Wood has one of the most awesome racks a woman has ever been blessed with. I believe every word she says.

by Anonymousreply 74November 6, 2021 12:05 PM

Who was RJ’s butler?

by Anonymousreply 75November 6, 2021 12:11 PM

Who killed her though?

by Anonymousreply 76November 6, 2021 12:14 PM

[quote]*(Remember when Kirk bragged about fucking an reputedly anti-Semitic woman and as he was pumping away told her “this is a Jewish cock that’s fucking you”? That woman was a bigot but this isn’t the winning moment he seemed to thinned it was. Sexual violence is part of his makeup).

I just found the quote from his book, one summer he used a fake name to work as a bellhop at a restricted hotel on Lake George. The woman's anti-Antisemitism was disgusting but it was no justification for his actions.

[quote]As the end of the season approached, the lady proprietor grew more interested in me. I had tried to maintain my distance. The night before the hotel closed, my lady boss was more attentive than ever. She suggested that we have a farewell drink in her room. I was certainly aware of the season finale she was planning as I climbed the stairs to her room. She talked about my coming back the next summer. I thought of all the things she had said this summer: "Hitler is right, the Jews should all be destroyed," "No Jew will ever set foot in this hotel." After a few drinks, we were in bed together. Strange how hate can be such an aphrodisiac. My hate grew into a tremendous erection and I thrust it inside of her. She was wet and ready, extremely passionate, moaned and groaned. I made certain that over all of these sounds she could hear me very clearly when I said into her ear, "THAT IS A CIRCUMCISED JEWISH COCK INSIDE YOU. DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET CONTAMINATED? MAYBE EVEN DIE? I AM A JEW. YOU ARE BEING FUCKED BY A JEW!" I exploded inside her. She said nothing, just breathed heavily and lay there as I left the room

This was the summer after he graduated from high school so he was an asshole for a very long time.

by Anonymousreply 77November 6, 2021 2:34 PM

Totally gross story. At the same time, it’s real. But….it does make it more believable that he’s an actual rapist.

by Anonymousreply 78November 6, 2021 2:45 PM

R75, Benson, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 79November 6, 2021 2:59 PM

Wagner and Powers had great chemistry together. They may not have done much on their own, but they were compelling as a team.

And you can tell unlike Pierce/Stephanie and Bruce and Cybill that they were genuinely fond of each other. ( I don't know about Kate and Bruce.)

What was odd at the time was how Bill Holden passed about two weeks before Natalie drowned.

by Anonymousreply 80November 6, 2021 4:00 PM

Wagner marrying Jill St. John who looked like Stephanie Powers twin was a little weird.

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by Anonymousreply 81November 6, 2021 4:02 PM

R81, Jill moved right in on Wagner after Natalie died.

by Anonymousreply 82November 6, 2021 4:05 PM

R81, they both have the same nose job…that’s why they look alike.

by Anonymousreply 83November 6, 2021 4:57 PM

I wonder if kirk’s role in “town without pity” was his way ti address his dark side.

by Anonymousreply 84November 6, 2021 11:21 PM

[quote]R14: Michael Douglas seems alright

But you don't, cunt. There's nothing "all right" about that family.

And you're illiterate.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 85November 6, 2021 11:36 PM

Alright is a word.

And r85 should get ass raped by a gang of sweaty convicts.

by Anonymousreply 86November 6, 2021 11:41 PM

R86, nice try.

And invoking male rape is such a fine thing for an illiterate to do on a gay site, cunt.

All right, cunt?

All right, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 87November 6, 2021 11:54 PM

r87 should be raped at both ends by a gang of sweaty convicts.

by Anonymousreply 88November 7, 2021 12:07 AM

Alright really is a word, numbnuts.

Of course your nuts wouldn't be numb after that convict rape, they'd be pretty sore.

by Anonymousreply 89November 7, 2021 12:08 AM

Did Natalie go to sleep that night with his spooge running down her leg ?

by Anonymousreply 90November 7, 2021 12:09 AM

Did Kirk rape Natalie before or after she was casted in Rebel Without A Cause?

by Anonymousreply 91November 7, 2021 12:10 AM

One of the weirdest award show moments in recent years was at the Everyone Wears Black Golden Globes when Kirk Douglas rolled in to present and all the people like Jessica Chastain who had been piously dissing Woody Allen and Casey Affleck on social media stood to give him a standing ovation.

by Anonymousreply 92November 7, 2021 8:30 AM

Did the rape help her career as mom hoped?

by Anonymousreply 93November 7, 2021 11:16 AM

[quote] "THAT IS A CIRCUMCISED JEWISH COCK INSIDE YOU. DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET CONTAMINATED? MAYBE EVEN DIE? I AM A JEW. YOU ARE BEING FUCKED BY A JEW!" I exploded inside her. She said nothing, just breathed heavily and lay there as I left the room

This sounds extremely fake and revisionist. It probably never happened and he was probably busing tables off to the side listening to her fantasizing what he'd say if he got the chance. Exploded inside of her? Who actually writes that super camp line with a straight face? what's his dick? a firecracker? He left her breathing heavily?

And I'm 100% sure the mother knew exactly what was going to go down when she arranged the meeting IN A HOTEL ROOM between Kirk and her daughter. She probably sold the meeting on how beautiful she was and he could do whatever. Natalie probably had no idea what was about to hit her, but the mom sent up there to take one for the team. That's why the mother wasn't so distraught over it AND Natalie did get a career out of it. So there's that. People have traded sex for position for years. It's just usually better when both know what's going on.

I mean if I was slaving away, working trying to make it into the industry audition after audition with no success and someone said all you have to do is fuck me to get the role, you bet I'd fuck them. Easy peasy. And that's not a bad thing. It's super efficient. Just like Debette Goldry.

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by Anonymousreply 94November 7, 2021 11:56 AM

Fine r94, except that 40-year-old Kirk didn't merely "fuck" a 15-year-old Natalie that night, he brutally attacked her. She was allegedly disheveled and hysterical afterwards, with her stockings torn off with blood running down her legs (details from previous accounts of the situation, not sure that Lana put this in her current book).

Not exactly your typical casting couch set up is it.

by Anonymousreply 95November 7, 2021 2:23 PM

[quote] People have traded sex for position for years. It's just usually better when both know what's going on.

Yes, it’s “usually” a good thing when a 17 year old girl knows she’s about to be raped.

by Anonymousreply 96November 7, 2021 2:32 PM

Also, the “audition” didn’t pan out: Natalie never made a movie with Kirk - she was reportedly offered the female lead in The Devil’s Disciple (1959) opposite Kirk and flew into a rage.

I imagine that when they met in social interactions, she was civil, but seething underneath.

by Anonymousreply 97November 7, 2021 2:39 PM

R96 You're being purposefully obtuse. If people WILLINGLY have sex for career advancement, it's not rape, as much as the MeToo squad has tried to convince you it is.

I agree with a poster above that Natalie, who had a crush on Kirk, would probably have consented (as much as one can at 15, but the 1950s were a different ball game) if he hadn't brutally attacked her. I do believe Kirk killed that Jean Spangler woman too.

by Anonymousreply 98November 7, 2021 2:44 PM

Why was Kirk so hard on women, was his mum mean to him?

by Anonymousreply 99November 7, 2021 3:03 PM

Did he also make her pregnant?

by Anonymousreply 100November 7, 2021 3:10 PM

[quote][Douglas] has been widely credited with helping to break the cold war blacklist against suspected communists when he hired Dalton Trumbo to write Spartacus and listed him by name for the 1960 release.

Sure, only after Douglas told this story hundreds of times until it became part of his legacy. The man was no hero.

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by Anonymousreply 101November 7, 2021 3:19 PM

[quote]AND Natalie did get a career out of it

She didn't do the movie with the actor-producer in question, proving that even if it had been a consensual quid pro quo situation like you claim, she didn't NEED the movie to have a career. She had a career before the attack, and she had a career afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 102November 7, 2021 3:25 PM

Not only was Natalie so beautiful, she was also such a good person. A fun and warm person

by Anonymousreply 103November 7, 2021 3:29 PM

[quote]It's not that I don't care about what happened to Natalie Wood, but her alleged rape has been a topic of discussion on DL for YEARS.

We were talking about it on alt.showbiz.gossip and alt.gossip.celebrity back in 2001. I can't find the original thread sadly but there are a few from the early 2000s where people basically say "yeah, we decided it was either Kirk Douglas or Burt Lancaster back when the book first came out."

For a while people thought it was Nicholas Ray but we later found out she had a consensual affair with him, if I recall.

I remember some idiot insisted it was Raymond Burr!

by Anonymousreply 104November 7, 2021 3:32 PM

Anyone else hear that Natalie was occasionally bisexual?

by Anonymousreply 105November 7, 2021 3:34 PM

R101, thanks for sharing that. No wonder Kirk played slimeballs so well in movies like Champion and The Bad and the Beautiful - he was just as slimy, if not worse, in real life.

by Anonymousreply 106November 7, 2021 3:39 PM

Wasn’t Kirk at one of Roddy mc Dowell’s Malibu beach parties ? Natalie was usually there

by Anonymousreply 107November 7, 2021 3:40 PM

so I see she was brutally attacked by a man being 15 years old and not so much later she fucker her way to big move sleeping with very old producer and later being hollywood whore all the time?

by Anonymousreply 108November 7, 2021 3:41 PM

Natalie was 16 years old when she had an affair with her 43-year-old Nicholas Ray. She was also hanging out with Hollywood bad boys Nick Adams, Dennis Hopper, and Perry Lopez. She was wild and promiscuous, surely a result of being used and abused by Hollywood powerplayers and a willing accomplice, her demanding mother, who was determined to make Natalie a superstar and family breadwinner.

by Anonymousreply 109November 7, 2021 3:43 PM

R108, most whores become that way precisely because they were sexually abused at a young age.

by Anonymousreply 110November 7, 2021 3:44 PM

[quote]with her 43-year-old [bold]director[/bold]Nicholas Ray

Correcting myself.

by Anonymousreply 111November 7, 2021 3:45 PM

I guess he didn't have time to munch her juicy young pussy before poking her.

by Anonymousreply 112November 7, 2021 3:48 PM

Natalie was put on suspension in 1959 for refusing to do The Devil's Disciple, on which both Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster worked. It's long been assumed that this was the movie she wouldn't do because of the rape that had happened a few years prior to this film.

Right around the time she was raped, her career went into a slump. She did mostly TV until Rebel Without a Cause revived her career. By that time she was 17 years old and consenting, I'm not sure why people are trying to say that her sleeping with Ray when she was 17 means she deserved to be raped when she was 15.

by Anonymousreply 113November 7, 2021 3:54 PM

R113 I didnt say she deserved, moron

by Anonymousreply 114November 7, 2021 3:56 PM

Don't talk to me until you learn English, r114/r110.

by Anonymousreply 115November 7, 2021 4:01 PM

Sorry to r110, I meant to tell R114/R108 to stop talking to me until he learns how to write English. Not that "she fucker her way to big move sleeping with very old producer" wasn't super hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 116November 7, 2021 4:02 PM

R115 she fucked her way. I mispelled. Take a deep breath ok? You read my post , with such shit english, answered to it, but still I am no good enough to answer , moron? So do not respond to information I posted

by Anonymousreply 117November 7, 2021 4:08 PM

Natalie was radiant. She was a good friend too

by Anonymousreply 118November 7, 2021 4:10 PM

I was dismayed when I read how Natalie's mother got 15 or 16 year old Natalie all dolled up and drove her to Frank Sinatra's house for an intimate evening with the man himself. Sinatra treated her like a princess and was "gentle" with her as he penetrated her. She came back several more times and Frank was always a "gentleman" with her! Or so claimed his personal valet, who revealed these details in his book. Frank was so enamoured with Natalie that he promised that he would always be there for her and assist in her career.

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by Anonymousreply 119November 7, 2021 4:23 PM

Natalie was enthralling and charismatic

by Anonymousreply 120November 7, 2021 4:37 PM

Does anyone for sure if Kurt Douglas was clipped or not? His being Jewish, one would assume so. In 1955, he could have ridden me all the way to North Dakota. Can you imagine those tanned muscular thighs slightly sweaty from the summer heat pounding away on a girl? Obviously, I can.

by Anonymousreply 121November 7, 2021 5:02 PM

R95 here. I am by no means condoning what happened to Natalie Woods. Nor was I saying it was consensual. I was saying in the movie industry it happened an awful lot and still does. It was practically a given that sexual favors were exchanged for roles. Didn't Nancy Reagan basically have a career based on her head game? I do not think Natalie KNEW what she was in for. But I do believe the mother did and didn't care. Maybe she didn't know to what degree things were going to go down, but you don't dress your daughter up and send her off to a business meeting in a hotel room with an older man without knowing exactly what you are doing.

So yes rape is terrible. But these situations I always equate to a Yankees fan at a Boston Red Sox home game, cheering in the stands every time the Yankees cross home plate. Yes it's terrible that he got his head bashed in. No human being deserves that. But it's not a surprise that it did happen. The person set themselves up for it. Natalie Wood's mom sending her into that hotel set her daughter up for something disastrous to happen to her.

by Anonymousreply 122November 7, 2021 5:34 PM

So Frank Sinatra was pounding away on young teenage meat and Mia Farrow is yelling at Woody Allen? She's really just mad her ungrateful daughter she rescued from the mud gutters of some Godforsaken country stole her man. Underage sex was the jam back in those days.

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by Anonymousreply 123November 7, 2021 5:52 PM

r119 I read the Sinatra valet book and I believe Natalie and Sinatra's relationship began when she was in her late teens, after he was fully separated from Ava Gardner and in the midst of his post-Oscar comeback. She would have been 17 or 18 or so.

by Anonymousreply 124November 7, 2021 5:52 PM

How come Natalie was thought of as the poor man's Liz Taylor?

by Anonymousreply 125November 7, 2021 6:49 PM

I wasn't around back then, but my mom told me that people thought Frank Sinatra was really pervy to get with Mia Farrow. Even at the time, people were grossed out by it. She was younger than his daughters.

by Anonymousreply 126November 7, 2021 6:50 PM

R124, this article says Natalie was 15 or 16.

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by Anonymousreply 127November 7, 2021 7:03 PM

R74 I loved her in “Areola Spring.”

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by Anonymousreply 128November 7, 2021 7:14 PM

[quote]“You get tough in this business, until you get big enough to hire people to get tough for you. Then you can sit back and be a lady.” ~ Natalie Wood

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by Anonymousreply 129November 7, 2021 11:59 PM

She’s already written a book.

by Anonymousreply 130November 8, 2021 12:01 AM

I wonder if Natasha or Courtney will comment? Natasha hates Lana but Courtney seemed a bit on the fence about her in that documentary Natasha produced.

Courtney did an interview about 10 years ago and seemed very fragile. She talked about watching fashion police on E and joan rivers made a joke about being at a Natalie wood pool party that crushed her.

by Anonymousreply 131November 8, 2021 12:31 AM

Men were so much more emotionally tougher back then, in my opinion. They have sex without consent, you call it rape. They called it getting some action...she was bad, it was her fault.

by Anonymousreply 132November 8, 2021 12:51 AM

Kirk sounds like a misogynist at the very least.

by Anonymousreply 133November 8, 2021 1:14 AM

That SPARTACUS article is illuminating, to say the least. Kirk obviously had an extremely high opinion of himself, didn’t he.

by Anonymousreply 134November 8, 2021 1:27 AM

I can't quite remember all the details, but when Kirk Douglas was in Oregon filming "The Way West," he got quite handsy with one of my mom's friends, or a friend of a friend of my mom. The way she related it, it sounded like he was going to sexually assault her.

We were visiting Bend quite a few years ago and she just related the story, so I think it has merit, especially after reading and learning more about Douglas.

by Anonymousreply 135November 8, 2021 5:04 AM

Michael Douglas has probably done the same to someone at some point!

Disgusting father that he had.

Poor Natalie Wood, I remember watching her still as a child actress in that 1946 Christmas movie.

by Anonymousreply 136November 8, 2021 5:07 AM

Nicholas Ray came home early from the set one day and found his second wife, Gloria Grahame, naked in bed with his teenage son from his first marriage. Ray divorced Grahame immediately but years later, after each had been married and divorced from other people, Ray's son and Grahame married but eventually divorced.

by Anonymousreply 137November 8, 2021 5:47 AM

I thought Natalie was way more beautiful in the 1970s than she was as teen or in her 20s.

by Anonymousreply 138November 8, 2021 6:59 AM

SteFanie Powers had a small get-together at her home after William Holden died to honor his memory. In attendance were Wagner and Natalie. She would be dead days later. Hollywood kills

by Anonymousreply 139November 8, 2021 10:47 AM

[quote] I am by no means condoning what happened to Natalie Woods.

Oh dear!

by Anonymousreply 140November 8, 2021 11:08 AM

R138, you may be responding to Natalie's nose thinning rhinoplasty -

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by Anonymousreply 141November 8, 2021 11:28 AM

R141, Natalie never had work done, there was no need.

by Anonymousreply 142November 8, 2021 11:43 AM

R142, have you seen an optometrist lately?

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by Anonymousreply 143November 8, 2021 11:56 AM

Did Kazan demand 'favors' from Natalie for 'Splendor'?

by Anonymousreply 144November 8, 2021 12:20 PM

He could have asked her for a better performance.

by Anonymousreply 145November 8, 2021 11:20 PM

D139, is Stephanie Powers gay or bi?

by Anonymousreply 146November 8, 2021 11:26 PM

You might call SteFANIE BISEXUAL, R146!

by Anonymousreply 147November 8, 2021 11:41 PM

She gave that vibe r147

by Anonymousreply 148November 8, 2021 11:42 PM

R122, she was 15. You sound like a horrible person

by Anonymousreply 149November 8, 2021 11:45 PM

[quote]I am by no means condoning what happened to Natalie Woods

Is there an OH DEAR big enough?

by Anonymousreply 150November 8, 2021 11:52 PM

15 was 18 in 1954.

ask my mom.

by Anonymousreply 151November 9, 2021 12:46 AM

The Douglases are all nasty. Drug addicted disease carrying rapists.

by Anonymousreply 152November 9, 2021 1:11 AM

Did anyone read Lana's first book? She got married 5 times before she was 35 and had numerous affairs including one with DL fave, Ryan O'Neal. Highly recommend it!

by Anonymousreply 153November 9, 2021 1:14 AM

In the movie Out of the Past, Kirk's character slaps Jane Greer's. I've always suspected that he really hit her. It's a vicious smack that always makes me wince.

by Anonymousreply 154November 9, 2021 1:18 AM

R153, Lana also had flings with Sean Connery, Alain Delon and at least a one night stand with Warren Beatty.

by Anonymousreply 155November 9, 2021 1:45 AM

Sounds like Lana's pussy got more traffic than the Lincoln Tunnel. What a whore!

by Anonymousreply 156November 9, 2021 1:48 AM

One of Lana's husbands was part of Judy Garland's entourage circa 1964 and Lana wrote in her first book of being assigned to "babysit" Judy.

by Anonymousreply 157November 9, 2021 2:36 AM

was katherine zeta jones raped by a douglas? if not why?

by Anonymousreply 158November 9, 2021 2:42 AM

It's difficult to rape someone from a wheelchair, r158.

by Anonymousreply 159November 9, 2021 12:28 PM

R50 Has any guest on The View ever thrown that remark in Whoopi's face while on the show? Not that they would air it, but it would be great to watch the Whoopster squirm and explain herself.

by Anonymousreply 160November 9, 2021 1:26 PM

r149 obviously you didn't read my post.

r150, if there were, I am sure it would fit in the vacuous space between your ears.

by Anonymousreply 161November 9, 2021 1:41 PM

R160, Donald Trump, Jr. did.

by Anonymousreply 162November 9, 2021 2:21 PM

Who knows what ladies Stefanie Powers rubbed tacos with?

by Anonymousreply 163November 9, 2021 3:41 PM

R163 Shirley Hemphill, Lulu Roman, Pat Ast, Totie Fields, Nell Carter, and Judith Lowry.

by Anonymousreply 164November 9, 2021 3:45 PM

😂 r164, you’re funny.

by Anonymousreply 165November 9, 2021 3:48 PM

Nell Carter liked to snort coke off of Stefanie's pussy.

by Anonymousreply 166November 9, 2021 9:05 PM

I don't think Stef is even bi, is she? Man eater.

by Anonymousreply 167November 10, 2021 12:23 AM

Nat died 40 years ago this month.

by Anonymousreply 168November 10, 2021 12:59 AM

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by Anonymousreply 169November 10, 2021 1:10 AM

One gets the sense Lana is correct about RJ. His story about what happened that night ain't right.

by Anonymousreply 170November 10, 2021 1:13 AM

RJ has killed his lady love before.

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by Anonymousreply 171November 10, 2021 1:21 AM

Was there any man around Natalie who wasn't a sleaze?

by Anonymousreply 172November 10, 2021 3:11 AM

Can't Christopher Walken clear all this up? There are vague references to him "cooperating" with investigators but what exactly is his story? Everybody needs to be put under oath.

Ol' Lana looks good in that CBS clip. A little zaftig but still pretty around the eyes.

by Anonymousreply 173November 10, 2021 4:42 AM

R167, there have been rumors for decades, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 174November 10, 2021 1:31 PM

Lana Turner was such a sweetheart R156, she just happened to be an aquarian...

by Anonymousreply 175November 11, 2021 5:27 AM

R172 - Santa Claus

by Anonymousreply 176November 11, 2021 3:53 PM

40 years ago this weekend Natalie Wood drowned.

by Anonymousreply 177November 28, 2021 2:07 AM

Seems like yesterday . . .

by Anonymousreply 178November 28, 2021 2:10 AM

She was such a beauty

by Anonymousreply 179November 28, 2021 2:12 AM

Natalie Wood is my grandmother. We always knew this. Michael Douglas is an old man who had no connection to Natalie. He's the rare Hollywood star who has actually changed and grown over time and families and rehab and illness and wives. He takes responsibility for his past and has deserted no one. He was a rageful, womanizing egomaniac and absent father, but never a Diva. Dude is liked the women in his career and life. He's tried to do better as a father and a man. He did and said the exact right thing. When will Robert Wagner?

by Anonymousreply 180November 28, 2021 3:34 AM

*Dude is liked by the women in his career and life. Even Diandra. He paid her well for what he put her through - even though she's not exactly a great person herself.

by Anonymousreply 181November 28, 2021 3:36 AM

R180, If Natalie Wood is your grandmother, who are your parents?

by Anonymousreply 182November 28, 2021 5:35 AM

Natalie wood’s granddaughter (Natasha Gregson Wagner’s daughter) is 9 years old. Courtney Wagner doesn’t have kids.

by Anonymousreply 183November 28, 2021 5:39 AM

Natalie Wood is my grandmother. I am not a girl. I am older than 9.

by Anonymousreply 184November 28, 2021 5:43 AM

Poor Courtney. Her mom’s death really messed her up

by Anonymousreply 185November 28, 2021 5:43 AM

Natalie Wood has one grandchild R184 a girl named clover.

Is Bob Hope your father?

by Anonymousreply 186November 28, 2021 5:52 AM

Clover is my little cousin. Neither of us ever knew our grandmother.

by Anonymousreply 187November 28, 2021 5:59 AM

She only had Gregson demolished types we only knew they their wringer?

by Anonymousreply 188November 28, 2021 6:03 AM

Who is your mother R187?

by Anonymousreply 189November 28, 2021 6:05 AM

R184, You are also delusional.

by Anonymousreply 190November 28, 2021 8:52 AM

[quote]Natalie Wood is my grandmother.

^^^ This guy is the "ancient white fags" troll, just FYI. He's not telling the truth.

by Anonymousreply 191November 28, 2021 9:52 AM

Natasha Gregson Wagner did a few movies like 97-01 then fucking disappeared I feel like.

by Anonymousreply 192November 28, 2021 11:19 AM

Why is R191 calling people ancient white f*gs? F&F that nutcase.

by Anonymousreply 193November 28, 2021 3:07 PM

Who is your mama?

by Anonymousreply 194November 28, 2021 3:19 PM

[quote]Natalie Wood has one grandchild...a girl named clover.

CLOVER???

by Anonymousreply 195November 28, 2021 3:51 PM

R12 What kind of comment is this?

by Anonymousreply 196November 28, 2021 3:53 PM

Everyone on the planet and history has been raped by Kirk Douglas, OP. He even raped me last night and I loved it.

by Anonymousreply 197November 28, 2021 3:53 PM

Why did she remarry Wagner?

by Anonymousreply 198November 28, 2021 4:27 PM

Natalie Wood had a pretty tragic life, though she was a beautiful and lovely woman. More beautiful at 35 than she was at 20. She was unlucky in love and never taken too seriously. RJ Wagner seems like such a fraud to me. In more ways than one.

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by Anonymousreply 199November 28, 2021 4:34 PM

David Ehrenstein once wrote here that Natalie was in the biggest sluts group of actresses. Did Kirk Douglas cause this?

by Anonymousreply 200November 28, 2021 5:12 PM

Rita Moreno said in the new doc on her that her agent raped her…and she stayed with him. It was a wildly different time—powerful men could get away with murder, literally.

by Anonymousreply 201November 28, 2021 5:43 PM

Chateau Mormont was known for actors & directors. having suites where they “auditioned” young women for nonexistent roles in no existence movies. Same with Beverly Wiltshire, where Steve McQueen did the same thing.

If you were a Hollywood stage mama, you knew why you were driving your daughter there.

by Anonymousreply 202November 28, 2021 5:47 PM

The son of a married woman my father had been involved with accused him of raping her. This was about 2 years after my dad had died. The story didn’t line up, but it planted seeds of doubt that left me with questions, anger, shame and sadness. At the time I told the guy, who it turns out is my half brother, that by waiting until our father died we’d never know the full story. Ended it by saying that there was no doubt his mother had been hurt by our father in unforgivable ways and that she shouldn’t have to have gone through it. I know my dad was horribly selfish, but a rapist? I’ll never know I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 203November 28, 2021 5:48 PM

R105 yes! I have an older lesbian friend who had sex with Natalie in Palm Springs. Was confirmed by a few of her friends who were part of the LA/Palm Springs crowd.

All said Natalie was all-around awesome and open to new adventures. The sex romp in Palm Springs was just that—drinking, flirting and a bit of fun

by Anonymousreply 204November 28, 2021 5:59 PM

My grandmother did not golf or have sexy romps with Palm Spring lesbians!!

She did attend a few key parties and liked couples sex. With men and a beautiful woman Not a golfer.

by Anonymousreply 205November 28, 2021 6:12 PM

You're tiring, R205.

by Anonymousreply 206November 28, 2021 6:18 PM

At least I'm not a liar, like R204.

by Anonymousreply 207November 28, 2021 6:27 PM

R205/R207 = many many issues that the DL will not solve

by Anonymousreply 208November 28, 2021 6:58 PM

R204 Nice. Then she killed her after fucking her like RW? LOL.

by Anonymousreply 209November 28, 2021 7:57 PM

I'm re-reading Lana's FIRST Natalie memoir, from the 80s. Lana admits to being a bit of a wild gal herself, but portrays Natalie as fairly straitlaced. Natalie was apparently not to be fucked with, if you crossed a line with her she'd ice you out. Lana sounds sweet but exasperating.

by Anonymousreply 210November 28, 2021 8:45 PM

Lana never mentions or cites her marriage to "Peyton Place" co-star Stephen Oliver.

She tends to gloss over that one.

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by Anonymousreply 211November 29, 2021 1:47 AM

[quote]Natalie was apparently not to be fucked with, if you crossed a line with her she'd ice you out.

Yes, if you were Lana.

by Anonymousreply 212November 29, 2021 12:37 PM

Somewhere, I have a photo book biography of Natalie that has this picture in it of Natalie and her team; she allegedly kept a copy in her office and would put an X over the men she got rid of until all of them were gone. She reportedly also kept a similar list in her dressing room where she X'd people she didn't like but still had to work with; during the filming of West Side Story, Russ Tamblyn stumbled upon it while visiting Natalie and, years later when they were appearing together in Twin Peaks, told Richard Beymer that he was on the hate list -- he claimed he didn't know why.

The woman held grudges.

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by Anonymousreply 213November 29, 2021 1:53 PM

She seemed deeply Russian.

by Anonymousreply 214November 29, 2021 3:14 PM

Kirk raped my whole family last night and they loved it.

by Anonymousreply 215November 29, 2021 3:26 PM

Cary Grant and George Harrison died on this same date.

by Anonymousreply 216November 29, 2021 3:47 PM

How did RJ Wagner manage to murder 3 people in one day, R216? I think stimulants were involved.

by Anonymousreply 217November 29, 2021 3:54 PM

R213, that's interesting. I had no idea Natalie Wood was in Twin Peaks.

by Anonymousreply 218November 29, 2021 3:54 PM

r218, learn to forgive.

by Anonymousreply 219November 29, 2021 3:56 PM

To R217... It worked for OJ, didn't it?

by Anonymousreply 220November 29, 2021 5:48 PM

R220 …

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by Anonymousreply 221November 30, 2021 2:19 AM

Kirk Douglas raped me last night.

by Anonymousreply 222January 1, 2022 1:34 AM

Well yeah just look at her. I would have too!

by Anonymousreply 223January 1, 2022 1:36 AM

[quote] At least Michael Douglas didn't try to defend his father, though 'may they both rest in peace' is pretty lame.

Pretty lame? It is a a sensitive and sensible statement. I struggle to think what else Michael Douglas could say that didn’t diminish Natalie’s allegations by saying nor be honest as a son who loved his father.

by Anonymousreply 224January 8, 2022 3:08 AM

R119 which book is the Frank Sinatra story in?

by Anonymousreply 225October 28, 2022 7:02 PM

[quote]2) If you think we're not allowed to discuss something because we discussed it twelve years ago, you've seriously got a bunch of screws loose.

I want to second this especially. Complaining we discussed something a week ago is one thing, but complaining that we discussed it thirteen years ago (!!!) is ridiculously narcissistic. How many other people now on DL were even [italic]here[/italic] thirteen years ago?

by Anonymousreply 226October 28, 2022 8:20 PM

And we should take her word for it?

by Anonymousreply 227October 28, 2022 8:35 PM

LMAO, R38!

You is shooketh!

by Anonymousreply 228October 28, 2022 9:40 PM

What's frustrating about waiting until the abuser dies to speak out is you will never know how they would have responded or if they would have been held accountable for their actions. I understand for legal reasons Lana probably couldn't just come out say "kirk Douglas raped my sister!" without getting sued. But on the other hand Douglas got to live a very full life doing whatever he wanted whenever he wanted while Natalie continued to be abused by men right up till the end of her life and of course we know how she died and it just doesn't seem fair. Neither Douglas or RJ will ever have to answer for what they did to Natalie wood

by Anonymousreply 229October 29, 2022 7:49 AM

Who asks the elderly son of a dead rapist about the sins of his father? Why should he have to say anything? Why approach him over this subject at all?

Reporters really are shitty creatures.

by Anonymousreply 230October 29, 2022 8:02 AM

Do we have any stories about why Natalie remarried RJ after divorcing him when she caught him diddling the butler?

by Anonymousreply 231October 29, 2022 9:50 AM
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