Oklahoma executes inmate who dies vomiting and convulsing

I read the story and what happened to him gad nothing to do with the death penalty, but drug reaction. We use midazolam as part of conscious sedation for medical procedures, it’s a commonly used medication. So this murderer simply had an allergic reaction to midazolam, like if he had undergone a medical procedure and not as part of lethal injection process.

I’m sure his murdered victim died more horrifically.

[quote]So this murderer simply had an allergic reaction to midazolam, like if he had undergone a medical procedure

why not drown them at birth?

it's still cruel and unusual and should be outlawed

There is nothing humane about the state executing citizens, r1. Capital punishment itself is morally repugnant.

The rest of the civilized world got the message.

Before the resident DL old, white trash racists start chiming in about "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime," I'll ask you this:

If all those rich, white guys who stormed the Capital seeking to overthrown the US government and murder elected officials can't do the time, why did they do the crime? That also applies to their leader, Captain Courageous Donald Trump

That's America. Well of course his crimes were awful. But so is the death penalty. Lots of Americans are bloodthirsty and love state sanctioned murder. It's real biblical. Go ahead and hate on me.

R5. I agree with you—and I’m American

What did he do?

I don't understand why we don't just do a firing squad anymore. What's with the overly complicated chemical thing?

Why make it more complicated and hazardous?

To create the illusion that a fundamentally inhumane act is indeed humane, r8

I am against capital punishment to protect innocent people. I don't give a fuck about the suffering of people who have caused much havoc and suffering during their short time on earth.

Some states are going back to firing squads. It makes sense: why overcomplicate things? Firing squad is cheap and efficient.

Giving the government the right to execute its citizens is never okay. Just lock people the fuck away.

R3 my point isn’t about whether the death penalty is or isn’t humane. One can argue about the inhumanity/ humanity of state-sanctioned capital punishment on a philosophical basis, as opposed to what the OP’s post inferred. Inference being that the specific medication given as part of the cocktail of lethal meds is somehow inhumane. All I said was that it was not.

On intellectual and philosophical levels I think state-sanctioned capital punishment is wrong. However, there are instances where my emotional side disagrees. It’s one of those issues that really test our own humanity, so to speak.

Did he kill someone? Check.

End of story. Next.

It must be wonderful to occupy a world with all the nuance of a Spenserian allegory, r14

[quote] Grant, 60, was convicted of killing prison worker Gay Carter in November 1998 while serving sentences for four armed robberies.

[quote] According to court documents, Grant dragged Carter into a mop closet and stabbed her numerous times in the chest with a homemade knife after she removed him from a job in the kitchen of Dick Conner Correctional Center in Hominy.

[quote]The rest of the civilized world got the message.

Exactly. We are not in good company.

[bold]2019 executions:[/bold]

China - 1000s

Iran - 251+

Saudi Arabia - 184

Iraq - 100+

Egypt - 32+

USA - 22

Pakistan - 14+

Somalia - 12+

South Sudan - 11+

Yemen - 7

*****

[bold]2020 executions:[/bold]

China - 1000s

Iran - 246+

Egypt - 107+

Iraq - 45+

Saudi Arabia - 27

USA - 17

Somalia - 11+

Yemen - 5+

India - 4

+ = the minimum number

It's like with executions Americans are acting like Germans, over-engineering everything. Jesus. Just use fucking guns. Americans use guns to kill everyone outside prisons, why not in prisons?

I agree with R19! KISS!! We should just hack their head off, preferably publicly, like is done in Muslim countries

R17, just like COVID deaths. #1 with a bullet.

If it's such a deterrent, why isn't it televised?

[quote]why not drown them at birth?

Now there's an idea.

But that's what you want in a lynching.

[quote]I’m sure his murdered victim died more horrifically.

It's not the job of the U.S. justice system to mete out punishment that is "horrific."

That's the hard thing about the death penalty. It is natural to want vengeance. Especially when the victim died horribly. But vengeance isn't justice and if it is wrong to kill, it is wrong for the state to kill you. Besides, after experiencing isolation during COVID, I'm increasingly convinced house arrest is an actual terrible sentence, so I can imagine life imprisonment is terrible. What is the greater punishment, if you need vengeance, loss of life or the rest of your life in a cement block cage, eating prison food, with little to do but think about what you've done and no freedom to decide for yourself?

I constantly wonder why the US still has capital punishment, Australia outlawed it completely in 2010.

"Did he kill someone? Check.

End of story. Next."

Donald Trump attempted to murder Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence. If he manages to get reelected, he will finish off the job and probably kill many others since he's a petty, vindictive, whiny assed bitch.

Will you be as glib if and when Trump & Company are ever punished for their numerous crimes and criminal activity, R14.

To R14, I agree with you!!

But we should "skin them alive" slowly and throw them into a salt bath, so the victims families can hear them scream.

[quote]But we should "skin them alive" slowly and throw them into a salt bath, so the victims families can hear them scream.

Victims rights!

Rather, criminal rights!

[quote]What is the greater punishment, if you need vengeance, loss of life or the rest of your life in a cement block cage, eating prison food, with little to do but think about what you've done and no freedom to decide for yourself?

Agreed. Also, life without parole is cheaper than death row & executions.

R18 What if it took a while for someone to hit you with a kill shot? No, guillotine is still best IMO.

R32.

Sailva Fouler is like a life sentence around here.

[quote] What is the greater punishment, if you need vengeance, loss of life or the rest of your life in a cement block cage, eating prison food, with little to do but think about what you've done and no freedom to decide for yourself?

We have no idea what "reforms" might come from the courts or through administrative law at the federal or state level. Someday we may see felons sentenced to life in prison being released on parole, as in Europe and Canada.

Death is final. And it's not about money. America seems to have infinite money, judging by how the nation spends it.

Japan is efficient: they use hanging. Simple. Also, none of that "I need my clergy with me otherwise it's inhumane and a violation of my right to religion" stuff. They're not even told the date of their execution until literally about 30 minutes before the actual execution.

On the one hand, I suspect that there are certain criminals that are beyond redemption and rehabilitation. Serial killers, or murderers whose victim(s) died in a particularly horrific way.

On the other hand, I also think the death penalty is, for lack of a better term, a "get out of jail free" card, in that it ends their "misery" and "punishment."

Personally, I would think it more cruel to be imprisoned for the rest of your natural life, never knowing freedom again.

Finally, I'm ultimately opposed to the death penalty due to the possibility that an innocent person could be executed. Since we citizens are theoretically the state in the US, that death is on us.

[quote]On intellectual and philosophical levels I think state-sanctioned capital punishment is wrong.

The state got into the business of removing from society members who, by their actions, had forfeited their place in it because it was no longer feasible to allow family members to exact revenge for a state-dictated capital crime. Jails took the place of cities of refuge, to which those who committed capital crimes fled to escape the wrath of relatives seeking retribution and in which the criminal was forced to live for the rest of his life.

Capital punishment is a misnomer. It was never about "punishment". It was, as stated above, the removal from society members who'd committed socially-unacceptable capital/heinous crimes.

[quote] On intellectual and philosophical levels I think state-sanctioned capital punishment is wrong. However, there are instances where my emotional side disagrees. It’s one of those issues that really test our own humanity, so to speak.

I’m again the death penalty, in principle. I know the poorer you are and the darker you are, the more likely you are to end up on death row, and I’m acutely sensitive to the idea that NONE of the January 6 rioters has gotten what I’d consider due punishment, but then i read this:

[quote] Grant dragged Carter into a mop closet and stabbed her numerous times in the chest with a homemade knife after she removed him from a job in the kitchen of Dick Conner Correctional Center in Hominy.

…and i say: fuck this asshole. Let him choke on his own vomit. My emotions are DEFINITELY making that call, and I’m okay with it.

[quote]Finally, I'm ultimately opposed to the death penalty due to the possibility that an innocent person could be executed. Since we citizens are theoretically the state in the US, that death is on us.

Worth repeating.

I think life in solitary confinement without possibility of parole is far worse than execution, but either punishment is too good for someone who stabs a poor prison worker to death with a homemade knife.

Kill them like they killed their victims so they finally know the horror they have perpetrated

r26 because millions of Americans agree with r41 and r42, including many in positions of power

Threads of violence and barbarism run through the American cultural fabric

[R43] quite sure you would change your mind if you had a family member killed like some people have, you rightous smarmy woke

[quote]you rightous smarmy woke

Lol, that's a new one.

[quote]quite sure you would change your mind if you had a family member killed like some people have, you rightous smarmy woke

I'm not R43 but my family has experienced tragic loss and no one that I know of is in favor of the death penalty. When I was a kid my aunt was raped and murdered, family members wanted life without parole but her killer was only sentenced to 27 years, a few years into his sentence he was found dead in his cell.

Unless you're in a gang, the aryan brotherhood or the mafia, prison is not a pleasant place to be, state prisons are reported to be particularly horrible.

I am against the death penalty no matter how close it hits to home. But if we must, why not overdose them with fentanyl? Thousands are dying each year from fentanyl overdose.

I’m not totally against the DP but only for really horrifying cases and when there’s literally zero doubt.

This guy appears to have killed this woman at least possibly in a crime of passion. He should not have got the DP.

Those fuckers who raped the mother and daughter, tied them up and set them on fire? I think that demands the DP.

[quote]Threads of violence and barbarism run through the American cultural fabric

Except among those who want to give every prisoner their umpteenth chance at redemption and a new puppy.

A lack of nuanced thinking also plagues many Americans r49 ...

[quote]What did he do?

This guy was already serving 130 years in prison, when he decided to hack a prison cafeteria worker to death...just because.

I'm not in favor of the death penalty, but this guy's death is a net-positive for society. Lock him up for life didn't even stop him from killing again.

The pig ordered a giant last meal. He obviously vomited because his stomach was still full of food.

[quote]What did he do?

He wasn't kind and didn't rewind, Rose.

One way to administer the death penalty is to have them do gig work and then get very sick in America.

R50 did make me laugh. Riposte!

Executions don't work. People will still kill people.

Bring back the penal colony. Dump these murderers on an island and let them deal with other.

r56 = Franz Kafka

[quote] Gay Carter [the victim] was an employee at the Dick Conner Correctional Center in Hominy and worked in the kitchen. Pam [her daughter] worked there, too. She says Grant got upset with her mother when he did not get a tray of food that he wanted. Within days, Grant stabbed her mother to death.

[quote]“I was working the day she was killed at Dick Conner Correctional Center,” Pam said. “I saw mom on the ground, but I got to say, ‘Mom, I love you.’ I got to say, I got to holler, ‘Mom, I love you,’ before I had to get out of the way.”

[quote]“I hope she was gone, because he brutally stabbed her [16 times]. The terror, how scared she must have been. How hurt she must have been. I hope she went quickly just so she wasn’t suffering, because he brutally stabbed her,” she said.

On November 13, 1998, Grant savagely and repeatedly stabbed Gay Carter, a food service supervisor at the Connor Correction Center in Hominy, Oklahoma.   Grant used a prison-made “shank” similar to a sharpened screwdriver.   Grant was serving a total of one-hundred thirty (130) years for four separate armed robberies and had been in prison for about twenty years prior to this offense.   On a previous stay at Connor Correctional Center, Grant had worked in the kitchen and he knew Carter;  however, Grant lost this job because he was fighting with another inmate.

¶ 3 The morning of and the morning before this murder, Grant and Carter argued over the breakfast tray served to Grant.   The previous morning Grant told Carter, “I’ll get you bitch,” and the morning of the murder Grant stated, “Your mine.”   Inmates Jerry James and Ronald Kuykendall, who held jobs in the dining area, witnessed these arguments.

¶ 4 After the last argument, James and Kuykendall saw Grant loitering in a storage area where cleaning supplies were kept, adjacent to the main dining area.   Carter left the dining area to go to another building where the kitchen was located.   When she returned, Grant grabbed her and pulled her into a mop closet.   Inside the closet, Grant stabbed Carter numerous times in the chest while holding her mouth closed.

¶ 5 Witnesses summoned Sergeant Daniel Gomez, the first Correctional Officer to arrive.   Gomez saw Grant still struggling with Carter.   Grant then stood up and faced Gomez, looked at him with a vacant stare, and ran across the dining hall to the storage room, while still carrying the shank in his hand.   Grant shut the door, closing himself inside.

¶ 6 After Grant left the mop closet, medical personnel arrived to aid Carter.   They found that she was not breathing, and they could not find any vital signs.   Carter was transported to the hospital, but efforts to revive her were unsuccessful.   Medical Examiner Robert Hemphill determined that Carter died as a result of sixteen stab wounds.   Carter’s aorta was punctured, causing rapid blood loss resulting in her death.

Sorry if I don’t feel sorry for his vomiting and convulsing a couple minutes

Human beings are the creatures of our worst nightmares.

I am opposed to capital punishment, but if the US has to be as barbaric as the Taliban is, then at least bring back the guillotine. It was designed specifically to be humane and quick. With modern engineering, entirely foolproof machines certainly could be created. Who decided feeding people ineffective poisons is humane? Is it because the horror of the death is supposed to be entirely internal?

The death penalty is barbaric and achieves nothing other than revenge.

r61, the guillotine has never been used in the United States.

From time to time, we couldn't even bear French Fries, so we don't need their fancy head chopper.

R63 And? Is that an argument for not using it? Or what is your point?

r65, the implication in this statement...

[quote] I am opposed to capital punishment, but if the US has to be as barbaric as the Taliban is, then at least bring back the guillotine.

...is that the US used the guillotine in the past; I was merely pointing out that is not the case.

Or R66 it simply acknowledges that the guillotine is an archaic instrument that is not in current use but which would be a more humane option than current methods of state-executed murders.

Japan is what I would consider a very civilized country and they have the death penalty. It isn't about revenge, it's about removing people who pose such a great threat to society that having them near any other living person, is a danger. The audacity of people talking about how barbaric it is and how we should imprison for life. Um, that is EXACTLY what this guy was, he was in prison. And he still viciously murdered someone.

I have an idea. To all the people who think capital punishment is wrong, why don't we garnish your paychecks for a lifetime so you can pay to keep these criminals alive and have YOU stand guard over them for a lifetime. That way you get what you want, the peace of mind knowing that you've done the right thing and if the criminal you're guarding threatens your safety, you'll know it was yourself who chose to keep them alive. Problem solved.

Historically I have always been opposed to the death penalty but I am not as absolute as I was in my younger more uneducated days. Partly because there are many ways technology has granted us the means to know for sure someone is guilty.

This guy was already in prison for probably his entire life and there is no other way to punish or deter such people from killing. Prison employees and other prisoners and their visitors have a right to be safe from these people who have nothing else to lose.

The death penalty may not deter killing but it keeps that killer from killing again. And. the deterrence factor does work in many types of killings.

I am disappointed in the Innocence Project which has of late spun incredible lies about some inmates they are trying to free. Julius Jones, for instance. Sociopathic killers are too dangerous to keep alive.

Think though if they killed Hannibal Lecter there wouldn't have been a movie.

Working in a hospital, I've seen a lot of people die. Sometimes they vomit and convulse. This guy isn't special.

I'll bet his victim vomited up blood after he tore her aorta with a "shank".