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Vintage gays sharing Thankgiving dinner

The original thread was closed. I think it deserves to be a DL tradition.

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by Anonymousreply 173November 26, 2021 10:41 PM

Must be a meal before the wave of gay adoptions; not a turkey baster in sight on that table.

by Anonymousreply 1October 29, 2021 7:43 AM

Gays are just better!

by Anonymousreply 2October 29, 2021 9:12 AM

If this were taken today they'd all be wearing caftans and earrings.

by Anonymousreply 3October 29, 2021 9:37 AM

It's like looking at a last dinner of aristocrats before the Revolution.

Little do they know it's one minute to midnight, and the Youth Quake.

They're only a tossed daisy from being overtaken by the Flower Power Generation, and becoming.... Yesterday People!

by Anonymousreply 4October 29, 2021 9:43 AM

Would this have been before or after the JFK assassination?

by Anonymousreply 5October 29, 2021 9:47 AM

6 days after

by Anonymousreply 6October 29, 2021 9:49 AM

Things you wouldn't see today-ties and dress shirts,smoking, and coffee with dinner.

by Anonymousreply 7October 29, 2021 9:55 AM

This image must be fake! There are no trans women of color and everyone knows that gay people didn’t exist until they came along and made it possible.

by Anonymousreply 8October 29, 2021 10:03 AM

I remember these times. The men wearing shirt and tie, the ladies their best dresses. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter. We went to the cemetery on Memorial Day, or as my grandmother called it, Decoration Day. (You decorate the graves with flowers...)

It’s unfortunate this has broken down over the years. You knew these days were really special. You didn’t consider going shopping on them, as some do.

by Anonymousreply 9October 29, 2021 10:13 AM

I love this pic. Thanks for reposting!

by Anonymousreply 10October 29, 2021 10:14 AM

Cross-country travel was not so easy. You came home on Thanksgiving OR Christmas. You spent the other holiday with locals you were close to.

by Anonymousreply 11October 29, 2021 10:16 AM

Twelve gay men around a table and they couldn't have done one Last Supper photo?

It's worth a look at the album which is lovely, just over 100 photos, including others of the Thanksgiving dinner, 1963.

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by Anonymousreply 12October 29, 2021 10:41 AM

Thanks, OP! But a wee bit early. Do you already have your Christmas tree up and decorated?

by Anonymousreply 13October 29, 2021 10:48 AM

Tell us about Roger and Frank.

by Anonymousreply 14October 29, 2021 10:49 AM

[quote]If this were taken today they'd all be wearing caftans and earrings.

No, they wouldn't. And the caftan comments are getting a bit old.

by Anonymousreply 15October 29, 2021 10:58 AM

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing, OP

by Anonymousreply 16October 29, 2021 11:08 AM

Spot the gay clichés...

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by Anonymousreply 17October 29, 2021 11:09 AM

Frank is a handsome pocket gay. Thanks for sharing the album. It's wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 18October 29, 2021 11:27 AM

R7 Things you would see today, everyone on their phones and no conversation.

by Anonymousreply 19October 29, 2021 11:37 AM

We're they as bitchy as gays today? Genuinely asking

by Anonymousreply 20October 29, 2021 11:44 AM

I'm glad someone has preserved these pics from another era, too much of our history has been lost.

by Anonymousreply 21October 29, 2021 12:14 PM

A long standing tradition, having a holiday dinner with people you love. Here's a group of Gay men from 1969. Yep, we've always been here

This is actually a video, click on it to play

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by Anonymousreply 22October 29, 2021 1:22 PM

Why is Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson not at that table??? Racists.

by Anonymousreply 23October 29, 2021 1:48 PM

@r22, What's really interesting about that video is how much the world and styles had changed from 1963 to 1969.

by Anonymousreply 24October 29, 2021 1:59 PM

[quote]No, they wouldn't. And the caftan comments are getting a bit old.

Agreed. Even more tiresome are the remarks about trans (R8, R23). I'm sick of it.

by Anonymousreply 25October 29, 2021 2:07 PM

So many horizontal stripes, in R22's clip

by Anonymousreply 26October 29, 2021 3:02 PM

[quote] Twelve gay men around a table and they couldn't have done one Last Supper photo?

You need 13 gay men to do this! 😝

by Anonymousreply 27October 29, 2021 3:21 PM

I was 11 in 1963 and of course distinctly remember the Kennedy assassination and the four days when the entire country was shut down. But for the life of me, I can't remember anything unusual about Thanksgiving that year, even though it took place just a few days after.

by Anonymousreply 28October 29, 2021 3:49 PM

r24 it happened so fast.

by Anonymousreply 29October 29, 2021 4:58 PM

"So many horizontal stripes, in [R22]'s clip "

The whole "surfer dude" thing was big then

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by Anonymousreply 30October 29, 2021 5:05 PM

R22 - Those nice young men couldn’t POSSIBLY be gay!! They all live in a college fraternity house and that video clip was taken by their House Mother!!

by Anonymousreply 31October 29, 2021 5:39 PM

Obviously the white dining room during Jim Crowe. Those villainous white boys need to be taken the fuck out!!!

Reverend Doctor Professor Brittany Cooper

Rutgers University

by Anonymousreply 32October 29, 2021 5:46 PM

"Those villainous white boys need to be taken out and fucked!!! "

There, fixed it for you

by Anonymousreply 33October 29, 2021 5:54 PM

[quote]Obviously the white dining room during Jim Crowe.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 34October 29, 2021 6:05 PM

In both pictures from 1963 and 1969 what is the one thing they both have in common?

Both parties have a lovely set of matching china, some things never change

by Anonymousreply 35October 29, 2021 6:11 PM

Does anybody still use China?

by Anonymousreply 36October 29, 2021 7:09 PM

I'm pretty sure we use it for a lot of our imports.

by Anonymousreply 37October 29, 2021 7:10 PM

"Does anybody still use China? "

Um... yeah

by Anonymousreply 38October 29, 2021 7:13 PM

I can't think of anyone who has a set of china anymore.

by Anonymousreply 39October 29, 2021 7:13 PM

^Try selling one. You pretty much have to put it out on the sidewalk in order to get rid of it.

by Anonymousreply 40October 29, 2021 7:22 PM

My mother tried to sell my grandmother's china set a few years ago and everywhere she went she was told there just isn't any demand.

by Anonymousreply 41October 29, 2021 7:25 PM

^A friend who got married in 1978 recently decided to sell her "formal" wedding china since it never gets used. The place settings cost $100 then, which is a little more than $400 in today's money. The best price she could get was $6 a setting. She threw it all away.

by Anonymousreply 42October 29, 2021 7:28 PM

r32, is Jim Crowe related to Russell?

by Anonymousreply 43October 29, 2021 7:33 PM

Meh, it’s no Christmas Office Party starring Svetlana and the gang.

by Anonymousreply 44October 29, 2021 7:38 PM

[quote]A friend who got married in 1978 recently decided to sell her "formal" wedding china since it never gets used. The place settings cost $100 then, which is a little more than $400 in today's money. The best price she could get was $6 a setting. She threw it all away.

You'd think people would snap up a nice set for everyday use.

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by Anonymousreply 45October 29, 2021 10:27 PM

You slobs. I have a full set of Sheffield china for breakfast, brunch, and lunch. Also a full set of Royal Derby for dinner. And a very informal service for 4 that is used for everyday.

by Anonymousreply 46October 29, 2021 10:34 PM

Yes r46 we all know that you eldergays use your best china daily, and have fancy dinner parties with your best china (which turn into screeching arguments about who did the definitive rendition of "I'm Still Here") but the rest of the world has moved on.

by Anonymousreply 47October 29, 2021 11:19 PM

^ Bite me, sonny

by Anonymousreply 48October 29, 2021 11:22 PM

I think the transitional years for the big change men's grooming were even shorter, more like from 1967 to 1969. I graduated from high school in suburban NJ in 1967 and had never had sideburns or facial hair or even worn blue jeans. I came home from college for Christmas the1967 vacation with all of that.

By the summer of 1969 I had a Jewfro and bell bottoms and a few of those striped surfer tees discussed above. And I was tie-dying all my white tee shirts in a bucket in the back yard.

by Anonymousreply 49October 29, 2021 11:41 PM

Is there a book of Roger and Frank's Life and Love in the 1950s? I would love to buy a copy.

by Anonymousreply 50October 30, 2021 12:08 AM

These Nancy Boys are obviously discussing how to help the poor widow.

by Anonymousreply 51October 30, 2021 12:29 AM

R47 Moving on.

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by Anonymousreply 52October 30, 2021 12:32 AM

R28 I can't even remember Thanksgiving that year. I think everyone was in shock.

by Anonymousreply 53October 30, 2021 12:43 AM

They look like such nice boys.

by Anonymousreply 54October 30, 2021 12:44 AM

What could be better than men enjoying the company of men?

by Anonymousreply 55October 30, 2021 4:15 AM

^ I agree, even though I get along fine with my family, my best holiday dinners were those spent with my Gay buddies

by Anonymousreply 56October 30, 2021 4:23 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 57November 4, 2021 6:37 AM

[quote]Why is Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson not at that table??? Racists.

They were too busy out giving trans turkeys of color their rights!

by Anonymousreply 58November 4, 2021 7:09 AM

[quote]You slobs. I have a full set of Sheffield china for breakfast, brunch, and lunch. Also a full set of Royal Derby for dinner. And a very informal service for 4 that is used for everyday.

Melmac or Corelle?

by Anonymousreply 59November 4, 2021 6:57 PM

I never had any fun at holiday gatherings, especially those with co-workers.

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by Anonymousreply 60November 4, 2021 7:50 PM

The man at the head of the table looks like Mario Cuomo.

by Anonymousreply 61November 4, 2021 8:03 PM

Considering how empty the grocery store shelves have been this past week, it's looking like the coming Thanksgiving is not only not going to be very gay, but it's likely to be kind of bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 62November 5, 2021 4:10 PM

I've gotten sort of fascinated by these two guys. Could anyone do me a favor and post a link to the original thread? I can't find it. Thanks,

by Anonymousreply 63November 7, 2021 2:31 PM

R42 et al

Dishwashers are ubiquitous nowadays, and have been for many decades. Most housewives or anyone else won't use tableware, silverware or anything else that cannot go into dishwasher.

Know some say you can put fine china in dishwasher, but am not too keen on trying. So am another who doesn't bother hauling out any of my good china. Have spent too many hours in kitchen handwashing, drying and putting away all that stuff, am not going back down that rabbit hole.

Our "best" chinaware are now sets of plates, cups. saucers, etc.. that nabbed several years ago from a restaurant supply place that was having a going out of business sale. You can't kill these things, and best of all entire lot goes right into dishwasher.

by Anonymousreply 64November 7, 2021 3:24 PM

Oh and don't even ask about silver service.

Mother's wedding and heirloom (grandmother's) silver hasn't seen light of day in ages. Ditto for various aunts and other females in our family.

by Anonymousreply 65November 7, 2021 3:27 PM

Original DL thread...

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by Anonymousreply 66November 7, 2021 3:35 PM

They’re having a heated discussion about whether a host should keep a gifted bottle of wine for themselves or pour it for everybody.

by Anonymousreply 67November 7, 2021 3:42 PM

R11

Exactly!

Air fares were still regulated in1963, and thus flying wasn't cheap. If you were going within a day or less train ride, yes people went home for Thanksgiving, but otherwise many simply had to make a choice on which major holiday they went home.

Many people had to work Friday after Thanksgiving so again going home or away for the holiday wasn't an option. For gays who were well represented then and today in retail, theatre, performing arts, etc... Friday probably had to work on Friday after Thanksgiving as well.

by Anonymousreply 68November 7, 2021 3:47 PM

Thanks very much R66!

by Anonymousreply 69November 7, 2021 3:54 PM

You're welcome!

Tweren't nothing....

by Anonymousreply 70November 7, 2021 4:00 PM

We had an exhaustive discussion on DL at the time, but still wonder how and why pictures of a decade together were just thrown away. If someone hadn't spotted them in a Philly "junk shop" they might be languishing there still, or maybe just thrown away and now rotting in some landfill.

Still, and again as discussed exhaustively at time, it is so wonderful to see gay men in 1950's and 1960's living their lives.

Sadly as research in previous thread on subject showed, nearly all the men identified in those photos died alone. Some are buried with family members, others by themselves in graves that look as if no one as bothered visiting.

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by Anonymousreply 71November 7, 2021 4:06 PM

Never mind, found my answer...

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by Anonymousreply 72November 7, 2021 4:08 PM

In the first picture Roger and Frank look like they could be lead actors in an Alfred Hitchcock film. With their dark hair and dapper coats.

by Anonymousreply 73November 7, 2021 4:21 PM

Remember...many of those men (women, too) have no place to go for the holiday. Same still true today.

by Anonymousreply 74November 7, 2021 5:23 PM

OP. that is a great photo.

by Anonymousreply 75November 7, 2021 5:47 PM

R49, I'm with you... there was a huge shift in 'everything' between'67 - '69. I watched the Ken Burns documentary in Vietnam and with all of the footage he included, I watched a sea-change in fashion and demeanor of baby boomers during those years.

by Anonymousreply 76November 7, 2021 7:08 PM

Sad in a way. 12 gay men in 1963. No one knew what was waiting for them in another 20 years. I wonder how many of them were done in by HIV?

by Anonymousreply 77November 7, 2021 7:18 PM

Pfft. You wanna talk about done in, do ya?

by Anonymousreply 78November 7, 2021 7:27 PM

R77, I honestly don't know the statistics by age. Did a lot of older men get AIDS or did it skew toward more youthful age groups?

by Anonymousreply 79November 7, 2021 7:38 PM

[quote]Is there a book of Roger and Frank's Life and Love in the 1950s? I would love to buy a copy.

Here's a sample for you r50. Now, pay up. No free samples here.

Frank screemed in tremble voice, "No, Roger, I cannot take yur ingorged manhood mutch longer."

"Don't be big babby. I almost done," Roger shoted.

by Anonymousreply 80November 7, 2021 7:39 PM

[quote]Sad in a way. 12 gay men in 1963. No one knew what was waiting for them in another 20 years. I wonder how many of them were done in by HIV?

Rock Hudson was of the same era as these men, so AIDS did affect that generation.

by Anonymousreply 81November 7, 2021 7:44 PM

Thanks for reminding me, R81. But I wonder how many men of his age got action with younger men like Hudson did.

by Anonymousreply 82November 7, 2021 7:47 PM

Wow r8 you're a bitter old cunt

by Anonymousreply 83November 7, 2021 7:56 PM

That is true r82. Rock Hudson was a famous movie star so of course he had options for sex with younger men that the average older gay man wouldn't have had. I would also be interested to know how many gay men of that generation died from AIDS, and if it was a high percentage or maybe the "average" gay men of that generation were too old to be sexually active with hook-ups/casual sex and that kind of thing by the time AIDS came around.

by Anonymousreply 84November 7, 2021 7:56 PM

I those days what in the hell did they have to be thankful about??

by Anonymousreply 85November 7, 2021 8:22 PM

One another, r85. Back then, that was all they had.

by Anonymousreply 86November 7, 2021 8:27 PM

Those men are much happier then gay men today. They have everything they need. Gay people, despite all their rights today, are miserable.

by Anonymousreply 87November 7, 2021 8:33 PM

[quote]Back then, that was all they had.

And probably all they needed.

by Anonymousreply 88November 7, 2021 8:34 PM

@r59, "Melmac or Corelle?

Fiestaware!

Tres chic

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by Anonymousreply 89November 7, 2021 9:11 PM

Melmac was form the early to mid 50s. And corelle came later.

by Anonymousreply 90November 7, 2021 9:38 PM

Aw, back then they would still have had their foreskins.

by Anonymousreply 91November 7, 2021 9:46 PM

R79

Number of famous men alone who are infected with and or died from HIV/AIDs related illness isn't short. Thus there surely were large numbers of just regular men who also succumbed.

Denholm Elliott, Leonard Frey, Anthony Perkins, Peter Allen, Tom Fuccello, Larry Kert... and others all born in 1920's ,1930's and 1940's. Thus all would also have been of same generation (if not one above or below) as most of men seen in that Thanksgiving photo in OP picture.

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by Anonymousreply 92November 8, 2021 3:18 AM

[quote] Would this have been before or after the JFK assassination?

And, more importantly: was there a collective shriek?

by Anonymousreply 93November 8, 2021 3:30 AM

i can't decide who would be the most aggressive top.

by Anonymousreply 94November 8, 2021 3:45 AM

JFK was assassinated on Friday, Nov.22. Thanksgiving that year was on Nov. 28, the latest date on which it can fall.

by Anonymousreply 95November 8, 2021 5:52 AM

Thank you!

You'd think some of the bitchy bottom ancient gays who pick apart every minor detail in posts would have spotted that glaring error. Even the fucking "On Dear" trolls let that one slide...

by Anonymousreply 96November 8, 2021 5:56 AM

Being a young or whatever gay couple back then wasn't easy at major holiday times for a host of reasons.

First time a young (closeted) gay man wanted to bring his "friend" or "roommate" home from college or for Thanksgiving because "he has no where else to go" or whatever, family likely said "fine, the more the merrier".... But when same request or announcement came for Christmas, summer vacations and nearly or all other times said young man came home, eyebrows were raised.

Even if the immediate family were cool (or just didn't ask), extended family, friends, neighbors, etc... began to wag their tongues.

Even Joe Kennedy got fed up with JFK's gay "friend" Kirk LeMoyne "Lem" Billings showing up at every other or all family events. IIRC he finally shot out "why do we have to have that fag here every summer" or some such. What Rose Kennedy thought or said history does not record. Like Lady Marchmain the very Catholic Rose Kennedy likely preferred to believe there was no vice in her son's relationship with Lem Billlings, and welcomed him into her home as a guest of her son.

Two young men living together wasn't unusual then nor now. It was when they became attached at the hip so to speak that people began to wonder.

To avoid all this unpleasantness many gay couples just remained at home.

by Anonymousreply 97November 8, 2021 6:16 AM

I would choose that time over this time in a second. Those days were much, much better.

by Anonymousreply 98November 8, 2021 3:41 PM

r98, I'd go back to those times if only I could retain the mindset that I have today -- not the knowledge of what has occurred since then, but merely the conceptualization to treat each other equally based on their character and to not be shamed or degraded for being gay.

by Anonymousreply 99November 8, 2021 3:44 PM

Is that a “Paint-by-Numbers” picture hanging on the wall on the right?

by Anonymousreply 100November 8, 2021 11:08 PM

I can't tell, R100. Is that a Margaret Keane painting on the left?

by Anonymousreply 101November 8, 2021 11:13 PM

Loved all their photos, miss those days

by Anonymousreply 102November 8, 2021 11:26 PM

R87

That is one of the most ignorant comments I've read on DL, and that is saying something considering the bullshit often posted on this forum.

Gay men were "much happier" back then how? Knowing your professional, employment and even personal life meant often not being out and honest about your sexuality?

Fact you could be terminated from employment, booted out of/denied housing, medical care, and many other things simply because you were gay? Being considered a pervert, or freak? Subject to verbal and or physical abuse, crimes, etc... only to have LE write you off as "that fag got what was coming to him...". .

Absent complicated and extensive legal manoeuvres your life partner had no legal rights. Even when such legal arrangements were made (last will and testaments, trusts...) often next of kin stepped in to have them smashed in court. Surviving partners could be (and often were) thrown out onto the street with little more than clothes on their backs. Family of deceased claimed everything that was in that home or apartment, even things surviving partner may have purchased. Unless he could prove direct ownership, that was it.

Yes, there were gay couples who managed to have long lives together, and or gays who lived largely out and on their own terms. But these often were whites, had money, were famous to some extent and or connected somehow with arts, performing arts, etc..

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by Anonymousreply 103November 9, 2021 2:45 AM

Indeed, things were not better then. Not for gay people. Not in any way. The misery. The fear. The relentless compromise. How many gay people drank themselves to death in their closets or were found hanging there?

by Anonymousreply 104November 9, 2021 12:44 PM

^ Yes and black people were happy as slaves, always singing in the fields. Such a happy people

by Anonymousreply 105November 9, 2021 1:27 PM

Pumpkin Pie

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by Anonymousreply 106November 9, 2021 1:37 PM

I love that gay guy at R105. Now he’s happy. He has his shades, convertible, picking up hot young guys. He’s much happier than anybody here. Way happier.

by Anonymousreply 107November 9, 2021 1:55 PM

R103, rather.

by Anonymousreply 108November 9, 2021 1:55 PM

^ Nothing you have said in this whole thread has made any sense

by Anonymousreply 109November 9, 2021 1:59 PM

Huh.

by Anonymousreply 110November 9, 2021 2:00 PM

[quote] or as my grandmother called it, Decoration Day. (You decorate the graves with flowers...)

Cute, but no.

Memorial Day was originally called Decoration Day, so that’s probably how she remembered it from her youth.

by Anonymousreply 111November 9, 2021 3:04 PM

R64, your refusal to use articles makes your post unreadable.

by Anonymousreply 112November 9, 2021 3:05 PM

I love that they smoke at the table.

by Anonymousreply 113November 9, 2021 3:27 PM

But isn't this a caftan?

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by Anonymousreply 114November 9, 2021 3:27 PM

If still alive, Frank Bushong would be 97 now.

by Anonymousreply 115November 9, 2021 3:29 PM

Everybody smoked indoors back then. Going outside for a cigarette was not a thing until decades later.

by Anonymousreply 116November 9, 2021 3:50 PM

I love that pic at R114.

by Anonymousreply 117November 9, 2021 3:51 PM

[quote]Everybody smoked indoors back then. Going outside for a cigarette was not a thing until decades later.

Not only in the home, but at workplaces, also, and as recently as the 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 118November 9, 2021 6:52 PM

IIRC, it wasn't until the mid-late 1990s that smokers started going outside. Indoor smoking lasted for a LONG time. It just seems unbelievable now. Could you even imagine people smoking in a workplace or a restaurant now? It would look so bizarre and out of place.

by Anonymousreply 119November 9, 2021 10:00 PM

I was fired from my job in the mid-80s because I am gay. My boss suspected it and he hired a private investigator to follow me around to confirm. Yes, I had a male roommate (who was my partner). Yes, I went to gay bars. That was all they needed.

by Anonymousreply 120November 9, 2021 11:58 PM

That's pretty shocking.

by Anonymousreply 121November 10, 2021 1:48 AM

[quote] I remember these times. The men wearing shirt and tie, the ladies their best dresses. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter. We went to the cemetery on Memorial Day, or as my grandmother called it, Decoration Day. (You decorate the graves with flowers...)

I always love reading about DataLoungers who went to the Nutcracker or Radio City Music Hall as children in their Sunday Best.

[quote]It’s unfortunate this has broken down over the years. You knew these days were really special. You didn’t consider going shopping on them, as some do.

I grew up in a coastal town as a kid in the 1980s. Twice a year my mother would drive us into the city to shop at a department store for new clothes. We would be dressed properly in button downs and oxfords and dress pants.

by Anonymousreply 122November 10, 2021 8:54 AM

We're gays better off back then? Certainly not by any stretch of imagination.

We're gays happy? Well if you consider happiness a social construct answer to that query will vary.

Certainly not all gays went around in total and exclusive state of despair. We see just from pictures in OP and elsewhere that gay men certainly did have good times, etc.. We also know this from posters on DL and stories told by gays elsewhere. So perhaps happiness is (or was) simply not wanting what they hadn't got.

by Anonymousreply 123November 10, 2021 10:23 AM

These last two posts were great! Loved them.

R122, r123

by Anonymousreply 124November 10, 2021 12:08 PM

It's great that someone from that era knew these men and was able to id them in the pics. If any of these men are still around they would be in their 80s or 90s today.

by Anonymousreply 125November 10, 2021 4:01 PM

Imagine two or more bitchy bottoms in kitchen preparing Thanksgiving meal...

"If you would just let me do this..."

" I don't care how your mother did it, that isn't way to make Hollandaise sauce"

"Who turned this oven off!"

by Anonymousreply 126November 10, 2021 4:27 PM

[quote]That's pretty shocking.

Hardly. It can still happen today.

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by Anonymousreply 127November 10, 2021 5:41 PM

Let's do a thread called "Let's be a gay Thanksgiving gathering in the 1950s!"

by Anonymousreply 128November 10, 2021 8:21 PM

I have a crush on Charles. I've been thinking about him a lot. He is so my type. I also like men's stles from the 1960s. Sick, I know.

by Anonymousreply 129November 11, 2021 2:27 AM

[quote]I also like men's stles from the 1960s.

Which specific years from the 1960's. Everything changed about every two years. We went from "Leave it to Beaver" to the Space Age to the Summer of Love to the 70's. It was a dizzying time.

by Anonymousreply 130November 11, 2021 4:22 PM

Wasn't around but from pictures, films and other media am not a fan of those trousers belted high over stomach. What was up with that?

by Anonymousreply 131November 11, 2021 4:26 PM

I wonder how many of them were circumcised.

by Anonymousreply 132November 11, 2021 4:38 PM

[quote]Wasn't around but from pictures, films and other media am not a fan of those trousers belted high over stomach. What was up with that?

They made me look more svelte.

by Anonymousreply 133November 11, 2021 6:11 PM

Men used to wear trousers at their waist, r131, whereas we wear them on the hip bone nowadays. It makes for a rather different silhouette, especially in a suit. We've nullified the use of suspenders with contemporary fashion -- there's no longer a need to hang/suspend pants at the waist.

by Anonymousreply 134November 11, 2021 7:58 PM

I love Datalounge for stuff like what you just posted.

That’s so interesting to me.

by Anonymousreply 135November 11, 2021 10:28 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 136November 16, 2021 12:17 AM

R120 Out of curiosity, what was the job?

by Anonymousreply 137November 16, 2021 12:32 AM

R120

Does it really matter Rose?

by Anonymousreply 138November 16, 2021 2:12 AM

[quote] those trousers belted high over stomach. What was up with that?

Just wait a couple decades. They’ll be laughing at what you’re wearing now.

by Anonymousreply 139November 16, 2021 2:16 AM

R138 Yes, because since I wasn't alive or aware of anything at the time I don't know anything about it. I've heard the stories but I want to know how widespread it was. Part of that is knowing the type of job. I suspect if the boss went to the expense of a PI, it had to be a white collar job. But, I wonder about blue collar GLBs, was it maybe easier for them? I mean I doubt the K-Mart or factory really cared that much, but a banker or teacher might have been harder to maintain. I know that technically, I live in a state where it can still legally happen because it isn't against state law, but I've never met anyone it has happened to in the last 20-30 years.

by Anonymousreply 140November 16, 2021 2:23 AM

I was the general manager of a corporate fitness center, R137.

by Anonymousreply 141November 16, 2021 2:58 AM

R141 Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 142November 16, 2021 3:32 AM

bump

by Anonymousreply 143November 20, 2021 1:10 AM

I think we all know those whores didn't even wait for their dinner to settle before they spent the rest of the night taking turns cumming inside each other.

by Anonymousreply 144November 20, 2021 7:07 AM

There's always someone that comes along and ruins a perfectly nice thread.

R144, that was gross and an inappropriate comment.

This may come as a surprise to *you* but then and now there are gay men who are perfectly capable of socializing without everything leading to sex. We're not all nasty pig sloppy perpetually randy sluts like yourself.

by Anonymousreply 145November 20, 2021 7:24 AM

What a sanctimonious prig you are, R145. Useless and judgmental.

I hope R144 is correct, however coarsely he stated it. I hope those guys enjoyed their holiday meal together and then went off and enjoyed the holiday evening, too.

by Anonymousreply 146November 20, 2021 1:39 PM

One of the guests at that dinner was Charles Heath. He became Frank's next partner.

by Anonymousreply 147November 22, 2021 8:08 PM

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by Anonymousreply 148November 22, 2021 8:12 PM

Roxane Gay

by Anonymousreply 149November 22, 2021 8:52 PM

R111, the holiday was called "Decoration Day" precisely because people decorated veterans' graves with flowers and flags.

by Anonymousreply 150November 22, 2021 8:57 PM

I assumed everyone knew Memorial Day was a day to visit the graves of veterans and bring flowers. It's so unfortunate people make a bigger deal about the long weekend being all about having fun in the summer.

My Scottish grandfather was killed in North Africa driving an ambulance filled with injured soldiers. He hit a mine. He was the only one among them who died. My grandmother and mother never got over that.

by Anonymousreply 151November 23, 2021 1:54 AM

Which is why it’s a major pet peeve of mine when someone says, “Happy Memorial Day!” No Memorial Day is happy by definition, you fucking inbred.

by Anonymousreply 152November 23, 2021 2:01 AM

They all did the buttsex later on

by Anonymousreply 153November 23, 2021 2:14 AM

Memorial Day/Decoration Day(the last Monday in May) was originally meant to honor service people who had given their lives for this country. Hence the term 'memorial.'

Veterans Day(Nov. 11th), previously known as Armistice Day(it changed in 1954), is meant to honor ALL who have served in the military.

There is some overlap in the observance of both these days.

by Anonymousreply 154November 23, 2021 5:33 AM

No, after dinner they put on a Judy Garland album and sipped cordials while relaxing in each other's arms. Nobody had to work the next day, and there were important shows to see on Broadway or gallery events and poetry readings to attend that weekend.

by Anonymousreply 155November 23, 2021 6:15 AM

Maybe they watched The Ballad of the Sad Cafe.

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by Anonymousreply 156November 23, 2021 7:02 AM

[quote]Maybe they watched The Ballad of the Sad Cafe.

Which I've always preferred to The Salad of the Bad Cafe.

by Anonymousreply 157November 23, 2021 7:11 AM

[quote]Nobody had to work the next day...

If that was the case, no department store in NYC would have been able to start the Christmas shopping season.

by Anonymousreply 158November 23, 2021 2:05 PM

They talked about how fabulous and amazing it would be if Bette Davis and Joan Crawford ever starred in a movie together.

by Anonymousreply 159November 23, 2021 3:10 PM

r159, they had already experienced that, since Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? had been released the year prior.

by Anonymousreply 160November 23, 2021 3:11 PM

If they went to the movies after dinner, they likely went to see The V.I.P.'s, Tom Jones, or It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, which were all released in the fall of 1963.

by Anonymousreply 161November 23, 2021 3:14 PM

R158

Nor would there have been theatre, opera, ballet, and other performing arts performances. Radio City Christmas show...

by Anonymousreply 162November 23, 2021 3:15 PM

The idea that gays were better off then than now is preposterous. As pointed out, being gay from WWII through the 60s was basically living in a prison. Constant fear that you'd be found out. Constant fear you'd be tired. Constant fear that your family would disown you. Constant fear that you might be sent off to a shrink who'd perform electro-shock therapy on you. Basically, you lived in constant fear.

My uncle was one of those gay guys. Although deeply closeted he told me a little about his life back then when I came out to him. It wasn't a happy life. Too much drinking to cover the unhappiness, too much distrust of anyone who might uncover secrets, too much self-pity. I wish I had spent more time with him and learned more.

There is a terrific little book about gay life in St. Paul MN back in the 1950s. Gives you a really solid picture of what gays went through. It's not a particularly well written memoir but so devoid of self-pity and so straightforward it's about as solid a picture of the times as you'll ever get.

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by Anonymousreply 163November 23, 2021 3:42 PM

[quote]Which I've always preferred to The Salad of the Bad Cafe.

Unless it gets tossed, right?

by Anonymousreply 164November 23, 2021 4:04 PM

R22, thanks for posting that. What are they eating for dinner -- a slice of melon?

by Anonymousreply 165November 23, 2021 4:08 PM

[quote]thanks for posting that. What are they eating for dinner -- a slice of melon?

Classic pearl-clutching at 0.18.

by Anonymousreply 166November 23, 2021 7:20 PM

[quote]The idea that gays were better off then than now is preposterous. As pointed out, being gay from WWII through the 60s was basically living in a prison.

You could forget about any kind of white collar career unless you were deeply closeted.

by Anonymousreply 167November 23, 2021 9:42 PM

HAPPY FANKSGIVING TO ALL! FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA!

by Anonymousreply 168November 24, 2021 5:06 AM

I was afraid to do anything in the seventies which might make my fraternity brothers suspect I was gay. Thirty years later, we discovered eight out of about 45 of us were gay. We were so scared we even covered it up to each other.

by Anonymousreply 169November 25, 2021 12:58 AM

But you probably knew anyway, right?

by Anonymousreply 170November 25, 2021 5:13 AM

I had my hunches, R170. Still, it was dangerous to assume, if you were wrong.

by Anonymousreply 171November 25, 2021 7:14 AM

Happy Thanksgiving, vintage Thanksgiving gays (and, of course, lesbians)! Thank you for all you did. You have made the world a better place for so many.

by Anonymousreply 172November 25, 2021 3:28 PM

Sad story of how George Rose met his end should tell people something about how gays most certainly did not have it better in past. Mr. Rose's tragic demise occurred in 1988, which may have been 1958 or 1948 for how things played out. Considered opinion then was not much different than previous decades; Mr. Rose was a nasty dirty old man who preyed upon young men and got what was coming to him....

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