Alec Baldwin kills, part 3

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Why does he have a sliver of poo on his face?

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Second degree murder?

R3 LOL. I doubt the scabs give any fucks for the rules. Get real.

Thank you for starting this thread, the other Part 3 got real weird real fast.

Like I said elsewhere, the LA Times article quoted a union member's complaint before this shooting that the gun had been accidentally left loaded twice before already. I cannot wrap my head around HOW they could have let this keep happening.

Has Baldwin taken any actions ever to address his rage issues, ever? His verbal abuse of others, his threats in public, his violence at times. Hell he verbally abused his own daughter. Ever hear the tapes? People who feel bad about this kind of behavior address it. He just carries on.

What makes anyone think he will feel anything close to compassion for the husband & child & other family of the woman he shot & killed. His first comment was to accuse the person who handed him the gun. No remorse, no sorrow for a dead woman or her family who will suffer the loss till the day they die. Her son is 9 years old, not a new born.

How nice for all the Hollywood/Media lovies to keep baning the 'Poor Alec' drum. His first comment deflecting blame & responsibility says it all for.

Sad, I used to like him. This has really altered how I feel about him. One more Hollywood low life.

Wait, WHY was there live ammo on the set?!?

R7 wait for it......the "narcissism" troll will chime on. Fucking bitch blames everything on that fake diagnosis. Just being a man makes one narcissistic. Ask any girl who takes cock.

Let’s be the teardrop tattoo. I still don’t know if I belong or not.

I'm not the narc troll but it sounds like that diagnosis really hits close to home with you, R9!

That prop girl is never gonna work again ever. She should find a new line of work. I wonder if she will be charged. Her negligence killed somebody.

Will anyone ultimately go to jail over this issue or is it more of a civil matter with payments being made to the affected families.

Probably a civil matter—like Catelyn Jenner.

R11 Of course, cunt. Everything triggers me on DL because I'M NARCISSISTIC!

It's again the standard Alec Baldwin response playbook used in all of the other scandals - It's the other person's fault

Someone on the other thread asked if it was possible to kill someone with a shoulder wound and the answer is "Yes. It's unlikely, but if you hit the subclavian artery there is going to be rapid, deadly blood loss".

Most of the shoulder is composed of muscle tissue and bone, so most shots to the shoulder will leave a "flesh wound" or break a bone. But if the big, high-pressure subclavian artery is hit or even nicked, it's a big, high-pressure artery that's close to the heart, and you can't put a tourniquet on a shoulder. If a small person like Hutchins gets hit in the subclavian artery in the middle of nowhere, well, maybe you can save them if you helicopter them to a trauma center. But they could easily bleed out first.

There was live ammo on the set because the propmaster's daughter borrowed the gun for target practice - apparently more than once.

R3, unless this "expert" was there to witness what happened and until we get an official forensic report, this article is just speculation.

the gun is an antique colt.

From the last thread:

[quote]Sounds like it was both, that some left and then the others still on set were rounded up by cops.

One of the DP's friends was interviewed on the local SF news last night. He said what we've already heard — that the union workers had been trying for days to have their concerns about unsafe conditions, turnaround time, hotel rooms, etc. addressed. Then he claimed that before they had a chance to walk out, they were ordered to leave.

He didn't mention the police, but if production already had plans to get rid of them it would make sense that the police would be called to escort everyone out.

He's started a petition to have real guns banned.

I would not want to put my life in the hands of this kid.

Way too fucking young for that kind of responsibility. Not just young in years but between the ears.

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Thanks OP, that other part 3 is mostly a mess of regurgitation already discussed in part 2. Don't get me started on the shitty title. Day late and a dollar short. You can always tell when the Frauen and the freaks take over the show.

Apparently an assistant director did yell "cold gun". This is going to get uglier fast.

An assistant director handed Alec Baldwin a prop firearm and yelled "cold gun" before the actor fired the weapon, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza, according to a court document.

The "cold gun" remark was meant to indicate that the weapon did not have live rounds, according to an affidavit for a search warrant for the movie set filed by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office and obtained by CNN affiliate KOAT.

According to the affidavit, Baldwin was handed one of three prop guns by assistant director David Halls that were set up in a cart by an armorer for the movie "Rust."

Halls did not know there were live rounds in the gun, the affidavit said.

Armorer voiced doubt about experience level

Hannah Gutierrez, the armorer for the movie, had recently finished work on her first project as head armorer, she said in a September podcast interview.

Gutierrez was identified as the armorer who "set-up" the prop gun used by Baldwin, according to a search warrant issued by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office Friday.

"I was really nervous about it at first," Gutierrez said of working as head armorer on the set of the movie "The Old Way," starring Nicolas Cage.

"I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready, but doing it, like it went really smoothly," she said in an interview on the Voices of the West podcast, which is dedicated to the Old West.

"It's really cool... really badass way to start off a really long and cool career, I'm hoping," Gutierrez added.

Gutierrez said her father, Thell Reed -- a gunsmith, stuntman and armorer -- started passing on his knowledge of guns when she was 16 years old. Though she studied filmmaking and aspired to act, she said, the transition to armorer seemed natural.

"I tried it with dad one time and then I noticed I had a really natural knack for it -- growing up around guns my whole life," Gutierrez said.

Her work as armorer ranges from teaching actors how to wear a gun belt to aiming and shooting, she said.

"I have to like just show them how to hold it straight, make it look like they're aiming at something and also you have to teach them about the recoil," said Gutierrez.'

She added, "These blanks don't really have regular like push back that regular bullets do. In order to make it look more realistic [I] tell the actors to create a little bit of recoil with their wrist."

'Make sure that the weapon is truly cold'

"Cold guns" aren't supposed to be loaded, particularly during rehearsals, a weapons expert told CNN on Friday.

"You have to make sure that the weapon is truly cold, which means there should have been no rounds in there, period. And especially if it's a rehearsal," Bryan Carpenter, an armorer and weapons master in the film industry, told CNN.

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I do wonder what kind of insurance coverage the production had, they cheaped out on everything else.

Given the departure of union staff who put concerns about safety in writing and a gun incident involving Baldwin's own stunt double the prior weekend, I do not see how he can plausibly assert he had no knowledge of safety concerns.

No gun should ever be pointed at a person without shields and other safety measures in place.

What provisions do insurance companies have in place re: gun safety when they insure a western film, any one know?

You just know Trump is dying to publicly comment on this. I wonder what or who is restraining him.

He publicly attached Meghan McCain for calling Jared and Ivanka "funeral crashers" within 24 hours of her saying it.

Start a thread, R31, this one is not about Trump.

Why was Baldwin, who is supposed to be a progressive, overseeing a non-union workplace? Even worse if he called the police to have the unionized workers escorted from the building. This is a separate issue that should kill his career.

As tragic as this is, and make no mistake it is devastating, where was all this outrage and pearl clutching over Kyle Rittenhouse walking around armed with an automatic weapon , aiming and killing people? Or the mass church and school shootings?

This was an accident. It's horrible and a woman is dead and Alec Baldwin's life is over and he'll spend the rest of his days locked in that moment. But it was not intentional. Unlike, Kyle Rittenhouse and the other mass shooters, he meant no one any harm, but for some reason he's being crucified.

Nice photo. (After clicking, open image in new tab to expand)

So much life and achievement ahead of her...

I wonder if the green haired girl had gotten paid, the rest of the crew had not been paid in 3 weeks. Shame they had to work in such a dangerous environment.

R34 Right Senora Hilarious. Thanks for joining us. Had no idea you could write in English. What a Rhodes Scholar you are! And what about Kosovo, Rwanda, 9/11, Elephant Ivory Trade, Japanese Whale Slaughter. Any other horrible things we can inject into the discussion.to make Alec look better?

On one hand, Alec seems like an emotional sensitive guy. On the other, I sincerely hope he is a “narcissist,” because it’ll help him get through this.

Also, to the posters trying to make this about Trump, just stop. It’s tiresome and played out.

If he still looked like this DL would be claiming he's innocent.

Again all the CNN Legal Analysts have been unanimous. Highly unlikely Alec Baldwin will face any criminal charges in this.

Like CNN would EVER throw Alec under the bus! Stand by your liberal, even when he's a faux liberal. How easily are they fooled! Abused union workers, FFS, like this is a good liberal?

FYI, her husband is a lawyer who went to Harvard law school!

the production company and the producers are so fucked!!! they fucking deserve it!

[quote]There were previous concerns raised about the 24-year-old armorer who was hired on Alec Baldwin’s film Rust, with two production sources telling The Daily Beast that filming on the set of her last movie was briefly stopped after she allegedly gave a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking it properly.

[quote]Gutierrez-Reed was described as being “inexperienced and green” by a Rust production source, who told The Daily Beast there were at least two previous incidents of guns being accidentally discharged by other crew members before Thursday’s tragic incident.

[quote]“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” said a source, who worked alongside armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed on the upcoming Nicolas Cage film, The Old Way. “There were a couple times she was loading the blanks and doing it in a fashion that we thought was unsafe.”

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[quote]However, that is not how production sources from The Old Way described their experience working with Gutierrez-Reed. “There were several concerns I brought to production’s attention,” one said. “I have been around firearms my entire life and noticed some things that were not okay even with loaded blank firearms.”

[quote]Another source said, compared to other sets they had been on, there was considerably less attention to gun safety under Gutierrez-Reed’s watch.

[quote]The most troubling incident occurred when Gutierrez-Reed allegedly loaded a gun on the ground where the area was filled with pebbles, then without properly checking the weapon, handed it to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, both sources told The Daily Beast.

[quote]Concerned crew members intervened, demanding filming be stopped until Gutierrez-Reed had properly checked the firearm, the two sources said.

[…]

[quote]Two Rust production sources, who have both worked in the industry for decades, claim that assistant director Dave Halls, who is named in the search warrant affidavit as the person who handed the gun to Baldwin and said it was safe, should have also checked the weapons.

[quote]“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” the first source said. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

[quote]The production source said crew members had complained directly to Halls about the previous accidental gun discharges over the weekend, demanding to make sure they were documented. “All of us yelled at him, ‘That better be on the production report, these guys are irresponsible and shouldn’t be here,’” the source explained.

[quote]“That should be automatic grounds for termination on a union film set, you should be gone. The first time that gun went off without telling anybody, that whole department should have been replaced, immediately. Clearly production thought better of it, decided to roll the dice and pay the ultimate price.”

'NOT ALEC'S FAULT' Halyna Hutchins’ dad refuses to blame Alec Baldwin for shooting her dead on set

THE distraught father of shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins yesterday insisted Alec Baldwin was not responsible for her shocking death.

Speaking for the first time since the tragedy, Anatoly Androsovych said the blame lay instead with the movie armoury team who handed the actor a loaded revolver.

Ukrainian Anatoly told The Sun on Sunday last night: “We still can’t believe Halyna is dead and her mother is going out of her mind with grief.

"But I don’t hold Alec Baldwin responsible — it is the responsibility of the props people who handle the guns.”

Anatoly said Baldwin had been in touch with her husband Matthew, a Harvard Law School graduate.

He is now fighting for his wife Olga and daughter Svetlana to fly to the US to comfort Matthew and Halyna’s nine-year-old son Andros.

Anatoly said: “The little boy has been very badly affected — he is lost without his mother.

“Matt will decide if legal action is going to be taken.”

I don't understand how anyone can be wholly on one side or the other in this case. There isn't enough information at all to determine what happened. Certainly no one who is giving a play by play on the internet, myself included.

That said, NEVER point, let alone fire a gun at anyone or anything unless you are intending to kill.

If someone hands you a gun and swears up and down that the gun is empty. It could even be from someone you completely trust. Then you take that gun, aim it at someone, anyone, and that gun goes off and takes the life of the person you were aiming, you are culpable. In the real world, law enforcement, police and the legal system, isn't going to let that go as easily as some of the posters on these threads want to make it seem.

This shit is still very much a crime. A big crime.

[quote]"It's really cool... really badass way to start off a really long and cool career, I'm hoping," Gutierrez added.

Not long but certainly cooling.

[quote] This shit is still very much a crime. A big crime.

If this is a crime, what is the intent?

I'm R45, and I'll oh dear myself.

Intent is not required for prosecution of a crime, R47. IF that were the case, drunk driving would not require a special designation.

If I had any connection to this case whatsoever, my mouth would be zipped shut tight right now. Wait and see what comes out.

R49 in the case of drinking and driving - the person chose to get behind the wheel drunk - that is intent

Alec was given a gun, which he was told was cold. No intent,

R34 Keep clutching your pearls, granny. Baldwin will not be permanently scarred by this "accident" and there is no guarantee his career is over. Once the investigation clears him of any wrongdoing, which it will, his life will be back to normal. Most people are desensitized to death these days. People kill others hundreds of times a day in car accidents. Most of them are perfectly fine afterward.

But do we know how involved Alec is, in the decision making of the the movie set? He is a producer. Someone said he co-wrote the script. the gun misfired twice before this fatal incident and nothing much was done...I think the plaintiffs has a good case. Gross negligence.

He ain't that great an actor anyways...not that I would know since I don't spend a single penny or waste my time watching this homophobe.

R53 You've never seen him in anything yet you deem him a bad actor? STFU, moron. He is a good actor or else he wouldn't have had regular work for decades.

Alec is not criminally liable as an actor.

But if his career survives after this, if he tries to brazen this out, he is no better than Trump.

This is not ok and he needs to go away. If you need to understand why killing someone, even accidentally, isn't a big enough deal to turn away from the limelight, then you are a lost soul.

that was one example among many where absolute intent does not matter in committing a crime. There are a lot of others, far more gruesome, if you want to get into it. This could go a number of ways, and yes, if you put a gun of any kind in your hand, aim, and fire it at anyone, you are responsible for what happens to that person. That is to say, do NOT POINT, AIM, OR FIRE at anyone, ever.

Whatever

According to the FB post in the other thread, this production company had workers walk off other sets too, in 2 other films, the Armouer worked on one of them.

There have been plenty of times on DL where a news story surfaced where some "guilty" party claimed that "I didn't mean it." after some action that led to their arrest. On DL, this is not usually an accepted response.

Only now, apparently because this is Alec Baldwin, so many posters on here seem to believe he has no culpability.

Bottom line - He pointed a gun at people and fired. A woman died and a man was injured.

One should never point a gun at people and pull the trigger. The refrain "I didn't think it was loaded" is a familiarly tragic one.

R54, thanks for visiting DL, Alec's PR!

Alec gave Halyna's dad major, beaucoup bucks to make that public statement & is paying for the travel for the family to come to the US. Wheels are turning as sponsors appear for them to become citizens to 'help' w. the little boy. Why not? They know the game. NOTHING is going to happen to Alec. Hollywood will circle the wagons. All & Sundry will jump on the Alec Baldwin is a victim train

Gayle King all of CNN will keep the ink wet. Poor Alec, poor Alec.

R60 is an apologist for absolute fucking morons.

Alec is a shit actor, the last film I saw him in was Hunt for red october. That was a good film. I don't think he's done anything great worth watching...he was in that shit movie with his ex-wife...he ain't no oscar winning actor, nor will he ever be.

I like Rose.

Oops nevermind

R63 Like anyone gives the tiniest fuck what you think.

what if Alec was the cunt who said screw the union crew and fuck the rules and regulations?! I think if this is the case, he will be over.

c'mon, it's not like he is box office gold, is hollywood gonna protect him?!

He may not be “over,” but can one really picture him commanding the room at some Hamptons party in the joyful, expansive way he no doubt once used to?

I've said it before, but after this I think he's going to retire from the business and I've only been half joking about him retiring to Spain. It will make his cunt wife happy, might be good for the kids, and he can try to put this behind him, live the good life, and get fat (fatter) on tapas and booze.

In the eyes of the law, it doesn't matter, R67. He was the last in the chain of command in control of that weapon. He let it get out of control.

It's a bad situation all around, that doesn't mean it isn't about to get worse for someone else. That's the way it works a whole lot of the time.

‘Rust’ armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed once gave unchecked gun to 11-year-old actor: report

The “inexperienced” armorer in charge of weapons on set of Alec Baldwin’s movie “Rust” had given a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking properly for safety, a report said.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, daughter of prominent Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was head armorer on set in Santa Fe where Baldwin fired a prop gun loaded with a live round, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.

Gutierrez-Reed’s alleged misstep happened on the set of the upcoming Nicholas Cage film, “The Old Way” and temporarily halted filming, sources told The Daily Beast.

“She was reloading the gun on the ground, where there were pebbles and stuff,” one source told the outlet. “We didn’t see her check it, we didn’t know if something got in the barrel or not.”

Gutierrez-Reed reportedly handed the gun to child actress Ryan Kiera Armstrong, forcing concerned crew members to intervene, the report said. The gun was then checked for barrel obstruction, according to the sources.

“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” a source said.

“There were a couple times she was loading the blanks and doing it in a fashion that we thought was unsafe.”

A “Rust” production source described Reed as “inexperienced and green,” to the outlet, adding that there had been two other incidents of accidental discharges by crew members.

Two other “Rust” production sources questioned if Assistant Director Dave Halls followed proper procedure before the tragic incident.

“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” one source told The Daily Beast. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

Halls was named in the affidavit calling out “cold gun,” indicating its safety before giving the weapon to Baldwin.

Another source confirmed that it should be the assistant director’s job to test each gun for being “hot” — loaded with live rounds, or “cold” — loaded with blank rounds.

“This check alone should’ve prevented this incident,” the person told The Daily Beast.

Last month, Guitierrez- Reed said on a podcast that she was “nervous” about her abilities as an armorer while she was working on “The Old Way” — her first experience as head armorer.

“You know, I was really nervous about it at first, and I almost didn’t take the job because I wasn’t sure if I was ready … but, doing it, like, it went really smoothly,” she said last month on the Voices of the West podcast. Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, daughter of prominent Hollywood armorer Thell Reed, was head armorer on set in Santa Fe where Baldwin fired a prop gun loaded with a live round, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza.

R17 Selena died from a shoulder wound as well, the bullet hit a major artery.

So there is a prop master and an armorer on every set who are both responsible for the guns? Then the person handing it to the actor - in this case the AD is supposed to actually check the gun as well?

Seems a case of almost having too many people involved and sharing responsibility.

Kids these days.

[quote]Two Rust production sources, who have both worked in the industry for decades, claim that assistant director Dave Halls, who is named in the search warrant affidavit as the person who handed the gun to Baldwin and said it was safe, should have also checked the weapons.

[quote]“He’s supposed to be our last line of defense and he failed us,” the first source said. “He’s the last person that’s supposed to look at that firearm.”

[quote][bold]According to the affidavit, Gutierrez-Reed had placed three prop guns on a cart outside where the scene was being filmed, before Halls grabbed a revolver from the cart and gave it to Baldwin. Halls called out “cold gun!” on set, according to the affidavit.[/bold]

[quote]The second production source told The Daily Beast that the first assistant director should be personally verifying whether a weapon is “hot” or “cold.” (A “cold gun” indicates there are no cartridges—including blanks—inside the firearm. A “hot gun” indicates the weapon is loaded with cartridges, either live ammunition or blank rounds.) “This check alone should’ve prevented this incident,” the person said.

Thanks r75

I know we keep asking. I'll ask again in case I missed the answer somewhere: Why would a gun used on set *ever* have live ammunition loaded?

[quote]two production sources telling The Daily Beast that filming on the set of her last movie was briefly stopped after she allegedly gave a gun to an 11-year-old actress without checking it properly.

That is insane. I cannot believe she kept getting hired. She must have been cheap.

Dave Halls is an even bigger question mark, he was in the business for decades, had a good reputation, kept getting complaints and ignored them all.

Of all people, a rare unicorn, a woman in charge on a film set, was shot by the most powerful man on set. Now, production is blaming the scab in charge of gun safety, a scapegoat with zero power, who also happens to be a woman???? So, one of the few women in charge is killed on a set full of men, shot by a man in power, and a woman gets blamed? How convenient for a sexist PIG like Alec Baldwin.

I would think that Baldwin would have some PTSD issues. A friend of mine shot and killed a convenience store robber who was about to shoot the clerk. Even though his fellow officers knew he took a life to save a life it really messed him up. He was never the same, he had years of counseling but he just couldn't accept taking someone's life.

[quote]Now, production is blaming the scab in charge of gun safety, a scapegoat with zero power, who also happens to be a woman

Her dad is well respected and has been in the business a long time, I'm not so sure the Hollywood establishment is going to let this cheap 'n' sleazy production company put this all on her.

I look at it a bit this way—trying to make sense of the responsibility. If a pharmacist gives you a certain medicine for a relative, and you trust it’s the medicine they said it is, who’s at fault when the pharmacist is careless and gave you medicine that kills the person taking it? It wasn’t Baldwin’s responsibility to make sure the gun was unloaded. Hell, i know I wouldn’t be able to check a gun to see that.

Baldwin was being unsafe with the prop gun, simply because he pointed the gun in the direction of co-workers and pulled the trigger... during a rehearsal.

Regardless of whose job it was to check the the prop gun was safely "cold", it was Alec's job as an actor to observe basic gun safety, and it was his job as producer to address the safety concerns that had been raised on the set, particularly after the previous incidents. So yeah, I think there's a good case for prosecuting him for manslaughter.

One easy way to enhance gun safety on film sets would be for the Armorer to use different colors of DayGlo spray paints for the different bullets. People like the armorer, AD, and actor would be able to visually determine immediately what type of ammo is in the gun based on the color of the DayGlo paint. It should become an industry standard.

GREEN = DUMMY CARTRIDGE (Fake bullet that looks realistic, but has been completely rendered inert)

BLUE = BLANK CARTRIDGE (Shell Casing contains: Primer, Gunpowder: 1/4 LOAD “NY Load” Explosive Charge, Wax or Wad Tip-- NO BULLET Tip)

ORANGE = BLANK CARTRIDGE (Shell Casing contains: Primer, Gunpowder: 1/2 LOAD Explosive Charge, Wax or Cotton Wad Tip-- NO BULLET Tip)

RED = LIVE ROUND/ REAL BULLET (Shell Casing contains: Primer, Gunpowder: FULL LOAD 100% Explosive Charge -- REAL BULLET at Tip)

It must be so surreal to him, after his long career, to have things end this way and to know this accident is what will define him and how his legacy is remembered.

R84 then again, when L’Wren Scott died, we were all saying Mick would be forever tainted. He’s fine.

The Crow continued shooting with a double for Brandon Lee and the film was released.

I think that there's a good chance that Rust will start filming again with replacements for the Armorer, AD, DP, Prop Master, and some others. If he has to, Alec will finance its completion or find financing.

The producers will make a big deal about correcting all of the problems including fast payment to the crew, new safety measures, Santa Fe hotels for the crew, and hiring back the union crew who walked out. The producers will set up a film school scholarship in Halyna's name for women who want to be cinematographers.

Alec will also see that a trust fund is set up for Halyna's son.

The one lasting outcome we can be sure of is, Alec will eternally be hounded on social media. He’ll never again be able to bloviate on politics without having this thrown in his face. I do think he and Hilaria will attempt to brazen it out, though.

I feel for Ireland. As the eldest child, she’s been through a lot.

Meant to add, I have an unpopular take on the infamous tape of Alec yelling at Ireland. One could argue his poorly expressed frustration showed that he at least gave a damn about her. As opposed to an indifferent, neglectful celebrity dad. Just a thought.

just a reminder, so far all speculations and "unconfirmed" report, the investigation is ongoing, and Santa Fe Sheriff Dept are not expected to complete the investigation by next week.

R79 sounds like your friend was a human w. the ability to feel compassion.

And then there's Alec Baldwin. Check out all the exposed Stats on this MOFO. Now imagine what goes on when he isn't exposed. His first reaction was, "Who handed me a hot gun", not is she alive, is he OK. Nope it was all about HIM, poor Alec Baldwin. If push comes to shove will it be go to rehab, poor me I had a slip. Goes to a psych unit for stress. Has a phony heart attack. Or, wait for it, was sexually abused, ala #MeToo. Call Rose McG. stat.

Of course there is always the goto of Senorita Hilaria, what deflecting magic tricks will hermana pull out of her panties & nursing bra?

Halyna's dad refuses to blame Alec Baldwin. He thinks that the armorer and people who were in charge of the gun are responsible for his daughter's death.

If I were the bereaved parents or husband, I'd wait and stay quiet for the time being. I'm not sure I'd even take a call from Alec Baldwin. Or maybe I would, just to see what he had to say. But I'd keep mum.

R34, Alec is not being crucified. But his whining and social media posts about how he feels are very inappropriate and part of the pr spin. It's unlikely he has any liability is an actor but he has quite a bit as a producer. He's always been a hypocrite. One need only compare what he says about protecting the environment versus the lifestyle he has to see one example of his hypocrisy. But he's only been supportive of labor when it's served him. He even complained about public marches that were focused on pay issues because the marchers interfered with his enjoyment of Manhattan. That degree of egocentrism has finally bitten him on the ass as a producer. He is done. At least he is done among people who care about ethical behavior.

Some news reports are saying that the Prop Master was a non-union replacement of the union Prop Master who walked out with the others just before the accident.

Other news reports are saying that the Armorer laid 3 guns on a table outside of the church (following Covid protocol) and that the AD chose one of the 3 guns and went inside of the church and gave the gun to Alec for the camera rehearsal. The AD yelled, "cold gun!"

So where does the scab Prop Master fit into the timeline and chain of command of the gun +ammo?

Local 44 confirmed there was no union prop master, and they also said "props...were staffed by New Mexico crew members."

That's vague and could mean anything. We know, from the Variety articles, that the guns were in the possession of Gutierrez first, then Halls. That's the way guns are frequently handled on the set: the armorer checks the guns and lays them out, the AD picks up the gun, checks it again, then hands it to the actor.

Whether there was a prop master handling the guns prior to Gutierrez the armorer, no one seems to know. Or at least no one has been very clear about that. If there WAS, it was a local, but the local prop master may not have had anything to do with the guns and had only been working on the other props.

Keep in mind that the guns went off three times before the union employees walked off, so it seems like the problem was almost entirely Gutierrez's and Halls's.

Wait, R93, so if Alec made no statement, he'd be criticized for that. Alec makes a statement and you accuse him of being inappropriate and whining all over the place. Sounds like he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

You can't even admit that it was tragic accident.

Yep, you proved that he's being crucified.

He had to make some sort of statement. It was fine under the circumstances.

R96 for reasons unimaginable you are twisting what I and other people are saying. It was inappropriate for Alec to say what he said. But he is someone who is always tried to control the narrative including saying on many occasions his wife was from Spain. Facts don't mean a lot to Alec and apparently don't mean anything to you.

R83, I like your system, and I don’t know anything about guns, but would the paint affect the combustion/fit/propulsion of the bullets?

I'm only talking about you R98. Not other people. I don't even know what all these other people are saying. All I know is that you said what Alec said was inappropriate and that he's whining all over the place.

I get it. You don't care for Alec Baldwin and you're crucifying him for a tragic accident, not only because of that accident , but also because you think he's a hypocrite, egocentric and his wife lied about where she came from.

R100 I'm not crucifying him and you admitting your own ignorance doesn't do your cause any good. But you have an agenda and there's nothing we can do to get you to pay attention to facts rather than hyperbole. Have a good day.

Buenos Dias Hilaria. Thanks for your mucho excuses for marido. Your transparency is amusing. Glad you didn't post any nursing, titty, thong, pedo shots of daughter to help your case. This is a gay site & won't win you any points. I can run a little nauseous this early in the day. Actually, whenever I am unlucky enough to encounter any of you, I flash on your porn/fetish stuff & it makes me throw up in my mouth anytime of the day...PIG!

Anyone who says Baldwin is being "crucified" will burn in hell. He killed an innocent woman no matter how you try to change the facts. He didn't mean to, it was an accident. But Jesus fucking Crucified Christ, Alec Baldwin IS NOT THE VICTIM.

R103. Alec will be wearing the victim cloak from now on, every day, all day., All the 'sold-out' Media will be pummeling the public with this narrative.Every now z lister will jump on this bandwagon as well. Wait till you see the pics. w. the Spanish wife & kids all dressed in Spanish ultra black mourning. Bet she is steaming the black lace mantilla as I am writing this. She will be shortly sharing that she has cried so mucho, mucho for her poor Alec that her milk has dried up.

R31 [quote]You just know Trump is dying to publicly comment on this. I wonder what or who is restraining him.

Well, it was a woman who was killed, so it's hard for him to pretend he cares.

R105, there's something so bizarre about this- Baldwin actually did shoot someone in the middle of the day - not on 5th Ave but Santa Fe, and no one cares. He fulfilled Trump's most ludicrous, incendiary statement.

Considering the coverage, I wouldn't say no one cares. It's clearly chafing Trump and his stans though that Baldwin isn't getting more of a villain edit in the press.

I do think Alec the actor is not to blame and deserving of some sympathy. Actors must be able to rely on the sfx and safety experts on set. However, Alec has culpability as a producer and as the most powerful person on that set--just how much remains to be seen.

r103 I think everyone on that set is victim, that is a horrific thing to experience and to be the one unintentionally responsible is a nightmare.

But if you think you could accidentally kill someone and not feel like a victim of circumstance than you sir are a far greater individual than many.

if you've worked on a set, you know how important the AD is, especially regarding safety issues. This article has new information. This guy disregarded the safety of his cast and crew.

So what's the big deal?

R108, to kill someone and then request public outcries of sympathy for YOURSELF? Really think about that.

Who, or what, is driving obsessives to keep turning the conversation to Dump and Kyle Rittenhouse?

I'm pretty skeptical that celebs send "cleaners" to Datalounge to derail negative threads, but I'm really starting to wonder now.

[quote]Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

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[quote]The tragedy occurred Thursday afternoon during filming of a gunfight that began in a church that is part of the old Western town at the ranch. Baldwin’s character was supposed to back out of the church, according to production notes obtained by The Times. It was the 12th day of a 21-day shoot.

[quote]Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was huddled around a monitor lining up her next camera shot when she was accidentally killed by the prop gun fired by Baldwin.

[quote]The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.

[quote]Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.

[quote]Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.

[quote]“Rust” had seven production entities listed as backing the film: Alec Baldwin’s El Dorado Pictures, Thomasville Pictures, Cavalry Media, Brittany House Pictures, Short Porch Pictures and financiers Bondit Media Capital and Streamline Global.

[quote]Streamline Global bills itself as an investment vehicle. According to its website, “Streamline buys, sells, and produces qualified feature films that qualify under the provisions of IRS code section 181 and 168(k)…. Similar to acquiring an aircraft, some asset classes afford the owner with tax benefits in the form of bonus depreciation or tax credits.” The company also touts that it has “unparalleled access to prestige independent projects.”

[quote]Halveson, according to her company bio, has been active in film production since 2015.

[quote]Thomasville Pictures, which according to Georgia state records is based in Thomasville, Ga., about 35 miles northeast of Tallahasee, Fla., is connected to Ryan Donnell Smith, who is also a partner with Halveson in Streamline Global. Smith’s bio for Streamline Global describes him as “a bondable line producer for projects up to $30M” with “more than a decade of expertise in film production and strong relationships with creatives and executives.”

[quote]Smith is credited as executive producer of Netflix’s “The Trial of the Chicago 7” and is a producer on a number of upcoming Streamline Global movies including the Alec Baldwin starrer “Supercell.” That movie is also produced by Short Porch Pictures and Thomasville Pictures.

[quote]Cavalry Media, headed by industry veteran Dana Brunetti, is the management-production entity that represents Baldwin. Brittany House Pictures is headed by actor-producer Anjul Nigam. Nigam’s banner previously worked with Baldwin and El Dorado Pictures on the 2019 indie “Crown Vic.”

[quote]Short Porch Pictures is the banner for producer Ryan Winterstern, who has a number of indie film credits to his name. [bold]Winterstern, Smith, Nigam and Baldwin are credited as producers on “Rust.” Halveson, Bondit Media Capital’s Matthew Helderman and Cavalry Media’s Matthew DelPiano are listed as executive producers.[/bold]

[quote]No search warrant returns were immediately available at the courthouse, so it is not clear what evidence investigators collected from the scene of the shooting. But the affidavit offers a glimpse into what Cano and other detectives believe might aid their investigation, including a mention that the shooting may have been caught on film or some sort of other video.

[quote]Magistrate Judge John Rysanek signed off on Cano’s request early Friday morning to gather film, video and cameras; live and prop weapons and ammunition, plus documentation of ownership of weapons and ammunition; clothing worn by Baldwin and others at the time of the shooting (which may have been splattered with blood, given the “close proximity” in which the shooting took place); computer equipment used to record and store video, plus cellphones of people present; and interior and exterior photographs of the wooden structure on the ranch where Baldwin fired.

[quote]The affidavit also lays out the timeline, which Cano attributes to witness statements:

[quote]The crew and actors were performing a rehearsal for a scene in Rust, Baldwin’s latest project in which he is working as an actor and producer. Cameras were set up on the scene.

[quote]The film crew’s armorer had laid three “prop guns” out on a rolling cart, and the film’s assistant director grabbed one for the rehearsal and handed it to Baldwin. (Though the armorer and the assistant director are named in the affidavit, SFR is not identifying them because neither has been accused or charged with a crime.)

[quote]That’s when the assistant director signaled to those gathered for the rehearsal that there was no live ammunition in the gun by shouting: “Cold gun.”

[quote]The assistant director “did not know live rounds were in the prop-gun,” Cano wrote in the affidavit.

[quote]After the shooting, Baldwin changed out of the “Old Western” costume he was wearing for the scene and into street clothes. The actor gave the costume to investigators before leaving the ranch.

[quote]The armorer, meanwhile, took possession of the prop-gun Baldwin fired and a spent casing. The armorer turned the gun over to detectives, who placed it in a squad car along with the other prop weapons and ammunition that had been on the rolling cart. The film is set in the 1880s, but the affidavit does not detail the type or caliber of the weapon.

[quote]Baldwin voluntarily went to the sheriff’s office after the shooting and provided a statement, sources tell SFR. It appears he is being considered a witness, not a suspect.

What kills me is he is the biggest loud mouth hot head on Twitter, who says whatever he thinks every second of the day, yet now his statement is clearly triple proofed by lawyers to ensure he doesn't implicate himself by saying "I'm sorry".

He is a central figure in a criminal investigation, R116. Anyone under similar circumstance would be. It's unfortunate that someone in that situation is not able to speak off the cuff, but that's a completely different discussion. The world we live in right here, right now, if you are in a situation like this, you absolutely do not speak publicly without legal counsel, about anything.

[/quote]Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor.

Am I reading this correctly? It seems as though there wasn't supposed to be a "shot," that the scene was him just pulling the gun out and maybe pointing it. And the second take it unexpectedly went off? That is a not at all uncommon accident, and all the more reason any gun on set should not be loaded unless it needs to be.

If that's the case, the trolls who keep yammering about how Baldwin was recklessly pointing and shooting at people really need to STFU.

Again, in his role as a producer he is very much responsible for the lax safety precautions and flouting of procedures. There's no need to embellish his culpability with this bullshit.

^ Today is my day to keep fucking up the quote function, apparently.

In a civil case the distinction between him being an actor and a producer might come into play, or in regards to an insurance claim, but there is absolutely no distinction between the two roles in a criminal trial. He is one in the same in the eye of the law. His job title does not matter.

R117, exactly. So which is the act? His Twitter fiend blowhard bullshit? Or is he currently under sedation with his phone locked away?

Alec may not know it was a hot gun but he might as well have put the bullet in there himself as the producer who didn't give a shit about safety and rules. Zero sympathy.

This is what you get for using inexperienced non union crew

R118, before the fatal incident, they already had 2 gun incidents. I assume that was one of the previous incident.

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Alec was given a gun, which he was told was cold, on a set where there had been numerous dangerous gun events. He's one of the bosses on that set. As an actor, it was his responsibility to verify that the gun was cold, as it is every step of custody. Every person on set who is going to handle a firearm, dummy or not, is obligated by Union rules to get training and abide by the training, and to treat the gun as cold. If he was not filming, and unless the gun jumped out of the cart and into his hands by itself, he should not have been holding the gun. Being that he was holding it, he should have treated it as if it were hot as everyone is supposed to do at all times, even if the AD says it's cold.

^Treat the gun as hot, obviously, not treat it as cold.

Armorer who handled ‘loaded gun’ before fatal shooting on Alec Baldwin set shuts down social media accounts

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, has removed her Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok accounts after images emerged of her toting guns.

Sources have said that she cancelled her social media accounts, including one under the name "no_son_of_a_gun" on legal advice following the tragic shooting.

She also appears to have run a financial domination account on Twitter as a sideline job - an account she has now also deleted.

This follows reports that filming was halted on a set Hannah Gutierrez Reed was previously working on because she "gave a gun to a child."

Two production sources revealed that filming on set of her last movie was briefly stopped after she allegedly gave a gun to an 11-year-old without checking it properly.

“She was a bit careless with the guns, waving it around every now and again,” one source told The Daily Beast.

The source, who worked alongside Hannah Gutierrez-Reed on the upcoming Nicolas Cage film, The Old Way, continued: "There were a couple times she was loading the blanks and doing it in a fashion that we thought was unsafe.”

R125 you are wrong. The actors are not to check the guns. Armorers have said that if an actor checks the gun then the armorer has to recheck it.

[quote]“An actor puts a tremendous amount of trust in their prop department, especially armorers and pyrotechnics, those are the things that can literally kill most easily,” Merrick said. “We go through diligent safety procedures. First being not to have real ammo on the set, or on the truck. And we constantly inspect the ammunition to make sure it’s the appropriate ammunition for that particular firearm. We block out a scene very carefully with the director, the actors, director of photography, and we make sure that everybody is comfortable with the timing.”

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[quote]Merrick said there are industry safety standards for firearms handling that disallow having live ammo on a studio lot, or on a set. “There are rare exceptions when real live fire is happening. We have ways of faking most everything, even practically faking it without CGI. To make it look as though there’s real rounds going into a machine gun when it’s belt fed — things like that.”

[quote]In the case of “Rust,” a period Western, the film was likely dealing with firearms from that era — and if the armorer was inexperienced, that could have led to a misunderstanding of its capabilities.

[…]

[quote]Corrie noted that the procedure for firearms on set is that normally an actor, until action, will be holding a stunt gun, one that cannot fire and is not made to fire, and cannot in any way be made to fire without severe modification. “At the moment that they’re about to shoot, the director will call cut, and then that stunt gun will be taken from them and an armorer will hand them a loaded gun loaded with blanks, and then they will begin filming again. The actor will shoot the firearm, director will say cut when that scene is done, and then that firearm is immediately taken from them by the armorer. This is a safety procedure that’s been in place for a very long time, and ideally if that happens then everything remains safe. The weapon is very strictly controlled and there are no accidents.”

[...]

[quote]Should Baldwin have checked the gun before firing? Some individuals who have worked on sets with firearms say that actors are asked to confirm that guns aren’t loaded, but those regulations don’t appear to be to be universal. “Different companies have different protocols and different guilds and states have different rules,” said Daniel Leonard, associate dean at Chapman University, whose specialty is on-set regulations.

[quote][bold]Both Merrick and Corrie say that actors are not required to sign off on firearms being empty. Instead they must focus on their performance, rather than be distracted by gun safety rules that aren’t their expertise.

[quote]“I really need to reiterate that the actors have a focus on their dialogue and their emotion and where they got to stand on their lighting and how to react to the other actor,” Merrick said. “Their head is full. And in order for an actor to be fully vested in a performance, they need to have competence in their surroundings. They need to be able to stand firmly and know that the wall is not going to fall down on their head, they need to know that the gun that they’re being handed is ready to go and it’s safe and it’s not going to hurt anybody.”

[quote]Added Corrie: “The reason that Alec Baldwin did not check the firearm is because… he’s not given time to do so. It is an understood that when the firearm is handed to him it is in proper working order. And that is the responsibility of the armorer prop master, whoever is in control of the firearms on set. So all the armchair quarterbacks that are sitting back and saying well, Alec Baldwin is responsible because he didn’t check the gun, that’s not the procedure that’s used on set — so stop with that. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the armorer or prop master or whomever is on set in control and responsible for those firearms being available and made ready for each scene.”[/bold]

Some Republicans joked about the 'Rust' shooting. Tapper brings the receipts

R123 that is from the description of the shooting incident in the article at R113.

R125 it's not feasible to always treat the gun as hot. If they are rehearsing and/or staging the scene, they may need to do run throughs to set up shots, blocking, etc. To do that, you need to be able to use the prop as intended. And even after practicing with rubber or fake guns they may need to use the actual weapon at some point to ensure they account for its weight, feel, etc. (I'm not saying that's the case in this particular instance, just in general.) Then once you have the set up and everyone knows what to expect, the barriers and other safety measure are brought in for if/when you need to use a loaded weapon.

It's very similar to when you rehearse hand-to-hand style combat scenes with weapons. The actors and/or stunt crew choreograph the fighting, rehearse it several times, and once the moves are known, you add the weapons. Fake if possible, but if say a real knife is needed for a close up you add whatever safety precautions are needed. And even with that there are accidents all the time with someone getting kicked in the head or struck and hurt by even a fake weapon.

This video shows how they stage and rehearse gun scenes. You absolutely have to be able to practice with a "cold" weapon to get the choreography down. It would obviously be different in Alec's film with old-timey weapons, but the basic principles are the same.

From the SAG-AFTRA Safety Bulletin:

AS AN ACTOR, YOU ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE fOR YOUR OWN SAfETY AND THE SAfETY Of YOUR fELLOW CAST MEMBERS. Production management and crew are responsible for creating and maintaining safe conditions, but it is your right and responsibility to double check the set up to ensure your own Safety.

... Treat all weapons as if they are loaded and ready to use. Do not play with weapons and NEVER point one at anyone, including yourself.

..... Before any use of a firearm in a rehearsal and/or on-camera sequence or off-camera use, all persons involved must be thoroughly briefed at an on-site SAFETY MEETING where the firearms will be used. This meeting shall include an "on-site walk through" and/or "dry-run" with the Property Master (or, in his/her absence, the weapons handler and/or other appropriate personnel determined by the locality or the needs of the production), designated production representative, and anyone that will be using and/or handling a firearm. An understanding of the intended action, possible deviations, plans to abort, emergency procedures, and chain of command should be made clear. --- There's too much other stuff to cut and paste but on no set is it appropriate for an AD to grab a gun off a cart, declare it cold and hand it off to an actor.

Did they have a safety meeting and run through that morning? What was Baldwin doing. Was he running through his movements so the GP could line up the shot? They usually use a stand in for that. Was he actively rehearsing or filming? If not he shouldn't have been pulling the gun out of the holster. The gun shouldn't have been in the holster.

He knows what the AD did was not procedure and he also knew or should have known there had been earlier misfires with the gun he was using.

Poor Ireland, yesterday was her birthday.

Why "poor Ireland", did she kill someone too, stupid cunt.

R134 You’re hilariously awful. Seething with it. Congratulations?

R135 Your mind (to us) is like a diaper that is 100% filled with shit all day, every day.

Why would Alec pay any attention to SAG-AFTRA union gun safety rules and procedures? As the movie producer, he was very willing to hire non-union crew members - most definitely against those unions' rules and procedures.

To add to R132, nowhere in that safety bulletin does it say or suggest actors (or stunt doubles) should double check weapons to ensure they aren't loaded. The bulletin is designed to empower actors to know their rights, be on alert, and speak up if they feel safety is being compromised, but not to do the actual work of the experts.

And this is why Alec's role as producer is so critical. He helped create (or at least allowed to happen) the unsafe situation that he as an actor, or any other actor, would have the right to speak up about.

r135, ignore r134. He's under the mistaken impression that rancidity equals wit.

Alec is all over the Daily Mail, shown hugging the bereaved husband and son. That's strange, but their choice. The article says he's going to drop out for a while, to "center himself." Now I really can see a carefully managed comeback in a year or two: "Alec Baldwin Returns in First Role After Tragic Shooting." I hate to feel so cynical, though. It's a terrible thing for everybody.

So what happens with this film? Are they shutting down completely, recasting, or putting it on hold for a bit hoping to salvage it? Since it's so low-budget it's low stakes, but I'm sure there are a few people pissed off about the loss.

They were halfway through the shoot. Not enough footage and who would want to work on such a star-crossed production? Whatever money the company has us going to be devoted to civil litigation.

[quote]The article says he's going to drop out for a while, to "center himself."

HOW IS THIS ALLOWED? Prosecutors—where are you?

[quote] after images emerged of her toting guns.

The more disturbing images, IMO, are the ones of her with green hair and a midriff-baring outfit dancing around. Is that what passes for a "professional" these days?

How was this armorer not fired after handing an unchecked gun to a child? HOW?

I wonder if the armorer's father now wishes he'd shot blanks that night?

[quote]Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor.

Interesting, that's what I said to one of the "he'll burn in hell" hysterics on here yesterday, that it was rehearsal and Baldwin was probably practicing his draw, and that maybe Baldwin couldn't even see the two people because of equipment in the way. It's easy to accidentally pull the trigger when you draw a gun if you're not practiced at it.

Yeah, facts don't matter anymore, R147 (and R129). Didn't you get the memo? It was ALL Baldwin's fault, period.

‘Rust’ co-star Jensen Ackles posts heartfelt tribute to Halyna Hutchins

“Rust” co-star Jensen Ackles posted a heartfelt tribute to cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was killed on set when actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun loaded with a live round on set last week.

Ackles called the incident “a tragedy of epic proportions that we are all still processing,” in his Instagram post on Sunday.

Hutchins, 42 — whom Ackles called “an inspiration”— was working on the upcoming western in Santa Fe, New Mexico on Oct. 21 when Baldwin shot a live bullet that struck her in the chest and injured Joel Souza who was standing behind her. She was airlifted to the University of New Mexico hospital in Albuquerque where she died from her injuries.

In the post, Ackles shared a touching memory he’d just had with the photography director, who was considered a passionate and skilled “rising star” in the industry.

“Earlier last week I felt compelled to tell Halyna just how awesome I thought she was. I told her how incredible I thought her camera shots were and just how exciting it was to watch her and her team work. Truly. She laughed and said thank you and gave me a hug,” Ackles wrote

“I’ll forever be thankful we had that moment. She had a spunk and passion that infected the entire crew from the top down.”

She leaves behind her husband of 16 years, Matthew, and their 9-year-old son.

“My heart and prayers go out to Halyna’s husband, son and the rest of her family. There just aren’t enough words to express what an immense loss this is,” Ackles wrote.

“She will be incredibly missed by all of us who knew and admired her.”

The American Film Institute has started a scholarship fund in her name, which Ackles linked to in his post.

Additionally, a GoFundMe for Hutchin’s family has also been organized by her union, the International Cinematographer’s Guild Local 600. The campaign has already raised over $183,000 in donations.

Hutchins was born in Ukraine and raised as an “army brat” in the arctic circle in the Soviet Union.

She graduated from Ukraine’s Kyiv National University with a degree in international journalism and worked as an investigative journalist with British documentary productions across Europe.

She relocated to the US and graduated from the American Film Institute in 2015 before starting her career in Hollywood.

Previous films she worked on include 2020’s art-house superhero flick “Archenemy,” starring Joe Manganiello; and police drama “Blindfire,” starring Brian Gereghty.

Her husband Michael told The Post that he has spoken to Baldwin in the wake of the tragedy, saying the star has been “very supportive.”

Hutchin’s father said that he does not blame Baldwin for her death — instead pointing the finger at the film’s crew.

Ackles had spoken about gun training just days before the tragic accident. He suggested to a crowd at a convention in Denver that he only got a very brief rundown before a big “shoot-out” scene.

why do they need a go fund me? Her husband is a harvard law school grad, I'm sure he can provide for his son very well.

[quote] Hannah Gutierrez Reed, 24, has removed her Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok accounts

This is the worst punishment imaginable for a Gen Z, worst than even capital punishment.

R140, Baldwin released paparazzi pics hugging the widower? He's disgusting. He could have absolutely met with the dead woman's husband and son privately.

I have never felt as much loathing for a human being as I do for Baldwin, save the Trumps. He is disgusting.

Well. If nothing else, I hope Alec will henceforth extend all consideration of due process to others in a jam. I'm not certain he was always so generous on Twitter.

R152 Her family seems to be publicly supporting Alec for whatever reason.

R137 that's the logic his defenders are missing. They act like he turned up on a shitty cheap ass set all innocent, trusting in procedures, when he was as responsible as anyone for the shitty, cheap ass, dangerous conditions. He knows what a chain of custody looks like with on set firearms, so someone pulling a gun off a tray and handing it to him while announcing it's "cold" is no excuse, not to mention all weapons on set are to be treated as hot. Cold isn't a green light to behave any differently than if it were loaded. it's reported that problems with guns were reported to numerous producers and he's one, and the decision was to let the union people go and bring in non union. Did Baldwin not want to address the problems and complaints the union crew had because of his schedule? Or because he knew exactly why the corners were being cut, to make up below the line what he was paid above the line? This is the new business model for guys like him, or so I'm reading elsewhere.

I've been reading that IA contracts (this film is one) were intended to make it easier to get newcomers making movies. It's an entry point into the film industry. It's not meant to be exploited by companies like Thomasville Pictures so they can take their 6 million budget and make sure their A-list star is paid and then cut corners by shitting on the crew.

I don't know all the revenue streams for movies with actors like Baldwin but streaming services have altered a lot of the distribution channels that used to produce revenue for guys like him - on the downside but still name recognition that sells overseas. And apparently this is something a lot of actors like him are exploiting so they can still make bank. It's everyone else on the set who ends up paying. His "They told me it was a cold gun." is bullshit. Cold guns are to be treated like hot guns. And we still don't know exactly what he was doing. We have a general idea of what was scheduled, and where the DP and director were, but what exactly Alec Baldwin was doing in the moments before the gun was fired we don't know. We don't know if he was actively rehearsing or standing to the side near the DP and director.

R147 it's a freaking firearm, Baldwin is not supposed to be "practicing his draw" without supervision by the armorer and away from all bystanders. He knows this better than anyone else on that set. A cold gun is treated as a hot gun and any kind of gun never pointed at anyone on set not even a rubber gun. He KNOWS. He's hiding behind the cold gun thing when he knows that doesn't excuse his recklessness.

These are not made up safety rules they are in the SAG-AFTRA code.

R154, and how do you know that? You are close to her family? Or is Baldwin making goddamn sure you believe that?

R157 Note my words "seem to be." There are photos of them embracing. Why would they embrace outdoors, where everyone can see?

Well no surprise Chynna Phillips has posted on her youtube channel. Nauseatingly, she dedicates this in memory of Hanya Hutchins then vague sorrows about prayers for their family and how Jesus sometimes turns glory from dust. I couldn't get through the whole thing.

Well Alec probably had the set photographer take the photos from a distance - it's what he's done in NYC no reason he's not keeping it up now.

Just one more thing. A cold gun is not a safe gun. You don't practice your draw like it's a toy. It's a gun. He knows it.

Not even addressing him having to be fully aware of the rest of the shit show and letting it go forward to be sure he got his fee and there was no OT, shelter for the crew, etc. etc. He wanted to make schedule. And now he's acting like he had every reason to believe it was a meticulously run set and every reason to believe it the AD knew it was a cold gun when the AD didn't even follow procedure 1 - just took the gun from the cart and handed it to him. Did they even do a safety meeting on set that day going through every step and checking the gun a million times then locking it up then checking it again when brought out. He's not some greenhorn he's held a million guns in movies.

The conditions that created this tragedy were in part enabled by Alec Baldwin who was protecting his fee and his schedule and had to have approved ignoring the safety issues, ignoring the flouting of protocol, ignoring complaints about dangerous conditions and bad stuff that had already happened, and the hiring of nonunion personnel rather than spend the $$ to address the concerns of the union crew. And now he's all how was I to know.

The armorer handing the gun to the child was on her previous film. So not only was she not fired, Alec and the rest of the producers hired her for their film.

Like the other gun safety warnings, Alec and co weren't checking any references or paying much attention.

Hopefully the news that Alec is going to "center himself" means a long stay in rehab

Who put the live bullet into the gun?

Now, if this Harvard Grad. Lawyer Dad who is not the sole support of his son works in Tinsel Town for a Firm with Industry clients, guess what he was told?

How the hell did I ever like Alec Baldwin.

Friendly wager: Halyna's lawyer husband from Latham Watkins will file a wrongful death suit. He would have standing for multiple lawsuits. I predict that's coming. Halyna had quantifiable value in her work, future earnings, value to her husband and to her orphaned child. I hope he cleans AB out before Hillary from Boston dumps his ass.

Who eeth Hillary from Both-tone?

[Quote]He knows what a chain of custody looks like with on set firearms,

A chain with a missing link or two. What really struck me is that it sounds like the armorer and the prop master weren't around. I keep reading that Gutierrez-Reed left three guns on a cart. Where was the cart? Who was watching it? It sounds like the cart was just sitting, unsecured on the set where anyone could walk up and pick one up. Surely, the AD has more things to do than keep on eye on the weapons. And that the prop master's daughter could just walk off with one and load it with live ammo?

Honestly, the security was probably so lax some stranger could have waltzed onto the set and helped himself.

All of this makes me wonder how many people were hurt or killed in Westerns during the Golden Era of Hollywood when safety standards were not such an issue.

"All of this makes me wonder how many people were hurt or killed in Westerns during the Golden Era of Hollywood when safety standards were not such an issue."

Good point.

In his (boring) autobiography, Cagney wrote about having to stand still while a sharpshooter riddled the window frame around him with bullet holes, because in the early 1930s squibs hadn't been invented yet. Things were as unsafe as hell in the early days of the movie industry, horses were killed and stuntmen were hurt all the time, and I think the first industry-wide safety standards were put in place after three extras were killed during the flood in the 1929 "Noah's Ark". But film studios are still perfectly willing to cut safety protocols to save a few pennies and get ordinary people killed, same as any other industry.

so how much did they expect to profit from this film? it costs 6 million, surely they had a target figure in mind...

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Baldwin was practicing pointing revolver at camera during fatal prop gun mishap

SANTA FE, N.M. — Alec Baldwin was practicing a “cross draw” in a church pew when he pointed his weapon at the camera during the prop gun mishap that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead, newly released documents reveal.

Two new witness accounts made public by the Sante Fe Sheriff’s Office on Sunday night describe the harrowing moments after the 42-year-old director of photography was shot inside the church building on the New Mexico set of the film “Rust”.

Baldwin was rehearsing the gun-retrieval method from a pew of the mock church at Bonanza Creek Ranch when he aimed at the camera as both Hutchins and 48-year-old director, Joel Souza stood behind it.

Souza then says he heard a “loud pop,” according to a police interview.

Souza told investigators that he remembered hearing the phrase “cold-gun” while preparing for the scene. But Souza said that the crew had broken for lunch and the director was unsure if the gun had been checked.

Another witness, cameraman Reid Russel, gave additional insight into the moments leading up to the horrific tragedy.

“Reid said while preparing, there was a shadow coming from the outside light and they had to move the camera at a different angle from Alec,” the warrant says.

“He said Alec was trying to explain how he was going to draw out of the firearm and where his arm would be at when the firearm was pulled from the holster,” according to the warrant.

“Reid was not sure why the firearm was discharged and just remembered the loud bang from the firearm,” the document states.

Souza was looking over the shoulder of Hutchins when the Thursday tragedy unfolded.

The fatal discharge from what was described in the documents as a “revolver” hit Hutchins in the stomach and Souza in the shoulder.

The cinematographer told the nearby crew that “she couldn’t feel her legs,” Russel told investigators, according to the warrant.

Souza told authorities that Hutchins stumbled backward while complaining of pain before she was helped to the ground. Hutchins was then airlifted to the hospital, but could not be saved. Souza has since been released from the hospital.

Filmmakers have traditionally used real guns on movie sets but load them with blanks instead of real bullets to avoid a similar mishap.

[quote] Now, if this Harvard Grad. Lawyer Dad who is not the sole support of his son works in Tinsel Town for a Firm with Industry clients, guess what he was told? How the hell did I ever like Alec Baldwin

R163: Could you please translate this into resembling ENGLISH? Even a little?

[quote]Baldwin is not supposed to be "practicing his draw" without supervision by the armorer and away from all bystanders. He knows this better than anyone else on that set.

R156, an actor absolutely has to practice their draw (which is a real thing, so stuff those scare quotes up your ass) on set and on their marks, that's how they get the shot. You can't go practice in some safety room and then go on set and do it exactly the way it needs to be, you have to do it on the set to get a feel for it.

And no, HE didn't know that better than anyone else on the set. The propmaster, the AD and the armorer were all supposed to know better than him. That's their job.

This has been explained to you so many times that I cannot even imagine the kind of fucking idiot you are. You're either a fucking idiot who has spent something like 15 hours trolling DL over this, or you're a fucking idiot who refuses to read all the sources and info you've been given.

As nearly everyone on these threads have said for days on end, as an actor, he isn't responsible. As a producer who didn't listen to union complaints and who cut corners on the production, YES, he's responsible.

Stop making shit up and screaming at us about it, god damn. You're a fucking mental case.

[quote]But Souza said that the crew had broken for lunch and the director was unsure if the gun had been checked.

In one of these threads, there were people bitching at top volume about the 911 call where the crew member who called in was "randomly complaining about someone hassling her at lunch."

Clearly, that was NOT a random complaint. She was saying the AD was pestering her at lunch when they (and the union employees, as we now know) had been asking him to be more careful regarding safety. She must have meant that the AD was at lunch either when this happened or just before this happened, instead of checking the guns like he was supposed to do.

No wonder she brought it up.

What if the scene had call for Alec to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger? Do you think he would have checked the gun to make sure it was "cold" or do you think he would have just trusted the person who said it was "cold" and shot his own face? He would have checked the gun himself if he were in the line of fire.

Hannah Reed Gutierrez is Generation Z. (She's 24, they go up to 25-25.) They are an absolute disaster in every respect.

I don't know how they are going to be retrained to take on adult roles in society.

I was watching the news this morning and they said there will be a press conference on wed. we will more then.

A 24 year old should not in charge of gun safety on a movie set. They're barely adults in their first career. Where are seasoned professionals?

R177, seasoned professionals are too expensive for these cheap cunts.

Wow he has LEGIONS of cleaners out. They sound a bit hysterical, he must be nervous.

It seems that few if ANY safety protocols were observed on the set.

Agree, R174.

And no reason he could not have practiced drawing the gun with a rubber facsimile.

There are numerous protocols for shots where the gun is pointed at the camera, including use of shields. NONE of that was in place and they were on notice about earlier incidents. One involved his own stunt double and the crew walked off after including safety concerns in writing. They cannot credibly plead ignorance, it was sheer recklessness and cheapness to push forward without changes to protocols.

It's been a couple of threads ago but someone said they couldn't see any safety shields on the set when the helicopters flew over, but now we know he was inside the building in a pew, so maybe there were shields in there. I very much doubt it, but we don't know at this point.

Joel Souza said he heard someone shout "cold gun" as he was crouched down working on something, and neither he nor anyone else there said, "Wait a minute, we don't do rehearsals with the real guns." Obviously, they HAD been doing rehearsals with real guns, and I would have to think both the armorer and the AD said that was fine. They clearly didn't have the rubber facsimile guns that other actors have talked about, so I don't think it's entirely Baldwin's fault that he practiced with the real gun, since that's how the movie had been shot up to that point, and no one there who should have known better said ANYTHING about it.

Baldwin's far more responsible for knowing there were previous safety concerns and ignoring the crew who brought it up, and for signing off on hiring an armorer who had previous safety problems at other jobs. THAT'S where his real guilt lies.

Everyone wants it to be more dramatic and make it seem like he should have known everything but that's just not how this works. He's absolutely responsible for what happened but so are a whole ton of other people. LOTS of people screwed up to get to this point.

Have the hard-working Baldwin cleaners here realized yet that, like on his movie set, once Alec finds a cheaper alternative, he's going to stop paying them?

At the end of the day he's going to be held legally responsible as a producer.

His career is over. There's no coming back from this.

The gaffer posted a picture of the scene before it all happened.

He doesn’t pay his nannies a fair wage and expects them to provide for their own housing on off days, so his domestic help is probably just as desperate as his professional hires. He doesn’t skimp on his family’s luxuries, though. Their houses are overflowing with closets of designer clothes, plastic toys, jewelry and SUVs. Hypocritical selfish bloviating liar he is.

I see in that photo at r184 that there were no shields, what a shocker. You're supposed to use shields when shooting blanks in a real gun. There's no excuse for no safety shields while filming that scene, good lord.

[quote]Have the hard-working Baldwin cleaners here

I'm tired of these juvenile conspiracists on gossip boards. Everyone who disagrees with you is someone paid by a huge celebrity who is trying to shut you up because you know too much, right? Fucking narcissistic clown.

Now that's exactly what I'm looking for right now r187 someone who will help clean my reputation for free! Contact me immediately for further instructions

Getting a cheaper service has always worked out for me in the past

NOTHING will happen to Baldwin. Much as I despise Polanski he was a bit of a genius in film making..The last line in Chinatown, "Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown". Just switch out the location. Forget it folks, it's Hollywood. Nothing will happen to him. He will sniffle on camera, hug family & swagger on.

How long did Weinstein do his shit, everyone knew & helped cover it up as well as pimped for the creep?

R99 I don't know if the paint would interfere with combustion, but after I posted my color-coded system, I realized that the bright paint would be visible on a shell casing on the ground. But, maybe the editor could cut right after the gun blast and not show the shell casing on the ground. Or, it would be cheaper to CGI color-correct a shell casing than having to CGI a gun firing (the blast and the kickback of the gun).

R189 Exactly. All the delusional cunts on here saying his career is over. Grow up.

[R191] He’s a wealthy Hollywood actor with the support of his peers. Nothing will happen to him. He’s immune.

Maybe Hilary will have to stop constantly referring to him as "working actor Alec Baldwin" in her repeated efforts to pimp the kids, esp the pedo pitch re: the 8 year old girl.

Maybe Hillary won’t want to refer to herself as “Mrs Baldwin” as much anymore.

For me, the best take came from a poster somewhere on here, an actor who said the very last crucial step was for the gun to be opened and SHOWN to him by whomever’s job that was. And that he was glad to be shown, every time. That’s it.

Time is money and no one had time for safety seemed to be the motto of the production.

I sincerely doubt they purchased top insurance coverage. The insurer has lots of grounds to pursue to attempt to evade liability.

R83 About 4.5% of the population is color blind to some degree, red-green color blindness the most common. Color-coding blank and live ammo really would leave about 1 in 20 people unable to see the difference anyway.

People keep advocating the elimination of any ammo, even blanks, on movie and TV sets. Maybe it's the right thing to do, but it will look fake in many cases. I can tell that the Walking Dead uses CGI for many of their 'shooting at zombies' scenes because it's ridiculously obvious. That's mostly because the actors don't know how to simulate recoil. Perhaps training of the actors or getting better actors would make it look more realistic. They use a lot of CGI flames on that show as well, and those scenes also look very fake. TWD is a notoriously cheap production, so I was surprised a poster on the previous thread said that CGI was more expensive than using prop guns and blanks.

In an article in the LA Times about the armorer and her father said: "In 1959, the Petaluma Argus-Courier named then 15-year-old Thell Reed..." So he's the 79 year old father of a 24 year old woman? WTF is it about all these old men procreating?

As for Alec Baldwin, he has 6 kids under the age of 7 in his home. If they sentence him to home confinement without any hired help, that'll teach him a lesson!

[bold]Donald Trump Jr. Is Hawking Shockingly Tacky ‘Alec Baldwin Kills People’ T-Shirts[/bold]

It’s only been three days since Alec Baldwin accidentally shot and killed 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, but the Trump family has never been known to hang around when there’s a tawdry buck to make.

The oldest Trump son, Donald Jr., is hawking $27.99 T-shirts on his official site with the mocking slogan: “Guns don’t kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people.” On his Instagram stories, the Trump son also posted a photoshopped pic of the actor wearing one of the Ts.

more at link

GRIEF BEYOND WORDS Halyna Hutchins’ son, 9, ‘fell silent for two days’ when he was told Alec Baldwin accidentally killed his mum

THE son of Halyna Hutchins — who was fatally shot on a film set — fell silent on hearing of the tragedy, her father revealed yesterday.

Anatoly Androsovych said nine-year-old Andros was unable to utter a word after being told star Alec Baldwin had accidentally shot dead his mum with a prop gun.

Anatoly, 66, told the Sun: “Andros was incredibly close to his mother and fell silent when told she was dead.

“Matt was really worried because the boy withdrew into himself and couldn’t say a word for two days.

“His dad has managed to coax a few words from him now but the effect has been devastating.

“This tragedy has wrecked a beautiful perfect family - everyone who knows them is destroyed by sorrow.”

It comes after Thursday's tragic accident on the set of the western movie Rust, which killed Halyna, 42, and saw director Joel Souza hit in the shoulder.

The shattered star was snapped with Halyna’s grieving husband Matthew, 38, and Andros, at his hotel in Santa Fe on Saturday.

Eelaria has no words, but that didn't stop her from dredging up a few and then getting the order wrong.

[quote]HEARTBREAK. LOSS. SUPPORT.

#InglésProblems

R200 LOL. That is fucking DL catnip. All the hysterical fraucunts will lose their marbles.

[quote]surely they had a target figure in mind...

One would surmise.

Not the most reliable source.

I imagine any actors coming forward would pay a high price re: career.

Aye-Yi-Yi-Yi-Aye! Hombre Alec career go BOOM :(

See them all shifting responsibility! They'll stick it to the armorer who's a nobody and won't have the financial means to defend herself.

Who hired her, Alec, if she was so inexperienced? If you're a producer on the film that falls on you, doesn't it?

Meanwhile, his fraudulent wife is wondering which Balwinito she has to sell to support her lifestyle while his production company gets sued to high heaven.

I know it was an accident, but can't say I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for that woman's family. He's been a cunt for a long time. You only get away with his behavior - especially these days - for so long. Maybe he was setup?

R195, how pathetically desperate for money can he be? I guess his (and that she-beast Guilfoyle) cocaine slush-fund has finally dried up.

R204 lol, blind items used to be little known secrets, but those "items" are usually not "current" hot topics and they don't generate much traffic for their ad clicks, so the sites like CDAN and Blind Gossip all start to follow breaking news/scandals and write bullshit "insider" follow ups to drum up the site viewership, the stores are thin, insubstantial and all made up!

I don't think Alec does coke. Maybe the younger actors...

R209, I meant the very broke DJT Jr., who was the one hawking that shirt at R199.

Ummm...where are the 210 replies? Muriel-you've got some 'splaining' to do!

[quote]The assistant director on the movie “Rust,” who handed a prop gun to Alec Baldwin before the fatal shooting last week, was previously fired from a film production after a gun incident injured a crew member, the movie’s production company told CNN.

[quote]Dave Halls was serving as assistant director on the film “Freedom’s Path” in 2019, when a gun “unexpectedly discharged” on set, causing a sound crew member to recoil from the blast, halting production, the production company Rocket Soul Studios said Monday.

[quote]The sound crew member was evaluated by an on-set medic and advised to seek medical treatment. The crew member returned to the production a few days later, Rocket Soul said.

[quote]Following the incident, Halls was removed from the set and fired from the production, the company said.

[quote]“Halls was removed from set immediately after the prop gun discharged. Production did not resume filming until Dave was off site. An incident report was taken and filed at that time,” it said.

[quote]“Upon wrapping production for the day, Dave Halls was officially terminated and given the specific reasons for his termination,” The company continued. “Dave was very remorseful for the events, and understood the reasons he was being terminated. A new assistant director as well as a new armorer were hired for the duration of principal photography. Production of the film finished successfully.”

[quote]When reached by CNN, the sound crew member did not want to comment on the matter. Halls could not be reached for comment.

I just want to know who in the hell is watching all these shitty low-budget movies. Are they all straight to $2 DVDs or on the free streaming channels? It makes me wonder if it's some kind of money-losing scheme like in The Producers.

‘Are we rehearsing?’ Chilling new details emerge in Alec Baldwin fatal movie-set shooting

Chilling new details about Alec Baldwin’s fatal movie mishap emerged Monday — from the on-set medic who futilely tried to help save cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’ life.

“Are we rehearsing?” medic Cherlyn Schaefer asked after hearing an unexpected “loud shot” on the set of the Western film “Rust” on Thursday, according to an injury report she filed and which was reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

“Because ‘fire in the hole’ was not called,” Schaefer said.

Schaefer then heard someone say “medic emergency,” and she dashed to the part of the set where filming was supposed to start up again after lunch, the Journal said.

There, she found Hutchins, 42, with a gunshot wound to the torso.

Schaefer ordered crew members to apply pressure to the cinematographer’s injury and call 911, then checked for the victim’s vital signs and began to give her oxygen through a mask while waiting for EMTs to arrive at the scene, the report said.

Hutchins was taken to UNM Hospital in Albuquerque, where she was pronounced dead.

Schaefer wrote, “something was shot from a pop gun” on the section of the medic’s report that asked for a “detailed cause” of the incident.

The tragic shooting came after Baldwin was inadvertently given a real loaded gun by Assistant Director David Halls, according to a search warrant obtained by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office. The weapon was supposed to have blanks in it.

Halls, rookie movie-set armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed and Baldwin were all known to have handled the weapon before the fatal shooting, according to the warrant.

According to the warrants, Baldwin was rehearsing a scene where he was due to pull the gun while sitting in a church pew and point the weapon at the camera.

Halls gave the weapon to the actor and yelled “cold gun,” meaning it was safe to use in the scene.

Cameraman Reid Russell told police he did not know if the gun had been checked before it was given to Baldwin.

Authorities said Hutchins was killed by the same shot that wounded “Rust” director Joel Souza.

According to an earlier report, guns on the set had been accidentally fired at least twice before the fatal incident, although no one was injured in those cases.

Asked about earlier misfires on the set, Rust Movie Productions said it was investigating.

“Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down,” the company said in a statement.

In an e-mail to crew members, the company said production of the film was being halted but called it “a pause rather than an end.”

Last week’s fatal shooting came after several crew members reportedly walked off the set over gripes about housing and working conditions.

Actor Ray Liotta told The Associated Press that he was shocked by the on-set shooting, noting that gun checks are typically very extensive during filming.

“They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see,” said the “Goodfellas” star. “They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at. They do it to the producer. They show whoever is there that it doesn’t work.”

Excuse me again.

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obviously the armourer did. But it was the AD's job to check it...he didn't

R172 and actor doesn't practice his draw with a hot gun, as all guns are meant to be considered on set Not standing by on his own with a gun that had discharged unexpectedly three times already, that had been in appropriately handed to him by and AD off an unguarded cart in violation of every regulation. All "practices" like that are done in compliance with full safety regulations which includes the armorer standing by and nobody in the line of fire and the gun having been checked numerous times on set in front of the actor. None of this was done and Baldwin went ahead. Not to mention it's a fucking film, not a stage play. That's what rubber facsimiles are for.

But I see by your absolute screaming hysteria you are melting down so this is the part that touches a nerve with all Baldwin partisans. The unavoidable fact that not only is it his film, not only was he part of the decision making chain when it came to safety practices and budget, but he knew on set the second the gun was handed to him that the process was in violation in regulations and here he is whining like a little bitch amateur or non-performer who doesn't know how things work. How was he to know it wasn't cold? The incompetent AD told him so after grabbing it off the cart without checking in violation of every rule Baldwin knows about, without clearing it in front of him and without a safety meeting haven't taken place. That's how he knows.

He should have halted rehearsal but of course, the point of this entire film was to forge ahead with incompetents so the likes of Baldwin's hefty fee wouldn't be affected. That's how the IA films have been gamed by people like Baldwin and too bad he wasn't the one who paid the price.

Who were the people playing with the guns and doing target practice when not filming? I thought I read that was how the bullet probably got in the gun. That alone is a huge safety violation on a film set. Was the armourer aware of it? Did it happen more than once?

R207 Baldwin isn't the only one but it's probably not a good idea to do an IA contract western with no established competency within your production company. Apparently this is how production companies and A listers in decline like Baldwin make their usual payday now that distribution channels are swamped by streaming services. Game the IA contract which was never intended for the purpose of paying some name star his big paycheck while taking a crap on the crew and endangering lives on set. It was meant to help newcomers break into the industry.

Duh, what's IA? (I did try looking it up.)

R198, and not only was the gun not SHOWN to Baldwin to be cold, but the "person whose job it was" wasn't even the person on set handing it to him off an unguarded cart and saying it was cold. And Baldwin knew it. Right in front of him were all the broken safety protocols and reckless practices. Right in front of his face. In these cases SAG-AFTER recommends the actor call the guild if they're not comfortable bringing it up to the on set boss. Alec Baldwin WAS the on set boss.

But that was no never mind to Baldwin. You'd think he'd never been on a hot set.

R220 I believe it's a low budget theatrical agreement with the IATSE union. I was reading about it on line and had not before realized it was intended as an entryway for newcomers to the industry, not a way for Alec Baldwin to pay himself his big fat paycheck while cutting corners with the lives of the peons on set. Alec Baldwin is not the only actor/producer taking advantage of something not intended for the likes of him.

Also didn't realize how much the industry exploits actors and crew. I mean, I know they do but on Rust they called people who lived in Albuquerque local hires even after they worked 15 hour and home was over an hour away from Santa Fe.

Some gun expert on CNN said that the #1 rule of handling a firearm is NEVER point it at someone unless you plan on shooting that person. ‘Cold gun’ included. You NEVER do this. That got me thinking, would AB as a non-expert be expected to know this? Wouldn’t that be the responsibility of the armorer, to tell him NOT TO DO this?

Then I remembered,no one on this set would ‘tell’ Alec Baldwin what he should or shouldn’t do, least of all some 24-year old novice.

No one knows yet R215 but safe to say whoever put the bullet in was one of the many idiot, underpaid, unqualified, half-assed hires by Alec Baldwin & Co. to stint on safety and line their own pockets. If they paid a decent salary to someone qualified and the budget is 6 million then that's gonna impact Baldwin's payday and the whole point of a shit show production like this one is to get Daddy Baldwin paid.

The AD who handed the gun to Baldwin had been the subject of numerous complaints to numerous producers that were ignored. It's really weird how Baldwin didn't recognize it was this very reckless complained of AD who was handing him the "cold" gun and not the qualified armorer (oops, they didn't hire a truly qualified armorer) who proceeded to show him and everyone in the vicinity the gun was cold. Just grabbed it off the table. Very strange it didn't dawn on Baldwin this was dangerous and inappropriate and he apparently went off the the side and decided to keep jerking a malfunctioning gun in and out of the holster. What are the odds the shot hit him in the nuts? Life ain't fair sometimes.

Not to mention even a cold gun and a dummy gun is to be treated at all times like a hot gun and any draw practicing can only be done per safety protocols and armorer supervision with the vicinity clear. It's so weird Baldwin didn't know this either. Has he ever been on a film that used firearms before?

R222 it is right there in the SAG-AFTRA regulations what Alec Baldwin's responsibilities as an actor were and he ignored all of them. Furthermore if he wasn't a veteran of a zillion productions using firearms, there is still no excuse as safety meetings are mandated on every production to make sure the actor BECOMES an expert as to the chain of custody, proper procedure, handling a firearm.

I mean for God's sake this "treat a cold gun like a live gun" is in fucking production regulations and we think it's supposed to be up to the actor to thumb through it if he wants? No, safety meetings and safety trainings are mandated so before he touches a weapon he knows absolutely everything he needs to know about the firearm in question, about appropriate firearm handling overall, and who to listen to when it comes to firearms and what the chain of custody looks like and what's supposed to happen before he holds the gun and proper practice when he is holding the gun. Never is the actor left to his / her own devices.

But we all know the safety meetings weren't taking place. Baldwin is a professional actor who has been on union productions using firearms his entire life. He has been to hundreds of safety meetings, worked properly with hundreds of armorers, and followed proper procedure more times than any of us can count. He knows what it is and what it looks like. Furthermore as an actor he was obligated to know what it is, and as a producer he was responsible for knowing what it is. And he DID know what it is. He just chose to save a buck instead.

R213 they are made for streaming platforms, you put those films on the home page (new release...), people will just click and watch it. It's much easier to sell movies this way than release it on DVD or in theatres. Control the budget around $5M, you sell it to Netflix for $5M to break even, after the exclusive 12~24 months leasing ended on Netflix, you can sell it again to Amazon, HULU, Peacock, PARAMOUNT for smaller leasing fees or exchange ad revenues lfrom youtube, Tubi, Pluto... add the DVD/VOD sales and overseas licensing, movies sold on the streaming platforms could make more money than released in theatres, minimum advertising/promotion cost and no pressure on frontend ticket sales.

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Wouldn't the bullet have been recovered from the injured man? Any firearms or forensic experts here on DL who can talk to what can be determined from the offending bullet?

[R225] Do you have an idea how much of the budget would be earmarked for AB? Or was he just counting on the future earnings on those platforms like Peacock etc? I don’t understand why he would need to do this kind of work, he must make a fortune on the Boss Baby movies and residuals from Thirty Rock. I guess once you’re a millionaire you need more and more. His life in the Spanish daycare center isn’t really that glamorous though.

So, how many of Baldwin's acting roles have had him handling firearms?

I know he was shooting a gun in the submarine in "The Hunt for Red October".

What else?

A bullet can easily pass through a human or other any other animal's body. So, no it would not necessarily be found inside the injured man's body.

Criminal investigation is always going to want the bullet or bullets in any type of investigation where a gun has been fired. In this case, they are going to want to determine if it was a so called "blank", and if so, that opens a number of other questions, if not, and it is "real ammo", they're going to be looking at how and why that type of bullet was loaded into that particular gun.

Everything on the scene will be collected as evidence.

I think he was using a gun in "The Juror" and "The Getaway".

I'm R230, and a couple of other posts. Some of you would be well served to take gun safety combined with target practice, under strict supervision and guidance to understand what it actually means to handle a gun.

I've never owned a gun, but have been around them off and on throughout my life. I'm a dead-eye dick when it comes to aiming and firing a gun, but I absolutely do not ever handle a gun unless I am in a very controlled setting and under supervision. Knowing what you don't know about gun safety, and acting accordingly is more important than knowing all there is to know about handling a gun. If you don't know what you're doing, leave it alone.

[quote]Wouldn't the bullet have been recovered from the injured man?

What they recovered was the other ammunition from the set. The first two paragraphs:

[quote]SANTA FE, N.M. (Reuters) -Detectives recovered what they described as loose and boxed ammunition from the Western movie set where actor Alec Baldwin accidentally shot and killed a cinematographer, according to an inventory of seized items that was released on Monday.

[quote]Authorities did not say what type of ammunition they removed from the set of "Rust" and whether it included live or dummy bullets or blank cartridges. The items included two boxes of "ammo," "loose ammo and boxes" as well as "a fanny pack w/ammo."

If the film's budget is only 6 million, I reckon he gets at least a million. Can't imagine what the rest of the cast are making, probably peanuts

As others have noted this is a project which did not really end to be made, it was a vanity project from a wealthy progenitor who was OK risking others lives and safety in order to save himself a buck. It boggles my mind that Hollywood insiders would be making content like this.

Thank you, R225, for the explanation. It certainly explains why there are so many crap movies on the streaming channels I never heard of with actors I (mostly) never heard of.

Wait a minute.... he didn't need to pull the trigger in the scene, in the rehearsal. It sounds like it was not his purview to pull the trigger, even as a properly trained actor with all the safety conditions are met? That he is not allowed to just play with the gun, even if it's "cold"?

He exclaimed, "I've never been given a hot gun in my life," immediately after he killed the woman.

... it sounds like he was screwing around and pulled the trigger. When he was just meant to draw it.

And now he's on the offensive, with his lawyer's tweet and paparazzi photos hugging the widower.

It appears less like an accident.

It was an accident resulting from three terrible, careless people synchronized in their awfulness.

The determination of so many people to keep mucking up the story makes me wonder how many trolls have been hired by the various factions to spread lies.

There's no indication Alec was "screwing around." They were rehearsing a scene with what everyone mistakenly thought was an unloaded gun. The shot they were setting up was Alec pulling the gun out of the holster and pointing towards camera. The second run through the gun went off unexpectedly--very common, especially with older guns. No safety measures were in place for a set up with. loaded gun because no one thought they were dealing with a loaded gun, so even if Alec deliberately pulled the trigger (and no one has said he did) it wouldn't have mattered.

This is about gross recklessness of several people in the failure to follow safety precautions in the planning and preparation of the scene, not someone "screwing around" in the moment.

[quote] the gun went off unexpectedly--very common, especially with older guns.

Uh, no this is NOT “very common.” WTF is wrong with you? Baldwin pointed the loaded gun directly at these 2 people and pulled the trigger. You NEVER point a gun at anyone unless you plan on shooting them and you keep your finger OFF the trigger.

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^ Stop lying. What happened has already been shared in this thread and was confirmed by several people on set. He did not point and shoot at anyone.

[quote/]The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.

[quote/]Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.

[quote/]Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.

And yes, an accidental discharge, is not at all an uncommon event. Especially when the person handling the gun is inexperienced. And of course the likelihood increases if the person mistakenly thinks the gun is unloaded. Before the NRA got Congress to stop funding gun research, they recorded1500 deaths in a year due to an accidental gun discharge.

This guy demonstrates some of the things that can go wrong with a cross draw.

Interesting how he demonstrates at 2:45 how easy it is to inadvertently cock the gun when pulling it out of the holster. Which illustrates all the more the importance of having a skilled weapons holder and having rehearsals with the actual weapon to be used in the scene, but unloaded.

Here me out- I am learning.

And I only want to hear from actors.

Are you allowed to ever pull the trigger on a weapon- hot, cold, real, rubber, etc- on set with other people unless you are instructed to do so?

This whole thing is horrifying. I never thought for a second about guns and stunts, and have a huge new appreciation for actors- even the Marvel movies we mock.

[quote]And yes, an accidental discharge, is not at all an uncommon event.

But it is extremely uncommon on a film set involving a famous actor, which is why this fatal case is a powerful news story. A film set which moreover - as has been often mentioned above - should have had multiple protocols in place to avoid such a dreadful accident.

[quote]Especially when the person handling the gun is inexperienced.

AB was not inexperienced. His first exculpatory remarks about having 'never been handed a hot gun before' more than implies he's accustomed to being handed a cold gun.

[quote]And of course the likelihood increases if the person mistakenly thinks the gun is unloaded.

Which implies more liberties were taken by AB in this tragic case because he was told the gun was cold. He increased the likelihood of an accidental discharge.

^ Agreed with all you said, except that as far as we know Alec is not an experienced gunman. Handling guns on a controlled set is very different than actually carrying and using them IRL. I also doubt he used such an old gun and holster before.

Nothing professional about how the ammunition was handled and stored at all, even after several gun incidents having already taken place on the short shoot.

[Quote]It was an accident resulting from three terrible, careless people synchronized in their awfulness.

Actually five if you count the prop master and his daughter. She took the gun from the set for target practice, presumably with the blessing of her father and the armorer. That's allegedly the source of live ammo on the set.

Unbelievable, R249. And 6 hours after people walked in part over safety, someone was dead in an entirely preventable accident.

How old was the propmaster's daughter? Do we have a name for her?

I’m fascinated by this church where the shooting took place. It’s used as the primary photo in almost every news story about this. Was it constructed/erected for this movie specifically or was it already there and is authentic? What a place to have the life snuffed out of you.

The church existed as part of the set, R251, it has been used in filming for other projects. It is a whole "town."

This is unfathomable

Due to Covid protocol, the armorer placed the 3 guns on a table outside the church. Before Covid, I would think that the armorer would accompany the AD and present the gun to the actor.

HOW was this allowed?

The people who walked off were the only ones with any sense.

Shooting beer cans with bullets > bullets being in the gun that killed someone.

HOW was this set allowed to be so unprofessional and poorly managed?

R254 I dare them to even try to use Covid as an excuse. Even if they had to pare down an indoor shoot to essential crew, the entire firearm safety team should absolutely be considered essential and be on set masked up.

Also, the written complaints of the crew that walked included no covid protocols, R257. "Nobody" will be the one responsible.

The guns should have been monitored and locked when not used for filming, not loaded with bullets and used for playtime.

This was ENTIRELY avoidable.

R242 That article has an error. Reid Russell, the B Cameraman, was not on a dolly. If you look at the last photo taken of Halyna that the Gaffer posted on his FB, you see that Reid is operating a Steady Cam. It is just something to think about when trying to visualize where Alec, Reid, Halyna, and Souza were standing in relationship to each other.

Maybe, R259. But while that photo is the last one of Halyna on set, it's not a photo of the set up at the time of the shooting. Based on Joel Souza's account in the warrant application, it seems as though Alec was seated in one of the pews for the scene. Reid was setting up the camera angle (maybe but maybe not with a dolly), Halyna was next to him looking at the camera angle, and Joel was looking over her shoulder at the camera angle. Both Joel and Reid said there's no footage of the shooting because the camera wasn't running, they were only setting up angles. But the warrant includes all footage from the film, so presumably if that's not true we'll know soon enough.

r213, big studios own most of the little studios these days, and they put out small indie films for festivals and critical buzz, and often to give new stars some experience. They vet new directors and often can find someone good who will work for cheap for their first few films.

These are also often investments. If you look at the producer list on the IMDb, you'll see a lot of investment dudes listed.

This is what THR wrote about the production when it was announced:

[quote]Oscar nominee Baldwin will produce under his El Dorado Pictures banner alongside Anjul Nigam, who he previously produced Souza’s Crown Vic with, as well as Anna Granucci. Matthew Helderman and Elizabeth L. Barbatelli are executive producers. Highland Film Group will launch international sales at the upcoming Marché du Film Online, with CAA Media Finance handling the domestic rights, and BondIt Media Capital on board for financing.

You didn't hear this from me, but some low-budget indies are money laundering operations. When I was a film critic I was usually given the smaller films and indies to review, and a few films were so obviously money laundering fronts that it was embarrassing.

Generally speaking, an indie with just one star of any note is probably a vanity project or a front for some interesting financial tomfoolery. Rust had two relatively big stars plus two notable character actors, and I doubt it was about money laundering.

Sometimes an indie is a kind of screen test for the actors, to increase visibility and show studios they can still put in good work. This production seems like it had an eye toward doing that for Baldwin, plus potential festival awards and streaming rentals, as Westerns are always popular. COLD IN JULY, HELL OR HIGH WATER and SLOW WEST are some good recent examples.

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With Baldwin being a writer, producer and lead actor on this indie film, the intent seems to be to divert as much of the film's budget and potential profit into Baldwin's bank account. All the extreme cost-cutting on the film was done to maximize the amount that would go to him.

Was this all to pay for that “extra” baby Hillary had with a surrogate? The one that’s like five months younger than the next nearest Balwinito.

The PR to try to deal with the fallout of her scam Spanish persona was likely far more than a surrogate.

Of course, now they have a 2/1 deal with Sunshine Sucks to cross defend / promo the Narkles.

Pimping out an 8 year old in a bikini and in la lace nighty and bath must not be paying $$$ yet.

The severely mentally ill child collecting gold digging spouse is not going to be a source of comfort and wise counsel when the chips are down. He thought he had enough "margin" to afford her but times have changed.

She will stay unless she needs the settlement in place before other settlements are paid out.

If the insurance company is able to duck payment, which they seem to have grounds to do, she may bail.

So many posts "working actor Alec Baldwin" hahaha, best not to tempt fate when you are on such shaky financial and PR ground to start with. How WILL she cope?

He already fell off the wagon publicly in the spring after her latest scandal. Maybe he shoulda had that booze delivered.

He’s very protective of her, still claiming she’s “culturally fluid” and that Americans are too unsophisticated to understand their global ways. I think they may be equally deluded, like a folie au deux situation. Both also look coked up.

Exactly R239.

So many know-it-all's and armchair quarterbacks, not to mention all the anti-Alec trolls, that no matter what he does, no matter what info comes out, he will be condemned and not given the benefit of doubt.

Unbelievable that now someone is suggesting that this low budget film could be associated with money laundering.

Sounds like something Don Jr. would accuse someone of.

They really have hired low cost cleaners / shills, not the least bit subtle and besides screeching "Trump" they seem to have few effective counter narratives.

Again, like with the green haired fin dom, you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE] Unbelievable that now someone is suggesting that this low budget film could be associated with money laundering.

That poster specifically stated that “Rust” did not appear to be a money laundering venture.

Do you just selectively choose what you want to read in a post?

His crisis PR is failing spectacularly.

Who would want to work with him now?

Is R269 the same moron that keeps on bringing up Trump, his spawn respectively and La Markle again and again in every single thread dealing with Alec Baldwin?

Wouldn't it be ironic if Don Jr. "accidentally" killed a human during one of hunting trips? And he had to submit samples to toxicology?

I hope the Harvard trained lawyer widower sends him a shaming cease and desist letter for trying to profit off his wife's death.

Can't tell, R274, I have him blocked. Highly recommend.

I think there will be charges. The AD and the 24 yr old kid.

If there were multiple issues in the set around guns, what would Alec take the word of the AD that the gun was cold?

If in fact, people walked off the set because of this very issue. Does Alec have dementia?

Maybe narcissism makes one think one is immune to bullets? His own stunt guy had experienced 2 misfiring incidents the prior weekend.

R279 Fuck off "narcissism" cunt troll.

Whaddya bet Hilaria tries the old "Put all the money and real estate in my name to protect it from lawsuits" dodge?

From the Hollywood Reporter thread

[quote] Furthermore, assistant director Dave Halls, who is cited in a search warrant as having unknowingly given Baldwin a loaded prop gun before the fatal shooting, had been fired from the indie film Freedom’s Path. A producer on that film told THR that Halls was let go during production in 2019 when “a crew member incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged.”

Interesting

The saddest bit of information is the cinematographer saying "I can't feel my legs". I think that would haunt anyone who heard her say that.

Miami Blues, Married to the Mob, the Getaway, The Shadow ("firing" two guns at once), The Juror, The Edge, The Departed, Pixie. To name some. Spanning decades.

Look some of them up. There are some real shoot em ups he's doing. He's not just firearms adjacent or playing law enforcement with a weapon in his belt or holster.

Even as recently as "Pixie".

Dude, safety measures are in place for ANY gun. And this one had unexpectedly discharged three times before.

You are being willfully obtuse and trying to project what you're up to onto everybody else. Of course you haven't read anything - facts would hurt your POV.

Instead of people guessing with "I would think that." or "It seems logical that" this or such would be done with a firearm in this or that circumstance, why not, I don't know LOOK IT UP. And then shut up until you do.

Pixie.

They were on notice

Not sure what you're trying to pull, but R286 is NOT R239.

From R288

[quote} The armorer handles the gun from a locked-up safe. They take it to the set. They’re very careful about inspecting the weapons at all times and make sure they’re clear. And they only load them just before we go. And only the armorer touches them. They hand them directly to the actor. And they get the scene.

[quote] In this instance, the first assistant director was handling the gun. We’re trying to figure out why that happened. And the guns clearly were mishandled and not locked up, and allowed to use for actual gunfire shooting, which is — I’ve never heard of that in my 25 years in the business. It’s unconscionable that you would take your movie guns and put live ammo in them ever, ever.

^ both were quotes, wish we had an edit button

Will Hillary get pregnant again to fix her husband's reputation?

Potential legal woes mount

[quote] Experts predict a tremendous legal fallout from the tragedy, definitely in civil lawsuits and potentially in criminal charges. In addition to Baldwin, a call sheet for the day of the shooting obtained by The Associated Press lists five producers, four executive producers, a line producer and a co-producer. They, as well as assistant director Dave Halls and armorer Hannah Gutierrez, could all face some sort of liability even if they weren’t on location Thursday.

A better strategy would be for Alec to come out as MTF trans. All will be forgiven, He'll definitely get a Get Out of Jail Free Card for any subsequent, Oops who gave me a hot knife, car, gun whatever situation.

I don't know anything about the legal issues but Alec is the cuntiest cunt that ever cunted.

Rookie ‘Rust’ armorer once made Nicolas Cage storm off film set after firing gun

A furious Nicolas Cage stormed off the set of a film where Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was in charge of weapons — and ripped the rookie armorer for firing a gun without warning, crew members said in a new report.

The 24-year-old “Rust” armorer– in charge of guns when Alec Baldwin shot dead cinematographer Halyna Hutchins last Thursday — was repeatedly accused by crew members of breaking basic safety protocols on the Montana set of Cage’s “The Old Way” in August, they told TheWrap.

Cage even walked off set screaming at Gutierrez-Reed after she fired a gun without warning for the second time in three days, the movie’s key grip, Stu Brumbaugh, told the outlet.

“Make an announcement, you just blew my f—ing eardrums out!” Cage yelled before walking off in a rage, Brumbaugh recalled.

Brumbaugh even told the assistant director of the armorer, “She needs to be let go,” he recalled.

“After the second round I was pissed off. We were moving too fast. She’s a rookie,” he said, saying that it was only after complaining that he found out it was the key crew member’s first movie in charge of weapons.

Brumbaugh detailed a series of complaints that were made about the Gutierrez-Reed, including that walked onto the set with live rounds of blanks without announcing it to the cast and crew.

She also walked around with pistols tucked under her armpits in a way where they were pointing back at people, and allowed firearms to be aimed at people, Brumbaugh told TheWrap.

Another crew member — who spoke on the condition of anonymity — confirmed the concerns.

Gutierrez-Reed “put the cast and crew in several unnecessary and dangerous situations,” the unidentified crew member told TheWrap.

Before the fatal shooting on “Rust,” Gutierrez-Reed — the daughter of Hollywood weapons expert Thell Reed — had admitted not feeling ready for taking on the responsibility when offered “The Old Way” job.

“It was also my first time being head armorer … I was really nervous about it at first, and I almost didn’t take the job because I wasn’t sure if I was ready,” she admitted on a podcast last month.

“I think the best part about my job is just showing people who are normally kind of freaked out by guns how safe they can be and how they’re not really problematic unless put in the wrong hands,” Reed said.

Brumbaugh blamed movie producers for putting such inexperienced people in key jobs just to save money.

“It’s been happening more and more,” he told TheWrap.

“As producers refuse to bring more experienced people because their rates are higher, they demand we take our time and (producers) don’t want to pay it. So they hire a newbie who is energetic and wants the job and will do it with less people, he said.

More than Gutierrez-Reed’s inexperience, he believes the problem on “Rust” was that “she didn’t have help,” Brumbaugh said, echoing complaints from other experienced movie crew members.

“She was doing everything by herself in that movie and on the other movie.

“If there was one more person in the other movie the tragedy wouldn’t have happened. A second person would have inspected to make sure the barrels were clear,” he said.

Gutierrez-Reed could not be reached, and neither the first assistant for “The Old Way” nor reps for Cage respond to requests for comment, TheWrap said.

One unidentified producer on the movie did, however, insist that they had “no such recollection” of the events the grip mentioned, insisting they were being “blown out of proportion.”

Rookie armorer on Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ set tied to friend’s fatal crash

The rookie “Rust” armorer in charge of weapons when Alec Baldwin accidentally shot dead his cinematographer was tied to a fatal motorcycle crash that killed a close friend – and her insurance paid the victim’s family $50,000 so she couldn’t be sued over it.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed’s insurance company forked over the hefty settlement to her friend Tyler Dyer’s family after he crashed his motorcycle in Arizona in August last year, TMZ reported.

The 24-year-old former model had been at a party with Dyer and her boyfriend, Aaron Butcher, just prior to the crash, the victim’s father told the outlet.

Gutierrez Reed allegedly told police she saw the two men drink four to five beers each in the lead up, but she still gave her boyfriend the keys to her motorcycle.

Cops said in a statement at the time that “speed and alcohol” appeared to be to blame for the crash.

Gutierrez Reed’s boyfriend was on probation for a DUI and was only supposed to be driving vehicles that had a Breathalyzer attached, which her motorcycle didn’t have, according to the outlet.

Dyer died days later after being airlifted to a Las Vegas hospital, while Butcher was treated at a local hospital and later released, police said.

Gutierrez Reed’s insurance company ended up paying Dyer’s family $50,000 as part of a settlement that meant she wouldn’t face any litigation over the crash in the future.

Gutierrez Reed made headlines after it emerged she was the armorer in charge of weapons on the set of Baldwin’s “Rust” film when his prop gun accidentally fired last week, killing director of photography Halyna Hutchins.

No one has been arrested over the incident, but criminal charges have not yet been ruled, according to cops.

Maybe don’t hire an Insta-HO as the armorer on a Western. This dumb bitch sounds like a complete disaster and was *not* ready for prime time in any way, shape, or fashion.

How did she make any $ on a fin dom website? Who would give her $? If not in prison her next step is porn.

She was a legacy idiot hired by cheap producers. Welcome to Hollywood.

She seems kind of trashy. OK, a lot trashy.

Anyone watching the news conference.

Alec, you in danger girl

R302 - what happened?

Wonder how many speciality lawyers Alec has hired for this situation. It must be costing him a small fortune

Hiring someone because they have an experienced parent is always a great idea!

Link, R302?

[quote]Then again, there’s little compassion left in conservatism, at least the kind Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush liked to espouse. To many on the right, there’s one and only one objective these days: to own the libs, to grind them into the dust, even if that means hollowing out your own moral code in the process.

There should never have been live rounds on the set to begin with. It was her JOB to secure, monitor and check the guns, literally her JOB.

That young armorer woman will never work in the industry again.

Maybe she can start an Only Fans with her shoving lubed-up gun-shaped dildos up her vag and ass.

[quote] The armorer on “Rust,” Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, told a detective that she had checked dummy rounds that day to ensure they were not “hot.” When the crew took a lunch break, she said, ammo was left out on a cart on the set and was "not secured."

Accident waiting to happen

Ya think?!

Hard to disagree. The mix of blanks and live rounds should NEVER have occurred.

Who oversaw safety on the set? Who supervised green haired girl? Who knew there was live ammo on set? Who knew guns were being played with by the remaining crew?

This is countered by what was found in the search and by the dead woman.

[quote] Gutierrez said no live ammo was "ever kept" on the set, according to the affidavit.

So, she has no credibility.

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R316 That's how all the gross young bitches are these days. Ya know, it's all men's fault/patriarchy. Not the fact they are horrible revolting cunts.

I'm close friends with the daughter of a famous cinematographer. She grew up on sets, has been all over the world with her dad. I wouldn't hire her as DP. Professional skills, like being the armorer on a set, aren't inherited like eye color.

R307 yeah but admit it, the left would be having a similar field day with someone like James Woods. It’s all about what “team” you’re on. Blech.

I think there will definitely be charges. It's not like everybody was very careful on set yet an accident happened. More than a few people were not following rules and didn't give a shit about following them. They were reckless and negligent.

This video of the Cowboy Mounted Shooting Competition at the Iowa State Fair (2015) is interesting to watch.

The cowboys and cowgirls are firing blanks trying to pop the balloons. It demonstrates how someone can still be injured by blank rounds even from a distance.

At 1:04, a cowboy explains how he uses black powder blanks.

The horses are wearing earplugs. I imagine most of the shooters wear them too.

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Cause people are lying left and right r322.

I think if anyone gets charged with a crime, it will be Hannah. Everyone is gonna throw that nitwit under the bus, including the AD

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RE: Daily Mail stating that 16 people were inside the church set

Linked below is a lighter version of the final photo of Halyna. I count 6 crew who are wearing masks + 2 actors who are not wearing masks (Alec Baldwin and a person in a cowboy hat). That's 8 people. Were there 8 actors out of the camera frame?

Click on the image to see the full photo.

How on earth could you train a horse to wear earplugs? I don’t know that much about horses, but they’re essentially herd animals who depend on their senses to survive. Would take a lot of trust on the part of the horse. Carry on.

Alec looked pretty good as a grizzly ole cowboy. Who knows, maybe we missed out on a fine performance, a good movie. Amazing they're still making westerns.

I’m sure Jensen Ackles is secretly pissed about all this - for all the now-missed potential career advancement opportunities.

At least he is ALIVE, R327, not something that should be taken for granted after being on that set.

New news - the script supervisor who called 911 has hired Gloria Allred to speak on her behalf

R329 Ok, we've begun our descent into the circus.

R329, what?!?? Why on Earth does she need a lawyer? And why Gloria Allred of all people?

R331 People smell money.

High-powered Hollywood attorney Gloria Allred is representing the "traumatized" Rust crew member who called 9-1-1 after Alec Baldwin's fatal shooting on the set of his latest movie, and she's vowing to launch her own investigation into the tragedy.

Allred told Fox News that her client, Mitchell, was "standing very close to Halyna Hutchins and the director, Joel Souza, when both Halyna and Joel were shot."

She said she and her colleagues at her Allred, Maroko & Goldberg law firm "have reason to believe" Mitchell was the first person to call 9-1-1, adding that her client was "a friend and close colleague" of Hutchins.

"She is devastated by the loss of her friend who was an extraordinary woman," Allred told the outlet in an email. "Mamie recently attended the vigil for Halyna and her heart goes out to Halyna's husband and son to whom she has spoken."

Allred revealed that she would be launching her own investigation into the incident, separate from the one being conducted by the Santa Fe County County Sheriff's Office, "because there are many unanswered questions."

According to Allred, Mitchell has already been interviewed.

"She has information and evidence which she believes will be helpful in this investigation," she told Fox. "She will continue to answer any additional questions that law enforcement may have and to provide them with evidence that she believes is relevant to their investigation."

Allred added that her client was "traumatized" and would not be giving interviews to anyone outside of law enforcement.

Read last night that total insurance policy was 6 million dollars. With the known problems on that set, I would expect multiple wrongful death suits. Insurance money won't make a dent.

Given the conditions on set the insurance co lawyers will be working hard to void the policy coverage.

R262: One of the things I’ve heard is that many Indie films are used as some kind of tax write off by the studios. I’ve also heard that there are all kinds of complex ways they are financed, which allows money to be brought in from overseas under certain circumstances without having to pay any tax. Apparently it was supposed to be a way to encourage funding for independent movie producers, but investors realised it was a heaven sent opportunity to park cash from shady sources with no questions asked.

I didn't watch the press conference but saw reports on this story this morning and the investigators said this is a criminal investigation. said it's not an accident.

The negligence in combining blanks and live bullets and in not securing the guns does seem to rise to a criminal level, R337. Negligence is criminal behavior. Normal safety protocols were flouted at every turn and there had been repeated gun safety incidents on the short shoot. The AD and gun girl had had issues re: gun safety on previous sets, who hired them?

Halls apparently admitted he didn't check the gun before handing it to Baldwin, so the criminal investigation isn't a surprise.

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in nyc, the wealthy families have 1 nanny per child.

[quote]Allred added that her client was "traumatized" and would not be giving interviews to anyone outside of law enforcement.

So the victim's family isn't the only party who will be suing.

you can always sue for emotional distress, plus their lives were put at risk due to their reckless behavior etc etc...lawyers can get very creative. loss of sleep, appetite etc etc.

Take-out? With a family that large, he's going to go broke just from that

Did Alec accidentally murder the family chef recently too?

They are in Vermont, not in NY where their cook resides.

The next stage for Baldwin will be shilling for dictators like Putin and Kadyrov. He’ll be forced to take the kids and Hilaria (assuming she doesn’t leave him) to Russia while forcing the entire family to line up and sing parrot fashion happy birthday to Vladimir.

Did you miss your meds, R346?

Saudis, maybe, or CCP.

Alec hasn't been cleared but the investigation is focusing on 2 people...guess who!

"Retail therapy" what a JACKASS he is.

"...the investigators said this is a criminal investigation"

Good! Obviously there was no intent to kill, but equally obviously, there were criminal levels of negligence.

As for Baldwin, I don't envy his financial future, it'll be a long time before he gets a high-profile role, and he'll have to take whatever he's offered to support his kids and pay his lawyers. It'd be a hilarious irony if his gold-digger wife ends up supporting them both, with her social media!

Vermont gun group leader says Alec Baldwin ‘broke every single rule of basic firearm safety’

Alec Baldwin may want to lie even lower if he’s still in Vermont.

The leader of a pro-gun group in the state where Baldwin is thought to be hiding out has publicly blamed the “Hollywood hypocrite” for his deadly on-set shooting — saying the star “broke every single rule of basic firearm safety that exists.”

Eric Davis, president of Gun Owners of Vermont, penned a scathing op-ed that ran in the Vermont Daily Chronicle on Wednesday — hours before photos emerged of Baldwin hiding out in the Green Mountain State.

He ripped Baldwin for “mismanagement,” “hubris” and not taking “individual accountability” for accidentally shooting dead his cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, 42, on the New Mexico set of his movie “Rust” last Thursday.

“It was AFTER he was given a loaded firearm, from a questionable armorer under HIS supervision, whom he did NOT personally watch load the weapon, that he deliberately pointed a firearm at two people (presumably holding the camera) and pulled the trigger,” Davis wrote.

He then listed four basic safety rules that Baldwin, 63, appeared to have broken — all of which are “the very first thing one learns in an NRA safety class,” he wrote.

They included failing to treat the weapon as if it were loaded, aiming at something he “was not willing to destroy” and also putting his finger on the trigger.

“His finger never should have been anywhere near the trigger if there were people in front of that gun. Period,” he said, insisting it applied even if the script called for it.

“And finally, Alec Baldwin broke rule number four when he failed to identify his target and what was behind it,” he said of the shot that killed Hutchins and also injured “Rust” director Joel Souza.

“If there is a scene which requires filming the firing of a gun from in front of the weapon, the technology exists to do so without placing people in front of the muzzle and while still allowing the actor to aim and fire without putting people at risk,” he wrote.

Davis acknowledged alarming reports of “mistakes made by an inexperienced armorer” — but he also blamed the tragedy on “mismanagement at the top,” with Baldwin “the boss.”

“Alec Baldwin’s hubris directly contributed to the chain of mistakes which ultimately culminated in him shooting a young mother,” he wrote in the local paper.

“And it was on full display afterwards when he immediately and predictably blamed everything but himself,” the gun rights campaigner insisted.

“Yes, the armorer screwed up bad and should also be held accountable for their negligence.

“That does not change the fact that this was still a preventable accident if only the anti-gun, Hollywood hypocrite of a boss would have taken an ounce of personal responsibility at any step of this process, not the least of which would have been to practice some simple muzzle and trigger discipline — ironically, the very first thing one learns in an NRA safety class,” he wrote.

Officials have refused to rule out charges against Baldwin, confirming that Baldwin is “an active part of this investigation.”

Baldwin has insisted he is “fully cooperating with the police investigation” into the shooting, in a message in which he also said his “heart is broken” for Hutchins’ husband and son.

“There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours,” Baldwin said.

I love that the rightwing gun fetishists like to pretend there's no difference between recreational gun use and a film set. Yes, he could've checked the gun himself, but the average person using a gun for sport isn't being handed a weapon that is supposedly checked and cleared by at least 3 other people.

R350 STFU. H'wood has protected known abusers/pedophiles for generations. Killing some poor nobody girl doesn't even register.

So that woman didn't die in real life because it was on a movie set, R352? Is that what the difference is between on a movie set and recreational use? That real people don't die? If not, what exactly is the fucking difference in what he's talking about regarding gun safety?

R353 let's close down the Catholic Church while we're at it.

R354 please be more obtuse. When someone is using a gun for hunting or sport or whatever, they're generally handling the gun the entire time. On a film set, the gun is passed through multiple people before it gets to the actor, all of whom are SUPPOSED to check the gun.

That's entirely different than Joe Schmoe taking a gun out of his cabinet to go shooting.

[quote]Good! Obviously there was no intent to kill

Unfortunately, we know so little overall that we can't rule that out yet.

Baldwin was holding the gun.

While he was holding the gun, it was pointed at people.

He was holding the gun when the gun he was holding fired at people, one of whom was killed.

Pointing a gun, any gun, at people is wrong. (Unless you plan to shoot those you are aiming at.)

I expect that every person reading the threads on this topic is familiar with the statement "I didn't know it was loaded".

He should not have been pointing that gun or any other gun at people. Whatever anyone else did or did not do during the lead up to these events, he was the one holding the gun when someone was mortally wounded.

R 357, and to finish the sentence , mortally wounded & died.

Yo! R357 & R358.....Hope you had that same energy about Kyle Rittenhouse....but I'll bet you didn't!!

R 359, OK Alec, thanks for the attempt at deflection from the convo. Maybe you should have deflected where you shot the gun.

Maybe your father should have pulled out/shot blanks.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed's lawyers' statement:

‘Rust’ armorer has ‘no idea’ where live rounds came from and blames deadly accident on cost-cutting bosses

The rookie armorer in charge of weapons when Alec Baldwin accidentally shot dead his cinematographer has insisted she has “no idea” where the live ammunition came from — and is blaming the tragedy on her cost-cutting bosses.

Lawyers for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed told NBC late Thursday that the 24-year-old former model “is devastated and completely beside herself over the events that have transpired” on the set of Baldwin’s “Rust.”

“Safety is Hannah’s number one priority on set. Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced,” her attorneys, Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence, said in a statement.

“Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from,” the attorneys insisted, saying all the guns had been locked up each night.

Gutierrez-Reed — who was working only her second job as armorer — also insisted she was understaffed, undertrained and overruled when she tried to improve safety on the New Mexico set before Baldwin accidentally shot dead Halyna Hutchins, 42, last Thursday.

“Hannah was hired on two positions on this film, which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer,” the statement said.

“She fought for training, days to maintain weapons and proper time to prepare for gunfire but ultimately was overruled by production and her department.

“The whole production set became unsafe due to various factors, including lack of safety meetings,” it said of the movie that days earlier avoided a strike by the crew.

Gutierrez-Reed appeared to confirm earlier reports that there had already been an “accidental discharge” of a weapon at least twice during filming, insisting she was not responsible for either.

“The first one on this set was the prop master and the second was a stunt man after Hannah informed him his gun was hot with blanks,” the statement said.

Producers for the film and Rust Movies Productions LLC did not immediately return requests for comment, NBC said.

No charges have been filed over the fatal shooting, although Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies warned this week that “no one has been ruled out at this point … All options are on the table.”

Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza also said the key focus of the investigation is on “how the live rounds ended up on set.”

Around 500 rounds were taken as part of the investigation, including blanks, dummy rounds and more suspected live rounds.

Gutierrez-Reed’s complaints about staffing appear to echo the reasons why experienced prop master Neal Zoromski said he turned down a job on the movie, fearing it was “an accident waiting to happen” as producers were only willing to hire one person to do “two really big jobs.”

“Rust” gaffer Serge Svetnoy — who said his friend Hutchins died in his arms — also called out the producers, who include Baldwin, for risking safety to save money by hiring inexperienced crew in key jobs.

“No saved penny is worth the LIFE of the person!” he wrote on Facebook

I don't know why and this is somewhat off-topic but I wouldn't be surprised if Alec seeks affection from a nanny, chef, or other household employee.

That was my first thought r364 when I heard that his movie had hired a 24-year old blond armorer. Still think there may be more to this story than we're now hearing

Rust Armorer, there’s a metal band name.

Telegraph UK claims to have the "definitive account of what happened" but it's behind a paywall. Has anybody seen this? Is there any new info?

Could someone cut and paste the articlea t R367, pretty please?

From R362:

[quote]The whole production became unsafe due to various factors, including lack of safety meetings. Rhnot the fault of Hannah.

Oh, dear. Lawyers wrote this?

I agree, R369. I hope that's fake. I've had to deal with and ultimately fire a piss-poor attorney that came highly recommended, but he was nowhere near that bad.

Pieced together: the definitive account of what happened with Alec Baldwin on the set of Rust It is now possible to reconstruct the events leading up to the moment when cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was accidentally killed on Oct 21

By Marcus Parekh and Venetia Rainey 29 October 2021 • 12:09pm

Even in the run-up to Alec Baldwin accidentally shooting Halyna Hutchins dead, crew members working on the film set of ‘Rust’ sensed danger.

Staff had reportedly already complained of lax gun safety. Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza would later say that there was clearly “some complacency” on the set when it came to firearm handling procedures.

On the morning of Oct 21, several camera crew members even walked off in protest over unsafe working conditions related to the long drive between their accommodation and the set location. A new crew was hired that morning in an effort to keep production on track.

But later that afternoon, in a small wooden chapel in the New Mexico desert, everything went very wrong.

Enough details have now emerged to reconstruct exactly what happened in the moments leading up to the death of Hutchins, 42, and how Baldwin, one of Hollywood’s biggest stars, ended up accidentally firing a live bullet at his colleagues.

Ammo left ‘unsecured’ One of the people in the spotlight over the incident is chief armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed. At 24, she has had little experience working as an armorer and had only completed one feature film before.

Reports have emerged of film crew members using live bullets in the guns for target practice during their down time.

"There's this pastime that crew members sometimes do, it's called 'plinking,' and they go out into the rural areas and they shoot at beer cans. This is with live ammunition. We learned that this happened the morning of the day that Halyna Hutchins was killed," Sharon Waxman, founder and CEO of The Wrap, told CNN earlier this week.

But on the morning of the shoot, Ms Gutierrez-Reed told detectives that she checked all the ammunition to ensure none were "hot," according to a search warrant affidavit made public on Wednesday.

In other words, she made sure they were all dummy bullets, which appear real, save for a small hole in the side of the casing that identifies them as inoperable.

When the crew broke for lunch, the guns used for filming were locked in a safe inside a large white truck where props were kept, she said, but “the ammo was left on a cart on the set, not secured.”

"Only a few people" had access to the safe and knew the combination to open it, Ms Gutierrez-Reed said.

It is not known what happened during that lunch break.

When shooting began again, Ms Gutierrez-Reed says she was handed the guns after lunch by prop master Sarah Zachary and then placed three of them on a cart outside the chapel, ready to be used in the scene being filmed inside.

‘Cold gun’ As they rehearsed the scene they were about to film, assistant director Dave Halls took one of the guns – a long-barreled Colt .45 revolver - from the cart and handed it to Baldwin.

Reports suggest there was not a set process being followed for handling the firearms. The affidavit released on Wednesday said Ms Gutierrez-Reed sometimes handed the gun to Baldwin, and sometimes to Mr Halls.

It was at this stage that Mr Halls should have conducted the required safety checks.

Usually, he told detectives, he would check the barrel for obstructions and have Ms Gutierrez-Reed open the hatch and spin the drum to show him there were no live rounds inside.

However, he told police that he only remembers seeing three rounds in the gun and could not remember if he had asked Ms Gutierrez-Reed to spin the barrel.

Nevertheless, Mr Halls yelled “cold gun” and handed the revolver to Baldwin.

A ‘loud pop’ As the afternoon sun blazed down, with streams of light coming in through the windows of the chapel, Baldwin was sitting on one of the pews in the weathered wooden church.

Dressed in period clothing and sporting a white beard, he was practicing how he would draw the revolver across his body for the perfect shot. The camera was trained on him, but was not yet rolling, police said.

Behind the camera stood a handful of crew members. A camera operator, behind them cinematographer Hutchins, and behind her director Joel Souza, checking to make sure they were happy with the framing of the shot. There were 16 people in total in the chapel that afternoon.

As Baldwin pulled out the gun - manufactured by an Italian company known for manufacturing 19th century replica weapons - it went off.

It is still not known whether Baldwin actually pulled the trigger, or the gun went off inadvertently.

In a statement to police, Mr Souza said he heard what sounded like a “whip” followed immediately by a “loud pop”.

A fifth casing Hutchins immediately grabbed her stomach, saying she couldn’t feel her legs.

Mr Souza noticed a blood spreading out from her midriff, before noticing that he too was bleeding.

Medics immediately rushed to save Hutchins as other crew members ran out of the church to call 911.

One of those who remained was chief electrician Serge Svetnoy, saying he held Hutchins in his arms as she was dying. A helicopter arrived to airlift her to hospital, but it was too late.

Mr Halls said he went straight to the pew where Baldwin had been sitting to check the gun.

He took it to Ms Gutierrez-Reed and told her to open it. Inside, he said he found four cases with a usual hole in the side showing that they were dummy rounds.

He also found a fifth casing, which had no hole.

Police would later confirm that a live, lead bullet was found in the shoulder of Mr Souza.

In total, authorities collected three firearms, 500 rounds of ammunition - some believed to be live bullets - and several pieces of clothing from the set. The ballistic evidence is now being sent to an FBI crime lab for analysis.

"Plinking" is the stupidest, most irresponsible thing I've ever heard of.

Americans and their obsession with playing with guns.

I am not making excuses for her and I know she denies knowing of live ammunition on the set, but I would not be surprised if the armorer was bulldozed by an older crew member(s) into letting them "borrow" the guns for recreational use. This is why I think most non-veteran 20-somethings should not be armorers on film sets. They lack gravitas and are too eager to please and fit in with the other crew members. As well, a sense of mortality eludes them.

R377, yes generally speaking, someone in a position of that kind of authority needs to be able to lay down the law, push people around, and get everybody the fuck in line.

Who are the gang of crew members who went out “plinking” and clearly left live bullets in the prop guns they were using? They’ve been very absent from the story.

That article said that they’d gone out for target shooting just that morning so it’s not like it’s something that happened a month ago and would be hard to recollect.

No one should be in a leadership position on their first or second film. That's insane.

R379 - Yep. Who were the mysterious crew members? The first reports said the prop master's daughter had taken the gun for target practice. I'm assuming they went out in the morning during downtime when the new hires came on. Were they union or the new hires? I'd like to think the union crew would know better. Are non-union crews typically local are they itinerant following jobs? Do they submit to background checks. Makes me wonder if they jumped in their cars and and took off the moment things went south.

The ranch where they were filming lists "veteran crews" under their support services.

The owner, who was in her eighties, was apparently a tough old bird and very hands-on while the ranch was being used for filming. She just died at the beginning of October, so who knows what was going on in her absence.

It's possible that production asked if they knew of any locals who could come in immediately to replace the union workers and the ranch staff rounded up the local ne'er-do-wells and "my sister-in-law Misty's half-brother Kenny who ain't been right since that dang ATV rolled over his head."

The ranch owner sounds like a female George Spahn.

This will go down as one of the great Hollywood scandals. Someday a movie will be made of it.

The camera crew was SMART to walk, R379. Was not them, they were off the set. Who was left?

The 1st AD runs the set. If there was indeed plinking going on, then most likely it was fine with him. A crew, union or non-union, knows the 1st AD runs the show.

[quote]This will go down as one of the great Hollywood scandals. Someday a movie will be made of it.

'In Cold Blood' admittedly explored malice aforethought, but this scandal demands and will get a comparably meticulous book written about it.

Going out to eat on a date w/Hilary? Not a good look. With all of their properties, keeping a low profile would seem the best thing to do. Shame the deceased will never go out for a dinner date again, kwim?

They are always going out to dinner. It’s their thing, along with constantly getting coffee to go in disposable cups. They are incapable of brewing coffee, cooking, and having family dinners.

I’m always fascinated by how celebrities handle the fallout from a crisis. I suppose an argument could be made that the sooner they start “normalizing” their public presence, the better. Brazening it out is often a successful strategy these days, alas.

I wouldn’t be able to function if I accidentally shot and killed someone. Even if I wasn’t technically at fault. I would just mentally shut down. I’d replay the events in my head on an endless loop.

Yet within days he’s out and about shopping and dining. I know he’s a father with responsibilities, but it’s like he’s already justified it and moved on.

Here's a photo of them at the Vermont bar...

He doesn't exactly look like he's having the time of his life. He looks miserable. I suppose he has to put on a normal act for the kids.

He’s aged five years in the last ten days.

And he is rumored to be 68 not the 63 he holds himself out to be...

I don't think this is a good look, given a child just lost his mother.

He's 63. Don't be silly.

His parents married in 1954 and he has an older sister so there is no way he is 68. He is the second oldest of 6 kids.

He was Alexander Rae Baldwin III so maybe he went by Alec to differentiate him from his father and grandfather.

[quote]I’d replay the events in my head on an endless loop.

"It's like a movie in my head that just plays and plays and plays...."

Yup, he is just crushed drinking his Pale Ale. No shame, no regret. What should he? He's the VICTIM, here, FFS.

Hmmm... this sounds familiar. The union camera crew, who walked out in protest, said that a producer called the cops on them when they were at the location packing up their gear the morning of the fatal shooting. Gabrielle Pickle was the line producer in charge that day.

I'm cynical, but not so much that I don't think he's devastated. Honestly, this will be a real "for better or worse" marital test for Hilaria, he's going to need a lot of emotional support and nurturing. With all those babies, she's going to be spread very thin. Yes, I'm an old softie and I feel for them.

HIlaria is not spread thin. They have multiple nannies with 2-3 nannies on shift at all times, along with other household help. She mostly posts on IG and she doesn't cook or clean. It isn't clear how much she interacts with her kids beyond IG photo shoots

Have to say that he looks rough in the pic @ R391. (Instantly I thought of Nick Nolte's DUI mugshot.) Cynics will say that's what I'm supposed to think, but that ashen aged affect looks authentic to me.

Maybe the evening out was some sort of try at how life used to be, albeit sectioned off from civilians. (Ordinary and also not.) But that life is irrecoverable.

More recoverable than life is for the deceased.

Off topic, but the New Mexico landscape looks beautiful. I want to go there someday.

R404 Hopefully Alec shoots you dead, accidentally of course. That should be the new state motto,

Alec Baldwin speaks out about fatal shooting of Halyna Hutchins on ‘Rust’ set

“She was my friend.”

A haggard-looking Alec Baldwin broke his silence Saturday, declaring his friendship with Halyna Hutchins — the cinematographer he accidentally shot and killed on the set of his film “Rust” last week.

“There are incidental accidents on film sets from time to time, but nothing like this,” Baldwin, who looked forlorn and at times sounded hoarse, told a reporter from BackGrid as he stood on the side of the road in Vermont, with traffic whizzing by behind him. “This is a one in a trillion episode, a one in a trillion event.”

The comments were Baldwin’s first in public since Hutchins was killed during the production of “Rust” in Sante Fe, N.M. last week. Director Joel Souza was wounded during the shooting, in which Baldwin accidentally discharged a gun he was reportedly told was “safe.”

Baldwin, in dark pants and a dark jacket over a gray flannel shirt, spoke on what appeared to be a rural road with his wife, Hilaria, at his side filming the interaction on her cellphone.

“A woman died. She was my friend, she was my friend,” said Baldwin. “When I arrived in Sante Fe to start shooting, I took her to dinner.

“We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together when this horrible event happened.”

At one point, the Baldwins admonished a reporter for apparently failing to know Hutchins’ name.

“You don’t know her name? C’mon,” Baldwin said.

The actor said he welcomes discussions about eliminating guns in Hollywood productions.

Video of Alec & Hilaria fighting back!

BackGrid = likely set up by Baldwin

The widower and child are "mortified?" Thought Alec and his wife were BOTH native English speakers? Did he mean "grieving" or "bereft" perhaps?

Guess they're taking the "It was an accident, why should Alec hide, he did nothing wrong" approach. I'd probably do the same.

Oh, but Hilaria had to be cunty: "Her name is Halyna!" That I wouldn't do.

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The Baldwins may be busy, but they haven't been missing their media training classes

The false-outrage, subject-changing, You Don't Know Her Name!? to the reporter was master media manipulation

Maybe they're both naturals, but if times get hard, they could teach classes in controlling the media

I don’t think it was masterful, but rather offputting.

I love how Alec thinks he can still control the narrative here on how this story plays out (“I stopped and gave you a statement! Stop following me and my goblin babies!”)

Fuck off, bitch.

Yes, Baldwin does look ten years older all of a sudden.

I can imagine his publicist sitting him down and saying "Now, no botox or fillers until I say so, you need to look haggard right now!".

If I accidentally farted in public while bending over, I would be mortified.

I don’t think mortified means what Alec thinks it means.

I'm not even clear on what word he was going for, R416 - maybe "mourning?"

And now he is doing a Hazmat. He is going to head up a campaign for more gun safety on film sets. Alec, boobie, nobody with a brain iis buying your deflect moves. Clean your own house first before you start deflecting with some bullshit Woke gun crap.

How about starting a campaign that any film that is dangerous has to have union workers? Not untrained scabs like you used after you chased out your union workers, you cheap ass MF. Your greed to make a buck by cutting corners cost a young woman her life, a child his mother, a man his wife, parents their daughter, others their relative, people their friend, & apparently the industry a rising star who could have made a significant contribution. You see when someone dies a horrific death, many are effected.

And all to maximize your profits you greedy fuck.

He was on the news this morning, making his first public statement, up in Vermont. Hilarious was there and kept getting herself in front of the camera...holding her phone, recording. She barged in a couple of times, trying to speak....then Alec said, "Would you please let me handle this?" Even then, she would walk in front of the cam and mouthed off. He should keep his mouth shut...am pretty sure his lawyer is advising him that, or at least he/she should. Trouble follows him everywhere. His wife is a nutty bitch.

His wife is a head case. One he may no longer be able to afford. Better get it snipped, Alec.

[quote]Better get it snipped, Alec.

To lose one female associate may be accounted a misfortune. To lose two may be regarded as carelessness.

I wonder why he didn't have his lawyers do a background check on her before he married her. Or maybe they did and he was just blinded by the flexible yoga fucking.

Some men are attracted to crazy.

He actively promoted her fraud, she is from BOSTON. He is as nutty as she is. They think rules don't apply to them, even basics like truth and gun safety.

I feel for Ireland. Yes OK, the wealth and privilege. But think of it. She’s born to two nutty actors. There’s an acrimonious breakup when she’s a little girl. She still has to put up with their individual volatility her whole life. Then that excruciating public circus with Alec’s rant on tape. Then, after many years of at least being Daddy’s princess and sole heir, along come Hilaria and the Baldwinitos. She appears to have been a good sport about it all, and remains loyal to her father. Hang in there, girl. .

Ireland is a nasty trashy whore.

It's too bad the reporter didn't ask him about cost cutting measures, safety concerns on the set, and the union walkout. A one in a billion event? That would have been the perfect opportunity to ask the question. There were two accidental misfires involving his stunt man on set already. And a small town reporter wouldn't have much to lose. After all, it's not like Alec's PR firm could threaten to cut off other celebrity interviews.

Alec needs to relegated to D list status. Fuck him and his crazy wife.

He’s been a POS for a long time

I am certain that Baldwin lashes out at Hilary watching their dynamic in that vid. He typically lives apart from the family, not sure how that is going in VT. She does not seem to be a calming, stabilizing influence, since she is batshit herself. And a competing attention whore, even in the face of another family's tragedy.

Hope he is not abusive to these tiny kids but past does tend to be prologue.

The Baldwinitos brand is toast. The 5 months younger surrogate baby exceeds her crazy re: being from Boston. Those poor kids. They frequently advertise for nannies, not sure there is much continuity of caregivers. Hilary is now Octomom territory.

R427 The reporter was probably nervous af, given who he was talking to. And Alec did sort of head that off by saying he can’t talk about anything.

Hilaria’s latest IG post. Such drama. How does Alec allow this?

Is she holding a dead person' hand.

The DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) is STRONG with those 2.

The IG post is literally disgusting. They are exploiting the death of a woman, that he directly caused and indirectly contributed to with cost cutting on set, and USING IT FOR THEIR OWN PR to cast Baldwin as the TRUE victim. WTAF???!!! The crazy has jumped the shark. The photos hugging the widower and kid were in extraordinarily poor taste but this is beyond the pale.

What a maudlin drunk he is .

Why pay money for all the crisis PR then do this shit?

He was likely passed out and did not see it yet.

Ragers who are alcoholics with coke addictions (all by his own admission) in my experience tend to be unmedicated bipolars. He is not coping well from the fallout of her fraud and he is not cooperating with his crisis PR. The plan was for him to retreat, not to call BackGrid (or to talk to them if Hilary was the one who called/summoned them).

I wouldn’t surprise me that they did this interview on purpose, setting it up to look like hounded victims and to control the narrative. She probably called the paps, she does it all the time. The journalists had British accents so maybe it’s the DM.

The IG photo had to have been taken while Alec was passed out, otherwise Alec's hand would have had a drink in it

Wasn't the journalist from a small local publication? If it was a DM journalist, he would have been bold enough to ask questions at r427.

DM pays for pictures and stories. probably a freelance person.

The video didn't originate with the DM. It came from one of the paparazzi who descended on Vermont and was sold to Backgrid. It was on CNN about an hour before it appeared online.

How can they be pimping the kids on IG in light of everything? WTAF?!!!

Will the paparazzi take it easy on him, or will they egg him on and try to get a rise out of him? Another reason he should be laying low.

Doesn't anyone in that household know how to cook? Why are they out buying fast food or at restaurants?

If you are renting a place to get away, order some food to be delivered from the local grocery and cook for yourself.

When he was young he was actually a fairly decent actor. Years and years ago I saw him on Broadway in A Streetcar Named Desire and he was actually better than his costar Jessica Lange. (They later filmed it as a TV movie but it wasn't nearly as effective as it had been onstage.)

At any rate, he was at the time still fairly slim but very hairy. When he made his first entrance, he ripped his T shirt off, swabbed both his pits with it and then started sniffing it. I still haven't recovered.

The company that bought the domestic distribution rights of Rust is pure trash. It's the same company that distributed these 2 low-rent gems:

1. The film starring Steve Mnuchin's wife Louise.

2. The film starring the actress who complained to Brett Ratner that she was screwing a bunch of film executives for movie roles and they weren't delivering the goods. She's the one who brought down the married president of Sony.

Why would an actor of Alec Baldwin's stature allow this company to buy the rights to Rust’s domestic distribution?

It has been reported that 16 people were inside the church set at the time of the fatal shooting.

Besides the 8 people who are pictured in Halyna's last photograph, these 5 guys can be added to the list: Co-stars Jensen Ackles, Swen Temmel, & Travis Hammer, along with Alec's stunt double Blake Teixeira, and stunt coordinator Allan Graf.

R427 There were 3 accidental misfires, 4 if you count Alec shooting Halyna. I believe that all of these misfires came from the gun Alec was using in the film.

1. + 2. Alec's stunt double was told the gun was "cold" and it fired twice inside a cabin

3. The gun accidentally misfired and the Prop Master shot herself in the foot

4. Alec shoots Halyna

Excerpt from the article linked below:

"The production of "Rust" has been beset by disputes from the start in early October and included seven crew members walking off the set just hours before the shooting. The Los Angeles Times, citing two crew members it did not name, reported that five days before the shooting, Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two live rounds after being told the gun didn't have any ammunition.

Alarmed by the misfires, a crew member told a unit production manager in a text message, 'We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,' according to a copy of the message reviewed by the newspaper."

(The crew member told the UPM about 3 accidental discharges before the fatal shooting of Halyna)

Lucky for the survivors that only H died. There were a lot of people in a small space with a misfiring gun. Sounds like it was the same gun that had the prior misfires. Why was it still being used?

A completely unnecessary death.

They do not seem to be achieving the desired goal. He does not seem sad but aggressive and narcissistic.

R450 Fuck off narcissism troll.

The lawyers quoted in the article were right, they were both clearly upset during the interview.

Clearly upset at the prospect of losing all of their money

R451, he's doing this just to mess with you, you know.

R453 I know. I remember years ago we had this psychotic cunt troll who always cunted in every thread talking about her imagined psychotic encounters where in every single scenario people were invariably YELLING AT HER. Having dealt with several deeply disturbed individuals in my family who've been diagnosed with BPD, PTSD, Schizoaffective, et al. These psychos are always pathological liars and you cannot believe anything they say. They always claim to be victimized by literally everyone they encounter and their lil shit dog.

R454 scares me.

R455 Good. Does it give you "anxiety", you narcissistic cunt. LOL.

Oh, R454, you didn't get it, did you? You're kind can never laugh at themselves. Now I'm sad about teasing you.

R 457. You're not sad. but you are a sorry sod for sure. Playing the old trope Can't you take a joke? Where's your sense of humor, left it at home today?

The gun that Alec was using was the same gun that had the 3 other accidental discharges. It wasn't an antique gun. It was a replica of an antique gun. The Italian company that manufactured the replica gun will most likely be named as a defendant in all of the civil lawsuits. They could also be charged with criminal offenses as the replica gun seems to have been malfunctioning, although the Italian company will blame the cast+crew.

I bet the attorney reads DL!----------------

‘Rust’ armorer’s attorney suggests set possibly sabotaged by disgruntled crew member

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WHAT TF is he thinking doing this?

Competent lawyers will fire him as a client.

He clearly spent $$$ on Sunshine Sachs crisis PR but now is countering any sensible PR or legal advice.

He is out of control, boozing, maudlin and the failure to lock their social media accounts will cost him $$$$$.

What about all of the other safety incidents on Rust? Safety incidents on the one prior film of the gun chick? The AD being FIRED on a prior film due to a gun incident? The fact that police found live rounds not only in the victim but stored in the same place as blanks on the set? The fact that crew that morning (after the union walk out) were target shooting with the guns with live bullets?

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Hutchins died on October 21 after Baldwin pointed and fired a Colt pistol at her during a scene.

Baldwin was handling the vintage gun on the set of Rust in Santa Fe, New Mexico, when it accidentally discharged – killing the mom-of-one and wounding director Joel Souza.

The gun was supplied by the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and checked by the assistant director David Halls, who told Baldwin it was a 'cold gun,' meaning it had blanks.

Gutierrez-Reed's lawyer, Jason Bowles, told the Today Show that 'She's heartbroken, and she's just devastated by what's happened. '

Bowles previously told NBC News that the young armorer had 'no idea where the live rounds came from” and never witnessed anyone shooting live ammunition on set.'

While Luper and other Rust crew members continue to slam the production of the western, Baldwin fired back on Tuesday by sharing a social media post from one crew member slamming her coworkers for painting a 'blatantly false' picture of the set as 'chaotic and unsafe'.

Baldwin shared a screenshot of the post written by costume designer Terese Magpale Davis to his Instagram account with the caption: 'Read this.'

'I am so sick of this narrative,' Davis wrote in her post. 'I worked on this movie. The story being spun of us being overworked and surrounded by unsafe, chaotic conditions is bull***t.'

Davis' post refuted many of the complaints of crew members - including that they routinely worked more than 12-hour days.

'We never worked more than a 12.5 hour shoot day. That was once,' Davis wrote.

'Most days were under 12. The day Halyna died we had come off of a 12 hour turnaround after an 11 hour shoot day. We had (including camera) gotten off by 6:30pm.’

Davis continued, sharing that the fatal shooting that occurred on set will haunt her for a long time. She notes that she is angry at Dave Hall, the assistant director who handed Baldwin the gun, but would not accuse him of not caring about safety.

'I am heartbroken and furious,' she wrote. 'I will never get the sound of that gunshot or my director's screams out of my head as a result.'

'My friend is dead. Am I angry at him? Yes. But I won't jump on the bandwagon and pretend that he was uncaring about our safety the whole way through.'

Baldwin had remained silent about the incident on Rust prior to sharing the post.

He issued a public statement the day after Hutchins' death in which he indicated that he was cooperating with authorities and offered his condolences to her family. He also held an impromptu press conference with his wife on Saturday.

His silence was also reflected in his social media accounts, until Saturday when he appeared to return to some of his typical online behaviors.

His sharing of Davis' post is the first publicly-made indication that he doesn't agree with the narrative crew members have created.

R465 This article has an error. It was not a vintage gun. It was a replica of an antique gun. The replica gun was manufactured by a company in Italy.

I doubt seriously production will ever resume on the film but I'd be surprised if somewhere down the line someone doesn't do a documentary about the case that includes clips, maybe even roughly edited scenes, from the footage that was shot.

Badwin promoting the Baldwinitos and promoting his "innocence" re liability on social media is NOT a good look.

He also looks like a drunk you would see on Skid Row.

This is not making him seem like he has good judgment. Not re: himself, his career or re: his vanity project, Rust.

How much did Baldwin pay, promise to pay or some of the Baldwinitos apologist promise to this"crew member that Alec, the shooter retweeted? Retweet this Shooter. A woman died because of your greed & the Halloween gift to her motherless so , you Smiling on line with your intact family. Insensitive PIG doesn't even begin to describe what a POS you are.

I hope there's footage of Baldwin shooting directly at the camera. But even if there is I bet Baldwin will never allow it be seen publicly.

Newson might be back in, but you have to sell tickets to more than California to make profit. Todays election results should make the Wokies in Hollywood look around. They better be sure to hitch their wagons to a star, not to a killer who the common little folk are beginning to REALLY hate for his arrogant, insensitive style.

After the results On L.I., still shaking with shock at those, he better lease that mansion in E.H. The locals who are rowdy at best now will be even more emboldened & pleased to get right in his fat face. They hate a--hole like him from, 'up the island' , Alec, Killer is from Massapequa, who have money & strut around acting like a--holes. Now they have carte blanche to F with him all they want. Piss the wrong people off out East & you can forget getting anything repaired.

Months before the shooting happened, 2 people who live near the Baldwin family's downtown apt, posted on a subReddit thread about celebrities.

One posted that the local liquor store keeps a bottle for Alec so that he can come in and take a swig when he's out walking the dogs.

Another posted that he saw Alec scarfing down a muffin then quickly tossing the bag into a trashcan before going into his apt. building. It's sad that he fears a lecture from Hilaria about what he eats.

I used to live in that neighborhood, I know it well. There is a liqor store nearby, on university place...if it's the same one I'm thinking about, so many old stores have closed and new ones have opened up, I hardly recognized it. NYU really ruined the area. I can't believe he's still living there. There are too many fucking annoying college kids and Washington Sq park is no longer safe. I'm so glad I moved years ago.

Given the size of his gut how much he eats is apparent to all, the boozing it up too.

A Very Angry Narcissist

R475 Fuck off narcissism troll.

Seems quite a sensitive topic for you, R476.

Are you attempting to claim that Baldwin is NOT narcissistic? Must be a cleaner. Blocked.

R477 Fuck off narcissism troll.

The husband has lawyered up

Do lesbians call themselves husbands now? She was clearly a bull dyke. Come on.

He is a lawyer himself, he would be stupid not to do so.

The producers cheaped out on the insurance policy for the film and they insurance lawyers will fight hard to deny or minimize coverage with the numerous documented safety incidents on set before the fatal shooting. Imagine if the film had fairly minimal coverage the producers may as well. We shall see.

The good times are over for Baldwin, even if he doesn't even get put on trial.

There will be decades of lawsuits and appeals and he'll sue reporters, and he'll be paying his lawyers until he dies. And Eelaria will have to get the divorce over with while he still has assets, she'll have proof of his losing his temper or being drunk, and she'll get primary custody, and she won't find a few husband because she's got six kids. So Baldwin will have to pay out more than he can possibly earn for the rest of his life, and the future holds nothing for him but taking any paying job he can get and watching whatever capital he has bleed away.

You didn't adjust your gaydar settings for Eastern European r480 which she was

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Lane Luper, 1st Assistant A-Camera, is interviewed...

Lane Luper, glad he was not shot to death.

R483 - I had a friend (gay) who lived in a Polish neighborhood in Detroit back in the 70s and 80s. At first, he was astounded by the high proportion of lesbians in the community especially since he didn't detect many gay men. He was puzzled for a bit until he realized they were straight.  The female version of effeminate straight guys. It's just how they looked and didn't bother with make up, hair, etc. A lot of them were immigrants or 1st generation with peasant roots. No nonsense with a lesbian outlook.

So women who are butch, short haired, wear no make up and crocks equates to being a carpet muncher? Hilarious.

Did you bother reading, r488?

This was the 70s and 80s among peasant types bent on survival, long before sexual dimorphism was desirable among peasantry. Men just needed a sturdy wife who could pull a plough like the farm animals if the beasts of burden failed. He'd just hitch her up and, if she was sweet enough, he'd be conservative with the whip.

He still needed his sexual outlet when stepping out with other men or the farm animals was considered a bit much. He might have fucked a calf in his youth for outlet and gratification, but grown men needed slave wives for their status.

I tried to link a famous photo, but DL is weirdly fickle. Just Google "Albania man wife lumber"

You're confusing correlation and causation. Gays from more traditional and repressive Catholic/Muslim countries who CAN leave for the US and live more openly absolutely will. A hetero faces less chance of discrimination or violence in those home countries and would stay.

So the chances of seeing gay Polish, Irish, Croatians, Saudis, Iranians, Afghanis, etc goes up in the US because of repressive policies at home.

There aren’t many female cinematographers in the film world-she probably had to butch herself up to have the male dominated camera crew, grips, producers and directors take her seriously and listen to her. That’s what my aunt (who was a Playboy bunny) did when she became a Production Designer in the 90’s. She cut off all her gorgeous hair, wore no makeup, and work very severe sexless Japanese designed clothing. Everyone thought she was a lesbian. After her career was established, she let her hair grow and wore lipstick.

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As much as the woman armorer claims to have been sabotaged, a competent armorer would NEVER let their guns be left unattended, never mind that jumbled mess of guns on the prop cart and in the box.

I wonder if the lawyers representing the green-haired armorer are doing so for the publicity--and maybe a little poontang on the side. She can't possibly have any money.

[quote]As much as the woman armorer claims to have been sabotaged, a competent armorer would NEVER let their guns be left unattended, never mind that jumbled mess of guns on the prop cart and in the box.

...and that's it.

The armorer takes the gun from a locked box, checks it in front of the actor, then takes it back from the actor after the scene, clears it and returns it to the locked box.

If she had been following protocol, there would be zero chance of accident or sabotage.

She had 2 jobs, R495, seems unusual. Said to be why others with more experience turned down the film, did not think they could safely do both.

Has it come out WHO was using the guns for target practice? Seems a likely source of the live ammo.

You could do both, I suppose, r496, but you have to do both properly. You can't skimp on either

We don't know for a fact that anyone used the guns in any way, and that's irrelevant.

Hard to stay with the guns when your other job calls you to other areas of the set, no?

[QUOTE] Has it come out WHO was using the guns for target practice? Seems a likely source of the live ammo.

This was brought up way upthread. Who WERE those people? They have been completely left out of this story from Day 1. I would think the armorer or Alec would be pointing the finger at them.

i'm sure both the cast and crew took turns shooting beer cans during down times.

I love The Behaviour Panel show on Alec and Hillary. They gleefully roast them.

Sorry, what was the armorer's "other job"?

r502 Part-time prop master.

[QUOTE] Sorry, what was the armorer's "other job"?

Insta-ho.

R502, hand.

R498- that shit would have been locked up tight when they were not attended to.

T506 should've been

Breaking all the rules of crisis PR you say? LOL. She is mentally ill and he is an addict and a boozer. Neither have any brakes. Wonder if this is their OWN crisis PR company OVAH them acting out?

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Why no updates re: this? Seems key.

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[quote]Hard to stay with the guns when your other job calls you to other areas of the set, no?

Protocol says the gun is with the armorer, the actor with the armorer watching, or in a locked box that only the armorer has the key to, r498.

Period.

See r493, r495m and r497

Or see [R493], r495 and [R497], even.

If protocol had been followed, no one would have died.

R503 Hannah was not a part-time Prop Master. She held two jobs. She was the Armorer and the Assistant Prop Master.

It seems that there were conflicts in demands between the positions, R514 and that she was required to be in places apart from the guns at times, thus the leaving on a cart. It was a CHOICE by producers to split the duties the way they did. Others have specifically said they did not take the position for that reason, it seemed to pose safety issues and had inherent conflicts.

And how convenient for all that Hannah is a Basic Broke Ass Bitch to hang the guilty sign on. No $$ here for wrongful death suit. Move on folks. Clever, clever.

Hope Halyna's lawyer husband doesn't fall for that shit

i read somewhere that she was getting paid 8k for the job. does that include the other assistant prop master job? these cunts are so fucking cheap!

It was only a 21 day shoot, R517.

For those who need to catch up on the Hilary from Boston fraud and grift, vid is linked

Fuck off narcissism troll. Narcissism does not and has never existed.

r519 that's something a narcissist would say. Truly.

"And how convenient for all that Hannah is a Basic Broke Ass Bitch to hang the guilty sign on. "

Certainly the film's producers and moneymen would love to pin everything on her and the AD, they're expendable and can't afford good lawyers or publicists, and the public will forget about them soon enough. Because the producers, including Baldwin, will be desperate to paint this as a matter of individual negligence, not not of a case of management deliberately creating an unsafe workplace to keep costs down. The final responsibility really lies with the producers who decided to hire a part-time armorer and to supply her with a cart for gun storage rather than a lock-box, to skip the usual daily safety meetings, and do nothing about the previous incidents with the gun.

Basic Armorer Girl isn't going down without a fight, her lawyer is pushing the "disgruntled crew member loaded in the live round" story, for all the good it'll do. She may very well do jail time, but she also has grounds to sue the producers for failing to give her the time, equipment, and support necessary to do her job right.

R521 if they can't get enough traction on the conspiracy theory that Trump snuck on the set dressed as a cactus to load the magic bullet, Hannah will get tied to the stake for sure. Alec will skate, go to all the award shows with his new banner...Better Gun Safety in Films. He will get standing ovations, more roles & dineros.

Polanski had that sterling moment last line of Chinatown, "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown" Same fucked up reality. 'Forget it Jake, it's Hollywood.'

But loads of the poors won't be buying his line of BS anymore. Dead young mother & wife, as he smiles & laughs in his Halloween costume. And they won't be buying tickets to his shows either.

How well-liked is Baldwin in Hollywood? Any insiders know?

The last good role I remember is 30 Rock.

Baldwin is beloved. Remember he mocked Trump. that make you beloved in Hollywood.

R522, IMHO Armorer Gal was criminally negligent, but the producers who didn't supply her with a proper lock-box are as well. They're just going to be a lot harder to prosecute, as their responsibility is indirect, and that includes Baldwin. He was on the set, he knew about the safety issues, he did nothing.

As for the conspiracy theory about someone else deliberately putting the real bullet in the prop gun, what the hell, it might help her avoid jail time! All a good lawyer has to do to get a client off or to get a reduced sentence is to place doubt in the jury's minds, With doubt, they might not vote guilty on the more serious charges.

You just know that Hilaria is going to end up pregnant soon (or use a surrogate and pretend to be pregnant). She'll say that the baby was conceived in Vermont and will bring healing to Alec, the kids, and her.

They will name the baby in honor of Halyna. If it's a girl, they will name her Elena Oxido Baldwin. If it's a boy, his name will be Eleno Oxido Baldwin.

This is going to be a TENSE Christmas at La Casa Baldwinita this year.

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I just read about the spider bite. It's horrible. Poor guy.

The crew member closing up the set has died from the spider bite according to the DM.

Wonder if Ill(and man oh man is she ever ill)aria is enjoying that now she can post victim shit, instead of having to try to ignore snickers & giggles at her Cultural Fluidity. Except she doesn't realize people keep putting up all the videos of her Me Iberian Princessa Crapagain & again. What do you call a cucumber in English is one of my personal favs. Wonder if she asks Alec, what do you call this In English, pointing to his dick.

R530 DM still has the original article posted. I haven't found any news source reporting that spider bite victim, Jason Miller, has died.

Well then I hope I was wrong and he's still alive, r532.

Ireland Baldwin defends Travis Scott, compares Astroworld tragedy to dad’s

Ireland Baldwin compared the outrage over Travis Scott’s deadly Astroworld show to the reaction her famous father got following his fatal “Rust” shooting.

In an Instagram Stories tirade, the 26-year-old model defended Scott, blaming criticism of him on “misinformation” and “twisted cancel culture bulls–t” — before later admitting that he “incites the rage” at his often violent shows.

“First, you were armory/stunt coordination pros when it came to the horrific tragedy involving my dad,” Baldwin wrote dad Alec Baldwin, who last month accidentally shot dead cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of his Western movie “Rust.”

“And now Travis Scott is demonic because he ALLOWED people to die at his show?” she continued, referring to reports that Scott continued his show despite fans’ desperate pleas to stop amid the crush of people.

“But it’s not Travis Scott’s fault,” Ireland insisted in the rant saved by the Daily Mail before it was deleted.

She said “any musician would validate that you can’t see or hear anyone up there. Especially when wearing in-ear monitors.”

“C’mon people…do a little research before you go spewing cancel culture bulls–t,” she wrote in a caption over an image of an unmade bed.

“People lost their children at this show and you’ve got say is that Travis Scott’s music is demonic and be [sic] belongs in prison? Jesus,” she wrote.

She followed up with another post saying, “Maybe we should stick to what we actually know, stop making assumptions, stop spreading misinformation, and educate ourselves on things we know nothing about.”

Ireland then sent another story soon after — this time describing her own nightmare experiences at one of Scott’s shows.

“I am in no way defending Travis Scott because honestly, I don’t know him or care personally,” she said, contradicting her earlier post.

“I’ve been to two of his shows. I watched people get carried out on stretchers with head injuries and from ODs,” she wrote.

“He incites the rage. No doubt about that,” she added of the embattled rapper. “But I refuse to fall into this twisted cancel culture bulls–t when it’s coming from people who have no idea how anything works.”

Ireland removed all of the stories from her account except for one that explained, “Deleted my posts for one reason – people on the internet are scary and so misinformed.”

“All that matters are the families of those who died in the Astroworld tragedy. My heart breaks for them. The point I was trying to make was stop rage-blaming.

“Make informed opinions and posts. So many people are at fault. Not just one person,” she wrote.

Ireland had herself recently came under fire online, accused of being “tone-deaf” for posting pictures of her dressed in a bloody Halloween costume just days after her dad’s fatal on-set shooting.

New Mexico authorities are still investigating the accident and have stressed that criminal charges have not been ruled out.

I didn’t know that Ireland was so dumb, I didn’t know anything about her until she started inarticulately ranting on SM and dressing up in bloody Halloween costumes. She must be trying to become a loathsome public figure just like her Dad.

Just look at her nasty trashy tats, nothing much going on upstairs...

Or her stepmom.

She really is quite fug and masculine looking.

Just like Daddio and stepmommy she is trying to use tragedy to increase her social media brand and profile. Absolutely disgusting.

Just another example of how child abuse can rob people who have not worked on themselves of empathy. The victims become victimizers or bystanders who cheer on trash like Scott. Unless she has the same management or PR it is unfathomable that she would have seized this as a chance for personal attention. And even if she does nave some financial tie, this is grotesque.

What does Ireland Baldwin know? Seriously.

She says stick to what you know- she isn't a musician, an actor, an actual model, educated, employed... did she go to high school?

Stick to what you actually know, Ireland. Nothing.

She's a tattoo canvas and an "influencer."

Making yourself the victim of YOUR devastating action (or your father's) is total sociopathy. "I am worse off because I accidentally KILLED a woman, therefore I am the victim."

Pure sociopathy.

Don't you mean narcissism? LOL. Has the narcissism troll changed her non-existent term to sociopathy now. Another fake word.

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George Clooney calls the fatal 'Rust' shooting 'infuriating

George Clooney calls the fatal shooting on the set of Rust "infuriating" and "insane."

On the WTF With Marc Maron podcast, the Oscar-winning actor weighed in on last month's movie set disaster in which a gun discharged by Alec Baldwin shot and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza. Clooney said the deaths of actors Brandon Lee in 1993 and Jon-Erik Hexum in 1984 — who were both friends — made gun safety on the set of the utmost importance, so he's in disbelief over what transpired with Rust.

The 60-year-old actor, who said he doesn't know Baldwin very well, said he doesn't think there was "any intent by anybody to do anything wrong," describing it all as "a terrible accident."

However, he said there is a very specific protocol actors follow — similar to sentiments expressed by Matthew McConaughey.

"Every single time I'm handed a gun on the set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it too, I show it to the crew," Clooney said. "Every single take." Then, "You hand it back to the armor when you're done."

He said, "Part of it is because of what happened to Brandon. Everyone does it. Everyone knows" that is the protocol to follow. "Maybe Alec did that — hopefully he did do that. But the problem is dummies are tricky because they look like real [rounds]. They got a little tiny hole in the back [from which] somebody's [removed] the gunpowder."

Clooney said because of the likeness, he doesn't just inspect the gun visually.

"I mean every time I get handed a six-gun," or a gun that holds six cartridges, "you point it at the ground and you squeeze it six times," Clooney said, noting "It's just insane" not to.

Clooney discussed the finger-pointing, including at first assistant director David Halls allegedly being the one to declare the gun a "cold gun" and giving to Baldwin, who considered it safe to use.

"I've never heard the term 'cold gun,'" Clooney said of his years of movie-making. "I've never heard that term. Literally. They're just talking about stuff I've never heard of. It's just infuriating."

He said he's "been on sets for 40 years and the person that hands you the gun, the person who is responsible for the gun, is either the prop person or the armorer. Period."

Amid the investigation, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Department has said in court documents that the chain of command with the gun the day of Hutchins's death began with prop master Sarah Zachary taking it from a locked props truck and giving it to armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed. Gutierrez Reed, who is 24 and served as armorer on just one other major film, loaded it with rounds from a box of dummies, but one of the rounds was apparently live ammunition. Gutierrez Reed claims she showed the gun to Halls, who, for his part, has said he didn't thoroughly inspect it before then giving it to Baldwin. Baldwin, rehearsing for a scene, discharged the gun and a live round killed the 42-year-old director of photography.

He blamed the production company for "skimping" on the indie movie. (Baldwin is also a producer on the film.)

"A 24-year-old person shouldn't probably, with that little experience, be heading up a department with the guns and bullets," he said of Gutierrez Reed, who is the daughter of Thell Reed, a well-known Hollywood armorer.

He said in disbelief, "Why for the life of me this low-budget film with producers that haven't produced anything wouldn't have hired for the armorer someone with experience."

He said the fact that there was live ammo mixed in with dummies, "That is insane. It's insane. It's infuriating."

Clooney spoke of being friends with Hexum, who died after a set incident involving a gun in 1984, and was even better friends with Lee. He talked about how he and Lee, as aspiring actors, played basketball three times a week together at the Y in Hollywood. He called The Crow Lee's "big break," and revealed his cousin, actor Miguel Ferrer, was to be the best man at Lee's wedding a week after The Crow was to wrap.

Clooney talked about the "series of stupid things that happened" leading to Lee's death, regarding the handling of the gun. Ultimately, a bullet from a dummy round got lodged in the tip of the gun barrel and nobody was aware of it — nor was it inspected. The bullet then became dislodged when a blank was fired, by actor Michael Massee, at Lee during a scene. Lee died at age 28.

Clooney hopes Hutchins's death changes a lot of how weapons are used and handled in productions.

"After Brandon died, it really became a very clear thing of: Open the gun. Look down the barrel. Look in the cylinder. Make sure," Clooney, who went through gun training to make Three Kings, reiterated. "It's harder with dummy bullets, I have to say, because if you stuck six dummy bullets in your hand, you would think they're real bullets."

He added, "It's a series of tragedies, but also a lot of mistakes. A lot of stupid mistakes."

Go George!

I love how George snuck in an “I don’t know her.”

Wow George Clooney is being candid.

The most interesting thing he said, was that he never heard the expression “cold gun”.

that was what Baldwin was touting for his innocence

Wow! Good for Clooney. Great he has zero fucks to give & can speak his mind on those things he feels strongly about. No matter anyone's political ilk maybe, this shits show that resulted in the needless death of this woman transcends all of that. Glad to see this isn't getting 'Woked'.

I'm also glad that Clooney isn't following the party line and blaming just the armorer and the AD. I mean they were both criminally negligent, but so were Baldwin and all the producers who cut all the wrong corners and who set up a deeply unsafe workplace.

A commenter at CDAN posted a few days ago that one thing that hasn't come out yet is that Baldwin was one of the cast and crew who took the guns out for live target practice. And that he had been out shooting earlier that morning. I guess the implication is that he could have been the one who left a live round in the gun.

I know it's just an anonymous comment at a deplorable blind site but it seems just as plausible as any scenario I've read.

If that were true, the armorer or the AD would've tried to throw him under the bus already. Hell, she's already saying she was "sabotaged"

Well, that supposes the armorer and the AD knew Baldwin had been using the gun for target practice. Which I don't know but I thought the poster's comment interesting. The local DA in her ABC interview said that she knew for fact it wasn't sabotage and that she knew who had put the live round in the gun. Curiouser and curiouser.

It's sad that Clooney saying that Alec had a level of personal responsibility in this is seen as bold and giving zero fucks when it's really just stating that there is a level of human decency missing here

Has Alec killed anyone else lately?