As suspected. Dehydration and heat exhaustion.
Hiking family mystery solved
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 1, 2021 4:40 AM|
The easiest explanation is usually the answer.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||October 21, 2021 10:40 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||October 21, 2021 10:46 PM|
BUT NO OMG IT CANNOT BE HEAT EXHAUSTION, BECAUSE ______
|by Anonymous||reply 3||October 21, 2021 10:49 PM|
Well, duh . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 4||October 21, 2021 10:51 PM|
Thanks - I was wondering about that one. Still say the parents were insane to take a 1-year old baby on that hike in hot weather.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||October 21, 2021 10:54 PM|
So the DOG died from heat exhaustion as well?!?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||October 21, 2021 11:01 PM|
If it didn't have enough water R6. Dogs do die from that too. What do YOU think happened? Something conspiratorial or alien related, .no doubt.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||October 21, 2021 11:12 PM|
R6 Didn't they say the dog was on a leash dead next to the man?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||October 21, 2021 11:13 PM|
tg, begone cunts!
|by Anonymous||reply 9||October 21, 2021 11:13 PM|
I think the dog was with the woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||October 21, 2021 11:14 PM|
A few years ago I was hospitalized for dehydration. I had a really sore throat and didn't eat or drink anything for three days. It's the worst I have ever felt, and it leaves you nearly incoherent (until you replenish your fluids).
|by Anonymous||reply 11||October 21, 2021 11:16 PM|
R7 - There was water nearby, hence all the speculation about “toxic algae” being the cause of death.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||October 21, 2021 11:19 PM|
[quote]Still say the parents were insane to take a 1-year old baby on that hike in hot weather.
Insane and/or incredibly stupid and/or careless. Too bad they can't be prosecuted and jailed for killing their innocent child, because -- oops! They're dead themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||October 21, 2021 11:20 PM|
I think a lot of people especially in cooler climates don't realize how fast you can get overheated.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||October 21, 2021 11:20 PM|
R12, it was investigated and found to be a false lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||October 21, 2021 11:21 PM|
R6, I have a brother-in-law who breeds and trains English Springer Spaniels for the uber wealthy, he even has a billionaire client. He is extremely careful about the dogs overheating, he says dogs simply do not have the ability to cool down as quickly as humans, so it is a real thing.
My guess, like many others, is that the dog collapsed first. That means they likely carried it for a while too. I would imagine once they realized that the baby was in trouble too, the confusion and fear must have been overwhelming. I almost hope they didn’t even understand what was happening. Yes, they were very stupid and this is a totally senseless tragedy, but I still can’t accept their suffering, even with their terrible lack of judgment and common sense. And now their family has to live with what they did too.
R11, would you care to share more? I believe you. I’m just curious about how old you are, the circumstances that led up to it, etc. Why were you in for three whole days, were your vitals that off? It sounds awful.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||October 21, 2021 11:22 PM|
Plus the coroner would have found evidence.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||October 21, 2021 11:22 PM|
Really self-absorbed people to lead a baby and a dog to their deaths over fucking hiking. Goddamn hippies.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||October 21, 2021 11:25 PM|
They could've left the baby in the car.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||October 21, 2021 11:26 PM|
R18, hippies are my age by now (over 70). These idiots were just young and stupid, and too self-absorbed to be responsible for animals and babies.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||October 21, 2021 11:29 PM|
Yes, they were so busy being “hipper than thou,” they took two innocent lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||October 21, 2021 11:42 PM|
There are jokes about people who are too stupid to come in out of the rain, but how smart do you have to be to realize that 107 degrees isn't just uncomfortable, it's dangerous?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||October 21, 2021 11:44 PM|
On the same day they confirmed Brian is dead. What will we talk about now?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||October 21, 2021 11:48 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 24||October 21, 2021 11:51 PM|
They didn't even bring a bowl for the dog. Were they just going to play Russian roulette with which body of water the dog drank from—the ones with algal blooms, the ones with contaminated with grow-site runoff, or the clean ones?
They were in the area long enough to know that the "DANGER" signs come and go throughout the year, and there's usually a lag of at least a day in getting them up.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||October 21, 2021 11:53 PM|
"Having a baby won't change us!"
|by Anonymous||reply 26||October 21, 2021 11:54 PM|
The article said the temperatures were in the 70s where they began their hike. They did not walk out into 109 degree weather. It heated up while they were already out there.
I live in No Cal and we've had extreme weather, over 110-114 degrees for the first time ever in my lifetime in the last few years. When that happens, anyone who can gets inside and tries to stay cool. Businesses close and we go on energy conservation alert. Even high 90s just about kill me. I just hide out on days over 95 degrees if I can.
I feel so sorry for that family. Probably out too far to get back easily when the temperatures rose. What a miserable way to die. And their dog, too. It's heartbreaking.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||October 22, 2021 12:07 AM|
All these people dying on hiking trails. "Hiking" to me means dirt, poison oak/ivy, snakes and predators, getting lost and being a crime victim.
No thanks; we invented civilization for a reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||October 22, 2021 12:13 AM|
This is really tragic, but supposedly intelligent people make make fatal errors in judgement all the time. Were they new to the region, ignorant of the effects of extreme heat, and thought perhaps that they had more than enough time to make it back once the temperature began to rise?
Taking an child on a hike like that seems insane, but if you meander through YT, there are young families who sail around the world with newborns, toddlers and young children. They are frequently thousands of miles from the nearest point of land, far from any medical facilities.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||October 22, 2021 12:24 AM|
R11 what do you think brought it on? We're you exerting yourself a lot physically?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||October 22, 2021 12:42 AM|
I meant were. It autocorrected for some reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||October 22, 2021 12:44 AM|
One of the last things on earth I'd do with my free time is hiking...and I'm white!
What's with these people?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||October 22, 2021 3:22 AM|
They died of Darwinism.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||October 22, 2021 3:30 AM|
Are we also aware they had a nanny? That was the person who reported them missing.
So they could have spared the baby from their nonsense.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||October 22, 2021 3:40 AM|
I can't believe it that the husband worked for Google and even worked on Google Map. How could they not know that their organs were shutting down? How could the dog not become agitated when it needed water? Yes, many people have died from severe dehydration but most they were alone. Not like this.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||October 22, 2021 3:45 AM|
[quote] Are we also aware they had a nanny? . . . So they could have spared the baby from their nonsense.
What?!! And not have cute family photos to post on IG?
Who upthread tried to excuse them because the temps were lower in the early morning? Seriously? Is there anyone on planet earth that doesn't know temps rise as the day progresses? Stop with any excuses. There are none. Poor baby and poor doggie.
Narcissists do not make good parents.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||October 22, 2021 3:50 AM|
3 humans and a dog died at the same time ?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||October 22, 2021 3:52 AM|
R27 Yeah but they have phones with the weather forecast on it. Why would you go out for a hike if it’s going to be 110 that day regardless if it’s in the 70s at that moment? Or even in the next few hours. Who would risk that with their kid and their dog?
|by Anonymous||reply 38||October 22, 2021 3:52 AM|
R37 I bet the stupid ass man watched them all die around him before he did.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||October 22, 2021 3:53 AM|
R39, did he take pictures for their posthumous family albums?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||October 22, 2021 3:56 AM|
[quote] I have a brother-in-law who breeds and trains English Springer Spaniels for the uber wealthy, he even has a billionaire client. He is extremely careful about the dogs overheating, he says dogs simply do not have the ability to cool down as quickly as humans, so it is a real thing.
[quote] My guess, like many others, is that the dog collapsed first. That means they likely carried it for a while too.
Dogs and cats--all animals--have a much stronger survival instinct than humans.
If he didn't run off to look for water himself, it's because he was tethered to the dad.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||October 22, 2021 4:00 AM|
This is a planned suicide/murder pact. Now we know how they all died, but still we need to know more about the motive since this can't be accidental. Total organ shutdown doesn't just happen in 4-5 minutes. If they didn't know they were severely dehydrating, at least the dog would try to find itself some water to drink.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||October 22, 2021 4:02 AM|
Kind of infuriating. How dumb were they? Killed the baby and the dog with their stupidity and arrogance.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||October 22, 2021 4:12 AM|
I would be so angry at them if I were family or friends of theirs.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||October 22, 2021 4:14 AM|
Fucking morons. Killed their baby and dog.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||October 22, 2021 4:16 AM|
THIS CANNOT BE THE EXPLANATION. I am furiously sobbing my raw stinking unquenchable gash with my podcast microphone. THERE HAS BEEN A CRIME!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 46||October 22, 2021 4:19 AM|
Does this mean the rave scene, Burning Man and party drugs didn’t have anything to do with it?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||October 22, 2021 4:23 AM|
Occam borrowed my razor and never returned it.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||October 22, 2021 4:29 AM|
[quote]Taking an child on a hike like that seems insane, but if you meander through YT, there are young families who sail around the world with newborns, toddlers and young children. They are frequently thousands of miles from the nearest point of land, far from any medical facilities.
And those people are selfish, careless idiots as well. So, what the hell is your point?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||October 22, 2021 5:14 AM|
Couldn't/wouldn't get with an Asian tech guy, huh? Too boring?
Her parents screwed up.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||October 22, 2021 5:19 AM|
R42, it wasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||October 22, 2021 1:13 PM|
[quote]This is a planned suicide/murder pact.
Fascinating theory. Do you think the dog and the baby were in on it?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||October 22, 2021 3:04 PM|
No one gives any fucks for the people but that poor dog! I will never get over this.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||October 22, 2021 3:08 PM|
Typical Asian tiger-mom fuckery. SURE let's take the one year old on a hike! SURE!
|by Anonymous||reply 54||October 22, 2021 3:35 PM|
R54, she married an arrogant, airheaded white guy because she didn't have a good tiger mom. A tiger mom would have gotten her married to an Asian techie. Her whole life was a "fuck you" to Asian parenting.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||October 22, 2021 4:12 PM|
[quote]Fascinating theory. Do you think the dog and the baby were in on it. Idiot.
What would a fucking fat and stupid incel know about the obsessive love of a dog and a child that you can't leave them behind? Go stuff yourself with more fried chicken, fat auntie.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||October 22, 2021 4:28 PM|
I am not sure I'm convinced they hiked most of the trail, I suspect either the dog or the baby showed signs of heat exhaustion within 30 minutes and they headed back at that point, but it was too late for all of them by then.
Maybe the dog was leashed but I would bet the guy was carrying the dog because it wasn't able to walk anymore.
The real question has always been why these people went out in the heat, surely after 5 minutes they'd realize it was too hot for the baby and dog, but they didn't. I guess the answer is "stupidity" but it's difficult to comprehend two adults being that dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||October 22, 2021 4:33 PM|
R57, stupidity + arrogance.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||October 22, 2021 4:34 PM|
If the guy were Gen X and from the south, I’d say it’s macho “doing two-a-day practices in the hot sun until you puke builds character” programming.
But he’s not, so I don’t know where either one of them picked up this macho streak.
Back in the day I ran about 35 miles a week, often in high heat and humidity. But I would have “noped” right out of this fuckery.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||October 22, 2021 4:40 PM|
I just realised the couple perished a few miles from the Cary Stayner murders.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||October 25, 2021 12:30 AM|
They say they found one empty Camelbak reservoir (water bladder) with them.
Please, if any of you go hiking in hot areas, everyone has to take water with them. Your dog gets saddlebags and carries water for itself. You carry separate water; your spouse carries separate water; the stroller for the baby gets separate water.
Bring a stupid amount of water with you.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||October 25, 2021 12:37 AM|
Never take a hike to unknown trails unless you have an experienced person with you and have the proper supplies.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||October 25, 2021 12:44 AM|
Oh well it would have made a good episode of I shouldn’t be alive.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||October 25, 2021 12:56 AM|
R63, I loved that show.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||October 25, 2021 1:07 AM|
R64 Me too. They need to make new seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||October 25, 2021 1:19 AM|
totally stupid death
|by Anonymous||reply 66||October 25, 2021 1:55 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 67||October 29, 2021 1:11 AM|
They were a family of FOUR.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||October 29, 2021 5:33 AM|
3 humans and a pet
|by Anonymous||reply 69||October 29, 2021 6:04 AM|
That illiterate mod, Billy Goat, or whatever the fuck it's name is, has permanently shut down the Gerrish thread because- victim blaming! The idiots obliterate their entire family including the beloved pet, but hey- not their fault! Those people are a cauldron of toxic, sickening, abusive, grifting low rent trash. Just gutter trash. I will not be going back there, the only reason I was there at all was for the Gabby Petitio murder. Anyway, on some FB thread a women who knew J&E said EC did not want children and she hated the move to Mariposa. One guy there figured out, I think, why that hike from hell went so very wrong, other than the obvious lack of water and extreme heat. He is an avid hiker of many years and he thinks they were power hiking. That is basically running/jogging during a hike, I believe. The tank tops, lack of water and other supplies fits with power hiking. Kreycik did the same. They carry as little as possible on them such as little to no water, supplies, even cell phones. If true, that really just makes them out to be not only unbelievably stupid, but selfish monsters, imo.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 1, 2021 1:33 AM|
Having managed to give myself heatstroke and dehydration from wandering around the French town I was living in at one time without stopping all day, I can’t even imagine how these poor people felt after subjecting themselves to far more extreme conditions. I hope they were overcome very quickly, because I vividly remember the dizziness, to the extent that I had to literally crawl from my bed to the the bathroom, the nausea and confusion.
I don’t think these people were bad. They were just foolish, as we all are at times, and they have paid a terrible price for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 1, 2021 1:49 AM|
I blame the wife. No man in his right mind would go on a rigorous hike with his child and dog in tow. The whole thing was her idea and she probably bitched about the husband not bringing water the whole time. I’m an avid hiker and it’s hard enough for me to remember my own supplies. Can’t imagine what the husband was going through, trying to get together hiking gear, dog supplies, and stuff for the kid while Cuntzilla posted Instagram stories.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 1, 2021 1:50 AM|
R72- I blame both of them, equally. They both had a responsibility their child-and pet- and they failed them. That being said, I do have sympathy, and they did not deserve their brutal end. Jon mapped the hike the night before, the entire loop. So that was 8 miles, I think. Hite cove trail, to Devil's Gulch, to SLT. Idk how quickly they could have hiked that, especially if power walking. JG's previous hikes on onx. Com show he did hike very fast on his previous hikes. Someone else looked at his posted hikes, idk. The point is maybe they planned to hike the trail very quickly and thought they would be finished before the temperature climbed higher than it already was. It would really surprise me if one of them did not have to carry Oski. He may have even gotten away from them to make a run for the river. That may have been why JG had him leashed. Just speculation on my part as we will never really know what happened that fateful day. A very sad and unnecessary tragedy. What I vividly remember about my heatstroke is how unimaginably weak I was. Unable to lift my hand or arm. Unable to speak. Had I been alone I would have died, I have no doubt about that. I tried to stand and fell into a sitting position, just dropped full weight on my butt. A sitting position much like the one I imagine Jon was found in. I hope they fell unconscious, into a coma very quickly. ETA: I have been shocked at how many people are so uninformed about the danger and consequences of extreme heat, especially the hikers and residents of Mariposa. The irony of them saying people from the South are stupid. Oh, honey. Bless their backwoods hearts. 😏
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 1, 2021 2:51 AM|
cunt and he was gay marrying the asian fish!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 1, 2021 4:32 AM|
R74- Do tell! Do you really think he was gay? Lolol, I did wonder the same thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 1, 2021 4:39 AM|
He married asian fish.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 1, 2021 4:40 AM|