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Nearly 40 Percent of US Gen Zs, 30 Percent of Young Christians Identify as LGBTQ, Poll Shows

Thirty percent of Millennials identify as LGBTQ, according to a soon-to-be released study that is based on scientific polling data. Among Christians the numbers were lower—but only slightly, with just under 30 percent of Millennial Christians identifying as LGBTQ.

The portion of the population that describes itself as gay has varied over the years, from 10 percent, based on research by Alfred Kinsey and widely promoted by the National Gay Task Force in 1977, to less than 6 percent in a recent Gallup poll. The pollster who worked on the new study, George Barna, attributes the unusually high number he found to social and news media coverage that makes it "safe and cool" for young Americans to identify as LGBTQ—whether or not it represents their actual sexual orientation.

"It's a subset of a larger issue, that this is a generation where three out of four are searching for meaning. This is a group that doesn't have a reason to get out of bed in the morning," Barna says. "Therefore, the LGBTQ identity gives them comfort. A lot of this generation claim to be moving in that direction, but there's a big difference between claiming the identity and living the lifestyle."

The poll looked at so-called Millennials, defined as someone born from 1984-2002, which is about 78 million individuals representing a quarter of the U.S. population.


Among Millennials, 30 percent identify as LGBTQ, more than three times that of the rest of the adult population, and when the researchers broke out the youngest of the group, ages 18-24 (which some call Gen Z), they found 39 percent called themselves LGBTQ. Barna produced the 124-page study in conjunction with the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University and Foundations of Freedom, a non-profit entity that promotes traditional American values.

The results differed significantly from a February Gallup poll that showed just 5.6 percent of U.S. adults of all ages are not "heterosexual or straight," though that poll said that 7.6 percent of respondents refused to answer the question and another 5 percent said they had "no opinion" as to whether they are heterosexual or straight. The Gallup survey concluded that one in six Americans ages 18-23 were gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.

NEWSWEEK SUBSCRIPTION OFFERS > Barna's poll is based on a sampling of 600 respondents representing Millennials weighted for factors such as geographic location, race and gender who took an average of 17 minutes each to answer 71 questions.

The poll didn't ask directly whether the respondent was gay or straight, asking instead to choose an answer to the question: "Thinking about your commitments, would you describe yourself as ...."

Six responses were allowed, with the one garnering the most "yes" answers (75 percent) among Millennials being: "Searching for purpose in your life," followed by 74 percent who answered: "Believe all religious faiths are of equal value."

"An American patriot" was next at 55 percent, followed by 54 percent who answered, "Often feel anxious, depressed or unsafe" and 52 percent who answered, "Deeply committed to practicing your faith."

"Prefer socialism to capitalism" was next at 48 percent and "LGBTQ" was last at 30 percent. The order is similar among the 18-24 demographic that has LGBTQ nine percentage points higher.

"It fits into the larger narrative. Millennials are a group that has trouble creating lasting, meaningful relationships," says Barna. "If their sense is that some of the people they want to be friends with — and a group they want to be accepted by — is LGBTQ, then they'll identify with them. It's about image, belonging and acceptance."

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by Anonymousreply 152October 29, 2021 1:20 PM

Congratulations LGBTQIA2S+ on being a fad

by Anonymousreply 1October 21, 2021 4:15 AM

Gen Z = "I'm queer because I dye my hair and don't fit a 1950s stereotype of a man or woman"

by Anonymousreply 2October 21, 2021 4:19 AM

LOL! Bunch of poseurs.

by Anonymousreply 3October 21, 2021 4:25 AM

I've always said 40% of men are in the gay spectrum.

by Anonymousreply 4October 21, 2021 8:37 AM

R4 is delusional.

by Anonymousreply 5October 21, 2021 8:39 AM

R5 and i forgot to add, 90% would have sex with other men depending on the situation.

by Anonymousreply 6October 21, 2021 8:55 AM

Living down South, I’ve noticed a direct correlation to those deeply religious men that ping my gaydar.

by Anonymousreply 7October 21, 2021 9:24 AM

R1, chill dude

by Anonymousreply 8October 21, 2021 12:23 PM

Dear Eldergays

While Newsweek was a respected magazine back in the day, it has been sold and the current entity is a spam/clickbait factory that relies on elders like yourselves thinking the stories must be true because they are from Newsweek.

by Anonymousreply 9October 21, 2021 12:26 PM

How trendy of gen z.

by Anonymousreply 10October 21, 2021 12:28 PM

R1 if you can't decide on what a movement or community is called, is it one?

by Anonymousreply 11October 21, 2021 12:28 PM

What percent are blue haired unfuckables with no personality and of slight intelligence for whom identifying as queer was their only shot at feeling special?

by Anonymousreply 12October 21, 2021 12:37 PM

R12 75, minimum

by Anonymousreply 13October 21, 2021 4:18 PM

[quote] thinking the stories must be true because they are from Newsweek.

This story is most likely true to the extend that it reports on a survey that will be released in the future. The quality of that survey is yet to be determined. The article is fairly clear about how relatively weird the questions were in that survey. It wasn't a poll regarding just sexual identity.

[quote] The poll didn't ask directly whether the respondent was gay or straight, asking instead to choose an answer to the question: "Thinking about your commitments, would you describe yourself as ...."

[quote] Six responses were allowed, with the one garnering the most "yes" answers (75 percent) among Millennials being: "Searching for purpose in your life," followed by 74 percent who answered: "Believe all religious faiths are of equal value."

[quote] "An American patriot" was next at 55 percent, followed by 54 percent who answered, "Often feel anxious, depressed or unsafe" and 52 percent who answered, "Deeply committed to practicing your faith."

[quote] "Prefer socialism to capitalism" was next at 48 percent and "LGBTQ" was last at 30 percent. The order is similar among the 18-24 demographic that has LGBTQ nine percentage points higher.

According to a Gallup poll released in February of 2021, about 1 in 6 Gen Zs (17%) identified as LGBT. The vast majority of them identified as bisexual, and most of the bisexuals were in opposite sex relationships . That poll asked respondents lots of questions about sexual identity only.

Another poll (not Gallup) released in June 2021 found that 20% of Gen Z MORMONS identified as LGBT.

by Anonymousreply 14October 21, 2021 4:19 PM

Then why does DL seem stuck with the same old same old?

by Anonymousreply 15October 21, 2021 4:19 PM


by Anonymousreply 16October 21, 2021 4:23 PM

Surveys? Please.

Polls? Please.

Online surveys and polls? Bwaaaahaaaaa

by Anonymousreply 17October 21, 2021 4:25 PM

35% of them will stop after college. It's bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 18October 21, 2021 4:26 PM

It’s all bullshit. A saw post the other day from a “pansexual” who was looking for women and trans people only—“NO MEN!!!!!!” (Just like that). It’s all bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 19October 21, 2021 4:29 PM

Everyone who’s gay already knows

by Anonymousreply 20October 21, 2021 4:30 PM

We are all LGBTQ+ now.

by Anonymousreply 21October 21, 2021 4:32 PM

Just add an additional letter like "H" for Het and be done with it. We could reach 100%!

by Anonymousreply 22October 21, 2021 4:33 PM

Dear condescending youth r9 -

We're aware. That's why we look at links from Newsweek with caution, as we did in this case, and we saw that it was quoting a Gallup poll, and then looked for the Gallup poll, and see what the actual numbers are as below based on a different Gallup poll from February.

[quote]As for Gen Zers (those born between 1997 and 2002) 1 in 6, or roughly 16 percent of respondents identified as as LGBT. Comparatively, 9 percent of Millennials and 3.8 percent of Gen Xers identify as LGBT. Just 1.3 percent of those born before 1946 and 2 percent of baby boomers identified similarly.

You'd probably make more of an impact in "correcting" your elders if you weren't such a patronizing wankspandrel.

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by Anonymousreply 23October 21, 2021 4:42 PM

It sounds like a pandemic!

by Anonymousreply 24October 21, 2021 4:44 PM

"based on a sampling of 600 respondents"


by Anonymousreply 25October 21, 2021 4:47 PM

... in a follow-up study 10 years later, 70% of those self-identifying as queer in the first study were found to be living in opposite-sex relationships, and reported no significant same-sex activity in the prior decade. Of those reporting significant same-sex activity, 70% reported 'watching television shows featuring non-heterosexual characters', 65% reported 'frequenting gay bars', 40% reported 'crushing on gender-fluid celebrites', and 20 % reported 'crushing on celebrities of the same biological sex' (multiple answers possible).

by Anonymousreply 26October 21, 2021 4:49 PM

Glad I’m not the only one rolling my eyes at this.

To me this is just evidence that a lot of youths have problems with masculinity. Either they don’t want a man, or they don’t like the fact that they are men.

by Anonymousreply 27October 21, 2021 5:14 PM

“Identifying as LGTBQ” is like identifying as a Goth or Punk Rocker. A decade from now, most of them will be exclusively straight.

by Anonymousreply 28October 21, 2021 5:15 PM

R28 I agree, but I think it’s probably truer to say a decade from now most of them will be with men.

by Anonymousreply 29October 21, 2021 5:27 PM

R28 Agree 100%. Being "queer" is the new emo or goth, it's the last subversive subculture left.

by Anonymousreply 30October 21, 2021 5:29 PM

I only believe the boys. Those Gen Z girls just seem desperate for attention.

by Anonymousreply 31October 21, 2021 5:30 PM

Here's a 19 year old attractive guy from Connecticut enrolled at NYU's Tisch School Of The Arts. When asked about his sexuality, he says he identifies as pansexual even though when asked further about it says at this point sh's only ever had extended relationships with females. Another arty straight kid who moves to the big city thinks describing himself as pansexual is so much cooler than saying that he's just straight.

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by Anonymousreply 32October 21, 2021 6:39 PM

Bull. Shit.

by Anonymousreply 33October 21, 2021 6:41 PM

How long did emo/goth last? I think just a short time—five years, perhaps?

by Anonymousreply 34October 21, 2021 7:09 PM

40% is way too high. It represents a complete unraveling of our society.

We thrive when we gays are on the outskirts of society, a counter-culture. We build amazing things underground. But when you center a society around us, it crumbles, and that's what's happening here.

Repent. The fall of the west is coming much sooner than you think.

by Anonymousreply 35October 21, 2021 7:11 PM

None of those people are gay, R35. They’re having heterosexual sex. This is the new goth.

by Anonymousreply 36October 21, 2021 11:17 PM

Well, which part of LGBTXYZ are these people?

LGB is not the same as T. SO are they T or LGB? Or some combo? Or is there overlap?

by Anonymousreply 37October 22, 2021 3:02 AM

R34 not as short as Myspace scene girls.

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by Anonymousreply 38October 22, 2021 3:09 AM


See? They're all "Queer" and "Non-Binary" which have nothing to do with being Gay!

by Anonymousreply 39October 22, 2021 4:26 AM

If you ask the question correctly, you could get 30% of Americans to identify as aardvarks and 22% to identify as space aliens.

by Anonymousreply 40October 22, 2021 4:30 AM

70% think they're media influencers, but they're not. Wake up kids.

by Anonymousreply 41October 22, 2021 4:32 AM

R31 females have always done this. I've known more than a few women who pretended to be bisexual because they thought it made them more appealing to guys. When they were around straight men, they'd talk about how hot this girl or that girl was. Yet plop a vagina in front of their faces and they will be recoil in disgust. Part of it is that it's much more socially acceptable for women to be bisexual, and part of it is their desperate need to be liked and desired.

by Anonymousreply 42October 22, 2021 11:12 AM

R36 no one is centering society around gays. They are centering it around themselves, who are predominately straight. They are appropriating gayness in the form of "queer". It's like dreadlocks on white girls, or excessive "y'all's" from non-Southern white gays.

by Anonymousreply 43October 22, 2021 11:15 AM

R42 it’s disgusting because it invalidates REAL lesbians not to mention gay and bisexual men, whom actually get a MAJORITY of the anti gay hatred and hate crimes

They need to be called out on it, furthermore all these “bisexual women” loose their shit if they find out their guy might be bisexual, so in an odd way they’re anti REAL LGB people

by Anonymousreply 44October 22, 2021 11:23 AM

[quote] But when you center a society around us, it crumbles, and that's what's happening here.

R35 WTF?

by Anonymousreply 45October 22, 2021 11:24 AM

Bisexuality is definitely more common than widely accepted. I would definitely expect those percentage numbers to hold with future generations.

Not with older generations though, older generations were brought up to think heterosexuality was the norm. Too much shame is involved for us to ever know the true scope of same sex attraction at this moment in time.

by Anonymousreply 46October 22, 2021 11:31 AM

It's because of all the ecstasy their GenX parents dropped in the 90's.

by Anonymousreply 47October 22, 2021 11:33 AM

R46 male bisexuality is way more common that stupid straight people think

I’ve been with 10 masculine, bisexual guys in a 4 year spans after breaking up with my female fiancé, NONE of these guys would give any indication that they weren’t anything but 100% straight, also they were more masculine then most straight guys

The problem with male bisexuality is it’s so hated by people and bisexual men tend to be masculine, that bi men NEVER come out, when I was hooking up with these guys it felt like some secret bisexual male underground world like The Fight Club, it exists but you never talk about it or name names

We have that female bisexual women’s priveledge…

by Anonymousreply 48October 22, 2021 11:40 AM

R48 here I meant we DONT have that priveledge

I’m a bisexual man for the record

by Anonymousreply 49October 22, 2021 11:41 AM

We need to pull up the drawbridge from these loons.

It's time masculine gay men began a separatist movement so they're not lumped in with pronoun psychotics.

by Anonymousreply 50October 22, 2021 11:43 AM

R50 yup and then you’ll see a lot of masculine bisexual guys actually… come out

by Anonymousreply 51October 22, 2021 11:49 AM

There are now ten trillion "genders" OP. Stands to reason ten trillion percent are also gay. LOL. Post another bullshit article, fucker.

by Anonymousreply 52October 22, 2021 11:49 AM

r48 That's hot.

by Anonymousreply 53October 22, 2021 11:51 AM

that makes it "safe and cool" for young Americans to identify as LGBTQ—whether or not it represents their actual sexual orientation.

sure, there's heaps of straight guys who say they're gay and kiss and fuck other guys because it's fashionable.

by Anonymousreply 54October 22, 2021 12:15 PM

R53 if you’re masculine, fairly good looking and discreet, you’ll find a LOT of guys are open to doing stuff on the down low with another guy, it was almost scary to me how common it was in my old neighborhood and nobody talks about it, it’s taboo or people act like bisexual men don’t exist, I think Becky threatens straight people too much, so if you pretend it don’t exist , it’ll go away

But the one problem with bi guys is that they always go with women for relationships, I’m guilty of it myself

by Anonymousreply 55October 22, 2021 12:31 PM

R54 put "straight" in apparenthesis.

by Anonymousreply 56October 22, 2021 12:44 PM


by Anonymousreply 57October 22, 2021 12:44 PM

R55’s shunning of male homosexuality is why transgenderism and reparative therapy are so popular.

by Anonymousreply 58October 22, 2021 12:57 PM

R58 I’m not shunning male homosexuality, I’m fine with gay men, I just go better with bisexual guys because I love masculinity

Why would I be with a man who thinks he’s a woman when I could just date women exclusively?

by Anonymousreply 59October 22, 2021 1:05 PM

Not all gay men "think they're a woman", or even the majority of them....

by Anonymousreply 60October 22, 2021 1:09 PM

I'm a gay man and I certainly don't think I'm a woman, and most people would also describe me as being masculine. Like the majority of bi men, you've got issues

by Anonymousreply 61October 22, 2021 1:13 PM

It doesn’t matter to me R59. I’m just making an observation. Reparative therapy isn’t as accessible today, unfortunately—but transgenderism is up 4000 percent. Probably more.

by Anonymousreply 62October 22, 2021 1:22 PM

R61 LOL. Sure, Jan. That's rich. Masculine, until you walk or talk. Your limp wrists ain't masculine, Mary.

by Anonymousreply 63October 22, 2021 1:25 PM

It's disgusting how a lot of young-ish women instrumentalize 'bisexuality' (or 'pansexuality') to attract straight men, many of whom are extremely homophobic, and bi-friendly only in the sense that they like to fantasize about FFM-threesomes. And then these dumb twats have the nerve to call themselves allies and go to Pride events!

by Anonymousreply 64October 22, 2021 5:37 PM

And 99.9% of them are fucking EXHAUSTING!

by Anonymousreply 65October 22, 2021 7:59 PM

R55 A lot of men just need a sexual release, and some of them find it's easier dealing with a man than a woman. Men give head better than women, and ass is way tighter than vagina. Plus, other men understand sex for the sake of sex. I don't think gay men catch feelings for trade to the same extent as women. We know what it is.

by Anonymousreply 66October 23, 2021 3:19 PM

[quote]A lot of men just need a sexual release, and some of them find it's easier dealing with a man than a woman.

Absolutely wrong. There are a shit ton of women who blow guys or fuck guys for “sexual release”. Go on any dating app or escort site.

Straight men do not seek out men for sex of any kind. “Gay for pay” porn has pickled gay men’s minds.

by Anonymousreply 67October 23, 2021 3:23 PM

Not everyone is all about sex

by Anonymousreply 68October 23, 2021 4:06 PM

[quote] A lot of men just need a sexual release, and some of them find it's easier dealing with a man than a woman.

That’s true. You just have to make sure they don’t wig out afterward.

by Anonymousreply 69October 23, 2021 4:14 PM

R67 You’re talking about women available for payment and the errant woman who may be looking for sex (which most women aren’t). For guys, you can always find a guy who’s down to fool around. I’m usually horny after a good workout at the gym. So if I had a guy who I knew needed a quick session, I’d be up for it. How many women could say the same thing and it apply to a guy they’re not currently seeing?

by Anonymousreply 70October 23, 2021 9:45 PM

Many years ago. R4, a "hag" friend of mine thought the number of "not straight" males was 1/3.

by Anonymousreply 71October 23, 2021 9:51 PM

R48 Give me a fucking break. Imagine if gay men had decided not to come out because we are "so hated by people". There would have been no gay rights movement, no marriage equality, no anti-discrimination policies, no cultural shift, etc. We chose to come out and we faced the consequences head-on.

The reason bisexual men choose not to come out is because they are too chickenshit and would rather maintain their heterosexual personas and the enormous advantages that it provides them. Not that I blame them - it's their lives and they can do what they want with it. What these bisexual men need to do is man the fuck up and stop crying and blaming other people for problems they created for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 72October 24, 2021 8:27 PM

Many gay men also never come out

by Anonymousreply 73October 24, 2021 8:31 PM

Teens should be banned from social medias.

by Anonymousreply 74October 24, 2021 10:26 PM

R73 Again, I don't care if you don't come out. The problem with bisexual men is that they whine ad nauseam about it: "bloo bloo I can't come out because people won't like me!" Well tough shit, but you are a grown-ass man. Act like it.

by Anonymousreply 75October 25, 2021 12:04 AM

R72 Totally agree. These “bisexual” or closeted men are also the reason why some women are HIV positive. Because they would rather lead double lives than be who they truly are.

by Anonymousreply 76October 25, 2021 1:23 AM

Shut it

by Anonymousreply 77October 25, 2021 2:27 AM

Truth hurts.

by Anonymousreply 78October 25, 2021 2:29 AM

Naw son

by Anonymousreply 79October 25, 2021 2:44 AM

Butthurt ugly fat bisexual says what?

by Anonymousreply 80October 25, 2021 2:48 AM

Bisexuals are sloppy whores who will throw you under the bus when it's convenient.

by Anonymousreply 81October 25, 2021 5:16 AM

Sorry, but I don't believe the numbers are that high. I think a lot of that percentage are people who say they are gay, but really aren't just to be apart of "the movement". And meanwhile, the only time they've done something with the same sex is one time they drunkenly hooked up with one of their friends.

by Anonymousreply 82October 25, 2021 5:34 AM

R80 who are you referring too?

by Anonymousreply 83October 25, 2021 5:47 AM

R76 women have themselves to blame as well, because most women wouldn’t be with a man whose attracted to men too, so they have to HIDE it from them, even if they love them and don’t want too, while women get acclaim for being bi, men are shunned and hated for it

Get it?

by Anonymousreply 84October 25, 2021 5:56 AM

R80 you can’t be referring to me since I’m neither, butthurt, ugly, fat or old

I’ve been fortunate to have been with tons of men and women in my life, which is why I feel I have enough experience have this option man

by Anonymousreply 85October 25, 2021 6:05 AM

From Rolling Stone in 2018. His issues are self inflicted.

[quote] The purchases listed by TMG read like Depp gave his wallet to a tween with ADD. There was $75 million for 14 residences. He spent $3 million to shoot his pal Hunter S. Thompson’s ashes into the sky from a cannon. A mere $7,000 to buy his daughter a couch from the set of Keeping Up With the Kardashians. He bought some 70 guitars and 200 pieces of art, including Basquiats and Warhols, owned 45 luxury vehicles and spent $200,000 a month on private air travel. Then things got personal. According to the suit, Depp kept a sound engineer on the payroll so he could feed him lines through an earpiece while filming. This Depp does not deny, saying the sounds fed to him made him act with just his eyes. “I’ve got bagpipes, a baby crying and bombs going off,” says Depp. “It creates a truth. Some of my biggest heroes were in silent film,” Depp tells me, lighting another cigarette. “It had to be behind the eyes. And my feeling is, that if there’s no truth behind the eyes, doesn’t matter what the fucking words are.” But that didn’t explain the 12 storage facilities for his Hollywood memorabilia, heavy on Brando and Marilyn Monroe. Mandel alleged Depp spent $1.2 million to keep a doctor on call and another $1.8 million a year on round-the-clock security, including for his elderly mother. (When asked why his mom needed security, Depp responded that it was in case she needed an ambulance, according to sources with intimate knowledge of the conversation. TMG tried to convince Depp a nurse would be cheaper, but he couldn’t be persuaded.) Kump suggested the source of Depp’s problems was psychiatric: “In retrospect, it appears that Depp may suffer from a compulsive-spending disorder, which will be proven in this action through a mental examination of Depp.”

by Anonymousreply 86October 25, 2021 6:11 AM

r84 The straight women have every right to accept or reject men who exclusively fuck women or men who do both. These women are not charity things that bisexual men are automatically entitled to. Those men's own problems are no responsibility of straight women.

Just like trannies who hide their identities and force their ways in are not entitled to gays and straights who do not want them as fuck partners.

by Anonymousreply 87October 25, 2021 6:27 AM

LGBTQ. Almost always represented by gross looking people with gross hair and freaky styles

by Anonymousreply 88October 25, 2021 6:29 AM

R87 that is THE dumbest example

#1 many boys expiriment, you telling me that if a 13 year old boy experimented with bits when he was younger than after he fall into being heterosexual and he dated just women that women have the right to get pissed at shit he did as a boy, years before he even met her?

Damn, I didn’t know women OWNED men’s bodies like that?

#2 many of these women are bisexual and have expirimented themselves so it’s ok for them but not their male partner, what kind of feminist, backwards anti gay and bisexual male crap is this?

by Anonymousreply 89October 25, 2021 7:15 AM

R84 If bisexual men don't like the way they are viewed by society, then they need to come out and engage in conversation with the public, just like gay people have been doing for decades. But they don't - they overwhelmingly choose to remain closeted (as shown by research). Society by and large viewed gay men as diseased freaks who will burn in hell, but we stood our ground and won hearts and minds by coming out to our families, friends, coworkers, etc.

You love pointing the finger at others and coming up with excuses for why you are not out. Own up to the consequences of your decisions: You came out and are facing backlash? Welcome to the club. You won't come out but keep blaming others (usually women and gay men)? Grow the hell up.

by Anonymousreply 90October 25, 2021 10:51 PM

Newsflash, r90, but people STILL think of us that way. Have you watched the Chapelle special? He's so homophobic, and no one cares about it one bit.

Sorry you all, but bis do have it better than us, because to society, they are still able to be straight.

by Anonymousreply 91October 26, 2021 2:26 AM

R91 with bisexual women absolutely but not with bisexual men

Bisexual men don’t fit in the gay world and although they appear more likely to fit into the straight world, they really don’t either mostly because male bisexuality pisses off and angers straight people, who still control everything, hell I’ve even heard anti bisexual male crap from bisexual women

It REALLY pisses straight people off

I remember when I was in college and worked at a supermarket stocking shelves overnight, two Black lesbians, a couple one masculine and one feminine were hired and I became friends with them and went out to clubs with them, I told them I was bisexual, it got back to the people at work and I went from being popular , one of the guys who played football during lunch and who was even dating one of the hot girls that worked there, we had broken up prior, to being some disgusting scumbag overnight, a lot of my friends stopped talking me and kept their distance and one even said “If he ever touched me I’d stab him to death”, but they all loved the Black lesbians , I was evil and disgusting however

And those lesbian friends didn’t have my back either

So even people who are Black, women and lesbian (THREE minorities) still get treated better and are still a lot more accepted than a masculine, bisexual white man, in society

That’s when I realized that there is no “LGB family “ or unity, you gotta fend for yourselves

by Anonymousreply 92October 26, 2021 7:22 AM

I wonder how much of this percentage will truly end up in same-sex, long-term relationships...or living as out, self-identified same-sex oriented people, particularly as gay or lesbian, or even bi. And how much of this percentage for Gen Z is about playing around with identity and labels for what their generation perceives as being the 'in' thing, or oddly enough, counter-culture/subversive/etc., particularly for clout or just 'being different'.

The numbers look promising, but then you think of the bigger picture...

by Anonymousreply 93October 26, 2021 8:04 AM

R93 all the edgy bi girls I went to high school with in the mid 2000s are with male partners now

by Anonymousreply 94October 26, 2021 8:23 AM

I’ll even go so far to say that stereotypical effeminate gay men are more accepted than masculine gay and especially masculine bisexual men in society

Because they fit into preconceived, acceptable boxes that don’t make straight people feel uncomfortable, the sassy gay guy, who you know is gay the second you see him, in fact most straight people would love if every man attracted to men would act like that

Masculine gay men and especially masculine bisexual men challenge stereotypes, if you’re just one of the bros who also like sucking dick on occasion, it’s horrifying to a lot of straight people

Because straight people are so use to the stereotype of gay men that if a guy or bisexual man doesn’t fit the stereotype than there’s trouble

Similar to how women were supposed to be feminine, 50s housewives types and if women didn’t fit into that mold, it pissed people off, luckily we came a long way from those days

by Anonymousreply 95October 26, 2021 8:40 AM

If most bisexual men were to come out they will be forced to be with their own gender. Most straight women will have nothing to do with them. The average woman out there doesn't want to be with a guy that sucked dicks or have had anal sex with another man. People have to understand that porn isn't real life.

by Anonymousreply 96October 26, 2021 10:10 AM

“…of that percentage, 90% are classified as exhausting narcissists…”

by Anonymousreply 97October 26, 2021 10:16 AM

[quote] [R72] Totally agree. These “bisexual” or closeted men are also the reason why some women are HIV positive. Because they would rather lead double lives than be who they truly are.

Interesting that you post that in a thread about more and more (younger) people coming out as bi (as part of the LGBTQ Community). Do you prefer your scenario to remain the status quo?

by Anonymousreply 98October 26, 2021 10:28 AM

Millenials know a hot trend when they see one.

by Anonymousreply 99October 26, 2021 10:30 AM

LOL, suck it, haters. LGBTQ takes over and all you have is "get off my lawn!".

by Anonymousreply 100October 26, 2021 10:30 AM

R96 which is blatant anti gay sentiment

If I were a woman , I would want to know about my man’s sexual history upfront including if he has ever been with the same sex

And I would have enough faith in our relationship that it wouldn’t bother me

by Anonymousreply 101October 26, 2021 10:37 AM

R96 and yet many of these women experimented with the same sex or are bisexual themselves

Furthermore, many of these women will fool around with other bi/bicurious women, who’ve, wait for it….. taken dick up the ass and vagina and have sucked tons of cock before as well

Makes no sense….

by Anonymousreply 102October 26, 2021 10:41 AM

Typical bisexual woman

“I’m bi , I’m so oppressed, even though my husband loves it, but I can never be with a bisexual guy whose had sex with dick and has taken dick but damn, I love bisexual women, and they’ve taken tons of dick too”

The logic makes no sense

by Anonymousreply 103October 26, 2021 10:45 AM

R95 The flaw in your argument is what is meant by a "masculine" gay man. I've never met one, frankly. I have no problem being easily identified as a hay man. I'm neither particularly effeminate nor do I evidence the exaggerated gestures vocal intonations associated with caricatures of gay men.

Nevertheless, no one is in doubt that I am. Any more than I'm in doubt when encountering socially a man I easily recognise isn't. Even if he isn't sporting "masculinity" creds.

The truth is, what masculine gay man means is a sort of twisted effort to navigate a crooked path leading nowhere.

Plenty of women have fallen for gay men, many of whom were simply gay men. I've had it happen in my salad days with some close friends. One of them has lasted as friends into old age. We laugh about it now. None of us were in any doubt from the get-go of the truth, despite the fact that I was neither overtly masculine nor screamed Pouf. I was both flattered and a bit sad. The other was actually quite exquisite, and funny as hell. She was killed in a car accident in Scotland at 36 and I was heartbroken.

Rock Hudson never seemed like a masculine gay man to me, only to fools who couldn't see what was right in front of them. He was a caricature of masculinity.

I never have understood the term masculine gay man, although I understand it cosmetically. But in essence, in the heart and soul? What the fuck does it actually mean?!

by Anonymousreply 104October 26, 2021 10:52 AM

R104 it means a gay guy who comes across as straight, they’re rare but I’ve met a few, almost all bisexual men I’ve been with are masculine too, in fact I would go so far to say, most bisexual men I’ve been with are more masculine than the average straight guy, I consider myself tough and from the streets but I wouldn’t want to get on some of these guys bad side

by Anonymousreply 105October 26, 2021 10:55 AM

Two of my nieces identify as bisexual. One is in junior high and the older one is married to a man. Maybe they are. On the other hand my college athlete nephew identified as bi right earlier and now is in a relationship with another male athlete at his college. I'm calling full gay on that one. (And he pings to high heaven.)

by Anonymousreply 106October 26, 2021 11:02 AM


The results wouldn't be different if EVERY bidexual/bicurious/partially str8 boomer decided to STOP glamourizing the 'straight' label.

by Anonymousreply 107October 26, 2021 11:10 AM

^^^^^ *Bisexual

by Anonymousreply 108October 26, 2021 11:10 AM

R106 the guy is probably gay and your nieces are both straight, they may have experimented but they’re straight

Women who experimented with the same sex love telling everyone who will listen about it

Men who do it, would rather die than have people find out

That double standard and we’re still supposed to pretend that women are oppressed sexually

by Anonymousreply 109October 26, 2021 11:14 AM

Lol they are R109, think about it. Men never get called sluts or whores.

by Anonymousreply 110October 26, 2021 11:25 AM

R110 yes as long as men whore around with the opposite sex

But if a man does something with the same sex, it’s the worst thing in the world, worse than any woman whoring around with men or even women

All male priveledge is revoked

by Anonymousreply 111October 26, 2021 11:29 AM

Hahahah R111 but most men will be straight anyways...

by Anonymousreply 112October 26, 2021 11:40 AM

R112 of course but that still doesn’t invalidate my post

It speaks to how hated male/male sexuality is

by Anonymousreply 113October 26, 2021 11:44 AM

Just because one personally hasn't seen/meet a "masculine gay man", doesn't mean they don't exist.

by Anonymousreply 114October 26, 2021 12:05 PM

R114 exactly , I’ve met some, there are even some that are famous but let’s be real, most 100% gay men have some femininity in them

However bisexual men , from my experience, seem to have more testosterone, this higher sex drive , and seem to be more masculine than even the average straight guy, as a bisexual man, I look back at all the bi guys I hooked up with, many were from the streets too and in jail and have kids with different women and would throw hands in a fight in a second etc.

by Anonymousreply 115October 26, 2021 12:10 PM

[quote] but let’s be real, most 100% gay men have some femininity in them

R115 And what exactly is this "femininity" to you? What qualities, characteristics, or features are you referring to?

by Anonymousreply 116October 26, 2021 12:23 PM

Insecure poseurs wanting to feel special and needing attention.

by Anonymousreply 117October 26, 2021 12:40 PM

R105 - I do understand that. But what "straight acting", a term I have seen in thousands of personals ads and that has always made me angry, means is that masculine is defined as loving women, or appearing to do so.

Masculine and feminine are confusing terms. I am a biological male and homosexual. I have known hetero males who aren't particularly butch, straight women who are more butch than feminine (and theirs is a particularly hard lot in the sexual marketplace) . . . the spectrum is quite encompassing.

I think the underlying suspicion I harbour is the suggestion that gay men long for something we can never have, because if someone is truly masculine - he loves women. And that's why the whole thing bothers me so much. I have never felt that way.

by Anonymousreply 118October 26, 2021 1:49 PM

I Like hot bi and mostly straight bros who are completely masculine and mainstream, which is why almost all males I have vibes with are urban, athletes, or military bros

by Anonymousreply 119October 26, 2021 2:49 PM

Carl Jung's Anima Animus goes deep into human's subconscious regarding feminine vs. masculine.

Of course, society tells the mainstream to fear and be ashamed of their own selves and not embrace it.

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by Anonymousreply 121October 26, 2021 2:57 PM

R98 I prefer men who might have exposed themselves to HIV to 1) get tested, but 2) be honest about their sexual history with their partners. At least as it pertains to that particular aside. To be honest I think there are more women identifying as bi than men, because men know the deal with women. They may be all for tolerance but they’re not sleeping with or seriously dating men who have a history of having sex with men. I don’t think bisexuality is as much a dealbreaker for straight men.

by Anonymousreply 122October 26, 2021 4:57 PM

[quote]But what "straight acting", a term I have seen in thousands of personals ads and that has always made me angry, means is that masculine is defined as loving women, or appearing to do so.

I've never taken it to mean that.

by Anonymousreply 123October 26, 2021 5:10 PM

It usually means a male who is unclockable, has no observable traits associated with gay men or gay culture. It’s a dude who never triggers gaydar

by Anonymousreply 124October 26, 2021 7:07 PM

“It’s just a fetish!”

by Anonymousreply 125October 26, 2021 7:17 PM

That's because somehow sexuality and gender have become "trends." While society has become WAY more accepting, this also brought the opportunity to some people to label themselves as LGBT for irrelevant things. Bisexualism rates have gone up sky high, while in reality most of them are either gay or lesbian in denial. Clowns identify as "non-binary" just because they like to wear gender neutral clothes. Not having a 100% masculine or feminine traits is called a personality, not non-binary or genderless.

by Anonymousreply 126October 26, 2021 7:27 PM

With all the new genders and sexualities they keep adding on a daily basis, experts predict the LGBT acronym could circle the Earth 3 times by 2025.

by Anonymousreply 127October 26, 2021 7:27 PM

[quote] That's because somehow sexuality and gender have become "trends."

Progress is never stagnant. To dismiss something like civil rights and expression of self as a trend is a conservative attempt of demeaning progress that's apparently not intended for those individuals in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 128October 26, 2021 7:32 PM

[quote]Progress is never stagnant.

Neither is idiocy.

by Anonymousreply 129October 26, 2021 7:35 PM

R128 creating new genders by the day is not "progress," it's a clownery. And pointing it out is not "conservative," it's common sense. You people will call ANYONE anti-LGBT or conservative for the slightest ideological difference from you. You're a very simple minded person.

by Anonymousreply 130October 26, 2021 7:51 PM

r130, you know what clownery is? Telling younger generations what they are supposed to do and care about. Like, did you appreciate it when older generations told you that coming out as gay or being gay is terrible idea to live your life?

Oh, "that's different"? Sure, Jan.

by Anonymousreply 131October 26, 2021 8:02 PM

R131 You're comparing actual phenomenons proved by science (homosexuality and transgenderism) with people who say they don't have a gender, just because they don't like wearing a dress or pants. "Today I'm not in the mood to wear heels, so I'm a man. Today I'm not in the mood to wear loafers, so I'm a woman." Drag is a form of gender expression, but at the same time it's not denying your gender. But to actually say that you are genderless, that's laughable. Go hide under the covers to deal with your glass feelings.

by Anonymousreply 132October 26, 2021 8:07 PM

Due to the nature of The US with religion being so closely tied to community plus the lack of safety nets which makes so many people economically dependent on their church. This makes sense. Even as more and more people identify LGBTQ, I do not see the amount of religiousness decreasing. The main reason, Europe, Australia and Canada are less religious is government safety nets like healthcare. The US has so much poverty, untreated mental ilness and lack of resources, that people are still involved in religious organizations to fulfill their needs. Anyway, if these young Christians can transform Christianity to be more tolerant and accepting then I'm all for it. I know many young Christians who were absolutely disgusted by Bush and later Trump and had falling out with their parents who voted Republican.

by Anonymousreply 133October 26, 2021 8:10 PM

r132, you should be ashamed for hiding behind science books like the Christian fascists still hide behind the Bible to hate on us Gays.

You don't like the gender pronoun thing? Nobody forces you to participate. You don't like the word "queer"? Nobody forces you to use it or identify as one. You don't like "trends"? Nobody forces you to follow them. You can still be you. And yet, that's not enough for you. You need to control others and get into their business.

by Anonymousreply 134October 26, 2021 8:11 PM

R134 Lmao, first of all I'm not religious. Second, the Bible is not a follower of science, it's a follower of God. So you're saying that something exists just because "you say so," and that any scientific or logical explanation or discovery behind it is irrelevant? Got it. Love your argument.

I could care less if you identify as a tree. But if you expect everyone to follow your clownery (like you apparently are), and get triggered when someone doesn't use "they/them" on you, then I'm afraid you are the problem. I find it quite contradictory how you are acting all Mother Theresa and basically saying that everyone is entitled to believe in what they want, but at the same time, you expect people to follow your terms.

by Anonymousreply 135October 26, 2021 8:18 PM

r135, perfectly represents the ignorance of his side.

[quote] You don't like the gender pronoun thing? Nobody forces you to participate. You don't like the word "queer"? Nobody forces you to use it or identify as one. You don't like "trends"? Nobody forces you to follow them. You can still be you. And yet, that's not enough for you. You need to control others and get into their business.

He completely ignores the comment to go on his special rant.

[quote] I could care less if you identify as a tree. But if you expect everyone to follow your clownery (like you apparently are), and get triggered when someone doesn't use "they/them" on you, then I'm afraid you are the problem.

Nobody is forcing him to do anything, but he acts like some young Queers invaded his home and force him to dye his hair blue at gun point.

by Anonymousreply 136October 26, 2021 8:22 PM

600 responded??? Statistically this is way too small a sample. And how were these selected? This stinks of someone with an agenda that starts with the answer he or she wants and creates the survey to prove the answer.

So many of the polls and surveys are bogus.

by Anonymousreply 137October 26, 2021 8:29 PM

r130, r132, r134 from the 70s & 80s = I refuse to humor this clownery of this new sexual identity and still call them faggots! Stop pushing that perverted lifestyle down my throat!

by Anonymousreply 138October 26, 2021 8:31 PM

Sorry, obviously I was referring to r135, not r134

by Anonymousreply 139October 26, 2021 8:32 PM

[quote]You don't like the gender pronoun thing? Nobody forces you to participate.

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by Anonymousreply 140October 26, 2021 8:35 PM

r140, LOL are you trying to convince us that you are a student? Sure, Jan.

by Anonymousreply 141October 26, 2021 8:39 PM

R95 Nelly gay men are not safer than masculine, passable gay guys, you dumb fuck. Nelly fem types are always bullied, even by other gay men.

by Anonymousreply 142October 26, 2021 9:01 PM

I'll repeat. I only believe the boys. The girls who claim bi usually just want attention.

by Anonymousreply 143October 26, 2021 9:39 PM

R123 - The word "straight" in "straight-acting" doesn't suggest a meaning to you?

by Anonymousreply 144October 26, 2021 9:50 PM

[quote]The word "straight" in "straight-acting" doesn't suggest a meaning to you?

It certainly suggests behaviors and bearing that are more common in straight men, but it has nothing to do with sleeping with women. I've been called straight-acting my entire life and I've never had sex with a woman.

by Anonymousreply 145October 26, 2021 11:09 PM

R143 true, but with this generation they chop off the tits before they even have a chance to make out with one chick freshman year of college before going 100% back to men.

by Anonymousreply 146October 26, 2021 11:11 PM

LGBTQIA+ has become nothing more than a fashion accessory.

I no longer allow myself to be referred to as LGBT-Anything. I correct the person and tell them I identify ONLY as "Gay" and not any of that other crap, and to please not misidentify me in the future. Eye rolls all around!

by Anonymousreply 147October 26, 2021 11:53 PM

R91 You clearly have a victim complex if you still think the mainstream view of gay men in the West is that we are satanic monsters. Look at the research and look at the polls. Before the gay rights movement kicked off, the Attorney General of Dade County was promoting "Boys Beware" as a valuable tool in Miami high schools. Do you really think this kind of behavior would be tolerated today? Most of society is OK with gay people thanks to the incredible work that we've been doing, both as a community and as individuals. Just by being open about our sexual orientation (unlike the vast majority of bisexual men), we managed to completely uproot so many of the sick prejudices that society had been forcing upon us. We stopped being "Faceless sexual monster who will go to hell", became "My son who lives with his roommate" and finally "My son who has a husband". Does homophobia still exist? Absolutely, and it must always be challenged with rational, sensible engagement. The rest of the alphabet soup is not too familiar with this stance and would rather harass people into conformity or, if this fails, simply shut them down. They would rather burn the whole place down if they don't get their way instead of building a sense of goodwill with the majority of society.

by Anonymousreply 148October 27, 2021 1:47 AM

How are the numbers if they are asked whether they are gay or lesbian? Q is a blanket term, a free "I want to feel special and a little oppressed too" card.

by Anonymousreply 149October 28, 2021 1:49 PM

Racial equality and a sudden rash of kids asserting that OMG! I'm really the opposite gender of the genetic chromosomes I got (or didn't get) from Dad!" isn't "progress". In fact, it is an insult to the struggles of the descendants of slaves in America to equate their history with a sudden, mysterious fascination with a new gender toy.

Homosexuality has been with humanity since humanity began.

The trans "movement" has not. The actual number of people who suffer from childhood from body and gender dysmorphia is fractional. But, suddenly, film actors are all over the place trumpeting their "non-binary" creds.


The horrors inflicted on black slaves in the Americas, the Jews over the last 2,000 years in Europe, are real history.

The trans shit isn't.

by Anonymousreply 150October 28, 2021 2:38 PM

Marsha P. Johnson freed the slaves on Juneteenth which she invented!

Marsha P. Johnson gave the Jews in WWII Europe their rights!

by Anonymousreply 151October 28, 2021 10:27 PM

"while in reality most of them are either gay or lesbian in denial"

Hun, that's a Heterocentric and OUTDATED view on human sexuality, Bi men are very real and have always outnumbered gay Try to convince them that they are gay just because they had gay sex and they'll disappear from your life,but continue to have gay sex with other men, their taste for the male gender does not make their attraction to women fade away.

by Anonymousreply 152October 29, 2021 1:20 PM
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