Why you SHOULD lye on your Resume

^^LIE^^

One of best pieces of advice my old man ever gave me was "it's better to find a job when you have a job".

What guy in video says is largely true. It doesn't matter why, when and or how you were let go. Places tend to prefer hiring someone who is still working. Yes, (as guy in vid says) shit happens causing individuals if not entire departments to be let go. But HR people also know that places tend to try and keep key good employees, rain makers, etc... So unless you're talking about an entire company or whatever going belly up, expect some eyebrows to be raised.

As for lying on resume and or application for employment, in every state that is grounds for termination. This if the lie is found out years or decades later.

Balance of advice in video is pretty funky. Most large or even medium size places route all questions about previous (or current) employees to HR. For decades now fear of lawsuits has caused most places to have a pretty standard reference policy. On the record they will largely only confirm dates of employment, period. Individual managers, direct supervisors, etc.. normally are not involved in such references, and indeed often are formally forbidden from doing so. Again all such requests are directed to official HR person.

There is of course an unofficial back channel of information from previous employers that exists, but is difficult to prove.

When you zoom through several interviews and things are all smiles and glad handshakes; then suddenly out of blue comes a telephone call, text, email or whatever saying coldly "we went with another candidate"... It usually means someone dropped a quarter on you. Suddenly all those persons you met/interviewed with won't take nor return telephone calls, emails, etc..

Well most HR people are hacks and grifters themselves, like used car salesman who think they have a degree from an ivy league college. Eyebrows should not be raised because you have a job gap. Companies do not have loyalty thees days like they might have 50 years ago. I have been through several rounds of layoffs where entire departments closed down and no attempt to retain anyone was extended. Plus as the guy in the video pointed out, man companies live about the job ad as well. I have had that happen to me, sold a bill of goods, took the offer and then the first day I walk in they tell me to do something entirely different.

Oh, real smart! Companies often don’t check references until after they hire you, and your offer is always contingent upon the truthfulness of how you’ve presented yourself.

I’ve seen people fired a year into a job because lies have come up. Don’t do it.

Lie about everything on your resume that you need to except for your abilities. That's the one thing they will call you on.

Idiot who did YT video OP's link must be speaking about small companies or some other such gig. You don't attempt to BS your way through interview process say at Goldman, Citibank, or any other equally large or even middle size company.

Getting your "friend' to lie about being current employer is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Again it might work for some small start-up or other place with a handful of employees, but seasoned HR people aren't going to fall for that trick.

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One lie begets another.....

Say you BS your way into an entry level position or whatever. Things are going good and then you're up for major promotion. As part of said process company will be doing another background check, then lies first told may come back to haunt.

Or, sometime after being hired a former co-worker or contact somehow pops up. Maybe they are starting with company, are a new client, whatever. This person totally innocently may say things contrary to what you've told on resume or job application because they only know the truth.

Take advice from some random twerp yammering on his bedroom-office webcam?

He's right. I've always done this and NEVER been questioned. Not huge exaggerations but I've had the friend as the former boss, extended employment dates, made up companies to cover job gaps etc. No one has ever looked twice. It works.

All it takes is one vindictive colleague down the road who decides to look into your experience and finds something fishy. You can be a long-standing employee of solid performance but that won’t stop your company from dumping you for lying.

[quote]Idiot who did YT video OP's link must be speaking about small companies or some other such gig. You don't attempt to BS your way through interview process say at Goldman, Citibank, or any other equally large or even middle size company.

Over 99 percent of America's 28.7 million firms are small businesses dipshit.

[quote]Take advice from some random twerp yammering on his bedroom-office webcam?

Based on his followers and Youtube analytics, he's probably making about 400,000 a year so who's the idiot? Are YOU making that much? Your advice is just as random if not more since he at least puts him name and face to what he says.

[quote]All it takes is one vindictive colleague down the road who decides to look into your experience and finds something fishy. You can be a long-standing employee of solid performance but that won’t stop your company from dumping you for lying.

Says who? I have worked with tons of unqualified people. Many of the people who lied the most are the CEO or heads of a department. Once you get hired, no one every goes back through the files and checks your resume. Statistically speaking, the typical resume in 2021 only gets about 9 seconds of reading. Besides, it's not the Catholic church, if you are a good employee helping them make money, they are not going to let the Church lady demand you get fired because on a whim she deiced to find a small gap in your work history.

[quote]I’ve seen people fired a year into a job because lies have come up. Don’t do it.

I call BS on that. No HR person who is busy with hundreds of resumes each day is suddenly going to dig up dirt on an employee who has been there a year. The ONLY why that would happen if they were looking for an excuse to fire you. But in that case, even if your resume is perfect, they will find another excuse.

Most HR people will tell you they dont bother checking references because they all know the references you give will always be positive ones or from friends. That's not my opinion, it's what I have read from actual HR staff.

Remember that the interviewer is most likely lying a bit as well - "We're just like one big happy family..."

Yeah, were all just like family except we will fire you just for looking at us the wrong way or saying something we don't want to hear. And of course we wont share the booming profits with you like actual family, just the hard times when we need to let you go.

The 3 big lies companies tell their future employees in an interview. I can think of a lot more.

But I can lie about my age, right?

After all, if I was 50 years old, but I felt I was living in a 30-year-old body, that's my truth and it can't be denied. Biology has no place in this argument.

And if I don't get the job because you don't think I'm what I claim to be, I'm going to scream discrimination.

Lying is a two way street, companies say these big lies all the time and no one ever calls them out on it.

[quote]But I can lie about my age, right?

Actually it's illegal to ask someone's age in a job interview for a typical professional job in America. Very few exceptions as long as you are over 21. Age discrimination in the work place is a real thing.

I’ve extended employment dates to make sure there was no obvious gap. I’ve also somewhat exaggerated my role in certain projects.

Never had a problem and my CV was never flagged as having a job gap to explain

[Quote] Actually it's illegal to ask someone's age in a job interview for a typical professional job in America. Very few exceptions as long as you are over 21. Age discrimination in the work place is a real thing

Except it’s pretty easy to figure out someone’s age by the resume. And only older hires don’t put dates on

r21 I realize they're not allowed to ask you your age in an interview. That doesn't mean they won't discriminate against you anyway. That's one of the things they lie about.

I guess it depends on the industry, but in my experience as a hiring manager, HR is loathe to commence the termination process without *multiple* offenses, I suppose because it's so time consuming & litigious these days.

Everyone is lying to a certain degree; the employer about what a great place to work it is, so much advancement & opportunity & the candidate lies about their experience, etc. But I will say this: if a security clearance is involved, do.not.lie. That will bite you in the ass in a big way

If you watch the video, he has a good point. Dont lie in the interview, but if you have to stretch the truth on your resume about small things like dates or titles to get past the gate keep then no harm done. Usually the first person looking at the resume has no clue what the actual job is about, it's really up to the hiring manager to determine if you are a good fit.

He also has a good point about skills. If you have 75% of what they are asking for and you think you can learn the rest on the job, apply for the job. Those job ads are wish lists that are out of control and usually posted by HR or Recruiters that once again have no idea even what those requirements mean. And in the real world, you probably wont even need half of with they are asking for.

I blame this on the Internet. There was a time when companies had to pay per word to post a job ad in the local paper. When I was young it was something like $150 for one short sentence in the back of the paper with a size 10 font. Now because there is no real cost burden, the job ads are paragraphs or even a full page long. It's ridiculous and out of control. And yet they wonder why they cant find the right person.

Whatever you do don’t lie about your education. Your educational history is easily checkable.

I only lied once when I took off that I had a master’s degree at the direction of recruiter. I got caught and didn’t get the job. I was young.

If you have more than one degree, like an A.A or B.S. you can leave them off. But you cant say you have a degree you didnt actually earn. That's one of the few things they can check by calling the school and it's one of the few things that validates your basic skills. You dont have to list the date. There is not law you have to put that on your resume. If they call the school they can find out that way if they want. Many job pros are advising people over 50 not to put the graduation date. Once you are in the interview, if they ask you can tell them then.

It’s all right to omit a graduate degree from a resume, but when you’re asked later in the hiring process to fill out and sign an application, you must list all the degrees you’ve earned.

I think he’s right. I have never lied on mine but I may start doing so soon. Companies are being unreasonable in their expectations so I would not feel immoral doing so.

A friend had six jobs in six years. If something annoyed her, she'd quit. On resume listed jobs with companies where she never worked and were out of business, no way to check references.

Yep. Make companies that are out of business your previous employers to cover gaps. No way to check. I do this.

“Contains no lye.” Well, I should hope not.

[quote] After all, if I was 50 years old, but I felt I was living in a 30-year-old body, that's my truth and it can't be denied. Biology has no place in this argument.

And if you're a Datalounger, all your friends tell you you look 30!

The guy in the video looks like a much handsomer Frankie Muniz.

So much broken English in some of these posts...

Doesn’t lye eat through paper?

Little lies are fine (almost expected). Do not add whoppers like you have a major degree when you don’t.

You can lie about your salary (pad it to a certain degree) because they can't verify that. But don't make it ridiculous. Do your homework through Glass Door. Don't say you were making 6 figures in an entry level position. Don't show up in a hooptie with Payless shoes if you were supposed to be making bank.

DO NOT LIE about having more degrees than you do, or elevate your position into something that it's not. Degrees can be checked out and I know someone who got fired for faking one for over a year. Name of position held and dates held, would you rehire yes/ no, is all fair game to ask here in CA.

DO NOT LIE about criminal records. That is easily verifiable through a background check.

If you have a couple fancy degrees, there is no need to lie about anything. That was my M.O. and it worked. Almost all people hiring for professional jobs respect fancy diplomas. It's not fair but it's true. Fancy education also helps for failing up. It holds true in many countries. Arrive in Singapore or Dubai with Oxbridge or Ivy cred and you won't be unemployed.

I'm posting this reply because I had read that all HR people are horrible. It's strange, but I have no really awful memories of HR. In fact there is a lady who worked at University of Washington Medical Center (I cannot divulge her name in the interest of allowing her her privacy) that, due to my supervisor's actions, and my reactions to her via my union, I was to spend a fair amount of time with.

She still remains, not out of all HR people, but of all the people I've met (the HR lady, not the supervisor), someone possessed of great integrity, dignity and fairness. I think one is born with that kind of sterling palette of superior personality characteristics, because none of it seemed fake or contrived.

I got fired once the hospital saw that I lied and used cross outs and stories made up by my roommates.

A few things from someone who worked in H/R...

[quote]Actually it's illegal to ask someone's age in a job interview for a typical professional job in America.

Wrong, though a city or state may have such a law, no federal law prevents it. In fact there is only ONE question that is illegal to ask on a federal level. The American Disabilities Act forbids asking or talking about a person's disability before making a bonafide job offer.

So why do people think this? It is not illegal to ask what race, sex, religion, etc...BUT it is illegal to base hiring decisions on that information. Since you can't base it on that, why ask it? It will only hurt you if you later get sued. This is why employer tell recruiters and H/R people it's illegal.

As for age, on a federal level it is only illegal to discriminate against people over 40. Under 40 you can.

[quote]Most HR people will tell you they dont bother checking references because they all know the references you give will always be positive ones or from friends.

This is what I thought at first, but you couldn't be more wrong. I have gotten a ton of negative comments (He's always late, he's lazy...) from people who put references on resumes.

[quote]As for lying on resume and or application for employment, in every state that is grounds for termination. This if the lie is found out years or decades later.

In the USA you can be fired without a reason anytime. The only difference is in your ability to collect unemployment.

The older you are the harder it is to check things. Do you think anyone cares whether you got a degree when you're 50 years old and graduated college 30 years ago? If you have a common name like "John Smith" it makes background checks very difficult.

I've run background checks on people with common names and sometimes it's a mess. One guy had a criminal record linked, to crimes that happened ten years before he was born, and yet with his name and SS number it still came up.

Its not unheard of for the CHIEF - HEAD of HR to be a dignified and wise person and most staff under her (usually a her) are polluted, untrustworthy cunts.

I'm talking about really big operations. The cream rises to the top.

I fudged job dates on my resume which carried over to my online app at a hospital. This was a low-level environmental services job (cleaning). After I received an offer, the background check vendor they used started contacting me to verify my dates when they couldn't get hold of my previous employers. They wanted to see scans of pay stubs. Fortunately, I wasn't too far off on my dates so that I could say I was "mistaken" and one place was out of business and another was 1099 work, so it all worked out. But it did scare the bejesus out of me at the time.

I'v worked for 6 small to medium size companies in the last 20 years, 4 of them want completely out of business. Out of the two remaining, one merged with other companies 3 different times changing the name each time so my resume looks sketchy through no fault of my own. So it works both ways, yeah people switch jobs a lot, but companies also go out of business a lot.

[quote]I'm posting this reply because I had read that all HR people are horrible.

That's the understatement of the year. The last one I delt with told me to confide in her about my health issues at the time, said I could trust her and she completely betrayed me. I told her I was HIV pos for a long time and was having an issues with my meds. Well long story shot, she told my boss and his boss. All three conspired against me and I was let go a month later for "completely unrelated reasons". I tried to fight it in court and I was in fact proven correct, in emails they did discuss it and how to get rid of me but I still lost the case because shitty lawyers decided to part ways in the middle of it and sloppy work presented to the judge.

Speaking of shitty HR Directors, I once worked at a place where the Director took it upon herself to make everyone live more miserable around Christmas The new president of our department decided to give us one day extra off for Christmas. Well, Ms. Director of HR was working that day and walking around the building noticed our department was empty. Long story short, she went directly to the CEO with this unapproved atrocity. When we returned, we all got called into a company meeting and were told that the day off was not approved and "being generous" they deiced not to dock our pay but in exchange there would be NO more paid holidays for all full time employees. So we lost ALL our holidays because of that one nasty Cunt of HR in charge.