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College student complains that contractors hired to install radiators in were 'cisgender men'

99.9% of a chance that guy has a dudegash

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by Anonymousreply 175October 25, 2021 12:11 PM

JFC This is so ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 1October 19, 2021 5:00 AM

Right, because there are so many trans-owned HVAC businesses and contractors.

by Anonymousreply 2October 19, 2021 5:02 AM

I guess the alternative is to let zer/zim/zhey freeze to death in zeir dorm.

by Anonymousreply 3October 19, 2021 5:03 AM

How soon until we're done with this nonsense?

by Anonymousreply 4October 19, 2021 5:03 AM

How can these people survive on the world of they can’t even handle being around cis men?

by Anonymousreply 5October 19, 2021 5:05 AM

Drop the fucking T!!!

by Anonymousreply 6October 19, 2021 5:05 AM

They weren't curious to fuck the HVAC he-man?

Oberlin created its own demise about 15 years ago. Dug in to wokeness and it's collapsing. After the ridiculous law suits and the huge payouts.

Kids aren't stupid. It now has an acceptance rate of 35%. Hardly exclusive. Only the rich sparkle ponies find it attractive. Or mediocre POCs on full scholarship.

by Anonymousreply 7October 19, 2021 5:08 AM

Well, what if there were no trans contractors? Were they not going to install the radiators?

by Anonymousreply 8October 19, 2021 5:11 AM

You mean the Ts don't want men in their spaces?? Where have I heard something like that before?

by Anonymousreply 9October 19, 2021 5:13 AM

This person is clearly mentally ill. Stop cosigning the transsanity.

by Anonymousreply 10October 19, 2021 5:14 AM

This Oberlin student is mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 11October 19, 2021 5:14 AM

Jinx, r10

by Anonymousreply 12October 19, 2021 5:14 AM

This person identifies as male. If they are male, why are they terrified of other males?

by Anonymousreply 13October 19, 2021 5:15 AM

I want to know if that thing has a penis or a pussy? I just can't tell anymore.

by Anonymousreply 14October 19, 2021 5:16 AM

OBERLIN. Paradise of the mentally ill, along with Evergreen.

If this deranged person identifies as "male" and rants about "cis men" to specifically distinguish 'evil cis men' and 'other types of innocent, oppressed, vulnerable victim... men (cosplaying females) or males (identifying as women)']

She's 99.999% mentally ill, self-loathing woman, identifying as anything far away from who she actually is.

by Anonymousreply 15October 19, 2021 5:21 AM

[quote]Who knew clown college was so expensive now. Ringling Bros. could have stayed running a few more years with what @oberlincollege is charging to train its clowns.

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by Anonymousreply 16October 19, 2021 5:22 AM


by Anonymousreply 17October 19, 2021 5:23 AM

Love blue collar men. She’s a crazy bitch.

by Anonymousreply 18October 19, 2021 5:23 AM

Imagine having to teach these creatures? I'd much rather teach simpletons in a community college.

by Anonymousreply 19October 19, 2021 5:25 AM

Can you imagine what he’d be like on the Lewis and Clark expedition? He wouldn’t last a minute.

by Anonymousreply 20October 19, 2021 5:25 AM

It’s a FTM, trans-man, R14.

I’m glad to read that his demands were met with ridicule today on social media.

[quote] ‘Cisgender’ is a term used to describe someone whose gender identity is the same as the sex that they were assigned at birth.

I just wish the Daily Mail would’ve gotten this right instead of using the trans-biased definition of ‘cisgender’. Sex is not “assigned at birth,” it’s observed. And it’s not “at birth”, it happens at like 16 weeks into the pregnancy.

by Anonymousreply 21October 19, 2021 5:25 AM

Pretty sure female, R14, no Adam's apple, slight sloped shoulders and lives in safe space for women. Very reminiscent of Beatty's daughter although that kid does not need to be employable. This one might want to go back to Patricia in hopes of finding a job one day.

by Anonymousreply 22October 19, 2021 5:31 AM

The Lewis and Clark expedition R20?

I think a trip to Trader Joe's would push this kid over the edge.

by Anonymousreply 23October 19, 2021 5:36 AM

This story is truly horrifying. You can spend 80k a year on tuiition and you willingly choose to spend it in... OHIO?!

by Anonymousreply 24October 19, 2021 5:38 AM

The phrasing in the original article STRONGLY suggests zie has autism or is an Aspie:

[quote]I was angry, scared, and confused. Why didn’t the College complete the installation over the summer, when the building was empty? Why couldn’t they tell us precisely when the workers would be there? Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?

Someone should write a Counterpoint simply OUTRAGED that zie ASSUMED everyone on the crew was cis. There may have been a trans or non-binary person. More TRANS AND NON-BINARY ERASURE.

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by Anonymousreply 25October 19, 2021 5:45 AM

But isn't it a bit presumptuous for him to assume they were cis-gender men? The hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

by Anonymousreply 26October 19, 2021 5:50 AM

You beat me to it R26.

I was wondering how this was not discrimination against presumed cisgender men.

by Anonymousreply 27October 19, 2021 5:51 AM

blue collar workers MUST be cis and threats. Duh

by Anonymousreply 28October 19, 2021 5:55 AM

Well now her “personal space” will be cozy and warm during the cold Ohio winter, so there’s that.

by Anonymousreply 29October 19, 2021 5:58 AM

OP is a right-wing troll who linked to the Daily Mail

You freepers accuse others of being easily offended but you get outraged over a Daily Mail designed to stir shit up

by Anonymousreply 30October 19, 2021 5:58 AM

Who’s offended R30? We think she’s an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 31October 19, 2021 6:01 AM

R30 = “Freeper” media troll who screams MARY when she sees a source that’s not her liking.

by Anonymousreply 32October 19, 2021 6:05 AM

Well, Peter Fray-Witzer might as well just drop out right now and save having to complain about student loans, because any future employer is going to search his name online, and once they realize what a mentally ill loon he is, he can forget about working anywhere except McDonald's.

by Anonymousreply 33October 19, 2021 6:05 AM

"I steeled my spine and went to the safe space gender neutral recreational facility. I was very brave and exposed my genderless bodily unit to the public space and got into a pool. Then it happened. A CIS MAN, A HAIRY, MENACING CIS MAN POOL ATTENDANT was washing the bleachers and he looked at my body unit. HE LOOKED AT ME AND I FELT VIOLATED AND THREATENED AND COLONISED BY CIS HEGEMONY. No, SIR, I am not your droit de seigneur. I REFUSE. I hurried back to my safe space dormitory, hyperventilating, panicked, and I have a paper due tomorrow on the Fascist Dialectics of the Bikini in Mid 20th C Popular Culture. BUT I WAS LIVING MY OWN GENOCIDE. I COULD SMELL THE CISGENDER WORKERS WHO INVADED MY SAFE SPACE. THIS COLLEGE IS NOT THE SAFE SPACE IT PROMISED TO DELIVER."

by Anonymousreply 34October 19, 2021 6:06 AM

These types are going to die in the real world

by Anonymousreply 35October 19, 2021 6:29 AM

Hothouse flowers. They'll never leave "campus"- just become teachers.

by Anonymousreply 36October 19, 2021 6:37 AM

It's always Oberlin, isn't it.

by Anonymousreply 37October 19, 2021 6:39 AM

"Forget it, Jack/Jaclyn. It's Oberlin."

by Anonymousreply 38October 19, 2021 7:28 AM

One of my high school best friends went to Oberlin! Granted this was a bit over a decade ago, but they just seemed like standard hippies back then, not SJW freaks. The trans stuff entering public discourse at such a fast rate feels strange.

by Anonymousreply 39October 19, 2021 7:34 AM

This has gone on for far too long and must finally be stopped. I was assaulted by cis radiator maintenance men several times while a student at Oberlin. Why were radiators considered more important than the safe space I needed and was entitled to?

by Anonymousreply 40October 19, 2021 7:42 AM

[quote] He lives in Baldwin Cottage, a 'safe space for women and transgender students'

Why would a woman feel safe with transgender students?

Why wouldn't a transman go live in male housing?

So is this fake man admitting they aren't a real man and that there are differences between biological women and biological men that makes it less safe to have them in your single sex "safe spaces"?

[quote] Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?

How much time do you need? Were you planning on moving out while the work was done? Couldn't you just put a robe on?

by Anonymousreply 41October 19, 2021 8:10 AM

If trans men are men and trans women are women, why are they so threatened by "cisgender" people? If trans women want access to cis women's spaces and claim that is no threat to women, why is it threatening to trans for cis gender folks to have access to trans spaces? Are only trans allowed to feel threatened by cisgendered but if a woman feels threatened by a trans woman it's a hate crime?

by Anonymousreply 42October 19, 2021 8:59 AM

Cis is the new black.

by Anonymousreply 43October 19, 2021 9:23 AM

The problem here is that a stupid unthinking idiot wrote a stupid unthinking thing, which is then reported by a news outlet as if it is actually newsworthy.

Stupid unthinking people have been writing and saying stupid unthinking things since the dawn of time. It's just we're now in an age where these inane utterances are effortlessly broadcast via social media and easily gain traction.

by Anonymousreply 44October 19, 2021 9:23 AM

Person on the Land!

by Anonymousreply 45October 19, 2021 9:33 AM

This is something I'm genuinely curious about - how many transmen are able to enter the world of men, and interact with other men as a man? How many want to?

And for those that are afraid of cismen and want nothing to do with them - why the hell do they want to become men?

by Anonymousreply 46October 19, 2021 9:47 AM

R25 linked to the original article in the Oberlin Review, which has a ‘Leave a Comment’ button at the end. Only when you click on it, a pop-up tells you “The Review does not publish comments”.

An interesting reflection of the redundancy and refusal to hear other points of view embedded in the trans discourse.

by Anonymousreply 47October 19, 2021 9:55 AM

I hope this fool is in therapy.

by Anonymousreply 48October 19, 2021 10:05 AM

You don't ask for cisgender (hung) men to do construction / plumbing / etc. work in your house.

by Anonymousreply 49October 19, 2021 10:43 AM

There have always been people like this, they are nuts and inconsequential, and in the case of college students often grow up and grow out of being insufferable.

It's embarrassing that so many grown adults on Datalounge let themselves be manipulated by a rightwing tabloid rag like this into thinking what this kid did affects you in any way.

These stories appeal to the stupid and gullible who have been trained for years by the rightwing propaganda machine to believe that universities and higher education are the ruin of society, and now you're being fed these granular, insignificant, ridiculous and often completely inaccurate stories about single individuals of no consequence whatsoever, and told you should be SCARED and UPSET and ANGRY and should make sure you vote for the political party who will GET RID OF THESE RADICALS who are RUINING THE WORLD.

You'll defend your reaction until you're frothing at the mouth, but no, this idiot kid at college doing something stupid has no bearing on any of our lives at all.

The same people who fall for this shit will go to various DL threads and talk about how witty and intelligent DL is, but it's not. Datalounge is this now. We're mostly stupids and gullibles and the very literally mentally ill. There are entire threads that are nothing but two or three trolls too dumb to realize everyone else on the thread is a troll, too.

by Anonymousreply 50October 19, 2021 10:44 AM

So sad, too bad. If their fathers weren't cisgender these bitches wouldn't be here. The world is sick and getting sicker.

by Anonymousreply 51October 19, 2021 10:47 AM

Oh fuck off r50, I've read the actual article by this trans moron and it makes "Peter" sound even more ridiculous than the Daily Mail article did. R25 Linked it but it seems you don't actually read other people's posts.

[quote]Baldwin Cottage is the home of the Women and Trans Collective. The College website describes the dorm as “a close-knit community that provides women and transgendered persons with a safe space for discussion, communal living, and personal development.” Cisgender men are not allowed to live on the second and third floors, and many residents choose not to invite cisgender men to that space.

Right, so it's ok to be uncomfortable with people because of their gender and not want them in your space if you're trans, but if you're "cis" you must be condemned to being burnt at the stake if you say you don't feel safe in your own private space or a space reserved for your actual, real gender - not your imagined one - if people of the other gender enter it. Ok!

[quote]The next day, I waited apprehensively. The workers began installing in common spaces, and I could see immediately that they were all men. It was clear that the College had not made a special request that male workers not be allowed onto the upper floors of Baldwin. Predicting when they would reach my room was pure guesswork. I was trying to anticipate whether I would be in class when they arrived, or if I’d have to welcome strangers into my room only to be ejected to allow them space to work.

What the fuck does this person think they are if they don't identify as a man and therefore also consider themselves a man?

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by Anonymousreply 53October 19, 2021 11:01 AM

"You'll Never Guess What Happened: When I sliced off my tits and took years of hormones to look like the man that I am. My college nightmare story."

by Anonymousreply 54October 19, 2021 11:06 AM

The best thing the company involved could do is inform the poor student that none of the workers involved identify as men.

by Anonymousreply 55October 19, 2021 11:16 AM

She couldn't have expected them to be trans. They're plumbers, not prostitutes.

by Anonymousreply 56October 19, 2021 11:18 AM

OBVIOUSLY Oberlin should have hired an all female crew from 1000 miles away and put them up in an expensive "safe space" "gender neutral" B&B in Oberlin Ohio for the two months of the job, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Anything less is cisgender hegemony and rape, literally rape and genocide of trans people who were PROMISED A SAFE SPACE.

by Anonymousreply 57October 19, 2021 11:22 AM

It's such a shock that the right-wing tabloid media picked up some piece of shit story out of Oberlin and everyone went crazy hating on it.

by Anonymousreply 58October 19, 2021 11:22 AM

Why not have some fun with the ridiculousness of it?

by Anonymousreply 59October 19, 2021 11:25 AM

Congress is hemming and hauling and will probably dump the idea of free community college and that is life-changing to some strata of our society. Meanwhile Sparkle Pony Hot House Flowerina is having a grand mal seizure at their 80K a year luxury country club of safe spaces because a repairman fixed their radiator. It's impossible to resist!


by Anonymousreply 60October 19, 2021 11:29 AM

This is fun? Some fun.

by Anonymousreply 61October 19, 2021 11:31 AM

Either it's an acute case of dudegash, or he was angry because a real person dared to intrude into his sissyporn/futanari gooner cave...

by Anonymousreply 62October 19, 2021 11:32 AM

If it's not fun to snark about frivolous prima-donnarisms, why are you on DL?

by Anonymousreply 63October 19, 2021 11:35 AM

"Hemming and HAULING," R60? Oh, dear! Let's hope this was an error made by your cell phone.

It's hemming and HAWING, for your future reference.

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by Anonymousreply 64October 19, 2021 11:40 AM

Imagine being a professor, dean, lowly library clerk or classroom cleaner, or classmate, having to walk on eggshells around this supreme cuntress. They is getting appropropriate reaction, now. Perhaps will learn from it.

by Anonymousreply 65October 19, 2021 11:41 AM

Because it's part of the right-wing media's campaign to make the left seem ridiculous. So they'll cherry pick this nothing story about a bunch of teenagers in the middle of nowhere being bratty and dumb and make it seem like This Is The Left!! Glen Greenwald said it flat-out.

I guess it's funny but don't think there isn't an agenda behind it.

by Anonymousreply 66October 19, 2021 11:41 AM

I see your point. Nevertheless they right is a lost cause, we can't control what they use to justify their fascism, and the left IS pursuing this silliness.

by Anonymousreply 67October 19, 2021 11:44 AM

This wouldn't happen in a brothel in Thailand! Now excuse me while I resume reading "A Compendium of the Minor Heresies of the Twelfth Century in Asia Minor."

by Anonymousreply 68October 19, 2021 11:44 AM

Trans women are fighting and bullying to get into female safe spaces but not trans men.

Nothing to see here.

by Anonymousreply 69October 19, 2021 11:48 AM

How did s/he know that the worker was a cis man? Did they asked him how he identifies? Isn't they transphobic? Or did they assumed that he is a cis man cause he looked like a "man"? Isn't that transphobic?

by Anonymousreply 70October 19, 2021 11:53 AM

[quote] And for those that are afraid of cismen and want nothing to do with them - why the hell do they want to become men?

I have the same kind of question for vegans who wear fake fur and eat fake meat. If it’s so gross, why would you even want to pretend to do it?

by Anonymousreply 71October 19, 2021 12:01 PM

R49 I've been using the same pair of lesbians for years. I'd hire anybody, but they are fast and do great work.

by Anonymousreply 72October 19, 2021 12:01 PM

These college students aren't The Left. They probably hate the likes of Pelosi and Schumer more than right-wingers do. AOC voted for the military budget so she got shit about that from kids like these. You all think in cliches.

by Anonymousreply 73October 19, 2021 12:02 PM

R50 Real men find this shit funny.

by Anonymousreply 74October 19, 2021 12:06 PM

R71 There's no such thing as fake meat.

by Anonymousreply 75October 19, 2021 12:06 PM

People like this cunt have issues with working class people in general. I remember attending a college lecture where the professor was visibly squirming in anguish, because an electrician was in the classroom during the lecture to fix some lights. This professor even made a derogatory remark about working class men after the electrician had left the classroom.

by Anonymousreply 76October 19, 2021 12:19 PM

So, do I have this right? Trans men who feel threatened by cis men invading their safe spaces expect to be accommodated, and cis women who feel threatened by trans women invading their safe spaces are expected to be accommodating?


by Anonymousreply 77October 19, 2021 12:27 PM

[quote]Meanwhile Sparkle Pony Hot House Flowerina is having a grand mal seizure at their 80K a year luxury country club of safe spaces because a repairman fixed their radiator.

Stealing this, thx doll. BTW, “grand maul.”

by Anonymousreply 78October 19, 2021 12:31 PM

R78 Grand mall.

by Anonymousreply 79October 19, 2021 12:38 PM

[quote] And for those that are afraid of cismen and want nothing to do with them - why the hell do they want to become men?

r46 Most FTMs have extreme self-loathing internal misogyny, hating womanhood (ex. desperate to erase the word 'woman' everywhere like pregnancy, etc.) and symbols of women (ex. desperate to chop their tits off).

Their wanting to become men = extreme hatred of womanhood. Of course everything is all about fake 'appearing, pretending'.

by Anonymousreply 80October 19, 2021 12:39 PM

r76 Exactly. They proudly show off their contempt. Like this trans and non-binary Bowdoin professor who wrote her rant on NYT (during pandemic lockdown I think) with such contempt for service workers and their... misgendering.

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by Anonymousreply 81October 19, 2021 12:45 PM

Two choices: Either allow workers who know what they're doing to fix your radiator or be cold.

Frankly, I hope they choose cold and freeze themselves in solidarity.

by Anonymousreply 82October 19, 2021 12:47 PM

Somebody needs to tell him to man up already.

by Anonymousreply 83October 19, 2021 12:54 PM

R50, it's not one crazy individual. It's institutions and ideology that enables or encourages them. Oberlin gives them this ridiculously defined safe space to live in, the student newspaper publishes this insane rant as something to be taken seriously and which is supposed to enlighten all who read it. And finally there is at least a decade of ideology behind all this which makes this makes this individual think they are justified in behaving like this.

by Anonymousreply 84October 19, 2021 12:57 PM

Peter Fray-Witzer looks too much like Harry Potter to have been born anything but female.

The only people who look like that are lesbians, FTM transmen, and Daniel Radcliffe.

by Anonymousreply 85October 19, 2021 1:17 PM

Well to be honest R85, I looked a lot like that as an undergraduate. I was 70s twink central.

by Anonymousreply 86October 19, 2021 1:22 PM

She’s upset because when he bent down to fix the radiator she saw ass crack with hair on it!

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by Anonymousreply 88October 19, 2021 2:18 PM

SO where's the link?

by Anonymousreply 89October 19, 2021 2:21 PM

Here's an alternate link, r89, if the OP's link doesn't work.

Someone needs to let her know those frames are far too large for her face.

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by Anonymousreply 90October 19, 2021 2:24 PM

It’s OK to identify as a man, or be a man trapped in a woman’s body, or take testosterone to appear as a man, but you can’t actually BE male. OK.

by Anonymousreply 91October 19, 2021 2:24 PM

The link is posted in R52.

by Anonymousreply 92October 19, 2021 2:24 PM

I didn’t realize this was a duplicate thread, copy/pasting my comment from the new thread:

[quote]Why didn’t the College complete the installation over the summer, when the building was empty? Why couldn’t they tell us precisely when the workers would be there? Why were they only notifying us the day before the installation was due to begin?


[quote]The workers began installing in common spaces, and I could see immediately that they were all men. It was clear that the College had not made a special request that male workers not be allowed onto the upper floors of Baldwin. Predicting when they would reach my room was pure guesswork.


[quote]I asked meekly if I could actually not have a radiator installed in my dorm. I knew the answer was no before I had even said it, but hey — worth a shot.


[quote]I couldn’t help but think that, [bold]though there were other dorms affected by the installation[/bold], Baldwin Cottage was one of the worst places for it to occur. There are myriad reasons to want to be housed in Baldwin Cottage, but many people — myself included — choose to live there for an added degree of privacy and a feeling of safety and protection. A significant portion of students choose to live in Baldwin because they are victims of sexual assault or abuse, have suffered past invasions of privacy, or have some other reason to fear cisgender men.

Considering teams of female radiator installers don’t exist the alternative is no radiator which means no heat this winter. I understand not wanting strangers in your home/dorm but to prefer being cold all winter to having a functioning radiator installed by a man is bonkers. Leave the door open or invite friends over so you aren’t alone if you’re that uncomfortable.

Unless all of the residents of this dorm are taking classes in plumbing, heating & cooling, electrical training, cable installation, etc. they are in for a surprise when they join the rest of us in the real world.

by Anonymousreply 93October 19, 2021 3:39 PM

I had a plumber come yesterday to fix my kitchen sink. I presume that he was a cis male based on his mannerisms and presentation. Should I be upset? He seemed nice enough, and did a good job. I didn't feel unsafe, but should I have? He was professional, and did the job quickly and neatly, but now I am wondering if I have been violated.

Of course, I am assuming that he was a cis male, I didn't ask him. Does my assumption that he was cis make me a cis-ist, it never crossed my mind that he might not be? Does my after the fact questioning of my safety, despite that fact that nothing happened, mean that I have a bias against cis males? Is that bad, having a bias against someone based on their identity, or is it okay since cis males historically oppress everyone else?

I've never been so confused.

by Anonymousreply 94October 19, 2021 3:39 PM

"There’s a man in here…"

by Anonymousreply 95October 19, 2021 3:43 PM

He looks exactly like I expected him to look.

by Anonymousreply 96October 19, 2021 3:59 PM

I just want to add that my quotes are from the original source, not the Daily Mail (not that anyone cares)

[quote][bold]I understand, of course, that installations like this are routine[/bold]; the College needs to improve its facilities occasionally, and who am I to stand in the way of that? After all, I get a brand-spanking-new radiator, right in time for the cold weather. But why not finish the project during the four months of the summer semester, when the building was unoccupied? Why not alert us earlier to the intrusion? Why didn’t the College make a schedule detailing when the workers would be likely to arrive at each dorm and in each room? They should have taken measures to keep students comfortable and safe — especially those who have elected to live in a specifically designated safe space.

Why? Because life doesn't work that way. As inconvenient as it may be, money, materials and worker availability don't revolve around us. I can't imagine being this self absorbed.

[quote]Four or five construction workers stood outside, accompanied by someone who I could only assume — by his neat polo and clipboard — to be an emissary of the College.

OT but this sentence bugs me. 1) HVAC technicians and construction workers are two different things; 2) most contractors wear collared shirts or button down shirts these days and the foreman of a crew often carries a clip board. Has anyone else noticed how much contractors have changed in recent years? They're so put together.

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by Anonymousreply 97October 19, 2021 3:59 PM

I still don't understand how did he know that the plumbers were cis men? Did he asked them? Did he assume cause they look like men that they are men? Either way, very close minded of him.

by Anonymousreply 98October 19, 2021 4:04 PM

Men don’t have these thoughts or act like this.

Women act like this ALL THE TIME

You might be hopped up on make hormones, but your shrieking and neurotic female brain remains hon.

by Anonymousreply 99October 19, 2021 4:09 PM

[quote] In general, I am very averse to people entering my personal space. This anxiety was compounded by the fact that the crew would be strangers, and they were more than likely to be cisgender men.

Clearly this privileged little ninny has never lived in an apartment, where the owner, inspectors, and maintenance men can "enter your personal space" any time they want.

You want to be free from cis repair men? Buy your own fucking house, and fix all your shit yourself, or hire all the trannies you want.

Until then, take your meds and take a seat, Toots.

by Anonymousreply 100October 19, 2021 4:26 PM

This is why they/I hate us.

by Anonymousreply 101October 19, 2021 4:41 PM

I think someone needs to check their privilege. Most of us don't have the option of electing to live in a specifically designated safe space. Most of us have to navigate a world that is sometimes hostile, not always safe, and that requires us to interact with people that don't share our views or values.

by Anonymousreply 102October 19, 2021 4:56 PM

Unfuckable moron. Your personal space is very safe, nobody wants it.

by Anonymousreply 103October 19, 2021 5:20 PM

R101, I hate they.

by Anonymousreply 104October 19, 2021 5:39 PM

R47 the comments on the story in the Oberlin Review are open and filled with disparaging remarks about the article or its author.

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by Anonymousreply 105October 19, 2021 6:24 PM

My favorite comment:

[quote] It's remarkable watching such an open bigot pretend to be the victim here.

by Anonymousreply 106October 19, 2021 6:27 PM

Self important little twat

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by Anonymousreply 107October 19, 2021 7:05 PM

Coddled little flower, family must have $$$ to produce such an entitled narcissist at such a young age. I know someone who went to Oberlin and who got aid, but Peter/Peta reeks of overcoddled wealth.

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by Anonymousreply 108October 19, 2021 7:09 PM

R90 what illiterate content farmer wrote that drivel? It doesn't even make sense.

by Anonymousreply 109October 19, 2021 7:18 PM

[quote] [R78] Grand mall.

It’s in the basement.

by Anonymousreply 110October 19, 2021 7:31 PM

What kind of job/life is out there for Peterr/Peta post graduation? There have always been LUGs at these schools but chopping your tits off is a bit extra. The dudes in wigs seem to do ok in IT, what happens to these types if your father is not Warren Beatty?

Wish my school had been so attentive re: maintenance, OH gets COLD.

by Anonymousreply 111October 19, 2021 7:53 PM

Can you imagine the contractors, just trying to get their work done as fast as possible to get the hell out of that nuthouse before they were accused of "literal rape" for installing radiators?

by Anonymousreply 112October 19, 2021 7:55 PM

I hope the actual exchange went something like Joey and Jane in Warhol's Trash. Joey is hot street trade junkie and Jane is the "rich newlywed" girl OUTRAGED (in a droll dead affect way) that the dirty trash man is going to rob and rape her, and pissed off that Joey doesn't want to rape her.

" Do you REALLY rape girls? What's your whole approach? How do you do it? Remember if my husband comes in we went to HS together in Grosse Point."

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by Anonymousreply 113October 19, 2021 8:06 PM

"Why not alert us earlier to the intrusion? Why didn’t the College make a schedule detailing when the workers would be likely to arrive at each dorm and in each room? They should have taken measures to keep students comfortable and safe"

Of course there's always the option of leaving your room for a few minutes, so you feel safe and the maintenance guy can do the job he was hired to do. Go to a common room for a few minutes, why don't you, or maybe go outside and enjoy the autumn for a few minutes?

Is this person a serious agoraphobe as well as trans?

by Anonymousreply 114October 19, 2021 8:12 PM

Sparkle Pony went to the Botany Department to demand rare organic sage from the high ground of Native American reservations. Only to discover Oberlin folded their Botany and Plant Biology Department and gave the lovely century old building to a safe space study center for Subaltern Discourses in the Spanish Inquisition.

by Anonymousreply 115October 19, 2021 8:18 PM

LOL, R113! I haven’t seen that film in so long, I forgot about so many of its bon mots. Hopefully a blu ray comes out soon.

As for the subject of the OP: I have to say, I can see why she transitioned. Look at that mouth and nose. That would’ve been one fuuuuuugly girl.

by Anonymousreply 116October 19, 2021 8:21 PM

You know its accurate. It's lose lose with rich bitch fetishists like this one. "They" feel terribly unsafe and vulnerable around a heathen working class cisman, yet are seething with resentment and hurt the cisman doesn't desire "them", be the cis hetero or homo. No win situation.

by Anonymousreply 117October 19, 2021 8:26 PM

Especially threatening

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by Anonymousreply 118October 19, 2021 8:32 PM

Thank you, R102! Like I say, people are blind to the privileges they have, and some are so blind that they have the chutzpah to go around acting like they are somehow underprivileged when the opposite is true. A student at a posh private university complaining that a maintenance person is cis is like a rich kid complaining that his parents bought him the wrong color sports car.

Go talk to anyone who's poor or just getting by, ask them how many "safe spaces" they have access to, and the answer is none. Being able to live without being afraid of the people around you is an upper-income privilege, and these kids take it totally for granted.

by Anonymousreply 119October 19, 2021 8:34 PM

Good links to other Oberlin dramas here.

Peter/Peta the snowflake is now a laughingstock of the world. I have seen the story on Twitter in several languages. Maybe zhir will have a learning experience. Or double down on victimhood?

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by Anonymousreply 120October 19, 2021 8:44 PM

Will Oprah or Andy Cohen be interviewing the student soon?

by Anonymousreply 121October 19, 2021 9:15 PM

[quote]I guess it's funny but don't think there isn't an agenda behind it.

Of course there is, and it lumps LGB in with T and non-binary.

Which makes it even more important that LGB people point, hoot, and mock as well.

by Anonymousreply 122October 20, 2021 1:15 AM

If she thinks she is a man why be afraid or threatened by men, doesn’t she exercise her trans privilege of invading the space of others like other FTM.

by Anonymousreply 123October 20, 2021 1:31 AM

Is Lens the most famous alum of Oberlin?

by Anonymousreply 124October 20, 2021 6:18 AM

Of course.

by Anonymousreply 125October 20, 2021 6:37 AM

Oberlin alumni

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by Anonymousreply 126October 20, 2021 8:54 PM

Alison Bechdel & Liz Phair?

by Anonymousreply 127October 20, 2021 8:56 PM


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by Anonymousreply 128October 20, 2021 9:08 PM

this story is getting national press....the stupid kid just had this incident permanently linked to his name. He needs to change his name if he ever wants to get a job.

by Anonymousreply 129October 20, 2021 9:11 PM

Doesn't this person's use of the term cis in their own opinion piece invalidate the argument that trans men are men, and trans women are women. How does the delineation of a cis person, used in any context validate their claim that they are in fact exactly the same as the gender they want to claim? How are both possible at the same time?

by Anonymousreply 130October 20, 2021 9:25 PM

This person is going to lead a sad existence if THIS is problematic.

by Anonymousreply 131October 20, 2021 9:28 PM

OMG Lens went to Oberlin?

nuff said.

by Anonymousreply 132October 20, 2021 9:31 PM

She can always back to being a fugly neurotic hysterical woman r129

Oh wait…

by Anonymousreply 133October 20, 2021 9:39 PM

As others have said, this sorta proves that XX and XY, no matter how one later identifies, have very different experiential baselines as they wade through the murky waters of life. And this difference needs to be respected. (ie when bio women get a little peeved when transwomen say "transwomen are women", let's not call that transphobic. Let's call it reality.).

No bio male, even femme gay ones, would ever consider the danger of a male blue collar worker in their space without any viable reason. (And simply being male is decidedly not a viable reason.)

Why? Because rape isn't something men fear on any sort of instinctual level. Men are not hardwired to worry about that at all. Because it almost never happens to men.

But women, very justifiably, do.

by Anonymousreply 134October 20, 2021 10:06 PM

Even a woman with her tits lopped off

That pussy is always vulnerable to a blue collar cock

by Anonymousreply 135October 20, 2021 10:13 PM

[quote]...the danger of a male blue collar worker....

That is just breathtakingly bigoted and classist. What a vile and ignorant statement, R134.

You're not just disgusting, you're stupid. There's enough in the media on a daily basis about domestic violence and sexual harassment for any educated person not to make that statement. Harvey Weinstein is blue collar? Brett Kavanaugh is blue collar? Clarence Thomas? Bill Cosby? Ted Bundy worked in west coast politics and government.

Male blue collar worker. With that statement, you told us everything we need to know about you. None of it is good.

by Anonymousreply 136October 20, 2021 10:32 PM

Old time engineer Elisha Gray was HOT. I'd have quite happily welcomed him into my safe space to repair my radiator.

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by Anonymousreply 137October 20, 2021 10:39 PM

[quote]I guess it could have been Reed.

At least Reed backs up its freakiness with academic rigor (although, predictably, students have protested the core curriculum for being too Western).

by Anonymousreply 138October 20, 2021 10:47 PM

You haven't experienced true anger until you've worked with one of these precious kids in the real world. I'm a lefty, liberal, out gay man. I've worked with all types of people. But never have I worked with such self-centered, narcissistic fuckwads as Oberlin graduates. Now, I worked with and was friends with some 1970s and 1980s grads and they were cool. But the current crop needs to be dropped into a volcano.

by Anonymousreply 139October 20, 2021 10:59 PM

This whole issue reminds me of this from South Park

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by Anonymousreply 140October 20, 2021 11:25 PM

I miss the relative sanity of Mattress Girl

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by Anonymousreply 141October 20, 2021 11:51 PM

What a stupid little fuck.

She was given notice and had time to arrange for a friend, relative, dorm mate or dorm resident adviser to come over when the contractors arrived.

The money spent on tuition would be best spent on therapy.

by Anonymousreply 142October 21, 2021 12:01 AM

Imagine what would have happened if one of the contractors had to use the bathroom.

by Anonymousreply 143October 21, 2021 12:07 AM

Child, please.

I'd have put on the Pointer Sisters "Steam Heat" and given the enire floor of workmen a show.

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by Anonymousreply 144October 21, 2021 12:08 AM

It bothers me that so many young people are trying to "become a wo/man", with no real understanding of how the sex they identify as lives or feels. And when "cis-men" or "cis-women" fail to align with what the transperson thinks their sex should be, they're attacked for being transphobic.

These people who don't want to be the sex they were born to be but who understand the sex they want to be ...should just become nonbinary. Sure, the whole nonbinary thing is a silly idea, but it does no harm to change your pronouns and dress weird, not like irreversible surgery and dangerous hormones.

by Anonymousreply 145October 21, 2021 2:01 AM

This college student proves beyond a doubt why trans women should never be allowed in women's bathrooms, women's prisons, women's changing rooms, or any space for women. Women have fear of men in women's spaces, even if the women happen to call themselves trans men. Even trans "men" fear men because trans men are not men just like trans women are not women. Trans men are women. That's why trans men fear men. That's why trans men don't want to go to men's prisons, play men's sports, or use the men's bathroom. Trans women are men hellbent on invading women's spaces and just fine with making women feel unsafe. Trans women are doing the opposite of trans men, who are not wanting to invade men's spaces because they know they can't escape biological facts that make women unsafe around men. Trans men are actually terrified of being around real men. This student has proven to the world how trans really think and the logic works against the trans movement in every way possible by exposing the truth.

by Anonymousreply 146October 21, 2021 2:08 AM

why seek to join the gender that terrifies you?

by Anonymousreply 147October 21, 2021 3:52 AM

I don't really understand non-binary. So they think they are neither gender? Which gender do they date then?

by Anonymousreply 148October 21, 2021 5:44 AM

Non-binary people are just attention whores

by Anonymousreply 149October 21, 2021 5:48 AM

Remember your pronouns? I never even learned your name.

by Anonymousreply 150October 21, 2021 5:50 AM

R145 has a great point. Non-binary just reduces all this to a life stage and temporary fad, like Goth shit which it resembles. It's better than cutting off healthy breasts or dicks and balls.

Let's all play along that Non-binary is a real thing until it goes away.

by Anonymousreply 151October 21, 2021 8:46 AM

The workers probably didn’t feel comfortable being around funny looking and mentally unstable rich kids either.

by Anonymousreply 152October 21, 2021 4:17 PM

This is a failure of the entire "gender counseling " profession. If the kid's goal was to have all the male privileges, including being accepted as a man by other men and losing the constant fear that some claim is the lot of womankind, then the transition has failed. If the goal was to just stop being a woman, going genderqueer or nonbinary would have accomplished as much, without the irreversible and expensive surgery or hormones.

This is why minors shouldn't be allowed to transition, nor should anyone who doesnt understand the limitations of the medical transition process.. Anyone who is unhappy or hates themselves needs counseling, and that counseling needs to focus on alternatives to transition, because the transition isn't going to make you confident, beloved, or happy.

by Anonymousreply 153October 21, 2021 10:46 PM

What R149 said x 1,000,000

by Anonymousreply 154October 21, 2021 11:23 PM

True dat R152.

I doubt any of the workers were undressing these kids with their eyes.

by Anonymousreply 155October 21, 2021 11:25 PM

Perhaps the goal should be being functional, R153.

by Anonymousreply 156October 21, 2021 11:26 PM

The whole problem with the trans movement is it negates the "born this way" argument gay people have fought for all these years.

You can't be born some way if you have to have surgery to remove or add things to your body.

by Anonymousreply 157October 22, 2021 5:48 AM

[quote]The whole problem with the trans movement is it negates the "born this way" argument gay people have fought for all these years.

No, it doesn't. Gender identity and sexual orientation are two entirely different things.

by Anonymousreply 158October 22, 2021 6:05 AM


No penis=not male

by Anonymousreply 159October 22, 2021 6:10 AM

So, did this dorm not have any urinals in the bathroom?

by Anonymousreply 160October 22, 2021 9:35 AM

Bitch could be the "artist of the change" and become a trans/non-binary/whatever fad of the moment is... contractor.

But no, because it's beneath her. Any work is beneath that kind of trash. Well except begging money on twitter.

by Anonymousreply 161October 22, 2021 9:44 AM

XX or XY and NO surgery, makeup, costumes or delusions can change that.

by Anonymousreply 162October 22, 2021 4:40 PM

I read a trans guide for teens in which the author claimed to be an expert on the subject because she had “transitioned” between being a man and being a woman FIVE TIMES.

by Anonymousreply 163October 23, 2021 3:31 PM

R80 I work with a number of FtMs. Less than a generation ago they all would have "identified as" butch lesbians (and most of them did up until the point they transitioned). I like your points.

by Anonymousreply 164October 23, 2021 3:33 PM

I didn’t realize Harry Potter was a lesbian style type. It make sense. They used to really idolize Justin Bieber’s early look.

by Anonymousreply 165October 24, 2021 1:32 AM

The kid’s parents are lawyers in Boston. She most likely grew up in a protective bubble and now expects the real world to be a protective shelter too.

by Anonymousreply 166October 24, 2021 2:27 AM

She looks like she wants to be a young Joseph Gordon Levitt, but is way too unattractive. I bet she attempts to makeout with the pretty girls in the "safe space" and is just nervous the contractors might accidentally remind the girls what a real man is like. The contractors are too much competition and a real reminder of what she'll never be.

by Anonymousreply 167October 24, 2021 7:35 AM

I hope xe never gets taken to a gay sex party by a friend, and comes to the realization that no-one there wants to fuck shiz "front-hole" (or back-hole, for that matter.) The wailing and histrionics would echo throughout the universe.

by Anonymousreply 168October 24, 2021 1:30 PM

This is all new to me because I had no idea trans FTM have a huge issue with cismen.

by Anonymousreply 169October 24, 2021 4:45 PM

Because FTMs are really hysterical dykes r169

by Anonymousreply 170October 24, 2021 6:30 PM

FTM have a huge problem with "cis" men, but nowhere near as big of a problem MTF have with "cis" women. The trans' jealous resentment of the very gender they want to become is very telling. MTF have been attempting to cause problems for women for years. This recent incident is just a glimpse of the trouble FTM will cause for males, given the chance.

by Anonymousreply 171October 25, 2021 1:33 AM

Please r171…FTM still have a gash between their legs and will fold up at any opposition.

I’d love to see Chase Strangio being confronted by an actual man, alone and there’s nobody to hear her cries for help.

by Anonymousreply 172October 25, 2021 2:26 AM

Many T are on the autism spectrum. Not sure how this one will survive the real world.

by Anonymousreply 173October 25, 2021 3:50 AM

R172 you're proving why no one with a dick should be in women's spaces. A lot of men think like you, including trans women.

by Anonymousreply 174October 25, 2021 8:27 AM

I have no desire to invade women’s spaces r174

Also, delusional women with a dried up pussy who pretend to be men do not belong in men’s spaces either

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