Is Rapp walking back his claims against Spacey?

I've heard those rumors about Rapp before...

I see Spacey’s legal team are already here. You can try to discredit the accuser all you like (one of MULTIPLE) but there’s no getting around the fact Spacey is a bona fide creep and, by all accounts, a predatory sociopath.

I sort of believed him until he compared himself to Virginia Rappe and Spacey to Fatty Arbuckle.

[R3] Rapp compared himself to Virginia Rappe? I missed that development.

[quote] Rapp compared himself to Virginia Rappe? I missed that development.

That’s a joke. 😉

We just don’t like you Kevin.

Leave Kevin alone. He doesn't want to act anymore. He's happily working as the headmaster of an all boys middle school in Spain these days.

I don’t see how the events in the court papers differ from what Rapp’s said for years: that Spacey lay him on the bed and then lay down on top of him.

What am I missing?

[quote]...and, by all accounts, a predatory sociopath.

No, dear. Not by all accounts. By yours, yes, certainly. But there are many, many, people who are not convinced of these allegations by a not very credible plaintiff.

I seem to recall a certain RENT actor in Toronto being very *cough* friendly *cough* to young fans . Of course I. could of have read that somewhere 🤣

Like a bride. Please. He wishes!

Two actors, going 'round in circles.

"You wanted me."

"No, you wanted me."

"N0, YOU WANTED ME!"

"N0, YOU WANTED ME!"

R9 Any credibility with all the others?

R13, NONE of those people are involved in Rapp's law suit. Not a one.

He should do the next Bezos space flight. Can you imagine the headlines? "Spacey in Space".

R14 Yeah, Rapp aside what about the others? Any credibility? There are at least 30 public accusations leveled against the Spacey, but you knew that already.

R16, can you read the title to this thread?

[quote] that Spacey lay him on the bed and then lay down on top of him. What am I missing?

That nothing criminal happened. A young girl did it to King David in the Bible because he was cold and near death.

R17 Nothing was walked back.

Thie linked “investigative website” is nothing more than a PR device questioning any #metoo allegation, but it seems to have a special focus on Spacey.

Let the legal proceedings begin. The prosecution will have countless others, some who have not yet come forward, to substantiate the claims. Good luck Kevin.

Peculiar success on the part of hollywood / media to put the secondary ‘bad guy’ referential person for #metoo onto a gay man.

Rapp's need to be the center of attention and make everything about how special he is is too desperate for me. I like having some air to breathe when I'm in the same room with someone 😹

I hate the cancel culture but, honestly, there's no need for Kevin Spacey to make a comeback. He's an asshole who should just stay away.

I just read the comments at the end. This one is great. Friend of the boyfriend rapp beat up 🙃 "I know Todd, and I am grateful for this article." Ouch! That's gotta hurt

I would pay good money never to see either of these people again.

Rapp beat someone up? I find that hard to believe, he's such a dainty thing.

[quote] I like having some air to breathe when I'm in the same room with someone

R93 So do 14 year old boys when an adult man is laying on top of them on a bed.

Spacey's PR reps working overtime again I see.

Can't figure out if it's Spacey's team, or just some guy who's Playbill Rapp refused to sign,

The funny thing about all the comments at that weird site is they’re all 100% raves for the article. Why, that’s not suspicious at all!

What IS “The IO Mag” anyway?? How would people even find it?

It’s bizarre that Rapp thinks he should get 40 million dollars for this nothing incident. He probably wouldn’t even remember this happened ( if it DID happen) if Spacey hadn’t became a star.

What?!! Rapp was in a play where the father picked him up and then lay down on him? What?!!!

Can they both go away now?

It's hilarious how Rapp tries to turn the act of picking him up into something salacious and sexual. I literally reenacted it - doing what he says was done - where and how his hands were. That's exactly how you would pick someone up whether you were Rhett & Scarlett or Rhett & his grandmother.

Spacey was literally drunkenly trying to recreate the scene in the play and accidentally fell on top of him. No kissing, no touching of genitalia, , no sexual advance whatsoever

Now what the fuck was Rapp doing sitting on the edge of Spaceys bed in the first place? Just weird. If Rapp had been Female that would be a question the media would have asked. Instead they went into full condemnation mode

“At least when I fooled around with my friends Christopher and Stephen, masturbating together and occasionally going down on each other, we had talked before and after, and sometimes during.”-Anthony Rapp, describing some of his sexual activities at age 14”

🤮 TMI. Anthony Rapp is so gross and clearly not in his right mind to think anyone would want to know about that.

Yeah, but was Anthony also 14 at the time? Because I've heard a few stories at the backstage door at the Nederlander that say differently.

R29 I'd agree execpt I can't see anyone working with him ever again 😜

I keep waiting for one of those RENT boys to come forward

I still haven’t heard why Rapp was at Spacey’s apartment. How did he hear about the party? Why did his parents let him roam the city alone at night?

[quote]R41 I still haven’t heard why Rapp was at Spacey’s apartment. How did he hear about the party?

I think he was at a benefit function (Broadway Bowls?) and a lot of people went to Spacey’s house afterwards. He got bored because there was no one else his age there, and he went into a side room alone to watch TV.

That’s where Spacey found him after the others had left… and pounced.

Oh please, R42. Rapp was an ugly little troll. Still is.

[quote]R33 What?!! Rapp was in a play where the father picked him up and then lay down on him? What?!!!

No. That’s not what happens in the play. I saw it on my first trip to NYC.

It’s basically about a disfunctional marriage. The parents argue a lot, but are also in love. They’re “passionate,” “volatile,” etc. They have two teenage sons and differing dreams for them.

Anyway, near the end the younger son is taking a nap on the couch, covered with a knitted quilt or something. The dad comes home and mistakes the figure for his wife and curls up around him… but shock and hilarity ensue when he realizes it’s the wrong person!

I think he might carry the sleepy boy upstairs… after some culminating scene with the wife in which they reconcile a previous argument or whatever.

Very good acting, a kind of good but so-so script.

Here’s a synopsis:

[quote][italic] This finely wrought autobiographical drama is about a Chicago family's financial struggles in the late 1940's. Fred Small has a chance for a promotion that would necessitate moving to another city. The youngest son is caught between his desire to be an actor and his father's determination that he finish high school and go to college. Bea, the wife and mother, has her own ideas about how the family should be run. Ed Harris and Judith Ivey starred as Fred and Bea in the Broadway premiere.

I read the article - the fight - I guess it's more like a beating, with the ex-boyfriend did happen, but his name wasn't Todd (is it public knowledge here who 'Todd' really is? I'll spill that too, if not). It's been a lot of years, but I am pretty sure they got back together after that.

It's weird, I was on the whole periphery of the Anthony Rapp in Rent phenomenon. He was a friend of two of my friends - one of whom was 15/16 at the time. My other friend and I were convinced Anthony wanted to fuck him - I don't think anything ever happened - my friend would have told me if it did It was definitely a vibe the other two of us had. I referred to the beating above as - the fight, because that's how it was framed to my friends and since they were on the team, that's how it was repeated. It definitely was a beat down.

The last time I saw Anthony he hugged me and it was the weirdest hug I think I ever had from anyone.

Anyway, not saying that Spacey is innocent, but Anthony Rapp is questionable too from my own personal experience.

[quote] But there are many, many, people who are not convinced of these allegations by a not very credible plaintiff.

"Many, many people", my ass. You must be part of Spacey's legal team. Spacey's a creepy perv. Always was.

Oy. Look… the fact that Spacey‘s employer Netflix ordered him to undergo sexual harassment awareness training because he was fondling crew members on the HOUSE OF CARDS set really tells you about all you need to know. He was in his 50s (?) at that point and knew what professional behavior is expected to be.

He’s a mess, and it’s been known in the industry forever.

R47 I'm not involved with the Broadway world, have no interest in Rapp's career (wasn't aware he had a memoir), but I do know a former Rapp BF from around that time. Although his name isn't Todd, there's a similarity in there. Maybe it's telling that he never wants to discuss Rapp except in vague terms.

Or maybe he just respects his privacy?

Rapp and I are the same age. He knew what he was doing back then and he knows what he's doing now.

Nope, his description is pretty much the same. OP is trolling. Rapp told about Spacey's abuse DECADES ago in The Advocate but they redacted Spacey's name. He didn't suddenly make this up

Spill the boyfriend's name, R47! First name only, of course.

R53, That doesn’t mean it happened, it just means that he’s been telling a lie about a celebrity for a long time.

Hey, Spacey PR team! Can we get your take on this?

Whatever happened with that case involving the journalist's son?

maybe he’s among the accusers who died mysteriously?

R57, The case was thrown out after he mysteriously lost his phone and plead the fifth on the stand several times.

He pleed the Fifth when he was a witness in his own civil case? That's not going to work.

R60 Upon questioning, it was revealed that the accuser may have tampered with evidence. After a recess, he was advised by the Judge and/or counsel to plead the 5th.

Thanks, R61.

What a mess! At least the kid was smart enough to listen to the judge.

R35, that is one of the stupidest things I have read in a long time.

[quote] That doesn’t mean it happened, it just means that he’s been telling a lie about a celebrity for a long time.

Spacey is a perv and your defense of him is sick. Fuck off.

R49, He had exactly ONE complaint during the first season of HOC and no complaints after that. the anonymous unverifiable accounts in that CNN piece don’t count.

This CNN article mentions 8 people reporting there were multiple incidents on that set:

[quote] Kevin Spacey made the set of Netflix's "House of Cards" into a "toxic" work environment through a pattern of sexual harassment, eight people who currently work on the show or worked on it in the past tell CNN. One former employee told CNN that Spacey sexually assaulted him.

[quote]The former production assistant, whose account has never previously been disclosed, told CNN that Spacey sexually assaulted him during one of the show's early seasons. All eight people, each of whom spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity for fear of professional repercussions for speaking out, described Spacey's behavior as "predatory," saying it included nonconsensual touching and crude comments and targeted production staffers who were typically young and male.

[quote] The other people who worked on "House of Cards" with whom CNN spoke all supported the idea that the set could be toxic for young men because of Spacey.

[quote]r65 the anonymous unverifiable accounts in that CNN piece don’t count.

Oh. It’s fake news?

They worked on that set. You didn’t.

R54

It's Josh Safran, guess he tries to go by 'Joshua' now lol, who is currently in business of destroying Gossip Girl, just like anything else he's ever touched. He's as much of a sociopath as Anthony and as much of a serial sexual predator as Spacey, just ask any of his assistants. Josh and Anthony got back together after that fight and then broke up later and they both have lied about that story as many times as they've told it by this point. I know he begged Anthony not to publish that book, he wouldn't shut up about it. Fucking mess.

Not saying that I approve of physical violence but Josh has extensively gaslit every single person in his life and well... I understand. There are no good guys in this lineup.

And they both definitely fucked as many RENTheads as they could.

And that iomagazine looks like... complete bullshit. The article is posted on October 15 but the comments start in June? All the commenters have first and last names and post like the exact same set of boomers typing comments over and over. Doesn't pass the smell test.

The more you know about this situation the more problematic it is for everyone involved, delusional narcissists every last one of them.

Edit: They bumped the article for SEO and added more 'content' but it still smells like total bullshit.

R47 here again. Just wanted to clarify that my comments weren’t meant to absolve Josh Safran of anything. Just that I got the story through a ‘filter’. I know Josh is a sociopath first hand and was on the receiving end of a good deal of cyber harassment from him.

R66, Yet they never reported one incident to Netflix. Their stories don’t count and you act like CNN verified they worked at House Of Cards. They didn’t do that. All they wanted to be told what they wanted to hear so they could get clicks on their site.

House of Cards describes the rest of Spacey's life. Good thing he sold off pricey real estate a few years ago to help with eventual out of court settlements.

Everybody puts up with a lot on sets and a lot of it, at least before tattletale culture invaded, went unreported because jobs and paychecks were on the line. Plus, a lot of your work is based on who you know and word of mouth. If you're deemed a troublemaker, and your job is below the line, you may not get another job if someone doesn't like you. Before metoo if #1 on the call sheet or the director was grabbing your ass, you just kept your mouth shut.

R73, Spacey was reported for an incident season 1 and was disciplined. So that’s not true in this case.

“ help with eventual out of court settlements.”

Dream on, Mr. Rapp.

A comment purporting to be from Jack Lemmons’s son.

“ Kevin has always been a brother to me and was a second son to my father. I’ve stuck with him throughout and he never let out so much as a whimper. He took this injustice like the man he is. It is very rewarding to see a fair accounting. And even more rewarding to see him back where he belongs- on stage & screen”

R64 YOU fuck off, Trump supporting, Q Anon wacko.

A fair and unbiased look at Kevin Spacey shows a horny guy who took advantage of his station in life. Not a sexual predator. To suggest more is homophobic.

[quote]A fair and unbiased look at Kevin Spacey shows a horny guy who took advantage of his station in life. Not a sexual predator. To suggest more is homophobic.

Exactly right. But, perhaps more importantly, to suggest Spacey is a sexual predator is to show a gross misunderstanding of what a sexual predator really is. They are profoundly dangerous people. Spacey is, at best, a pest.

To confuse some of the recipients of Spacey's childish and unwanted attention with actual victims of sexual predators disrespects the people who have suffered mightily from the misdeeds of genuine sexual predators.

Spacey is undoubtedly a pig and freely behaved like one. But don't over state what happened with him. Don't treat so lightly genuinely sick people and their unfortunate victims.

[quote]R77 Kevin Spacey shows a horny guy who took advantage of his station in life. Not a sexual predator. To suggest more is homophobic.

Translation: sexually harassed coworkers should just be grateful they’re not being routinely raped at work.

Okay.

That's not the translation AT ALL, R79.

You and your statement are both entirely dishonest. Whether it suits your purposes or not, work place sexual harassment rarely, if ever, rises to the level of actual sexual predation. It's a nuisance. It's distasteful. It's certainly stressful. But it's clearly illegal, employers know it, and from an employer of any size or seriousness, a bona fide response usually is made to stop the harasser.

R47 R70

Sorry to hear that, really. He's only gotten so much worse, seems like they all have tbh. I keep waiting for him to get cancelled. Like Anthony he's using this smokescreen of fake wokeness -- it's fascinating to watch but the more you know and the longer it goes on, the more horrifying it gets.

R44 "there is even a scene in Precious Sons that calls to mind Rapp's encounter with Spacey, in which Ed Harris's character drunkenly mistakes his son (played by Rapp) for someone else, climbs on top of him, and makes a sexual advance."

“Looking back, I think that on some level my system was kind of weirdly accustomed to the action [of having a man crawl on top of me], because it had been happening in the play.”

from the mouths of ...babes?

[quote] YOU fuck off, Trump supporting, Q Anon wacko.

I'm a Democrat, you retard. Your defense of Spacey makes you one sick fuck. Do YOU go around jumping on teenage boys, too? My guess is that the answer is yes.

It’s really is a strange coincidence that Spacey assaulted Rapp by doing what Ed Harris did on stage every night.

R83= holier than thou SJW

[quote] I sort of believed him until he compared himself to Virginia Rappe and Spacey to Fatty Arbuckle.

Speaking of Virginia Rappe and Fatty Arbuckle...there was a good piece about the Fatty Arbuckle scandal in the New Yorker recently. Most things you read about that case sanctify Arbuckle and crucify Rappe, but that article was unbiased. Talk about blaming the victim; Rappe has been raked over the coals as an uber slut who was already half dead from VD or a botched abortion when she came to Arbuckle's wild party. Actually she was a woman who had an unusually small bladder which caused chronic cystitis. She needed to use the bathroom; the first suite she went into the bathroom was unavailable so she went into the other one. Arbuckle saw her enter; he followed her in there and locked the door. She didn't get a chance to use the bathroom because Arbuckle was chatting her up. Both of them had been drinking, and they started to get amorous, which is an unpleasant thought because Arbuckle was a 260 lb. tub of blubber. Somehow during their wrestling match Rappe's bladder got ruptured. In all likelihood in the throes of passion the fat pig fell on top of her, squashing her tiny, distended with fluid bladder like a grape. The bladder rupture caused her to black out. When she came to she was in agonizing pain. A hotel doctor was called and her gave her morphine. She lost consciousness, and went she woke she was screaming in pain again. More morphine. It was three days before she was taken to a hospital where she died of perotonitis. Arbuckle was arrested for her murder, amid all kinds of lurid accusations, like he'd raped her with a piece of ice (he did put a piece of ice on her to "revive" her) or raped her with a Coke or champagne bottle. He was eventually acquitted but his career was ruined. I never felt much sympathy for Arbuckle. He was a typical Hollywood asshole; he at first claimed he was never alone with Rappe, which was a big fat lie. And it's probable that he did inadvertently cause her death by falling on top of her or elbowing or kneeing her in a clumsy attempt to have sex. I do feel sympathy for Virginia Rappe, though. She was the one who ended up dead and thereafter she was painted as a reprehensible, VD ridden whore, which she was not.

r66, the snippet only mentions men. Wasn't Spacey accused of groping/sexually pestering at least one woman?

Sorry, not buyin' it. Anthony Rapp is a fucking worm.

Spacey hit on men the same way straight single movie stars hit on women. It’s a shame the press treated each bogus allegation as if these twenty something men were 14 years old. It’s homophobia on their part and a shameful example of cancel culture.

[quote]R84 It’s really is a strange coincidence that Spacey assaulted Rapp by doing what Ed Harris did on stage every night.

That’s not what happened on stage. The scene’s described at r44. Ed Harris does not pick him up, lay his down, and get on top of him.

R90, That is what Rapp described in the famous buzzfeed article that destroyed Spacey’s life. I think he would know better than you or r44.

So Rapp calls up his old buddy Adam Vary and tells him Spacey did what Ed Harris did to him every night in the show and BuzzFeed reports that as actual news? And NOBODY thinks that deserves a second look? GTFO That’s one hell of a coincidence. That’s not news that’s Enquirer level stuff. No wonder a REAL news source didn’t carry it“

Well, I saw the play. I know what I saw!

In the scene where Harris is carrying Rapp, the mom (Judith Ivey) is there. It’s not erotic - the son has fallen asleep on the couch.

R6: "We just don’t like you Kevin.

—The movie-going public. "

We really don't, Kevin. You are as obvious and desperate as a 40 year old obese virgin at a wedding.

Lolol @R96! 😂

R93, Rapp was in the play and he describes the situation similarly to the way he describes the Spacey situation see r82

R94, The way Rapp describes his situation with Kevin Spacey is not very erotic either. He describes him as drunken dead weigh.

Almost like Sacey drunkenly fell on him rather than tried to rape him as thBuzzfeed article described

R90 that's not how Rapp describes it LOL Ed Harris's character "drunkenly mistakes his son (played by Rapp) for someone else, climbs on top of him, and makes a sexual advance." Or are you changing your story again :P I worked that show through previews. It happened the way he describes the spacey thing. Been telling you all along but no one wants to hear it. whatever.

R93 and I worked the play

"This is significant as Rapp has asserted all along that Kevin Spacey’s alleged actions on the night in question were with the specific intent to “get with” him “sexually.” Rapp’s specifically notes in this version of alleged events, Kevin Spacey’s lack of sexual interest in the young Rapp."

Kevin Spacey’s lack of sexual interest in the young Rapp.

Truth

Buzzfeed is a joke.

R25 See above, that (ex-)boyfriend has 0 friends who aren't paid to be there, and that includes the most recent assistant he moved into the bedroom.

The passage from Rapp’s book about beating up his boyfriend is crazy. Why the hell would you share that?

I fucking HATE Anthony Rapp so much. Did he do this to Spacey because Kevin's such a better actor? Who had a much better career? Did he feel the need to take him down a few pegs? What a Goddamned loser. Imagine thinking it's ok to end someone else's career in this way for a meaningless thing that happened 30 years ago. And it's even more vile, because it only works to end his career when homophobia is part of the mix, which of course it is.

Rapp is a fucking worm.

[quote] Rapp is a fucking worm.

And what do you think Spacey is? A nice guy? Your defense of Spacey is unbelievable fuckery. Spacey is a nasty, unpleasant creep who can't keep his hands to himself. I believe every single accusation against him. He is a prime example of a Hollywood scumbag. And that has been known for years.

[quote]I believe every single accusation against him.

Then you are a fool. Almost any statement coming from someone in show biz, where hyperbole is the starting point, can be ratcheted down about 50%.

When Rapp told the story years earlier, it was under the guise of outing the “cowards” who were closeted. It wasn’t “ I’m a sex abuse victim that needs millions of dollars for my ptsd”

[quote] Then you are a fool.

Your defense of Spacey makes you the fool, sweetheart. A damn fool.