Andrea Dworkin anti porn documentary 1991

Didn't she have a fat gay husband?

R1, she probably saw her husband jacking off to Sean Cody and flipped out. Thus, becoming an anti-porn evangelist.

She was dead serious.

She died in 2005, she would absolutely be thriving in today’s liberal society. Her ideology on men and sex has found it’s way into liberalism again although she was considered more right than left. But I also think the left today has adopted old right wing talking points.

[quote] has found it’s way

Oh, dear!

I stand corrected, he was gay but not necessarily fat. I sad fat because I once saw her in Princeton with a short fat gay-looking guy following her around.

Just to put it in context, around 1986 or 1987, the government put out a report on pornography. It was sold in every bookstore and was a huge deal.

Yes—I doubt they ever had sexual congress. He seemed mainly to enjoy being apologetic for being male. I doubt he was getting any dick either. Maybe a femmy asexual? WHET?

The sad thing about Dworkin was that she a decent mind and some legitimate points, but did so in ridiculously overheated rhetoric that diminished the value of virtually everything she wrote. Her appearance should not have been a factor, but it was hard to resist making jokes, given that she so rarely seemed like a real human being, but more of an automaton spewing cliches.

Much heterosexual porn is misogynistic and exploitative. But that doesn't mean all porn is always misogynistic and exploitative.

However, 2nd-wave/radical feminism defines itself by its total rejection of male sexuality. (even literally, as with the 'political lesbianism' trend),

I remember Andrea tried to make waves again in 2000 when she published a story about being drugged and raped in Paris by a waiter and bartender. At the time date rape drugs were a hot button issue, but her story didn’t ring true.

R8 People like Paglia debunk those ideas by using gay men. I mean what is the difference between gay and heterosexual porn that makes heterosexual porn misogynistic?

Women, R10. I tend to agree with her.

R11 So women being in porn is misogyny?

Hmmm, I'm not an expert of course but heterosexual porn often seems (even) more fake, degrading, and not focused on the woman's pleasure at all.

But that's not to say it HAS to be that way, right? Women consume porn too.

R12, mostly. It mostly seems about power dynamics between unequals.

Men are more equal. I don't like porn that portrays racial imbalances either.

Politically I'm the opposite of a SJW. Mostly libertarian so I agree with her analysis but not state crackdown. People have to be changed one on one.

I read some of her books when I started getting called a “terf” and had to look into the issue. She did have some good points and was a good writer but she does seem unhinged looking at her now. “Radical feminists” are against males existing at all, basically.

The funny thing was when she was at the height of her anti-porn activism fame, straight porn was actually pretty tame for the most part. Lots of couples storyline-driven feature films were being put out. Foreplay and cunnilingus on the women. Even the early gonzo/wall to wall type porn wasn't that exreme. It wasn't until the late 90s or so until porn stated veering into extreme, rough sex, heavy, rough anal sex and so on. Max Hardcore, Rocco Sifferdi (although he could tone it down) and Rob Black helped mainstream that, unfortuately.

R14 Huh? Are you a gay man? Gay male porn has all sorts of rape fantasies with cop and criminal, prison, teacher and student, father and son, home invasions, etc. They used to have a whole website I think it was called “Gay Creeps” where men start having sex with sleeping men. Amateur videos of straight drunk men, etc, etc. So I don’t know what you’re talking about gay porn doesn’t have unequal power dynamics.

R17 Yes, I am. I just happened to see a lot straight porn from that era and liked some of it.

And yes, there is rough/edgy gay porn, but in general, gay porn is tamer than staight porn in the 20 years or so. Although tame/vanilla straight porn is still being made today.

R13 Supply and demand. I believe the 2019 statistic on PornHub was women makeup 38% of the audience.

Women are less likely to pay for sex and less likely to pay for porn. Women preferred trashy romance novels which were just as fantasy and had unrealistic depictions of men doing things women wanted. Look at how popular that bullshit “50 Shades of Grey” was. No man is like that in real life, it was written by a woman. But that’s the female mind connecting to the female mind.

Men are hornier and visual. So yes porn is geared more towards men.

But that’s to say women don’t have no power. Porn stars are like the only occupation in the world where women earn more money than men. Men make half of what women do for a scene. You know a gang bang scene with one woman and 4 man scene is $100 for each man? It’s the $400 one man would get split 4 ways.

And women have been behind porn since I don’t know, when Althea Flynt took over Hustler in the 1970s? Suze Randall was the top porn photographer for decades and her daughter has been a director since the 90’s. Those are just major people off the top of my head as I wrote this.

R18? What’s tamer? I can’t go on porn sites without dodging thumbnails of prolapsed assholes anymore and it’s getting worse and worse.

Like 80% of gay porn is utter shit at this point. It’s either comedic Men.com or really hideous bareback videos.

The whole Falcon era of pretty porn is gone.

Go Google a photo of Armond Rizzo’s asshole and come back and tell me gay porn is tamer.

She was a bright woman, but she had some sort of very marked personality disorder.

She would say anything and would even boldly lie to get attention for herself or her cause.

That other anti-porn crusader from back in the day, Catherine McKinnon, is still alive. She's an old purse-lipped uptight cunt who looks like someone out of the Victorian era.