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Hi. Do you know how the orcs first came into being?

Thanks in advance.

by Anonymousreply 3October 17, 2021 11:32 PM

I never read Tolkien. I saw the movies but I don't think they answered that question. It looked like came out of the mud.

by Anonymousreply 1October 17, 2021 11:16 PM

[quote] Tolkien proposed several semi-contradictory theories for the origins of orcs. In The Tale of Tinúviel, Orcs originate as "foul broodlings of Melkor who fared abroad doing his evil work". In The Fall of Gondolin Tolkien wrote that "all that race were bred by Melkor of the subterranean heats and slime." In The Silmarillion, Orcs are East Elves (Avari) enslaved, tortured, and bred by Morgoth (as Melkor became known);they "multiplied" like Elves and Men. Tolkien stated in a 1962 letter to a Mrs. Munsby that Orc-females must have existed. In The Fall of Gondolin Morgoth made them of slime by sorcery, "bred from the heats and slimes of the earth". Or, they were "beasts of humanized shape", possibly, Tolkien wrote, Elves mated with beasts, and later Men. Or again, Tolkien noted, they could have been fallen Maiar, perhaps a kind called Boldog, like lesser Balrogs; or corrupted Men.

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by Anonymousreply 2October 17, 2021 11:20 PM

Weren't they crypto Jews or am I thinking of every other antisemitic writer who appeals to boys?

by Anonymousreply 3October 17, 2021 11:32 PM
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