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Owen Jones is getting really anxious and nervous that Stonewall is going to have its wings clipped

The tide really seems to be turning in the UK with regards to Stonewall and its influence . A sign of this being a bbc radio documentary series by Stephen Nolan on the power and influence of Stonewall and Owen Jones increasingly vocal nervousness and lecturing on this defending Stonewall on social media.

More and more questions are being asked about stonewalls influence particularly around trans issues and self Id in the UK.

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by Anonymousreply 41November 12, 2021 7:49 PM

Given what has become of it, GOOD.

by Anonymousreply 1October 17, 2021 4:10 PM

r1 I very much agree

by Anonymousreply 2October 17, 2021 9:14 PM

How Stonewall influenced the BBC: Broadcaster's trainers used graphic of 'genderbread person' in presentation to staff amid involvement in controversial scheme

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by Anonymousreply 3October 18, 2021 11:50 PM

r3 I think the BBC will drop stonewall in some capacity very soon and that could be a watershed moment with an avalanche effect encouraging others to follow suit.

by Anonymousreply 4October 20, 2021 5:18 AM

For the Americans what is this?

by Anonymousreply 5October 20, 2021 5:20 AM

r5 A legacy gay rights movement that has gone a bit rogue and toxic.

by Anonymousreply 6October 20, 2021 5:25 AM

Stonewall in the UK is a specific organization with some very controversial views. It's not a generic term for LGBT rights the way it is in the US.

by Anonymousreply 7October 20, 2021 5:38 AM

So it’s the HRC of GB?

by Anonymousreply 8October 20, 2021 5:41 AM

Owen seems like a real idiot.

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by Anonymousreply 9October 20, 2021 5:48 AM

Oh great, Owen's chatting with Juno Dawson in the video at OP. Of course.

Wonder if Owen agrees with Juno that lots of gay men are only gay "as a consolation prize", because they couldn't live their true selves as trans women and to be stunning and brave.

by Anonymousreply 10October 22, 2021 12:18 AM

[quote]Owen seems like a real idiot.

Oh, he is. There's no seems about it.

by Anonymousreply 11October 22, 2021 12:24 AM

That article R9 posted is absolutely damning, but particularly this bit;

[quote]In July of last year, an ex-Muslim named Saif Rahman tweeted an image to Jones. It showed a Koran with an overlay of rainbow colors — signifying, of course, gay rights. Rahman invited Jones to retweet the image. Jones refused, “because I think this is self evidently trying to provoke [rather] than win people over to LGBT rights.” In reply, Rahman asked: “why do you think it would provoke anyone? And if so, do you accept we have a serious problem?” Jones wouldn’t go there: “I’m done with people only mentioning LGBT rights when Islam is involved.”

If there is anyone we should all be listening to on this issue it is ex-Muslims. They know what the problems are from the inside from personal and often horrific and life threatening experience

Owen Jones is an arrogant and ignorant little fuckhead. If the people at Stonewall are of like mind (or lack thereof) I hope they get their wings clipped hard, they deserve it

by Anonymousreply 12October 22, 2021 1:09 AM

Rumours that the NHS in England might be next to drop Stonewall.

by Anonymousreply 13November 6, 2021 4:35 PM

If SurvivingAngel disapproves of something, that thing must have at least some merit.

by Anonymousreply 14November 6, 2021 4:40 PM

Stonewall?

Really?

They couldn't come up with their own name? Or is this more American cultural imperialism? Or maybe the trans woman who kicked off Stonewall was also somehow British and we've been suppressing that too?

by Anonymousreply 15November 6, 2021 4:40 PM

r15 Yes Stonewall been an organisation in UK since 1960s but they never used to have such big tentacles which is now starting to have an alienating effect.

by Anonymousreply 16November 6, 2021 4:43 PM

This article is an interesting read but is overly simplistic about the goals of Stonewall, and the attribution of blame on the Tory government.

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by Anonymousreply 17November 6, 2021 4:53 PM

If Steven Nolan wasn’t such a disgusting bigoted, sectarian piece of shit I might listen.

by Anonymousreply 18November 6, 2021 5:00 PM

Owens is a misogynistic hypocrite. He's on board with the troon cult and loves admonishing dissenting women, TERFS and dykes who don't want to be penetrated by a bloke calling himself a "lesbian."

He won't date a trans "man" though. Funny that.

by Anonymousreply 19November 6, 2021 5:15 PM

[quote]He won't date a trans "man" though. Funny that.

He has said he WOULD date a trans man. Whether he'd be willing to perform oral sex on a trans man's vagina or put his penis into it is another question, one he hasn't said.

by Anonymousreply 20November 6, 2021 6:04 PM

Do you honestly believe that, R20?

The little toad is on YouTube laughing about silly lesbians and their hysteria about troons threatening to knife them if they won't submit to their sexual demands.

He's gross and on the wrong side of history.

by Anonymousreply 21November 9, 2021 10:12 AM

Owen is the establishment. Not women defending their sexual boundaries and their rights to sex-based spaces.

by Anonymousreply 22November 9, 2021 10:19 AM

I believe Owen Jones would *date* a trans man, but I don't think Owen Jones would fuck them or eat their pussy.

It's hilarious seeing the far left praise Lorraine Kelly, the chatty tv presenter, for her bizarrely hostile interview with Kathleen Stock when they hate Lorraine Kelly the theatrical artist for her tax dodging.

by Anonymousreply 23November 9, 2021 10:20 AM

Sexuality and gender identity are two very different things. Their conflation is the crux of the problem. Those with gender identity issues need to fight their own battles and stop piggybacking on homosexulity and its organisations -- and those organisations should never had adopted their battles. Anyone who is sane recognises this in hindsight -- it seemed a helpful thing to do at the time -- but its just proven counterproductive. And that's including the whole heap of crazy it brings to the table. Too many damaged people adopt trans identities an escape parachutes from their emotional issues.

by Anonymousreply 24November 9, 2021 10:27 AM

The whole impossible mouthful of LGBTQ needs a stake pushed through its fucked up heart.

There is homosexuality on a long diverse spectrum that blurs into heterosexuality. That's it. Period.

Colloquially: Gay and Straight, and shades thereof.

Trans i.e. gender identity is a separate issue. It needs to be firmly cleved away. Trans people can be gay and straight. But trans issues are not gay issues any more than they are straight issues.

by Anonymousreply 25November 9, 2021 10:33 AM

How will theys all make a living when the big grift ends?

by Anonymousreply 26November 9, 2021 10:55 AM

R25 you are going to fight for trans rights or else you're a divisive republican POS and we're going to call you Boris !!!

Don't forget that it's thanks to a black transwoman of color that you have your rights and Pride !

by Anonymousreply 27November 9, 2021 9:25 PM

Lorraine Kelly is as fake as they come in british showbiz.r23

by Anonymousreply 28November 9, 2021 9:40 PM

Yawn, OP must be one of those "LGB" types who are against gay marriage and banning "ex-gay" therapy because they think it might offend conservative homophobes

by Anonymousreply 29November 9, 2021 9:44 PM

Sarah Silverman is leading the charge of The Jews against poor little Owen. A Spanish version of one of his books came with a grossly anti Jewish caricature on the cover. Loads of people complained at the time but he just blocked them all. Now it's someone influential he's responding and of course he's the victim.

by Anonymousreply 30November 9, 2021 9:46 PM

“Gay Tranny no Good. You hate Gay. Stalin, I mean Outin hate Tranny even more than Gay”

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by Anonymousreply 31November 9, 2021 9:46 PM

[quote]Yawn, OP must be one of those "LGB" types who are against gay marriage and banning "ex-gay" therapy because they think it might offend conservative homophobes

Hey R29, do you agree with the Chief Executive of Stonewall that same sex attraction is comparable with racism? Do you agree with Nancy Kelley that a gay man who doesn't want to have sex with someone with a vagina is as bigoted as a gay man who doesn't want to sleep with a man who is black?

by Anonymousreply 32November 9, 2021 9:48 PM

[quote]Sarah Silverman is leading the charge of The Jews against poor little Owen. A Spanish version of one of his books came with a grossly anti Jewish caricature on the cover. Loads of people complained at the time but he just blocked them all. Now it's someone influential he's responding and of course he's the victim.

R30 do you have a link for this? Nothing would surprise me and I can totally believe this but it'd nice to have confirmation

by Anonymousreply 33November 10, 2021 1:52 AM

The trans cult has pushed the faux accusation that if you're not sexually attracted to troons then you must be "racist" (because a tiny amount of troons are Black...bearing in mind that the troon community as a whole doesn't constitute 1% of the human population) for some time, R33.

by Anonymousreply 34November 10, 2021 3:16 AM

BBC has "pulled out"

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by Anonymousreply 35November 10, 2021 5:41 PM

r29 Incorrect on both points. I believe in gay marriage and support a ban on conversion therapy. Caricature and assumptions are not a strong argument!

by Anonymousreply 36November 11, 2021 12:03 AM

surviving Angel is Boris.

by Anonymousreply 37November 12, 2021 6:40 AM

r27 is a parody post, right?

by Anonymousreply 38November 12, 2021 6:50 AM

Owen's boyfriend is supposedly a Muslim which is why he defends Muslims or ignores Muslim atrocities.

There was a rumour that Owen was circumcised in his late 20s because a previous Muslim boyfriend wanted him to.

by Anonymousreply 39November 12, 2021 8:10 AM

R38 Yes, its a parody post - at least I think. You really cant be sure these days.

R39 That would explain a few things, again it'd be helpful to have confirmation of some sort

by Anonymousreply 40November 12, 2021 10:40 AM

BORIS Fuck OfF

by Anonymousreply 41November 12, 2021 7:49 PM
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