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Athina Onassis

I searched for previous threads, but actually found none on her, only her mother and Jackie On Assistance. What's her story? She showed up at a wedding last week looking like she had a lot of work done. The rumor is she has difficulty carrying babies to term, having had several miscarriages. And CDAN says she was eyeing the groom at this wedding to be the father of kids she was trying to have.

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by Anonymousreply 119October 17, 2021 5:39 PM

She looks good, she had a nose job a while ago and it looks like she's had her eyes done, too.

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by Anonymousreply 1October 9, 2021 5:44 PM

Yes she looks happier too now that she dumped her philandering husband. From what I read, that was a precision job of extracting him from her life- and money.

She leased out Skorpios a few years ago to a young Russian daughter of an oligarch who plans to build a resort.

by Anonymousreply 2October 9, 2021 5:49 PM

She's worth a mint!

Her most recent work will settle. I think she looks fine and cuts a nice figure.

Maybe she'll adopt and just befriend a nice enough stable boy every once in a while the way Anne, the Princess Royal seems to do if you know what I mean.

I like her. She's low key and harms nobody all soo much. I'm assuming she doesn't take after her mother lifestyle wise and I'm sorry but that might be a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 3October 9, 2021 7:43 PM

Poor Little Rich Girl!

by Anonymousreply 4October 9, 2021 7:45 PM

Wow! Looks like she was really attracted to the ex-husband and who could blame her. Still, glad she got divorced, if he was just a gold digger.

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by Anonymousreply 5October 9, 2021 7:49 PM

Why is she having a hard time staying pregnant?

by Anonymousreply 6October 9, 2021 7:52 PM

The equestrian lifestyle suits her - keeps her away from clubs/drugs and rich louche trash.

by Anonymousreply 7October 9, 2021 7:52 PM

r6, who knows? Many women have difficulty bearing children.

by Anonymousreply 8October 9, 2021 7:53 PM

She's not an assistance?

by Anonymousreply 9October 9, 2021 7:54 PM

[quote]I think she looks fine and cuts a nice figure.

And her pins? SLIM!

by Anonymousreply 10October 9, 2021 7:54 PM

A TV interview with her when she was a teenager was strange. She positioned herself on a rock behind a group of her friends. It was as if she thought the friends being there would somehow protect her from the interviewer, or from difficult questions.

by Anonymousreply 11October 9, 2021 7:59 PM

And her glossy flowing tresses.

by Anonymousreply 12October 9, 2021 8:00 PM

[quote]The equestrian lifestyle suits her - keeps her away from clubs/drugs and rich louche trash.

Isn't that how she met her loser ex? She was just 20 and he totally preyed upon her. It is said that he got $100 million in the divorce.

by Anonymousreply 13October 9, 2021 8:08 PM

Can you imagine being famous only because you inherited a vast sum of money? I don’t envy her.

by Anonymousreply 14October 9, 2021 8:09 PM

Doda also remarried and has another child.

by Anonymousreply 15October 9, 2021 8:10 PM

^ Yeah, imagine always having to assume that people don't want to know you for you.

by Anonymousreply 16October 9, 2021 8:11 PM

It's pretty obvious he was after her money to pay for his hobbies. They both enjoy riding horses.

by Anonymousreply 17October 9, 2021 8:11 PM

Sounds like ex-husband was asking for $11 million Euros, but got less than that. No way on the $100 million.

[quote] Reportedly Doda was asking for 11 million euros in compensation; according to the marriage prenuptial contract. He also asked for 350,000 euros for alimony, payment for their joint ventures, as well as custody of their horses and properties with a total value of 400,000,000 dollars, which were purchased with Athina during their marriage.

[quote] However, Álvaro was eventually granted a much smaller amount of money; according to Athina’s lawyers, thanks to the red dossier with the details and revelations about the Brazilian athlete, that were provided to Athina by her former adviser Alexis Mantheakis, and that brought to life Alvaro’s secret love life.

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by Anonymousreply 18October 9, 2021 8:13 PM

How is Thierry pronounced? Like theory?

by Anonymousreply 19October 9, 2021 8:16 PM

Athina looks great in her tux, though.

by Anonymousreply 20October 9, 2021 8:18 PM

They were married for more than a decade so it's not like he was leaving with nothing. No way. I'm sure she'd pay him to go away. He was cheating on her with an escort for at least 8 years.

by Anonymousreply 21October 9, 2021 8:18 PM

No, I think it's a hard T. Like Tea-erry

by Anonymousreply 22October 9, 2021 8:18 PM

I wish her mother had found happiness and lived longer to see her daughter as an adult. She had all the money in the world and no love nor happiness.

by Anonymousreply 23October 9, 2021 8:21 PM

Her father is an incredible creep, a gold digger who got his hooks into her mother Christina Onassis. She got a baby out of him, at least. While he was married to her he had a blonde model mistress who had at least one child with him. Christina was so pathetic she was willing to accept the arrangement, even trying to make her husband's mistress and their love child part of an extended family that would include little Athina. But she and Roussel still parted ways. Later it was said she offered him $300,000 if he would father another child with her. But he declined.

Considering how fucked up her parents were it's amazing Athina has done as well as she had. Maybe it's because she had a calling that she can concentrate on and pay attention to: horses. I think being an equestrian has somewhat grounded her. But it still must not be easy be a woman that rich. Greedy, unscrupulous are always preying on rich women.

by Anonymousreply 24October 9, 2021 8:29 PM

[quote] Greedy, unscrupulous are always preying on rich women.

If I were a rich woman I would lie on the ground with my legs akimbo and scream "buffet".

by Anonymousreply 25October 9, 2021 8:55 PM

Athina Hélène Onassis, January 29, 1985 (age 36)

She needs to have a baby or two to ensure an Onassis heir to her fortune. I like her lowkey lifestyle staying out of the spotlight. She seems like she has her head on straight.

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by Anonymousreply 26October 9, 2021 9:12 PM

R25 I literally laughed out loud at that

by Anonymousreply 27October 9, 2021 9:12 PM

Tee-Air-E

by Anonymousreply 28October 9, 2021 9:22 PM

It was her father, Thierry Roussel that she had to pay off with 100 mil.

by Anonymousreply 29October 9, 2021 9:24 PM

If I had 800 million and had to die at 37, I would squander all of it on what I want. And I would die a happy homo.

by Anonymousreply 30October 9, 2021 9:33 PM

Money can't buy you love. It's true.

It can buy you dick and ass.

by Anonymousreply 31October 9, 2021 9:42 PM

[quote]How is Thierry pronounced? Like theory?

"Thief."

by Anonymousreply 32October 9, 2021 9:44 PM

[quote]that brought to life Alvaro’s secret love life.

Men?

by Anonymousreply 33October 9, 2021 9:47 PM

Those South American horsemen, be they showjumpers or polo players, are sexy AF but they'll always break your heart.

by Anonymousreply 34October 9, 2021 10:03 PM

Yeah there was a famous one out in the Hamptons recently who was fucking Lizzie Grubman or Anna Wintour or somebody.

Anyway, he was HAWT.

by Anonymousreply 35October 9, 2021 10:05 PM

The equestrian life is filled with nothing but drugs, clubs, and rich louche trash.

by Anonymousreply 36October 9, 2021 10:11 PM

[quote]The equestrian life is filled with nothing but drugs, clubs, and rich louche trash.

...and gays, be they on the down-low or discreetly out, don't forget them!

by Anonymousreply 37October 9, 2021 10:18 PM

Doda had a girlfriend waiting for him on the side till he got divorced and money. It was a total “Death On The Nile” scenario. Hope Athina has some real friends in her life.

by Anonymousreply 38October 9, 2021 10:20 PM

Let's fine Athina a nice husband whose not going to fuck around on her.

by Anonymousreply 39October 9, 2021 10:20 PM

Also filled with big name trainers sexually abusing their minor students for decades with impunity. Probably worse than any other “sport”.

by Anonymousreply 40October 9, 2021 10:23 PM

[quote] Lothario's every one of them

What does the Lothario possess?

by Anonymousreply 41October 9, 2021 10:24 PM

[quote] Let's fine Athina a nice husband whose not going to fuck around on her.

I think one husband was enough to fine her in the form of alimony.

by Anonymousreply 42October 9, 2021 10:25 PM

[quote]Also filled with big name trainers sexually abusing their minor students for decades with impunity. Probably worse than any other “sport”.

Yes, SafeSport is certainly shaking that tree!

by Anonymousreply 43October 9, 2021 10:27 PM

And about time too

by Anonymousreply 44October 9, 2021 10:28 PM

I thought Ekaterina BOUGHT Skorpios for over 100 million?

by Anonymousreply 45October 9, 2021 10:31 PM

Doda was screwing another woman almost the ENTIRE time they were married. Scarily similar to her own father and mother relationship. Because Athina or her lawyers had evidence of that, he got very little. Needy rich girls are suckers for these slimy guys.

If I was married to a super rich woman like that I would risk it screwing around on the side - never mind carrying on a years long affair. Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 46October 9, 2021 11:04 PM

Its just how the equestrian circuit rolls hon ...

by Anonymousreply 47October 9, 2021 11:09 PM

^ would not risk it

by Anonymousreply 48October 9, 2021 11:13 PM

Athena, unlike her drug addicted mother, did not tolerate cheating. She quickly dispatched her security team to extract her ex from her home when presented with the evidence of cheating.

As discussed above, he got less than 10 million euros.

She was very smart not to breed with him: no child support and custody battles.

by Anonymousreply 49October 10, 2021 12:10 AM

Please, will somebody think of the horses in all of this!

by Anonymousreply 50October 10, 2021 12:26 AM

R40 seems like abuse is rampant in soccer and gymnastics as well. My sister trained with a famous trainer Jimmie Williams ( he worked with the equestrian champ Anna Kusinski) at La Canada Riding Club - turns out he abused many of his students.

by Anonymousreply 51October 10, 2021 12:34 AM

I find the east coast trainer's story far more interesting. An abuser himself accuses his trainer of abusing him!

by Anonymousreply 52October 10, 2021 12:40 AM

Why was her fathered entitled to her money?

by Anonymousreply 53October 10, 2021 12:43 AM

I can't wait for the musical "Little Orphan Athina." With SJP as the horse.

by Anonymousreply 54October 10, 2021 1:04 AM

R53 Her Father had been trying to gain control of the Onassis estate since her Mother died when Athina was 3.

The story goes that when she inherited aged 18 she settled a huge sum of money on him (and his family) so that she could regain confidence in him.

The trustees/lawyers of the Onassis estate then tried (unsuccessfully) to remove her as President of the foundation.

Apart from her divorce her life seems to have been fairly normal for the past 16 years and she has a good relationship with her family.

by Anonymousreply 55October 10, 2021 1:14 AM

Thierry: "tee-REE"

by Anonymousreply 56October 10, 2021 6:18 AM

R 55, I thought she was estranged from the Roseau’s; going as far as dropping Roseau from her legal name.

by Anonymousreply 57October 10, 2021 12:25 PM

R57 It's hard to tell as she is so private. There have been rumors of her being estranged from the Roussel family, but then she turned up as a bridesmaid at her half-sister Sandrine Roussels wedding in 2013.

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by Anonymousreply 58October 10, 2021 1:47 PM

She looks lesbian to me.

by Anonymousreply 59October 10, 2021 1:49 PM

She does have kind of a masculine face.

by Anonymousreply 60October 10, 2021 2:31 PM

Those South American horsemen, r41.

Do try to keep up!

by Anonymousreply 61October 10, 2021 2:43 PM

If I were her I’d build another Christina 0 yacht and staff it with HOT men to be my playthings. Underwear or less boys. Now get me my champagne and let me lick it off your abs!

by Anonymousreply 62October 10, 2021 2:57 PM

I do not recommend the "equestrian world" for finding a husband..

by Anonymousreply 63October 10, 2021 9:10 PM

R62 That yacht is still around. I was on it in the early 2000s. It's handsome and very old, nothing to do with today's superyachts.

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by Anonymousreply 64October 10, 2021 9:47 PM

Whenever Christina wanted to have sex with Athina's father, he made her pay him up front with a check.

by Anonymousreply 65October 10, 2021 9:57 PM

R64. Thanks for posting the link. The yacht Christina is still gorgeous--beautiful photos. I have always been fascinated with the Onassis family, the Greek shipping industry, Maria Callas and the very private Athina, who I hope is happy.

by Anonymousreply 66October 10, 2021 9:58 PM

I wonder if Athina has any sort of a relationship with Caroline Kennedy, her step-aunt.

by Anonymousreply 67October 10, 2021 9:59 PM

[quote] I wonder if Athina has any sort of a relationship with Caroline Kennedy, her step-aunt.

Um, like, you know, no. Oh.

by Anonymousreply 68October 10, 2021 10:01 PM

Considering how much Athens’s mother hated Caroline’s mother I don’t see why she would r67.

by Anonymousreply 69October 10, 2021 10:17 PM

Auto correct asshole.

by Anonymousreply 70October 10, 2021 10:18 PM

[quote] Considering how much Athens’s mother hated Caroline’s mother I don’t see why she would

If they metis it possible they would've have liked each other?

by Anonymousreply 71October 10, 2021 10:19 PM

Christina hated Jackie O. Christina was so disgusted with Jackie that she gave her $26 million to end the relationship and get Jackie the hell out of her life. Christina was equally disgusted with Teddy Kennedy who jumped in the funeral car with Jackie and Christina on the morning of the funeral to discuss financial arrangements for Jackie. Needless to say, Christina Christina was so repulsed by Teddy's action and conversation during the funeral procession that she got out of the car right then and rode separately from Jackie on the way to the cemetery. Christina thought the Kennedys were trash. Read Aristotle Onassis' biography. It's fascinating. Christina may have had her challenges, but she could recognize gold-digging scum who tried to take advantage of her father and family fortune.

by Anonymousreply 72October 10, 2021 10:24 PM

Christina knew if she entered into a legal battle with Jackie it would last a long time. She just wanted to get rid of her so she gave the huge settlement she wanted. Reportedly she told Jackie: "I hope I never lay eyes on you again." I wish Christina would have tried to prevent Jackie from getting the enormous sum of money that she wanted. While Onassis was on his deathbed Jackie was "traipsing around Europe", going to bull fights and getting her hair done. At his funeral she had a serene smile on her face; she was probably thinking of all the money she was sure to get. No wonder Christina loathed her.

by Anonymousreply 73October 10, 2021 11:04 PM

Yet, believe it or not, they kept in touch until Christina passed away.

by Anonymousreply 74October 10, 2021 11:17 PM

It was probably smarter for Christina to pay off Jackie and save herself (Christina) years of mental stress, etc.

by Anonymousreply 75October 10, 2021 11:36 PM

It was a nuisance payment. Here, now go away and shut-up.

by Anonymousreply 76October 10, 2021 11:42 PM

So why is she an Onassis and not Roussel?

by Anonymousreply 77October 10, 2021 11:51 PM

R72. Teddy Kennedy was the worst piece of shit especially on the morning of the funeral of Christina's father. Jackie set it up to be good cop/bad cop to corner Christina in the family's funeral care of all places. The Kennedys were pigs.

by Anonymousreply 78October 10, 2021 11:52 PM

R77, see R57 for an allusion as to why.

[quote] Following her marriage, Onassis assumed the name of Athina Onassis

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by Anonymousreply 79October 10, 2021 11:55 PM

R77. Athina changed her name to Onassis to be more closely associated with the family, Greece and the entire business operation. As she got older, she appreciated her family's place in the world and association with Greece and wanted to be aligned with it. Athina was young when her mother died. Besides, she grew to dislike Thierry Roussel.

by Anonymousreply 80October 10, 2021 11:55 PM

R80, Caroline has dropped Schlossberg and reverted back to Caroline Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 81October 11, 2021 12:03 AM

Caroline Kennedy never changed her name, even after getting married, according to this Time article.

[quote] WHY DO YOU USE THE NAME KENNEDY ON YOUR BOOKS, RATHER THAN KENNEDY SCHLOSSBERG, YOUR MARRIED NAME?

[quote] I never actually changed my name. But people call me whatever they call me.

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by Anonymousreply 82October 11, 2021 12:09 AM

Man, was Jackie a greedy cunt or what? I’m so over all the hype about this bitch and her equally useless sister. Gold-digging slags, both of them.

I truly hope that Athina finds happiness with someone or learn to be happy on her own.

by Anonymousreply 83October 11, 2021 1:03 AM

[quote] Yet, believe it or not, they kept in touch until Christina passed away.

Well, I don't believe it. WHY would Christian have wanted to "keep in touch" with Jackie? She hated her!

by Anonymousreply 84October 11, 2021 1:39 AM

R84, Christina would see her occasionally when she was in NY. She actually would bring dates by to impress them. This was a blind item awhile ago, but I'd heard it from others I knew in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 85October 11, 2021 1:48 AM

Jackie had as much liking for Christina as Christina had for her, that is to say, none. I find it hard to believe that Christina would ever "see" Jackie even "occasionally" if she was ever in New York. And why would she need to bring dates to "impress" them by a visit to Jackie? Christina was one of the richest women in the world; I think her dates would have been amply impressed by that alone.

by Anonymousreply 86October 11, 2021 4:03 AM

Christina loathed Jackie and saw her as nothing but a glorified gold digger. No chance she would ever visit Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 87October 11, 2021 6:46 AM

Athina sounds like she's going down the same road as her mother: unlucky in love, insecure about her looks, used and abused.

by Anonymousreply 88October 11, 2021 7:51 AM

This is a better explanation of her use of the Onassis name.

[QUOTE] [BOLD] After her 21st birthday in 2006, her lawyers unsuccessfully fought to instate her as President of the Onassis Foundation, as the board claimed she was unqualified and denied that she was an heir to the estate of Aristotle Onassis. Invoking her grandfather's legacy in memory of Alexander Onassis, the board's representatives stated that she had no connection with the Greek culture, religion, language or shared experience, that she never went to college and had no work experience. [/BOLD]

She did however use the Onassis name afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 89October 11, 2021 10:37 AM

R82, That article is 19 years old. In years since, I have seen her billed and introduced as Caroline Kennedy many times.

by Anonymousreply 90October 11, 2021 10:45 AM

R89, As the only Onassis grandchild, she'd be a fool not to use it.

by Anonymousreply 91October 11, 2021 10:47 AM

Athina needs a child to continue the Onassis name and carry on the legacy of the Onassis Foundation; otherwise, it will fall into the hands of lawyers who eventually have no connection to the company's origin.

by Anonymousreply 92October 11, 2021 11:26 AM

Yeah, into the hands....

by Anonymousreply 93October 11, 2021 12:07 PM

R92, Marilyn Monroe's estate is now maintained by Lee Strasberg's widow, someone Marilyn never even met.

by Anonymousreply 94October 11, 2021 12:59 PM

This thread sent me into an Onassis, Kennedy, and Bouvier family rabbit hole.

by Anonymousreply 95October 11, 2021 1:13 PM

Athena must want a child badly.

by Anonymousreply 96October 11, 2021 4:02 PM

[quote] Marilyn Monroe's estate is now maintained by Lee Strasberg's widow, someone Marilyn never even met.

And there isn't even a plaque, or a signpost or a statue of her.

by Anonymousreply 97October 11, 2021 4:56 PM

By the same token, I AM Frank Sinatra.

by Anonymousreply 98October 11, 2021 5:24 PM

Maybe Jackie and Christina kept in touch by sending each other dead flowers.

by Anonymousreply 99October 11, 2021 5:25 PM

Jackie was not all that greedy. Her MOTHER was! JFK's bequest to Jackie was 25K. 25 thousand dollars. TOTAL. And all property. Jackie negotiated 200K annually in a trust. The kids got millions in their own trusts which they couldn't touch. Jackie was always a good deal for rich men who wanted her prestige. JFK married up in social status, though Jackie herself was broke. Her mother finally married big money with the Auchincloss, but he wasn't bestowing riches on Janets children. Jackie traded her status for the wealth of Kenney family. it was an even deal, in my opinion, plus they LIKED each other. it was a fairly good match.

Jackie did not "gold dig" on Onassis. Not 100% one direction. Onassis WANTED Jackie. Jackie was the ultimate trophy wife for Ari. Jackie wanted the safety Ari could offer. Abroad, vast wealth, security, etc. Jackie spent a lot of money living the high life with Ari, the shopping was legendary, but she didn't get any property or real chunks of wealth out of Ari while he was alive. Christina's payoff to Jackie was chump change for the Onassis wealth. Jackie finally had breathing money but no great wealth. She was at the very top of social status and international fame, of course, but she had a paltry fortune, compared to all her peers. She went for another billionaire, Tempelsman, as her longtime companion.

I don't think it's fair to call Jackie a ruthless greedy gold digger. She was a mild gold-digger. There are far worse, including her hideous cunt sister.

by Anonymousreply 100October 11, 2021 5:50 PM

[quote] [R82], That article is 19 years old. In years since, I have seen her billed and introduced as Caroline Kennedy many times.

R90, I was trying to say that Caroline Kennedy never even took her husband's name (Schlossberg) in the first place. I.e., she never, ever changed her name from Caroline Kennedy. That's what she says in the article. I think we're in agreement here.

by Anonymousreply 101October 11, 2021 6:00 PM

She can adopt me. I don't want to work anymore.

by Anonymousreply 102October 11, 2021 6:03 PM

Athina is fortunate to be quite as lovely as her mother always was.

But I have heard that too much squid can affect the thyroid gland.

by Anonymousreply 103October 11, 2021 6:13 PM

Athina should forget the horsey playboys, hook up with Nana Mouskouri's son, and start a family on one of her lovely Greek islands to a soundtrack of Nana's mellow songs.

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by Anonymousreply 104October 11, 2021 6:21 PM

Is Paul there?

by Anonymousreply 105October 11, 2021 6:24 PM

All I know about Athina Onassis is that she was denied entry to Vassar and it caused a minor scandal in college admissions.

by Anonymousreply 106October 11, 2021 6:28 PM

What was the scandal? That Vassar had a backbone and denied entry to a stupid jock girl without a fundamental education, despite being outrageously VIP.

by Anonymousreply 107October 11, 2021 6:33 PM

R107 Harvard would have accepted her because they realize that $$$ runs the world and that an Onassis paying into their endowment is worth the perceived hit to credibility.

by Anonymousreply 108October 11, 2021 6:51 PM

I’ve never heard the rumor about Vassar. I don’t really believe it either. Athena didn’t need college. And she didn’t want it, she was into horses from years before.

by Anonymousreply 109October 11, 2021 6:53 PM

If Christina hated Jackie so much, why did she invite her to her wedding a few months after Onassis died in 1975?

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by Anonymousreply 110October 17, 2021 1:41 AM

R110 that was a complicated relationship. They talked and met up as well after Onassis died.

by Anonymousreply 111October 17, 2021 2:07 AM

[quote] If Christina hated Jackie so much, why did she invite her to her wedding a few months after Onassis died in 1975?

Maybe because she thought it would be a good PR move? My guess is that is exactly why she would have invited her.

by Anonymousreply 112October 17, 2021 3:07 AM

[quote] They talked and met up as well after Onassis died.

The paths of the super rich frequently cross. But I don't think she ever rung up Jackie and said "Let's do lunch!" She probably just ran into her from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 113October 17, 2021 3:10 AM

If Christina's wedding was only a few months after her father died, the big money disputes between Christina and Jackie may not have started by then. They may have still been cordial at that time. Christina may have thought is was a good idea to invite Jackie to her wedding to show family harmony. But it didn't last. Christina eventually gave Jackie $26 million to get her the hell out of her life. Christina did not like Jackie or Teddy Kennedy who brought up money and taking care of Jackie in the lead family funeral car the morning of Ari's burial.

by Anonymousreply 114October 17, 2021 4:25 AM

R114, Christina and Jackie were hardly cordial at Onassis' funeral. The newsreel footage clearly shows Christina and her aunts leading the mourners behind the casket, while Jackie and her children were relegated to walking behind them.

by Anonymousreply 115October 17, 2021 5:30 AM

I can’t help but think of Athina watching the Jennifer Gates wedding extravaganza to the exotic, foreign, sexy horse obsessed older man who she started dating as a teenager and committed to marry at 23. Jennifer seems smart - but these girls are so sheltered and have such a weakness for horses, they lose all sense of rational behavior and fall head over heels for a hot sexy guy who can loves horses.

by Anonymousreply 116October 17, 2021 10:46 AM

R116 Gates' horsey husband comes from a very wealthy family, so there is less concern that he is a gold digger like Athina's ex.

by Anonymousreply 117October 17, 2021 4:40 PM

Christina and Jackie met up several times over the years. Again, I know someone who ran in those circles. To be clear, it was the maids’ circles—but they knew stuff.

by Anonymousreply 118October 17, 2021 4:55 PM

^to be clear, it was no more than half a dozen times, if that.

by Anonymousreply 119October 17, 2021 5:39 PM
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