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Dave Chappelle in trouble yet again with trans community for his jokes

(CNN) Dave Chappelle is back in some familiar hot water. The comic has drawn backlash for some of his comments in his latest Netflix comedy special, "The Closer." During the special, which debuted Tuesday, Chappelle says "Gender is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact." He then goes on to make explicit jokes about the bodies of trans women.

Chappelle caused ire in 2019 after making jokes about Caitlyn Jenner in his "Equanimity" special. His jokes about the trans community in his "Sticks and Stones" special the following year also evoked anger. Chappelle references those past controversies in his newest set.

The National Black Justice Coalition, a civil rights advocacy group, called on Netflix to pull the special Wednesday. "With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States -- the majority of whom are Black transgender people -- Netflix should know better. Perpetuating transphobia perpetuates violence," David Johns, executive director of the National Black Justice Coalition, said in a statement. "Netflix should immediately pull The Closer from its platform and directly apologize to the transgender community."

LGBTQ+ activist Taylor Ashbrook tweeted her disappointment Tuesday. "As a trans woman, I have usually defended Dave Chappelle's specials because I think they're hilarious and his jokes about trans women never felt intentionally malicious," she wrote. "The Closer changed my mind on that. That special felt so lazy and disingenuous and I'm really disappointed." CNN has reached out to reps for Chappelle for comment.

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by Anonymousreply 600October 14, 2021 8:50 PM

The executive producer of "Dear White People" Jaclyn Moore has announced she's "done" with Netflix after this controversy.

[quote] Now an EP on Peacock’s Queer As Folk reimagining, Moore said in a Twitter string this evening that she would no longer work with the streamer “as long as they continue to put out and profit from blatantly and dangerously transphobic content.”

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by Anonymousreply 1October 7, 2021 4:18 AM

Meh.

by Anonymousreply 2October 7, 2021 4:22 AM

I bet his browser history is interesting

by Anonymousreply 3October 7, 2021 4:24 AM

I am not surprised. Black straight cis men and MTFs get along like oil and water for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 4October 7, 2021 4:27 AM

He didn't say anything wrong. They'll try to cancel him but it won't stick.

by Anonymousreply 5October 7, 2021 4:27 AM

R4 There's no such thing as "cis" people. There's just people. Whether they identify as trans is another issue.

by Anonymousreply 6October 7, 2021 4:29 AM

Twitter is pissed about this, of course.

Chappelle misstates Rowling's position but the operative phrase that will enrage Twitter is "I'm team TERF".

Of course now people on Twitter are saying he's an awful person, probably a murderer/pedo, etc., for no reason other than he disagrees with them about their nonsense. They're trying to cancel him but it's not going to work.

Curious if Netflix will be forced to issue a statement about it.

by Anonymousreply 7October 7, 2021 4:30 AM

R1 and nothing of value was lost!

by Anonymousreply 8October 7, 2021 4:30 AM

To add: If anything, I'd be pissed if he gets industry criticism for what he said about the t brigade after his homophobic jokes barely made a blip on the radar.

by Anonymousreply 9October 7, 2021 4:31 AM

R9 they're complaining about those too but it's as part of the list of his "crimes" that they use to make him seem terrible because he said something true about sex (he says gender but clearly means sex). The focus in articles and hot takes on Twitter is on the trans remarks almost exclusively.

I can't find an exact transcript of what he said, either. Just some cherry picked pieces. So unless people have seen the special they aren't necessarily working with a full picture.

by Anonymousreply 10October 7, 2021 4:40 AM

[quote]Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact.

That type of thinking leads to LITERAL VIOLENCE!

by Anonymousreply 11October 7, 2021 4:40 AM

[quote] [R4] There's no such thing as "cis" people. There's just people. Whether they identify as trans is another issue.

There's really little difference between your policing my language than there is SJWs policing my language in the other direction. You will both claim that the difference is that you're right and the other one is wrong, and then again try to tell me what I can and cannot say.

To both of you I say: I'll use whatever words I like. So please: fuck off and die if you don't like it.

by Anonymousreply 12October 7, 2021 4:43 AM

R11 I can hear the trans crowd now: "Women aren't the only humans that can get pregnant! There's also trans men, who are men, but have uteruses! How do you explain THAT, Dave????"

by Anonymousreply 13October 7, 2021 4:45 AM

He needs to be taken care of.

by Anonymousreply 14October 7, 2021 4:46 AM

R12 oh, you can tell us to fuck off all you like, but you're still a nimtod for using trans' invented pseudoscience social word (borrowed from real science and misused) to describe EVERYONE ELSE WHO ISN'T TRANS. The whole point is to force language changes. Buying into the tricks isn't cool.

by Anonymousreply 15October 7, 2021 4:49 AM

R14 Cute.

by Anonymousreply 16October 7, 2021 4:50 AM

‘In trouble’ implies something will happen to him because of this; it won’t. He’s made his living pissing people off. That trans think they should be exempt is funnier than any joke he’s told.

by Anonymousreply 17October 7, 2021 4:53 AM

Tough spot because he's totally correct about the trans bullshit, but he's also a raging homophobe and never gets called out on THAT.

by Anonymousreply 18October 7, 2021 4:53 AM

[quote] R12 oh, you can tell us to fuck off all you like, but you're still a nimtod for using trans' invented pseudoscience social word (borrowed from real science and misused) to describe EVERYONE ELSE WHO ISN'T TRANS. The whole point is to force language changes.

And here [italic]you[/italic] are, equally trying to control my language and what I can and cannot say. I will not accept that, no matter how many times you keep repeating your commands.

I have stated my boundaries, Rainsong.

by Anonymousreply 19October 7, 2021 4:59 AM

What's funny is that if you Google "Dave Chappelle controversy" you get hits for every single one of his specials. There's almost an industry around who can be most outraged over something he's said.

This happens every time he releases something. And trans wasn't the only controversial thing mentioned, but it's what will generate the most outrage and therefore the most clicks, so that's what is being focused on. Everything else is "he also said x".

by Anonymousreply 20October 7, 2021 5:00 AM

R19 No. What I am is someone who disagrees with your use of language in this context where you purport to be resistant to the gender craze, however you're using their words to describe the majority of humanity. Your own language diminishes the rest of what you say.

The point, dear r19, is not that I'm "policing your language". One major issue with the gender craze is the denial of reality, to twist things that are known and factual and true, and you are using what is ACTUALLY an incorrect term, not a real usage of the word "cis". It's like correcting someone who says "it's" when they mean "its", or my typo of "nimtod" when I intended "nimrod", except your term has the potential to cause real harm given its source.

Obviously I can't control what you say, but I can point it out. And also point out how you're reducing your own argument with it.

by Anonymousreply 21October 7, 2021 5:08 AM

[quote] except your term has the potential to cause real harm given its source.

[italic]Mary.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 22October 7, 2021 5:16 AM

R22 I'm about a parsec away from claiming LITERAL VIOLENCE. But I am trying to underscore a larger point.

by Anonymousreply 23October 7, 2021 5:18 AM

What you hear is the sound of NO ONE CARING.

Chappelle is right, and it's true. He's not overly enlightened, but still able to speak the truth. There are only two sexes and genders, male and female.

by Anonymousreply 24October 7, 2021 6:09 AM

He's uncancellable. Or as he'd put it: "I'm rich, bitch."

by Anonymousreply 25October 7, 2021 6:15 AM

I love Dave Chappelle and I’m gay. He’s a brilliant comic. I don’t know the extent of his dislike of gay people and frankly I don’t care. I don’t need people to like me, I just need them to not interfere with my rights.

by Anonymousreply 26October 7, 2021 6:16 AM

[quote] I love Dave Chappelle and I’m gay. He’s a brilliant comic. I don’t know the extent of his dislike of gay people and frankly I don’t care. I don’t need people to like me, I just need them to not interfere with my rights.

And you don't think someone with a platform as large as his who says negative things about gay people is helping perpetuate hatred towards us, which in turn will likely interfere with our rights. Got it. As long as you think he's funny.

by Anonymousreply 27October 7, 2021 6:20 AM

Eddie Murphy went down this same path. It always ends with a tran in yo van.

by Anonymousreply 28October 7, 2021 6:20 AM

I watched the special and I didn't find it offensive to trans people. He weaves a story about his own journey from ignorance to realization about trans people and how they survive and thrive in the world.

Any trans person who can't handle someone sharing their journey to "awareness" is blinded by their own biases and their own bigotry. His special will actually help the trans community because he's so revered by straight cis males/females. They may self-reflect which is a step in the right direction.

by Anonymousreply 29October 7, 2021 6:27 AM

Is he calling for violence against gay people, R27? Or reversing of gay rights?

by Anonymousreply 30October 7, 2021 6:29 AM

I am now rushing to view it!

by Anonymousreply 31October 7, 2021 6:31 AM

Are you an idiot, R30, or just a moron?

by Anonymousreply 32October 7, 2021 6:41 AM

Answer the question or go fuck yourself, princess. Show me where he’s inciting hatred towards gay people.

by Anonymousreply 33October 7, 2021 6:55 AM

I fucking explained it in my first post. I'm not here to finger spell it into your palm until it makes it through your thick skull.

by Anonymousreply 34October 7, 2021 7:11 AM

^^^^ Calm down, Miss Sullivan, or you'll do yourself a mischief.

by Anonymousreply 35October 7, 2021 7:36 AM

[quote] And here you are, equally trying to control my language and what I can and cannot say. I will not accept that, no matter how many times you keep repeating your commands. I have stated my boundaries, Rainsong

Shut the fuck up, you fucking retard. No one is trying to police your language. You’re the one who’s trying to alter language by introducing made up trans words that bear no real meaning to its scientific origins. Do you not hear how retarded you sound?

by Anonymousreply 36October 7, 2021 7:55 AM

So Netflix simply puts a trigger warning before said episode. I don’t think Dave is homophobic and has likely dabbled in the homosex when he was younger. His type of comedy is whip-snap clever, and comes from a knowing place, I find him hilarious and self deprecating as well. He had some sort of mental breakdown years ago, but never played the victim card or tried to gain from it, he pulled himself up and you can see he spun a LOT of the adversity he dealt with into pure humor.. That’s just who he is and the trans community could learn a lot from him!

Should we condemn him for portrayals of crack addicts as well? Jeez.

by Anonymousreply 37October 7, 2021 7:56 AM

According to my hubby, the guy is a riot. Very funny and very accurate.

by Anonymousreply 38October 7, 2021 8:08 AM

When will people learn that these "controversies" only make him richer?

Somebody needs to tell these people it is just jokes. If you don't like it, then don't listen.

There are plenty of people (including some comedians) that I don't listen to primarily because they're not funny.

This is a big fat nothing burger!

by Anonymousreply 39October 7, 2021 8:52 AM

[quote]I'd be pissed if he gets industry criticism

None of these spoiled comedians who start whining about cancel culture get industry criticism. Chris Rock didn't, even Louis CK didn't. The only criticism they get is from the public, maybe an op ed here and there, never from the industry.

by Anonymousreply 40October 7, 2021 8:55 AM

This fucker has never been funny.

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by Anonymousreply 41October 7, 2021 8:58 AM

I saw it and it’s okay; he basically calls out the trans community and supports TERF. Nothing offensive; unless facts are offensive to you.

by Anonymousreply 42October 7, 2021 10:47 AM

Can't people make a joke or laugh about anything now without somebody screaming that they are offended.

The bottom line is if you don't like it don't watch or listen to it.

by Anonymousreply 43October 7, 2021 10:54 AM

[quote] Chappelle caused ire making jokes about Caitlyn Jenner

In fairness to Dave, Caitlyn is a walking joke.

by Anonymousreply 44October 7, 2021 11:03 AM

If Chappelle opens his mouth, someone better ask Chappelle about Eddie Murphy.

by Anonymousreply 45October 7, 2021 11:04 AM

Chappelle has had an overall rightwing vibe the last few years. He talked at length about not voting for Clinton in 2016 which was one thing, but coupled with his "Trump is hilarious" and "we should give him a chance" comments, it didn't seem like he was just a big leftie. He also said he was mad about the Access Hollywood stuff being leaked because "The way I got to hear it was even more gross. You know that came directly from Hillary."

Then he backtracked like he always does, later saying he didn't think Clinton would lose and Trump would win, but he simply thought it might happen because he knew how white people were. Then a couple years later, he said he regretted saying we should give Trump a chance.

When Biden won, he once again went on SNL and said that Biden voters needed to be "humble" because Trump voters were feeling bad, and he equated the plight of the poor white Trump voter to that of black Americans.

So now he's defending JKR like he defended poor white Trumpsters.

He also said he was making jokes about gays because gays were "punching down" on blacks. Of course, he equates the homophobic stuff with the transphobic stuff, because he doesn't see a difference, and one has to ask just how knowledgeable he even is about the trans/JKR issue if he thinks DaBaby's AIDS slurs are the same as JKR's transphobia.

[quote]Later, Chappelle, citing DaBaby and Black celebrities like Kevin Hart who have faced backlash for homophobic remarks, joked he would no longer make jokes targeting the LGBTQ+ community until "we are both sure that we are laughing together."

[quote]"I'm telling you, it's done, I'm done talking about it," he said. "All I ask of your community, with all humility: Will you please stop punching down on my people?"

I mean, you have to understand that a lot of people aren't surprised by any of what Chappelle said, given the things he's said over the last few years. Trying to turn this into an anti-trans troll talking point is futile, because Chappelle is all over the place, he doesn't differentiate between the different communities, he's one of those old guys who hates Democrats and liberals more than he hates Republicans, and he makes huge sacks of cash by being contrarian and offensive.

by Anonymousreply 46October 7, 2021 11:13 AM

[quote]With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States...

Lie.

[quote]...the majority of whom are Black transgender people...

Another lie.

by Anonymousreply 47October 7, 2021 11:18 AM

I don’t have to agree exactly with his politics to laugh at his show. He also pokes fun at gay behaviors and is every bit as cunty about them as a gay man could be, he’s almost too knowing for a straight guy. He’s definitely comfortable in his own skin, his approach as well as his emboldened candidness-

I can see how marginal people would envy that.

He also breaks the unspoken rule that, “Black people are not supposed to make fun of other Blacks when whites are present”.

I think it’s a bunch of SJW Whites that have issues with this because all the Blacks I see in his audiences and Black friends I know are doubled over laughing.

by Anonymousreply 48October 7, 2021 12:44 PM

For me, comic geniuses get a pass.

by Anonymousreply 49October 7, 2021 12:54 PM

Jesus Christ this is the type of bullshit that makes me shy away from identifying at all as part of the lgbt community. Give me a fucking break - he’s a comedian with jokes and an opinion. Next.

by Anonymousreply 50October 7, 2021 1:09 PM

Anybody with a brain is Team TERF.

by Anonymousreply 51October 7, 2021 2:56 PM

[quote] Shut the fuck up, you fucking retard.

Calling people derogatory names doesn't impress anyone.

You're no longer in elementary school.

by Anonymousreply 52October 7, 2021 3:17 PM

He can't be cancelled and he knows it. He will sell out any room he plays, no matter the size.

Stand up comics are discovering that the cancel culture is weakening. They have their fans, and the warriors trying to cancel them aren't their fans in the first place. Getting cancelled didn't affect Louis CK's ticket sales. Once that realization was made the comics who had "cancel" bullseyes on their backs didn't get taken out. D'lia is back on his podcast, Callen is back in his podcast with sponsers, Sagura and Christina P are richer than ever! Rogan keeps defecting bullets and Chappell will weather every storm the same way.

If you don't like their humor, than kindly fuck off! Their fans have their backs and I so do I. Make me laugh. Because I need it in this day and age!

by Anonymousreply 53October 7, 2021 3:18 PM

I don’t really get his obsession with this topic when it doesn’t seem to have any personal impact on his life. Then again, here I am, a frau on datalounge…

by Anonymousreply 54October 7, 2021 3:22 PM

It all just seems so unnecessary. Like why go down that road anyway. It’s not funny.

by Anonymousreply 55October 7, 2021 3:29 PM

Like, whether or not you agree with trans people on what they’re doing with their lives, they’re clearly going through some shit, so why mess with them? Just leave them alone. I guess I’m too soft-hearted for ruthless comedy.

by Anonymousreply 56October 7, 2021 3:32 PM

Chappell's comedy isn't ruthless. It's insightful. He points out the hypocrisy in all of us, including himself. He tells stories and takes you on a journey, while pointing out the ridiculousness of the story he's telling. His humor is intelligent and never vulgar, for the sake of being vulgar. His comedy makes you think.

by Anonymousreply 57October 7, 2021 3:44 PM

Nothing should be off limits in art or comedy.

by Anonymousreply 58October 7, 2021 3:46 PM

The problem is, he doesn’t seem particularly insightful when he ventures into talking about gay or trans people, at least to me. It falls flat and comes off as cruel unlike his skewering of racism, which is still super creative even in 2021.

by Anonymousreply 59October 7, 2021 4:20 PM

I watched his new stand up comedy and he was very funny and insightful. I haven't laughed that much in weeks. The alphabet people need to get over themselves. Like Dave would say" people that took 10 percent of the alphabet for themselves" . He is absolutely right Trans men and women aren't the gender they switched to. It is a form of cosplaying. A Trans woman who never mesturated can't be an authentic woman. Sorry you ain't a female. It takes a lot to be an actual man and woman.

by Anonymousreply 60October 7, 2021 4:29 PM

Chappelle is one of (if not the) greatest comics of our time. He steps on a lot of toes. You cannot please everyone with jokes. Somebody is not going to like what you are saying.

Comedy at its best makes you think and most of the time Chappelle does that. Comedy was never intended to be a kumbaya moment.

Leave him alone!

by Anonymousreply 61October 7, 2021 4:36 PM

[quote]A Trans woman who never mesturated can't be an authentic woman.

You're ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 62October 7, 2021 4:45 PM

[quote]I just need them to not interfere with my rights.

R26 Chappelle oppose equal marriage.

by Anonymousreply 63October 7, 2021 4:51 PM

[quote]Will you please stop punching down on my people?

He's clearly one of those black people who think gays have all the power in the world while black people have none. If that was the case, he wouldn't be making tens of millions of dollars telling his jokes.

[quote]people that took 10 percent of the alphabet for themselves

Well R60 someone should tell him that the NAACP used up a lot of letters themselves.

by Anonymousreply 64October 7, 2021 4:58 PM

R46 your attempts to paint him as a right wing troll have some giant gaping holes.

by Anonymousreply 65October 7, 2021 4:59 PM

I have never liked or accepted the prefix “cis-“ for all the reasons stated above. I do use it when discussing trans topics with my fervently (and equally illogical) pro-trans friend who is not trans himself.

And I know TERF is a term, not the same as the “cis-“ prefix, but I’m confused why people are embracing and accepting of the term to describe themselves? “Team TERF” and so on. Especially the “Radical” part of that acronym. I don’t consider JKR, Chappelle, or even Bethanny Fucking Frankel to be radical on their beliefs about trans issues, or even transphobic in nature. But then again… logic.

I hate the thought that in just writing this post, I’ve taught my phone that “cis-“ is an acceptable word to spell. Yup, it’s learned that now because it’s stopped correcting it to “cos-“ 🙄

by Anonymousreply 66October 7, 2021 5:15 PM

TERF came about because of the anti-trans sentiment within a defined political movement called radical feminists. This isn’t a general term for feminists who have radical beliefs, but a label for a specific group within the feminist movement who believe certain things—most importantly, that men are responsible for women’s inequality in all of its aspects. For that reason, radical feminists are very touchy about drawing lines between men and women. This anti-trans group within the radical feminists agitated to exclude trans women from their gatherings and groups, claiming they would hurt the group because they were men (the cause of all of women’s inequality). Thus, TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) was born.

by Anonymousreply 67October 7, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote] With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States -- the majority of whom are Black transgender people

Here we go again with their lies.

Facts please. Just the facts, Ma'am

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by Anonymousreply 68October 7, 2021 5:24 PM

By claiming that his words caused violence, are they then sanctioning violence against him? For example, we had an excuse to go to war when the USS Maine exploded. Could this work the same way? Trans activists have an excuse to harm Dave Chappelle or anyone who doesn't fall in line with their rhetoric because any deviation constitutes "violence"?

by Anonymousreply 69October 7, 2021 5:40 PM

The articles I’m reading keep saying that he is insulting the LGBTQ community. He’s not, he didn’t insult gays, lesbians or bisexual people. He wasn’t insulting trans people really just pointing out how ridiculous the trans movement has gotten.

by Anonymousreply 70October 7, 2021 5:52 PM

Dave is unstoppable. I agree with him and I’m very grateful for his courage and strength

by Anonymousreply 71October 7, 2021 5:55 PM

Maybe he’s a DLer.

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by Anonymousreply 72October 7, 2021 6:11 PM

R56 Because the trans lobby is proving to be very harmful to certain other groups who have historically experienced a great deal of hostility or discrimination including women, children and, PARTICULARLY, gay men and lesbians. Why would you support a homophobic agenda that views same-sex attraction as bigoted and transphobic?

by Anonymousreply 73October 7, 2021 6:17 PM

R62 you must be one of those Trans woman who thinks she is a woman because of a surgical boobs and artifical vagina. You have no womb and can't mesturate so stop playing a woman.

by Anonymousreply 74October 7, 2021 7:30 PM

He spares NO ONE !!!!! if you cant laugh at yourself its time to give your hangups a really big rest.

by Anonymousreply 75October 7, 2021 8:09 PM

r75 this crowd takes themselves deadly seriously. No humor is allowed, lest someone kill themselves!

by Anonymousreply 76October 7, 2021 8:13 PM

We turned it off after 5 minutes. He’s not joking anymore.

by Anonymousreply 77October 7, 2021 8:22 PM

r77 how many of his previous specials had you watched? He isn't exactly telling "jokes".

by Anonymousreply 78October 7, 2021 8:22 PM

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐋𝐲𝐧𝐜𝐡 𝐌𝐨𝐛 𝐃𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐀𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧

Cancel culture is threatening to shut down Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer.”

The always outspoken standup comic is pushing the public’s buttons again — and a swelling wave of culture critics and activist organizations are calling for his brand-new Netflix special to be yanked from the streaming giant’s catalog.

“In our country, you can shoot and kill a [N-word] — but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings,” Chappelle says onstage, referencing a 2018 shooting incident involving the rapper at a Walmart in North Carolina. The 19-year-old victim later died.

The brewing backlash is ample — but perhaps most shocking is the reaction from one of Netflix’s own: Jaclyn Moore, executive producer and showrunner of the streaming giant’s “Dear White People.”

Moore bluntly declared her self “done” with Netflix. “I love so many of the people I’ve worked with at Netflix,” she shared on Twitter after detailing her own transition in a passionate post. “Brilliant people and executives who have been collaborative and fought for important art,” Moore continued. “[But] I will not work with them as long as they continue to put out and profit from blatantly and dangerously transphobic content.”

Meanwhile, the National Black Justice Coalition, a civil rights advocacy group focused on the LGBTQ+ community, goes so far as to prod Netflix to pull “The Closer” from its menu.

“With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States — the majority of whom are Black transgender people — Netflix should know better,” NBJC executive director David Johns said in a statement to Deadline. “Perpetuating transphobia perpetuates violence. Netflix should immediately pull ‘The Closer’ from its platform and directly apologize to the transgender community.”

LGBTQ+ advocacy leaders at GLAAD also called out the acclaimed comic’s pattern of degrading jokes, declaring: “Chappelle’s brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.”

Chappelle goes on to claim there’s a big difference between the “old-school gangsta gays” who fought for change during the Stonewall era.

“I’m not that fond of these newer gays. Too sensitive. Too brittle. Those aren’t the gays I grew up with … They fought for their freedom. I respect that s–t.”

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by Anonymousreply 79October 7, 2021 8:38 PM

[quote]Perhaps most shocking is the reaction from one of Netflix’s own: Jaclyn Moore, executive producer and showrunner of the streaming giant’s “Dear White People.”

No one cares about Jaclyn Moore's performative grandstanding.

[quote]With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States

This is also complete and total bullshit. They never, ever are able to quote any legitimate statistics to back this up. It's used like a mantra, like "trans women are women", and is not based in reality.

I've also never heard of the "National Black Justice Coalition" but it sounds as if they've been taken over by trans activists as well. They definitely don't represent gays and lesbians, black or otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 80October 7, 2021 8:46 PM

Well if any of you want to go see him and Joe Rogan this month, head to Nashville or New Orleans.

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by Anonymousreply 81October 7, 2021 9:04 PM

Touring with Joe Rogan?! Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 82October 7, 2021 9:06 PM

[quote] We turned it off after 5 minutes. He’s not joking anymore.

Transfobia is never a joke. It’s never OK. 🤦🏼‍♀️

by Anonymousreply 83October 7, 2021 9:07 PM

I hope he has another one of his mental breakdowns and goes away with his asian pets.

by Anonymousreply 84October 7, 2021 9:14 PM

That’s great he’s defending Rowling but he’s no fan of gays. He’s a Muslim. Yes, yes, yes. I know Islam is the gay man’s religion but it’s not mine.

by Anonymousreply 85October 7, 2021 9:17 PM

r83 please explain how what he said is "transphobia".

by Anonymousreply 86October 7, 2021 9:32 PM

[quote]“In our country, you can shoot and kill a [N-word] — but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings,”

I always suspected that Chappelle believes equality is a zero sum game and any equality gay people achieve somehow diminished black equality.

[quote]I’m not that fond of these newer gays. Too sensitive. Too brittle. Those aren’t the gays I grew up with … They fought for their freedom. I respect that s–t.

I call bullshit on this. Does he really think we believe that if this were 1969 he wouldn't be on stage complaining about gay people working for equality for themselves and not doing enough for black equality? Just like Richard Pryor trashing gay people at a gay equality event because he felt black people weren't being treated right by the white people.

by Anonymousreply 87October 7, 2021 10:09 PM

r87 he said "newer gays", but who in fact was he referring to?

by Anonymousreply 88October 7, 2021 10:11 PM

R88 he recently trashed Don Lemon (again) by saying that he's noting like the "black and gay people" Chappelle knows. Apparently Lemon is "so self righteous". That's rich coming from Chappelle who said if you're working towards any kind of equality besides racial equality then you should be ashamed of yourself.

by Anonymousreply 89October 7, 2021 10:14 PM

Comedians should NEVER EVER make anyone feel uncomfortable. Never.

Ever!

by Anonymousreply 90October 7, 2021 10:14 PM

The same comedians and comedy fans who proclaim their right to talk about whatever they want seem unable to tolerate other people criticizing their work. Openness of speech goes both ways.

by Anonymousreply 91October 7, 2021 10:16 PM

R90 so you wouldn't feel uncomfortable if a comedian was on stage talking about how ridiculous it was for black people to use George Floyd, who was a criminal and a drug dealer, as their poster boy for their demands?

by Anonymousreply 92October 7, 2021 10:17 PM

It’s just hate. That’s all. Chappelle likes trans people way more than gays.

by Anonymousreply 93October 7, 2021 10:20 PM

[quote] With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States

What about women who are murdered every fucking hour?

by Anonymousreply 94October 7, 2021 10:20 PM

Oh, absolutely not R92.

by Anonymousreply 95October 7, 2021 10:20 PM

Michael Richards should be applauded for his black lynching routine, but he’s not.

by Anonymousreply 96October 7, 2021 10:21 PM

Look at these sacks of shit going after Michael Richards. When the table’s are turned, they don’t like it.

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by Anonymousreply 97October 7, 2021 10:24 PM

R91 Huh? Are we reading the same thread? People are saying Chappelle’s critics should be silenced or censored? Where?

by Anonymousreply 98October 7, 2021 10:25 PM

[quote] According to my hubby, the guy is a riot. Very funny and very accurate.

Well, if your "hubby" thinks that, it MUST be so!

by Anonymousreply 99October 7, 2021 10:28 PM

He's just angry because no matter how wealthy and connected to wealthy white bigots he is, he'll never be one of them.

by Anonymousreply 100October 7, 2021 10:29 PM

R12, you can use whatever language you like, and we will judge you on that basis - even though it's rather hypocritical of you to misgender Chappelle by using words for him that he no doubt rejects for himself. Still, it's your right, but just be aware that when you use language like that, it's a signal to the rest of us that your views are worthless.

by Anonymousreply 101October 7, 2021 10:30 PM

He doesn't sound angry, r100. There's also nothing bigoted about standing up to the trans cult bigots. In fact, it's rather brave.

by Anonymousreply 102October 7, 2021 10:31 PM

So it's brave of him to call gays pussys to R102?

by Anonymousreply 103October 7, 2021 10:32 PM

Chapelle seems more sympathetic towards trans. He has nothing but hate for gays.

by Anonymousreply 104October 7, 2021 10:33 PM

No, r103, because gays are an easy target, but say anything against the trans and you will have your head ripped off. People need to fight back against that bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 105October 7, 2021 10:35 PM

R87, Didn't Pryor say something like "how can a faggot be a racist?" during his rant? I wish somebody would've asked him how can a nigger be a homophobe, that would have shut him up. Black people really think they're the most oppressed demographic in the world and no other demographic could possibly have it worse. There are several countries around the world where it's still LEGAL to kill gay people. Chappelle and his kind can shove it.

by Anonymousreply 106October 7, 2021 10:36 PM

He hates you too R104 if you're a gay man that is.

by Anonymousreply 107October 7, 2021 10:45 PM

Sorry, That was for R105.

by Anonymousreply 108October 7, 2021 10:45 PM

[quote] just be aware that when you use language like that, it's a signal to the rest of us that your views are worthless.

"the rest of us"??

Not everyone is in agreement with you that just using the word :cis" somehow automatically disqualifies me entirely from public discourse.

Whether you care for my language is entirely your own affair. (And to be honest, it just doesn't interest me in the least.) But you are no spokesman for everyone else on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 109October 7, 2021 10:52 PM

I’m watching it now and he’s talking about glory holes and cracking me the hell up.

by Anonymousreply 110October 7, 2021 10:53 PM

Dave Chappelle is the kind of guy who befriends gay men just to gather info to use for jokes. If some white comedian did that with black people his life would be over, not to mention his career.

by Anonymousreply 111October 7, 2021 10:56 PM

R111 nothing wrong in that.

by Anonymousreply 112October 7, 2021 11:00 PM

R96 Are you comparing a guy talking about murdering and hanging black people to a man saying basically people with penises are men and people with vaginas are women?

by Anonymousreply 113October 7, 2021 11:03 PM

R106 You know Richard Pryor was bisexual and made jokes about his sexual encounters with men?

by Anonymousreply 114October 7, 2021 11:04 PM

Dave for the W

by Anonymousreply 115October 7, 2021 11:12 PM

R106 And also, why would you give a shit about gays being executed and imprisoned in these countries when a lot of them are black? Gay black people exist but it sounds like you have a problem with black people so they must not count in your eyes.

by Anonymousreply 116October 7, 2021 11:19 PM

R106 It’s just ironic you would talk about black people saying they’re the most oppressed what about the gays when black African gay men in their countries are some of the most oppressed gays in the world who face death and imprisonment.

by Anonymousreply 117October 7, 2021 11:21 PM

In comedy, everyone and everything should be up for grabs. He's not getting cancelled so these people need to get the fuck over it.

by Anonymousreply 118October 7, 2021 11:36 PM

My only complaint with what I've read about the routine (haven't watched it yet) is that Dave seems to conflate the LGB with the T.

And I do agree with him that LGB in the past were tougher. Ts too.

by Anonymousreply 119October 7, 2021 11:38 PM

"His jokes about the trans community in his "Sticks and Stones" special the following year also evoked anger."

Beautiful, beautiful irony.

by Anonymousreply 120October 7, 2021 11:38 PM

R114, Being bi and making jokes about his own sex life doesn't excuse him being homophobic, and I'm pretty sure he only mentioned sleeping with a trans person for about two weeks then he said he went back to being a heterosexual.

R116, R117, What are you getting at here? Being black has nothing to do with why they are being killed, they are killed because they are gay. Yes, I do have a problem with black people when they try to leverage their oppression over other minorities. African gay men are some of the most oppressed in the world. Yes, I agree, and who is murdering these African gay men in their native countries?....

by Anonymousreply 121October 7, 2021 11:43 PM

If it attacks a group I'm a member of, it's hate.

If it attacks a group I'm not a member of, especially if I perceive that group's claim to victimhood as somehow invalidating of my group's claim to victimhood, it's comedy.

by Anonymousreply 122October 7, 2021 11:43 PM

I watched it with my partner’s 60 year old Caucasian mother. She left the room and said it was racist to white people. I am biracial. Of all of the fucking people to be offended…so weird.

by Anonymousreply 123October 7, 2021 11:46 PM

[quote] Dave seems to conflate the LGB with the T.

Why shouldn't he? Aren't we continually told by our betters it's all one thing?

Justin Trudeau mocked after using ‘2SLGBTQQIA+’ acronym

“People across the country are lighting candles to honour Indigenous women, girls, and 2SLGBTQQIA+ people who are missing or have been murdered. We must continue to work together, raise awareness, and advocate to end this ongoing national tragedy. #SistersinSpirit,” the prime minister posted to Facebook and Twitter on Monday, referencing the Sisters in Spirit vigil, which honors women of specific racial or sexual identities who are missing or have been murdered.

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by Anonymousreply 124October 7, 2021 11:47 PM

R6, using your logic, there's no such thing as heterosexual people.

This guy hates gays, too

by Anonymousreply 125October 8, 2021 12:00 AM

The biggest laugh is the idea that Dave Chapelle wants the gays et al. to quit being so sensitive about AIDS jokes and instead throw ourselves into talking about the scourge of Black on Black crime and the our culture’s willingness to lionize Black male celebrities who engage in extreme anti-social behavior, provided they don’t fuck trannies or whatever. Black people would just LOVE that!

by Anonymousreply 126October 8, 2021 12:02 AM

R121 But these murdered gay men are black. So you have a problem with black people leveraging their oppression while admitting gay black African men are being murdered in their own countries and therefore are some of the most oppressed?

I’m confused. Because it still sounds like black people are still among the most oppressed even when you integrate homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 127October 8, 2021 12:09 AM

R119 I mean at this point, when you look at this board, we conflate LGBT with the T+ too.

I’m gay as fuck I’m not crazy about the alphabet soup people myself.

by Anonymousreply 128October 8, 2021 12:12 AM

R127, They are being killed by black African homophobes, Rose. Homophobia amongst black straight men is rife, even in America.

by Anonymousreply 129October 8, 2021 12:23 AM

This writer nails it!

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by Anonymousreply 130October 8, 2021 1:02 AM

Breitbart is trash.

by Anonymousreply 131October 8, 2021 1:05 AM

Yeah, I'm not a fan of GLAAD, but I'm not going to read a Breitfart article that calls them "far-left fascists."

by Anonymousreply 132October 8, 2021 1:07 AM

He’s not in trouble because he doesn’t give a shit. He’s too rich and successful. He’s like Rawling. He’s in a strong enough position that he can call them on their bullshit.

Their bullshit isn’t that they want to live as women. Sure, go ahead, mazeltov. Their bullshit in that they are raging narcissists who want 99.9% of people to be called non-trans (“cis”). They want the 99.9% of women in women’s groups to be silent about reproductive rights because “not all women have ovaries.” They want the world to have to stop and read their users manual to see which pronoun they use or else you’re a “deadnamer.”

And you know what? They’re getting away with it.

People are losing tenure or being ostracized unless they claim, absurdly, that a man who feels like a woman is for all purposes a woman.

You need to be pretty influential to buck this insane fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 133October 8, 2021 1:14 AM

Brietbart is looking for clickbait numbers. fuck them.

by Anonymousreply 134October 8, 2021 1:15 AM

John Nolte Is spot on when it comes to Hollywood woke crap. He’s a huge movie/ tv buff

by Anonymousreply 135October 8, 2021 2:11 AM

I watched it as I did his other specials. I like him and find him amusing even when I get a bit upset with something he says. I don’’t find him hilarious or laugh out loud funny most of the time but he is funny and I like hearing how he thinks about things. Often, I agree with him. It does seem like there is some kind of national contest going on to see who is the most victimized and downtrodden and he is just as bad when it comes to that contest as anyone else. Whatevs. It was enjoyable and I don’t think he said anything about hating anyone - just that he has issues with white people, not that he HATES white people. Just has problems with white people. I have problems with most humans so I’m kind of on his side.

by Anonymousreply 136October 8, 2021 2:27 AM

I agree with you R126, except the capitalizing “black” part.

by Anonymousreply 137October 8, 2021 2:37 AM

R133 True dat.

Both J.K. and Dave have the courage of their convictions, but they also have something else most people don’t have: a shit ton of fuck you money. A great many of those - in media, medicine, academia, politics - who are currently kowtowing to the transgender agenda do so because it can be extremely lucrative.

by Anonymousreply 138October 8, 2021 3:22 AM

[quote] not that he HATES white people. Just has problems with white people

Problems with white people" Or problems with the tunnel vision of certain types of white people.

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by Anonymousreply 139October 8, 2021 3:45 AM

During the show, when the camera is panning the audience near the front of the stage, there are two obese white lesbianic women with pink and blue hair. At the beginning they are clapping, smiling, and laughing. By the time he gets through the trans stuff, making fun of white people, and telling women to suck his dick they are looking quite....unhappy. One is even shaking her head angrily. For a moment, I thought they were actually there to heckle him.

It's amazing how life imitates art. Why would they even go to the show in the first place? They don't know who he is?

by Anonymousreply 140October 8, 2021 4:03 AM

He was right about all the performative shit white people do in these social movements. "Yes, I'll stand for women by wearing a black dress to the Golden Globes!" But the thought never crosses their mind to NOT ATTEND? Or better yet, volunteer your time in a women's shelter to help them get back on their feet?

Nothing that actually requires sacrifice. All a bunch of fake assholes who are afraid to lose a paycheck even when they're already rich.

by Anonymousreply 141October 8, 2021 4:07 AM

Pink and blue hair - they were likely "nonbinary" trans if they were lesbians, or since they were obese, MTF trans.

Most of the "outrage" over his comments has been performative.

by Anonymousreply 142October 8, 2021 4:08 AM

Yes, r140! I couldn’t keep my eyes off of them! I think one of them yelled out ‘NO!’ when he was talking about white women (or was it white people in general) voting for Trump. They were PISSED by the end of the show.

by Anonymousreply 143October 8, 2021 4:08 AM

Everyone on reddit says he's drunk 24/7 so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 144October 8, 2021 4:12 AM

[quote]Yes, [R140]! I couldn’t keep my eyes off of them!

They were definitely eye-catching but not for the reasons why people typically use that phrase. They very clearly stood out from the crowd.

by Anonymousreply 145October 8, 2021 4:14 AM

Until something drastically changes, refusing to acknowledge that only naturally born females can carry children is psychotic.

by Anonymousreply 146October 8, 2021 4:45 AM

Those two women were just actors put there to 'illustrate' his 'point'. You must be dumb if you think otherwise, but I guess most Chappelle fans are dumb.

by Anonymousreply 147October 8, 2021 4:52 AM

[quote] He was right about all the performative shit white people do in these social movements.

Thus has it ever been

Not that I really expect people here to know who Phil Ochs was

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by Anonymousreply 148October 8, 2021 5:02 AM

R129 And yet they’re still black Rose. Sounds like being black AND gay is still more oppressive than being just gay.

So black homophobia cancels out race? Is that your point? It’s stupid.

by Anonymousreply 149October 8, 2021 5:12 AM

Chapelle speaks truth to power.

by Anonymousreply 150October 8, 2021 5:17 AM

Was he good in Gaga's A Star is Born movie?

by Anonymousreply 151October 8, 2021 5:22 AM

It's amazing how the empathetic story he tells of his trans friend goes completely over the heads of people obsessed with being offended. It's equally amazing how many people don't perceive sarcasm or self-deprecation. They hear everything he says as literal and serious.

by Anonymousreply 152October 8, 2021 5:25 AM

And the concept of black homophobia is obnoxious.

There aren’t black people in the US pushing anti-gay laws.

There’s actually an old study that showed while black people are homophobic as white people, they are less discriminatory meaning they were less supportive of anti-gay and sodomy laws compared to white people.

Denying people homes as landlords, treating students like shit, rejecting employees based on being a minority is white people bullshit in the US.

by Anonymousreply 153October 8, 2021 5:25 AM

[quote]Or problems with the tunnel vision of certain types of white people.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

I don't think Dave Chappelle hates anyone. I think Dave Chappelle is calling out crazy. I think I'm very supportive of trans rights, but I'm also not anti-science. I know what a male is. I know what a female is. We all do. Call yourself whatever you want, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

And Chappelle is no homophobe. Dave Chappelle is not the problem.

by Anonymousreply 154October 8, 2021 5:27 AM

It’s true and he’s not even being mean. With any kind of plastic surgery it will never be the real thing.

by Anonymousreply 155October 8, 2021 5:32 AM

I don’t understand why white people think they’re less homophobic in the US? You’ve got the liberal East and West but everything else is fucking Midwest / south and it’s extremely homophobic. Gays only have safe spaces in major cities.

The most homophobic states in the US are states where there’s no fucking black people. Or states that are also the most racist like Alabama and Mississippi.

So the whole black people are more homophobic argument is dumb. Georgia is homophobic and makes the list and despite that, ATL has probably the biggest gay black community in the US.

by Anonymousreply 156October 8, 2021 5:32 AM

If people think Chappelle is anti-trans, they should check out DL.

Anyway, I loved the special. I mean, the priest joke? Against my better judgment, I laughed hard, not because sexual abuse of minors is funny, but because he was making fun of child-molesting priests and ... the joke was funny.

I was moved by the last twenty minutes or so, even shedding a few tears. It was quite a story. And now I know Daphne Dorman's name, who seemed like a troubled, but incredible person.

by Anonymousreply 157October 8, 2021 5:33 AM

And while we’re talking about all the dead trans women can we also focus on the high number of missing and murdered indigenous women across North America? It seems like maybe these murders have poverty, race and people without access to proper resources in common. Maybe that’s something we should focus on instead of pretending men can have babies.

by Anonymousreply 158October 8, 2021 5:37 AM

The Anderson Cooper joke was funny. I wonder if they're friends in real life. I would think Dave would find a near 60 year old man being worried about his looks on instagram like some teen ridiculous.

However, I do have a vague memory of AC being in the crowd of one of his older specials.... but perhaps I'm misremembering.

by Anonymousreply 159October 8, 2021 5:47 AM

He's beloved and considered a true genius by just about everyone in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 160October 8, 2021 6:06 AM

[quote]My only complaint with what I've read about the routine (haven't watched it yet) is that Dave seems to conflate the LGB with the T.

All straight people do. They're not really big thinkers on subjects other than ESPN and beer, so the recent bizarre takeover of Gay equality by the Trans Agenda aligns with their pre-existing belief that all gay men want to be women.

I guess we need to talk more slowly so they understand.

by Anonymousreply 161October 8, 2021 6:26 AM

R157 I totally agree. I thought the stuff about Daphne Dorman was genuinely moving, heartbreaking, and funny all at the same time. The ability to execute material like that is why Chappelle is reckoned to be one of the best ever at his craft.

by Anonymousreply 162October 8, 2021 8:16 AM

[quote] I think I'm very supportive of trans rights, but I'm also not anti-science. I know what a male is. I know what a female is.

Uh, your statement just proves you’re not supportive and you don’t know what a male or female is and how it exists on a spectrum. It just proves you’re a TURF!

by Anonymousreply 163October 8, 2021 8:39 AM

R163, I do know and I am supportive. I am supportive of anyone living their lives as they see fit. If your brain is telling you that you're a woman and you're over 18, then be a woman. I have no issues with that, live your truth. Use whatever bathroom you want. You be you.

There is no spectrum. Biology isn't biased, it just is what it is. If you have to circumvent biology through medical, cosmetic and reconstructive procedural means to be the gender your brain is telling you that you are that's all fine and good, but mother nature knows the truth.

Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. I don't use her dead name, I use her proper pronouns, in my mind she's a woman, but it's woman with an asterisk. Same with Elliot Page. He's a man with an asterisk.

As for all the dead trans women. It's horrible and something needs to be done about it. But, on the other hand, be honest with straight men from the beginning. I don't care how good you look, I don't care how much you can pass. Tell them, don't play games.

[quote]I don’t understand why white people think they’re less homophobic in the US? You’ve got the liberal East and West but everything else is fucking Midwest / south and it’s extremely homophobic. Gays only have safe spaces in major cities.

A lot of people, especially here on Datalounge, have convinced themselves that because white people don't call them the f word to their faces or yell it out when they're walking by and because their families tolerate them that white people are somehow less homophobic than black people. Before Trump, I was amazed at how white people could smile in your face and then slice and dice you behind your back. It was a great skill and it's one I miss. I think Trump gave them permission to just let it all hang out. Truth is, white people, everywhere except the blue bubbles most Dataloungers live in, are homophobic as fuck and they prove it with their votes.

by Anonymousreply 164October 8, 2021 1:30 PM

It’s okay to not be supportive.

by Anonymousreply 165October 8, 2021 1:31 PM

All the dead trans women?

by Anonymousreply 166October 8, 2021 1:34 PM

r147 scurry back to your Q-anon meeting please

by Anonymousreply 167October 8, 2021 2:42 PM

r156 in the cities in the midwest everyone is not "extremely homophobic". Times have changed. You sound like you're in a coastal bubble.

by Anonymousreply 168October 8, 2021 2:45 PM

R164, I’m black and gay. It’s the same with white racists. Some people prefer them to smile and act kind, even though they will call you a N***** the second you walk away (or in front of your face if they’re really drunk). I would prefer that people are honest in the beginning. Don’t smile to my face and call me a N***** or F** the second I walk away. My partner is white and from a small town in the Midwest. I estimate that 90% of his family are both homophobic and racist. His aunt literally quit the church that she was very involved in (Lutheran) just because they decided to allow gay marriage. These people are disgusting, but I’m glad they have shown who they are so I can avoid them as much as possible.

by Anonymousreply 169October 8, 2021 2:53 PM

At any rate- if you actually watch “The Closer” and listen to his words- Dave Chapelle is not transphobic nor homophobic. Perhaps it’s too much for people to understand or get their heads around…

by Anonymousreply 170October 8, 2021 2:56 PM

I haven't read all through this thread, but I watched the show last night and it was fantastic: hilarious, thoughtful, smart, and empathetic. I don't know how you can watch it all the way through to the end and come away thinking Dave Chapelle hates anybody.

by Anonymousreply 171October 8, 2021 2:58 PM

r164 if your comments weren't solely focused on "white people" your statements would have more of an impact.

Also - more than half the population of the US lives in the blue cities. You're acting like the vast majority of the US is homophobic, when that isn't the case at all.

by Anonymousreply 172October 8, 2021 3:00 PM

r171 I doubt most people posting in this thread, or giving hot takes on Twitter, have watched it.

by Anonymousreply 173October 8, 2021 3:01 PM

Why would they? Words are violence, remember. Most of them would literally die before the end of the show.

by Anonymousreply 174October 8, 2021 3:32 PM

This joke was very funny:

[quote]Now, I'm not saying trans pussy isn't real pussy. But it's Beyond Pussy. Impossible Pussy.

by Anonymousreply 175October 8, 2021 4:05 PM

😂 lmao r175. And trans people are delusional

by Anonymousreply 176October 8, 2021 4:11 PM

R53 Since when is Rogan a stand up comedian? Or a sit down comedian? Or any type of a comedian?

by Anonymousreply 177October 8, 2021 4:44 PM

r177, you may not think he's funny, but plenty of other people do. He can sell out stadiums.

by Anonymousreply 178October 8, 2021 4:46 PM

This thread has really assembled the Rogan and Breitbart fans on DL.

by Anonymousreply 179October 8, 2021 4:47 PM

Plenty of people are morons, hence the big audiences for right-wing freakshows like muslim Chapelle and alt-right Rogan. What you see on this threads is just a couple of our conservatard trolls and their multiple accounts. No real self-respecting gay man would cream himself over this loons Chappelle and Rogan.

by Anonymousreply 180October 8, 2021 4:58 PM

*these

by Anonymousreply 181October 8, 2021 4:59 PM

I'm going to assume that r180 has never listened to either Chapelle or Rogan in his entire life.

by Anonymousreply 182October 8, 2021 5:03 PM

R175, trans pussy is no difference that his. It is not real and will never be real.

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by Anonymousreply 183October 8, 2021 5:03 PM

R168 Which is why I said gays are safest in major cities. That doesn’t exclude the south and Midwest. These are states that have the least protections for gay rights and some are still fighting gay marriage.

by Anonymousreply 184October 8, 2021 5:05 PM

Just saw The Closer and it is excellent. It's not transphobic or homophobic; it's insightful and doesn't pull its punches, which is upsetting to many people.

I wonder how these people would have reacted to Richard Pryor? People seem so much more fragile now.

by Anonymousreply 185October 8, 2021 5:08 PM

[quote] I wonder how these people would have reacted to Richard Pryor? People seem so much more fragile now.

Chappelle made the same point.

‘𝑭𝒖𝒄𝒌 𝑻𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒕𝒆𝒓’: 𝑫𝒂𝒗𝒆 𝑪𝒉𝒂𝒑𝒑𝒆𝒍𝒍𝒆 𝑨𝒅𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒆𝒔 𝑩𝒂𝒄𝒌𝒍𝒂𝒔𝒉 𝒕𝒐 𝑻𝒓𝒂𝒏𝒔𝒑𝒉𝒐𝒃𝒊𝒄 𝑱𝒐𝒌𝒆𝒔

“If this is what being canceled is like, I love it,” the comedian reportedly said to a standing ovation that included celebrities like Brad Pitt and Tiffany Haddish. He added later, “Fuck Twitter. Fuck NBC News, ABC News, all these stupid ass networks. I’m not talking to them. I’m talking to you. This is real life.”

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by Anonymousreply 186October 8, 2021 5:22 PM

[quote]Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. I don't use her dead name...

Strike one.

Strike two.

by Anonymousreply 187October 8, 2021 5:49 PM

[quote]As for all the dead trans women. It's horrible and something needs to be done about it. But, on the other hand, be honest with straight men from the beginning. I don't care how good you look, I don't care how much you can pass. Tell them, don't play games.

Huh??

Why does this magical, fictional narrative get repeated as fact? For some reason woke America has crafted a single dramatic narrative for why a trans person is killed, that being the violent gay panic that occurs when a straight man discovers during sex that this pretty girl has a penis! What fairytale are you people living in? Life is NOT like "The Crying Game"!

"Trans women" are at the very bottom of the socio-economic ladder for many reasons, including the fact that they do not pass AT ALL, and this makes people uncomfortable in the workplace. They also tend to be needy, demanding troublemakers, and have many issues and lots of jobs probably won't hire them because they seem like a problem or lawsuit waiting to happen.

I'd wager the vast majority of trans women are involved in prostitution which is extremely dangerous. I'd say about 0% of men sleeping with trans women don't know exactly what they've sought out, and tranny chasers can be very troubled men, often violent dangerous individuals hiding from their gayness. I'd say trans women are murdered more because they are perceived as "gay" and not because they might appear as "women".

You'd think it was hundreds and hundreds of murdered trans women a year, when the actual number is about thirty. Yes, it is awful, but hardly the epidemic we're led to believe. I'd also guess most "Trans Women of Color", the very highest on the victim pyramid, are mostly murdered by "straight" black men in the course of their prostitution, or other very dangerous activities.

by Anonymousreply 188October 8, 2021 6:05 PM

Meh. He's just joining with other comedians jumping on the contrarian bandwagon in an effort to establish increased visibility. Nothing about his routines struck me as fresh or insightful. I suppose they would seem fresh or insightful if you've been living in a cave for the last decade without cable, streaming, or internet. I'd say that his latest routines are a perfect example of "punching down," but really, he's actually just desperately punching up. Keep reaching for the stars, Dave! You'll get there someday!

by Anonymousreply 189October 8, 2021 6:31 PM

Dave had the perfect response to wokeness. FUCK THEM. well said Dave and might I had most people have had enough with their bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 190October 8, 2021 6:34 PM

[quote]There aren’t black people in the US pushing anti-gay laws

Sorry, R153, but that statement is a blatant lie, and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 191October 8, 2021 6:36 PM

It’s a complete lie R191. That Democrat tent is not big enough for blacks, gays, and Muslims. The only people to be kicked out of that tent are gays.

by Anonymousreply 192October 8, 2021 6:55 PM

Evey one excuses homophobia and anti-gay jokes. No one tolerates anything remotely racial from white comedians. It's bullshit. Anyone is permitted to make fun of gay people but gay people can't go on stage and make fun of racial minorities unless they belong to that race. That's a double standard that needs to end if we're all going to be equal.

by Anonymousreply 193October 8, 2021 8:00 PM

[quote]I’m not that fond of these newer gays — too sensitive, too brittle. I miss the old-school gays … the Stonewall gays. They didn’t take shit from anybody.

We're not taking shit from him and he's trashing us. Clearly he's full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 194October 8, 2021 8:04 PM

This will be all he’s remembered for - being at odds with gays and the others. Like Kinison.

by Anonymousreply 195October 8, 2021 10:20 PM

R180, is a woke loon who supports the homophobic trans movement.

by Anonymousreply 196October 8, 2021 10:22 PM

[quote]I’m not that fond of these newer gays — too sensitive, too brittle. I miss the old-school gays … the Stonewall gays. They didn’t take shit from anybody.

If this were 1985, he’d be making AIDS jokes and calling gays necrophiliacs. Maybe. I don’t think he’s on par with Kinison. Both hit low, of course, especially at gays. Only gays, but I don’t think Chapelle would think up necrophilia.

by Anonymousreply 197October 8, 2021 10:23 PM

It's 2021 and he's still making AIDS jokes.

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by Anonymousreply 198October 8, 2021 10:30 PM

I find this bit from his show very interesting:

[quote]“We Blacks,” he says, “we look at the gay community and we go … ‘Look how well that movement is going. Look how well you are doing. And we’ve been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years. How … are you making that kind of progress?’ I can’t help but feel like if slaves had baby oil and booty shorts, we might have been free a hundred years sooner.”

He clearly has issues with gay people having equality.

by Anonymousreply 199October 8, 2021 10:32 PM

Because gays took control of their own lives and came out as responsible adults. But that’s all gone to shit post-gay marriage. That quote is from before 2015, I think. 2015 was the end of gay rights.

by Anonymousreply 200October 8, 2021 10:36 PM

This is "Jacklyn" Moore, by the way.

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by Anonymousreply 201October 8, 2021 10:42 PM

Actually R200 that was from his latest show The Closer.

by Anonymousreply 202October 8, 2021 10:43 PM

Do you have the article?

by Anonymousreply 203October 8, 2021 10:44 PM

Or the link, rather.

by Anonymousreply 204October 8, 2021 10:45 PM

Here you go R204. It's the Washington Post so I hope it shows up.

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by Anonymousreply 205October 8, 2021 10:47 PM

Here you go R204. It's the Washington Post so hopefully it shows up.

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by Anonymousreply 206October 8, 2021 10:48 PM

Huh, it showed up twice!

by Anonymousreply 207October 8, 2021 10:48 PM

Of course nobody is talking about his blatant antisemitic joke. That was worse than his trans or gays ‘jokes.’

by Anonymousreply 208October 8, 2021 10:49 PM

What was it R208?

by Anonymousreply 209October 8, 2021 10:50 PM

R209- see link.

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by Anonymousreply 210October 8, 2021 10:58 PM

[quote]That much is obvious, early in the special, where he talks about an idea for a film centered on an ancient civilization that discovered space travel, left the planet and then came back, determined to claim the Earth for their own. His punchline is the title for the film: Space Jews.

by Anonymousreply 211October 8, 2021 11:16 PM

Dave Chapelle—has huge problems with gays. He almost fought a white gay guy. Come talk to me when Scott Thompson opens for him.

by Anonymousreply 212October 8, 2021 11:17 PM

[quote] His punchline is the title for the film: Space Jews.

It's already been done

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by Anonymousreply 213October 8, 2021 11:29 PM

[quote]Dave Chapelle—has huge problems with gays. He almost fought a white gay guy. Come talk to me when Scott Thompson opens for him.

Sorry, he pummeled a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 214October 8, 2021 11:37 PM

R199, For someone who complains about "woke" culture he's certainly displaying his own victim mentality there. Again, with the self absorption that "black folk have it worse than anyone else". So basically it's just the oppression Olympics with him?

by Anonymousreply 215October 9, 2021 12:00 AM

R199, he was complimenting gay people for making progress so quickly.

by Anonymousreply 216October 9, 2021 12:04 AM

Is there anything we as a culture love more than this? All the virtue-signalling twats, who never do shit offline for any of the causes they so screechily support, get to be their favourite thing: outraged. And all suburban edgeglords get to do their favourite thing: have brave and controversial opinions on the internet.

This guy is at his sold out show at the Hollywood Bowl saying courageous things like "fuck Twitter" and "fuck NBC News" whilst Brad Pitt applauds. I mean, does it get any edgier than that? Does it?

Fuck it, this is getting lazy as hell. Bill Burr did this in a recent special too. First half of the show is "women are so lame, not as good as men, oh boooo yeah, you know it's true!" second half is "lol I was just kidding, don't you even know what jokes are you SJWs? lookie here I got a daughter and everything how could I be sexist?!" Both of these men are capable of the highest level of comedy when they try but this anti-woke stuff is getting to be about as boring and predictable as the wokery.

by Anonymousreply 217October 9, 2021 12:09 AM

It’s very pathetic. I agree. It’s not edgy. It’s boring.

by Anonymousreply 218October 9, 2021 12:13 AM

r211 You're taking the joke out of context. He sets up the joke to fail at the beginning on purpose. Because he recalls the joke later (which is a common goal for stand ups) and the payoff is quite successful.

He's an orator. He's telling a story and taking the viewer on a journey. He's very talented and intelligent and everything he says is quite deliberate and said a certain way on purpose.

If you watched the special, you would experience this.

He nailed it with this special.

by Anonymousreply 219October 9, 2021 12:17 AM

R217, the last 20 minutes of The Closer was not anti-woke, woke, boring, or predictable.

Did you even watch it?

by Anonymousreply 220October 9, 2021 12:18 AM

Jesus, some of you prisspot cunts on this thread are fucking tragic.

by Anonymousreply 221October 9, 2021 12:20 AM

Despite it being offensive, I actually liked the special.

What I find funny today is that the most woke prisspot SJW of us all - Dan Levy - posted this black woman on his Instagram as a face of his eyeglass company which is all about “seeing with love.” You click on the woman’s Instagram profile and she has a post about how Dave Chapelle is the greatest comedian of all time and how she loved the special. Doesn’t seem consistent with #1 trans ally and LGBTQIA+2L spokesperson Dan Levy.

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by Anonymousreply 222October 9, 2021 12:24 AM

Dave doesn not give a fuck. I think hes hilarious .This neutering of comedians is ridiculous and has to stop. Joan Rivers would have these motherfuckers on the floor foaming at the mouth were she still kicking it.

by Anonymousreply 223October 9, 2021 12:26 AM

R216, Minimising the efforts of gay liberation to just booty shorts and baby oil. Yeah, such a lovely compliment.

So you didn't get the part where it's implied that gay people had it easier? "We Blacks have been stuck in this predicament for hundreds of years... " he says, as if homophobia hasn't been around for much longer.

by Anonymousreply 224October 9, 2021 12:26 AM

I wish Lisa Lampinelli hadn't retired. My god, the first time I saw one of her specials, I couldn't believe what I was hearing! By the end, I was all in! Love her!

by Anonymousreply 225October 9, 2021 12:30 AM

The fact that he's friends with Joe Rogan and gave a bunch of people covid because he refused to wear a mask, kinda proves that at a base level he's an asshole, a funny asshole, but still an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 226October 9, 2021 12:31 AM

r224 Hate to break it to you, but gay people DID have it easier. They could hide in plain sight and blend in to their community. They could create the illusion of "straightness" by marrying and having kids.

Black people couldn't hide the color of their skin.

by Anonymousreply 227October 9, 2021 12:33 AM

Yep, I had it easier as a feminine boy getting called “faggot” by everybody.

by Anonymousreply 228October 9, 2021 12:44 AM

You're a narcissist, r228. I have more news for you.... You WERE a little faggot. Look in the mirror. Were they wrong?

Now, a black young man being beaten and lynched to death because he allegedly complimented a white girl in an elevator? Who lied, by the way.... Mmmmmyeah... I'd say the struggle doesn't compare.

by Anonymousreply 229October 9, 2021 12:50 AM

Yep, it’s my fault. I’m a narcissist. A little kid. I’ve been told that my whole life. If I wasn’t such a faggot I wouldn’t have such a problem.

by Anonymousreply 230October 9, 2021 12:52 AM

I’m a narcissist, and I also vote. I know not to vote the way you vote.

by Anonymousreply 231October 9, 2021 12:52 AM

Lololol R230 You're a lost cause. You'll never get it.

ZOOMER TROLL ON THE LOOSE, EVERYONE!!!

by Anonymousreply 232October 9, 2021 12:54 AM

Ugh—can Democrats be voted out please? PLEASE!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 233October 9, 2021 12:55 AM

And bring back segregation. Sick of blacks.

by Anonymousreply 234October 9, 2021 12:57 AM

R227, Hate to break it to you but racism wasn't even a concept until the 17th century, so black people didn't need to hide their skin color. Nice try.

by Anonymousreply 235October 9, 2021 1:00 AM

The Spanish enslaved black Africans in the 15th century, toots.

by Anonymousreply 236October 9, 2021 1:07 AM

Me, immediately after reading this tread -- turned on Netflix to make sure I see in case they pull it.

by Anonymousreply 237October 9, 2021 1:09 AM

Fuckin' A, r235 you are really flexing your trolling skills!!

So, ONLY 400 years of oppression? ONLY 400 YEARS? Racism was a concept HERE in North America in the 17th century, but the kidnapping and oppression of black slaves existed in the Caribbean prior to North America... and even goes back further with the Dutch enslaving South Africans prior to the slave trade routes.

Guess who wasn't getting kidnapped and oppressed, en masse? Queers.

by Anonymousreply 238October 9, 2021 1:12 AM

r235, except it wasn't lifelong slavery nor was it based on race, then. It was based on who was conquered and they could earn freedom, and assimilate as they tried with the Indigenous Americans who succumbed to disease and weren't the best slaves.

It was the North American colonies who started and made legal the slavery for life, and generations to come for African slaves.

by Anonymousreply 239October 9, 2021 1:13 AM

Slavery is wrong.

by Anonymousreply 240October 9, 2021 1:18 AM

[quote]During the special, which debuted Tuesday, Chappelle says "Gender is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth.

And I'm sure somewhere on Earth there are trans scientists working to find a way to change this fact.

by Anonymousreply 241October 9, 2021 1:19 AM

OK. I just saw the show and it was FANTASTIC from beginning to end. I highly encourage anyone who has not seen it to watch the whole thing before you criticize it.

This "controversy" is the perfect example of a mob mentality where someone hears about a few words taken out of context and then begins a crusade of hatred and cancel culture.

It's not the way angry critics are characterizing it. They just don't like him and are creating as an excuse to go after him.

If you are a fan (and especially an LGBTQ fan) you will LOVE this show!

There are touching moments, some hilarious moments, but most importantly Dave does what he always does - he makes you Think!

There is nothing inappropriate. The show is very well done.

by Anonymousreply 242October 9, 2021 1:21 AM

R236, The concept of racism, hon. Not slavery. Lots of races were enslaved not just black African people. R238 Get over yourself triggered loon. You didn't have it as bad that's why you're flexing and bringing in other black races around the world that has nothing to do with racism in the US. Homophobia is global, and gay people are still being killed for being gay. Piss off, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 243October 9, 2021 1:22 AM

Andrew Sullivan -- Dave Chappelle Is Right, Isn't He?

The comedian defends reality. Which is currently under siege.

The Closer is, in fact, a humanely brilliant indictment of elite culture at this moment in time: a brutal exposure of its identitarian monomania, its denial of reality, and its ruthless tactics of personal and public destruction. It marks a real moment: a punching up against the powerful, especially those who pretend they aren’t.

Bigoted? Please. Anyone who can watch this special and think Chappelle is homophobic or transphobic is either stupendously dumb or a touchy fanatic. He is no more transphobic than J.K. Rowling, i.e. not at all, and the full set masterfully proves it to anyone with eyes and ears.

In this battle, Chappelle is on the front lines. Not of bigotry. But of objective reality. Remember Orwell’s critical insight into totalitarian thought: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Who else, one wonders, has the courage to disobey?

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by Anonymousreply 244October 9, 2021 2:07 AM

Just finished watching it. Very good. Laughed, took no offense. The only thing not correctly stated is that gender is a fact. I'm no advocate for the trans community but Gender is a social construct. Sex and biology is a fact.

by Anonymousreply 245October 9, 2021 2:26 AM

r24, here you and all others who agree with you have misinterpreted gender. Gender is woman and man. Sex is male and female.

Male rabbit, female horse, male or female human. Woman and man are gender and a social construct. The problem is people don't understand that. There were people named berdache who exhibited a 3rd gender. They were what we would consider nowadays as non-binary or they. They were respected in their communities and not looked upon negative in anyway. They were separate and had their own spaces.

The problem I have with the current trans community is an insistence on becoming binary, and the other sex. Be who you want but you aren't a woman if you were born with a penis, you are a transwoman and stop trying to take spaces that belong to woman. And vice versa with the transman. Although you never really get attention to the transman because they usually aren't as attention seeking.

I'm all for a 3rd gender but just be a 3rd and stop trying to convince the world you were able to stop being one and now are the other. We don't believe it.

by Anonymousreply 246October 9, 2021 2:36 AM

I thought that Chappelle's SNL Nigger Lessons monologue was much edgier. Telling poor white people that the wealthy overlords have no room for them and that to understand how they will be treated in the future, they need Nigger Lessons.

THAT was prescient (pronounced like a regular person, PRESH 'nt) and brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 247October 9, 2021 2:46 AM

Seriously wonder if you people complaining actually watched the entire series he did for Netflix, if you did, you would understand what it was all about...amazing that after watching that series anyone could say he is anti anyone...or you are going into it with a bias attitude. The weaving of stories is amazing and a true art, he just doesn't get up there an slam people...wake up watch it and then tell me is anti anything...

by Anonymousreply 248October 9, 2021 2:47 AM

r240, I think we all agree with that. But prior to THE AMERICAS, slavery was going on for centuries. People that were in debt actually volunteered to become slaves to pay off what they owed. Conquered nations took slaves as spoils of war. Those slaves served for a time and either assimilated into the winners of the wars or were killed. They weren't slaves for lifetimes. They were slaves of all races. In South American they tried to enslave the indigenous people along with poor Europeans and Africans. But it wasn't until the American Colonies future USA, did it become about generational free labor of African people. And in order to do such a horrible thing to a human being they are to depict the African slave as some inferior specimen. Create an idea of a people who were monsters, ugly and savage so the good Christian people living in the new world would be okay with it. This is what birthed racism. The U.S.A.

To deny this is putting your head in the sand. Still love this country but stop pretending it didn't have its flaws and that people who were oppressed for centuries don't have the right to be angry about it now and then.

White populations are up in arms because for about half a decade people have called them out. But well...this was their country, well they invaded and kicked the Indian off it, so technically yeah it's supposed to be a white country.

by Anonymousreply 249October 9, 2021 2:49 AM

R249 actually I think Brazil which only abolished slavery in 1888 takes the title.

"Slavery in Brazil began long before the first Portuguese settlement was established in 1516, with members of one tribe enslaving captured members of another. Later, colonists were heavily dependent on indigenous labor during the initial phases of settlement to maintain the subsistence economy, and natives were often captured by expeditions called bandeiras ("Flags", from the flag of Portugal they carried in a symbolic claiming of new lands for the country). The importation of African slaves began midway through the 16th century, but the enslavement of indigenous peoples continued well into the 17th and 18th centuries.

During the Atlantic slave trade era, Brazil imported more enslaved Africans than any other country. An estimated 4.9 million enslaved people from Africa were imported to Brazil during the period from 1501 to 1866. Until the early 1850s, most enslaved African people who arrived on Brazilian shores were forced to embark at West Central African ports, especially in Luanda (present-day Angola)."

by Anonymousreply 250October 9, 2021 2:55 AM

r243 Excuse me?--- "bringing in other black races around the world" ??????

Are you high?

I'm not going debate someone who's clearly been homeschooled and never been to college.

And just fyi, "Trolling" isn't a major when you finally DO move out of your parents' basement and "focus on your future"!

by Anonymousreply 251October 9, 2021 3:01 AM

Back on topic, Netflix is not going to pull Closer, I think the communities that are asking just totally missed the boat and are doing exactly what he described. But Netflix paid him already and no one will boycott because they need to see their squid game.

by Anonymousreply 252October 9, 2021 3:06 AM

r250 however the English settlers/American settlers made it generational. Children of slaves born of European fathers (masters) successfully sued for freedom being of a patriarchal society. However the patriarchal society in the American Colonies saw fit to legally declare that the a child's sovereignty was based on that of it's mother. Hence masters could rape their slaves all they wanted and now have another slave in their household. They legally added to the generations of slaves. It wasn't like that in Brazil.

by Anonymousreply 253October 9, 2021 3:13 AM

R253 sure it was. Masters raped slaves there too. Brazil was the worst. And black Brazilians, pardos, etc. still suffer from terrible bigotry. Hell, the Brazilians have racial classifications: "The Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE), which has conducted censuses in Brazil since 1940, racially classifies the Brazilian population in five categories: branco (white), pardo (brown), preto (black), amarelo (yellow), and indigenous."

Brown = biracial with lighter skin than pretos.

by Anonymousreply 254October 9, 2021 3:18 AM

R240 is a deep thinker.

by Anonymousreply 255October 9, 2021 3:31 AM

Looking it up it certainly does appear Brazil slavery was generational.

In Brazil manumission could be accomplished in the following ways:

(1) the slave could purchase himself;

(2) his master could liberate him during his life;

(3) or he could manumit him at his death;

(4) a Negro woman who had brought ten children into the world by virtue of her tenth became free;

(5) also, the price of a new-born babe was so slight, that often the infant was purchased its freedom by friends.

The slave infant was not automatically freed.

Not that it was a major issue since the slaves tended to be worked to death, which was why they needed to ship 90% of the trade to the Caribbean, Dutch Guiana, and Brazil.

by Anonymousreply 256October 9, 2021 3:33 AM

[quote][R24], here you and all others who agree with you have misinterpreted gender. Gender is woman and man. Sex is male and female.

Please stop insulting me with this TRA gibberish. You are creating a bizarre difference where none exists. The reasonable and intelligent reject this dangerous, anto-scientific bullshit. All men are male and all women are female and attempts to uncouple those truths are just plain daffy.

by Anonymousreply 257October 9, 2021 3:33 AM

[Quote] This is what birthed racism. The U.S.A.

R249 You really don’t have a single original thought in your head, do you? Just an impressive ability to regurgitate the latest baseless, easily disproved academic mumbo jumbo. Pretty amazing to behold when you’re actually holding a magic answer machine right there in your hot little hands!

People have subjugated each other for millennia on the basis of ethnicity. Think the Jews in Egypt or the caste system in India. Google racism in ancient China or Rome. Hell, check out what some of the indigenous nations in the Americas did to each other before Columbus showed up.

The African American experience has been pretty horrific thus far, but it’s hardly unique. All kinds of people have been doing all kinds of shitty things to each other pretty much since time began. Anyone who tells you racism was “invented” by white people in the United States is either bone ignorant or lying.

by Anonymousreply 258October 9, 2021 3:43 AM

I’ve got no horse in this race, but he seems obsessed with trans people.

by Anonymousreply 259October 9, 2021 3:45 AM

I love Dave Chappelle, I've always loved him. Through all his troubles and craziness, it never made any difference to me it was just sad. This is sad too. I totally disagree with him and I still love Dave Chappelle.

by Anonymousreply 260October 9, 2021 3:57 AM

[quote]This is what birthed racism. The U.S.A.

The US is guilty of many things, but you can't pin the birth of racism here. As long as there have been people, there was someone hating someone else because they were different. That's part human nature and part survival instincts.

by Anonymousreply 261October 9, 2021 4:41 AM

He would totally let a guy suck him off if he was high. He's thought too much about gay people not to have entertained the idea of having gay sex. The whole show is gayer than a Bianca Del Rio special. It's literally him talking about gay stuff for an hour straight.

In the special, he explains what a gay glory hole is and says that he wants to try one out--even saying that "a warm, wet mouth is a warm, wet mouth."

He does a funny bit on "'80s gay face." He obviously knows a lot about gay culture. The vast majority of straight males are completely ignorant about such things.

by Anonymousreply 262October 9, 2021 5:20 AM

R262 He's been in the entertainment business for 30 years where gays are well represented! Of course he knows a lot of gay people. So he would not have to be gay to know a lot about them.

He may have "dabbled" but i doubt it. I don't think for one second he has problems with gay or trans people.

He is a smart businessman.

by Anonymousreply 263October 9, 2021 5:34 AM

[quote] OK. I just saw the show and it was FANTASTIC from beginning to end. I highly encourage anyone who has not seen it to watch the whole thing before you criticize it.

Why would I want to watch something dangerous and transphobic, TERF? I value my time too much.

by Anonymousreply 264October 9, 2021 5:48 AM

"Do you think it's possible for a gay person to be racist? Of course it's possible. Look at Mike Pence."

by Anonymousreply 265October 9, 2021 5:51 AM

If your time is so valuable, R264, why are you sitting around making weak shit posts to the DL on a Friday night?

by Anonymousreply 266October 9, 2021 6:32 AM

I’m not just sitting around. I only post on DL while I’m dilating or doing something else. I always multitask.

by Anonymousreply 267October 9, 2021 6:40 AM

Touché.

by Anonymousreply 268October 9, 2021 6:56 AM

OK. Just finished it. Staggeringly good, dangerously funny, and incredibly empathetic. There are few straight people who could have pulled this off, but Chappelle did.

Fuck GLAAD.

by Anonymousreply 269October 9, 2021 7:17 AM

[quote] I would think Dave would find a near 60 year old man being worried about his looks on instagram like some teen ridiculous.

Anderson Cooper is only 54.

by Anonymousreply 270October 9, 2021 7:31 AM

Any member of the LGBTQ community who "gets" The Closer, I'd like to think is a member of my "tribe."

(that's an inside joke for you fuckers who haven't seen it)

by Anonymousreply 271October 9, 2021 7:42 AM

R264 IF you actually watched the show instead of taking someone else's account of it you would realize how foolish you sound.

I now see why so many swing voters reject Democrats. Some of you really are irrational snowflakes.

The Closer is excellent. Any LGBTQ person Butt hurt over this is someone who clearly hasn't watched it. If you watch to the end, you will find he is none of those awful things you accused him of. There are several very thought provoking and dare I say "positive" messages.

by Anonymousreply 272October 9, 2021 8:33 AM

R222, that woman even has her "prounouns" on her IG profile. People are simply peaking. No one really believes that transwomen are women, yet we're all being forced to pretend that we do. People need to be able to laugh and debate and disagree without being sent to purgatory for saying the "wrong" thing. The trans cult has not helped itself with its extreme dogma.

by Anonymousreply 273October 9, 2021 10:48 AM

So, what lies did he tell? Wake up and face the truth. Males can never be a female, drag queen yes, a real menstrauting female with the ability to birth a child no.

by Anonymousreply 274October 9, 2021 11:37 AM

To those members of The Perpetually Offended crowd, “Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right.”

by Anonymousreply 275October 9, 2021 12:11 PM

His whole special was a false equivalency from the get go. The horrible history of the slavery of black people and racism in this country is an entirely different topic from people fighting for their rights based on their sexual orientation and/or gender identity.

He kept comparing the LGBTQ+ movement to the Civil Rights Movement. Interracial marriage was legalized in 1967. Same sex marriage wasn't legalized until 2015. He made it sound like LGBTQ+ were somehow privileged.

by Anonymousreply 276October 9, 2021 1:10 PM

The Closer is near-masterful. His ending story about trans comedian who killed herself is so cathartic.

by Anonymousreply 277October 9, 2021 1:17 PM

America had a black president. Dave Chappelle shouldn't complain anymore about racism.

by Anonymousreply 278October 9, 2021 1:21 PM

Pity-starved black man. Nothing I haven't seen before.

by Anonymousreply 279October 9, 2021 1:23 PM

I really enjoyed the special. Laughed outloud quite a bit.

That being said - could a white gay comedian get away with speaking like that about black men? Not saying they should or that one would - just wondering if it were the reverse whether it would be acceptable. My guess is absolutely not.

So even though I liked the special, I’m wondering whether white people in any capacity (gays, trans, feminists) could get away with making a special that speaks at length about black straight men.

Thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 280October 9, 2021 1:26 PM

People defended Kinison and Murphy too. Kinison was talking about gays having sex with corpses and Murphy was using faggot all over town. People loved and defended them then. People love and applaud Chappelle now, people will love and defend the next “comedian” who attacks gays in 20 years. They never stop and they keep coming and coming and coming like gremlins.

by Anonymousreply 281October 9, 2021 1:48 PM

No, R280. Look at Michael Richards. His lynching jokes didn’t go over well. His “nigger” jokes. The blacks and whites in the audience had a fit and stormed out, as opposed to AIDS jokes and “faggot” which blacks and everyone love. I personally found Richards refreshing and hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 282October 9, 2021 2:08 PM

So he complains about the lack of outrage over black men being killed, but he's touring with Joe Rogan, who has a history of saying racist shit, including equating a black neighborhood to Planet of the Apes .

He then is pictured hanging out with his friend Kanye West at the afterparty, a staunch Trump supporter who said "Slavery was a choice".

His fans are morons at this point. They're being played to line his pockets.

by Anonymousreply 283October 9, 2021 2:16 PM

Black people haven’t oppressed white people for 400 years, so a white person making similar jokes about black people wouldn’t really work.

by Anonymousreply 284October 9, 2021 2:20 PM

And gays oppress blacks—how.

by Anonymousreply 285October 9, 2021 2:22 PM

My feeling abut Chappelle is he thinks gay people should use our political super powers to end racism but instead we complain about anti-gay jokes.

Thing is, black people don't want our help. Even gay black people seem put out when gay white people try to help.

What he also fails to accept is that too many black men are killing each other and that is not our fault. By sheer numbers there are more of them than us, (and there'd be even more of them if they stopped murdering each other,) but they still can't get their shit together. How the fuck are we suppose to help?

by Anonymousreply 286October 9, 2021 2:27 PM

The people who hate black people also hate gay people. How are we suppose to change that?

by Anonymousreply 287October 9, 2021 2:30 PM

[quote]Thing is, black people don't want our help.

Blacks don’t want anything to do with gays. That’s why Stonewall was a sea of white. AIDS activism was a sea of white. Gay rights was led by whites.

Blacks want nothing to do with gay people.

by Anonymousreply 288October 9, 2021 2:31 PM

[quote]My feeling abut Chappelle is he thinks gay people should use our political super powers to end racism but instead we complain about anti-gay jokes.

I disagree. Chapelle is fully aware that blacks want no part of anything homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 289October 9, 2021 2:34 PM

This thread is a nice reminder of why I don’t even want to identify with the LGBT community anymore and I ain’t just talking about the T. Not all of you - but Jesus, too many of you are exactly the kind of sensitive, pearl clutching pussies he’s talking about. Get OVER IT

by Anonymousreply 290October 9, 2021 2:39 PM

R282 Those were not jokes. That was an angry rant

by Anonymousreply 291October 9, 2021 2:43 PM

R290, it's just a T strategy to smear Chappelle and have him marked as a bad person.

by Anonymousreply 292October 9, 2021 2:48 PM

As opposed to Kinison and Murphy, R291? They were jokes.

by Anonymousreply 293October 9, 2021 2:48 PM

[quote]This thread is a nice reminder of why I don’t even want to identify with the LGBT community

Then hop off this gay forum, please. Bye!

by Anonymousreply 294October 9, 2021 2:49 PM

But he is R292.

by Anonymousreply 295October 9, 2021 2:49 PM

What’s the difference between this and Michael Richards?

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by Anonymousreply 296October 9, 2021 2:52 PM

Us LGBTQ+ can walk and chew gum at the same time. Imagine that.

I can have a conversation about civil rights with you. I can have a conversation about LGBTQ+ rights. I can have a conversation about womens rights, especially abortion rights.

Because I'm a gay white guy doesn't mean I'm inherently racist.

by Anonymousreply 297October 9, 2021 3:02 PM

R293 Yes, those were jokes, shitty jokes, but still part of their act they wrote down and rehearsed. What Kramer did wasn't supposed to be a part of his act. Some black people were talking loudly and interrupting his shitty act so he went on a racist rant about lynching blacks.

by Anonymousreply 298October 9, 2021 3:07 PM

So Kinison’s were jokes and not a rant.

by Anonymousreply 299October 9, 2021 3:09 PM

HOW DARE YOU R288! WE LED THE STONEWALL RIOTS!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 300October 9, 2021 3:10 PM

R299 They were shitty homophobic jokes that he wrote down and rehearsed thinking he was being funny. Yes. What part don't you understand?

by Anonymousreply 301October 9, 2021 3:11 PM

Got it. Kinison’s not a rant, because he wrote them down. Kramer is a rant because he didn’t write them down. Got it. Wonderful. Makes sense. Makes complete sense.

by Anonymousreply 302October 9, 2021 3:13 PM

I'm a gay man. An eldergay man. I had to look up "TERF" and all I can say is WTF. I'm having less and less sympathy for transwomen. I guess I'm just transphobic. Oh well.

by Anonymousreply 303October 9, 2021 3:18 PM

I don’t think his audience would be fine with a white gay comedian making any kind of jokes about straight black men. So it seems a tiny bit fucked up that he can joke about gays and lesbians however he wants and everyone just chalks it up to edginess and says he doesn’t really mean anything by it and racism is more important than homophobia, etc. When you create this hierarchy of who is most disenfranchised… it’s a little fucked?

But the special was funny. I laughed a lot. He’s great at what he does.

by Anonymousreply 304October 9, 2021 3:28 PM

I love it when people pan a comedian's humor and accuse him of things and then tack on "and it wasn't even FUNNY!!"

by Anonymousreply 305October 9, 2021 3:37 PM

[quote]Even gay black people seem put out when gay white people try to help.

I want everyone who is an ally in the fight. However, the problems always show up when white gay men try to equate their struggle with that of black people. It's different. It will always be different because you have to cloak of whiteness to insulate you from the worst parts of bigotry. You walk in the world as a white man. You're not an other until you tell someone, you're an other. And that even applies to more flamboyant among us.

As for Michael Richards, he got a raw deal. He was responding to hecklers who walked away unscathed. As I tell white friends all the time, don't say the word, don't even think the word - either "er" version or "a" version. You're just setting yourself up for trouble.

by Anonymousreply 306October 9, 2021 3:38 PM

Nigger gives you 10 points at the Olympics. Fag barely gives you what... 4?

by Anonymousreply 307October 9, 2021 3:41 PM

[quote]It will always be different because you have to cloak of whiteness to insulate you from the worst parts of bigotry. You walk in the world as a white man. You're not an other until you tell someone, you're an other. And that even applies to more flamboyant among us.

What a load of crap. Were you around in the 80's when gay men were dying en masse of AIDS? White gay men were treated no better in those hospitals than anyone other minority.

There's no such thing as blanket white gay privilege, and it's just as exhausting to hear that stupidity than it is for white gays to equate their struggles with blacks.

What privilege did Matthew Shephard have?

by Anonymousreply 308October 9, 2021 3:42 PM

You can call it a load of whatever. As I said white gay men are not "an other" until they say they're an other. AIDS patients were easily identified others. Matthew Shephard let it be known he was an other. Your average everyday day white gay man just waking down the street, is just a white man, unless of course he's wearing a t-shirt that says "kiss me, I'm gay". I'm sorry that you don't want to own that, but it's true.

by Anonymousreply 309October 9, 2021 4:02 PM

R309 many gay men don't look/act "straight" so your comparisons - which seem to be focused on "who's the biggest victim?" - are faulty.

Remember when it wasn't a badge of honor to be a victim? It's handy currently - gives you a good excuse why you aren't doing x or y that you think you should be doing, and there's any number of well-meaning but counterproductive people there to say "we see you!" and give you attention and support.

Seems like it'd be more constructive to not spend so much time trying to paint yourself as The One True Victim and instead do literally anything else.

by Anonymousreply 310October 9, 2021 4:10 PM

What's funny is, I did not even know Dave had a new special, but because of this "controversy" I prioritized watching "The Closer" over other things I was planning to watch. Incidentally I enjoyed it.

But the point is, the only one winning in this "controversy" is Dave Chappelle! This is making more people watch him.

This "controversy" is backfiring on the trans community though. They're getting attention but not in the way they expected.

Homophobes are happy to lump the entire LGBTQ Community together as being stupid and petty when a few trans folks have a huge irrational response like this to a comedian who is just telling some jokes.

by Anonymousreply 311October 9, 2021 4:31 PM

[quote] As I said white gay men are not "an other" until they say they're an other.

And that's crap.

I was bullied for being "gay" years before I came out.

Plenty of white people are bullied for being different before they even know just how they're different.

Your ignorance is showing. Assuming that you're just not trolling of course.

by Anonymousreply 312October 9, 2021 4:35 PM

R311 trans trying to control the narrative for gay people worries the shit out of me

by Anonymousreply 313October 9, 2021 4:38 PM

I'm not in Chappelle, but I am also not into safe comedy or cancel culture. I saw him at the Hollywood Bowl the other night where he debuted a documentary, did a light performance, and brought other performers out like Snoop (the greatest guy), Lizzo, Stevie Wonder, Jon Hamm (he is every bit as hot in person), DJ Jazzy Jeff, Tiffany Hadid, and some comedians.

I was ready to dislike the show, but free tickets from a friend were enough to check it out. It was actually a really nice out and I liked the message at the end of the show. I have this feeling that the lady doth protest too much with Chappelle. I always (unfairly) question the sexuality of black men with Asian wives and there is something just a little bit gay about good old Dave. I could see him being a tranny chaser. We often dislike or discredit what is staring at our reflection in the mirror.

by Anonymousreply 314October 9, 2021 4:44 PM

Imagine trying to iexplain this to someone from 2000. It's all like a mass delusion.

by Anonymousreply 315October 9, 2021 4:53 PM

[quote]It's different.

It is different R306 but that does not negate our struggle. Does the fact that for a long time light skin black people were able to pass negate their struggle as black Americans?

You can go to any nation where black people are the majority and you will be immediately accepted without racism by them. However there aren't that many places gay people can go and be accepted for being gay.

by Anonymousreply 316October 9, 2021 5:05 PM

R288, That's great. So can they now stop obsessing over gay people and everything little thing we do and stfu already?

by Anonymousreply 317October 9, 2021 5:08 PM

R316, where did I say it negates our struggle? I said, it's different because it is different.

by Anonymousreply 318October 9, 2021 5:11 PM

R259 If you’re LGB, you should probably be more than a little concerned about what the T is doing to undermine the movement for gay rights and acceptance.

by Anonymousreply 319October 9, 2021 5:15 PM

R318 bigotry is bigotry whether racial or anti-gay. There shouldn't be a hierarchy of bigotry but too many black Americans have created one.

by Anonymousreply 320October 9, 2021 5:17 PM

Who said anything about a hierarchy? Just because something is different doesn't put it on a higher platform. Your problem is assuming and jumping to conclusions that no one made.

by Anonymousreply 321October 9, 2021 5:20 PM

[quote] This "controversy" is backfiring on the trans community though. They're getting attention but not in the way they expected.

R311 That’s usually the case when anyone takes a closer look at the trans community. Although they’re loath to admit it, a great many of their current critics started out as allies.

Truth is, the trans lobby can’t bear much objective scrutiny. It’s why they’re so desperate to stifle any meaningful discussion of their methods and goals.

by Anonymousreply 322October 9, 2021 5:34 PM

Then how is gay rights “different”? Does it have something to do with “you can’t see gay”? Or “choosing to be gay”? Or that gay identity is based on only sex?

by Anonymousreply 323October 9, 2021 5:36 PM

But really what "political super powers" do gay people really have, R286? I mean we still needed a lot of help from straight people and allies to get where we are. It took a great effort and the fact there are places where you can still face discrimination for employment and housing means everything isn't exactly all sunshine and rainbows for gay people.

It seems that the hatred blacks have towards white gays, specifically white gay men, is that they think they should be beneath them on the totem pole. Displaced envy and jealousy. They would rather wallow in their racial misery than have " those white queers" help them. So why waste any of your time and energy trying to help them? It could be better spent elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 324October 9, 2021 5:38 PM

R321 you wrote:

[quote]It will always be different because you have to cloak of whiteness to insulate you from the worst parts of bigotry.

You're implied that the pursuit of gay equality is less important simply because you think gay white people can pass.

by Anonymousreply 325October 9, 2021 5:40 PM

[quote]But really what "political super powers" do gay people really have

I was being facetious R324. Chappelle seems to think we waved our magic wands and suddenly became acceptable to society.

by Anonymousreply 326October 9, 2021 5:41 PM

But we’re not.

by Anonymousreply 327October 9, 2021 5:52 PM

Gay people can pass what. A stone?

by Anonymousreply 328October 9, 2021 5:53 PM

Pass muster, Rose!

by Anonymousreply 329October 9, 2021 5:55 PM

[quote]You're implied that the pursuit of gay equality is less important simply because you think gay white people can pass.

I never said that, nor implied that. I said that walking around with white skin gives you a cloak of protection from the worst parts of bigotry. You added a bunch of nonsense, that I did not say to that original statement. No one is making this some kind of victim sweepstakes, except you.

by Anonymousreply 330October 9, 2021 6:06 PM

My white skin protects me from gay bashing? Murder?

by Anonymousreply 331October 9, 2021 6:11 PM

[quote]I said that walking around with white skin gives you a cloak of protection from the worst parts of bigotry.

Walking around a majority white country with white skin gives you a cloak of protection from race-based bigotry (i.e. racism), yes. Not all bigotry is race-based. The latter does not make the former any more acceptable or less painful for those on the receiving end, but you do seem to be making some slippery implications here with your assumption that the "worst" (and that's a quote) parts of bigotry are necessarily race-based. Am I wrong?

(I am not the person you've been talking to, R330)

by Anonymousreply 332October 9, 2021 6:13 PM

r323, gay rights are like all other civil rights: They are the rights that White Male Hetero Evangelicals do not want to share with minorities.

THAT'S how all civil rights are the same with the same unified social enemy.

by Anonymousreply 333October 9, 2021 6:17 PM

What about this gay guy’s white skin? How is he protected? Cops walked past—they did nothing.

Is this just “different”?

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by Anonymousreply 334October 9, 2021 6:19 PM

White hate has indoctrinated the Black Church.

by Anonymousreply 335October 9, 2021 6:24 PM

I am getting the vibe that even black people are starting to get exhausted by all this. Constant outrage is tiring.

by Anonymousreply 336October 9, 2021 6:35 PM

One of the problems is that a lot of progressive activists are a bunch of hypocrites. I hear a lot of these activist types using slurs and calling people names based on their religion, sex, political beliefs, geographic residents, and other traits. There is a overall repulsion and condescending towards main stream America.Yeah, we are supposed to bow to their sensitivities and values. Moreover, a lot of progressiveActivism lacks a moral allowance for grace and redemption.

by Anonymousreply 337October 9, 2021 6:39 PM

While I think progressive activists are more than likely on the right side of history on some issues, they are annoying and lack life experience and the social skills needed to make the change they want.

by Anonymousreply 338October 9, 2021 6:56 PM

They are also often hypocrites and want to suppress and bully people who disagree

by Anonymousreply 339October 9, 2021 7:08 PM

The trans person is being roasted on Twitter calling her privileged. So I guess Chappelle was wrong about trans. If they are white they'll still be attacked.

by Anonymousreply 340October 9, 2021 7:12 PM

R321 Unfortunately, at least some people are determined to claw their way to the top of the "most oppressed ever” heap, the trans rights brigade chief among them. Their rallying cry is, “The challenges YOU face are unimportant. Center ME and my struggles!”

There are even quizzes online to help you to determine your own degree of power and privilege...

The wokerati expect all of us to conduct ourselves according to their official rules for fortunate vs disadvantaged, black vs white, gay vs straight. It’s become a legitimate field of academic study for some and a way of life for far too many others.

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by Anonymousreply 341October 9, 2021 7:14 PM

R341 I got 46%. I'm gay, Jewish, and worked in fields that are typically populated by women. My results.

[quote] You're not privileged at all. You grew up with an intersectional, complicated identity, and life never let you forget it. You've had your fair share of struggles, and you've worked hard to overcome them. We do not live in an ideal world and you had to learn that the hard way. It is not your responsibility to educate those with more advantages than you, but if you decide you want to, go ahead and send them this quiz. Hopefully it will help.

by Anonymousreply 342October 9, 2021 7:23 PM

I took the test and I'm underprivileged even though I'm white. My parents were substance abusers so a good part pf my childhood was a nightmare. This white privilege is bullshit, it's more like class privilege.

by Anonymousreply 343October 9, 2021 7:25 PM

I got 31, you're not privileged at all. I'm gay and black.

by Anonymousreply 344October 9, 2021 7:25 PM

True privilige is where you can smile, nod, be ultra pleasant to people and then retreat to your all wealthy, gated enclave after picking your kids up from the elite private school that teaches a traditional, rigorous college prep curriculum.

Even Dave did his navel gazing, vanity covid/BLM documentary, which is fine. If it helped his local small town out, that's not nothing. At the end of the day though, whenever he was challenged for violating codes, etc, his response was always, "I am rich and can do whatever I want". The color green, is the only color that matters in the grand scheme of things.

by Anonymousreply 345October 9, 2021 7:34 PM

I’m black but got 51

by Anonymousreply 346October 9, 2021 7:38 PM

I got an 11. White, gay, man, with a salary. That’s all I am.

by Anonymousreply 347October 9, 2021 7:38 PM

[quote]after picking your kids

Who’s picking up the kids?

by Anonymousreply 348October 9, 2021 7:42 PM

What Dave Chappelle thought of Michael Richards 11 years ago. Funny how his opinion has changed.

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by Anonymousreply 349October 9, 2021 8:04 PM

We need more Michael Richards. Keep it balanced.

by Anonymousreply 350October 9, 2021 8:08 PM

When will "comedians" stop acting immune from any and all criticism of their work? They act all sanctimonious whenever they get called out for their shit.

by Anonymousreply 351October 9, 2021 8:17 PM

[quote]When will "comedians" stop acting immune from any and all criticism of their work?

There is a difference between criticism and actively trying to destroy someone's career who is just telling jokes or making funny observations about life by taking a few lines out of context.

by Anonymousreply 352October 9, 2021 8:23 PM

I don't think Dave Chappelle has to worry about losing his career and he knows that. He makes millions but acts like he'll be out of work tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 353October 9, 2021 8:44 PM

Blacks are never cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 354October 9, 2021 8:45 PM

Whatva funny homophobic ass.

by Anonymousreply 355October 9, 2021 9:04 PM

Question: "What is this "cis" term?" Answer: "It's a way of marginalizing a normal person."

by Anonymousreply 356October 9, 2021 9:07 PM

For those who haven't seen the show: Chappelle discusses walking away from Hollywood (turning down $50M) and moving to a small town in Ohio.

After a show one night he meets a white transwoman and aspiring comic who wants to talk about his trans jokes. They don't agree on everything, but they become friends.

When he is set to play a show in San Francisco, where the transwoman lives, he calls her and asks her to open for him. She does -- and flops -- but still says it was the best day of her life.

Not long after, she kills herself, leaving behind a small child. Chappelle stays in touch with the family and establishes a trust fund for the kid. He says he misses his friend very much.

The message: people are imperfect, but trying to understand one another is vital. And he admits he doesn't completely understand trans or LGB.

It's all wrapped in a very funny monologue. ("Can gay people be racist? Sure; look at Mike Pence.")

by Anonymousreply 357October 9, 2021 9:10 PM

Dave needs to sit down with Demi Lovato and explain his position, but he would be too scared to do it. He also needs to apologize to Demi.

by Anonymousreply 358October 9, 2021 9:10 PM

Why is no one talking about the story of him letting a pastor suck him off when he was younger and how he loved cumming in his face?

by Anonymousreply 359October 9, 2021 9:13 PM

Whether right or wrong, that part of the special wasn't funny. His last three specials have been meh, with a few high points. Not anywhere near Chappelle's Show funny, though to be fair, sketch comedy is different than standup.

by Anonymousreply 360October 9, 2021 9:15 PM

People will continue to call him out, but he won't be canceled.

If he were, he'd never be doing his latest Netflix special in the first place after the last debacle.

by Anonymousreply 361October 9, 2021 9:16 PM

Yes, R357. It’s been established he’s sympathetic towards trans but he is NOT towards gay men, especially white gay men and lesbians. I believe he beat up a white lesbian?

So, when someone like Ross the Intern opens for him, then we’ll talk about him being a friend to the gay male community.

by Anonymousreply 362October 9, 2021 9:19 PM

Dave Chapelle is not reaching out to Scott Thompson who’s an established openly gay comedian with incredible insight.

by Anonymousreply 363October 9, 2021 9:21 PM

For the people commenting without watching, here is what he said (in two parts):

[quote]“God damn, DaBaby.” He pushed the button, didn’t he? He pushed the button. Punched the LBGTQ community, right in the AIDS.

[quote]Can’t do that. Can’t do that. But I do believe and I’ll make this point later that the kid made a very egregious mistake. I will acknowledge that. But, you know a lot of the LBGTQ community doesn’t know DaBaby’s history, he’s a wild guy. He once shot a n*gga… and killed him, in Walmart. Oh, this is true, Google it. DaBaby shot and killed a n*gga in Walmart in North Carolina. Nothing bad happened to his career.

[quote]Do you see where I am going with this? In our country, you can shoot and kill a n*gga but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings. [laughter] And this is precisely the disparity I wish to discuss. I have a question for the audience and this is a real question, I am not joking around. Is it possible, that a gay person can be racist?

[quote][audience] Yes! Yeah!

[quote]Do you really think so?

[quote][audience] Yeah! Of course it is possible. Look at Mike Pence.

[quote]I am guessing, but I bet you, he is gay.

[quote]Yeah.

[quote]And he is not pride parade gay either, he is sad gay. I feel bad for him. He looks like one of them gays that prays about it. Jesus, please take these dirty feelings out of my heart. [laughter] Please Jesus, make these buttholes ugly to me. I don’t want to keep on tasting these dicks. [laughter] Funny. You guys are confusing your emotions. You think I hate gay people and what you’re really seeing is that I’m jealous of gay people. I’m jealous, I’m not the only Black person, that feels this way. We Blacks, we look at the gay community and we go “God damn it! Look how well that movement is going.”

[quote]“Look how well you are doing.”

by Anonymousreply 364October 9, 2021 9:39 PM

[quote]And we’ve been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years. How the fuck are you making that kind of progress? I can’t help but feel like if slaves had baby oil and booty shorts… [laughter] …we might have been free a hundred years sooner. You know what I mean? If Martin Luther King was like, “I want everybody to get up on them floats. Get your bodies good and shiny.” I don’t hate gay people at all, I respect the shit out of you. Well, not all of you. I am not that fond of these newer gays. Too sensitive, too brittle. Those aren’t the gays that I grew up with, I missed them old school gays, n*gga. Them Stonewall n*ggas, them the ones that I respect.

[quote]They didn’t take shit from anybody, they fought for their freedom. I respect that shit, I’m not even gay and I want to be like a Stonewall n*gga. Them old school, gangster gays. Them glory hole n*ggas, them the ones I like.

[quote]These new gays don’t even know what the glory hole is. It’s a hole in the wall, that gay contractors build. [audience laughs] You want to know why they put that hole in the wall? I’ll tell you, there is no nice way to say it. ‘Cause when they want to have some fun they will put their penises in that hole and hope for the best. I respect that shit. It’s a lot of courage on both sides of that hole n*gga. [laughter] I’m not even gay and I want to try that glory hole out.

[quote]What if Martin Luther King had to integrate the glory hole? “I don’t care if it is Black lips back there or White lips back there a mouth is a mouth. A warm wet mouth.” I’m going all the way. I got into a fight. I almost got into a fight, it is complicated. I was in a bar in Austin, with my wife and it was during Covid, and a woman came to our table and she was maskless, and this bitch came over, no mask, all “H” words. “Hi, how are you?”

[quote]Droplets was coming out of this bitch’s face. We all covered our drinks. Ew! Baby, what are you doing? Now I looked over the table that she came from, and I peeped game. The men at the table were filming me. This happens when you’re famous. People will come over and try to rattle your cage and get you to say something stupid or dumb so that their buddies can film it and get a video of you embarrassing yourself. And clearly I said, “This is what is happening.” And these dumb motherfuckers thought, it was my first rodeo.

[quote]Sadly it worked.

[quote]I ran right over there, I said… I pointed right in the camera I said, “You is a bitch-ass n*gga for doing this to me.”

[quote]And the dude was shocked that I said it. He said “Huh?” And when he did like this, I’ve seen all his fingernails is painted and I realized like, “Oh-oh.” [laughter] “This fellow is gay.” Yeah, you know how I talk. I call everybody a bitch-ass n*gga. You know what I mean? But that is not a right thing to do if they’re gay. You know what I mean? And now I was in trouble and not only that, the motherfucker was huge. He stood up, he was towering over me. He must have been 6′ 5″, a big White corn-fed Texas homosexual, this n*gga was ready to fight. And he started barking on me, but I stood my ground, I wasn’t scared. How could I be scared? This motherfucker’s shirt was tied up in a knot like this. Oh, fuck this guy. Let’s go, n*gga, let’s go. I thought we were going to come to blows. I was ready and then right when you think we would fight, guess what he did? He picked up his phone and he called the police. And this, this thing I am describing is a major issue that I have with that community. Gay people are minorities, until they need to be White again.

[quote]I’m being very brutally honest, so we can solve this problem. I’m telling you right now a Black gay person would have never done that to me. ‘Cause a Black gay person knows, when the police shows up they’re not going to care who called ’em. They don’t show up like, “Which one of you n*ggers is Clifford?” [laughter] We’re all Clifford.

by Anonymousreply 365October 9, 2021 9:39 PM

[quote]Gay people are minorities, until they need to be White again.

And that is when he should have dropped the mic. Nothing else needed to be said.

by Anonymousreply 366October 9, 2021 9:46 PM

^Tell that to Matthew Shepard who was black and blue.

by Anonymousreply 367October 9, 2021 9:49 PM

I think he’s a brilliant comedian, but Chapelle clearly regards gay and trans issues as “white people nonsense” and resents that they take up cultural bandwidth. Forget Scott Thompson or Ross the Intern, would he ever take a Black gay or trans comedian under his wing and let them open for him? I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 368October 9, 2021 9:55 PM

Yes he did. Read R357.

by Anonymousreply 369October 9, 2021 9:57 PM

R366 That is exactly the message White LGBTQ people are furious about. They know they have not been the allies they demand of Black people when it comes to civil rights. But you can't call out White LGBTQ when they fall short or the far left wing of the Democratic party will try to cancel you.

I don't know why LGBTQ Black folks are yapping about this. Band wagon jumpers??? Most of the Black people I've seen upset about this on social media haven't even seen The Closer.

by Anonymousreply 370October 9, 2021 10:04 PM

[quote]I think he’s a brilliant comedian, but Chapelle clearly regards gay and trans issues as “white people nonsense” and resents that they take up cultural bandwidth. Forget Scott Thompson or Ross the Intern, would he ever take a Black gay or trans comedian under his wing and let them open for him? I doubt it.

R368, he closed the show talking about a trans comedian who opened for him in San Francisco. DL has word count limits so I’ll have to break it up into 3 comments:

[quote]Before I go, I want to share this story with you because it is important to this point. I want your community to know that one of the coolest people I ever met was a transgender woman. And this is not a man that I knew that became a woman, this woman was trans when I met her. Lived in San Francisco, Daphne Dwarman is the name. I would do 18 shows in the Bay Area sometimes in Oakland and Dirty Hood night club and she would be there, white trans woman, laughing loud and hard, at everything I said. Especially the trans jokes, very puzzling… because she was obviously trans. And one night after one of the shows I met her. And what it was, turns out it was her dream to be a comedian. And I was her hero. It was very moving. I could not dislike somebody that felt that way about me. We became fast friends. And when I made that special Sticks and Stones right as it was coming out, I happened to be in San Francisco and I wanted to do a show. But I needed an opening act, and I remembered… that trans woman I had met, so I called her on the phone. And I called her myself, I said, “Hey Daphne, this is Dave Chappelle.” She couldn’t believe it. And I go, “I’m in San Francisco.” And then she started saying a bunch of wild stuff, I was like “Relax now, I don’t want any pussy, I was… [laughter] I’m just calling, because I’m doing a show and I need an opening act. And I was wondering if you’d open the show?” And she was like, “Fuck, yeah.” Now… I didn’t know this at the time but this woman had only done stand up comedy eight times in her life. This was little to no experience and now she’s about to open a show for what many call the GOAT.

[quote]She’s an amateur in stature, but in practice, she was very professional. She showed up early, which is something I appreciate ’cause I like people to be on time. She was dressed to the motherfuckin’ nines, I mean, I’m transphobic and even I was like, “You look nice.”

[quote]Went up on the stage with all the swag of a professional comedian, grabbed that mic and walked right down the middle and looked at the crowd like a gangster. Man, you should have seen her work. This bitch bombed for 45 minutes, straight.

[quote]And I’m not exaggerating, young man. That show was terrible. Stunk. Stunk. And then she brings me on, and you know, I was like a glass of water after a handful of salt. The crowd was happy to see me. I was killing it. But here is what impressed me. Any other comedian I’ve ever seen, if they had bombed as bad as she did, would have snuck out of the back of the theatre and went home and cried or something, but she didn’t do that. Not only did she not leave, she found a seat, right up in front. You know, when a new comedian watches an experienced comedian in comedy we call this “taking class.” And this bitch took my whole class, she sat up there and was laughing as hard as she always laughs as if nothing bad had even happened to her. And I saw her show. Something bad happened to her.

by Anonymousreply 371October 9, 2021 10:13 PM

[quote]She was drunk. So she starts talking to me, while I’m onstage but the way a person would talk to a television when they were alone. She was talking to me like that. That didn’t bother me ’cause I knew her. But the crowd didn’t like that shit at all ’cause she sucked. And a guy in the back of the room stood up and Daphne’s hair was dyed blonde at the time and the guy screamed out, and his energy felt wild as fuck. He said, “Hey Daphne!” and everybody got clamped, they got tense. We didn’t know who was a heckler or active shooter, and… [laughter] …he said, “Does the carpet match the drapes?” It was fucked up. The whole crowd kind of groaned, ’cause it was so like, mean. Everybody groaned, except for Daphne. She kind of laughed, which was weird. And she didn’t even look all the way back. She said, “Sir, I don’t have carpets I have hardwood floors.” Just like that. [laughter] Just like that. [applause]

[quote]Boy, when she said that shit, it blew the roof off the place. Cut through all the tension, with that one joke. She had made up for 45 minutes of a stinker of a show. And after that, she could do no wrong. And I kept on rocking, and she kept on talking to me. And then the show became something cooler than a show. It became like a conversation between a Black man and a White trans woman and we started getting to the bottom of shit. All of them questions that you think about that you’d be afraid to ask, I was just asking them and she was answering them and her answers were funny as shit. The crowd was falling out of their chairs and at the end of the show, I go, “Well, Daphne”… I said “Well, that was fun.” I go, “I love you to death, but I have no fuckin’ idea what you’re talking about.” The whole crow laughed except for Daphne. Man, she looks at me like I’m not her friend anymore. Like I’m something bigger than me, like I’m the whole world in a guy. Then she said, “I don’t need you to understand me.” I said, “What?” She said, “I just need you to believe…” Just like that she goes, “…that I’m having a human experience.” And when she said it the whole crowd kind of gasped. And I gave the Fight Club look. I said, “I believe you, bitch.”

[quote]Because she didn’t say anything about pronouns. She didn’t say anything about me being in trouble. She said, “Just believe I’m a person and I’m going through it.” I know I believe you, because it takes one to know one.

[quote]Then I told the crowd “Good night.” And they started going crazy and before the applause gets to it’s crescendo I was saying, “Don’t forget my opening act, Daphne.” And the crowd stood up. And I looked at her, tears came out of her eyes she couldn’t believe it was happening. I couldn’t believe it was happening ’cause her show stunk. [laughter] And it was a great night. And I remember, the late great Paul Mooney was there bunch of flyers, comedy n*ggas was there.

[quote]And we all went backstage and was just drinking and talking shit and laughing and Daphne stole the room, she had everyone cracking up. Spinning the yarn, telling us all these crazy stories about shit, she’d be into. We all laughing real hard, and there she is telling us and everyone is laughing. I’m looking around, I’m like, “Oh my God, she is funny.” I pulled her aside, I said, “You’re hilarious. I didn’t know that when you were onstage.” [laughter] I said, “You’re doing some things wrong but I can help you.” I said, “Anytime I’m in San Francisco why don’t you open the show for me and I’ll just try to give you some pointers and see if you can work this thing out.” She said, “Are you serious?” I was like, “Yeah.” And she grabbed me real tight, hugged me, squeezed me. And I pushed her off violently, ’cause I’m transphobic. I said “Boundaries, bitch!”

by Anonymousreply 372October 9, 2021 10:14 PM

[quote]When Sticks and Stones came out… a lot of people in the trans community were furious with me and apparently they dragged me on Twitter. I don’t give a fuck, ’cause Twitter is not a real place.

[quote]And the hardest thing for a person to do is go against their tribe if they disagree with their tribe, but Daphne did that for me. She wrote a tweet that was very beautiful and what she said was and it is almost exactly what she said. She said, “Punching down on someone, requires you to think less of them and I know him, and he doesn’t. He doesn’t punch up, he doesn’t punch down he punches lines, and he is a master at his craft.” That’s what she said.

[quote]Beautiful tweet, beautiful friend, it took a lot of heart to defend me like that, and when she did that the trans community dragged that bitch all over Twitter. For days, they was going in on her, and she was holding her own ’cause she’s funny. But six days after that wonderful night I described to you my friend Daphne killed herself. Oh yeah, this is a true story, my heart was broken. Yeah, it wasn’t the jokes. I don’t know if was them dragging or I don’t know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn’t help. I was very angry at them, I was very angry at her. I felt like Daphne lied to me. She always said, she identified as a woman. And then one day she goes up to the roof of her building and jumps off and kills herself. Clearly… only a man would do some gangster shit like that. Hear me out. As hard as it is to hear a joke like that I’m telling you right now, Daphne would have loved that joke. That is why she was my friend.

[quote]I was reading her obituary and I found out, she was survived by a daughter. And the moment I found that out, and this is true Anderson Cooper from CNN texted me. And all he says, it’s very nice, he said, “I’m sorry to hear about your friend.” And I texted him right back. “New phone, who this?” [laughter] He said, “It’s Anderson Cooper.” Oh, I said, “Anderson, look I need to find her family.” And he texted me right back with all the phone numbers and all this information. I say this to say, if you ever want to know about anything gay call Anderson Cooper from CNN. This n*gga is faster than Google. [laughter] What I did is, I got in touch with her family and I started a trust fund for her daughter ’cause I know that is all she ever really cared about. [applause]

[quote]And I don’t know what the trans community did for her but I don’t care, because I feel like she wasn’t their tribe, she was mine. She was a comedian in her soul.

[quote]The daughter is very young, but I hope to be alive when she turns 21 ’cause I’m going to give her this money myself. And by then, by then, I’ll be ready to have the conversation that I’m not ready to have today. But I’ll tell that little girl, “Young lady, I knew your father… [audience laughs] …and he was a wonderful woman.”

[quote]Empathy is not gay. Empathy is not Black. Empathy is bi-sexual. It must go both ways. It must go both ways.

by Anonymousreply 373October 9, 2021 10:14 PM

It's the same argument that people have been having about white women forever. They are minorities until they don't want to be minorities. Black people get pinned with affirmative action, when it was white women who benefited the most for that. Set aside programs for minority businesses, again white women are the major beneficiaries. The same thing for all those white woke activists that are cancelling people right and left because of BLM or Trans or whatever and then withholding from Democrats who can actually win to vote for a bunch far left loons who can't even win dogcatcher.

by Anonymousreply 374October 9, 2021 10:15 PM

R369, I did. His dead trans friend was white. My point is Chapelle (like a lot of non-gay Black people) are way more comfortable engaging with the cultural ramifications of homosexuality and trans issues as an “over there” thing that white people do.

by Anonymousreply 375October 9, 2021 10:16 PM

[quote]In our country, you can shoot and kill a n*gga but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings. [laughter] And this is precisely the disparity I wish to discuss.

Why wasn't the black community pissed off at him for killing another black man?

by Anonymousreply 376October 9, 2021 10:19 PM

The joke went over your head, didn't it, R376?

by Anonymousreply 377October 9, 2021 10:21 PM

[quote]Gay people are minorities, until they need to be White again.

And black people are strong and proud black people, until they need to be victims.

by Anonymousreply 378October 9, 2021 10:25 PM

R378, You said:

[Quote]And black people are strong and proud black people, until they need to be victims.

Strong and Proud Black People would never have to be victims if cowards like you weren't racist.

by Anonymousreply 379October 9, 2021 10:28 PM

Like it’s right there when he says “Empathy is not gay. Empathy is not Black. Empathy is bisexual.” Gay is not the opposite of Black, I mean, the most famous gay man in the world right now is Lil Nas X , but Chapelle codes gay as being something that isn’t Black.

by Anonymousreply 380October 9, 2021 10:28 PM

[quote]They know they have not been the allies they demand of Black people when it comes to civil rights. But you can't call out White LGBTQ when they fall short or the far left wing of the Democratic party will try to cancel you.

There was a black fucking president of the United States of America. And he got there in part because of the people you're complaining about. What there fuck else are we suppose to do fro you? Get your shit together and stop bitching at us.

by Anonymousreply 381October 9, 2021 10:29 PM

[quote]Strong and Proud Black People would never have to be victims if cowards like you weren't racist.

Chappelle says he likes old school gangster gays. Well I like old school blacks like Martin Luther King. Don't see too many of those black men in public anymore.

by Anonymousreply 382October 9, 2021 10:31 PM

R381 And your mother fucking asses are also the same ones that brought us Trump because you couldn't hold your fucking noses to vote for Hillary - a fucking lesbian!

Y'all also are quick to pick up the phone and report Black people for Breathing while Black. Why can't LGBTQ be the allies they expect of Black people? Y'all got some mother fucking work to do!

by Anonymousreply 383October 9, 2021 10:32 PM

I’ve heard “gay is a white thing” from gay blacks for more than 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 384October 9, 2021 10:33 PM

R382, I don't see the point of your post - other than you clearly stating you don't like Black people... WTF?

by Anonymousreply 385October 9, 2021 10:34 PM

Chapelle doesn’t like old school gays. You think a comedian like him would be tolerant of gays with Kinison and Clay hanging around? Hell no.

by Anonymousreply 386October 9, 2021 10:34 PM

Chappelle is all over the place with his thoughts. I can’t follow him even reading the routine that the poster posted above. One thing I’ll give Sam Kinison was that he was able to tell a coherent story.

by Anonymousreply 387October 9, 2021 10:39 PM

R387 I recommend you watch The Closer and not rely on postings or angry rants. Make up your own mind. Dave is an excellent storyteller and he makes a lot of sense. Most of what is in this thread is worthless gibberish and does not properly convey his presentation.

by Anonymousreply 388October 9, 2021 10:42 PM

Could some of you queens SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! You’re taking away from the REAL STAR of this thread…….ME!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 389October 9, 2021 10:43 PM

[quote]And your mother fucking asses are also the same ones that brought us Trump because you couldn't hold your fucking noses to vote for Hillary - a fucking lesbian!

Chappelle also liked Trump. Blame him not me.

[quote]Y'all also are quick to pick up the phone and report Black people for Breathing while Black.

When did I do that? or are you generalizing about all white people?

[quote]Why can't LGBTQ be the allies they expect of Black people?

Why do black people act like equality is a zero sum game and get pissed if they feel we've achieved too much?

[quote]Y'all got some mother fucking work to do!

Black Americans have had 400 years to get their shit together. There's nothing i can do to help you.

[quote]I don't see the point of your post - other than you clearly stating you don't like Black people... WTF?

I don't like the black people we see today. Eveyone wants to act hard and gansta. No one likes to see that shit in anyone. Dress decently, speak coherently and clearly and for the love of God stop killing each other.

by Anonymousreply 390October 9, 2021 10:43 PM

Ugh, can the fucking "y'all" poster go back to Twitter already?

by Anonymousreply 391October 9, 2021 11:53 PM

I’m not understanding all of the celebrity friends at the Hollywood bowl. I can’t be canceled because I have celebrity friends. Jon Hamm doing karaoke( it’s been awhile since Mad Men). Would love it if he would do material about hollywood hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 392October 10, 2021 12:08 AM

I just watched the special.

It was awkwardly self-congratulatory.

His theme is that gay people are black people's biggest problem? That's just stupid. His biggest problem is straight white people.

by Anonymousreply 393October 10, 2021 1:14 AM

[quote][R382], I don't see the point of your post - other than you clearly stating you don't like Black people... WTF? [/quote]

You sound really dumb.

by Anonymousreply 394October 10, 2021 1:18 AM

[quote]But you can't call out White LGBTQ...

Except when you can do it at a sold out venue full of celebs and have everyone that matters applaud you for your bravery, right? There's whole posts, above, of Chappelle "calling out" White LGBTQ in this most recent show.

There is so much subtext here, so much going on below the surface. Is there a point at which he would start to feel uncomfortable with how many alt-right-y white guys love this stuff? Because Chappelle is somehow allowed, at this particular place and time, to say the things that they aren't (or aren't publicly allowed, on pain of cancellation, to say)? At a certain level of success and wealth, something like blackness or gayness can become the opposite of a lack of privilege, like a shield or something. Ariana Grande's in the crowd applauding this "I don't like the new, brittle gays, who aren't good allies anyway" - would she be applauding if Dave Chappelle was white? Would any of the gays falling all over themselves here to reassure everyone just how very cool they are with this be cool with it from a woman? White guy? Muslim guy?

by Anonymousreply 395October 10, 2021 1:28 AM

[quote]Black Americans have had 400 years to get their shit together. There's nothing i can do to help you.

Reason #1476 why real history needs to be taught in schools, instead of the white-washed version.

[quote]Well I like old school blacks like Martin Luther King.

No you didn't, stop lying. He was called a rabble rouser and a trouble maker and then you killed him. I love how some of you are taking off your hoods just long enough to say how much you liked MLK versus these uppity blacks today. Bitch, please.

Some of you really expose yourselves in threads like these and then you try and blame Boris and trolls. There's no Boris, some of you are just straight up deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 396October 10, 2021 1:31 AM

R371/R372/R373 (thanks for posting all that, btw)

So does this story hit different in the actual show? Or is it, as it appears to be in print, a classic - and self-congratulatory (hat tip R393) - "but I can't be racist I have a black friend!" tale?

For real, that's it? *That's* the story that proves Dave Chappelle is a great guy/not a bigot? Because I am genuinely not seeing how the hero/protagonist of that story isn't...Dave Chappelle. I'm genuinely surprised by how not-subtle it is, actually. And of course he had to tell us about the trust fund for the kid. That's pretty shameless.

by Anonymousreply 397October 10, 2021 1:39 AM

The same people defending Dave Chapelle would be the same people defending Sam Kinison back in the 80s. Probably are and probably did.

by Anonymousreply 398October 10, 2021 1:41 AM

Or Eddie Murphy.

by Anonymousreply 399October 10, 2021 1:42 AM

Who's the most famous black guy into trannies?

by Anonymousreply 400October 10, 2021 2:14 AM

Eddie.

by Anonymousreply 401October 10, 2021 2:21 AM

Reply363, Kids in the Hall are the best.

by Anonymousreply 402October 10, 2021 2:22 AM

R390 You said:

[Quote]Chappelle also liked Trump. Blame him not me.

Nah, I blame YOU for Trump because I know your ignorant racist ass voted for him as did all your little White devil friends. White people gave America Trump. Even foreigners no that. So just stop lying.

You said:

[Quote]When did I do that? or are you generalizing about all white people?

Nah, I am talking about YOU and White people like YOU! The way you whine, I am pretty sure YOU specifically have irrationally and unnecessarily called the Po Po on Black people when it suited your needs. Hypocritical far left waste of skin like yourself is afraid of your own shadow.

You Said:

[Quote]Why do black people act like equality is a zero sum game and get pissed if they feel we've achieved too much?

Nobody said anything like that. But a better question is why do White LGBTQ people like YOU always expect Black people to vote for your shit and YOU never vote for hours?

Why do White people like YOU always whine and complain that your oppression is equal to or WORSE than that of Black people? Whore please! YOU can always stop sucking dicks for a few minutes, assert your White privilege and not get gay-bashed, but Black people are always Black and always oppressed by shit heads like you. So FUCK YOU!

You Said:

[Quote]Black Americans have had 400 years to get their shit together. There's nothing i can do to help you.

That is the only true thing you have said. You can't even fucking help yourself. Why the fuck would any Black person want help from your ignorant incompetent ass? HAHAHA

Try to help your damn self. OOPS you failed at that! You seem like a really shitty person. I am pretty sure you're failing at life! HAHAHAHA

If you were an intelligent person you'd understand that oppressing Black people doesn't help you. Injustice for some is injustice for all. So keep being an immoral piece of shit. It's not gonna get you in the ladies restroom ya dumb fuck! Aint no Black people supporting your ignorant ass neither are any White folks with half a brain! Your dumbass is on your own! HAHAHAHA

You Said:

[Quote]I don't like the black people we see today. Eveyone wants to act hard and gansta. No one likes to see that shit in anyone. Dress decently, speak coherently and clearly and for the love of God stop killing each other.

No, you stupid Bitch! You just don't like Black people because you are insecure and racist as fuck. You don't like "Black people we see today." Well you sure don't have access to Black people of yesteryear dumbass! What in the fuck are you even talking about? And check your spelling you fucking pea brain! HAHAHA

And I am pretty sure "EVERYONE" is not acting "hard or gangsta" (whatever that means). Sounds like the racist stereotypes you heard are now causing you to be unable to differentiate Fox News Fantasy from reality.

Black people universally dress better than most tacky ass White people like YOU. Post a picture so we can laugh at how your goofy ass can't even match your socks! HAHAHA!

Most Black people speak better than YOU. Hell, based on your posts, your illiterate ass can barely string three words together to make a coherent sentence. Are you drunk girlfriend? Because your grammar and spelling and shit is all fucked up! HAHAHA

And you wanna talk about killing? White people do more killing than anybody else. From all the wars White people start with Black and Brown people all over the world, to the scary ass illegal and immoral White police shootings, White people like YOU have the market cornered.

And let's not forget all the fucking sick ass WHITE serial killers, and White men killing people in conjunction with being rapists and pedophiles, which you KNOW is disproportionately White men like YOU! White people like YOU are the fucking scourge of the earth!

Go sit your little funky racist immoral and totally gutter trash ass down somewhere! Aint nobody trying to hear any of your swine squealing tonight! HAHAHA

by Anonymousreply 403October 10, 2021 2:37 AM

R403 - “……all your little White devil friends.”

Fuck off and die.

by Anonymousreply 404October 10, 2021 2:41 AM

Fags are the best.

by Anonymousreply 405October 10, 2021 2:46 AM

R404 Nah Bitch, unlike you, i refer to specific White people, LIKE YOU in my post not all of them. Can you even read?

Damn it must be horrible to be White and stupid! HAHAHHAAHA

What is your excuse? Nobody is holding you back. Nobody has oppressed you. Accept it. You are just INFERIOR! HAHAHAHA!

by Anonymousreply 406October 10, 2021 2:46 AM

Wow. That's a little mean.

by Anonymousreply 407October 10, 2021 2:49 AM

R364, So, some mediocre black rapper killed a black man back in 2018 and got away with it, recently said some homophobic shit (as if we don't already know most rappers are homophobic a-holes) "woke" mob pretend to cancel him which only ends up giving him more attention and relevancy and somehow all of this is chalked up to "because gay people are more privileged in society than black people"...?

... and where exactly is that impeccable "comedic genius" that I'm supposed to be looking out for here? Lol It's nothing but cherry picking, straw mans and generalizations. Is that really all Dave Chappelle has? Am I supposed to be impressed by lazy commentary on low hanging fruit? May as well go watch Alex Jones.

And that part about Mike Pence, of course his "joke" was really just a rant to say white gays are racist, but conveniently leaves out that Mike Pence is also a raging homophobe who supports conversion therapy and has actively tried to harm gay people, why didn't he mention that in his comedy routine? Is it because his whole "white gays are bigots" narrative would've fallen apart?

He says he's jealous, he admits that much. So his commentary on gay people is driven by his jealousy, and his jealousy has no place in truth. Yet, he thinks these "new gays are too sensitive and brittle". Dave Chappelle, the 48 year old, multi-millionaire famous comedian is so sensitive and brittle that it hurts him to see other minorities progressing.

by Anonymousreply 408October 10, 2021 2:52 AM

[quote] Well [R60] someone should tell him that the NAACP used up a lot of letters themselves

You really can’t compare the name of an ORGANIZATION to the ever-expanding term for an entire people. Actually, you DID just compare them!

[quote] . I don’t consider JKR, Chappelle, or even Bethanny Fucking Frankel to be radical on their beliefs about trans issues, or even transphobic in nature. But then again… logic

It doesn’t matter what YOU consider ‘transphobic,’ because YOU’RE not in charge of deciding, and the people who ARE in charge declare ‘transphobia’ whenever anyone uses fact or reason, but of which are OBVIOUSLY transphobic!’

[quote] By claiming that his words caused violence, are they then sanctioning violence against him? For example, we had an excuse to go to war when the USS Maine exploded. Could this work the same way? Trans activists have an excuse to harm Dave Chappelle or anyone who doesn't fall in line with their rhetoric because any deviation constitutes "violence"?

They don’t need an excuse. They threaten violence constantly!

by Anonymousreply 409October 10, 2021 9:16 AM

[quote]and where exactly is that impeccable "comedic genius" that I'm supposed to be looking out for here ... that part about Mike Pence, of course his "joke" was really just a rant to say white gays are racist, but conveniently leaves out that Mike Pence is also a raging homophobe who supports conversion therapy and has actively tried to harm gay people, why didn't he mention that in his comedy routine? Is it because his whole "white gays are bigots" narrative would've fallen apart?

Wow, R409, all of that was IMPLIED. He didn't need to come out and say it. The portion you quoted where Chappelle pretty much said Pence was a closet-gay who should be held up for ridicule must have went over your head. JFC. Bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 410October 10, 2021 9:50 AM

The "trans community" that Chappelle allegedly got in trouble with is "Jaclyn Moore", an allegedly bisexual biological male who "transitioned" overnight last December, white showrunner on Dear White People, and proud owner of a lovely tattoo with the word "faggot".

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by Anonymousreply 411October 10, 2021 10:02 AM

"Jaclyn" Moore, Chappelle's trans critic, also has a beautiful tattoo of a mermaid with breasts and an ejaculating penis.

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by Anonymousreply 412October 10, 2021 10:04 AM

Sorry for the confusion, my comment was directed at R408.

I'm drunk. Not that that's an excuse.

by Anonymousreply 413October 10, 2021 10:15 AM

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Wanda Sykes?

by Anonymousreply 414October 10, 2021 1:32 PM

Most people already don't like us. Chappelle is giving them more reasons to not like us.

And like R395 all those white woke celebs applauding his bravery for claiming gay people are racist and don't do enough to help black people demonstrate that there is a hierarchy of bigotry and for them gay is at the bottom and everything else is far above us. They showed exactly what they think of us.

I think it's time for gays and lesbians to start worrying about ourselves again and let the rest of the world's minorities deal with their own shit.

by Anonymousreply 415October 10, 2021 1:38 PM

[quote]His theme is that gay people are black people's biggest problem? That's just stupid. His biggest problem is straight white people.

R393 that is a good point. I think further to that he feels that gay people shouldn't have the equality we have today. He seems to think we've jumped the line and somehow got ahead of black people. What he expects us to do to help black people he never explains. I frankly don't know what they expect of us. BLM have taken over pride committees all over north America and kicked out all the white people. Isn't that enough?

by Anonymousreply 416October 10, 2021 1:44 PM

It's really clear that most if not all of you putting down Chappelle as a bigot didn't even watch the fucking set.

by Anonymousreply 417October 10, 2021 1:51 PM

Chappelle wants to have it both ways: mock LGBTQ and then end with "Some of my best friends are LGBTQ. And she died!"

Imagine a gay standup trying that on black people.

by Anonymousreply 418October 10, 2021 2:05 PM

It really is embarrassing the # of you commenting on something you clearly didn't watch, but I guess that's where we are now.

by Anonymousreply 419October 10, 2021 2:12 PM

If you really don't like Chapelle, ignore him. He's bulked up, lowered his voice two octaves and now phones in shows that are tributes to how rich, famous and iconoclastic he is. If that's your cup of tea, fine. And, yeah, I watched the show until I fell asleep. I laughed at parts but mostly found him tedious rather than offensive. We get it, Dave. You're a powerful toxic, hetero male .

by Anonymousreply 420October 10, 2021 2:19 PM

R413, He's making fun of Mike Pence for be a closet case, he's not ridiculing Pence for being a homophobe.

Go drink your drink, boozy louise.

by Anonymousreply 421October 10, 2021 2:58 PM

I had to roll my eyes when Chappelle referred to himself as the GOAT.

by Anonymousreply 422October 10, 2021 3:08 PM

The problem is people like you deliberately mixing up the LGB and the TQ, r418.

by Anonymousreply 423October 10, 2021 3:24 PM

Comedy is and always has been subversive. The trans community appears to only exist to be offended and demand that everyone cater to their every whim.

They should avoid watching comedians.

by Anonymousreply 424October 10, 2021 3:27 PM

R302 You are a bloody idiot if you don't know the difference between something being the planned part of the show and the unplanned ramblings. No one said one wasn't as bad as the other, just that Kramer's ramblings weren't part of the show, they weren't written jokes. That was a racist man having a breakdown

by Anonymousreply 425October 10, 2021 3:50 PM

Why is this jackynmoore person's Twitter no longer visible?

by Anonymousreply 426October 10, 2021 4:04 PM

It's Jaclyn Moore and his Twitter is still there..

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by Anonymousreply 427October 10, 2021 4:45 PM

Is there anything at all in the world that doesn't offend the trans community at some point or other?

Some claim transitioning is transphobic.

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by Anonymousreply 428October 10, 2021 4:57 PM

Fuck the trans community in their pussies and assholes. They can pretend all they like but gender is a fact.

by Anonymousreply 429October 10, 2021 5:13 PM

R395 YOU said:

[Quote]Is there a point at which he would start to feel uncomfortable with how many alt-right-y white guys love this stuff?

In what kind of delusion are you in where Dave Chappelle is aligned with the alt-right White guys? Are you fucking insane?

YOU said:

[Quote]Chappelle is somehow allowed, at this particular place and time, to say the things that they aren't (or aren't publicly allowed, on pain of cancellation, to say)?

Excuse me? "Allowed?" What is this 1821 or 2021? The last time I checked this was America where we have free speech. And despite his Black skin, Dave Chappelle is an American Citizen. He can say whatever the fuck he wants! Who are you to monitor his speech and determine what he is or is not allowed to say? FUCK YOU!

YOU said:

[Quote]At a certain level of success and wealth, something like blackness or gayness can become the opposite of a lack of privilege, like a shield or something.

Are we supposed to believe that you care about the rights of Black people after you just said Chappelle should not be allowed to say what he wants - a right guaranteed to him as a part of the US Constitution? You are a complete joke!

YOU SAID:

[Quote]Ariana Grande's in the crowd applauding this "I don't like the new, brittle gays, who aren't good allies anyway" - would she be applauding if Dave Chappelle was white? Would any of the gays falling all over themselves here to reassure everyone just how very cool they are with this be cool with it from a woman? White guy? Muslim guy?

And this really is the crux of your complaint isn't it?

"The audacity of this Black man to call out racist White people (gay or otherwise). How dare he criticize us and bring up our shortcomings as White people and our MIA patterns when it comes to Black people and Civil rights."

"And how dare Arianna Grande and these other White celebrities agree with this Black man. I have a good mind to just cancel them all for telling a truth that I don't like."

Bitch, you are Karen on steroids! Your entitlement and privilege is so blatantly obvious. This has nothing to do with LGBTQ issues but is all about your racism. IF you had a conscience at all you would be ashamed to even be contemplate shit like this much less type it on a public forum. People like you are not good allies for Black people and you just proved Dave's point. Fuck all the way off you racist prick!

by Anonymousreply 430October 10, 2021 5:44 PM

I feel like gays/LGBT completely forgot that we are at the bottom of the food chain in everything and from everyone. The LGBT community needs to solely advocate for ourselves. If someone refused to make a wedding cake for a black wedding it would be a national outrage, if they refuse gays it is for religious purposes. We may have marriage but we are not at the same level as blacks or any other community in the US and globally.

by Anonymousreply 431October 10, 2021 5:44 PM

R415 said:

[Quote]white woke celebs applauding his bravery for claiming gay people are racist and don't do enough to help black people.

You don't! Most White Gays have been shitty allies for Black people.

You further said:

[Quote]I think it's time for gays and lesbians to start worrying about ourselves again and let the rest of the world's minorities deal with their own shit.

Most of you do that shit anyway! LOL That is no big loss for Black people, but it will fuck you hard in the ass (NO LUBE)!

As you hop on your grandstand, let's forget that White mainstream America HATES YOU!

At least Black people have shown some compassion towards LGBTQ. Also a lot of Black people happen to be Gay and Lesbian.

So keep dismissing other minorities and we'll see how much your causes continue to have any momentum!

Most White people vote Republican. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for gay rights to appear anywhere on a GOP national platform!

by Anonymousreply 432October 10, 2021 5:52 PM

^^^^^^^. let's *not forget that White mainstream America HATES YOU!

by Anonymousreply 433October 10, 2021 5:54 PM

[quote]Most White Gays have been shitty allies for Black people.

?

by Anonymousreply 434October 10, 2021 5:58 PM

[quote]^^^^^^^. let's *not forget that White mainstream America HATES YOU!

No…you do. You hate white gays.

by Anonymousreply 435October 10, 2021 5:59 PM

R434 IF White LGBTQ supported Black civil rights with the same fervor they demand it for Gay rights we could virtually eradicate racism in America!

R435 I don't hate anyone. I just wish that everyone did not use the civil rights party... the party of equal rights (i.e. The Democratic Party) solely for their own interests and not support Black issues. It is beyond annoying.

by Anonymousreply 436October 10, 2021 6:01 PM

Let us just get to the bottom of this. Dave is into chicks with dicks.

by Anonymousreply 437October 10, 2021 6:04 PM

R437 LOL He does seem obsessed with blowjobs. Every set he mentions them. And we all know that LGBTQ people give the best blowjobs. He's probably soliciting! LOL

by Anonymousreply 438October 10, 2021 6:06 PM

R428: That's a satiric website.

by Anonymousreply 439October 10, 2021 6:09 PM

If "Gender is fact" is true, then is Race a fact? If so, Middle Easterners aren't considered black. Middle Easterners categorized as white/caucasian — even if they're from North Africa.

"White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa or the Middle East."

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by Anonymousreply 440October 10, 2021 6:18 PM

R431 c'mon. That's ridiculous. White gays tend to be in the highest economic groups in the US. Blacks tend to be in the lowest.

by Anonymousreply 441October 10, 2021 6:19 PM

I'm black and gay. Can black people be homophobic? Yes. Can white gays be racist? Yes. Should both groups work together for a common good? Yes. Are they going to? Probably not. Is there some middle ground where everyone can meet and happily coexist? Yeah, but it won't happen because everybody is too busy getting offended.

by Anonymousreply 442October 10, 2021 6:39 PM

R441 is right.

R431 your examples are even ridiculous. White Gays get upset because someone won't make them a cake. I guarantee you that things like that happen to Black people (just because they are Black) every hour on the hour all over the US. Do you really think they don't?

I can also guarantee you that if some White people refused to make a cake for a Black person (because of their race), that Black person might have some nasty words for them, may go to the press, hell they may even sue them but I can tell you one thing they won't do: Eat the cake! Black folks are not trying to get poisoned! LOL

That is the difference. Because White people are so "comfortable" with their entitlement in America that when discriminated against, the first thing White people think of is to assert their rights and demand justice,

Black people don't always have that right to seek justice because they know that discrimination against Black folks is often deadly. There are a lot more considerations for Black people in asserting their rights which is why most discrimination against Black people you will never hear about.

by Anonymousreply 443October 10, 2021 6:41 PM

[quote]Should both groups work together for a common good? Yes. Are they going to? Probably not. Is there some middle ground where everyone can meet and happily coexist? Yeah, but it won't happen because everybody is too busy getting offended.

Then we need to segregate. Whites are miserable. Blacks are miserable. Stop demonizing segregation and start embracing it—for real. Legally. Everyone will be much, much happier. Everyone will be.

by Anonymousreply 444October 10, 2021 6:44 PM

R444 Why are u so worried about other people. IF you want to segregate yourself from Black people (I'm sure you already have), then why worry the rest of us with your mental problems. Just continue to segregate yourself. You've added nothing to this discussion. NOTHING!

by Anonymousreply 445October 10, 2021 6:48 PM

Alright, just name call. That’s to be expected.

by Anonymousreply 446October 10, 2021 6:49 PM

Yes. R444 Wyoming and Montana are waiting for you. But if you're also gay - good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 447October 10, 2021 6:50 PM

[quote]I feel like gays/LGBT completely forgot that we are at the bottom of the food chain in everything and from everyone.

I would submit that getting killed by cops at an insane rate is just a teensy bit more inconvenient than a handful of bakers across the country refusing to whip up a wedding cake, but you do you.

by Anonymousreply 448October 10, 2021 6:57 PM

R437 Today's chick's with dicks don't look like they used to.

by Anonymousreply 449October 10, 2021 7:03 PM

R430 YOU SAID:

[quote]The audacity of this Black man to call out racist White people (gay or otherwise). How dare he criticize us and bring up our shortcomings as White people and our MIA patterns when it comes to Black people and Civil rights.

But he didn't call out all white people in his show. He specifically targeted gay white people. To use your term, we are already "the other" and he makes us more so by implying that all gay white men are racist.

It seems like he trying to convince white people to stop supporting us and give black people more support. Divide and concur.

by Anonymousreply 450October 10, 2021 7:13 PM

R448 cops aren't walking around blasting any and all black people they see. The fact that you're still alive bears that out.

by Anonymousreply 451October 10, 2021 7:16 PM

[quote]IF White LGBTQ supported Black civil rights with the same fervor they demand it for Gay rights we could virtually eradicate racism in America!

You're HAF if you believe that. Nothing will eradicate racism.

by Anonymousreply 452October 10, 2021 7:20 PM

[quote]cops aren't walking around blasting any and all black people they see.

And bakers aren't walking around refusing to create wedding cakes for all gay marriages.

Do you have a more salient point to make?

by Anonymousreply 453October 10, 2021 7:21 PM

R432 YOU SAID:

[quote]At least Black people have shown some compassion towards LGBTQ.

Bullshit.

[quote]Also a lot of Black people happen to be Gay and Lesbian.

And closeted.

by Anonymousreply 454October 10, 2021 7:21 PM

[quote] And bakers aren't walking around refusing to create wedding cakes for all gay marriages. Do you have a more salient point to make?

Yes, half the gov't is actively working to remove equality from gay people. Can't say the same for black people.

by Anonymousreply 455October 10, 2021 7:23 PM

[quote]It seems like he trying to convince white people to stop supporting us and give black people more support.

Jesus Christ. Did you even watch the special?

by Anonymousreply 456October 10, 2021 7:24 PM

[quote]Yes, half the gov't is actively working to remove equality from gay people. Can't say the same for black people.

Yes, the fact that the Republicans' project to restrict voting rights unduly impacts black people is just a coincidence.

by Anonymousreply 457October 10, 2021 7:26 PM

Ugh. Oppression Olympics. Just segregate please. Segregation now. Segregation forever.

by Anonymousreply 458October 10, 2021 7:28 PM

The poster above was considerate enough to post the highlights.

[quote]Yes, the fact that the Republicans' project to restrict voting rights unduly impacts black people is just a coincidence.

You can't vote? That's sad. We can't find housing, or adopt, or get medical care, or teach, or not get fired, and on and on it goes.

But you can't vote. Unless of course you can, which you can and still do.

by Anonymousreply 459October 10, 2021 7:28 PM

[quote]We can't find housing, or adopt, or get medical care, or teach, or not get fired, and on and on it goes.

Have you slept through the last 10 years?

by Anonymousreply 460October 10, 2021 7:30 PM

Have you paid attention to politics in the last two years?

by Anonymousreply 461October 10, 2021 7:31 PM

Yep, and I can still byu and sell houses, adopt, get medical care, teach and not get fired.

by Anonymousreply 462October 10, 2021 7:32 PM

YOU HAD A BLACK PRESIDENT AND YOU HAVE A BLACK VICE PRESIDENT!

Nothing is ever good enough for black Americans and they're always blaming everyone else for their problems.

by Anonymousreply 463October 10, 2021 7:33 PM

[quote]Yep, and I can still byu and sell houses, adopt, get medical care, teach and not get fired.

In which states R462?

by Anonymousreply 464October 10, 2021 7:33 PM

R448, That's a false equivalency, and let's not pretend that cops aren't going around harassing and assaulting LGBT people, too.

by Anonymousreply 465October 10, 2021 8:01 PM

I know cops who stopped two, white, wealthy elderly gay men…white, wealthy, and elderly…and asked them what they were doing. Why they were walking together. They were asked if they lived in the area. After they answered all the questions, the cop drove off.

by Anonymousreply 466October 10, 2021 8:05 PM

Cops did nothing to help the white gay guy here.

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by Anonymousreply 467October 10, 2021 8:06 PM

Girls, girls! You're BOTH oppressed victims!

by Anonymousreply 468October 10, 2021 8:22 PM

R450

YOU SAID:

[Quote]It seems like he trying to convince white people to stop supporting us and give black people more support. Divide and concur.

Are you serious? Is this really what you are worried about? Why does it have to be a competition? Why can't White people (gay or otherwise) just support Black issues? Why do YOU feel the need to put one over the other? There goes your entitlement again.

In other Comedy Specials Dave has addressed racist White people in general. In this one he is addressing White LGBTQ and saying y'all are shitty allies for Black people. Where's the lie in that. BTW, you are proving his point every time you post here.

by Anonymousreply 469October 11, 2021 1:09 AM

[Quote]cops aren't walking around blasting any and all black people they see. The fact that you're still alive bears that out.

R451 That is an idiotic statement.

Just because cops haven't killed all Black people... yet doesn't mean it is not a problem. One single Black person alive doesn't prove anything.

That is really Cuckoo!

by Anonymousreply 470October 11, 2021 1:12 AM

[Quote]You're HAF if you believe that. Nothing will eradicate racism.

R452

Nobody said racism would be TOTALLY eradicated. Did you miss the word "virtually" or did that just not fit your narrative in your lame attempt to blow the statement out of proportion?

I notice that in your foolish attempt to distract, you failed to address my point:

If White LGBTQ were true allies instead of working against us then yeah you people could help get rid of the racism started by White people. Racism in America is a WHITE problem. Y'all SHOULD BE at least helping to fix it!

by Anonymousreply 471October 11, 2021 1:18 AM

Let’s get back to me. Before my sixth drink.

by Anonymousreply 472October 11, 2021 1:20 AM

R454 The real Bullshit is that you will harass and try to cancel Black people for not helping you trot your dick in the women's restroom but you won't go home and tell your Mama to support you instead of Trump. Why don't you address that? Why haven't you DONE that?

IF you don't give a shit about Black people why don't you just vote Republican in all the elections and see if White people support you? You're full of shit. You want Black people to support White Gay rights but you don't give a damn about Black lives whether they be LGBTQ or not.

Racist Motherfuckers like you really needed to be called out by Dave Chappelle. I am glad he did it.

by Anonymousreply 473October 11, 2021 1:24 AM

What did R454 say that was racist?

by Anonymousreply 474October 11, 2021 1:56 AM

Fuck the trannies, right up their man cunts.

OH wait....I already do that.

by Anonymousreply 475October 11, 2021 10:55 AM

[quote]I would submit

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 476October 11, 2021 10:58 AM

Who is the tedious “You said” troll? Jesus Christ, get your sanctimonious ass off DL. You don’t belong here. Learn to quote.

by Anonymousreply 477October 11, 2021 11:29 AM

[quote]Why does it have to be a competition?

Why don't you ask Dave Chappelle R469 ?

by Anonymousreply 478October 11, 2021 1:15 PM

The biggest problem for black American men are other black American men. They kill more black American men than all the cops in America combined.

Why didn't Chappelle talk about the absurd prison sentences that black men are given? Or the punitive way courts treat minor infractions? Or cops arresting black children?

White gay men are not your problem. Don't treat us like shit, call us names and reduce us to stereotypes and then bitch and complain that we don't do enough to help you.

by Anonymousreply 479October 11, 2021 1:19 PM

r497, didn't watch the show.

by Anonymousreply 480October 11, 2021 2:08 PM

White gay men support blacks, trans, and Islam more than anyone else. Financially, through votes. Of course to their own detriment. I don’t. Thank god, but I’m a tiny minority, 1% in the whole gay male community as opposed to the 99% who do. So this notion that white gay men “treat blacks like shit” is false.

by Anonymousreply 481October 11, 2021 2:20 PM

R479

It is always a bad sign when a White man purports to tell Black people what their "biggest problem" is. Someone who has never walked in their shoes and hasn't bothered to concern himself with their struggles makes you an unreliable and self-serving source.

You could have saved everything you just typed because it is all irrelevant BULLSHIT. But if it makes you feel better to blame Black people for the racism that people like you spew then continue to live in that delusion but you should know that you sound like a fool when you say that shit aloud.

Seriously, you sound stupid.

And for the record, you just reduced yourself to the stereotype that Chappelle addressed. Maybe you should go back and watch The Closer again. He was talking specifically to you.

by Anonymousreply 482October 11, 2021 2:59 PM

Oh god, it's the "lived experience" troll too. "Lived experience" is not science, and is entirely subjective.

by Anonymousreply 483October 11, 2021 3:12 PM

[quote]It is always a bad sign when a White man purports to tell Black people what their "biggest problem" is.

The entire premise of Chappelles shows are telling gay people what our problems are.

by Anonymousreply 484October 11, 2021 5:18 PM

Did you watch the show R484?

by Anonymousreply 485October 11, 2021 5:21 PM

R484 Actually that's a lie. His shows cover a wide variety of topics.

Why are you being so defensive? They say a hit dog will holler!

Is Dave hitting a little too close to home for you?

Or is it that a Black man is not allowed to have an opinion if it disagrees with White people's "savior" narrative?

White people: "The Black people should be grateful that I don't use the N word."

Black people: "You want a cookie for that?" Are you not aware of Black people being murdered in the streets and being denied voting rights?

Either LGBTQ are gonna support equality for ALL or not!

LGBTQ blame Black people every time some gay oriented initiative doesn't go through, but Black people never blame LGBTQ for not supporting civil rights for Black people.

The White Gays protesteth too much!

by Anonymousreply 486October 11, 2021 6:29 PM
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by Anonymousreply 487October 11, 2021 6:33 PM

^ That's what the person gets. You can't bash your own company and expect to remain unscathed. I know they think they're untouchable, but not anymore.

by Anonymousreply 488October 11, 2021 7:43 PM

Well, they weren't going to fire the black...

by Anonymousreply 489October 11, 2021 7:45 PM

r489 I'm blocking you now. There's having issues with victimhood mentality and cancel culture around it and then there's overt racism, and you seem to be comfortable veering towards the overt.

Moving on...

Good god this is a sanctimonious, emotionally manipulative Twitter post/thread. I hope the employee gets fired (they did get suspended, for now). They didn't have to highlight that they work at Netflix, but they did.

No one questions trans' "existence", either, that is a strawman. Yes, people exist who want to present as the other gender using gender stereotypes, for various reasons such as mental disorders like gender dysphoria, depression, and narcissism, some do it because they get off on it, and so on. It doesn't mean trans is a new human species, or somehow special, or somehow that different from other humans.

But go on, list every trans person that was killed or died in some unfortunate way, the "trans people are dying!" false hysteria is just that, false hysteria.

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by Anonymousreply 490October 11, 2021 8:15 PM

They didn't fire them over their post, it seems, they fired them because they tried to force their way into a director-level meeting they weren't supposed to be in, presumably to DEMAND JUSTICE AND DEATH FOR ALL who oppose them.

"The tweet thread went viral, quickly spiraling into a conversation about free speech and cancel culture. Netflix then suspended Field along with two other employees for trying to attend a director-level meeting they weren’t invited to. Another trans employee is quitting the company over how the special — and Field’s comments — were handled.

In a statement emailed to The Verge, a Netflix spokesperson pushed back against the idea that Field was suspended for tweeting. “It is absolutely untrue to say that we have suspended any employee for tweeting about this show,” they said. “Our employees are encouraged to disagree openly and we support their right to do so.”

by Anonymousreply 491October 11, 2021 8:24 PM

[quote] It's really clear that most if not all of you putting down Chappelle as a bigot didn't even watch the fucking set.

I’m literally shaking right now. Why would we want to watch something that’s transfobic and homofobic? Why would we voluntarily subject bunselves to these triggers and literal violence? We have enough problems on our own, what with our being murdered every 20 minutes, we don’t need to add to our pressures.

by Anonymousreply 492October 11, 2021 8:38 PM

R490

by Anonymousreply 493October 11, 2021 8:45 PM

R490 Terra Field, huh? Another plain, fat guy who always dreamed of being a butt-ugly, unfuckable woman.

by Anonymousreply 494October 11, 2021 9:00 PM

R492, Why are you shaking honey? IF you have not seen The Closer, how do you KNOW it is transphobic or homophobic?

You ARE showing yourself to BE exactly what you are quoting and criticizing!

by Anonymousreply 495October 11, 2021 9:06 PM

Dave Chappelle is the best comedian, right now? Really?

by Anonymousreply 496October 11, 2021 9:11 PM

I think you need to turn up your satire detector, R495.

Although it is admittedly hard to distinguish between truth and parody these days.

by Anonymousreply 497October 11, 2021 9:40 PM

R497 There was a time when satire was clear. But nowadays people are so crazy it is really hard to determine whether they are serious. But that's ok. I got my Bullshit Detector on.

by Anonymousreply 498October 11, 2021 10:02 PM

r492, then you many not comment about it. No one says you have to watch it but keep your criticism to yourself .because you are only talking about an imaginary show, because you didn't watch the real one.

by Anonymousreply 499October 12, 2021 1:04 AM

r499 for fuck's sake, the poster was joking. Has everyone gone stupid suddenly?

by Anonymousreply 500October 12, 2021 1:26 AM

R500 You have obviously not seen all the reviews on twitter and YouTube where people admit upfront that they have not seen The Closer but then proceed to bash it for 20 minutes.

Because The Closer is so blatantly NOT transphobic or homophobic, yet so many people have been disingenuous in their assessment of the show, it really is difficult to know whether to take anyone's bashing seriously. We cannot assume anything with these people.

by Anonymousreply 501October 12, 2021 9:09 AM

I watched it and it gave me a couple of snickers but it wasn't particularly funny. It was more like a lecture or a sermon than a laugh-out-loud stand up act. He's no Lenny Bruce or Richard Prior.

The trans content wasn't offensive to me (a gay man) but I thought he was a little bit backward in talking about "gender" being exclusively dimorphic (or binary) instead of using the "sex" word. Gender is cultural, sex is biological.

by Anonymousreply 502October 12, 2021 9:35 AM

Thank you, r11! Was just about to mention Macduff, as well as myself!

by Anonymousreply 503October 12, 2021 9:48 AM

R502, Lecturing seems to be Dave's schtick these days.

by Anonymousreply 504October 12, 2021 10:36 AM

Yes, r502; I wish people would say "sex" instead of "gender" -- whenever I see "gender" on a form I'm filling out, I always cross it out and write "sex" above it.

by Anonymousreply 505October 12, 2021 2:02 PM

R501 it's entirely possible for people to detect and see sarcasm, unless one has a form of autism or are just so humorless one thinks everything is dire and serious all the time. If a person has been paying attention to this topic the mocking is quite evident.

The humor is a way of channelling sadness.

by Anonymousreply 506October 12, 2021 2:28 PM

R502 and r504 - have you watched his previous specials? He's not a typical comedian who is going for laughs all the time.

by Anonymousreply 507October 12, 2021 2:30 PM

R507, Yeah, I think my post made it clear that I "get it."

And FTR, I am a fan, and have been since before he took his major "break."

His routine that includes seeing a little child alone on the streets at night still cracks me up, because of how he recalls his startled reaction.

by Anonymousreply 508October 12, 2021 2:57 PM

Every single fucking Netflix show has a tranny on it, even the cartoons. One show that doesn't hugbox them, and they throw the usual tantrums, wondering why it isn't working this time.

All of this proved Chappelle right.

by Anonymousreply 509October 12, 2021 3:03 PM

R508: "His routine that includes seeing a little child alone on the streets at night still cracks me up, because of how he recalls his startled reaction."

"Hey, baby! Yeah, you!" A classic.

by Anonymousreply 510October 12, 2021 3:07 PM

He frequently offends me and then he makes me laugh out loud. If you can't cope with him, don't watch him. He has always been a bomb thrower. "Political correctness" = humorless and self-righteous..

by Anonymousreply 511October 12, 2021 3:38 PM

From r487:

“In a statement emailed to The Verge, a Netflix spokesperson pushed back against the idea that Field was suspended for tweeting. “It is absolutely untrue to say that we have suspended any employee for tweeting about this show,” they said. “Our employees are encouraged to disagree openly and we support their right to do so.”

by Anonymousreply 512October 12, 2021 4:00 PM

Netflix makes it a point to provide programming for the gay community. They even gave Ryan Murphy a $200 million contract.

It makes no sense for GLAAD or other gays to be going after them when they have been one of our strongest allies.

by Anonymousreply 513October 12, 2021 4:10 PM

So this whole thread was a lie? They didn’t get suspended for the tweet?

I feel misled here. Why did Op let this farce go on for 600 posts?

I like gossiping but not if it’s fake.

by Anonymousreply 514October 12, 2021 4:13 PM

R511 I agree with you 100%! He is a bomb thrower!

Dave gets on everyone's nerves. A lot of Black people cringe every time he says the "N" word.

All Black people are not ok with that but they LOVE Dave Chappelle and do you know why that is?

Because he's making a bigger fucking point! Everyone knows he is not using that word from a place of hate.

Just like everyone knows (if they watch the special all the way to the end) that he is not talking about trans folks from a place of hate.

Folks may not like how Dave says things but he is going to give something to think about if folks can get past their feelings to listen.

He is a brilliant comedian!

Those of you with your panties in a knot need to grow up and find something else to complain about. This aint it.

This is America. People express their opinion every day. The Big Scary Black man giving his perspective on a wide range of issues is not ruining your life Karen.

Comedians make jokes. We want to hear them. If you don't like it then there is an easy fix.

Don't listen.

by Anonymousreply 515October 12, 2021 4:18 PM

These fake anti-trans bots just post dialogue back and forth but they aren’t saying anything. This is such a fake thread. Everything is artificial.

by Anonymousreply 516October 12, 2021 4:19 PM

Honestly I'm not anti trans but I think trans people need to have their own movement, separate from LGB issue. Sexual orientation is only an afterthought with the trans movement and it's be on what the trans person identifies in terms of sex and attraction. Just lie the straight community can coexist with the LGB community, so can the trans but they have a different movement. They also hijack gay issues and sort of force gays to fight their fight for them. As DL demonstrates, being gay doesn't automatically make one a trans advocate.

by Anonymousreply 517October 12, 2021 4:23 PM

[Quote] it's entirely possible for people to detect and see sarcasm, unless one has a form of autism

R501 Don't blame other people because you cannot write clearly. Maybe the retard is you?

Usually when someone thinks everyone else is crazy, they need to look in the mirror to find the real crazy. It's you honey.

by Anonymousreply 518October 12, 2021 4:23 PM

OP got you guys! Try to be more skeptical next time.

by Anonymousreply 519October 12, 2021 4:28 PM

R518 I didn't post the original comment that was clearly a joke, but I don't think it was poorly-worded at all

It's fine. Not everyone can "get" humor. It's a sign of higher intelligence, after all.

by Anonymousreply 520October 12, 2021 4:44 PM

R520 Nice try but if you are a poor communicator that suggests lower intelligence.

If no one is getting your jokes then it is just gibberish!

Comedy is not your thing. Keep your day job honey! LOL

by Anonymousreply 521October 12, 2021 4:49 PM

Knock, knock?

by Anonymousreply 522October 12, 2021 4:54 PM

r521 You're cute. I'm sorry you didn't get the joke (which again, wasn't mine) and felt like a stupid idiot, but that's not society's fault.

by Anonymousreply 523October 12, 2021 5:20 PM

R523 Sure Jan. LOL

After attempting to defend your lame joke in 4 posts, you now don't wanna accept responsibility for it because you realize no one got it? Your failure to communicate is unfortunate. That's not my fault though. Blame your mother or your failed public school education. HAHAHAHA

by Anonymousreply 524October 12, 2021 5:24 PM

Perhaps all Dave's years of smoking pot have gone to his head? He's losing his mind? Is he still a pothead?

He used to be funny, he didn't need to tell anti-gay jokes, though he was always making terrible jokes about women.

Some Black people find Dave's jokes offensive. A lot of his Black fans also don't like the fact that he's married to a Filipino woman. Fans take way too much of an entertainer's life very personally.

Watch his old show to understand Dave's type of comedy. It's funny and somewhat offensive at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 525October 12, 2021 5:36 PM

One thing I did find interesting in watching the special was his use of the N-word: he didn't use it in a racial context, but rather to refer any person who could be perceived as confrontational or in-your-face, regardless of race or sex.

by Anonymousreply 526October 12, 2021 5:40 PM

r246, no. Gender is masculinity or femininity. Sex is male of female. Man is to Stallion as Woman is to Mare as Gelding is to Tranny.

by Anonymousreply 527October 12, 2021 6:06 PM

r524 The only thing I'm "defending" is that you clearly have no sense of humor, which I think is evident from anyone reading this thread. And I'm blocking you now, because you've become tiresome and boring, STILL trying to attack me (again, a bystander who didn't make the initial jokes you never seem to get) and land an insult of some sort, because you're embarrassed at your lack of understanding humor and context.

Your future remarks or further attempts at insulting (which have been adorable thus far) are of no importance to me, or anyone, really. Goodbye.

by Anonymousreply 528October 12, 2021 6:57 PM

Dave clearly was NOT dragging Trans. Watch the whole special please! Stop making snap judgments based on a tweet or post.

I'm really surprised that so many gays are obsessed with bringing every freak and fetish under their banner.

BUT, nowadays it seems you can't be an ally of gays and lesbians without mastering (and AGREEING WITH) all the different names and jargons: Cis, transexual, transgender, binary, non-binary, gender, sex, dead names, pronouns, pansexual, bisexual, TERF etc. etc. etc., not to mention LGBTQIA.

This should not be a requirement.

All of these people have every right to exist and nobody should abuse them EVER. However, if you have questions about any of this then all of a sudden you are canceled and labeled as homophobic or transphobic.

Do you really think the average person (gay or straight) knows/cares about all of this?

Maybe you have a "hip" grandmother, but think of people in her generation trying to keep up with all this as you "fight for your rights."

Do you really want grandma having to think about what you do in your bedroom when gays have fought so long to keep people out of their bedrooms?

It is hard to keep your sex life private when you want to wear a dress in the street and demand extra rights & recognition for it.

Dressing in drag used to be something for entertainment purposes or between consenting adults in the bedroom. Then it branched out into clubs and places where like minded people could congregate, but now it's a full lifestyle on par with homosexuality and heterosexuality?

Somewhere the gay community has jumped the shark.

You gay advocates are not doing yourselves any favors.

We have gay and straight. Like it or not, everything else is just a fetish.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but unless you chop your cock off (Bruce Jenner), you're not a woman - then you'd be straight.

Unless you're willing to get a sex change operation then your sex is what is listed on your birth certificate.

Stop confusing things and making it hard on gay people (and allies) who have been in this fight for humanity for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 529October 12, 2021 7:00 PM

R528 Someone as ignorant and condescending as you should really block everyone since obviously your pea brain cannot process opinions you disagree with. You bombed on a joke. It happens. Face it and move on. No need to be a dick about it and try to blame others.

by Anonymousreply 530October 12, 2021 7:03 PM

r514 / r516 / r519 what are you on about? The OP has nothing about the trans person storming the board room at Netflix and getting suspended. That came much later in the thread.

I'm guessing this is some new TRA troll attempt, like posting bible verses or links to sex workers' obituaries.

by Anonymousreply 531October 12, 2021 7:08 PM

Oh, and yes, r514, r516, and r519 are all the same person.

by Anonymousreply 532October 12, 2021 7:09 PM

Nigg

by Anonymousreply 533October 12, 2021 7:38 PM

If I were a woman, I'd be pissed off about transwomen trying to claim they represent women. Chappelle did make a salient point about transwomen being in a sense the equivalent of 'blackface'.

However, as a superficial gay man, I will always be shocked by ordinary looking men deciding they'd rather be really ugly women.

by Anonymousreply 534October 12, 2021 7:57 PM

Well, r534, at least they won't have to worry about getting an abortion.

by Anonymousreply 535October 12, 2021 8:21 PM

r534 For many of them it's a sexual fetish, so even though they are hideously unattractive women, they feel "feminine" and it turns them on, especially when people "validate" them as women. It's basically like when a child plays pretend, except these are grown adults. They're LARPing as women.

And yeah it's definitely a form of blackface. They can never explain why pretending to be a different race is different from pretending to be a different sex, and why one is condemned but the other isn't. I'm pretty sure it will be eventually though! it's the next logical step.

r535 they WANT to be able to get abortions. It's all part of "affirming their womanhood". They won't be satisfied until they can carve women up for parts and have them transplanted in their bodies, get pregnant, and have the baby aborted. They will, of course, be discussing this with everyone on their social media, because it's pointless if no one else notices them going through what they imagine real women go through.

by Anonymousreply 536October 12, 2021 8:27 PM

Black people can't get their shit together then bitch and complain that gay people aren't doing enough to help them.

There are MILLIONS of you. Many more than us. What the fuck do you expect us to do for you?

by Anonymousreply 537October 12, 2021 9:46 PM

[quote]Are you not aware of Black people being murdered in the streets and being denied voting rights?

Because gay people have never been murdered in the streets and have never been denied equality?

by Anonymousreply 538October 12, 2021 9:48 PM

Considering all the straight white people in the audience applauding him he doesn't need gay people's support.

I refuse to give black people a pass when they're acting like assholes just because they feel it comes from racism. Don't act like assholes and people won't call the cops.

by Anonymousreply 539October 12, 2021 9:57 PM

R539, thank you Marjorie Taylor Green.

by Anonymousreply 540October 12, 2021 10:56 PM

Dave Chappelle is not an enemy to gay people or trans people, if you watched the show you would know that.

by Anonymousreply 541October 12, 2021 10:57 PM

Gay, black poet Saeed Jones attacks Dave Chappelle's The Closer for its trans rants: I felt like I'd just been stabbed by someone I once admired and now he was demanding that I stop bleeding

𝑳𝒊𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒍 𝒗𝒊𝒐𝒍𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆.

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by Anonymousreply 542October 12, 2021 11:57 PM

[quote]He frequently offends me and then he makes me laugh out loud. If you can't cope with him, don't watch him. He has always been a bomb thrower. "Political correctness" = humorless and self-righteous..

You're free to find Dave Chappelle one of the comedy greats, but this "if someone doesn't love the same pop culture content I like it's because they can't cope with it" BS is almost and perhaps equally as tedious as the crying offense mobs on Twitter. Dave Chappelle is now as accepted by the mainstream as its possible to get, with his sold out, celeb-attended show and the fact that everyone knows Netflix wouldn't dream of dumping him. No real "bomb thrower" has this kind of elite acceptance (Hollywood elite, general cultural elite).

by Anonymousreply 543October 13, 2021 1:40 AM

R542 Jesus Christ, those are some gums.

by Anonymousreply 544October 13, 2021 2:06 AM

R543 he's still a bomb thrower, hence this thread and the many thinkpieces. Perhaps not up to YOUR standards of bomb-throwing, but a bomb-thrower he still be.

by Anonymousreply 545October 13, 2021 2:08 AM

[quote] I wish people would say "sex" instead of "gender" -- whenever I see "gender" on a form I'm filling out, I always cross it out and write "sex" above it.

Yes! #MeToo. This is part of the trans game.

I distinctly remember maybe 8 years ago when my 14 year old niece was visiting and she and I had this discussion about how gender is NOT sex blah blah blah. That was their bait & switch. She had a number of friends who were transing and setting up GoGundMe pages for their mastectomies or "top surgery" as they like to soften what's going on. Her mother told me that she once told her she wondered if she was really a boy and her mother, Swedish and as open and liberal about sex as you can get, simply told her No you're not a boy. You're a girl. LOL! That was kinda the end of that. I hope.

Now gender has been substituted for sex in legislation all over the place. If they keep that substitution in the Equality Act I will continue to oppose it.

by Anonymousreply 546October 13, 2021 3:54 AM

Oh wow, Dave Chappelle following the very modern trend of putting ' white ' in front of any minority group and getting away with saying whatever unintelligent, dumb shit about them, disguising it as a criticism towards race and whiteness, when it's just plain ol' homophobia. How groundbreaking!

The only reason there even is any backlash is because of his transgender comments. If it was just his white gay shit, people everywhere would applaud him as totally woke.

by Anonymousreply 547October 13, 2021 5:30 AM

Hah, the trans employees aren't used to not getting their way. Twitter is now saying to "not stream anything" on Oct 20th in solidarity. Not sure that's going to hurt Netflix!

Pity that the meeting-storming "Terra" got reinstated. They're taking a "few days off" to assess the situation. They should quit, make themselves unemployed!

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by Anonymousreply 548October 13, 2021 7:26 AM

It was wussy of Netflix to rehire the tranny. And yeah, I'll call them trannies and worse, which I never did before in my life, because they continue the push to reduce women to "bodies with vaginas," et al. When they stop, I'll stop.

by Anonymousreply 549October 13, 2021 11:39 AM

R539 Some of you motherfuckers are so dumb you don't even realize when you reveal yourself to be a racist nutjob! What a dumbfuck you are!

by Anonymousreply 550October 13, 2021 1:33 PM

R548 thanks for the heads up. I now plan on streaming Netflix all day on Oct 20 even when i am not watching tv, it will be on & streaming.

by Anonymousreply 551October 13, 2021 1:38 PM

[Quote]Because gay people have never been murdered in the streets and have never been denied equality?

R538 You can (and do) cushion any blow with your Whiteness! Everything is not always about you "Karen."

I'm so tired of the White victimhood bullshit.

You motherfuckers always wanna part and parcel shit to insert yourself with WHATABOUTISMS. Everybody wants to be a fucking victim to distract from the topic at hand.

Get back to me when your relatives have been beaten, lynched, raped, murdered and enslaved for 400 years.

AND AND AND-- you STILL are forced to live with the repercussions of that as you are discriminated against in EVERY ASPECT of your life.

Don't you fucking dare compare any type of discrimination to that of Black people. The only motherfuckers that come close is the Jews for what they experienced in WWII. They can share that space.

Everybody else can FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF!!!

by Anonymousreply 552October 13, 2021 1:51 PM

^^^If anyone wanted proof that black people can be racist just read that.

by Anonymousreply 553October 13, 2021 2:24 PM

[quote]The only motherfuckers that come close is the Jews for what they experienced in WWII.

100,000 sexual minorities were killed by the Nazis, dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 554October 13, 2021 2:25 PM

Lots of poor white Poles, too, R554.

by Anonymousreply 555October 13, 2021 2:33 PM

r554, Don't tell him about the Red Terror...or the Holodomor...or the Cultural Revolution....

by Anonymousreply 556October 13, 2021 2:38 PM

R554 WTF is a sexual minority?

Were they and everyone they care about FOR GENERATIONS (with no possible means of escape) subjected to systemic oppression in every aspect of their life?

AND AND AND are you are still feeling the affects of that oppression in every aspect of your life today???

If you're White, my guess would be NO!

More WHATABOUTISM? Stop being a dumbass!

by Anonymousreply 557October 13, 2021 2:42 PM

In my day, trannies were sweet and charming oddballs. Now they're the Taliban.

by Anonymousreply 558October 13, 2021 3:24 PM

[Quote]In my day, trannies were sweet and charming oddballs. Now they're the Taliban.

R558 Are we being a tad bit melodramatic?

In your day "trannies" probably weren't demanding to be recognized as women.

Let's not pretend that is a small ask when never before in the history of the world has there been a formal movement to classify people with penises as "women."

by Anonymousreply 559October 13, 2021 4:22 PM

Find an easy target and punch down. Lazy. Does anybody really think he didn't hope this would happen?

by Anonymousreply 560October 13, 2021 4:28 PM

Again. Racial discrimination. LGBT discrimination. Female discrimination. These are all obviously distinct issues, not to restate the obvious.

I've watched his special 3 times already since all this hubris. I just feel like Chappelle didn't fully flesh out his ideas and thoughts for this routine. Something seemed off with him during it, kinda low energy and confused. It was as if he didn't feel totally confident in his jokes about reaching out to the LGBT community. I'm all for it if a hetero comedian can make good jokes about us, this just wasn't it for me.

by Anonymousreply 561October 13, 2021 4:42 PM

I love Dave and watched this special. If anyone bitching about what was said actually watched it he tells a story of a trans comic he met and became friends with. That tranny ended her own life due to negative tweets from the trans mafia. ... interesting, Dave started a scholarship for the child of his trans friend as well. Action speaks much louder than stupid words.

by Anonymousreply 562October 13, 2021 5:01 PM

Dave Chappelle's controversial The Closer Netflix special gets 96% rating from regular viewers on Rotten Tomatoes - but scores just 43% among woke critics

Here is the tranny with the fantasy of kicking in the Netflix meeting door and giving the executives a righteous lecture that would make them fall to their knees in apology and respect.

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by Anonymousreply 563October 13, 2021 5:36 PM

Picture taken from above, to try to make the eyes look bigger and the jaw smaller...check. Hair dyed blue/purple/pink/green...check. Tiny schoolgirl barrette...check. Filter trying to obscure five o'clock shadow...check.

He forgot the coy head tilt. Otherwise, this is a classic tranny head shot!

by Anonymousreply 564October 13, 2021 5:48 PM

[quote]Were they and everyone they care about FOR GENERATIONS (with no possible means of escape) subjected to systemic oppression in every aspect of their life?

YOU HAD A BLACK PRESIDENT AND HAVE A BLACK VICE PRESIDENT!

Jay-Z is a BILLIONAIRE!

You have no fucking excuses.

Stop blaming gay white men for your problems.

by Anonymousreply 565October 13, 2021 7:49 PM

I miss the Dave Chappelle from Undercover Brother.

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by Anonymousreply 566October 13, 2021 8:25 PM

R565

Because "some" Black people have had financial success despite racial oppression (which they too experienced) doesn't negate racism in American society.

I know your dumbass can't be saying that you have pegged yourself as such a victim as to be saying racism doesn't exist.... can you?

Tell me you are not that fucking stupid.

by Anonymousreply 567October 13, 2021 9:56 PM

Wanna bet Terra Field is a MAP?

by Anonymousreply 568October 13, 2021 10:03 PM

Trans people will never accept that the show was anything but transphobic because the minute you say that trans women are not really women they go ballistic. They are getting crazier by the minute because they know deep down that they don't really pass and most people are just humoring them. They are exceptionally narcissistic. I am speaking about the AGPs which are the majority of the movement.

by Anonymousreply 569October 13, 2021 11:24 PM

[quote]I know your dumbass can't be saying that you have pegged yourself as such a victim as to be saying racism doesn't exist.... can you?

You've pegged yourself such a victim that you can't accept that anti-gay bias still exists, despite a person's skin color.

by Anonymousreply 570October 13, 2021 11:45 PM

[quote] Were they and everyone they care about FOR GENERATIONS (with no possible means of escape) subjected to systemic oppression in every aspect of their life?

Yes. Gays and sexual minorities have literally been persecuted in all ages since the beginning of time, ranging from being treated like literal sex slaves, to hiding every aspect of their lives to survive, with vast documentation of its abuse, unlike Blacks who endured 400 years of abuse after the Atlantic slave trade. If you care to leave your Black Israelite bubble, let's face it you are one, you'll find minorities in Southern Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Japan, etc, enduring much harsher genocides. The Chinese government is promoting a genocide as we speak.

Not fuck you, racist cunt.

by Anonymousreply 571October 13, 2021 11:52 PM

now.

by Anonymousreply 572October 13, 2021 11:53 PM

R570 When did I ever say that? I didn't.

It is you who is continuing to try to compare and/or minimalize the struggles of African Americans due to systemic racism to try to elevate your own "victimhood."

That's not how it works.

It's not a contest.

Stand in whatever you believe your own truth is and keep Black folks out of your mouth.

It is NEVER an appropriate analogy. And every time you do that it is disrespectful to Black people.

by Anonymousreply 573October 13, 2021 11:57 PM

Gays are closer to Jews in their oppression than Blacks are. Anyone with basic history knowledge can tell you that.

by Anonymousreply 574October 13, 2021 11:57 PM

[quote]It's not a contest.

Tell Dave Chappelle that.

by Anonymousreply 575October 14, 2021 12:08 AM

R571 You are a DUMB ASS MOTHER FUCKER.

Did you not see my last post? It is not an apt comparison.

Stop the comparisons you RACIST PIECE OF SHIT!

Who the fuck do you think you are trying to minimalize the African American experience with your BULLSHIT?

The oppression you are talking about involving gays does not involve your privileged White ass TODAY.

So you have to get a different job or move to a different house. So fucking what. That is usually the extent of what happens to people in English speaking western societies which you are obviously part of.

And for the record, I never compared Jews with Black people. I am specifically talking about Holocaust survivors. They can share the space with African Americans today because they know what it feels like to have every aspect of their lives affected by discrimination. They probably still have PTSD from that.

Your ENTITLED WHITE ASS has NEVER felt that type of discrimination.

So once again, YOU CAN FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF!!!!

by Anonymousreply 576October 14, 2021 12:08 AM

^^^Racist thinks everyone here is white.

by Anonymousreply 577October 14, 2021 12:10 AM

R575

Dave never said it was a contest. You just didn't like his message because it bit you (and people like you) in the ass!

Dave said White LGBTQIA need to:

1.) Stop being racist mother fuckers.

2.) Stop devouring their own kind like they did to his trans friend. And

3.) Stop fucking with comedians.

All of those are "his" people. If you were not all caught up in your own damn feelings and trying to make everything about ME ME ME then your dumb entitled, pompous, narcissistic, selfish ass would see that!

by Anonymousreply 578October 14, 2021 12:13 AM

R577

You're behaving like a racist White Karen so you may as well be. You're racist as fuck against Black people, so who really gives a shit? LOL

by Anonymousreply 579October 14, 2021 12:15 AM

[quote] Dave said White LGBTQIA need to: 1.) Stop being racist mother fuckers. 2.) Stop devouring their own kind like they did to his trans friend. And 3.) Stop fucking with comedians.

Who the fuck is Dave fucking Chappelle to tell anyone what to do? is he some magic black man dispensing wisdom on white folk?

by Anonymousreply 580October 14, 2021 12:18 AM

[quote]You're racist as fuck against Black people

And you're racist against white people. And straight.

by Anonymousreply 581October 14, 2021 12:18 AM

R581 It is racist people like you who get mad when anyone shows love to Black people... even if the one showing the love is also a Black person. Isn't that the real reason why you feel the need to attack Chappelle.

For the record, although I don't feel Chappelle said anything inappropriate, I am not defending anything Chappelle (or any other comedian) has said but I defend his right to say it.

And I will call out racism when I see it which I see all up and through this thread. So consider yourself called out.

by Anonymousreply 582October 14, 2021 12:29 AM

[quote]It is racist people like you who get mad when anyone shows love to Black people

I have no issue with anyone showing love for black people, but I'm tired of straight people trashing gay people as if we're the biggest problem in America today. Nothing I have ever done in my life negatively effects any black persons life. Stop blaming us for your problems.

by Anonymousreply 583October 14, 2021 12:34 AM

[Quote]Nothing I have ever done in my life negatively effects any black persons life. Stop blaming us for your problems.

So you want a cookie? So people are supposed to think you are a good person? So you never said the "N" word to a Black person so you want a medal for that?

And nothing you have ever done has positively effected a Black person's life either. That is just not good enough.

How can you sit there as (obviously a non-Black person) knowing that racism exists in the world and not do a damn thing to try and ensure equality for all people?

Do you REALLY think that makes you a good person?

IF you are not a part of a solution then you are a part of the problem. YES, YOU SPECIFICALLY are the problem and yes I BLAME YOU!

Why is it that White LGBTIA can DEMAND certain behavior from Black people such as Dave Chappelle, but Black people cannot demand the same of you?

Why is it that your panties get in a knot because you cannot control this Black man? He is certainly not the first comedian to say something about LGBTQIA people.

People like you have the pitch forks out and ready to destroy him. You don't think your reaction is a bit much? You need to examine yourself as to why that is.

Try a little self-reflection.

by Anonymousreply 584October 14, 2021 12:46 AM

All of you could use some sensitivity training

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by Anonymousreply 585October 14, 2021 1:00 AM

Dave thinks that the gays make up the bulk of the SJW's that police everyone's rhetoric but that's not true. I disagree with him, but that doesn't mean I want to campaign for him to lose his career. DaBaby didn't offend me either. I know from his statements that he's ignorant about how HIV works and that he's not really educated either. I can understand how an HIV+ person might feel shitty watching it, But I shrug it off and move on with my day. The celebs who decided to condemn him and fuel the fire are opportunists. Either trying to promote themselves or win morality points to protect themselves from future backlash.

by Anonymousreply 586October 14, 2021 2:37 AM

[quote] Dave Chappelle's controversial Netflix special The Closer has scored 96 per cent positive reviews from regular viewers on Rotten Tomatoes - but just 43 per cent from woke critics, many of whom have accused Chappelle of transphobia.

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by Anonymousreply 587October 14, 2021 2:49 AM

[quote]At least Black people have shown some compassion towards LGBTQ. Also a lot of Black people happen to be Gay and Lesbian.

What UNIVERSE are you living in, Doll?

Seriously!

by Anonymousreply 588October 14, 2021 4:44 AM

R588 WTF are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 589October 14, 2021 4:47 AM

[quote]I know your dumbass can't be saying that you have pegged yourself as such a victim as to be saying racism doesn't exist.... can you?

[quote]You've pegged yourself such a victim that you can't accept that anti-gay bias still exists, despite a person's skin color.

The Oppression Olympics EXHAUSTS me.

by Anonymousreply 590October 14, 2021 12:46 PM

R590 White Victimhood is what exhausts me!

White folks whine over everything which is why nobody takes them seriously! My rights! My rights!

Not once has a White person had any of their LEGAL RIGHTS denied. They want extra rights when others don't have basic human rights.

There is no olympics, just white people whining about everything to distract from and minimalize people who are actually oppressed.

The constant onslaught of fake White victimhood, WHATABOUTISM and overall "Wolf-Crying is annoying as fuck! Enough already!

by Anonymousreply 591October 14, 2021 2:47 PM

I think it's good that Dave Chappelle is doing this. He isn't making people more transphobic or homophobic, but he's letting them be represented. Seriously, we are in more danger living in a delusional world where everybody loves us rather than reality. Remember the big upset that was 2016? It felt devastating because it was more of a reality bubble burst, rather than your side losing. Also if Netflix took down the special, these people would become more disenfranchised and would become more sour towards us as a result. So you can't really win here.

by Anonymousreply 592October 14, 2021 4:37 PM

The thing I can't stand is how you have legitimate news organizations like L.A. Times stating that Chappelle's show was filled with transphobic remarks. They aren't quoting anyone, they are directly saying his comments were "transphobic" and that's why people are upset.

Being "transphobic" apparently means "saying that trans women are biological women". They aren't biological women, but somehow it's transphobic to say so.

The other thing that's rich is that Chappelle actually hit the trans activists for bullying his trans friend to suicide, and yet that hardly ever gets mentioned in any of the thinkpieces and writeups on it.

by Anonymousreply 593October 14, 2021 6:39 PM

R592 I agree. I can't take another day like Nov. 9, 2016. We must make sure everyone understands the issues so that doesn't happen again. We cannot allow the GOP to "otherise" any parts of the Democratic Party coalition.

I also think that those trying to get Dave Chappelle canceled are missing a huge opportunity to educate the public. This is a teachable moment.

A lot of society is not where many in the trans community think they are. Even some gay and lesbian (and allies) are left scratching their heads over the trans movement.

If Bruce (now Caitlyn) Jenner is the shining example to the world of the trans movement, then it is dead.

Despite the media's praise for "her bravery," many people believe that person to either be doing this as a publicity stunt or having a bout with insanity.

Chappelle has a special on Netflix seen by millions where he has opened up a dialog about a largely unseen (AND MISUNDERSTOOD) community. He has personalized the trans movement by putting a face on it with his friend.

Part of acceptance is being seen.

The needle FINALLY moved on Gay rights when Gays became more visible (and thus relatable). Everyone now knows someone who is gay or lesbian. That's not the case for trans people. Everyone does not know a trans person.

Think about how ethnic minorities are always talking about representation. If you were to ask them 50 years ago if they liked ALL the images of them on TV they'd have said "hell no!" BUT they'd also say they're happy being seen. That eventually led to better representation.

You've got to be seen before you can be heard.

Dave opened the door to segments of America (and the world) where trans people are unseen. I don't think his set was from a mean-spirited place. But whatever critics think his motivations were, trans people are now being seen and discussed in corners they never were discussed before.

Now it's time for trans people to tell their own story. What did Dave get right? What did he get wrong? What do you agree with? What do you disagree with and why?

Canceling a comedian will only piss off his fans (which there are a lot and they cross party lines). But more importantly, it will shut down the conversation and thus no longer serve as a potential vehicle to advance the cause of trans people.

Think big picture.

by Anonymousreply 594October 14, 2021 6:48 PM

[quote]Do you REALLY think that makes you a good person?

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 595October 14, 2021 8:01 PM

I'm not sure why I should care that a criminal was killed in the streets by cops. Honestly, I don't care.

George Floyd wasn't a doctor, or lawyer, or a representative of his community doing good work to make society better for his brothers and sisters. Who fucking cares?

Black people don't even remember James Byrd Jr. and if they do, don't seem to give two shits about him. I guess for black people to riot in streets over your death you have to be a thug and a criminal.

by Anonymousreply 596October 14, 2021 8:06 PM

Who's the guy here sucking Chappelles dick? Do you work for him or are you just a fanboy?

by Anonymousreply 597October 14, 2021 8:08 PM

R595 Does a being a racist fool make you a good person? Is that the standard now?

by Anonymousreply 598October 14, 2021 8:13 PM

^^^Prove I'm racist.

by Anonymousreply 599October 14, 2021 8:36 PM

R37 Exactly. The Closer was terrific. How can you explain to brainless scolds like Roxane Gay that their humorlessness and lack of charm and wit, not to mention their assumption that they have a right to stop other people from speaking, is more offensive than anything Chapelle might say? Nothing in the show was homophobic, but Chapelle is who he is, and he's not going to fake some more-politically-correct-than-thou position to please the Roxanne Gays of the world.

by Anonymousreply 600October 14, 2021 8:50 PM
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