Ozark Season 4

I love this show so much. Such a good cast, really gripping story (though I don’t care about the kids aside from bitter Julia Garner.)

I didn't know there was a Season 4.

I'll watch because I've watched the other seasons and generally enjoyed it. Though this seems unnecessary. I remember the great Janet McTeer lawyer character got killed at the end of the last episode. Like Weeds, Marty and his wife are now going higher up the food chain.

What does Part 1 and 2 mean? Did they divide the season into two parts? I'm still going to watch, but annoyed when they drag these shows out.

I hope Laura Linney finally gets her long-deserved Emmy for this. At least she won't be up against anyone in "The Crown" (which won't start its next season until fall of 2022).

Season 4 is a 14 episode split (7 and 7), starting January 25th.

Not looking forward to this show ending, because I love it so much, especially Bateman and Linney (but ESPECIALLY Bateman 🤤). But I am looking forward to another season.

I was never a Sopranos or Breaking Bad person. I typically don’t go for intense, suspenseful, violent dramas (not because I can’t stand the intensity or the violence—quite the contrary). But god, do I love this show.

Hell, yes! Really enjoyed this show so I'm there.

Good excuse to rewatch it from season 1.

Ugh I hate the split season thing. Grace & Frankie did the same thing. What's the reasoning behind that decision?

Yes! I got into this show late, but I'm all caught up now.

R6, I'm glad you mentioned Breaking Bad. I'm curious how people think the two shows stack up against each other -- due to some obvious parallels and similarities.

wow, can't wait! I'm running out of shows to watch. what are you guys watching?

[QUOTE] Not looking forward to this show ending, because I love it so much, especially Bateman and Linney (but ESPECIALLY Bateman 🤤). But I am looking forward to another season.

It should have two more seasons.

The two series that I'm most looking forward to seeing the new seasons of are "Ozark" and "Better Call Saul."

I cannot wait for this Friday - 21 January - for Ozark Season 4

Trailer looks amazing and my TV husband Jason Bateman will be on Kimmel on Thursday discussing it 😋

And a spooky-Tenet style teaser that makes me fearful

wow, great news!

Thanks for the update!!

I love Linney's Wendy Byrde character, but let's get real, 99% of fraus would be Skyler Whites.

I love that Wendy is the anti-Skyler.

Bateman (who is effectively the show runner) assured Laura Linney he’d get the writers to develop her character. In fact, he’s made the female characters strong and fully realised.

R17, agreed. If there was one glaring weakness Breaking Bad had, it was in the writing of its female characters.

I’m rewatching the first three seasons to prepare. Well, it has been a long time.

I’m on a rewatch too. There’s so much I missed - subtle touches. I’m really impressed with Bateman’s directing too and pay attention to it.

I realize I had somehow skipped the flashback episode where Marty agrees to work for Del.

I need to watch the last season again

Ugh, Jonah saying that Mom killing uncle Ben would be like Charlotte killing him in episode one is setting up for an unpleasant showdown between them before the end of the season.

Is no one watching yet? I’m excited to see them going after the Sacklers, I liked the touch of the giant Asian vases in the CEO’s office to hit home that it’s them.

I love Ruth’s hustle.

My partner and I will start watching tonight. We are soooo excited. It’s one of our favorite shows.

I was trying to complete a series rewatch but too excited. Love this show.

Bateman appeared on Kimmel last night 😋

“You’re the first Gringo I’ve met who’s family has killed more people then mine.” says the Mexican drug cartel representative to the Sackleresque CEO.

Julia Garner is on fire this season, I felt she wasn’t given much to do last season and was kind of flat.

I'm on the third episode. So far so good. The actress who plays Maya Miller is very talented, what else has she been in?

I’m only on the second episode because I’m trying to defer gratification.

Won’t spoil but cold open on first ep upset me.

Laughing at confession in ep 2 as I used those exact lines when lying to priests as a child 😂

Also, so far, Julia Garner is really brilliant - better than last season. Laura Linney needs to be recognised for her work here - some of her absolute career best.

It's weird watching it this time around, because though I loved the first 3 seasons when I binge-watched them last year, the show's huge plot holes seem more evident than ever:

*Why do Jonah and Charlotte never seem to be at school or do any homework?

*Who the hell from a middle-class upbringing like Jonah manages to be so independent from his parents by age 14?

*Why did the creators have to make Jonah an adolescent financial and computer genius? His parents' connections with the mob strain credulity enough for this show as it is.

*Why are Marty & Wendy's rationalizations for what they do so obvious to everyone else (Novarro, Ruth, their children, Maya) but never self-evident to them?

*Why do they never just turn make a deal with the FBI to save themselves and their children and enter a witness protection program, which would be so much easier than fighting for their lives every episode with the mob? (They may have explained this in seasons before, but by now I've forgotten the answer.)

*Why is the Missouri Belle apparently a tesseract, since it is so many, many times bigger on the outside than on the inside?

*Why does Ruth seem more and more like Mary Jo Shively with each passing season? I keep expecting a cameo from Jean Smart as Charlene to say to her, "Ruth, I can't BELIEVE you just SAID that!"

On the other hand, I do give the writers a lot of credit: the best thing about the new season is they could have just forgotten all about Helen's family after she was killed last season, but instead they brought the consequences of her disappearance on both her daughter and estranged husband heavily into the show this season.

I just watched the first ep of Season 4. As always, the show doesn’t disappoint! Purposely skipping posts on here to avoid spoilers. I love everything about this show, the scenery really gets me!

The abandoned mall with the Christmas decorations still up is a brilliant set piece.

Spoiler alert......

Two main characters die in episode7

OK, I wasn’t expecting Ali Stroker to show up out of nowhere and somehow missed who she is and if they had her on before! And while she was playing a high schooler a few years ago she looked much, much older like she’s pushing 40. I’m a bit confused about her introduction at this late stage of the game?

Jason Bateman has aged like a fine wine.

R36 Calling them main characters is a stretch, longtime characters would be more fitting.

I love this show, but it really does ask you to suspend belief this season. Like, why can't Navarro just eliminate his upstart, unbalanced nephew? Why would FBI agent Maya decide to spend a few nights with her baby at the Byrds' house? Why does no one seem to care all that much about the Sheriff who disappears? Why would the CEO of a pharma company be meeting with a member of the Mexican drug cartel.?

And why does no one seem to understand that snorting heroin is different from snorting coke? No one just hoovers up endless lines of heroin, but here people snort with the ferocity of Liza and Halston in the Studio 54 basement.

Sheriff's a hot daddy.

The actor playing Noah is really good and is growing into his looks.

Bruce Davison and Richard Thomas both appeared this season. Eldergay points if you remember which 60s film they both starred in.

[quote]And why does no one seem to understand that snorting heroin is different from snorting coke?

Please clarify this. I have no experience either snorting heroin or being around people who snort heroin. What's the difference?

Is Darlene getting her own spin off? I love that bitch.

Definitely not.

[quote] The actor playing Noah is really good and is growing into his looks.

Do you mean Jonah? I don't think there's a character named Noah.

Oh yeah, whoops.

Bateman is hot but looks like he would be boring in bed.

The actors seem to have visibly aged since the last season, though the storyline takes up the next day after season 3 ends.

Jesus, I really fucking hate Wendy Byrd so much. What a manipulative bitch. I bet she gets off on all her little power games, political maneuvers and intimidations. Laura Linney is a great actress, but this character so disgusting. Darlene was basically the only one she couldn't manipulate and told that bitch to eat shit. I really don't want a happy ending for this character and I'm actively rooting for her enemies at this point.

Marty is such a wimp. I would have told that detective to get the fuck out of my house the first time he waltzed right into my home. I was waiting for him to finally explode, but he does nothing while this guy is constantly harassing his family.

Marty and Wendy are possibly the worst parents ever. Jonah is a14yo teenager and they let him walk all over them. They just let a 14yo run a money laundering business? For their archenemy? Leave the house whenever he wants and live at a motel? No problem. I knew that idiot would give Ruth the software and tell Darlene about the dead Sherrif. How about some basic parenting, rules and consequences? But Marty is only worried that the little shit won't show up for dinner.

Just started watching season 4 and I still hate Wendy Bird.

I like Wendy, they purposely set out to make her the antiSkylar from Breaking Bad and I’m here for that. The only thing I’m not sure about is if there is a kernel of truth in her missing, having feelings about her brother and regretting what she did? I don’t know if those are real emotions she can have.

Wendy Byrde is a polar opposite of the characters usually played by Laura Linney. And she's doing an amazing job playing against the type.

I like Wendy. Ruth needs to die in a grease fire, if she hadn't gotten Ben released he'd still be alive.

[quote] Is Darlene getting her own spin off? I love that bitch.

This season will provide the answer to your question.

Ruth thinks she's smarter than everyone. She's just a hillbilly with ramen noodle hair.

[quote] The actors seem to have visibly aged since the last season, though the storyline takes up the next day after season 3 ends.

What did you expect? That they would put them in cryogenic suspended animation until the new season started filming? COVID disrupted everyone's schedules.

I probably won’t come back until I’ve watched the season for fear of spoilers. I just watched all 30 episodes from the first three seasons in a week, so I’m ready to roll.

Watched all 7 episodes today. Julia Garner will get another Emmy for this, and I hope Laura Linney gets her first. I was surprised to read there will be 7 more episodes..I can’t imagine where this all going to go for 7 more episodes.

Sort of weird having John Boy playing Laura Linnea’s father, as he’s only about 13 years older than her..but I think LL is playing much younger than her actual age.

I just watched the first two episodes. Having just rewatched the first three seasons which held up well to a repeat viewing, I’m very disappointed with how this season has begun. The plot has gone from pushing the edge of reason while feeling real, to just plain absurd.

Wendy’s decision to attempt to become the most powerful politician in the Midwest NOW? The nephew’s popping up to cause mayhem. The FBI agent’s sleeping over at the Byrnes’. Jonah working for the Snells. Frank Jr. wanting to work with Darlene. Ruth in a fancy Chicago restaurant.

No. No. No.

I’m only 3 episodes into this season, but I still like Wendy. She has to have balls because her husband is so fucking weak.

The actor who plays Javi is really hot.

Also (surprisingly) hot: the actor who plays Kerry Stone, the celebrity chef, who once played Betty Draper's nebbishy brother William on "Mad Men." I had no idea he has such a tight little body.

Javi is Alfonso Herrera, who has been naked (and gay!) a lot.

One thing though: Narcan should not work that instantaneously on an OD as it did for Kerry at the casino. It takes five minutes to work if you inject it into a muscle like Ruth did.

Laura Linney should get the Emmy this season for sure. Wendy was such a goody two-shoes when the first season started (as Linney's characters often are), and Linney has made it believable that Wendy is the worst liar and manipulator on the entire show by this season.

I applaud her by not having plastic surgery or even any injections. she looks every bit her age (57). I guess she believes she'll have a better career as a major stage actress (which i always think is her true love) and as a screen character actress if she looks her actual age, as Britain's stage actresses do.

I’m also am glad she hasn’t fucked up her face with plastic surgery. She is still a pretty woman, but yes, she looks 57. And that’s fine.

Still, she will always be Mary Ann Singleton to me.

I always think it's such a huge mistake when really good actresses like Jessica Lange get lots of plastic surgery.

I used to have a crush on Bruce Davison. He aged nicely.

R57 Ruth is acutely aware that she not that smart compared to the outsiders who have come in, but it was wonderful in the scene where she asked Marty what he saw in her the first time they met and he said that she was clever. She thinks he’s being mean at first, but then realizes he has really paid her a compliment, maybe one of the first ones she ever has received. She finally feels validated and seen in a way that’s never happened before.

Charlotte grabbed baby Zeke out of a Ruth’s car before she got back in right?

[Quote]Charlotte grabbed baby Zeke out of a Ruth’s car before she got back in right?

Nah, the poor guy was still in her car when she took off. At least they only used a prop baby this season.

I loved this first part of the final season. Bateman, Linney, and Garner are still at the top of their game.

The car crash at the beginning continues to fill me with dread - a Sopranos style ending would do the show a disservice - though I’m not expecting happy ever after.

[quote]Why is the Missouri Belle apparently a tesseract, since it is so many, many times bigger on the outside than on the inside?

I think you mean the opposite -- the outside is the size of an average riverboat, the inside is the size of an IKEA.

Just finished the 7 new episodes, and I had to remind myself that these 7 episodes were PART ONE of the fourth season... because, by the end of S4 E7, I was wondering why there was a gap from where we leave the Byrdes at the end of the episode (standing in their front yard, watching Ruth speed off) and where they were at the end of S4 E1 (in the car, then in the accident).

I assume the remaining episodes (Part Two of S4, whenever those drop) will fill in that big gap.

And I agree with the previous posters who said Julia Garner was fantastic this season. She's one of the best things about this show, and (after Javi turfed Darlene and Wyatt), I was genuinely panicked that the producers had lost their minds and were going to have Ruth meet the same fate.

Also, I continue to believe that Ben isn't actually dead.

There was that moment when Wendy got the call about a body matching Ben's description having been found, and there was genuine dread in her eyes/demeanor. Then Marty nonchalantly points out that they know he's already dead... so she collects herself, then agrees with him.

I will concede that the above could just be a total fakeout by the showrunners to stoke the conspiracy theories, though!

Jonah is being an annoying little snot this season. I have no problem with Wendy being a ballbuster as Marty is apparently the most permissive door-mat parent of all time.

I have a hard time believing Ruth and Jonah's grief re: Ben. They got so close to him for how long? All of two months?

R75 Why do you think that about Ben?

The theory that Ben is alive began last season, and was hotly debated in the S3 thread. We (the audience) never actually saw Ben’s dead body, and neither did Marty. It was *a* body wrapped in plastic, which was then cremated. Wendy could easily have paid off the hitman and helped her brother go into hiding (and back on meds).

And Wendy’s reaction to that phone call this season *seems* to support that theory. Plus, all those “missing” posters featuring his face — it felt (to me) like the showrunners are keeping his face fresh in the minds of viewers as a precursor to the eventual reveal that he’s still alive.

Were you in the Glenn Miller search party??

Ben is a classic misdirect. Wendy’s extended breakdown after ordering the hit simply would not have happened if she’d arranged for Ben to escape to safety. The Missing posters of Ben had their desired effect - to destabilise Wendy. She’s compartmentalised Ben’s death by creating a new mythology of him as a troubled drug addict who is simply missing but her odd reaction to Marty where she confirmed the body “wasn’t Ben” hinted at the schism in her psyche.

These episodes were excellent- but I don’t want Part 2 to be a car wreck and fade to black …sigh.

[Quote]Wendy could easily have paid off the hitman and helped her brother go into hiding (and back on meds).

Wendy couldn't handle him. How would someone else be able to help him and stop him from getting a cell phone and contacting Ruth or the police? She should have drugged him and thrown him into a bunker until he agreed to take his meds and then pay someone to watch him 24/7. But that's a full time job and there're no guarantees. How would he help the storyline if he suddenly reappears?

R80 is exactly right. Why the hell would Wendy go on that drunken breakdown if she paid off the hitman to hide her brother? The theory makes no sense.

And it’s a damn shame Laura Linney didn’t get an Emmy for last season.

Agree Laura Linney has been criminally overlooked for her work in Ozark…so far. I hope she, Bateman and Garner are recognised.

[quote]Why the hell would Wendy go on that drunken breakdown if she paid off the hitman to hide her brother?

Because she knew she'd never be able to see him or speak to him again, and that we would ostensibly have to be "dead" to her forever from that moment onward? And she'd have to spend the rest of her life with the people she loves (Marty, the kids, etc.) believing that she had her own brother killed?

Because she realized in that moment how profoundly horrific her family's lives had become as a result of her (and Marty's) decisions, and finally released all the anguish and tension she'd been carrying?

Plenty of possible reasons she could have had a breakdown, and saying goodbye to her brother was simply the last straw. It's not like Wendy was the portrait of stability up to that point.

As I say, it's entirely possible the showrunners are just leaving that tiny ounce of doubt out there to throw off viewers -- and kudos to them! -- but it's not a complete impossibility.

*he would

Oh my Betty Draper's brother has neck tattoos and is sniffing dope!

After the car crash you can see Charlotte's body lying on the roof of the car.

Love Bateman, so fuckable. Shows uneven, sometim d it’s great then it’s too over the top unbelievable and ridiculous. The son is FUG.

I think the kids are dead.

The season was satisfying enough once you get over the shock of the absurd number of resets they pulled. Immediately after he kills Helen, we get a kindler, gentler Navarro, with his nephew taking over the role of the violent hothead. Charlotte goes from suing for emancipation to obedient and eager worker bee, while Jonah goes from wanting to sit on Daddy’s knee to himself demanding family separation. (Granted, in his case, the murder of Ben at least offers an explanation.). Ruth goes from breaking with the Byrnes because they let Frank Jr. live, to kind of making goo-goo eyes at him. And working with the Byrdes again. The Republican fixer/lawyer is so enamored of Wendy that he dumps his long-time patron for her.

With no set up (or justification), the FBI just lets the Byrdes walk away without even being arrested. “Thanks for putting us in touch with Navarro—here’s a “Get Out of Jail Free” card” without even an arrest. The ill-gotten fruits of your crimes? Keep it all. And even better—the FBI “takes over” everything the Byrdes were doing for the cartel so the Byrdes are not only free from the law, they’re free from the cartel, so it’s “let’s move to Chicago and be philanthropists and political king makers” never mind the murders and drug dealing and money laundering.

Doesn’t ring the least bit true

RIP Darlene and Wyatt—you crazy kids.

I'm watching from the beginning. I never got into the show before, but now I'm halfway through season two and I just love it!!

Just as Dataloungers always show via their predictions how much want to turn "Succession" into "Dynasty," they for some reason also want to turn this show into "The Sun Also Sets." Never in a million years will I understand why this is.

Never in a million years would the writers of this show bring back Ben alive and have it be a cheesy 80s soap opera misdirect. That's just not in keeping with the tone of this show.

R87 must take another look. I wonder if it’s further proof that this is the ultimate ending - at least one or all die just as they’re getting away, and this season is how we get there. That could explain the disappointment and dread I’m feeling.

I assume we will have to wait at least half a year to figure out what happens in the second half of the season.

I’m probably way off, but I thought the car crash is a red herring/dream sequence that Marty dreamt before initially “delivering” Omar to the FBI.

R94 maybe not, Bateman hinted in that Kimmel interview that the second half release date would be soon.

R95 I was in the middle of a series rewatch that was unfinished so I went back to finish off Season 3 and the car crash does have some elements of hyper reality of previous dream sequences.

They’re nostalgic for the Blue Cat, joking about Jonah leaving etc. But that sort of giddy relief could just be a result of finally seeing freedom. Then reality hits - literally - you can never outrun your crimes.

Laura Linney doesn’t need surgery because she’s a gifted actress.

I think the car crash is going to come early in Season 4 part 2, and much of the rest of the season is going to be about the fall out and recovery from it.

Laura Linney is a powerhouse this season. Jason Bateman is Jason Bateman.

Are they splitting the season to have sections eligible for two different award seasons?

[quote] The son is FUG.

He's a nice looking kid. You want fug, watch Stranger Things.

[quote]RIP Darlene and Wyatt—you crazy kids.

It seemed weirdly fitting that Darlene died exactly the way so many of HER victims had died -- promptly and remorselessly shot mid-sentence.

^and in her living room.

How sad for Three when Ruth was melting down over having no family left/nobody else. Poor kid is an afterthought. And also what type of hillbilly name is Three?

Like the preppy name Trey.

It's explained that he's named for the number of Dale Earnhardt's car.

R105 I thought it was Trip, as in triple?

Poor Ruth probably wished she never met the Byrds. They really wiped out her entire family with their crime syndicate while only Ben died on their side. Father, 2 uncles, cousin, boyfriend. Brutal.

Ruth killed her uncles. She can't pin that on the Byrds.

Ben would still be alive if he hadn't met Ruth. He stopped taking his meds so he could fuck her which put him in a psych ward. Then idiot Ruth gets him released.

[quote] [R105] I thought it was Trip, as in triple?

Actually they call him "Three" on the show.

I’ve met Trips and Treys.

She did it to save Marty, R109.

I thought they looked younger this year. Like they'd done a little laser treatment, but no botox or other nerve or muscle deadening bullshit

The second half of Season 4 is out in early May per Julia Garner. They need to realize it by May to qualify for the Emmys. Fantastic season so far.

Her original plan was to kill Marty. How is that his fault?

[Quote]Ruth killed her uncles. She can't pin that on the Byrds.

They would all still be alive if Ruth never met them at the motel. Even her psycho Dad would only get into drunk fist fights at the bar and steal boat parts without the Byrdes.

The only reason Ruth got involved with the Byrds at all is because she was a thieving little cunt who helped herself to their money!

Drugs are bad, M’kay?

We binged the first 7 episodes. Fantastic. LL's character seems a bit snarkier this season which is fine

Lol, they call the Del Amo Fashion Center in Torrance a “luxury shopping center,” but I just remember it being a dump and mainstream mall.

^^^ Sorry, wrong thread, but I was surprised to find out Ozark is filmed in Georgia.

Richard Thomas looked far too young to be Laura Linney's father. Her older brother, yes, but not her father.

Question for Missourians: do the locals at Lake of the Ozarks speak with such hick drawls, a la Ruth and Darlene?

And does the show accurately reflect its setting?

Darlene is my gurl.

Missouri natives don't have hillbilly accents. Sometimes I have to laugh when a character says they're going to run up to KC and they'll be right back. KC is 3.5 hours away.

R122, Atlanta did a really good job of standing in for Chicago too.

Yes, They do seem to travel to KC and SJ at Game of Thrones Season 7 speeds.

R126, they actually shot in Chicago for the Chicago scenes.

It would be fitting if they all died in the crash. They spent so much time bargaining and strategizing, trying to keep their family alive but the Byrds can't talk their way out of this.

r9 Breaking Bad was better quality, but I enjoy this show too.

r43 I read the book Endless Summer (it was my older brother's) and I always wanted to see the film. But I can't find it anywhere.

r60 I assume Laura Linney is playing about 10 years younger, although she looks every bit of her age of 57

Playing ten years younger IS the DL motto, isn't it? I doubt you're a spring chicken yourself.

I will forever love Bateman

Jason certainly aged better than Justine.

Laura Linney and Julia Garner are consistently amazing. Many shows proclaim that they are about strong female characters, but this is the real deal. I'm sort of fascinated with Garner. When she's not in character playing Ruth, she's this sophisticated, pre-Raphaelite beauty. I think she's currently a face of Prada or Louis Vuitton, I forgot which one.

Justine needs a good ironing. Jason needs to bend over my ironing board.

Garner could play a young Madonna in a biopic.

Jason would indeed make a good bottom.

Didn't some DLer claim to hook up with Jason Bateman.

I'm sure it's been said multiple times, but I hate Wendy so much. I want her to die violently. First part of season 4 was good, if not as good as the others, but the last episode was disappointing IMO.

I'm curious who will inherit Darlene' s business and estate. Wyatt and Darlene were legally married, but unfortunately died at the same time. Has Darlene any relatives or could Ruth somehow end up with the drug empire? I doubt they only got married for custody reasons. I hope the producers had bigger plans.

Did they actually get married. Wyatt told Ruth that they were going to get married, but then they were killed.

Wait, they did get married.

Davison and Thomas starred in Last Summer.

Jason Bateman, is that you? He always seems mildly petulant in all his roles, like he's irritated he can't find his freshly laundered Madras shorts.

You should see The Gift where he plays a psycho.

Wasn't that Keanu?

Same title, different movie.

....

The Gift is a great movie.

Well it was OTT but I binged. You need to suspend disbelief.

I love this show - it saved me during my first bout with COVID-19 in 2020 - really helped me escape my own illness and anxiety. Just tested positive again today, so pissed off, but it might be time for a rewatch. Thanks Jason Bateman.

[quote] Garner could play a young Madonna in a biopic.

She was supposedly going to do just that in the biopic Madonna herself is developing, but thankfully that seems to gone nowhere and Madge now wants Florence Pugh to play her.

Any biopic with Madonna overseeing is going to be shit so it’s best that Garner stays far away.

Also I hated Darlene and wanted her to die a far more agonizing death.

^I agree that was a bit underwhelming. She was such an evil cunt she deserved better. He should have tortured her a bit and make sure she knew it was over for her AND Wyatt. Who will get her casino percentages and estate now? Bitch was loaded.

[quote]Has Darlene any relatives or could Ruth somehow end up with the drug empire?

This is an interesting plot mystery! We could get some random Snell relative coming forth to claim their stake (and complicate everything)... OR... if Ruth is considered Wyatt's next of kin (although, wouldn't it be Three?), she could theoretically take over the empire.

At this point, though, I doubt that's a job Ruth wants. At all.

[quote] but I hate Wendy so much. I

She has become villainous, but she makes the moves necessary to survive another day at this point. I was totally on her side re: Jonah. Send his ass to juvey!

That detective Mel is annoying as hell — wonder how he’s going to figure in the remainder of the season.

He’s really DETERMINED to get that document signed.

The entire season feels formulaic and like a retread. That said, I've really enjoyed it so far. The overall plot -- whether the Byrds can survive and stay out of jail or killed -- isn't really that riveting. It's all the individual interactions that I enjoy. The crazy Mexican nephew is such a waste of character space.

I just need a signature!

The actress who plays Ruth is in a new Netflix movie about that grifter Anna Delvaney.

SPOILERS

Agree that Darlene's demise was anti-climactic, but it was also fitting. She routinely blew people to smithereens impulsively, just because they annoyed her. Given how violent the OZARK world is, it's amazing that she lasted as long as they did.

That said, the actress was fantastic, and if the show hadn't been wrapping up, it would have been a shame to lose her.

So, who will the Big Bad be for the final 7 episodes? Crazy Mexican Nephew doesn't really have the heft or complexity to fill that role.

R183 Apparently the nephew’s mother is going to emerge on the scene for part two and be a terror to reckon with.

I wish the "Laura Linney Better Get An EMMY This Time!" troll would give it a fucking rest already.

Yeah, she's likable and she's good. But she's not exactly Katherine Hepburn or Bette Davis. Let it go already.

LOL! R161 just made me spit-laugh. haha!

R165 Calm your tits, hun She deserves an Emmy just for allowing those close-up shots that make her look 70.

[quote] Apparently the nephew’s mother is going to emerge on the scene for part two and be a terror to reckon with.

Oh God, Meryl Streep's joining the cast?

What exactly IS the deal with the private eye? It makes no sense that he would be doggedly pursuing every angle of a mystery if he just needed a damned signature. He'd have either forged it or moved on to an easier case - they just don't have one. I suspect he'll try to blackmail the Byrds and we all know how that will end.

And speaking of things that don't make sense, why is that child Darlene stole still an infant? Wasn't that kid born in either 2017 or 2018??

The private eye annoys me every time I see him on screen. Fucking nosy asshole is in everyone’s business. Mexican nephew annoys me too. He isn’t even that tough. I hope that Ruth kills both of them.

[quote] . The son is FUG.

He's a little long in the tooth now but he looks plenty fine to me.

I had to think a minute about who the nephew's mother is. Must be the sister of Omar (not the tent maker). Oh brother.

I thought the signature-seeking was just a ruse to keep interloping to gain more info.

Here’s about the actress who plays the mother/sister, she along with Ali Stroker, according to IMDB are in all the remaining episodes.

Ali Stroker was giving Ruth seeds, they didn't explain that

She was going to give them to Wyatt and Darlene but that didn't work out.

R175 In a recap video I learned that Ruth was getting the seeds as a wedding present for Wyatt and Darlene, but I completely missed that watching it.

Was Ali Stroker Arnold's friend Kathy on Diff'rent Strokes?

I kept hoping that annoying-as-fuck insurance investigator would start badgering Darlene, and she’d handle him the way she typically handled nuisances!

Sorry, for some reason spell check added “insurance” to my post above!

I watched episodes 3-6 last night and 7 this morning. This show definitely puts its hooks into you. SPOILERS ...

I wish they hadn't been so fuzzy about what went down with Special Agent Miller. I guess we're supposed to understand that she was upset with her bosses for changing the terms of the Navarro deal without looping her in, and so she just went ahead and arrested him? But wouldn't that kind of insubordination be a career killer? I feel like 1-2 lines of dialogue could have made this all more clear but I suppose it's going to come into play in the last batch of episodes. That scene with the annoying PI calling her would suggest they'll collaborate somehow ...

My guess is that Ruth will kill Javi with her shotgun.

I can't decide what to make of the flash forward to the car accident. It feels like it has to be some kind of misdirection, but at the same time this doesn't seem like the type of show that would use a dream sequence in that fashion. They did seem to refer to developments that occurred after the last season of episode 7, so maybe the final episodes just take place over a couple of days and that really will be the last scene? The idea being that for all their maneuvering, the Byrdes can't escape fate. Yet I also think there has to be more to it than that ...

I still think Ben is alive.

Maybe Jonah is the only one to survive the car crash and carries on the family tradition

Navarro's nephew has been hot in other vehicles.

[quote] I still think Ben is alive.

The only Ben who needs to be alive on TV is on Days of Our Lives. Don't bring that bag from the dead shit to Ozark.

What was on Darlene's ipod?

R186, shot through the heart and she was to blame..

I feel like Darlene would approve of her death. Not the timing, but the manner. She's the last person who would want to be terminally ill and whither away in a hospital with people caring for her.

Plus she understands impulsive killing for good or petty reasons.

Poor Wyatt -- just collateral damage. And what an unceremonious way to end. I hope boinking Darlene was worth it..

But I Luh-vah her. She's my family.

R131, that wizened hillbilly cooch was too hot to resist.

[quote]Oh God, Meryl Streep's joining the cast?

Are you kidding? A gringa playing a Mexican in this day and age???

She'll be played by Charo.

As long as it's not Sofia Vergera. Maybe the cook from Orange is the New Black?

Paz de la Huerta? (I wish)

Catherine Zeta Jones in an Emmy winning turn.

A rant. I apologize in advance. The weird hair-smelling chick who gave Ruth the seeds- that entire scene was just bizarre, it didn't fit and was completely unnecessary. I get that Jason Bateman, despite being an iconic and classist, asshole seems above any and all critique. His show has been excellent. But how have there not been any reviews of how absurd it's become, particularly with these final episodes? They seem to be throwing the whole bowl of shit at it to see what sticks. The dynamic of them being forced into dealing with a major drug lord was compelling; and then being caught between the drug lord and the local hillbilly heroin cartel made it even more nuanced, unique, and compelling. But, NOW the evil nephew of the drug lord? He's shown up and basically become a serial killer and nobody is going to pick up a phone and rat him out? They all seem to be flush with hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash, but neither Marty, the newly-evil Wendy, Darlene, Ruth, et al. will pick up the phone and call one of their long list of contacts to come and shoot the evil nephew in the head, even when knowing that the uncle was being threatened by him? Marty's going to continue to cower without having enough of it? The once brash, ballsy, cunning pock-faced power lawyer can somehow work miracles with any intel anybody needs, but he can't have some Mexican murderer knocked off on American soil, in the backwoods of the Ozarks?!? The Byrd family suddenly has a "foundation" that everybody is just going along with and that's formed, seemingly, overnight after barely a mention of the idea in a previous episode? The FBI doesn't even seem interested in sniffing around it? An FBI agent who just hands them the ACTIVE investigation file on a Federal judge and his son.. handed over by the same FBI agent who is proven to be so righteous, she risked her career and had a drug king pin arrested right after her superiors had made a major, years-long deal with him?! (And I haven't even mentioned the FBI agent going to the Byrd's house for a sleepover!)

The pharma chick is suddenly lunching with Wendy like they're best girls; she's brilliant, powerful, and going to turn her company around, but it only takes a sit-down with Marty for her to agree to source raw materials from a heroin cartel she hasn't vetted because it will save the company approximately $400,000 per load? She risks all of that, to save $400-$450,000 in materials cost? Any business-minded person would realize her cost for raw base materials is a quarterly write-off/deduction for the company. Somebody didn't do their due diligence in researching and framing that storyline. Ruth shows up at some weird lady's house who smells her hair. We have no context for who the woman is. All indications are that she isn't going to be a primary character and, even if she were, we all know what happens to these shows when they begin trying to insert new primary characters into the last few episodes. LOST is one that comes to mind.

We're to accept that Marty's great knowledge of handling money is synonymous not only with database design & development, AND coding, but he's an all-around Rain Man at anything tech AND his 17 y.o. kid has also built a one of its kind international virtual money-laundering system, along with the high-speed access, GUI development and apparently no bugs to deal with.... and Marty can walk in without ever seeing it, bang on the keyboard and within 20 seconds, reverse transfers, determine root cause and lean back in a chair and say "It's over. All done". But HE CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE A SWEETHEART DEAL WITH THE FBI?!? Who is, simultaneously offering him a job?!?! OMG I need a drink!

[quote]I hope boinking Darlene was worth it.

I can confirm: it was not.

I really enjoyed the early seasons when they primarily had to deal with the local hillbillies. I do not care all that much about politics, foundations, casino licenses or the Mexican drug cartel. They should have dragged out the local money laundering a little bit longer and just add the FBI, cartel and Kansas City mafia from time to time. The cartel was more interesting when it was in the background and creeps like Del or Helen only showed up to pressure the Byrdes. Also, the Navarro cartel is this big international organization and suddenly the Byrdes run the whole business and Marty is this mastermind only a year after moving to the Ozarks? Yeah right. I would think crime organizations like the Navarro cartel would diversify their money laundering activities a bit more.

Sadly, the show already entered "Jump the Shark" territory last season when they focused too much on the drug cartel and all that political stuff.

I generally agree with R200. I thought the series really could have ended last season with the shooting of Helen and maybe a brief epilogue. I'm enjoying this season because I like the show and the characters, but I don't think it's actually that great. It's bloated and doesn't have the same spark as previous seasons. That said, I don't think it's awful, it's still entertaining. I look forward to the last seven episodes.

Yep…they are just trying to do too much.

Oh Wyatt—everyone knows you were a virgin until you got that Hillbilly potty tang.

^Pooty, dammit

At least they aren't milking Ozark like they did Shameless. That once awesome show went on for about 6 seasons too long. I don't get all the problems a lot of people are having with the final season of Ozark. My biggest beef is how they split the final season into two parts. Isn't it odd how Netflix announced membership price increases the same time they released the final season of their signature series? They know people will wait to cancel their membership until the second part is released (May I heard?).

Agree re Shameless. House of Cards should have ended before the Spacey debacle allowed the final season to happen. I know it’s over the top but I really like Ozark.

As well as keeping subscriptions and $ I think the delay in part 2 release may be partly due to how much they had to do in post-production and COVID delays in filming. Those blue filters aren’t going to apply themselves 😉

It’s entertainment- enjoy or go do something else.

What a lame argument.

Which?

It’s entertainment, so don’t criticize.

Not exactly what I said and my tone isn’t intended to be critical. Carry on.

Great, we have a thread monitor.

Oh wait, should I have said that. Was it okay to post that when I did? Fuck, I hope I didn't fuck up.

Excuse me a minute...(Darlene fetching a shot gun in the kitchen).

r196 they offered me a part on the new SATC but I didn't want to work with all those older women dahlink.

LOL R212!!!

R206 - Can you expand on the "blue filters" comment? I've noticed that filtering but any idea why it's used? Have you noticed they use it constantly? Filtering is only to elude to a season or a perceived mood, right? Or is it used for other purposes?

R215 it was very much an aesthetic choice in the first season to set the menacing mood - Jason Bateman directed four of the first season (and had originally planned to direct all if I recall correctly) and he very much set the tone. Desaturation of colours also helps lend a gritty realism to the proceedings.

It was definitely a criticism aimed at the show - Bateman is well aware and does jokingly allude to it now. But it is noticeable how the colour palette changes and lightens up throughout the episodes and seasons.

I confess it took me three tries to watch the first episode because it was so dark and I wasn’t in the mood - third time had me hooked.

About that cookie jar.

Oops

Poor Wyatt. He seemed like a good kid.

He should have gone to Mizzou.

Wyatt looked like a trans Martha Plimpton.

The Jonah actor's new chicklet veneers are distracting. He can't close his mouth.

It happens.

RE: the blue filters.

Gone Girl had similar filters and was also set in Missouri.

Coincidence? Or does it flesh out a true sense of the area? I've only been to Missouri once (Jefferson City) years ago and it was brief, so I never got a chance to develop a feel for the place.

They say the light is different in Missouri, like Italy. I have no interest in finding out if it’s true or not.

I personally love the blue filter. It sets such an aura of mystery & intrigue.

Darlene had real good pussy.

Just started S4, but loved when Helen got her head blown off at the end of S3. Bitch deserved it. Wendy next for killing her brother.

Just finished episode 7, I completely agree with the posters above that it was a letdown.

I hated the vague way the Navarro bust was shown — it really could have been clarified better

And bizarre scene that followed between Ruth and the non sequitur-spouting seed lady —what the HELL?!

The seed thing will likely pay off in the second half. Ruth is definitely planning something.

[quote] Agree that Darlene's demise was anti-climactic, but it was also fitting. She routinely blew people to smithereens impulsively, just because they annoyed her. Given how violent the OZARK world is, it's amazing that she lasted as long as they did.

This is the things that drives me nuts about this show. All those people out to get to Darlene and she's just walking around without protection, selling honey at a street fair for god's sake. Anyone could just walk up and shoot her. God knows she would. The same goes for Javi. If he’s that much of a thorn in Omar's side, I refuse to believe he wouldn’t have found a way to have him meet an accident. He had a thousand opportunities to do so.

Everything that happens on this show happens at the narrative convenience of the writers' agendas, not the characters personalities and actions. It’s sheer laziness. Write characters that can spin out the story you want, or deal with the story they hand you. The ability to do that is what separates The Sopranos, Breaking Bad and The Wire from even an above average Netflix show like Ozark.

Omar wanted out. Javi was part of his exit strategy.

As I mentioned up-thread, SO much of the last few episodes were bizarre. However..

Is it possible they crow-barred the seed lady into the most recent episode because she's actually Ruth's mother? Taking into account the article that R218 linked for us; Ruth's the only one who truly has nothing, thus her connection to the Goat cookie jar and Ben's ashes. I think they're looking to wrap up the series with Ruth being the last one standing, or at least with a peaceful ending by finding out her mother is alive and ran off early on for whatever reason. Seed lady seeks redemption from Ruth and the chance to build a relationship, and it ends with Ruth staying put, with the adorable "3" of course, and deciding to work on developing a relationship with her mother. Ruth gets her somewhat happy ending, if melancholy, and ends up less cash-rich but retaining her little Motel to build upon.

Or, I could just be idiotically incorrect.

The actress is somewhat well-known (I’ve seen her on Broadway twice). Perhaps they cut her role, (or cut it from the first 7 episodes) but didn’t want to cut her out entirely because she has fans and publicized her appearance. Or something.

I thinking that maybe Ali’s part was to start in episode 8, but they felt that they needed to introduce her before the 1/2 season split happened and shoehorned that scene into the episode?

That's Ruth's cousin Chuck. She supposedly will be a major character in part 2. I hope they cut her parts or somebody kills her early because I loathe that actress. She also appeared in Only Murders in the Building.

[quote] I'm glad you mentioned Breaking Bad. I'm curious how people think the two shows stack up against each other -- due to some obvious parallels and similarities.

For one thing, both shows started with lighthearted humor and tongue-in-cheek levity and progressively got darker and cruelly murderous.

The murder spree in Ozark, though very impacting at first, now has reached ridiculous levels. How can all the intervening authorities (FBI, local sheriffs, P.I) not put two and two together with so many people mysteriously disappearing around the Byrds? How many times did we have to see bodies disposed or cremated? One does have to suspend disbelief with this. Still a fun show.

[quote] The seed thing will likely pay off in the second half. Ruth is definitely planning something.

Or is she planting something? Tee hee

She also spoke to Jonah about her mother and I believe it’s the first time anything about her maternal family has been addressed on the show. I’d assume it’ll lead to something in the second half.

Ozark started out light hearted? Didn’t Marty’s business partner and Wendy’s lover get killed by the cartel in episode one?

Ruth for the Final Girl

Marty’s partner, his girlfriend, a trucker and his father were killed in episode one. Wendy’s lover was later.

R231 There are so many holes in the plot... that I just kind of chuckle "oh, that's absurd.." and then go with it. But the idea that Omar, the head of a multi-national many-billions-dollar cartel (after his uncle surrendered the crown to him) drives around Missouri alone, in a car alone, goes to a rival drug producer (Darlene's house), breaks in by himself, shoots her alone... more than begs credibility. And that he'd do the shooting himself... he's got 100s of soldiers to take of this, he'd never be near the crime.

But I digress...

I may be wrong about her lover since they are in Ozark by the end of the pilot..

It’s an oddly high body count for a lighthearted start either way.

[quote] It’s an oddly high body count for a lighthearted start either way.

The first murders were almost like camp black humor, didn’t somebody land on the sidewalk or street out of the blue, scaring the shit out of the leads? Am I confusing Ozark with Call on Me or whatever that other dark comedy was?

Not at all like camp. People were shot in the head. The body was Wendy’s lover and it landed in front of Marty who was going to find her. I suppose some might consider it dark humor. I found it pretty shocking.

I really overall am disappointed by this season. They should have worked harder to address all of the plot gaps — that was a lazy choice and it’s ruined some of the magic.

And the absurdity is across the board, both in characters, plot etc. Having said all that, I have no choice but to finish this season all the way to the end.

[quote] The body was Wendy’s lover and it landed in front of Marty who was going to find her.

Hysterical. The irony alone. I remembered LOLing

[quote] I really overall am disappointed by this season. They should have worked harder to address all of the plot gaps — that was a lazy choice and it’s ruined some of the magic.

I am with you R247. This series has had its absurd elements from the very beginning, starting with Marty's magical abilities on the computer, but this season has really been a mess in terms of plotting and characterization. Yet I must say I was never really bored and always enjoy the cast, the setting and the cinematography.

I just want Wendy to get her head blown off. She doesn’t deserve redemption.

R250 Don’t you think having one of her children murdered would be a better fate and punishment for her? I think Jonah dies by his sister’s hand, kind of a Greek tragedy fate/redemption is what’s going to happen.

But we get the tease of the car crash at the beginning of the season. Wouldn't it make more sense that both of her kids are killed and Wendy gets out unscathed? She's a total Walter White - she's convinced herself she's doing this for her family, her children, but she's not, she gets off on the thrill of it. I agree that her losing them would be the real punishment.

[Quote]But the idea that Omar, the head of a multi-national many-billions-dollar cartel (after his uncle surrendered the crown to him) drives around Missouri alone, in a car alone, goes to a rival drug producer (Darlene's house), breaks in by himself, shoots her alone... more than begs credibility.

I think you meant Javi. But yes, this is ridiculous. No back up and he's currently the cartel's No 1? It was also ridiculous that Omar could just jetset in out of the United States to have a little chat with the FBI or the Byrds. The US government does not keep track of his private jet? A international drug cartel boss can just land on American soil whenever he wants and visit the head of his money laundering business? I'm not familiar with Mexican cartels but did El Chapo also have a frequent flyer card to the US?

I really hated the blue filter which is why it took me forever to watch episode 1 but I'm glad I got over it. It's still annoying but there's so many other things that I enjoy about the look of the show.

I like how the kids are playing a major role this season.

I don’t get the sense Wendy is on some “do it for the kids” trip. She just wants power and she knows it.

Of course Wendy wants power. She was emulating Helen. And her daughter is now emulating her. I don’t want the kids to die, but I suppose it would fit with the notion of “at what cost, Wendy”. Ultimately, would she care, though. Her selfishness was established from the start.

Was Ruth Wyatt's next of kin, maybe she will inherit the poppy farm. The parents die in the accident, kids take over the business.

I want Wendy to die she is fucking evil

Yes, I think they whole idea behind Darlene marrying Wyatt is that now Ruth inherits the poppy farm.

You can bet it will be Ruth who kills Javi, and savagely.

No. Three inherits the poppy farm.

Actually, since the authorities don’t know who died first, they will assume the couple died at the same time in which case the property will pass to whomever is named in Darlene’s will, if she has one, or to her next of kin. If she has no living relatives, it will go to the State of Missouri.

Been watching Prom Night have we, R251?

No, *I* inherit the poppy farm.

Zeke’ll probably be the lone survivor.

R261, medical examiners are indeed able to pinpoint time of death. With them dying that close apart however, perhaps it wouldn't be so easy. But probate courts and other courts are filled every day with that type of issue and there are no doubt protocols and precedents for it. IF the show was going that route, however, the 'Wyatt dies last, Ruth gets the farm' scenario, seems like they would have been more nuanced with that scene; maybe Wyatt running down the drive and Javi killing him there, thus making it easier to determine who was shot/died last. I did notice that Darlene got a bullet right in the heart and Wyatt in his head. So one would assume both suffered immediate death, making any estate claims only a matter of who was shot first. Investigators, blood spatter experts and medical examiners can often easily determine the answer to that question. But with only a few episodes left, AND the fact this increasingly messy show is adding two new characters who will need establishment as well as storylines, it seems like a tall order, and a stretch for a detailed depiction of Ruth assuming power over the poppy farm and doing anything with it. They just don't seem to have the bandwidth to do it, unless they throw all care and professionalism out the window and speed through the storylines in the name of wrapping things up. I still think Ruth's gonna learn the seed lady is her mom.

R263 & R264 - Zeke was never officially adopted or established as Darlene's child. She may have played him off as a relative but I doubt she'd gotten to the point of paperwork and putting the "adoption" on the country records. Does anybody remember how brutally she came about that baby? She was a fucking monster.

R260 - I don't think 3 is Wyatt's brother. 3 is the son of the sexy ginge bear who was having the affair with the FBI guy, both of them now dead. I think Wyatt is the son of a third Langmore brother? I mean, I'm pretty sure anyway. I don't think those boys were brothers. Plus, 3 would probably give the farm to Ruth. She's like a mother to him. (he's too cute. Hopefully he doesn't meet a horrible end. He's a good boy.)

One more comment: Has anyone else found the union mob guy's sone kind of hot? He looks weird in the face, something odd about him. But there is also something I find white hot sexy about that guy, and I like the tense but sweet energy he and Ruth have developed between them. The mob guy was a hot daddy too. Darlene should have at least offered him a blow jow before she blew him.... away. ;-D

The seed lady is not Ruth's mom! Ruth clearly stated she was 8 when her mom died. I'm pretty sure she would remember her own mother.

Babies get mixed up at the hospital, you know.

Okay R268! Calm down hunty. It's just an off-the-cuff musing. Sheesh!

I think with the blood splatters, and there were a lot of them, they will be able to tell who died first.

How? They both sat still on the sofa and got shot. If Wyatt had gotten up after Darlene was shot, there’d be a void where he was sitting, but he just sat there.

Fourth paragraph down talks about overlapping blood splatters and that it may reveal timing.

I feel completely justified in saying this when others are making the connection too.

I think Netflix should give Three his own wacky sitcom spin-off when this show is finally done. With a laugh track, please.

R265 - the police could just watch the show - duh!

They don’t have Netflix.

Any homosex?

R278 There was the first season, I don’t think there’s been any prominent M/M since then.

For your erudition—a Missouri Law Review Note on Missouri’s adoption of the Uniform Simultaneous Death Act.

If The Act it is deemed to apply, the farm would be split 50/50 between Wyatt’s heir (presumably Three) and any relatives of Darleen. However, if the blood spatter evidence is deemed to be sufficient to establish that Darleen died first, Three gets it all. I hope that interim Sheriff preserved the crime scene long enough to do this spatter analysis, though it’s hard to imagine that she would have foreseen the significance of who died first before taking the bodies to the morgue.

How exciting!

Welcome to the thrilling world of the law of Trusts and Estates!

Except the law of fantasy TV has a bigger say, R282, so whatever R280 posted is probably moot.

In the dept of mysterious plot points:

The seed lady? Who was she? Why did Ruth go to see her and get the seeds (that she seemed uninterested in)? Will we ever know?

Was it last season Wendy broke into their old house and put stuff in the milk. She is a total bitch.

I'm glad at least they didn't force a romance with the teacher.

Shit wrong thread

So the biggest producers and sellers of heroin in the area (so big that even Mexican cartel druglord is threatened by them) have no security and anyone can just drive to their house and get inside to shot them? Seems realistic.

R254 What blue filter? What the hell are you talking about?

Have you not watched 1 episode of this show!? It's always cloudy and dreary and blue.

I know Darlene is impulsive but when she shot the mob boss how did she know that he didn't have someone waiting outside? A driver?

Some of us enjoy a nice blue filter.

R272 has never, ever seen/read any true crime story. Of course they can tell who died first. Or, at least who was SHOT first. It's science, but no longer rocket science R272. Not saying the show will go down that rabbit hole but, are you kidding? Of course they'd be easily able to determine that Wyatt was shot/died last.

[/quote]I know Darlene is impulsive but when she shot the mob boss how did she know that he didn't have someone waiting outside? A driver?

When she dipped into the pantry for that four seconds, let's just assume she glanced at the security camera monitor while quietly cocking that always-loaded shotgun. Darlene was impulsive but cunning. Remember how she killed the strip club owner in the first episode? And later on her husband? Bitch wasn't stupid, she was a stealthy pit viper. That bitch would have scared the fuck outta me. She already looked like a witch and had that raspy female hillbilly voice that I grew up hearing. You never wanna tie-up with a weathered southern woman with a voice like that. They'll kill ya dead!

Re: the point R288 made about security, what actually happened to all the heavies working for the Snells? They used to man the gates and flank the house. I know Darlene's husband kill her favorite of the guys to appease the Cartel, but there were still several guys there. They even showed a scene where Ruth and Wyatt go grab a shovel in the same barn where guys were previously seen bagging the heroine. Apparently Darlene didn't see the need for much security, thinking people would stay away by intimidation alone. I realized when the mob boss busted in that apparently nobody was manning the front gates.

[qote]Was it last season Wendy broke into their old house and put stuff in the milk. She is a total bitch.

Wait, what did Wendy put in the milk of the family whose house she broke into? I don't recall that

Oops, I stand corrected, Three is indeed Wyatt's younger brother. Not sure why I thought he was a cousin.

[quote]Ruth clearly stated she was 8 when her mom died.

I'm not R265, but the seed lady could definitely still be Ruth's mom. She could easily have given Ruth (as a baby) to another woman to raise.

So, the woman Ruth *knew* as her mother might not have been her birth mother. That woman died, Ruth thinks she's all alone in the world... but maybe not. Remember when the seed lady smelled Ruth's hair? Would a friend of the family do something like that? Maybe. Maybe only a mother would.

Given alllll the other outrageous plot points in this series, the above is not at all absurd.

I love R298

Food coloring. In a prior episode she said that as a kid she would break into homes, take a beer from the fridge and put food coloring in the milk.

I think you guys arguing over who died first put more thought into this season that the writers did.

The actress who plays Ruth (Julia Garner) on The Tonight Show talking about her accent for the new Netflix movie

Ruth: Well, FUUUCK YOU! (Shot gun in hand)

I loved this first half of the last season.

The best part was the symbolism of that set piece of the mall with Christmas decorations. It was a brilliant and timely choice.

I also thought it was cool that Robin Wright directed the last 2 episodes. She did a great job.

Robin Wright couldn’t save the last season of her own premium cable show, so I hope she doesn’t go and fuck this one up out of spite.

You're not alone R267.

The screaming rant by Ruth about if you’re going to stop me, you’re going have to kill me is all over the TikTok memes.

The actress who plays Ruth may be playing Madonna. I bet she would do well.

Ruth

Did the second half drop?

Not yet r311 but definitely before eom May for Emmy consideration

Very exciting - Part 2 drops on 29 April.

[quote] Very exciting - Part 2 drops on 29 April.

Link?

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Wow, Laura Linney is getting broad across the beam.

Her face is haggard too, but not as bad as Justin's sister Justine.

At least I don't look like Shirley McClaine, you cunt!

Is this the laslast season?

I like blue filters

I can't believe what happened to Darlene!! She was my fav!!

I do love how Wendy has become more and more a Lady Macbeth and how they wouldnt be alive now without her smarts

This show is way too convoluted. Jason Bateman should stick to snarky comedy.

R323, it's not that hard to follow...except for, maybe, you.

I wouldn’t say it’s convoluted as much as it’s simply jumped the shark with too many murders. At this point, any amateur sleuth or sheriff could have put two and two together.,

[quote] At this point, any amateur sleuth or sheriff could have put two and two together.,

But the sheriff was killed...the replacement sheriff does seem rather suspicious of what's going on though

^^ And the previous sheriff was on the take.

[quote] But the sheriff was killed...

As was 3/4 of the supporting cast. C’mon, get a clue!

The rest of the season is available.

*Spoilers ahead*

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I guess we were right that Ruth would inherit Darlene's estate. The last episodes seemed rushed. Would have loved a better Ruth/Marty/Wendy/cartel lady showdown and seen more of Ruth's transformation from hillbilly to fucking rich hillbilly and less of Wendy and her political drama. Why did they bring back Rachel? She needed a better storyline. Did Tuck get his job back? Would have loved to see Ruth's finished lake house. They were all hillbillies, but that lot was a prime location.

Favorite characters died, assholes survived and can probably continue being ruthless assholes. Plus a Sopranos ending rip off (kinda).

Marty is probably the biggest door mat in TV history. I would have left that evil narcissistic cunt years ago.

Removing the (smart) lady sherrif and replacing her with this corrupt sherrif 2.0 was weird and anticlimactic. Why did Ruth visit him during the storm and confess and why would Nelson go after Rachel? (I guess Three does not live there and no one care about him lol).

What happened to Zeke? No one cared about him. Why did they introduce Ruth's friend (the blonde lady) in part 1 and really never followed up on that? She just returned the baby and that was it?

Who will inherit Ruth's estate now? Is Three a fucking rich teenager now? Will Rachel take care of him and the estate or will the Byrds screw them all over and ruin their lives like they always do?

Poor Three is the last surviving Langmore now.

I really loved this show throughout.

SPOILER

Was devastated at Ruth’s death but it was utterly inevitable.

Wish Jason Bateman had resisted the urge to rip off the Sopranos ending, although arguably he did it better.

There were quite a few weird plot holes in the final season which I have to guess were cut for time/cohesion.

Moral of the story: you can be a cheat, liar or murderer no matter what social class or side of the law you come from..

And Renegade Detectives are always the heroes

SPOILER

R331 how was it a ripoff of that? The ending is pretty clear.

To quote Camilla….”I’ll slit you from cunt to chin.”

Katrina Lenk, who played Clare Shaw, is currently on Broadway in “Company’”. I may have to meet her at the stage door and let her know I will never forgive her for giving up Ruth.

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I guess there’s no “confirmation” of Ruth’s death. I’d like to think in the follow-up movie, she’s really alive and blows off Marty’s and Wendy’s heads. I know there’s no movie… but in my head she survives.

R335, it would be great if she lived.....they can base an entire series around her character.

It's so weird to me some of you wanted a happy ending where Ruth survives to enjoy her money, and Wendy is killed. That would have been so untrue to the tone and the themes of the series.

R337, how would it be "untrue to the tone" and "theme of the series" when the tone and theme was set around Ruth and Marty?

Ruth has always been filler sideshow, dear R338

It was set around Marty and Wendy, not Marty and Ruth.

And the whole point of the show is that when people become corrupted, they prosper, and the more they prosper, the more they become corrupted.

if the show was "set around" Ruth, she would have been up for Best Actress, not Best Supporting Actress.

It was set around Marty and Ruth. Wendy could have been killed off and nobody would give a shit.

[quote] It was set around Marty and Ruth.

Repeating your taking point does not make it somehow true, Kellyanne.

I expected Three to show up with a shotgun just in time to safe her.

I guess i have watched too many Hollywood movies.

It was set around Marty and Ruth R343. Yup.

Season 4, Part 2 -- every episode began with a parental warning, indicating that there would be nudity. I kept hoping that we would finally get to see Jason Bateman naked, or one of the other cuties. No nudity whatsoever, not even the tired titty bar. What's up with that?

You see Jason's ass in the first season.

I love Wendy. Mary is a wimp so his survival is immaterial. This was *the* show about strong women.

I love Wendy too. Yeah, she was a cunt but she got shit DONE. Ruth was always too emotional. She was clever but she wasn't smart (going off half cocked and killing the head of a drug cartel when everybody warned her not to). Her death was the logical conclusion.

At least we got to see Ben again.

This is a a shitty picture that NPR uses since it gives away a big reveal about what happened with the accident.

They’ve set it up so that there could be a series sequel or even a movie, having already defined replacement characters for the body count:

Ruth >> Rachel

Wyatt/Darlene >> The Jesus Freaks

Omar >> His sister

Jonah the psycho kid >> the adopted baby

Casino >> Foundation

Jason Bateman in charge of a Mexican drug cartel would have been a great plotline…on Arrested Development. Here, well, not so much.

Fuck Wendy. That bitch needed her head blown off. She got her brother killed.

[quote]I expected Three to show up with a shotgun just in time to safe her.

I thought the same thing, but with Rachel doing it (to complete her "I can't believe I killed someone" arc).

I hadn’t realized that Rachel and Ruth were such good friends.

I love that the lawyer’s daughter was like “Nope. Drop it.”

Why was there so much time spent on Sam being baptized?

How did they all survive the car accident? I was half-expecting everything after it to be some dream sequence. There’s a shot immediately after, of some sunlit bird flying over the lake. I was like “whose soul is that?”

I know this is late and she's unpopular here, but I'm glad Wendy Byrde survived. Bitch was hardcore.

She doesn’t survive though, right?

Omar told Camilla that Wendy Byrde told him Javi was dead. Wendy called Javi to come to the office and Javi called his mother and told her about that call before Ruth killed him. Camilla has to know Claire was lying about the Byrdes not being involved. Camilla’s henchmen didn’t appear to be at Ruth’s place when she killed her. I am assuming he was at the Byrde’s and ran into the PI so decided to hang back until that drama played out. And since it did….

[quote] Fuck Wendy.

The DNC could use some more Wendy Byrdes pulling strings behind the scenes...

R358, good points! I'd like to think that she survived, but you're probably right, Camilla's crosshairs were on her by that point.

What they did to Ruth was un-FUCKING-forgivable. She was about the only likable character!