Rosie O'Donnell: There's one person who's responsible, more than anyone, for Trump happening

She's totally right. It was always funny to me when Dummy whined about NBC News being mean to him, because without NBC, he'd be in the poorhouse.

Not Howard Stern? Really?? He’s been on his show more than 50 times.

Stern played a role, but a smaller role, I think. His listeners were already the sort of iconoclastic people who would go a different way just to do it, or out of spite.

Not exactly. Fox News is more responsible because they put him on every day Obama was on pushing his racist birther movement and made him a political commentator who was on every day. People forget he ran before 2016 and failed miserably. He was the host of the apprentice then too. Fox really made him look like a conservative expert. Where Burnett is complicit is the tapes he has on Trump being racist.

Completely agree

Rosie is correct. The Apprentice was the perfect vehicle for Trump. During its early seasons, it was extremely watchable and popular with families across the nation, especially in the south and midwest. Trump seemed a well meaning, likable, knowledgeable boss. He was also portrayed as very, very wealthy with a celebrity high life and business sense so good it was worth billions. Viewers ate it up and thought he was that guy, larger than life and a successful business man who wasn't afraid to call it like it is and who had heart. Boy, did he fool the world with that show. It was well produced and very popular with democrats and republicans.

Mark Burnett…you should have voted for Hillary!!

What's responsible for our cultural slide into the toilet? THAT'S the question.

Rosie isn't perfect but she was right about 2 major disasters of our time, trump and Iraq. And was given nothing but grief for it by the same media now pretending that they were always a part of " The Resistance". I would love to see a documentary diving into the media's trump collusion, a sort of me too -esque naming and shaming of every major pundit involved. They could start with Joe and Mika and go on from there.

[quote]Stern played a role, but a smaller role, I think. His listeners were already the sort of iconoclastic people who would go a different way just to do it, or out of spite.

Howard Stern and Mark Burnett are very good friends.

Martha Stewart said in one of her shows (I think it was one of the Joan Rivers episode) that she was supposed to take over Trump's place in The Apprentice and that she was to use the "You're fired!" line on him during the taping. But Trump later remained in the show.

I liked the Apprentice. And didn't Trump mount some earlier aborted presidential bid as a liberal NYC Republican which got nowhere?

Rosie cannot open her mouth without it looking like a grimace.

Nah, it was Obama who brought that man into Presidential contendership. He elevated Trump into an equal by releasing his birth certificate. Obama never should have done that. That, and the 2011 Corespondents Dinner where Obama mocked Trump.

I agree in part. Burnett produced the show, and he clearly is a Trump fan. He should be despised by all. The Apprentice revived Trump's dying empire and infused it with hundreds of millions when he couldn't get a loan from any bank.

But the money did not come from Burnett. It came from NBC. Burnett created the show. NBC bought the show. NBC paid all that money to Trump.

And it didn't stop there. During the last election cycle, NBC News programmed a live Trump town hall to compete with Biden's live town hall on another network, despite complaints from NBC's own on-air employees. Biden's approval ratings were rising just then, and NBC attempted to restore Trump's confidence by giving him a competing town hall on three of its networks while Biden was on one network, so that Trump's almost guaranteed higher ratings would give him something to brag about. It didn't work, but NBC tried.

Who are the executives at NBC who paid for The Apprentice? They are even more to blame than Mark Burnett is.

Agree with r9. Joe Scarborough and the Mika Virus are as culpable anyone.

Trump was just acting on The Apprentice. They gave him a few zingers before the cameras rolled. He clearly has no business sense.

How in the hell would Mark Burnett know that Trump would eventually run for president and win? He was just producing some TV reality show, not orchestrating a grand scheme to make Trump president. I love Rosie, but she is lashing out at the wrong person.

The real villains are cable news and the NYT which did promote Trump once he was running for president by giving him endless coverage like he was Elvis.

What politics is Mark Burnett, though? Is he not a Democrat? If not, there’s your answer.

r18 exactly and apparently Burnett and his wife Roman Downey are democrats. But multiple producers on The apprentice had said there was probably hours of tape of Trump being racist on camera that Burnett refused to release.

Stern also refused to release his Trump tapes.

[quote]exactly and apparently Burnett and his wife Roman Downey are democrats.

Link.

Nah - it was an entertainment show. Trump always loved publicity and the limelight and - it was an entertaining show.

Now - the NEWS NETWORKS - including CNN - made Trump happen by covering every little fart or comment he made in 2015/2016. It was disgusting how much free press he received over Clinton.

It was disgusting - but it got them ratings.

I agree with everyone on this one. There are many people responsible but also Obama. Had he not been president, Trump likely would never have happened. He almost didn't and without the resentment of a black president, he would have been a footnote.

Another person I blame. Judge Judy. American became conditioned to believe that people in authority should belittle, berate and insult.

[quote] I am no Rosie fan, but I think she is completely right.

Absolutely. Same here. She’s right. Burnett should be in jail. No extradition.

He's a LIAH!

An' do ya know what happens to LIAHS? DO YA???

That’s when my brother started idolizing Trump and, I’m ashamed to say, he still does today. It all goes back to The Apprentice.

Surprised she didn’t go after Howard Stern. He used to have Trump on all the time. Back in the 90s, Howard even asked him “when are you going to run for President, Donald?”

She is right. That is why I refuse to watch any of his shows. He created the idiot so fuck him!

MSNBC also put him on all the time on Morning Joe. CNN carried his speeches live while ignoring all the other candidates.

Trump was specifically triggered by Obama ridiculing him at the White House Correspondents Dinner.

Barnett has protected Trump by not releasing the Trump racist comments, but I don’t think he has anything to do with Trump becoming President.

Great. Another fucking Trump thread.

R13- That's because her smile is "fake"- Its not genuine. When you genuinely smile you use all of your facial muscles. She literally opens her mouth to to expose her teeth. You can read articles about this stuff. I sense she is far more depressed than people get.

That being said, I tend to agree with most things she says! Especially this. She nails it.

Can’t they subpoena the tapes burnet has?

She’s incomplete. She fails to mention her liberal friend, Howard Stern. Who said homosexuality could be cured, ot was a choice, gay sex is disgusting and the equivalent of a garbage can, his doctor could cure homosexuals but only if they really wanted to be cured. He had a giant Rosie O’Donnell jellybean jar in his studio, made fun of her sexuality, just like Letterman, but… he votes the “right” way and all is forgiven. Which is typical of gays. And horrifying.

Everyone who agrees with her is so wrong. They guy was doing his job as a TV producer, how was he supposed to know this was going to lead into a serious political campaign? There were a lot of people to blame, but not just one. I'd blame Mark Zuckerberg, cable news execs, or Steve Bannon before this guy. I'd also blame the Republican party/Fox News for mentally conditioning the people who would become his voters for years.

R31, I will always have room for another Trump Hate thread.

[quote] It was always funny to me when Dummy whined about NBC News being mean to him, because without NBC, he'd be in the poorhouse.

It's a very common move by him, trying to establish that the GOP and McConnell / Twitter / Fox News / need him (and his followers) more than he needs them. Obviously the smart people see right through it. But then he puts on this show for his followers.

R34- I think if we knew the HALF of what our friends, families, colleagues, celebrities, etc REALLY thought of gay people we would not even want to get out of bed in the morning.

You have some valid points though!

Burnett is protecting Trump. Case closed.

R30 The Apprentice does, according to NYT reporting.

Trump's businesses were in a nosedive before he got the show. According to the NYT's lengthy investigation of his finances, Trump was headed toward bankruptcy and shuttering most of his properties—and no banks would loan him money because he was a proven business failure.

NBC rehabilitated him in two ways: First, it presented him as a business genius just when he was becoming widely known as the opposite. Everything he invested his money into failed, but on The Apprentice, he was shown to be a financial and marketing genius, the ultimate boss. Second, over more than a decade, NBC paid Trump hundreds of millions of dollars, which saved his properties, which also saved his reputation and got him more loans from Deutsche Bank and brokered deals with foreign investors based on the false reputation.

According to the reporting, he made money with some of his vanity businesses—Trump steaks, etc.—that were tie-ins to the show, but instead of investing more in those things, he bought more hotels and golf courses and sank all the hundreds of millions NBC had paid him.

Since NBC saved him once, their reporting goes, he decided that a run for president as a Hail Mary might once again add perceived legitimacy as a business mogul from the press a presidential run would guarantee. It worked. He ran to save his properties from shuttering, and he had learned from The Apprentice that being a media star makes cash flow without obligation to pay it back.

And let's not forget the Democratic Party for thinking Hillary could be President. If there were a legit, male Democratic nominee, we wouldn't be discussing the disastrous consequences of the Trump Presidency.

[quote] They guy was doing his job as a TV producer, how was he supposed to know this was going to lead into a serious political campaign?

Does Rosie say that he knew what Trump would do? No, she blames him for putting him in a position where he could do what he did. And he knew that Trump was a shameless, sociopath grifter who would use his new fame for evil, but Burnett didn't care.

I never watched The Apprentice but saw the commercials and that was more than enough for me.

I watched The Celebrity Apprentice seasons like the one with Cyndi Lauper, because I love her.

White privilege is what got fatso the big chair, not one single person. Just a bunch of enablers:

That is abundantly clear from the election of Trump, the nominee of the conservative white island of the Republican Party. It did not matter to a majority of white Americans that this is the same party under which only 3 million jobs were created during the eight years of George W. Bush, compared with the 23 million jobs in the prior eight years of Democrat President Bill Clinton, according to The Wall Street Journal, or the nearly 11 million jobs created during the subsequent eight years of Obama, according to the PolitiFact.

It did not matter that under Obama the unemployment rate fell to 4.9 percent from the 10 percent he inherited from Bush. It did not matter that Obama’s Affordable Care Act insured millions more Americans that under Bush. It did not matter that many of Obama’s policies put money in the pockets of the working class, such as dramatically raising the federal salary threshold to collect overtime pay, or the Lilly Ledbetter Act for fair pay based on gender.

Since none of that mattered, all of Trump’s rhetoric about everything in America being a “disaster” was a smokescreen for the consolidation of crude white power. The majority of white Americans, a century and a half after the end of slavery, still spectacularly prefer economic uncertainty in exchange for returning black people to their place and now sending brown immigrants and Muslims “back home.”

Early in the Trump candidacy last year, I wrote in The Boston Globe that his “hateful nonsense, meant for white people who still think the country is theirs, is a death rattle for the most crude forms of white privilege.” I was hoping it was a death rattle for the snake, not for whom it struck.

R30, exactly. CNN started that shit TWO YEARS before the election. They were always dropping whatever they were doing to 'go live' to Trump speaking in a barn somewhere and they would fois gras that bullshit every hour of every day. Fast forward to 2017, 2018, 2019 and Erin Burnett, Don Lemon and his brother Chris Cuomo, are feigning outrage and/or tears every night. Well fuck off with that shit, whores, you helped crown him! .

[quote] There are many people responsible but also Obama.

This is such freeper logic and it never fails to amuse me. It's like all those comments about how Obama allegedly made race relations worse. Obama didn't make Trump happen, it was people like Susan Sarandon, Bernie fanatics and "Hillary is a feminazi" idiots that did. A sizeable chunk of Bernie supporters ended up voting for Trump on election day according to exit polls. That's not Obama's fault.

The media should apologize to Rosie for her treatment during the Trump feud and for speaking out against the war. Fuck apologizing to that useless whore Britney Spears.

Foie^*

Plenty of people, foreign agents (Vladimir Putin), press (American Media Inc. buying people's silence to sweep Trump scandals under the carpet while demonizing Hillary) and religious zealots are to blame for Trump's victory.

Burnett made Trump a Reality TV "star". Everybody in NY and Atlantic City knew what a crook Trump was even before he became Reality TV famous, and sure enough, the world found out as well. Same as with GWB, it was well established that he ran all the companies, he was set up to run, into the ground, but the Right Wing Media loved this Bush guy regular people could have a beer with. Trump operated on a similar premise to be for the little people and Drain The Swamp and Make America Great Again. Just for the regular folk.

The real issue is the media manipulation of the regular mainstream which has been conditioned to consume shit and believe the nonsense media outlets like FOX News shit in the mouths of their viewers who eagerly swallow.

People deserve better, but they don't believe so themselves. They rather live in fear and hate than question authority figures like Fox News and Trump.

Well, if Burnett gave us Trump, who the fuck is responsible for giving us O'Donnell?

The Repugs do this all time. They got perennial loser Pence a radio show and his political career took off. They have a rapt audience of Angry Old White Men out there in Radioland.

No. The field was freshly plowed and waiting for any Trump-type fucker. It just happened to be Trump.

That field was plowed and lovingly cared for during the economic collapse that happened as Obama took office. Obama and my fellow imbecile Democrats were the ones that made sure all was well for a Trump individual or Trump himself to position himself to win.

As millions lost their homes, jobs, and the economy was wrecked, the Obama administration did virtually nothing as millions saw their life's work collapse. The pitiful response of mortgage help was just that. Millions were made angry and were willing to vote for Trump. Now we have a tight-wing loving nation. So far right that more than half want to split the nation up.

Only Jimmy Carter was more of an ineffectual moron that laid out the welcome mat for drastic change to the right in the nation. So Obama was the architect, the others they just helped.

Trump will run again in 2024. Trump will win in 2024. We Democrats never learn. this time after 2024 we will not have to or have the chance.

R51, I would say people do NOT deserve better. That old adage is true--"you get the government you deserve." Ditto with media representation. People want their news to be entertainment rather than educational. If they didn't, there would be millions more Americans reading the stuff posted on AP or Foreign Affairs.

r55, people fear change. It's a very basic fear in a great deal of people. Doing or being better? That leads to change. And the conservatives made it their number one mantra that change is always bad. And to people who fear change that makes perfect sense.

[Bold] SHE'S CORRECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are four people who are responsible for super charging trump over time. Mark Burnett is only one of them. The others are Roy Cohn who taught Trump how and why to lie and litigate, Jeffrey Zucker who was head of NBC during the apprentice and is now head of CNN, and Vince McMahon who taught Trump kayfabe which is narrative structure of professional wrestling which Trump has used to play the World like a fiddle.

R51 People want the news as it is presented. That's why cable news evolved to be the oppositional drama machine it became. Old nightly news did include plenty of pro-USA propaganda, but it was limited in time to a half hour a day and it generally presented headlines to inform people and left it at that.

CNN had to fill 24 hours. It could have been responsible and done coverage of science news, environmental news, medical/health news, the arts, etc. It did not do that because it is a money machine and that means it needs high ratings. So it added commentary to almost exclusively political coverage, plus sports, and people do not want to watch panels of people agree with one another. That is not dynamic. And so it created argumentative panels to get people riled up and talking.

Fox News took that model to an even more irresponsible level by "reporting" fiction and scaring people with it.

Local news is not much better. It, too, gives people what people prove they want by tuning in to watch. The stories follow the ratings, and that's why in local news, "if it bleeds, it leads" is the mantra. People actually want gruesome footage and descriptions of the most violent crimes against the most vulnerable people. Those stories get the highest ratings. It's the public who have bloodlust.

And this has also been proven by so many podcasts being created to report grotesque and disturbing murders and turning real-life serial killers into antiheroes. These podcasts often do well despite an ocean of other, fascinating non-violent options.

[quote] As millions lost their homes, jobs, and the economy was wrecked, the Obama administration did virtually nothing as millions saw their life's work collaps

You are living in an alternate universe. Seek help.

R60, Democratic Underground refugee

R60, I obviously have that poster blocked, as I didn’t see that anyone say that in the thread (and it gets the award for stupidest comment on the internet today). You’re smart to block the imbecile.

R62, you're probably right. This is what the idiot posted (all blame on Obama):

[quote] That field was plowed and lovingly cared for during the economic collapse that happened as Obama took office. Obama and my fellow imbecile Democrats were the ones that made sure all was well for a Trump individual or Trump himself to position himself to win. As millions lost their homes, jobs, and the economy was wrecked, the Obama administration did virtually nothing as millions saw their life's work collapse. The pitiful response of mortgage help was just that. Millions were made angry and were willing to vote for Trump. Now we have a tight-wing loving nation. So far right that more than half want to split the nation up.

For R60 and is fellow morons.

Americans need to stop blaming TV and Facebook for telling us how to think and live. The people responsible are the people who voted for him, period. That's why bitches today think when they become a reality TV star they are like God or something. NO. That is not real life.

The Apprentice was a freaking reality show. They could've developed the show around any number of aging American executives and it would've taken off because it involved a cast being put under high pressure in American capitalist environment, and even more so when celebrities got involved.

Also, for the history challenged from The Democratic Underground.

Yup r63, block the imbecile.

I kind of got into it with an older woman I work with over Trump. She was a big fan of The Apprentice and used to tell me all the time to watch it so we could talk about it. I told her Trump is a monster megalomaniac and I wasn't going to watch his show, and she told me he may be a bad boss but he is a great businessman and I could learn some lessons by watching. She watched Celebrity Apprentice, which had no lessons as far as I ever saw.

Flash forward to 2015. She had some doubts about him. She's black and she didn't like what he said about Mexican people and decided he is racist. I reminded her that I never liked him when she used to tell me to watch The Apprentice—and she yelled at me and swore she never watched that show because she can't stand the man.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

R68, I think many of us were in tune re what a buffoon Dump was, from way back in the 80s and Spy Magazine. But I would guess the average person wouldn’t know at all. However, after Dump talked about Mexican rapists, everyone should have realized he was an evil, stupid asshole.

r9, Rosie's also right to question the twin towers and building 7 falling oh so perfectly in their own footprints.

R69 I was born in 1978 and I knew just from the Golden Girls and Designing Women that Trump is an egomaniacal asshole and the butt of everyone's jokes.

The New Yorker had an in depth piece on Burnett and Trump awhile back, interesting read.

Obama’s biggest concerns were serving his donors. We need to get big money out of politics. Fuck the GOP and Fuck Democrats!!

How ridiculous to blame any one person or show for Trump. Trump was the result of socio-political history unspooling in such a way that there was a space for him to rise and sure, all those others contributed to it, but to blame one person for him is so absurd. It's the same with anything not just presidents.

r73, when Bitch McConnell says he is going to block everything you do, and he DOES, who do you expect Obama to pay attention to?

Pity Obama didn't do a direct appointment of Garland and let the SCOTUS, at the time, decide his seating.

Burnett is one slimy little fucker. He tried to get Putin to star in a reality show, and when some Russian bankers wanted to get to Trump they used Burnett as a go-between. I swear there was an article somewhere about how Burnett came home from Russia and that's when he called Trump to do the Apprentice but I can't find anything right now.

Er75, ummmm how about not spending all his time serving his billionaire donors and golfing? He was a shitty President no better than Bush or Clinton

I voted for him (twice!), but as the lens of history focuses ever clearer, I do tend to think Obama is/was overrated.

He is proving himself to be more of an egomaniac/celebrity than I realized.

His self-serving 60th birthday party amid the Delta Covidpalooza, did nothing to endear me to him further. The controversy and insistence on his super costly library (that treads precariously close to environmental degradation), further cements this.

Now in hindsight, his tenure in the WH where he cozied up to big banks, drone-killed many, and continued more of Bush’s policies that I ever felt comfortable with, makes his presidency come across as tepid when compared to Biden.

Perhaps it’s because Obama was youthful, rather inexperienced, and more concerned about his longer post-prez legacy than that of the actual country he was elected to serve. He seems more interested in being the rockstar celebrity than statesman. Apparently he loved holding court - and salons - during his education (in Chicago and Boston) and subtly encouraged groupies amongst students. Some things do not change.

It will be interesting to see what his legacy pans out to be in the ensuing decades. If he continues on in the Covid Birthday Party Extravaganza (while the rest of the country was challenged medically and financially!), it should be interesting.

Also, because I am now not fawning over Obama, let’s be clear that Trump is an abomination. He is the country’s idiot Mussolini and my hope is that history reveals him to be the complete ignoramus, thief, and democide president that will live in the halls of infamy.

I agree with a lot of that, R78. I also resent that he signed the Monsanto protection act and that he authorized unconstitutional investigation into journalists' phone records.

But he also gave us the ACA, and that is a benefit to the whole country—even those who resent it on conservative principle—and he deserves singular credit for it. No other politician today would have done it the way he did it. Clinton would not have. And SCOTUS will not overturn it. That's a huge legacy.

I also think he did a good job saving us from a depression, but the bailouts dug a deep hole and I am not savvy enough to know if it did more harm than good.

Following Bush, Obama inspired people and made us confident that we're not a country of dumb assholes. (Oops...)

I don't think he was a bad president at all. He was consequential. I do think he did some fucked up things and I do resent that some people think he is beyond criticism because of his first black president status. It's dehumanizing in my opinion to pretend he was a saint because he is half black. He is an exceptional person who accomplished a lot and has some flaws.

[quote]Surprised she didn’t go after Howard Stern. He used to have Trump on all the time. Back in the 90s, Howard even asked him “when are you going to run for President, Donald?”

It’s amazing how he always seems to get a pass. Rosie is probably too much of a pussy to call him out since he called her out in the 90’s for bitching about guns even though she was a spokesperson for Kmart (which sold guns).

We got Trump because white people, have apparently, lost their ever loving minds. You got some who think that a bunch of uppity blacks and browns have taken all the fun out of being white and are desperately trying to hold on to something that is not really being threatened. If you're white in America, it's still a pretty damned good place to be.

Then you have the group of white people who think they have to correct every wrong their ancestors ever committed. And while they're doing all that, and playing white savior who gets the blame for it? Black and brown people.

Trump was a reaction to a country that likes its change slow, to a bunch of white fear, and an unlikeable opposing candidate.

I don't blame Mark Burnett or Howard Stern or any other single person for Trump. Look in the mirror and that's who you should blame.

And for those of you coming for Obama, you have no fucking idea what it's like to a black person or the first black person in a space that had previously been lily white.

He votes “correctly”, R80. That’s why.

The ACA was a gift to the health insurance industry first and foremost.

If Stern were not a Jewish elite he would have been fired long ago.

No, Burnett and Roma Downey are not Democrats. That's a truly stupid statement.

Downey is particular is known for her turn to evangelical religion after her Touched By An Angel years. Both are conservative Repugs.

I am white, but I think it's a littlemore complicated than that.

A lot of white people have lost their minds. White evangelicals were already mindless. White Republicans were already mindless. Obama being elected made some white people feel threatened. My grandmother, who I never knew to be racist, told me just before she died, right after Obama was elected, that "he's going to give all the jobs to the blacks!" She apparently had a latent fear. I thought it was a crazy thing to say and didn't have any idea many other people thought similarly.

So Obama came in, people who were already racist got riled up, people with latent racist fears were on edge, and conservatives encouraged all fears and anxieties based in racism. That had the effect of pushing liberal people to be more outspoken against racism. Then mobile phone cameras made all of us see the abuses against black people and that made decent people join outspoken cries for equality, which put even more pressure on racists to defend themselves, and forces like these have just driven us farther apart, making formerly subtle sentiments all consuming personal passions.

It didn't have to go this way, but also, this is the best way to drive us toward a system of greater equality.

Langston Hughes ended his poem "Harlem" ("What happens to a dream deferred?") with "or does it explode?" for a reason. Those deferred dreams have withered and rotted and everything else for too long and now it's an explosion. It was inevitable.

In a way, to me—again, I am just some white guy—I'm surprised that black Americans waited for white people to become so aggressively hostile toward them again before forcefully pushing back. It's long overdue, and it's a terrible thing to live through but it is the only way to deal with this pervasive injustice. It was never going to just go away because it's true that people who have power do not yield it willingly.

[quote]No, Burnett and Roma Downey are not Democrats. That's a truly stupid statement. Downey is particular is known for her turn to evangelical religion after her Touched By An Angel years. Both are conservative Repugs.

This is why Rosie goes after him but not Stern. Gays have no shame. They’re pathetic. And hypocrites.

Clearly Obama brought a lot of hatred, anxieties, etc. to the surface. It wasn't him personally, but the idea of him. It could have been any black president. It could have been Denzel Washington and it would not have mattered.

Of course it goes far back, back before Reagan. I think the fact that so many live in suburbia plays a big role in our national divide. In many ways, it's American Apartheid. Things can happen to black folks that never affect, happen to or impact whites and vice versa.

I eat piles of shit. Mm, mmmm!

For me it was his sympathy for “Isil” over 100 shot up gay people, R88.

Nobody in the real world cares about Obama’s (or anyone’s for that matter) skin color. You all consume too much media.

Isil? What utter horseshit

[quote] Nobody in the real world cares about Obama’s (or anyone’s for that matter) skin color.

Oh, the bigots, conservatives, and other racist assholes do care. But they think they are so darn clever with their dog whistle rhetoric and then going "Oh, it's those Liberals who drag race into the discussion, that didn't even cross our minds! *smirk*"

Where is this "real world" where nobody cares about skin color?

R94, R91 is full of shit. Conservatives/Republicans ABSOLITELY cared. In hindsight, it's almost quaint. Back then, the media was "concerned" about Michelle Obama's toned-arms. Just thinking of the prostitute that came afterwards makes me laugh.

Doesn’t Trump have all these loans that are due soon? How is he staying afloat financially? That PAC can’t pay his debts.

And why hasn’t he been indicted or at least billed for all the millions he owes the IRS? It’s maddening that he is a common crook but has not been charged with a single crime!

R95, No, they really didn’t care. How many conservatives or republicans do you actually know? The lame stream media conditioned you to think any criticism of the Obama’s or the policies was based on race.

It wasn’t.

Btw, I remember the focus on Michelle’s arms differently than you. I remember people in media going overboard praising MO as a great beauty with beautiful and stunning arms. It was like they were trying to mass brainwash people into thinking Michelle was the most beautiful thing on earth and if we disagreed we were racist.

[quote] The lame stream media

Uh huh.

R67, you really are a troll, but from the article (it sure doesn't sound like unequivocal praise):

[quote] Her curvy biceps have become something of a lightning rod for remarks from both sexes in a larger discussion of how much female muscle constitutes too much. While some praise Obama as a role model in a world gone obese, others say she’s gone too far in displaying the fruit of her workouts. Read one online forum comment: “There is nothing uglier than manly, muscular arms on a woman. Mrs. Obama should be hiding them instead of showing them off.”

*That should have said R97, not R67.

R99, I don’t care about that specific article. I am referring to the general consensus in the media as I saw it at the time. I would roll my eyes every time someone tv gushed over Michelle’s arms. Not an attractive woman at all

. I don’t remember Hillary getting praised for her non existent good looks ever.

Why is Rosie STILL letting him live rent-free in her head when he’s not in office anymore? Why can’t she focus on being happy he’s gone?

If Michelle Obama or even Hillary Clinton had been former whores or had showed their tits in photographs, there would have been congressional hearings about it. Let's not pretend that the rules aren't different.

How about blaming the imbeciles, racists, homophobes, xenophobes and women haters who happily voted for Drumpf and the wealthy, who could give a shit about Drump'd politics, yet adored his massive tax cuts?

I realize the general American public are not the brightest bulbs. I do agree with what most here said about the way Drumpf was presented on his trashy low-rent TV show, it appealed to the lowest common denominator in the US. America is not exactly filled with intellectuals and deep thinkers.

Let's not forget the US is essentially a racist country, Drumpf allowed racists and uneducated hillbillies to raise their freak flags. All the racists now had a president who "spoke for" them.

I had one of my elderly racist neighbors actually call Drumpf "refreshing, he speaks about things many of us are thinking." I live in a very liberal neighborhood. Of course there will always be a smattering of racism, xenophobia, homophobia etc in liberal and Democrat areas of the US.

The feud goes back (I think) to Rosie on The View, right after a Miss Teen USA contestant was "caught" kissing a girl in a bar. I think she (Miss Teen) had to go into rehab and prostrate herself. Anyway, Trump magnanimously absolved her and Rosie took offense to Trump being a moral compass and also talked about his MO of borrowing and not paying back money, leaving others shit out of luck.

Trump seems to have been the one to grind this ax forever.

I was living in Europe when Trump's show was on TV. Never saw it. I thought it was impossible a tabloid joke like Trump could get elected. My sister said he would: rural dumbasses believed Trump was the decisive character he played on TV and she pointed out in rural America, there aren't any movie theaters, any decent restaurants, nothing to do but go to the Dairy Queen and watch TV and they love reality TV shows. She was right.

R14 BITCH don't blame Obama for this. Yeah Trump started the whole birther thing but the media and the Republicans pressured him to set the rumors straight. Trump saw an opportunity when the trailer trash birthers responded to his call and would've rather gone without free healthcare than accept a half-black man as President.

He could have come forward and stated Trump is a fucking insane asshole. He is not qualified. But the asshole did not.

There were many people who made Trump possible, but Rosie is right...but not entirely. The media covered him constantly. The media wasn't used to the overwhelming spike in ratings due to Trump and they jumped on the bandwagon and never jumped off.

In addition to CNN and MSNBC, Trump became flagship candidate on FOX. It was all disgusting. I don't watch FOX other than to tune in here and there to see what the enemy is doing. Trump was everywhere all the time.

I am an MSNBC devotee (so I can't name every individual member of the media), but the two who I can name who did incredible damage and pushed the Trump train all the time were Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski. It was criminal how much time they gave Trump. They may hate him now, but they got caught up in the Trump mania and they never let go. So, Mark Burnett...sure. He should be buried alive for all of his dirty work. But Joe and Mika are guilty, guilty, guilty. And Howard Stern was horrible too.

[quote]He could have come forward and stated Trump is a fucking insane asshole. He is not qualified. But the asshole did not.

Come out and say what? His voters didn't give two shits that he was insane and that he wasn't qualified. What was Mark Burnett going to say that was going to change minds? Trump botched Covid and people still voted for the ass. Do you really think Mark Burnett saying he's nuts was going to impact anything?

I only got as far as r4 and had to respond.

Man people have short memories.

Fox News was against Trump. They wanted a traditional republican to win. Jeb Bush etc.

It was the liberal media, Mika and Joe CNN etc. who became obsessed with him and publicized him. He even hosted Saturday Night Live during the primaries.

They built him up while also turning all the people who hate the liberal media on to him.

Rosie's feud with Trump is so odd. It is like the one time Trump was nice. He owned Miss USA and the pageant officials wanted to fire the current one for partying so much and not fufullng her duties.

She went to meet with Trump to ask for a second chance which Trump gave her.

Rosie then went after him on The View mocking his marriages, his hair, proclaiming who is he to judge?

Yeah he judged the girl but in a good way.

Rosie and Trump are actually more similar than they'd like. What irritates us most on others is things we don't like about ourselves.

Rosie has become a miserable, negative, angry person. It's easy to forget that she was actually pretty funny once upon a time.

[quote]In addition to CNN and MSNBC, Trump became flagship candidate on FOX. It was all disgusting. I don't watch FOX other than to tune in here and there to see what the enemy is doing. Trump was everywhere all the time.

no r109.

Fox only came around to Trump after he was a sure thing for the primamary. Megyn Kelly was basically assigned to destroy him with a question during the first republican debate.

Greg Gutfeld was against Trump until like a day before.

Let's face it, there are so many responsible for this Trump nightmare. My question is looking forward:

When are the indictments coming to nail Trump and the Trump organization on tax evasion, etc.?

I am getting very impatient with the feds and the Southern District of New York. We cannot let this orange motherfucker run again in 2024...and screw up the midterm elections in 2022.

R116, Nothing is going to happen to Trump. Absolutely nothing. We all will be seeing him on tv constantly very soon. Then in the White House again. The only way this will not happen is that the economy since hopefully the pandemic is waning goes full rocket sled up. Even the deplorables stop bitching when they have lots of cash. See the second Clinton term for example.

Roma Downey is married to billionaire Burnett

Naming and shaming… part 732.

Link on Burnett and Downey being democrats. Stern did not NOT release the Trump tapes - he just waited to be asked for them. No one ever did. He said he was not just going to rebroadcast them, then it would look like he was trying to sabotage Trump. He said any journalist could have spent five minutes researching his appearances and gotten live clips of Trump rating women etc or his petty fights with AJ Benza...

Rosie's and Trump's feud is always hilarious to me.

Leave it to one fat, narcissistic, paranoid, and improbably wealthy and insanely loudmouthed slob from the white dregs of New York (who attracts pretty gold-digging wives) to call out another.

Trump is not running again. He is already waning in popularity and fundraising.

And health and lifespan, with luck.

I remember being shocked when the first season the The Apprentice was announced because I had thought it was common knowledge that Trump was a failure who had lost whatever fortune he had made. Like most, I watched the first season because it felt like a harmless fluff show. I came away guessing I’d been wrong about his bad fortune (which speaks to Rosie’s point).

One thing that gets lost in Trump vs. Clinton 2016.

After an eight year president it has almost always switched sides. I think George HW Bush is one of the rare exceptions.

The dems were at a little disadvantage going in .

r125 that and Hillary was mypoic in the hate she had forced on her in the fly over states. She was assured a firewall of safety and didn't campaign hard enough in those states. She did in Ohio but that was lost to her, PA, WI, MI were where she needed to come in hard. She was winning CA and NY no matter what.

R125 no it was totally winnable for the Dems, unfortunately they managed to select for their nominee the only person in America who could lose to Donald Trump.

It is pretty unbelievable in retrospect that only 2 people ran against Hillz for the nomination. I mean no incumbent. The repugs that time and the dems in 2020 had so many candidates the had those pathetic pre-debates where the delusional people with zero percent or so had to go.

Mark & wifey are both right wing religious nuts who have done the 700 Club, TBN shows, etc. numerous times. They would go on those shows whining about the Hollywood cesspool but ignoring all of the covetousness, arguing, bigotry, backstabbing & lying (the Devils' game) his shows celebrated.

So many Hollywood types are in the "conservative closet" until they find a candidate that they will "come out" for.

Joan Rivers didn't come out as a repub until Steve Forbes ran for prez (his gay dad was referenced for his "gay friendly persona" by Joan & Melissa even thought he came out a short time later against many gay rights to court the religious right).

Cheers stars Kirstie Alley & John R. recently came out post 2000 as repubs when they found guys they could endorse publicly.

I don't buy that the Burnetts didn't help Trump in any way. I think they're both members of that secret repub organization for the rich & famous & don't want to lose their business connections. Hiding in plain sight has been very rewarding for many a Hollywood conservative who want to sit on a mountain of cash before making a public declaration which could cost them future deals. Trump or his winged monkeys have never attacked Mark or his wife in any way (like they have NBC & CNN who have helped him out countless times)) so he knows what game they're playing & it's not a liberal democrat one.

R76 Thanks for mentioning all of that. I can see that happening with Mark & Putin.

The US religious right loves that wacko bigot almost as much as DJT.

Fox is the black cauldron creating the deplorable magical soup of hate. But blame the Democrats for not showing up to vote, because these lazy asses did not go vote because all the polls showed Hillary was a shoe-in. My conversations at work after election day; them : " OMG can YOU BELIEVE Trump WON?" me: " did you vote?" them: "No". And we sank into minority rule that has pushed democracy to the brink. We are steps from becoming USSR.2.

Shes absolutely right. The show normalized him to the rest of America (across party lines) on a way nothing else did. Fox was playing to its own audience, and CNN, while they should be admonished for giving him so much airtime - it still fell under the “all publicity is good publicity” umbrella : yes it gave him unnecessary attention but it didn’t normalize him in the same way as The Apprentice, which portrayed him as successful and, in a way, likable.

I don’t get it. How does Jeff Zucker get a pass through all this? He was the idiot in charge of NBC Entertainment who greenlit The Apprentice, as well as the nitwit at CNN who then gave Trump free reign. Am I missing something?

[quote][R116], Nothing is going to happen to Trump. Absolutely nothing. We all will be seeing him on tv constantly very soon. Then in the White House again. The only way this will not happen is that the economy since hopefully the pandemic is waning goes full rocket sled up. Even the deplorables stop bitching when they have lots of cash. See the second Clinton term for example.

What are you saying? Lots of cash? The economy wasn't so great when The Moronic Orange Menace was in office. Most of the jobs that asshole 'created' were low-wage McJobs, they weren't jobs people could actually survive on. Not sure why anyone would assume he created well paying jobs which would lead to actual careers. Stop drinking the Kool Aid!

Because he lied about Covid, said it was like the flu, mocked Dr. Fauci, urged Americans to use bleach and all the other verbal diarrhea which constantly flowed out of his ignorant anus mouth, the Orange Moron then ruined whatever 'strong economy' he supposedly created. Who the hell would vote for all that chaos again?

I still cannot believe people aren't blaming this fool for all the mayhem he caused, making a mockery of the most powerful office in the world and all the Covid deaths, which could have been avoided had he not made wearing masks political.

Most importantly, this moron tried to turn the US into a Third World country, with him as some kind of forever dictator. That stupid strongman face he puts on is just plain laughable. He's absolutely pathetic, the least powerful man in the world. During his 'reign' he made the US a laughingstock.

Who the hell would want this mental midget back in The White House?

If that creep ever gets anywhere the near The White House again, how about the Dems and Liberals invade the Capitol this time? Wonder if the ReThugs would call that "just another day of tourists" or whatever they claimed was going on during the January 6th insurrection.

I don't think he had any intention of running for President while doing The Apprentice.

I actually think he ran for President as a way of reenergizing The Apprentice.

I think he was utterly shocked that he won. When the polls were showing he'd lose people were saying your the head of a movement you have to stay in politics and lead the new movement. He was like, no I'm done.

(then once he was there he seemed to grow to like being president as Bill Maher said.)

Nice try at rewriting history but Trumpy started out in the 80s as a White House seeking Reagan loving repub who wanted to be Bush1's VP.

When Dan Q. got the pick he flipped out (LOL!) & switched to calling himself a dem as the petty shithead he was at the time.

He neve supported any major dem causes while calling himself one.

DJT would join any party to feed his ego (& probably his Russian backers) to get him into the Executive Branch in DC.

It took him 28 years of political maneuvering but he finally make it there without any help from the Bush family.

[quote]If Michelle Obama or even Hillary Clinton had been former whores or had showed their tits in photographs, there would have been congressional hearings about it. Let's not pretend that the rules aren't different.

R103, you are completely right. The media gave Melania Trump a free pass. It is amazing that there are naked porno photographs of a First Lady and that the media said virtually nothing about it. If Hillary or Michelle had posed for photos like that they never would have heard the end of it.

The media also went easy on Melania when she wore that disgraceful "I Don't Care, Do You" jacket. No First Lady has ever behaved like that and yet the media forgot about it after a few days. Hillary or Michelle would have been hounded for years if they did that.

So it raises the question, why DID the media decide not to grill Melania?

You can blame Fox. You can blame Facebook. You can blame anything you want. But we all know the truth is, and you can scream voter suppression until you're blue in the face, the democrats are lazy voters.

R147 I rolled my eyes every time I read some comment from some deluded liberal insisting that Melania was secretly a beleaguered victim in need of our rescue. The press did go insanely easy on both her and Ivanka. And the SNL portrayal of Melania as a sad waif was absurd. I think much of it came down to the usual double standard ( dems spouses and families are hounded by the press while repubs families are practically sacred cows). This goes back years. I remember when Judith Steinberg Dean was attacked by NYT Maureen Dowd for not wearing makeup and continuing to work while Howard campaigned and no one said a peep. A few years later some lez dem strategist pointed out ( quite accurately) that Ann Romney had never worked a day in her life and the media had a prissy meltdown. I suspect that there was also an element of lookism to it as well. The media found Ivanka and Melania sufficiently " hot" and so laid off.

That was supposed to be a response to r137 not 147

"Who the hell would want this mental midget back in The White House?"

Have you been off-world for a long trip and just get back?

The bitter old hag just wont go away, first time i saw her before she was famous was on a crappy day time talk show and she was whining and bitching that she hadnt gotten anywhere and she had been doing comedy for a long time. I suppose thats why everything she says is a whine or complaint. It how she got attention.

Lots of ignorant and mentally deficient people actually thought Melania was "classy". Going on about Melanoma bringing back 'class' and 'style' back to The White House. Acting as if she she was some Jackie O substitute!

I couldn't believe what I was reading, their racism was so obvious. These same morons put down Michelle Obama (for showing her arms, no less and for stating kids should be eating healthy diets! Yet it seemed perfectly OK that the First Whore posed naked with a woman), Michelle was a highly educated American woman, meanwhile Trumpsters praised an ignorant incoherent foreigner who lied about her education, had tons of plastic surgery, had obvious fake tits and was a former call girl, they called that Melanoma dolt, "classy"!?

That sure proved Americans aren't known for their intelligence and deep thinking. There was enough proof out there Melania was a hollow shell of a human, as much of a grifter as her vile husband and a gold digger, nothing more, yet she was praised constantly.

R143, her photos were pretty raunchy too. They weren't just naked pics, they were porn. Yet she escaped unscathed.

uhh the media went easy on Melania when she STOLE Michelle Obama's speech word for word claiming she wrote it on her own until she was called out for plagiarism and she claimed a speech writer wrote it.

R145, that one in particular blew my mind. I swear, she could have just recited the lyrics to "Greatest Love of All" and the media would just look away.

[quote]In 2002, Burnett rented Wollman Rink, in Central Park, for a live broadcast of the Season 4 finale of “Survivor.” The property was controlled by Donald Trump, who had obtained the lease to operate the rink in 1986, and had plastered his name on it. Before the segment started, Burnett… noticed Trump sitting with Melania Knauss, then his girlfriend, in the front row…. Burnett recounted, in a 2013 speech in Vancouver. “I said, ‘Welcome, everybody, to Trump Wollman skating rink. The Trump Wollman skating rink is a fine facility, built by Mr. Donald Trump. Thank you, Mr. Trump. Because the Trump Wollman skating rink is the place we are tonight and we love being at the Trump Wollman skating rink, Mr. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.”

[…]

[quote]Seven weeks before the 2016 election Burnett… arrived… at the Microsoft Theatre, in Los Angeles, for the Emmy Awards… the master of ceremonies, Jimmy Kimmel, took an unexpected turn during his opening monologue. “Television brings people together, but television can also tear us apart,” Kimmel mused. “I mean, if it wasn’t for television, would Donald Trump be running for President?” In the crowd, there was laughter. “Many have asked, ‘Who is to blame for Donald Trump?’ ” Kimmel continued. “I’ll tell you who, because he’s sitting right there. That guy.” Kimmel pointed into the audience, and the live feed cut to a closeup of Burnett, whose expression resolved itself into a rigid grin. “Thanks to Mark Burnett, we don’t have to watch reality shows anymore, because we’re living in one,” Kimmel said. Burnett was still smiling, but Kimmel wasn’t. He went on, “I’m going on the record right now. He’s responsible. If Donald Trump gets elected and he builds that wall, the first person we’re throwing over it is Mark Burnett. The tribe has spoken.”

[…]

[quote]”The Apprentice” was built around a weekly series of business challenges. At the end of each episode, Trump determined which competitor should be “fired.” But, as Braun explained, Trump was frequently unprepared for these sessions, with little grasp of who had performed well. Sometimes a candidate distinguished herself during the contest only to get fired, on a whim, by Trump. When this happened, Braun said, the editors were often obliged to “reverse engineer” the episode, scouring hundreds of hours of footage to emphasize the few moments when the exemplary candidate might have slipped up, in an attempt to assemble an artificial version of history in which Trump’s shoot-from-the-hip decision made sense. During the making of “The Apprentice,” Burnett conceded that the stories were constructed in this way, saying, “We know each week who has been fired, and, therefore, you’re editing in reverse.”

[quote]”The Apprentice” portrayed Trump not as a skeezy hustler who huddles with local mobsters but as a plutocrat with impeccable business instincts and unparalleled wealth—a titan who always seemed to be climbing out of helicopters or into limousines. “Most of us knew he was a fake,” Braun told me. “He had just gone through I don’t know how many bankruptcies. But we made him out to be the most important person in the world. It was like making the court jester the king.” Bill Pruitt, another producer, recalled, “We walked through the offices and saw chipped furniture. We saw a crumbling empire at every turn. Our job was to make it seem otherwise.

[quote]Burnett is one slimy little fucker. He tried to get Putin to star in a reality show, and when some Russian bankers wanted to get to Trump they used Burnett as a go-between. I swear there was an article somewhere about how Burnett came home from Russia and that's when he called Trump to do the Apprentice but I can't find anything right now.

I found it, R76.

From 2015:

[quote]The reality TV superproducer behind the TLC hit Sarah Palin’s Alaska — along with NBC stalwart The Voice, CBS’ Survivor and ABC’s Shark Tank, among others — has his eye on a series that would go inside the world of global government leaders. First on his wish list: Russia’s Vladimir Putin. If all goes as he hopes, others, including Cuba’s Fidel Castro, would follow.

[quote]“I want this to be a series of shows from the eyes of leaders of nations about their countries,” Burnett, 54, tells THR, “not through the lens of a news organization.”

[…]

[quote]Seeing Russia through its controversial president’s eyes has Burnett so excited, he already has reached out to Putin, 62, a noted outdoorsman and former KGB officer. He says he emphasized his show would be devoid of armies and politics; rather, it would focus on “the humans, the nature, the animals of the nation.” When it is suggested the Russian leader probably would ignore such a request, Burnett, who recently wrapped filming a Ben-Hur remake in Rome, cracks a smile: “How do you know that? I would think I could probably get through to most people.”

[quote]So, if he did get through, what was the reaction? Responds Burnett coyly, “No comment.”

In looking for something about Burnett's political views I found this:

[quote][bold]History, Mark Burnett Defend Satan’s Similarity to President Obama in ‘The Bible’[/bold]

[quote]The cable network and EP dismiss claims that the devil was cast for his similarity to the commander in chief, adding that they have "the highest respect" for the president.

[quote]Mohamen Mehdi Ouazanni plays Satan in The Bible, and his resemblance to Obama was first pointed out on Twitter by Glenn Beck ahead of the episode’s premiere.

[...]

[quote]Downey, who also plays the Virgin Mary in The Bible, added that they are, in fact, fond of the president.

[quote]“Both Mark and I have nothing but respect and love our president, who is a fellow Christian,” said Downey. “False statements such as these are just designed as a foolish distraction to try and discredit the beauty of the story of The Bible.”

[quote]Burnett "is pro-Trump and has made clear to his teams that he will sue anyone who leaks," the person said.

I wonder if Howard Stern warned his staff about tape leaks.

r152 jesus christ, Stern NEVER blocked the release of the tapes. Ever. No one EVER asked. He was shocked. He evne said it on air. If one reporter had done thier job they would have 2 hours of shit to play on Trump. He was just never going to purposly go out and say "hey listen to what I got on Turmp" it was not a secret. At all.

Stern blocked the release of tapes. He said he’s consider it a “betrayal”.

I know 3 people who are friends with Mark Burnett. They all met him by working with him. They've all since turned conservative and 1 has turned into a real conservative asshole. I've stopped being friends with him. He's really, REALLY desperate to get more work with Mark, The other two are friends with and have worked with Dr Drew, who is good friends with Mark Burnett. They just tolerate them so they can get work

dr Drew is another one who desperately wants to get work with Mark. He was always a quack Dr, but in the beginning of Covid he really went into "let's defend donald trump mode" and said the equivalent of, "Covid is no big deal" and then had to apologize and say he didn't know what he was talking about

those other quacks, dr oz and "dr" phil also did the same shit and tried to defend trump's Covid lunacy, with "Hydroxychloroquine could work" and other assorted lies and bullshit

And what a coincidence, they're all friends with Mark Burnett. Phil and his wife are super close friends with Mark and his wife Roma. Dr Oz isn't that close a friends, (but they live on different coasts), but dr oz would LOVE to work with Mark Burnett. He loves money and is ALWAYS on the lookout for more work

TLDR: They're all friends with Mark Burnett and tried to defend trump's Covid lies. They're still doing it to this day

[quote]I wonder if Howard Stern warned his staff about tape leaks.

Many fans taped Stern's radio show, who would have stopped any Stern fans from releasing any Trump interview?

I worked with a huge Stern fan who taped Stern's K-Rock show every morning. He brought the tapes into work for everyone to listen to in the afternoon. I never paid attention to any of Stern's Trump interviews because I've always despised that orange freak.

It doesn’t matter matter if the fans do it, Howard himself said he would not. Why does he get a pass??

Stern voted Republican too. I know that’s the reason, that he voted Hillary and Biden. But he’s supported Republicans.

And Rosie, if you’re here, he had a giant jellybean jar of your head.

Oh, c'mon.

There is no way anyone could have predicted in 2004 that he could even remotely have a chance to run, let alone win a presidential election.

Even in 2016, people scoffed that the electorate would accept someone with no political experience and with so many skeletons in his closet that a gay serial killer would blush.

There is a real danger with revisionist history that makes convenient and pat excuses for complex socio-political forces. Trumps' stain of a presidency reflects years, perhaps decades of forces operating within the US and world combined with the rise of technology, like social media, that made traditional sources of news and information obsolete for an under-educatd and uneducated population in a world that was so "scary" and little understood that they became easy fodder for manipulation and populist rhetoric.

^^^ that said, Burnett is a fundie nutbag who is himself a stain on humanity.

r154 He didn't block them He says exactly what I said - if he replayed all the Trump interviews he would be betraying him as a guest by attacking him. That is not blocking the tapes - that is not piling on by replaying on HIS show all the Trump tapes. He could of but he didn't. He did however endorse Hillary over and over, even told Trump on the show he was for Hillary.

His problem was people were saying they discovered hidden interviews wtih Trump. They were never hidden or secret like the Billy Bush off mic thing. They were on the air, for everyone to hear. Everyone heard it. They were not secret.

You are all over the place. ^. He blocked them. PERIOD.

FUCK OFF.

[quote] “I mean, if it wasn’t for television, would Donald Trump be running for President?” In the crowd, there was laughter. “Many have asked, ‘Who is to blame for Donald Trump?’ ” Kimmel continued. “I’ll tell you who, because he’s sitting right there. That guy.” Kimmel pointed into the audience, and the live feed cut to a closeup of Burnett, whose expression resolved itself into a rigid grin. “Thanks to Mark Burnett, we don’t have to watch reality shows anymore, because we’re living in one,” Kimmel said. Burnett was still smiling, but Kimmel wasn’t. He went on, “I’m going on the record right now. He’s responsible. If Donald Trump gets elected and he builds that wall, the first person we’re throwing over it is Mark Burnett. The tribe has spoken.”

Yeah well Kimmel had Trump on and just laughed as he attacked Rosie. That was the last time I ever watched anything with Kimmel. Fuck Jimmy Kimmel. And on Letterman Trump called Rosie, at the time an out Lesbian with a partner and kids a degenerate without push back. Fuck David Letterman. They are also responsible for Trump.

They all get passes because they vote “correct”.

Remember when he fired his "eyes and ears" Caroline (on the show and at his company) and replaced her with Ivanka on the show? That was an omen of what was to come later.)

R165, that's horrible. These hosts were encouraging a grown-ass man to outright bully another person. That's why he keeps doing it.

Not very woke, Jimmy. Even Colbert (or was it Fallon) had Hillary Clinton read a Trump quote about Rosie as part of some game. It was something very hurtful that definitely didn't need to be repeated.

Rosie O'Lesbo

Roma Downey played Jackie O. in A WOMAN NAMED JACKIE.

Wonder if she'll ever play Melania?

Director: "Ok, Roma. For this scene your going to look seriously into the camera while wearing only a pair of heels and sliding a finger into your snatch. ACTION!"

You can't blame Julia...

And what exactly what do you guys think was going to happen by playing those tapes? The man said there were good people on both sides, when the other side was Nazis and he went up 2 points. The grab em by the pussy tape came out and his female fans bought t-shirts saying that he could in fact grab them by the pussy.

I think a lot of this is some of you just don't want to believe that your friends and close family members are racist and sexist, and yes, homophobic.

there is blocking - like what Burnett did. He threatened to sue anyone who released any tapes from Apprentice. vs Stern who said over and over - they aired there is tape of it. Stern was not goign to group them all together and attack Trump with it but and News Network could have. It was all out there.

[quote]It doesn’t matter matter if the fans do it, Howard himself said he would not. Why does he get a pass??

Pay attention, it's not about Stern not re-playing the foul Dump interviews from his radio show, it's about those interviews still being easily accessible to the public. Over the years, tons of Stern fans have neurotically taped Stern's radio shows. Stern's fans are rabid.

There are many copies of those Dump interviews out there. Besides, most New Yorkers always knew Dump was a moron, a fraud and a grifter. Most intelligent New Yorkers never imagined that fool would ever become president.

The point is, why does anyone need to hear Stern's official radio tapes, not when his diehard fans, the fans who taped the show every day, could have easily re-posted them anywhere online?

Anyone with a functioning brain, especially those who read up on Dump, could have figured he'd be an epic failure as president.

Roma seems like a good person. She came from dirt poor Northern Ireland and now lives in a hotel size palace in Malibu.

You can just google the interviews. There's videos of trump's Howard Stern interviews all over the net

Some of you lazy asses are ridiculous

"I think he's BRILLIANT!" Seriously?

WTF was that blond bimbo intern Jennifer smoking.

Wonder if she eventually fucked that mushroom-dicked imbecile.

It's odd how Rosie has stopped answering questions on her website and doesn't seem to have gotten any pleasure from Biden's winning.

She's still stuck thinking about Trump.

R178, maybe it's because Biden winning has only given us a temporary reprieve. Trump is still hanging over us and may be back in 2024.

It’s not the fans. It’s HOWARD STERN. You won’t be hearing Trump interviews again on Sirius. Youtube? Sure. But Howard told Donald playing his old interviews on his show, on replays when he’s on vacation will never happen again. Because they are friends.

That’s not to say Donald won’t call into his show sometime in the future.

I do think Rosie has calmed down a bit. After all, Cali has really good pot.

R4, don't blame FOX alone. All of the media -knowing he was a birther, bigot and racist- still normalized him. Covered him. Interviewed him. They gleefully aired the bile he spewed because #ratings.

Why DOES Rosie have that bizarre "smile" where she just grimaces and exposes her teeth?

I used to work with a man where when he laughed the corners of his lips would go down instead of up, and I never could figure that out either.

Just to piss you off R184.

[quote]Because they are friends.

You actually think Drumpf has any real friends? Agent Orange will use, then dump anyone who has outlived their use. He'd even throw his own children under the bus.

This horrible man doesn't care for anyone but himself. The way he was talking about Melania on the show, it was absolutely disgusting. It doesn't matter what the public thinks about her being a former call girl, what man talks about his wife like that, during a live broadcast, no less? I don't even think Hugh Hefner ever said such disgusting things about any of the women he fucked. Drumpf is an absolutely imbecile. He's totally charmless. Of course, when talking bout anything, it's all about him.

I don't even know why Howard would call Drumpf a friend. Does Stern actually need such a friend? I also don't think many people understand the meaning of the word 'friend', especially in showbiz terms. There are actual long time friends in a famous person's life and then there are showbiz acquaintances. Drumpf doesn't have any real friends. He surrounds himself with paid criminal cronies, that's about it. Listen to an interview with Drumpf's niece, she will verify he doesn't have any actual friends, even his family despises him.

Stern must surely have a larger fanbase than Drumpf will ever have. I'm not even a fan of either of them, but Stern has an extremely loyal rabid fanbase, I know that much.

I'd also bet Stern is actually much wealthier than that compulsive liar Drumpf. It's highly doubtful he's a billionaire.

Stern's loyal fanbase has abandoned him in the age of COVID and Beth.

Who is this Howard Stern-pusher with their long ass posts?

Why does Howard Stern get a pass for everything?

Stern's fanbase is mostly deplorable trash who've no doubt turned to Joe Rogan for their idiocy.

[quote]This horrible man doesn't care for anyone but himself. The way he was talking about Melania on the show, it was absolutely disgusting.

Talk about her? The trashbag cheated on her within 30 secs of Baron being born, but she's filth because she knew what she was marrying. A good person doesn't marry someone like him.

Oscar Wilde you ain't, r185.

The greatest trick devil has ever pulled that Donald Trump is the root cause for all that's wrong with America at the moment. People, especially dems never realize that Trump is not the cause but just a symptom.

[quote]Who is this Howard Stern-pusher with their long ass posts?

What's you problem, short attention span? I've been posting long posts, but I'm certainly no "Stern pusher". I wanted to make a valid point, Drumpf doesn't have any real friends.

Most native New Yorkers knew all about Drumpf, it's the flyovers who bought into his reality show persona. In NY, Drumpf was always considered a joke.

Besides, I had no idea Stern lost many of his rabid fanbase, I assumed he still had his loyal longterm fans who stuck with him throughout his years on AM radio, then on K-Rock in NY. I know a lot about Stern because a former work colleague would tape the radio show, then play the tapes at work everyday. I worked in an ad agency, it was a pretty loose atmosphere.

Not to mention, Stern has many fans here at DL, are you new to this site? There's always some Stern thread here. DL Stern fans also post threads about Robin Quivers. While others are drooling over some of Sterns interns.

Again, I've simply stated Drumpf has no real friends, plus, why would Stern even consider that POS a "friend"? What would Stern have to gain by claiming Drumpf as a friend?

[quote]he greatest trick devil has ever pulled that Donald Trump is the root cause for all that's wrong with America at the moment. People, especially dems never realize that Trump is not the cause but just a symptom.

Of course, Dump is a symptom. People would have to be morons not to realize that.

Dump's presidency, unfortunately, allowed the illiterates, homophobes, xenophobes, racists, women haters and general deplorables to crawl out of the woodwork. Dump gave them the guts to show their true colors. They think he speaks for them. Those hillbillies were over the moon to see such a piece of trash as their president, standing at a podium talking trash and ranting about punching people out and other disgusting nonsense.

Dump's fans think he's "refreshing & honest." Meanwhile, Dump despises his low-rent fanbase because he actually thinks he's better than they are. He uses them, period. Dump thinks he's "classy." 😂 🤣

The wealthy like Dump, and the ReThugs in general, because that party always saves them millions in taxes. That's all they care about, keeping their millions, by any means necessary. Even if it meant having such a fool as president, essentially, a wannabe dictator, they didn't care, he helped them stay very rich.

R194, what I always say to those trashy deplorables is: How fucking stupid must they be to think Trump would rather be with them than the most liberal of liberal Hollywood celebrities and "elites"?

The NYT and other media outlets pulled this shit of rationalizing why so many (white) assholes gravitated to such a stupid, buffoonish, scheming grifting clown. They did everything to deflect from the only answer: He was a hateful, racist, bigoted swine who made his loser base feel like their failures in life were the fault of anyone but themselves.

[quote]How fucking stupid must they be to think Trump would rather be with them than the most liberal of liberal Hollywood celebrities and "elites"?

They love him because he says what they think. White Supremacy. The first words out of his mouth down the escalator in from of the paid crowd was Mexicans are rapists and criminals, calls back women politicians low I,Q. etc. It's all about white panic.

[quote]what man talks about his wife like that, during a live broadcast, no less?

And what man talks about his own daughter the way he does? He's made inappropriate, incestuous jokes about Ivanka, and how if only he wasn't her father, he would like a piece of that. The women on The View were grossed out by him:

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