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Coronavirus Megathread 10: Don’t Dream it’s Over

Creating this thread since thread 9 is almost at 600 and Sylvia hasn’t posted a new one. (Apologies Sylvia if I have overstepped)

Anyway I am starting this post with the hope that it’l be close to the last, hence the title. Here’s to vaccines, optimism and a post Delta lull.

by Anonymousreply 157October 16, 2021 7:52 AM

Covid-19 revealed to me just how much more disappointing the human race was than I realised. I am still cautiously optimistic (heavy on the caution).

by Anonymousreply 1October 3, 2021 12:23 AM

I'm trying not to be pessimistic, but it's hard.

If you don't mind, I'm going to repost my question that I posted in the last post of the previous thread. I'm too young for the boosters, but I hope they approve it for younger ages soon.

To those who have gotten a booster, are side effects like after the second shot? I ended up taking a sick day the day after the second Pfizer shot because I felt like crap. Wondering if I'll have to do same when I'm eligible for booster

by Anonymousreply 2October 3, 2021 1:12 AM

I'd somehow lost track of Thread 9; I didn't even know that anyone was posting to it. So thanks, EL!

What do we think about the COVID pill from Merck?

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by Anonymousreply 3October 3, 2021 1:24 AM

R2, I got my Pfizer booster about a month ago and I had the same reaction as I did the first two times- just a sore arm.

Under 65, but immunocompromised.

by Anonymousreply 4October 3, 2021 1:31 AM

From link at R3

[quote]The results have not been reviewed by outside experts, the usual procedure for vetting new medical research.

I hope they're not jumping the gun on this with false hopes, already talking about seeking an EUA. Filing with FDA with data that has not been peer reviewed is risky.

Sounds promising, if the data is good.

by Anonymousreply 5October 3, 2021 1:50 AM

R2, my booster did a number on me. Feeling sore and inflamed. Everyone's different (see R4), but I would aim for getting it on the weekend.

by Anonymousreply 6October 3, 2021 1:56 AM

Not optimistic or pessimistic. Like R1, I'm deeply disappointed in the human race. I'm beginning to think there's no hope, that the ideals and values I was raised with are no more real than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. Some reasons why I feel this way:

So many anti-vaxxers unable to understand logic and keeping the pandemic alive

70 million or so votes for Scum Trump. Really? An evil malicious narcissist, cheating, self-serving liar in the White House. Sick.

Climate Change and global warming

Millions of life forms are going extinct

Humans greedily gobble up earth's resources and breed like rabbits and still want more and more

Our seas are dying, islands of plastic and rapidly dropping fish populations

The idea that some people are perfectly comfortable with a house full of assault weapons while supporting the ban of abortions. Murder, mass shootings, and massacres don't bother them but don't you dare touch that embryo!

Religious extremists of all types. Just be a good person goddammit, believe in whatever god you choose but stop trying to impose your beliefs on others.

Income inequality, the rich cheating the poor, huge tax cuts and reduction in essential services

And on and on. I used to think there were more smart, good people than bad, now I think the worst. For every human action there seems to be a criminal reaction. Witness the deluge of phone scams and identity theft, credit card fraud, and white collar crime. From top to bottom one can find corruption. How will the earth survive humans? Maybe we'll be extinct soon from our own willful ignorance and hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 7October 3, 2021 2:19 AM

Got the booster yesterday, some sleepiness overall and some heart pain right now. But that may be from the 2 cupcakes I just ate.

by Anonymousreply 8October 3, 2021 2:38 AM

Took an anticipatory analgesic.

No big deal. Booster had minimal side effects. Injection site itched for a day (as did my last flu shot).

by Anonymousreply 9October 3, 2021 2:52 AM

Where I live there is a mandatory mask requirement. Went to Krogers. Probably 20 percent were not wearing masks. And some were even coughing into the air.. This is never going away. It just ain't. And the Trump Cult Members won't comply. There is no punishment for the Anti-Vaxxers---that is the first problem. Ban them from stores. Ban them from Restaurants. When they get hungry or need beer they will get vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 10October 3, 2021 3:19 AM

Hi Sylvia!!!R3. I understand the technology for the pill came from researchers at Emory. I am attaching a good discussion from Twitter. The DSMB stopping the study early because it was no longer ethical to give anyone placebo anymore based on the interim findings is as good as, if not is better than, a peer reviewed publication in my book.

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by Anonymousreply 11October 3, 2021 12:14 PM

[quote] Took an anticipatory analgesic.

Surprise anal is better.

by Anonymousreply 12October 3, 2021 12:57 PM

The Trumpist anti-vaxx plan--just let everybody catch Covid as quickly as possible so they'll develop herd immunity and the pandemic will be over sooner--has run into a few bumps. Such as, herd immunity is apparently not a thing with a virus that's mutating this quickly into forms that are easier to catch, can be carried and transmitted by asymptomatic and even vaccinated people, and is currently working its way through the (mostly unvaxxinated) entire 7.7 billion population of Earth.

by Anonymousreply 13October 3, 2021 1:26 PM
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by Anonymousreply 14October 3, 2021 6:41 PM

[quote]I'm too young for the boosters, but I hope they approve it for younger ages soon.

Me too:

“It’s good that the US and UK are giving boosters to their elderly,” said a health official, asking for anonymity to speak freely. “But it’s a political decision not to follow Israel’s lead, not a medical one. That the vaccine is not good after six-eight months is no longer a secret.”

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by Anonymousreply 15October 3, 2021 6:45 PM

I was toward the “very careful” end of the spectrum during pre-vaccine covid times, and for a while when Delta started rearing its head. Lately, I still wear my mask and follow the rules and guidelines, but have been feeling significantly less anxiety and fear about covid, pretty close to being back to normal life.

by Anonymousreply 16October 3, 2021 6:45 PM

[quote] What do we think about the COVID pill from Merck?

It will the anti-vaxxers, but it has to be taken immediately. With the Delta variant, some people got really sick very quickly.

Of course it will cost a fortune. I don't want the taxpayers to pay for this

by Anonymousreply 17October 3, 2021 6:55 PM

[quote] I'm too young for the boosters, but I hope they approve it for younger ages soon.

Just because you look 63 doesn't change the fact that you're 78. Go get the booster.

by Anonymousreply 18October 3, 2021 7:35 PM

There's an LA Rams game in LA today. A superspreader event. And all it takes is one person who is there to get on an airplane and fly to another city to spread the latest iteration of the virus. I don't understand why so many people, and I don't mean that in the abstract, I mean people around here where I live, walking around without masks. Esp. as it's mandated by the governer to wear them outdoors. Are they trying to make some kind of statement against authority?

by Anonymousreply 19October 3, 2021 7:39 PM

There's an outdoors mask mandate in CA, r19?

by Anonymousreply 20October 3, 2021 7:44 PM

Yes, it was put in effect on August 19th for outdoor events with gatherings of over 5000 (i think) people. I had tickets for the Mets/Dodgers game the day it went into effect. No one bothered.

T-Mobile Park in Seattle also mandated masks for everyone at the all the games about 10 days ago. Every game I've watched, I see maybe 13 of spectators wearing them. I'm sure some have them off to eat or drink, but I'm seeing a lot of lumps sitting there doing nothing but mouth breathing with their masks off. No one is enforcing this.

by Anonymousreply 21October 3, 2021 8:44 PM

Haha R18, I wish I could. If you must know, I'll be 60 in 2 months. Hoping I'll be in the 2nd wave of eligibility.

by Anonymousreply 22October 3, 2021 9:01 PM

That I'm aware of, r21. Your "I mean people around here where I live, walking around without masks. Esp. as it's mandated by the governer to wear them outdoors." was misleading.

by Anonymousreply 23October 3, 2021 9:23 PM

R15 My question is: does the Pfizer booster only confer another 6-8 months of high levels of protection from infection, or longer? I suppose no one has that data yet.

by Anonymousreply 24October 3, 2021 9:28 PM

I hope so too, R22.

by Anonymousreply 25October 3, 2021 9:28 PM

It surprised me that my first shot, with AstraZeneca, did a real number on me. Felt like a truck had run over me, twice. Two days later I was back to normal.

The second shot was with Pfizer, and apart from feeling a little tired, I didn't notice anything. My booster shot will be Pfizer, too, but that'll probably be somewhere in January.

by Anonymousreply 26October 4, 2021 7:36 AM

R26 = LIE....They do not mix vaccines in the U.S.....They do it in Germany and other countries.

by Anonymousreply 27October 4, 2021 8:56 AM

R27 Why so fast to accuse someone of lying? Dutchie @R26 lives in the EU.

by Anonymousreply 28October 4, 2021 9:14 AM

R26 lives in Allentown Pennsylvania.

by Anonymousreply 29October 4, 2021 9:18 AM

They also don’t give AstraZeneca in the US. I think it is pretty well established that Dutchie is in the EU.

And FWIW, while they don’t mix vaccines as a matter of policy in the US, that doesn’t mean some people aren’t anyway. I have a friend who took Moderna after getting J&J (after being told by her doctor that the J&J probably didn’t work because she hadn’t gone off methotrexate for long enough before the shot.) She just walked into a pharmacy and they did it. And my parents have a friend who got J&J who did something similar. I know less of the details on that one, but I think it was Pfizer and she might have only done the one shot, and not the two shot series)

by Anonymousreply 30October 4, 2021 10:02 AM

I went to the doctor the other day about a flu shot since in Eastern Europe only family doctors can give it to you and (fun) you have to buy the actual vial at the pharmacy and take it there. I signed up for the booster with Pfizer and she said to check my antibodies and THEN go. Apparently, if your antibodies are sufficient, you can delay it even 9 months.

by Anonymousreply 31October 4, 2021 10:27 AM

FYI Dutchie @R26, she is a compatriot of yours married to a brilliant (and INSANELY hot) psychiatrist here. She isn't much to look at, but is incredibly intelligent and has published a lot. She suggested testing antibodies once a month and Vitamin D3 checks (mine is low, so I need to go on an 8 month plan of taking 6000 IU for 2 months, 4000 IU for another 2 and so on).

I told her about your "combo" and she said that the efficacy/safety of combos is still being studied and not allowed yet in Romania. I can't imagine how she can stand being here with a 8.5/1000 infection rate, 30% vaccination and the ICU's at 98%. My roommate ran into a friend who gave her a jolly big hug and then said "oh...had the flu last week...one test came back positive for COVID and another negative". We both got tested like crazy and we are negative (than God). It does, however, show you the level of disregard for the virus present in the developing world. Can't even imagine the 3rd world. So yeah, I am pessimistic.

by Anonymousreply 32October 4, 2021 10:33 AM

Over it.

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by Anonymousreply 33October 4, 2021 10:44 AM

I'm busy working on a new more lethal variant as you all discuss me.

Africa looks like a good breeding ground as all you rich nations are barely doing anything to help vaccinate them. You will pay for it.

by Anonymousreply 34October 4, 2021 10:57 AM

Africa may have some degree of innate immunity against the virus. That may help account for the fact that, aside from South Africa, the continent hasn't been hit as hard as the rest of the world.

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by Anonymousreply 35October 4, 2021 11:29 AM

The subunit particle and non-replicating viral vaccines are on their way.

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by Anonymousreply 36October 4, 2021 11:50 AM

ElderLez, have I told you lately that I love you?

What's a non-replicating viral vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 37October 4, 2021 12:02 PM

R37 - that ElderLez is one of the smartest (if not the smartest) DL-ers is well known.

by Anonymousreply 38October 4, 2021 12:04 PM

Love you more.

It’s a vaccine that works by using an infectious, but not dangerous, virus that is incapable of making copies of itself to carry the vaccine information into cells. The chicken egg vaccine I’ve been harping on for over a year is an example. It carries a cool artificial spike protein.

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by Anonymousreply 39October 4, 2021 12:15 PM

[quote](Apologies Sylvia if I have overstepped)

Are you serious? What is this, grade ten?

by Anonymousreply 40October 4, 2021 12:32 PM
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by Anonymousreply 41October 4, 2021 12:36 PM

In addition to WW and F&F, we need an ALARM!!! selection for posts like r41.

by Anonymousreply 42October 4, 2021 12:42 PM

I'm boosted! Huzzah!

by Anonymousreply 43October 4, 2021 2:26 PM

Covid's Two-Month Cycle (from NYT)

Covid-19 is once again in retreat.

[quote] The reasons remain somewhat unclear, and there is no guarantee that the decline in caseloads will continue. But the turnaround is now large enough — and been going on long enough — to deserve attention.

[quote] The number of new daily cases in the U.S. has fallen 35 percent since Sept. 1:

[quote] Worldwide, cases have also dropped more than 30 percent since late August. “This is as good as the world has looked in many months,” Dr. Eric Topol of Scripps Research wrote last week.

[quote] These declines are consistent with a pattern that regular readers of this newsletter will recognize: Covid’s mysterious two-month cycle. Since the Covid virus began spreading in late 2019, cases have often surged for about two months — sometimes because of a variant, like Delta — and then declined for about two months.

[quote] Epidemiologists do not understand why. Many popular explanations, like seasonality or the ebbs and flows of social distancing, are clearly insufficient, if not wrong. The two-month cycle has occurred during different seasons of the year and occurred even when human behavior was not changing in obvious ways....

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by Anonymousreply 44October 4, 2021 3:33 PM

Oh good, so the next surge should come just in time for xmas.

by Anonymousreply 45October 4, 2021 3:35 PM

The NYT article at r44 also says

[quote] ‘The last major wave’?

[quote] Eventually, immunity will become widespread enough that another wave as large and damaging as the Delta wave will not be possible. “Barring something unexpected,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former F.D.A. commissioner and the author of “Uncontrolled Spread,” a new book on Covid, told me, “I’m of the opinion that this is the last major wave of infection.”

[quote] Covid also isn’t going to disappear anytime soon. It will continue to circulate for years, many scientists believe. But the vaccines can transform Covid into a manageable disease, not so different from a flu or common cold. In the past few weeks, the country appears to have moved closer to that less grim future.

[quote] Whatever this autumn brings, the worst of the pandemic is almost certainly behind us.

by Anonymousreply 46October 4, 2021 3:39 PM

New Zealand admits it can no longer get rid of coronavirus

WELLINGTON, New Zealand — New Zealand’s government acknowledged Monday what most other countries did long ago: It can no longer completely get rid of the coronavirus.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced a cautious plan to ease lockdown restrictions in Auckland, despite an outbreak there that continues to simmer.

Since early in the pandemic, New Zealand had pursued an unusual zero-tolerance approach to the virus through strict lockdowns and aggressive contact tracing.

Until recently, that elimination strategy had worked remarkably well for the country of 5 million, which has reported just 27 virus deaths.

While other nations faced rising death tolls and disrupted lives, New Zealanders went back to workplaces, school yards and sports stadiums safe from any community spread.

But that all changed when the more contagious delta variant somehow escaped from a quarantine facility in August after it was brought into the country from a traveler returning from Australia.

Despite New Zealand going into the strictest form of lockdown after just a single local case was detected, it ultimately wasn’t enough to crush the outbreak entirely.

One factor may have been that the disease spread among some groups that are typically more wary of authorities, including gang members and homeless people living in transitional housing.

The outbreak has grown to more than 1,300 cases, with 29 more detected on Monday. A few cases have been found outside of Auckland.

Ardern said that seven weeks of lockdown restrictions in Auckland had helped keep the outbreak under control.

“For this outbreak, it’s clear that long periods of heavy restrictions has not got us to zero cases,” Ardern said. “But that is OK. Elimination was important because we didn’t have vaccines. Now we do, so we can begin to change the way we do things.”

New Zealand began its vaccination campaign slowly compared to most other developed nations. Rates rocketed in August after the outbreak began but have dropped off significantly again since then.

About 65% of New Zealanders have had at least one dose and 40% are fully vaccinated. Among people age 12 and older, about 79% have had at least a single jab.

Under Ardern’s plan that starts Tuesday, Aucklanders will be able to meet outdoors with loved ones from one other household, early childhood centers will reopen and people will be able to go to the beach.

The dates for a phased reopening of retail stores and later bars and restaurants have yet to be decided.

Ardern said the elimination strategy had served the country incredibly well but the government always intended to eventually transition to the protection of vaccines, a change hastened by the delta variant “game changer.”

The government’s elimination approach had been broadly supported by New Zealanders but was facing increasing criticism. Over the weekend, hundreds of people turned out to rallies protesting the lockdown.

Opposition lawmaker Chris Bishop said the government had no clear strategy to deal with the outbreak other than total surrender.

But Ardern said that most measures would remain in place to keep the outbreak under control, including exhaustive contact tracing and isolating those who got infected. –– ADVERTISEMENT ––

“There’s good cause for us to feel optimistic about the future,” Ardern said. “But we cannot rush.”

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by Anonymousreply 47October 4, 2021 4:27 PM

I believe I am in grade 45 R40.

Speaking of grades, I almost missed my train this evening because filthy anti-vax NYC public school teachers were out spewing their germs in the streets of mid-town and blocking the subway entrances. Given the fact that it is raining hard now, I am guessing they are all shoved together under umbrellas at the moment sharing Delta.

by Anonymousreply 48October 4, 2021 9:37 PM

There was a program on NPR on Sunday that had a story about a British man who contracted CV-19, and despite many treatments, had something like 6-10 mutations of the virus in his body at any given time. When one treatment was given, the main CV virus was suppressed, but the other variants took over. I forget what the first 2 treatments were, but he had 2 infusions of convalescent plasma and then ultimately died.

by Anonymousreply 49October 5, 2021 12:59 AM

Worthless Faucci had to backpeddle on his latest stupid remarks. Biden needs to find a replacement. This clown has ZERO new information and just repeats himself over and over again. Thirty Years. He didn't cure AIDS and he sure isn't doing much for Covid.

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by Anonymousreply 50October 5, 2021 1:08 AM

My goodness, r50, you're such a negative Nellie. In the *Pelosi pulls $1.2T infrastructure bill from promised House vote. AOC wins* thread you posted:

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"WHY should the government pay for childcare?. Shouldn't the BURDEN of childcare be a deterrent to mothers who keep tossing fatherless children from their vaginas?"

by Anonymousreply 51October 5, 2021 2:04 AM

Well, this is just fucking great. What the fuck did we bother for?

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by Anonymousreply 52October 5, 2021 3:01 AM

R51 = A Stalker?....Well that sounds normal and like you have nothing better to do with your life. How Flattering....Also WHY should I pay for childcare?. YOUR BRATS. YOUR PROBLEM....Next?

by Anonymousreply 53October 5, 2021 3:06 AM

Well, R52, we bothered because it was the best possible thing we could have done, and it works great for at least 6 months. :eyeroll:

How do we feel about the article excerpts at R44/46? Too optimistic? Anyone think they can take on Scott Gottlieb with a bold prediction that a worse variant is on the way?

by Anonymousreply 54October 5, 2021 3:10 AM

the make up artist for a netflix show bridgeton died. he was only 53, he was double vaxed and no underlying conditions. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 55October 5, 2021 3:23 AM

I just don't understand why these studies are coming out that the vaccine wanes dangerously after 4 months and yet most people can't get boosters. All this is going to do is get us right back where we were a year ago. Vaccines are going to waste, yet they keep withholding. This is fucking insanity. And the lowered efficacy has little to do with Delta. I have a booster and now I'm worried I got it too early (Aug 25). I can't keep diving under the bed every four months until everyone gets their fucking stories straight and decides we need another booster, but I sure as shit don't feel terribly protected right now.

by Anonymousreply 56October 5, 2021 3:28 AM

Whirlpool will pay workers $1,000 to get vaccinated

From CNN’s Matt Egan

Whirlpool is offering to pay workers who get vaccinated $1,000.

The new vaccine incentive, confirmed by Whirlpool to CNN, shows how companies are trying to encourage reluctant workers to get vaccinated.

This vaccine bonus comes as the Biden administration prepares an emergency rule that will require large companies, like Whirlpool, to ensure their entire workforce is vaccinated or subject them to weekly testing. Biden officials say companies that violate this rule could face fines of up to $14,000 per violation.

Whirlpool was already offering employees a smaller vaccine incentive but rolled out the $1,000 incentive last week.

Chad Parks, a company spokesperson, said the stepped-up vaccine bonus will apply to workers who were previously vaccinated as well as newly vaccinated ones. He declined to say how much the previous incentive was for.

“Our employees' health and safety remains our top priority,” Whirlpool said in a statement. “Throughout this pandemic they have been working tirelessly to serve our consumers, who are depending on our products more than ever to clean, cook and provide proper food and medicine storage in their homes, and we are working to ensure we can deliver.”

The $1,000 vaccine incentive by Whirlpool matches one launched earlier this summer by Vanguard, one of the world’s largest asset managers. Vanguard’s $1,000 incentive applies to the company’s roughly 16,500 US employees who show proof of vaccination by Oct. 1.

A number of other companies have offered more modest incentives to get vaccinated. Kroger has said vaccinated employees will get a one-time payment of $100, while Bolthouse Farms offered a $500 bonus.

by Anonymousreply 57October 5, 2021 3:46 AM

Research “absolutely” shows masking lowers Covid-19 outbreaks in schools, CDC director says

From CNN’s Virginia Langmaid)

Available data supports masking in schools to prevent Covid-19 and does not indicate that masking in school poses a risk to children, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Monday.

Responding to a question from NBC’s Hoda Kotb on whether there is anything about masking in schools parents should have a “real worry about,” Walensky said, “We have not seen any science that defends that point of view.”

“What I can say is that we’ve started to see even this month data from Los Angeles County, that rates in children are three and a half times higher in areas that have not practiced the mitigation strategies compared to those that are. So with the purpose of keeping our kids in school, getting them in school, having them be safe, masks really are the way to go," she said.

Walensky said data does show that masking in schools can reduce school closures.

“We have seen data after data that have demonstrated that schools that are not masking are closing because they’re having outbreaks. Schools from Georgia we saw last year had 37% less closure, less outbreaks, when they use masks,” she said.

“I would say that data actually absolutely show that masking decreases outbreaks in schools," she added.

by Anonymousreply 58October 5, 2021 3:47 AM

FDA scheduled meetings to discuss booster shots for Moderna and J&J

[quote] The Food and Drug Administration has announced three important October dates regarding booster shots and COVID-19 vaccines for kids.

[quote] On October 14, an advisory panel will discuss Moderna's request for booster shots for people ages 18 and older.

[quote] The next day, on October 15, the panel will discuss whether those who got the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine need a booster.

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by Anonymousreply 59October 5, 2021 3:37 PM

Vaccinated people who become infected with Delta are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts. But the protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot.

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by Anonymousreply 60October 5, 2021 5:23 PM

This Woman Could Be YOUR CHILD'S Teacher

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by Anonymousreply 61October 5, 2021 7:13 PM

[quote]ANTI-VAXX PROTESTER: Do you see all of these homeless people around. Are they dead in the street with COVID? Hell no. Why?

[quote]HOMELESS PERSON (walking by): Because I’m vaccinated you dumb fuck.

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by Anonymousreply 62October 6, 2021 3:26 PM

Chris Hayes Has A Feeling Tucker Carlson Might Be About To Quit Fox News

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by Anonymousreply 63October 7, 2021 2:42 AM

^ Oops....dammit

Chris Hayes Has A Feeling Tucker Carlson Might Be About To Quit Fox News

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by Anonymousreply 64October 7, 2021 2:43 AM

[quote] most people can't get boosters.

Not true. I made an appointment at my local CVS for the Moderna vaccine, walked in and the only question they asked was was it my first or second shot? I said first and they gave me the shot. (I was 5 1/2 months out from my original J&J vaccine but I didn’t mention that part.)

The previous day I had gone into a different pharmacy asking for a booster of Moderna, showed them my J&J vaccine card and they said no, it “wasn’t approved.” My takeaway: anyone can get a booster regardless of being technically ‘eligible,’ you just have to lie. (Actually I didn’t really LIE, I just omitted certain things. It was my first shot…of Moderna.)

by Anonymousreply 65October 7, 2021 4:16 AM

Why does C Hayes think Tucker might quit? In a nutshell, please. I refuse to watch that asshole.

by Anonymousreply 66October 7, 2021 4:39 AM

OMG

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by Anonymousreply 67October 7, 2021 6:14 AM

R67 That is really sad. Effective vaccines free for everyone, so many not used that Biden ended up sending them to countries that needed them (which was the right thing to do).

I'm amazed at the large number of stupid people who didn't get vaccinated. You only get one life....cherish it.

by Anonymousreply 68October 7, 2021 1:59 PM

R7

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by Anonymousreply 69October 7, 2021 2:23 PM

'This is rape': Protesters yell at parents walking with masked kids at school event

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by Anonymousreply 70October 8, 2021 7:04 PM

Madness.

[quote]Flag of Guatemala Big VICTORY! V⍺ccine opposers in a Guatemalan village captured two medical teams that arrived with C0VID-19 v⍺ccines. The wheels were lowered to cars, the exit road was blocked, refrigerators with v⍺ccines were destroyed, and doctors were locked up and threatened to burn.

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by Anonymousreply 71October 8, 2021 9:54 PM

R65, so do you now have 2 vaccine cards?

by Anonymousreply 72October 8, 2021 11:45 PM

Arizona Republicans Directing Federal COVID Funds ONLY To Schools Without Mask Mandates

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by Anonymousreply 73October 11, 2021 12:14 AM

R73 These youngsters look so cute; they don't look miserable at all. Little troopers!

by Anonymousreply 74October 11, 2021 12:17 AM

Update on the Moderna and J&J vaccine booster approval process.

Although the FDA will meet on Oct 14th and 15th to discuss the need for these boosters:

Reuters reports CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) will meet on Oct. 20 and Oct. 21 to make recommendations on booster doses of the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines. That's a week after the FDA committee will meet to discuss the need for boosters of the two vaccines, on Oct. 14 and Oct. 15.

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by Anonymousreply 75October 11, 2021 12:35 AM

What do the positive case, hospitalization, and death rates look like these days? Is Delta still raging? Are vaccinated people still getting breakthrough infections at alarming rates? I haven’t been keeping up with the latest data.

by Anonymousreply 76October 11, 2021 2:53 AM
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by Anonymousreply 77October 11, 2021 8:47 PM

For data lovers: Look how much the immune response to COVID-19 increased after a booster of the Pfizer vaccine in subjects with a median age of 67. The power of the immune system is awesome, even in older folks!

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by Anonymousreply 78October 12, 2021 12:04 AM

I got my flu vaccine over the weekend. Figured I'd get that now, while I can't yet get the covid booster, so there's time between the vaccines.

by Anonymousreply 79October 12, 2021 12:23 AM

Dr. Fauci reacts to potential FDA emergency use authorization for Covid-19 treatment

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by Anonymousreply 80October 12, 2021 12:27 AM

Thank you R77. So it looks like cases are “troughing”, with the worst of the Delta wave occurring the first week of September. It’s been a steady decline in case numbers since then.

by Anonymousreply 81October 12, 2021 12:47 AM

[quote]It’s been a steady decline in case numbers since then.

Except in the Midwest.

by Anonymousreply 82October 12, 2021 12:50 AM

R76. The majority of covid DEATHS in Vermont in September were VACCINATED.

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by Anonymousreply 83October 12, 2021 1:24 AM

The reason why the most deaths occurred among the vaccinated is because the state as whole is highly vaccinated. 88% of Vermonters have had at least one dose; 79% have had two doses. I’m guessing most of the people who died were elderly.

Guess what: when a population is ONE HUNDRED percent vaccinated, do you know how many of the deaths would be among the vaccinated? That’s right, 100%.

You’re an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 84October 12, 2021 1:27 AM

I don’t think R83 is capable of processing logic, R84.

by Anonymousreply 85October 12, 2021 1:28 AM

And wow, it was a whole THIRTY-THREE people who died of Covid in VT during the month of September? Wow, 33.

by Anonymousreply 86October 12, 2021 1:29 AM

R80 Dr. Fauci spoke in his usual, careful manner. The FDA and CDC deliberations will be interesting. If you look at the exclusion criteria in the Merck molnupiravir clinical trial protocols, there are certain criteria relating to sperms and eggs that are not common in trial protocols, e.g., they aren’t in vaccine clinical trial protocols. I’m not going to spell it out, but biomedical scientists and clinicians will know what it means.

by Anonymousreply 87October 12, 2021 2:13 AM

R84, Hey Genius -- these vaccines were supposed to prevent covid infection by NINETY-FIVE percent.

How'd that work out? Do you actually think getting another dose of a failed vaccine will help you?

You're the idiot.

by Anonymousreply 88October 12, 2021 2:58 AM

R88 just woke up from a six-month coma and hasn’t yet heard of the Delta variant.

by Anonymousreply 89October 12, 2021 3:01 AM

Also, the vaccine didn't reduce their hospital stay -- the other claim made for vaccinations -- unless you consider DEATH a good way of cutting your stay short.

by Anonymousreply 90October 12, 2021 3:01 AM

Hey dumbass at R88, the vaccines were developed before Delta came in to fuck everything up. No one ever claimed the vaccine would be invincible for every iteration of the virus from here and beyond. And you know who's to blame for the Delta, don't you? The people who refused to get vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 91October 12, 2021 3:01 AM

They did do that, R88, until Delta came along. So what?

by Anonymousreply 92October 12, 2021 3:02 AM

That is SO untrue R91, but keep telling yourself that. Unvaccinated people who've yes -- been infected -- are MORE immune to the delta variant.

Look it up.

by Anonymousreply 93October 12, 2021 3:03 AM

OMG, what a crock of shit! Are you brain damaged, or just MAGA?

by Anonymousreply 94October 12, 2021 3:05 AM

Gurls, I feel like I might have breakthrough Covid as I type!!! I'm 40, not a fat whore, very fit, not compromised, double vaxxed in May and live in LA with a mandatory vaccine/mask mandate. I was at the Dave Chapelle show at the Hollywood Bowl on Thursday which is an outdoor venue and it required vax certs to get in. I was walking back to my car in a packed crowd without a mask. I KNOW!! I have been so good throughout this entire thing. Saturday I started feeling off - very tired, but I had a long week last week so wrote it off. Saturday night were the sweats. Yesterday, it came and went. Today, I stayed in bed all day. What I feel like are the exact same symptoms of the vax. Low fever, tired, slept 9 hours last night. I am not coughing and I am starting to feel better. I'll get the test tomorrow so I know for sure. I'm just feeling tired and slightly feverish. I'm hoping that the vaccine is working. It feels like it is.

by Anonymousreply 95October 12, 2021 3:17 AM

I'm educated, R94. You might try it sometime. I swear this forced vaccination campaign WILL LOSE US THE ELECTION in 2024, not to mention lose the Senate and Congress in 2022.

Here's just one of several studies:

"Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity."

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by Anonymousreply 96October 12, 2021 3:18 AM

[quote]I swear this forced vaccination campaign WILL LOSE US THE ELECTION in 2024, not to mention lose the Senate and Congress in 2022.

Yes, Democrats should come out against the mandates a majority of Americans want, that’ll really improve their electoral chances.

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by Anonymousreply 97October 12, 2021 3:25 AM

R96's article... This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

by Anonymousreply 98October 12, 2021 3:33 AM

Despite not having anyone blocked, I can’t see the troll posts. (which I am fine with.). Who are the first and last authors on the preprint they are linking to?

by Anonymousreply 99October 12, 2021 9:56 AM

R99 Here’s a link to the manuscript. A small incremental contribution in my opinion because we already knew with earlier strains that infection can sometimes give stronger immune responses than two vaccinations, that is, assuming the individuals live, and possibly with Long COVID disability for the rest of their lives.

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by Anonymousreply 100October 12, 2021 10:20 AM

Thanks R100! Oh that article makes total sense. Many researchers have been saying for months that infection itself should count as one shot. And the conclusion of the article is that people who were previously infected and also vaccinated are the most protected.

by Anonymousreply 101October 12, 2021 11:05 AM

[quote]It’s been a steady decline in case numbers since then.

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by Anonymousreply 102October 12, 2021 12:15 PM

planning on getting my booster but I don't want to do it on a day where I have work, it's hard to schedule

by Anonymousreply 103October 12, 2021 12:27 PM

Other than writing English words, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

by Anonymousreply 104October 12, 2021 1:29 PM

^ ooops, wrong thread

by Anonymousreply 105October 12, 2021 1:31 PM

Not to worry r105,

[quote]Other than writing English words, I have no idea what you are trying to say

is a post perfectly suitable to every thread on the Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 106October 12, 2021 1:48 PM

For anyone who was worried, I got tested today and it was negative! Whoop whoop!!!!!

Your thoughts and prayers were well received!

PS - Everyone here should listen to Elderlez. She is a true Covid expert and not in the DL way, but in real life. She had great answers in all the Covid threads and I trust her over all you dumb whores.

by Anonymousreply 107October 12, 2021 11:34 PM

I am very happy for you R95/R107! I was worried since I know breakthrough infections are absolutely a possibility. I get very worried if I so much as get a tickle in my throat now. I think getting back to normal everyday colds is going to be a tough process.

And thanks for your kind works. I am not a scientist myself IRL, but it is my great honor and joy to be able to work with absolutely brilliant scientists and help them do their thing with my little area of bureaucratic expertise.

by Anonymousreply 108October 13, 2021 12:08 AM

To Elder Lez: can I ask what you do for a living? You are always so knowledgeable and well-informed about all of COVID. Just wondering...

by Anonymousreply 109October 13, 2021 12:29 AM

ElderLez is a nuclear physicist by trade. It says so on the first thread! Hello!?

by Anonymousreply 110October 13, 2021 2:47 AM

Well, r110, that's certainly a step up from honor student by day, Hollywood hooker by night.

by Anonymousreply 111October 13, 2021 2:52 AM

^ Thanks bitch.

by Anonymousreply 112October 13, 2021 2:56 AM

I flew today for the first time since Covid reared its ugly head. JetBlue, in Mint, in a row where there was only one seat.

I took an Uber Black to the airport. Driver was great, car was big enough that I felt safe. He kept his mask on the whole time and kept is window partially open and invited me to do the same. Checking bags and getting through security took five minutes. I sat in a different area of the airport than my gate so as to avoid people, but I saw a LOT of people without their masks or slung down under their noses.

Boarding was fine. The FAs warned everyone in advance that they were NOT on board to play and to please not give them any reason to bounce anyone off the flight. There was a pre-boarding announcement that they had not received any pillows or blankets for Mint and to please not take it out on the FAs, as it wasn't their fault. (At the last minute, they actually arrived).

I told my FA that I did not want anything to eat or drink and that I would likely just sleep most of the flight and not bother them. Both Mint FAs were incredibly nice. I felt like I was overdoing things (wearing gloves when I had to go to the restroom, etc) but two women who were in the row in front of me were wearing face shields, as well as masks, and they basically wiped down everything with Clorox wipes when they got to their seats.

Flight was uneventful. Baggage claim wasn't terrible, but again, lots of people with their masks pulled down. I hired a car to bring me into the city, so I waited to be picked up at the curb. Also uneventful and fine.

Got into the city and that's where it all went to shit. My AirBnB is a 3rd floor walkup and I had very heavy bags. I was huffing and puffing like crazy by the time I got to the last bag, and whatever oxygen I was inhaling like it was going out of style was leaking in and out of my masks everywhere. Then the host was still there, unmasked, and yakking up a storm. I had to take my mask off because I couldn't breathe at that point, and I was sweating like crazy. He left, I unpacked and showered, but all the precautions I take back home feel like they flew out the window in record time.

by Anonymousreply 113October 13, 2021 5:53 AM

Why would you do AirBnB with whatever scum of the earth might be sliming up the place up until the minute you arrive instead of using a reputable hotel chain where there's at least a decent chance that they've cleaned the place at this pointY

This is what is driving me crazy with all of this continuing. You can do everything right and then one little mistake and you're fucked. We should be allowed to start killing assholes who don't wear masks. It would make the human face a billion times better.

by Anonymousreply 114October 13, 2021 6:19 AM

Well, for one reason, I'm here for two months, it's not just a vacation, so I wanted an apartment with a kitchen. But I did consider a hotel suite with a kitchenette (The Pod Hotel on 42nd street has very nice ones) but then I thought- Maids will be coming in and out of the room on a daily basis, and I'll have to get lost when they come, and who knows what they have? And I'll have to ride up and down in the elevators on several occasions daily with all manner of tourist that may or may not be vaccinated. It seemed an AirBnB was the lesser risk.

by Anonymousreply 115October 13, 2021 6:25 AM

Actually I am a Hollywood Hooker Day, a nuclear physicist by night and an honor student every other Saturday.

When I try to explain what I do IRL to people often their eyes glaze over and they change the subject or the say “so you?” and I say “no” over and over again. My job is knowing things that allow scientists to get and keep funding while not doing anything wrong or bad.

by Anonymousreply 116October 13, 2021 10:06 AM

A noble endeavor ElderLez.

by Anonymousreply 117October 13, 2021 10:17 AM

Yesterday I had a crippling headache, body aches, chills, and eventually a fever from noon to about 3am. I feel mostly fine now, plus I've had a booster and an at-home Binax test was negative. But still....

Like EL said, it's much harder nowadays to think, "Guess it was food poisoning," shrug, and go about one's business.

by Anonymousreply 118October 13, 2021 12:22 PM

Glad you are better Sylvia!

by Anonymousreply 119October 13, 2021 12:53 PM

Thank you for all your COVID posts ElderLez. So grounded and thoughtful and full of loads of important information. You have provided a great public service to many of on the board.

by Anonymousreply 120October 13, 2021 1:35 PM

R113, where do you live that you can avoid all human contact the way it sounds like you do? I think you’re being a little too … paranoid about this. I’m not saying you should feel comfortable having a stranger spit down your throat or anything, but lots of us here in NYC have ridden the subway (even when the train cars are crowded), taken Ubers, been around unmasked people, etc., and have not gotten sick.

I’ve been fully vaccinated since May, never had Covid, haven’t gotten a breakthrough infection, shop in supermarkets (even unmasked when that was briefly a thing, pre-Delta!), and take about 2 dozen subway rides every week.

Gloves while using the bathroom on an airplane??

by Anonymousreply 121October 13, 2021 4:49 PM

NYC's numbers and mask-wearing compliance are much better than many other areas of the country, R121. We all have to make individual safety judgments based on a whole confluence of factors. I wouldn't wear gloves in a bathroom -- but I also wouldn't get on a plane.

by Anonymousreply 122October 13, 2021 4:56 PM

I am immunocompromised, R121, so I have to be more careful.

by Anonymousreply 123October 13, 2021 4:56 PM

Thanks for the travel report R113, I have a trip scheduled for January, NYC to LA. I also booked my seat on Jet Blue Mint, in a single-seat row. Glad to hear that other passengers were taking precautions and that the flight staff were helpful. I think I will also wait for the flight in an area away from the gate. This is my first airplane trip since Nov 2019, and I had long been debating whether I should do it.

by Anonymousreply 124October 13, 2021 5:22 PM

TX-Based Companies To Follow Federal Vaccine Mandate, Defy Abbott's Executive Order

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by Anonymousreply 125October 13, 2021 6:13 PM

[quote]Africa may have some degree of innate immunity against the virus.

Or the virus is racist.

by Anonymousreply 126October 13, 2021 6:19 PM

It never stops:

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by Anonymousreply 127October 13, 2021 6:43 PM

there was a study where they found that if you have the neanderthal gene, you are less likely to die from covid.

by Anonymousreply 128October 13, 2021 7:03 PM

R124, I'm glad I could help. I'm a regular on this thread, so if any other questions pop up about JetBlue before you leave, ask away. I'll see them.

by Anonymousreply 129October 13, 2021 8:12 PM

A conservative “friend”/ acquitance posted this on Twitter today :

“More than 2x as many lives are lost each day with COVID than last year, pre-vaccine. Biden's record on COVID has been an abject failure.”

This cannot be true and would love a way to shove it in his face how wrong and ignorant he is. Any help is appreciated. I tried googling to get numbers as proof and coming up short on how to compare numbers from this year to last years. He probably heard it from Ben Shapiro or some GOP shitstain.

by Anonymousreply 130October 14, 2021 2:00 AM

R130, it might be true because of Delta but without the vaccines it would have been 10x. These people are too stupid to understand nuance or, ya know, math so I really wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him.

by Anonymousreply 131October 14, 2021 2:04 AM

Interesting article from this past Saturday, with experts making their best guesses (or not) about the rest of the fall and winter for Covid in the US.

[quote]”Barring something unexpected, I’m of the opinion that this is the last major wave of infection,” Gottlieb told The New York Times this week.

What does Datalounge think?

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by Anonymousreply 132October 14, 2021 2:54 AM

R132, it's basically saying, "I'm of the opinion this might be the last wave unless, ya know, it's not." So, they are saying nothing. It would be fitting if the Omega variant wiped out humanity.

by Anonymousreply 133October 14, 2021 3:17 AM

I'm waiting for the variant Vance.

by Anonymousreply 134October 14, 2021 3:29 AM

A friend of mine attended a golf tournament in Arkansas a few weeks ago, they were giving flu and covid injections so she got both injections. She said she felt fine afterwards and as usual her golf game sucked.

by Anonymousreply 135October 14, 2021 7:00 AM

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by Anonymousreply 136October 14, 2021 7:05 AM

R113 here. I went out last night in NYC to meet my co-worker for an outdoor dinner and then a friend for coffee (also outdoors). When I was getting ready to leave the apartment I'm staying in, I was actually shaking, and I had to sit and calm myself for a minute. I was really surprised at the reaction. Walking in the streets with a mask on is not pleasant. Very sweaty (also my body was adjusting to the humidity). Had my mask off throughout dinner and also coffee, but kept it on while walking the streets. Also stopped in to a drug store to do some shopping (another first, not counting my Covid vaxes).

All in all, I felt okay and I was actually happy to be out and about and social. And I ran into a good number of people on the street I hadn't seen in ages (the theater district on a Wednesday) and for a short time it felt like it did B.C. It really lightened me in a way that I haven't felt in a very long while. Of course, now I have to strap on the mask again today and go into an indoor meeting, and tonight I have to go to a theater gathering (for work) indoors, so who knows how I'll be. I just worry that I'll get careless and BOOM! Covid City.

Thank you for listening. : )

by Anonymousreply 137October 14, 2021 2:48 PM

Here in Ireland all legal restrictions are expected to be lifted by October 22nd. This has already happened in the UK (where I went to a packed club night, without masks, several weeks ago).

The university where I teach still requires students to wear masks and socially distance by 1metre at least but next week is expected to be the last week we will do this.

We can do this because over 90% of the eligible population chose to be vaccinated.

So, for me I think it is nearly over, barring some awful new variant. It's been a very hard road and cost me one close family member., as well as over a year of my rapidly vanishing youth. Very pleased to see the back of this awful time.

Also, I'm going to a sex party this weekend so yay.

by Anonymousreply 138October 14, 2021 2:54 PM
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by Anonymousreply 139October 14, 2021 6:33 PM

R138, do you need to show vaccination proofs for indoor dining/bars etc?

by Anonymousreply 140October 14, 2021 7:09 PM

R140, right at this moment, yes, but again I expect that to be finished by Oct 22nd.

Mind you when I had my staycation in Donegal in July they just asked me whether I was vaccinated and got me to write my details on a piece of notepaper so enforcement is not exactly uniformly strong.

by Anonymousreply 141October 14, 2021 7:12 PM

There is the fact that hospitals are seeing fewer cases in some areas. And rates of vaccination are up. The biggest misinformation out there is in Asian and Latino communities.

by Anonymousreply 142October 14, 2021 7:18 PM

The FDA Panel that met today said this about the Moderna booster, per the NYT-

[quote]A key advisory committee to the Food and Drug Administration voted unanimously on Thursday to recommend a booster shot of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine for many of the vaccine’s recipients, at least six months after a second dose.

[quote] The panel endorsed a half-dose as a third injection for people 65 and older as well as younger adults at high risk because of their medical conditions or jobs, the same groups of people who became eligible for a Pfizer-BioNTech booster last month. While regulators are not obligated to follow the panel’s recommendations, they typically do.

[quote] Although committee members decried the lack of more robust data justifying a booster shot, several emphasized that F.D.A. had already sent a precedent by authorizing additional shots on an emergency basis for many recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

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by Anonymousreply 143October 14, 2021 7:33 PM

Asian communities, R142? That’s a new one.

by Anonymousreply 144October 14, 2021 7:54 PM

My sister asked me if I wanted to visit for the weekend. She has had covid, and has also been double-vaxed with Moderna. So one could say that she's triple vaxed. I'm double-vaxed with Pfizer. So, this should be safe, right?

by Anonymousreply 145October 14, 2021 10:09 PM

R138 is gonna end up with something besides Covid. LOL

by Anonymousreply 146October 14, 2021 10:38 PM

Prior covid + vaccination is supposed to afford the greatest protection, R145.

by Anonymousreply 147October 14, 2021 11:42 PM

Finally! Biden will lift travel restrictions for ALL vaccinated foreign visitors on November 8 - 18 months after they were put in place

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by Anonymousreply 148October 15, 2021 1:26 PM

TSA says 40 percent of workforce unvaccinated ahead of November deadline

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by Anonymousreply 149October 15, 2021 1:26 PM

A Transportation Security Administration (TSA) official said in an interview published on Wednesday that 40 percent of the TSA's workforce remains unvaccinated ahead of a Nov. 22 deadline set by the Biden administration.

Speaking to CNN, TSA Administrator David Pekoske said he was "very hopeful" that his agency's employees would meet the deadline, but said that "contingency plans" were in development in case some employees are unable to work who are not vaccinated in time.

"We have about 60 percent of our workforce has been vaccinated, that that number needs to go quite a bit higher over the next few weeks," Pekoske told CNN. "We are building contingency plans for if we do have some staffing shortages as a result of this, but I hope to avoid that."

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is administered three weeks apart, leaving workers a bit of leeway, unless they decide to instead get the one-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. CNN noted the latest possible date that federal employees can get the Pfizer vaccine is Oct. 18.

In a memo sent out earlier this month, the the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) said federal agencies could begin enforcing the vaccine mandate beginning on Nov. 9 for employees who are still not vaccinated.

"Employees who refuse to be vaccinated or provide proof of vaccination are subject to disciplinary measures, up to and including removal or termination from Federal service," OPM Director Kiran Ahuja said. "The only exception is for individuals who receive a legally required exception pursuant to established agency processes."

by Anonymousreply 150October 15, 2021 1:27 PM

The fucking holiday travel season is gonna fucked up!!! Plus the airlines have their own deadline, also just around thanksgiving...

by Anonymousreply 151October 15, 2021 1:28 PM

Thank you r143, I missed that news

by Anonymousreply 152October 15, 2021 1:34 PM

Russia if a mess. Only 27% of the population is fully vaccinated and a father 5% have had one shot. I know there are suspicions in relation the the Russian vaccine but by all accounts it is highly affected (the rumour is that the Russians stole the AZ specs).

The big problem is that people don't trust Putin and are won't get vaccinated for that reason. It is hard to blame them as the Russian vaccine is very effective put Putin has such a shitty record.

They hit their highest deadly deaths yesterday of 998. There are also well over 400,00 excess deaths.

by Anonymousreply 153October 15, 2021 1:41 PM

moderna vaccine for adolescents delayed according to WSJ

by Anonymousreply 154October 15, 2021 4:33 PM

Jen Psaki humiliates Ted Cruz with one single comment

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by Anonymousreply 155October 15, 2021 10:39 PM

R148, you don't see the big gaping hole in that logic?

by Anonymousreply 156October 16, 2021 4:54 AM

[quote] the big gaping hole

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 157October 16, 2021 7:52 AM
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