Canada election results— live thread

Liberals have 1 elected so baring a majority for a party, Trudeau will get first dibs on forming the government

Thanks, OP.

How goes the vote in Nunavut?

Libs up in Newfoundland, b'y.

R1 As the incumbient PM, Trudeau always had the first right to try and form a government. He doesn't stop being PM until he submits his resignation to the Governor General.

Steady voting in Toronto when I was there mid afternoon. No significant delays.

Oh boy, the Libs are struggling in Newfoundland. Not good.

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Does anyone know if the early numbers are going to be the advanced polls? Cons were believed to have done better on those.

Is Trudeau mixed race?

Those will counted tonight, R9. Mail in tomorrow.

Conservative vote way up in Atlantic Canada. Not a good sign.

R12 Yeah this is going to be close BUT remember tonight's results won't include mail in ballots which supposedly favour the liberals.

It's over. Libs should be way, way, way stronger in Atlantic.

Yeah CBC is saying very possibly we won't know the result until tomorrow

Four Liberal incumbents out already. Not good at all.

But what does it's over mean? I think it could be a reduced minority but I don't see any evidence it's necessarily going to turn out to be a car crash.

Poor weather midget Scott Sims! Quelle nuit!

Liberals down 2 seats in the Atlantic so far...Cons up 4. NDP and Greens so far have lost their seats.......

The Liberals need like 30 seats in the Atlantic.

Scott Simms

Bernadette Jordon

Lenore Zann

all out already.

The Cons are picking up, all other parties, including the Liberals, are losing seats, R17.

R18 It's very close in that riding .. I suspect Sims will win when the mail ballots are counted.

Green collapse is complete in Atlantic Canada. They're a fringe/protest parking lot now.

Before everyone freaks out....it is somewhat expected that Cons will appear to over perform tonight and then dip when the mail in votes are counted. Cons had a 7 point lead in the advanced polls.

R21. I agree. I just wanted to type weather midget.

CBC is saying turn out way lower than 2019....this could cost the Libs the election............

What is the basis for the believe the mailings are going to support the liberals?

The Libs are OVER. OMG. I'm freaking out. I slam Trudeau sometimes, but I didn't actually want them to lose. JFC.

R23, there's not a huge amount of mail in. Like 1 million for the whole country. Spread that out over 338 ridings.

The other thing that depresses me this early in the proceedings is the emergence of the People's party as not putting on a bad show. I really had hoped that the vast majority of Canadians would be too embarrassed to ever vote for people like that. Maybe it to is just a protest/parking lot vote but it's still disappointing to me to see that.

this will be decided in Ontario. too many tips to the conservatives and there is trouble coming.

Could Cons can get a majority?

I don't think so, R32. But wow, the Liberals aren't doing well so far. Yikes.

Hold me, David!

Trudeau must invade St. Pierre et Miquelon TONIGHT! Everybody loves a war time leader.

I wish the NPD became a bigger deal.

(can) get

Yes, R34!!

Éric Grenier on his live YouTube chat right now saying right now looking like a reduced Liberal minority BUT the Cons are over performing in Atlantic Canada right now.

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[quote]Trudeau must invade St. Pierre et Miquelon TONIGHT! Everybody loves a war time leader.

Can we get him to invade the Dakotas instead?

I like Minority Governments.

That said : follow along live here. Québec polls closing... still a couple of hours left voting in BC. Check in very once in awhile to see how the Bloc is doing.

What about Seamus O'Reagan?

R40 Éric Grenier is saying that the mail in ballots will probably only make a difference in less than 15 riding

Can't R41. Biden kept the border closed. We have to be polite, eh?

So Scott Simms is officially out. Yikes.

R43... CBC has called his riding for him.

Thanks, R47.

R u sure Simms is out?

R49 Seems that way....Cons are leading by well over 1000 votes and only 1100 mail in ballots in this riding........

Yup.. 17 years down the drain. Good work, Justin.

Wow. If the Newfies are voting Con, then that's something. Shit.

It seems that a significant number of Green voters have moved to the Conservatives in the Atlantic provinces.

Did O’Toole say that he would end CRB or CERB or whatever it is called?

So gross. I can't even think of PM O'Toole.

I have a really bad feeling about Ontario right now.......

This is true.

Same, R56. I don't think he's going to get a minority. O'Toole spent the last few days in the GTA. Maybe a smart move.

R57 Even if Trudeau wins tonight, his political career is effectively over. He had to win a majority to survive this politically.

Yup, R59.

The bright side for me is that if the NDP do poorly, the NDP might make Singh step down.

I dislike Singh too. He behaves like a clown. He is not a serious person. He is more like a camp counsellor.

Interestingly, the Liberal popular vote in Atlantic Canada is actually up but Conservative vote is more efficient and slightly higher than the polls were showing.

O'Toole might be the only leader to survive as a result of this election even if he doesn't win the election...Cons are making seat gains in areas they didn't even really campaign in.

CBC still calls 57% chance of a Liberal minority.

Let's get real....we will know nothing until we start seeing ON and PQ.

Run roh

Ontario polls just closed....hold me mary.

MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole country except BC have just had their polls closed......here we go people

soooo LIbs 34 Cons 12, BQ 2 NDP 1

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Singh on CBC watching results....he doesn't look happy......

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So far TERRIBLE night for the NDP

Good, R74.

Still not enough results from SW Ontario yet to breath easy.

Riding? I'd like to ride Trudeau.

He's a bottom, R77.

BC polls closed.

Holy shit. NDP might take Kenora.

Cons are leading in some GTA ridings but GTA ridings may come down to mail in ballots more than in other parts in the country.

I voted by mail for NDP

Libs leading in over 100 ridings right now..............still clenching

But Cons picking up steam....and we haven't got to Sask/Alberta/BC yet.

Liberals leading in over 130 seats....still 101 unreported.

Why is Liam Neeson on the CBC?

CTV just called it for the Liberals.

CBC as well.

CBC Called it!!!

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Liberals are over 40% in the popular vote

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I was hoping this Eric Grenier would be some cutie with a thick Quebecois accent and it turns out he's a dullard - I'm sure he knows his stuff but he's like watching paint dry.

Eric's great. Very reliable.

CTV just called it a Liberal minority.

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So all that teeth clenching was for nothing…whew!

Lori Idlout, of the NDP, is ahead with 51 percent of the vote (797 votes) in Nunavut aka the true north of the true north strong and free.

A brief profile of Lori from the Nunavut News:

Liberal numbers holding up well in Québec.

Yup we can unclench now Canadian DLers.

Liberal minority with NDP holding the balance of power.

So is the Toole going to resign?

R103 I don't he's going to resign tonight but I think there's going to be a battle within the conservative party. The far right of the party is going to gang up and try to regain control.

Trudeau is weakened for sure.

For sure, R104. Trudeau needs to go before the next election.

Hopefully Trudeau doesn’t fuck up too badly this time

100% this is Trudeau's last election. Still no Liberal seats in Alberta or Sask.

Green Leader is in 4th place in Toronto Centre LOL

The future of all the three major party leaders is in the air.

This is Singh's second loss. The NDP always claim they're running to form government. He should be given the boot.

I'll bet that more than anyone Singh will be bitching about line ups to vote. He'll try and spin that angle more than the Cons.

As in 2019, Cons appear likely to win the popular vote.

Conservatives needs to start pushing for electoral reform

What does Regina rhyme with?

Fuck the CBC and FUCK JT.

Clearly, this cuntry is getting the government it truly fucking deserves. Again.

R114, are you now NDP or Green?

r90 Excellent news!!

My mussy is wet for Trudeau at the voting station today

This election at this time seemed so pointless.

And I feel bad for the Elections Canada staff. It's like they were given 50,000 more tasks to do this election - on top of the pandemic.

r117 Is the precum heavily flowing?!

I wonder what the voter turnout will be in the end. I heard so many stories of line-ups in Toronto, plus the general apathy of voters, plus the pandemic, I am sure it will be a poor turnout.

I don't like O'Toole but he was out there campaigning, he was visible.

Trudeau and especially Singh just phoned it in. Singh's ads were basically him criticizing Trudeau. He had no platform, no slogan, no message. Very disappointing as I veer towards NDP.

If you’re a conservative you’re a fuckng idiot. And likely an incel sociopath.

R120 CBC was speculating that it was very low voter turnout.

Why do Canadians call voting districts risings? A remnant of their subservience to Britain?

Sorry, meant ridings

I don't understand O'Toole's message, "we're not your fathers/grandfathers Conservative party." That's right. My grandfather was a Joe Clark fan. Joe Clark wasn't a right-wing loser like today's cons.

Wow O'Toole is all but presenting hole to try and keep the leadership.

[quote] Wow O'Toole is all but presenting hole to try and keep the leadership.

Will Trudeau present hole to keep his leadership?

Holy fuck, he's terrible, R126. I can't stand him.

R123 Because Canada is a parliamentary democracy (a system that predates America) and parliamentary democracies call them ridings. And Canada has not been subservient to Britain since since 1931.

Basically what this was was a plea to keep him as leader because there will be an election sooner rather than later in a minority.

Rosemary Barton on CBC was NOT having O'Toole's speech LOL

Lmfao

And the knives for O'Toole are already out

I grudgingly admit that Singh's speech is good.

I saw it all from my porch!

Ouch......

This is a really shitty speech by Trudeau.

Not even acknowledging that basically nothing has changed since 2019.

so just reading up on this election now

what's the big takeaway?

[quote] Ouch......

Jagmeet Singh is on track to win less seats in English Canada than Tom Mulcair did in 2015 for the second time in a row. Resign, for the good of the party

Fewer!

Flat, cliched, brief speech. He'll last a year and then announce. This was all for nothing. He's arguably weakened the party for next time. And that cloying, hammy diction.

Double ouch

Good job, Justin. It's all about you, baby!

R111 The Conservatives won something like 34% of the popular vote and the Liberals about 33% or thereabouts.

16 % voted for the NDP which is further to the Left than the Liberals.

The Bloc Québécois coming in at 8% define themselves as Centre -Left -again to the left of the Federal Liberals.

Add the 6% who vote Green and one can see about 60% of the Canadian voters are reluctant to vote for the Cons.

Maxime Bernier the Former Conservative minister who led the FAR right People's Party of Canada was defeated in his own riding of Beauce, Québec. The PPC garnered almost 2%.

Great news! Trudeau is still the PM. Well done Canada for electing a progressive. All Scandinavian countries are now run by social democrats. Add Canada electing a Liberal and Germany most likely electing a social democrat in a week. Things are looking good.

[quote] And that cloying, hammy diction.

In English and French.

correction: PPC received the 6% and the Greens the 2%

^ ?

His French is much less annoying than his English, so all my bilingual friends say.

Losing three cabinet ministers is not good.

No one is surprised at Jordon losing. That shit with the fishers vs the Miꞌkmaq was never going to end well.

Did Champagne win? He's on my future Liberal leader list.

he did.

R149 Justin had a speech impediment as a child and it's much more noticeable when he speak English.

R144 I suspect when the mail in ballots are counted tomorrow, the Liberals will have narrowly won the popular vote.

Singh really dropped the ball. This could have been a good opportunity to win new voters. But his campaign was so lazy.

[quote] Justin had a speech impediment as a child and it's much more noticeable when he speak English.

What type of impediment?

Not so sure. When the results come in with virtually nothing changed it says to me people were just not in the mood for this. He's got one more kick at the can. His problem will be they'll be a new liberal leader by then.

The polls were pretty accurate this time. I thought the BQ would drop a few seats, but, as it turned out, this election was 2019's identical twin.

So... most countries in Europe now have social democrat leaders.... Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Spain, Portugal, hopefully Germany soon. And Canada will continue with a Liberal leader. WTF is the UK doing? Why can't Labour win there? It's odd.

R159, Labour is an inept and corrupt party which means it can’t even use the spoils of its corruption to achieve or even contend for electoral victory in any coherent manner. If the nation as a whole had proper inclination and senses it would select the boring Liberal Democrats.

Even I, an American, saw this coming for months.

Most polls had CPC up by only 1-2%. That was never gonna be enough to unseat Trudeau.

Trudeau & Singh are like frenemies. NDP would rather die than work with conservatives.

UKIP...I mean...PPC also pulled voters away from the cons. LOL

Is Mr Black Face on the way out?

No, he's all the way in.

[quote]No, he's all the way in.

Pics please.

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R165 That article posted was about how the left is sweeping to power across Europe. It's a great read, despite The Independent.

R165 That article posted was by a Laborite Irishman who was in charge of the mass rapes at Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal.

Yes, that Irishman at R165 was supposed to representing Rotherham until he was sacked for rorting the system and claiming false expenses.

He turned a blind eye to all the rapes because he wanted to support the rapists and "not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat".

Macshane is one of the most corrupt men in Britain.

Trudeau called an expensive and unnecessary election in the middle of a pandemic because of his inflated ego, sure he would get a majority.

He's short of one again, the Conservatives didn't do nearly as badly as assumed, on 122 seats, and Trudeau will still have to fight for his agenda.

He should have paid attention to what happened to Theresa May.

This photo is so funny (don't bother reading the rubbish article though).

[quote] This photo is so funny

Which photo are you taking about, R170? The smirking photo or the hypocrite's photo?

R169 Can he get support for his politics with NDP? If he has a majority with NDP I don't see a huge problem as they agree on most issues.

[quote]Conservatives didn't do nearly as badly as assumed

R169 WTF are you talking about? The Cons led in the polls the entire time.

According to this, Liberals have a minority BUT have enough seats together with NDP to get the votes needed on a case by case basis. I don't see the problem here as the two agree on most issues.

I’m loving the conservative meltdown in this thread who just KNEW Justin was DONE. We had to read about it for over a year. Log Cabin mental cases and Borises are always wrong. FUCK YOU weak pieces of SHIT.

R172 Then why call the election in the first place?

[quote] FUCK YOU weak pieces of SHIT

Yes, R175, we prefer strong pieces!

R107, the Liberals actually did win a seat in Alberta (in Calgary), and are leading in a second one (in Edmonton).

(And the Liberals also picked up several Conservative seats in British Columbia).

Did they win that seat in Winnipeg?

R179, the Liberals won 4 seats in Winnipeg and are narrowly trailing in a 5th.

Thanks, R180. I think the NDP won some there too. Weird how they're different than Calgary, Edmonton, regina. Different for a prairie city anyway.

Yes, R181. The NDP won 2 seats in Winnipeg.

What was most significant was the way the Liberals and the NDP each took away Conservative seats in Alberta.

That's great news, R182.

Calling an early election to court personal attacks, new controversies, and lose your party a seat is certainly a choice! Congratulations?

Current election results:

Liberals: 158

Conservatives: 119

BQ: 34

NDP: 25

Greens: 2

OK, so when does Jason Kenney resign? This week?

BBQ for the win!

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Maybe that was her intent, R188? She's a conservative cunt after all.

R188, I don't know if the BQ would have fallen that low, but they certainly wouldn't have ended up with 34. They would have been in the mid to high-20's.

It probably did cost the Liberals a couple of seats in Quebec, but she may have also hurt the Conservatives because they don't seem to be gaining any new seats in Quebec, either.

R184 Quoi? So far, the Liberals are on track to gain a seat.

It was a total waste of time and money, Miss cunty Trudeau

I love how every election slaps back some annoying overhyped Tory back into the oblivion! Who's their next "great white hope"?

R193, when one gets slapped back into oblivion, they usually don't pick up an additional seat from the previous election.

Oh, come on... one seat is a rounding error, not vindication. How desperate to lick Trudeau's ass can you get.

Gone in twelve months.

So the NDP spent 25 million to pick up two seats? Is someone going to ask TikTok Singh about that?

R195, you do not know what the meaning of “slapped into oblivion” means at all. It means LOSING BIG. Now, please explain how Trudeau lost? Use math.

[quote]Liberals have a minority BUT have enough seats together with NDP to get the votes needed on a case by case basis. I don't see the problem here as the two agree on most issues.

Pros

- They worked reasonably well before (which was part of the reason everybody with a brain though the election was so self-serving) and are usually closer in view than apart - The NDP is broke. It spend $25M on the campaign and mortgaged the office it owns downtown Ottawa. That's a big war chest to rebuild in a quick time frame and the usual life of a minority is eighteen months. - Trudeau (or the next leader) cannot threaten a new election. This one sent a message. The Liberal government needs to be brought down by the House (to blame the others) or go four years. That will make the Liberals nervous. You don't want it to go too well. Every party wants a majority. - The Conservatives may get involved in an ugly leadership campaign a year from now, when the mandated leadership review is held. If O'Toole goes, it all starts over. Makes it possible for Parliament to just hum along.

Cons

- the NDP campaigned hard left on tax the rich. Canada's rich aren't America's rich. There's always the risk concessions to the NDP on tax go too far... and Liberal base is wide and moderate. They may find it hard to find agreement on some issues. But as the Liberals can't threaten a new election, the other parties better have a damn good reason to send us back to the polls too soon. - The Liberal whispering campaign against Trudeau will begin, weakening him further. The ambitious will be sharpening their knives or choosing their horses. The NDP can just sit back and enjoy the show. - political impulses. The bad judgment that made the Liberals ask for a majority flows through every party. Impatience, frustration, power hunger, ego... these things tend not to sit patiently when it's so easy to bring down a government. Trudeau shouldn't have called this one, obviously, but he did. No other politician is immune to illogic either. - If the Conservatives do get a new leader he or she may be particularly vulnerable to the desire to go to the polls.

I think the Liberal strategy will be to choose two or three major pieces of legislation they can tweak with the NDP and move them forward slowly, buying time until there is a leadership contest within the Liberals. There is no basis to believe Trudeau can put lightning in a bottle where his popularity is concerned. Minority government is tricky... it can't work too well or it's hard to argue you need a majority, without a major policy platform robust like Chretien's first Red Book. Bring on the vote too soon and you're saddled with 'Canadians are going to the polls again...' The pundits all agree one of Trudeau's major failings was his inability to make a convincing argument for this call at this time. If O'Toole hadn't screwed up on the vaccine file and guns, things might have been very different when you look at what Atlantic Canada did.

R197, he didn't go into this to come out with another minority, dependent on the NDP.

If that's victory to you, you must have a low bar.

R197 is right. Trudeau spent time, effort, money, and a great deal of political capital in order to maintain the staus quo. If that isn't winning, I don't know what is!!!

R199, I didn’t say he was victorious, I said he wasn’t slapped into oblivion. Again, please use math. Btw, if you get more of anything than your opponent, that means victory. Unless one can’t count.

It isn't a question of math, it's a question of physics.

Momentum or movement. Or in this case lack of either.

R202, what the fuck? 2 is more than 1. Today Trudeau won. He WON. Who even knows what will happen tomorrow or a year from now?

LOL - great one seat improvements in electoral history.... LOL

Win: .”Win is defined as to finish first or be the most successful at something. An example of to win is a runner being the first to cross the finish line in a race.”

No one cares what your definition of win is, r204. It’s wrong.

As a matter of curiosity, R203, how then do we characterise the loss of three cabinet ministers in this march to won?

I put it in the same bucket as a gain of a seat r206. It doesn’t really matter. A win is a win.

And no one cares about your wounded feelings R207 or emotional over investment in a man who doesn't know who are you and will never fuck you, no matter how powerful your attachment or imagination. I will leave you alone now. Obviously a hard day for someone like you. Myself, I'm feeling good. We have a Liberal government and we'll be seeing the back end of Trudeau in the not so distant future. The land is strong.

Learn math, r208. It really is a necessity in life. From CBC:

“Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has won enough seats in this 44th general election to form another minority government — with voters signalling Monday they trust the incumbent to lead Canada through the next phase of the pandemic fight by handing him a third mandate with a strong plurality.”

Yes, yes, dear. Back to your fanfic.

Minority governments are sort of becoming the norm. In the last 20 years there have been seven elections and only two majorities.

By the math, if a minority lasts on average eighteen months and Trudeau keeps "winning" in landslides of one seat, he'll be in majority territory in... eighteen years.

Math enough for ya?

Fiction=not real=r210.

Nonfiction=158>119>34>25>2

See? It’s easy.

Who cares, r212? He’ll be leading for 18 more years by then.

R213, please stay obsessed with Trudeau. I'm not a mental health professional.

Wow! The NDP appear to have been shut out of Toronto!

Hah r215, as I said, I’m not even Canadian. And I’m not Trudeau obsessed, I’m just very liberal and I’m happy when conservatives lose. Which they did. Woohoo!

R216, I'd bet that was strategic voting. Provincially, downtown is pretty heavily NDP and City Council is loaded with them. CBC pointed out last night the urban centres of Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver are Liberal strongholds. I can't remember the last time my riding wasn't Liberal federally. I didn't vote because I didn't want to appear to support JT, who I think isn't up to the top job, but I knew my MP wasn't anywhere near risk.

In O'Toole's speech last night he was banging on about how open and inclusive the CPC is and everyone is welcome. There have not been any challenges in parliament to prove just how open the CPC is. Equal marriage is a long done deal. Abortion will never be revisited. Immigration is what has built Canada. O'Toole can talk about how inclusive the CPC is but when one of their candidates knocks on my door and she says, "I tolerate your lifestyle" that tells me all I need to know about their inclusiveness.

^ Did she actually say that?

Yes. He was saying whether you're LGBTQ or straight, whether you're First Nations, just arrived in Canada five weeks ago or you're family has been here for five generations, whether you're well off or struggling. He said the CPC can't be a party of the past but can learn from it. He's trying very hard to erase the fact that the CPC was born from a Reform party take over of the PC Party and it's only existence was to remove any equality Canadians once had.

[quote]In O'Toole's speech last night he was banging on about how open and inclusive the CPC is and everyone is welcome.

O'Toole said this, I said the rest.

A woman I've known for decades told me she voted for the CPC candidate. She says she's tired of the gov't telling her what to do and we no longer have any freedom. Apparently if she doesn't want a vaccine she shouldn't have to get one and she should be able to travel where she wants when she wants. According to her we live in China not Canada. When I pointed out that if she lived in China she wouldn't have a choice of who to vote for and would not be able to complain about the gov't she stared at me with a blank look.

I live in Winnipeg and I think that the Conservatives under a pragmatic-seeming socially liberal leader like O’Toole should do better in Winnipeg’s suburban belt ridings than they did, especially since everyone is angry at Trudeau for calling this election.

But the pandemic has really soured Winnipeggers against the governing provincial Conservative party led until recently by Brian Pallister, who sailed into re-election with a big majority in 2019 and whose name is now mud, and more troublingly really highlighted the shocking cultural differences between us and much of rural southern Manitoba, which really has shown itself to be a hotbed of far-right lunacy and the most vaccine-resistant part of the country.

This is something I believe and that surfaced in a lot of the post game commentary: The Liberals are vulnerable to the accusation of arrogance (that speaks for itself) and the Conservatives, since Harper and the unification of the two strains of Conservatism) are vulnerable to issues of trust. O'Toole flip flopped, which isn't the worse sin, but he also completely failed on a tough, sensible stance on COVID and vaccines (he wouldn't even make his candidates be vaccinated) and then he went off on that tangent about guns that really hurt. And there you are, back at can we trust them? I think in the end the Conservatives will settle for being opposition forever... they can't seem to get comfortable with the centre.

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There is one constant: 60% of Canadian voters continued to vote Liberal or even further Left.

Conservatives are all pissy about the cost and the lack of change.

CPC's problem is with the way Canadians voted and wouldn't have given two shits about the $$$ if the outcome was they way they had hoped.

Conservatives are desperate to distract from their FAILURE to come up with policies that would appeal to voters enough to give them a chance at governing.

So voters bit their tongues and stuck with Trudeau and the Liberals.

Bottom line: How great is it that an election can be called and just over 35 days later its all over- the results are in - paper ballots, all those pencils and all.

Just watched a clip Justin Trudeau was struggling to say "LGBTQ+" instead he floundered with "LGDP...uh, LGT, uh, LG (sigh)... LGBTQ+."

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Well, these days, he may have panicked over whether or not new letters or symbols had been added.

R229 All the more reason to go back to GAY. Lesbians and gay men are both technically gay. Bisexuals fall under the umbrella when they are in GAY relationships. Queer means straight these days. Asexuals are not oppressed and trans people suffer from gender dysphoria which is very different from being same sex attracted. I say drop LGBT. Stick with gay. Trans can create their own organizations.

He didn't hesitate after the letter "Q" or even "T". He struggled right after the "G" which is irrevocably fucked up. Canadians elected this ignorant, racist man to be their PM?

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R231 Oh, PLEASE. I wish things, when it comes to a long history of gay rights movement, were that simple. Lesbians haven't been labelled as "gay" for decades. When people discuss gay, the word typically refers and encompasses exclusively to "gay men". Lesbians and gays are viewed as two different groups of people.

And I'm pretty sure a number of gay men, even of today's generation, wouldn't be much thrilled to be mingled with lesbians.

An update. Nunavutians have elected Lori Idlout, of the NDP, with 3,277 votes (48 percent). Nunavut has a population of aboot 40,000.

Why not, r234?

Say whatever you like, nobody cares.

To the vast majority of the world it's LGBT and that's the way it will stay.

YAY! for NuNuVut!

My sister asked me how many times the Libs were threatened with a confidence vote by the other parties or if they brought forth any confidence vote issues themselves. I didn't know the answer. Anyone have that info?

How is O'Toole celebrating becoming Scheer V.2.0? Is his beard fucking him up the ass with a big strap on?

Lmfao, the NDP spent 25 million and gained one seat, not two.

Why was this election called I'm the 1st place? For those who support him, he just spent 600m on what? Confirmation of his awesome Hairstyle?

Hey Erin, @ R242, go back to your fat wife.

Annamie Paul was thoroughly trounced, quite embarrassing! The Green Party has been such a disappointment for so long.

Why is she party leader if she keeps on losing?

Is anyone here in Alberta? I hear shit's going down.

R246 With Kenney?

Yes, R247.

👀

An excellent, dare I say, optimistic editorial in the Globe of all places, welcoming Canada to the age of minority government and illustrating the power of minority to pass effective legislation. I did not realize what Pearson had accomplished leading minorities, though I word argue after Trudeau (the elder, not the hairstyle) he is one of Canada's most consequential Prime Ministers.

Also it ends with a wicked, justly earned bitch slap to the hairstyle. I mean, major ouch. He's been shown for what he is. Clock is ticking.

1/2 Canadians woke up Tuesday to the news that a divisive and disruptive federal election campaign had produced little more than a sense of déjà vu.

The overall results are so similar to those of the 2019 election that it requires a magnifying glass to see the difference. As of Tuesday afternoon, with some votes still outstanding, no party had gained or lost more than two seats, and no seat-holding party other than the free-falling Greens saw a shift in their popular vote of more than two percentage points.

What’s also familiar about the result is that it has given Canada yet another minority government. Since 1962, 10 out of 20 federal elections have produced minorities; since 2004, the count is five out of seven.

Welcome to the age of the minority government. With the NDP, Greens and Liberals stealing votes from each other, the People’s Party stealing from the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois having stolen from everybody, it is more difficult than ever for any single party to win the magical 170 seats that confers a Parliamentary majority.

And yet the parties – especially the Liberals and Conservatives, the only two that under various evolving names and guises have ever formed government – continue to covet and strive for majority power, as if a minority were just an empty participation prize.

Stephen Harper twice concocted reasons to dissolve Parliaments in which he led a minority Conservative government, in 2008 and 2011, in his pursuit of the majority he finally won. Justin Trudeau did the same in triggering this election, when he thought he saw an opening to upgrade his minority to a majority.

He miscalculated, but it’s easy to understand why he went for it. There is almost no government in the democratic world that is more powerful, and less subject to the usual opposition checks, than a Canadian parliamentary majority.

A party holding more than half the seats in the House of Commons can control almost every aspect of Parliament, from the committees to the proceedings of the House. Government bills face little meaningful opposition on their journey from conception to royal assent. Add to that the power to name senators and Supreme Court judges, and being the prime minister of a majority government in Canada provides a level of (albeit temporary) omnipotence that can leave a PM feeling like Louis XIV.

But as much as prime ministers past, present and future would like you to believe otherwise, the truth is that the absence of a majority doesn’t mean things can’t get done.

Mr. Trudeau was hardly hamstrung by his previous government’s minority status. He was able to pass a budget, bring in hundreds of billions of dollars of COVID-19 relief, launch a program to provide low-cost child care for Canadians, and enshrine into law a commitment to reach net-zero emissions by 2050.

The things Mr. Trudeau failed to do while he was in power during the pandemic, such as enforcing proper border controls, introducing a federal vaccine mandate or speedily creating a common federal vaccine passport, were not the result of his government’s minority status. He had the power; his government simply chose not to use it.

And yet he sold the need for a snap election on the grounds that Parliament had become too divisive to continue. Canadians weren’t buying it. By the time of his (sort of) victory speech in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, even Mr. Trudeau had entirely dropped that pretense.

The makeup of the new Parliament will be almost exactly the same as the old Parliament, in terms of the mix of seats, which means with a little effort the Liberals can govern, and produce and pass legislation.

There were interesting ideas introduced during the campaign that ended Monday: the Liberal climate change plan; the NDP’s pharmacare and dental care plans; the Conservatives’ tax credit for low-income workers. The government could find parliamentary support for any and all of them.

Co-operation is possible, if the will is there. Lester Pearson’s two Liberal minority governments from 1963 to 1968 made modern Canada, bringing in a new flag, the Canada Pension Plan and national medicare.

Mr. Trudeau should this time show more respect for the capacity of minority governments to advance the interests of Canadians, instead of waiting around for the moment to try to advance his own.

$600M wasn't wasted on an unnecessary election. $600M was invested in the status quo.

To put things in perspective, just go back to the 2011 Election. The Liberals had been reduced to 3rd Place. They had lost multiple elections under failed leaders like Paul Martin, Stéphane Dion and Michael Ignatiefff. Then came Justin Trudeau. He brought them from 3rd Place to 1st in 2015. And then brought the Liberals two more wins in 2019 & 2021. The last Liberal leader to win 3 elections in a row is Jéan Chrétien. The 2019 & 2021 elections may only have been Minorities, compared to the Majority in 2015, but Trudeau has put the Liberals back in the center of power for the first time since the Chrétien years.

So he should definitely stay as long as he wants.

Hebert in the Star: "For his part, Justin Trudeau is widely seen by Liberal insiders and observers alike as having entered the legacy stage of his tenure. That’s usually a time when leaving one’s mark on the country comes to matter more than electoral machinations. That’s not so much because he failed to secure a majority on Monday as because he is now a third-term prime minister.

Up to a point, all politicians are at the mercy of the unexpected. Trudeau’s tenure to date — featuring as it has the Trump presidency and the pandemic — certainly lived up to that adage

But in the normal course of events, few expect him to lead the party into a risky fourth campaign. It won’t happen tomorrow, but many believe he will decide to leave the stage at some point down the road in his third term."

Though with that ego I wouldn't be surprised if he did try for a fourth go. He didn't have the sense to avoid this expensive, pointless go round... you worry sense won't visit him in time to prevent a fourth.

Stephen Harper won three in a row, as well, didn't he? A majority and two minorities. As I recall, Chretien delivered three consecutive majorities.

Just to put things further in perspective.

R250 how can you expect anyone to take anything you post seriously when you use childish name calling? You sound like every unhinged right winger I have to deal with on a daily basis who can't point to one thing Trudeau has done to negatively impact their lives, but they're convinced he's a terrible PM. What have you accomplished with your life, besides posting on Datalounge?

Oh, now, R258, I expect people to discern the point underneath the occasional self-indulgence. I'm sorry the hairdo didn't work out for you but am delighted it got under your skin or up your nose of wherever the irritant of reality landed in your system, because that was part of the fun too.

Incidentally, how do you expect anyone to take anything you post seriously when you rely on broad stroke assessments and assumptions of being right wing against everybody who doesn't agree with you?

He's a pretty mediocrity. Try a strong antacid.

[quote]You sound like every unhinged right winger I have to deal with on a daily basis

Do they still do telethons for massive tragedies like this or do I donate through the Red Cross?

[quote] but am delighted it got under your skin

You overestimate your importance.

Putting R260 on ignore shows how obsessed he is with Trudeau. He was all over the other two election treads as well.

He's like that fat ugly closet case who harasses the guy he desperately wants to fuck. It's sad.

Breaking your own name calling rule?

Consistency, thou art a jewel.

But, seriously, how can I support you in your time of neediness?

[quote]But, seriously, how can I support you in your time of neediness?

Count your posts in these threads.

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See ya, Erin.

R245 it seems like hubris at this point? I’m not really sure. I know a number of people in her riding who had really high hopes for her as she’s a smart, accomplished, multilingual black woman, but she doesn’t seem to be any good at political gladhanding and reading the room, so to speak? The people I knew who liked her a lot at first did not vote for her this time.

Whatever her personal qualities - and she seemed incredibly agile and articulate in the debate - nobody even knows what the Green Party is in Canada. It's a tough job for anybody. I don't see how you make it fly.

I hear Trudaddy won.

Interesting note in this piece: there have been more minority governments in the last 20 years than at any other point in Canadian history.

[quote] I hear Trudaddy won.

He’s been dead for a while.

This has been a GREAT VICTORY for our people!

The Liberals are now confirmed to have won a 2nd seat in Alberta, this one in Edmonton Centre.

Randy Boissonnault is openly-gay and is a Rhodes Scholar.

He previously held the seat between 2015-2019.

From the Globe this morning: And for the second election in a row, the winning Liberals obtained fewer votes than the party they defeated. With 32.5 per cent of the vote at time of writing, the Liberals have the weakest mandate of any government in our history, breaking the record set … in 2019. Coupled with near-record low turnout – at 60 per cent, second only to 2008′s dismal result – the governing party can claim the support of fewer than one in five eligible voters.

The Mop & Pail is still banging on about popular vote. Even O'Toole has given up on that bit of idiocy. Popular votes don't form governments, number of seats do.

[quote]he governing party can claim the support of fewer than one in five eligible voters

And the CPC can claim that support as well.

[quote] our people

Yes, the Punjabis!

Seat count has been update with 159 going to Trudeau - if he gets 160, he would only be 10 seats short of a majority

Yeah it seems he picked up another one somewhere

This guy is in his 40s.

^ I think Jagmeet is getting bad advice from his advisors.

R277 & R278, the extra seat that the Liberals picked up is in Quebec. It's the riding of Brome-Missisquoi which the Bloc was narrowly leading in after Election Night but which went Liberal yesterday when the final mail ballots were counted.

It moves the Liberals ahead of the BQ in Quebec.

Julie payette worked at a voting booth.

Will one or both of the free Michaels run as Liberals in the next election?

I don't know why people think the two Michael were just hapless Canadians, randomly kidnapped by China. The one is super sketchy and had all kinds of ties to North Korea.

If the 2 Michaels had been released last week, it might have helped Trudeau win a Majority.

Can I see a Jagmeet package here?

[quote] If the 2 Michaels had been released last week, it might have helped Trudeau win a Majority.

And Conservatives & Trudeau Haters would claim Trudeau tried to "rig" the election by having them released last week - and that would follow Trudeau for years

So better that they be released AFTER the election - cleaner that way

Trudeau greets the 2 Michaels at the airport:

^ The Man of a Thousand Photo-Ops.

R290 = Erin O'Toole

Rolled up sleeves!!!

Rolled up sleeves, ready for a big day of being photographed.

Annamie Paul is stepping down as Green Party leader

She was a bad choice, I think. She is intelligent and articulate and principled, obviously. She shone in the debate. But if even a quarter of the back story is true about how she acted as leader of the party she was not right for the job. My career has forced me to interact with a lot of activists and advocates. They spend so much time in echo chambers they soon forget the most important thing: even if their cause or POV is right, they probably still have to convince people to come along with them. And these days, in this environment, that doesn't happen a lot because if you don't agree you're just some adjective for stupid or immoral. You don't get people to join you by looking down your nose at them. I don't know if this applied to Paul, publicly or privately, but I wouldn't be surprised. And it doesn't work. If you want to lead a modern day revolution (after a fashion) you have to communicate like a Roosevelt or an MLK or a Reagan or a Bill Clinton or a Tony Blair or a Barak Obama. The job of the Green Party in Canada is to make itself understood as a viable entity. All anybody knew about Paul was the drama.

I like how others are suggesting that Trudeau send Paul to Glasgow after she called him a fake feminist and went after Freeland.

Why Glasgow?

This isn't good.

And of course, Liberal partisans are defending the guy, saying no one can prove what he removed from the resident's door ^^

I voted Liberal, and I think Chahal should step down immediately for a by-election with a new Liberal candidate. But that won't happen.

Same here, R300. He needs to go. Elections Canada is investigating. For the good of the party, he needs to go. Trudeau can't tolerate this, it'll just be another scandal hanging over their heads.

What pisses me off about the hard core Liberals on Twitter is that they always defend this kind of shit, just as how they were defending that Kevin Voung. It's so fucking weak and Trump like and bad for the party. Of course, most of the Liberals on Twitter aren't really Liberals, they're just Trudeau stans and don't give a shit about the party beyond him.

R298 OK, sneaky George Chahal is another Punjabi.

His real name is Harnirjodh Chahal.

This link says there are FIFTEEN Punjabis in power in Canada. The headline says they're winning big!

Verbally abusing voters, no doubt.

I'm surprised Chahal would do something so stupid as to remove his opponent's campaign literature from mailboxes. He ran a successful campaign in Alberta as a Liberal, which is hard to do. He would have been guaranteed a cabinet position. And he throws it all away?

If Trudeau does the right thing and pulls Chahal the Liberals could still win in a by election.

Oh boy. Trudeau sure stepped in it again today.

What did he do today?

Oh, I see.... another holiday. Well at least this time the Aga Khan didn't pay for it and he seems to be wearing his own clothes.

Still, it was a big day...

You do have to ask though, when he does such tone deaf things as this, when he's bleating on about right and good is he full of shit or what? How does he start holiday today of all days? What a dick.

I’m surprised that the DL wasn’t titillated that Canada now has a hung parliament!

^ Is it very hung?

Is this our Jagmeet?

God damn, this government is stupid and useless. Vaccine mandates for federal public servants - but no proof of vaccination needed, just sign an attestation and let's allow religious exemptions. Good god the Trudeau government is fucking dumb as shit. Freeland included.

The Liberals pick up another seat in Québec after a judicial recount -- the riding of Châteauguay-Lacolle. One less seat for the BQ.