Princess Beatrice, is reportedly in a London hospital

(Please excuse the comma.)

Sending warm wishes to Bea and Edo.

Sure it isn’t for plastic surgery?

It's hot off Twitter. We don't know the reason for hospital. We can only guess.

As a republican the fact that we still have a monarchy in the UK seems ludicrous when most countries in the world manage without one. Other than that, I hope the delivery goes smoothly and safely.

Safe delivery, Bea. Nous t'aimons.

Sqwunch that bébé out, Bea!

I like Beatrice, she seems sweet. Looking forward to the ridiculous baby name! It'll take some doing to out-crazy Lilibet Diana, but I have faith in Bea!

^ If it's a boy I vote Randy Andy

Is she OK?

Like her sister, she will never be able to lose the baby weight.

The slimmest those two ever were was one minute before their weddings. Once the photographers left it was BUFFET!

Yuhshayknee! Whot’s hahpurneng?? Whyyyy ehm I orn a hespital bahd??!

Or is she really headed to The Abortion Hut? Or, in the UK, is it Ye Olde Abortion Hut?

^ Royals don't abort, they just hide the defective ones in the attic

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The queen must be over the moon with indifference.

One does not give a rodent's hindquarters.

[quote] it was thoughtless of her to go into labour just now to deflect attention from the Time Magazine front cover.

Or thoughtful of her to deflect attention away from dear old Dad...Randy Andy!

R18 Oh but it's not deflecting any attention from Dad because now all the papers are speculating that he'll have to leave Balmoral to come and see her and get served with papers outside the hospital.

Everything else aside, I hope she's okay, she's apparently been in hospital for a couple of days now.

[quote] he'll have to leave Balmoral to come and see her and get served with papers outside the hospital.

Good! The man's a bum. He's the textbook case of why it was the smart move for Harry and Meghan to step away. After that one smart move, however, they soon became Prince Dim Bulb and Duchess Me-Again and completely ruined any good will I felt towards them.

And you're correct, R19...hope the young woman is okay.

Who's on the Time magazine front cover?

She probably has a viable fetus at this stage, but I think it's too early for her deliver.

Bea is nowhere near Meghan Markle's superwoman power who could hop around on her 5-inch stilettos while being 8-month pregnant.

Hopefully it's a little drone.

#21, most people here don't know how to post a link. And if they open two windows at once, it will crash their AOL dial-up.

From what I remember the Palace said the baby was due in autumn. I know other countries have different concepts of when the seasons start, but here in the UK September is generally considered autumn, so Beatrice could feasibly be full-term now. On the other hand, her bump didn't look too big in the most recent pictures. Hopefully all is well.

Bea could have been scheduled for a C-section. She may have had the baby by now. She'll want to get the hell out of the hospital BEFORE the paps sniff out her location.

There are 44 monarchies in the world.

R25 new arrival from Royal Dish?

Here’s a tip:put R in front of the poster’s #, don’t use #

Push, your Royal Highness, PUSH.

At least we know what color it will be.

You can do it, Ma’am.

Has Edo passed out yet? Is he a fainter?

Prinshesh Beatrishce! Get well shoon!

This is not important news to anyone but those people directly involved.

It's DL, R35. This site would disappear if we followed that principle.

O Princess Beatrice we love you get up

If it's a boy they will name him Philip.

They will name the baby Philipbet.

Beatrice said her due date was "autumn." Technically, it's still summer even in the UK.

Autumnal Equinox 2021: Wednesday, September 22

Phillipbet is the name it will take at 17 when it declares itself nonbinary.

Come on ya crazy eyed fattie!

Push out the infant Griftina.

Phillibet sounds better.

I would bet if it's a girl it will be "Philippa" ("Pippa" for short).

Philicia

I wonder how black it will be.

[quote]He's the textbook case of why it was the smart move for Harry and Meghan to step away.

I think it was the exact opposite. This family has the means and the motivation to make all the badness go away, and then scrub your rep as clean as possible afterwards. Harry and Megs are out in the wilderness without a shield, and they've incentivized the family to leave them to the wolves.

Edo is a count. The baby will be Italian nobility.

Everyone is a count in Italy.

Italian nobility does seem pretty widely spread so a bit thin. Supposedly both Pope Pius XII and Paul VI were from "noble" families. John XXIII on the other hand was from a family of farm day laborers.

12 grandchildren- Ah Ah Ah!

It's a GIRL for Bea and Edo!

It's TWELVE great grandchildren for the Queen.

I wonder how strange the offspring will appear.

Fergie is still drunk

Congratulations on a healthy baby.

Have they served Papa on his ride down from Balmoral?

You can bet every photog in England is following Prince Andrew closely hoping for that million pound snap of him being served.

Those girls look the most like Victoria. I think they are very pretty.

You must be wearing beer goggles, R59, and a very strong pair at that.

I think they are cute, but I like gingers.

And the Vicky eyes.

Victoria, Alexandrina, Elizabeth, Sarah and Nicola (Edo's mom) are the top name guesses for Bea's daughter.

[quote]Fergie is still drunk

since New Year's Eve

R48 It's a historical title only, not effectively representative of a region. Italy is a republic, there's no recognized aristocracy.

1987

Hopefully she’s named Sarah Diana Wallis Epstein

[quote] It's [bold]AN[/bold] historical title only,

'A' vs. 'An' Historic and historical: what a pair. First off, there's the question of whether to use a or an before them. Both a and an are used, but a is far more common—as much as four times more common in American English, by some measurements—which is what you'd expect for a word that, like habit and hero, begins with an audible h.

Glad the baby is okay

It does appear the baby came a bit early, especially given the birth weight, but not by much. If she's already back at St James Palace, all probably is fine.

It's kind of sweet it's a girl, as he already has a son, and Yuge had a boy last winter.

As for names: I suppose Sarah and Elizabeth will have to feature. But given the Italian last name of the child, this is a chance to do something a bit less traditional - think of all the possibilities, including Elisabetta.

She could even get away with naming it after her father by using Andrea.

So this baby will have a drunk grandmother who gets her toes sucked in public and a grandfather who is a pedo and is on the run, oh my how the Empire has fallen.

[quote]but a is far more common—as much as four times more common in American English,

R68 American English is an alamgam of horrific spelling and grammar. Look no further than the threads on this board - including both your original post and subsequent rationale - for myriad examples.

^^^^ amalgam ^^^^

Elisabetta Mappelli would be gorgeous.

So, how many more great-grandkids for the queen? It looks like Peter and Zara are done (unless he marries again and tries for a boy). Harry and William are done. Bea and Eug will each go for one more. That just leaves Louise and James, and those babies won't happen for a while.

I'm going to guess 7 more: 1 more from Peter, who will try for the boy, 1 more each from Bea and Eug, and 2 each from James and Louise, for a grand total of 19 great-grandkids, though it's unlikely HM will ever see the Wessex grandchildren.

It's been a bumper crop of Royal babies this year, hasn't it? August, Lucas, Lili, and Baby Mappelli all born in 2021. It looks like 2022 will be a dry spell--I wouldn't expect any more pale blonde great-grandkids before 2023, when Bea and Eug go for their second ones. After that, it may be a decade or more until the Wessex kids spawn.

Elisabetta Phillipa Mapelli.

Come on, Bea, go for it, it's gorgeous.

Filiberta is a name used in the House of Savoy-Italy in the past, as an alternative to Philippa.

“Funny Looking Kid” is the best title this critter can hope for.

[quote]Filiberta is a name used

Griftertina would be more appropriate for the Yorks.

Best wishes for the healthy baby girl.

Edo's son is named Christopher Wolf (Wolfie). I think an Italian name like Elisabetta would be weird with Wolfie.

Edo was estranged from his father the "Count". So estranged that he named his son Christopher after his mum's second husband, with whom he had a close relationship. Doubt that Bea/Edo will give the kid an Italian name.

R72, Your vapors aside, it's nonetheless legitimate English.

Eugenie's post to Bea and her new niece. She does go on and gets a little too sappy. Tone it down, girl.

On Instagram, it's Princess Eugenie.

On Twitter, it's Yorkiebea.

I know which one I like.

R84 it's not that bad. Becoming an aunt or an uncle is a special moment

Between Edo and Bea this girl is going to have some huge peepers

R79 Neither York York Princess is in the Sovereign grant. Both are supported by trust funds set up as part of their parents' divorce settlement, just like the Wales boys as a result of their parents' divorce. You think Diana, co-working royal, had 17 million quid of money she earned or inherited to leave?

If you're talking their mother, absolutely. And, to a degree, their father.

But these two York infants are not grifting anything off the UK taxpayer. They're lucky as hell with rich parents, but you could say that about any kids born to rich parents.

Grifting is a diffraction animal.

^* and supported by rich husbands

And

ex-working royal (not co-working)

I think Eug's post is sweet. The sisters are close and I'm sure they're genuinely thrilled their kids are so close in age. They'll probably do cousin-twins again in a couple of years.

I find Eugenie increasingly saccharine as well. Bea is my preference.

Has the royal baby been reported as drunk yet or got into a fight with the paps?

Get on with it!

Neither of these two grifters are married to rich men. One is married to a guy who slings tequila for bucks (whose father is a very hard working ...accountant). The other is married to a "property developer" who couldn't afford to purchase a London home for himself and his wife - they are mooching a flat at St James Palace.

No, those plump yorkies will have to keep selling themselves to Russian oligarchs, Tajikistan and middle eastern despots, among others, to keep the free vacations and gifts of money and jewelry.

If Fergie and Andy are so rich, why were they borrowing money from Epstein?

R84 I don't think it's so sappy. It does show the closeness between the sisters, and they've each had their first child within 8 months of each other. Seems exciting enough to warrant thos kind of note. And I dislike Yuge, generally.

Have the Harkles put out their usual "We've congratulated Princess Beatrice and Edo privately" leak yet, to prove they're still part of the royal family?

As if Bea would give a fuck. It's Yuge who's scoping out what the Harkles can do for her, including revenge on Charles and Kate.

I begin to think Bea is the classier act.

R28 - Not to mention that 9 of them are in "progressive" European countries:

UK

Denmark - Europe's oldest and held in great esteem by the Danes.

Sweden

Norway

Belgium

Lichtenstein

Luxembourg

The Netherlands

Spain

R94 I don't think Bea has any interest in the soap opera antics of the FIRM. She wanted a husband and a baby, she's got it.

[quote]R69 Glad the baby is okay

It doesn’t have the pop eyes?

The Queen has ordered immediate corrective eye surgery for the baby, so as to prevent third generation fugliness.

R93 - I think Beatrice and her husband purchase a country home in the Cotswold area.

^I agree.

Also, the baby's last name is either Mozzi or Mapelli Mozzi, not Mapelli.

Too bad, as Mapelli is prettier.

Bea is a great favorite of her grandmother's, which suggests she is low drama. She's set for life financially, and now she has a cutie pie as a husband and a new baby. She's sitting pretty. Eug would do well to take a lesson from her sister and stay out of the Firm drama.

Please show a link to Mozzi’s (nonexistent) Cotswold pile- was it a Grade I or Ii??

Strange to buy a country home when one cannot afford a primary London residence…

I never fully believed all the rumors about which grandchild was the favorite until I saw HM give Bea her own wedding tiara and a vintage dress to wear to the wedding. Those are signal marks of favor in the BRF. None of the other Royal brides except Anne (her only daughter) got to wear the fringe tiara.

The Queen is no doubt overjoyed that Andrew produced no male offspring- no need to pay off underage girls/prostitutes/etc.

Another useless sprog that will suck the teat of the state. Gross.

Wrong, R105. Bea gets no funding from the State and is married to an independently wealthy man. No need to tie yourself in knots.

r105 probably believes the Meg shit and thinks Bea and Eug get ALL THE THINGS because TITLES.

and r102, I have a grade II house, really it isn't a big deal .I probably would be reported if I put in plastic windows or an awning over the front of my 6 room house but it's just a "prevent demolition" thing.

Those pop eyes, if the baby has them, are the family inheritance from Queen Victoria, so they’d be considered a good thing even in this age of Instagram.

Pop eyes go back in the family before Victoria. They are a Hanover trait. George III had them.

r108, hmm, well marginally better than the squinty rodent eyes H got the extreme of from Phil.

It's da cra' cra'!

R107 well at least you are a improvement on the house-free Mozzi, who is happily occupying a royal grace and favor home.

oh good, some bug eyed British bitch shat out a kid.

R106 Wrong. Where do you think her daddy's money comes from? The Queen. Hence, pretty much still the state.

Bettina would be a pretty name.

Are they Catholic now?

The Yorkies have learned from their parents to bow and lick the assholes of anyone who might give them money, whether they be Jewish, Catholic, Muslim...

Bettina Mozzi sounds like the heroine of a Judith Krantz novel. And I mean that as a compliment.

Would she ever get a title? Via her cousin the king?

she could marry one of those wandering ex royal/aristo types . Zsa Zsa did it, and Lee rancidwell, also Caroline of Monaco

Well, if it looks like its mother and carries other difficult family genes lurking from all great-grandparents, I think we may have an heir to the open title of Monster of Glamis.

Betty Bowes-Lyon would be so relieved it can be one of the "to be ignored and forgotten" ones.

If she weren't being roasted in the True Papist Inferno of St. Bloody Mary.

The baby will be "Nobildonna"...noble woman.

Nobility of Italy:

In the good old days, the Queen would have given Bea and Edo's husband British titles. Or, more likely, they'd have only married men with British titles. But things have changed, and they can't hand those things out like party favors anymore. The last husband of a Royal woman to be offered a title was Mark Phillips in 1973, and he wisely turned it down.

When do I get to see my cousins?

R123 - why "wisely"? Poor Peter and Zara with no titles and all their cousins HRH's.

R125 they're hardly suffering.

[quote]The Queen has ordered immediate corrective eye surgery for the baby, so as to prevent third generation fugliness.

Is surgery inherited, like bug eyes and HRHs?

Because Peter and Zara were able to grow up with a lot more privacy and freedom than their titled cousins. Anne knew what she was doing.

Those Hanoverian pop eyes are hard to get rid of. Lord Freddie Windsor has them too, and they're terrifying. At least now that they're not all marrying cousins, they show up once or twice in a generation instead of everywhere.

I heard the baby already has been discovered to be able to see in the dark, but it's been using its tongue to clean its unusually spherical eyes and that absolutely revolts Bea-Bea. The baby also appears to be having difficulty bonding with its mother, hissing disturbingly and attempting to climb and reach the window.

According to an exclusive from an unnamed source, the Duke of York was reported to have said in an intimate conversation with his ex-wife and house-partner Sarah, Duchess of York, "Now this. Charles is laughing his buckteeth loose over this zoological nightmare. Just fucking call me bleeding Prince Job."

He also reportedly suggested that his new granddaughter be named "Gecka Arboria," and he blamed undisclosed anatomical features on his "North-African" son-in-law.

"Why didn't anyone think to ask how dark THIS child was going to be? Let ME make some of Mum's Currency from the tabloids for a change. Let fucking Fat Italian Oprah interview ME about family hatred. Christ, one of these days I'm telling Chucky that I fucked Diana and she told me she finally knew where the cock went in the family. She said she conceived "the boys" with an eyedropper and billiard cue. FUCKING CHRIST!"

The Duchess of York refused comment for attribution.

Trying too hard with minimal effect, R130.

"Thank you for calling Gam-Gam!"

"I'm actually in a lot of pain."

"You know what would make me feel better?"

"Could I wear The Russian Fringe Tiara while I'm giving birth?"

Don't worry, R105, the cunt at R106 and R131 is a royalist apologist who never posts anything interesting. Just snipes. You know - one of those lonely losers who drinks from Mum's saucer.

But do accept that Bea has bigger problems than money. She has fanatics like R106 behind her.

[quote]Fergie is still drunk. Since New Year's Eve.

"I'm a granny!. Who wansh to spot me a pint and a ciggy?"

R128 - OK, but now that they're grown up, I think Peter should be given a title. Maybe William will give him one eventually.

Interesting, R133. How do you know this?

And I’m a cunt for responding factually? Ok, then - what ever floats your tiny little boat.

R136, quit your fucking hovering.

You're a cunt because that, apparently, is your reason for being here, and you certainly have that certain smell.

Ok (sic), then - what ever (sic) gets you off, troll.

Oh, dear x 2

"He's the textbook case of why it was the smart move for Harry and Meghan to step away."

It's seems that was the limit of their wisdom, judging from their behaviour since they stepped away.

Alexandria is a lovely name.

No. Alexandria is a lovely city, or was.

Alexandra is a lovely name.

Much better than Alexandrina and Alexis.

Please don't tell Alexis I said so. She's such a bitch.

[quote] American English is an alamgam of horrific spelling and grammar.

ROTFLMAO!!

Are this gal’s pop eyes hereditary, as in bone structure (ie, lack of surrounding eye sockets) or does she have some kind of thyroid problem?

It’s very disturbing.

Here’s a tip R137 - not all English speakers spell the way that people from the USA do. And thank god for that!

I suppose you’ll be calling me “Boris” now.

Carry on - your ignorance is vaguely amusing,

Beatrice inherited her pop eyes. She is the mirror image of Victoria.

Alexandra is pretty. A Romanian friend has this name and she is usually called Sanda which is lovely as well.

Beatrice for queen!

R102 - Here is the link to Beatrice's home in the Cotswold

If Beatrice were a brunette, she really would be the image of Victoria. So funny when a face pops up again like that, but given all the inbreeding in the BRF up until the Queen's generation, I suppose it's not surprising.

No way that Peter Phillips will ever get an HRH and/or a title. Charles wants to slim down the BRF, not stuff it with more pointless HRHs.

Exactly, R149.

Besides, if he doesn't have a title as a grandson of The Queen, he sure as hell won't get one as the nephew, 1st cousin, or 2nd cousin of the next 3 kings.

R105 Did you ever learn to read?

Look at the words again: neither this sprog, nor its parents, nor its Auntie Eugenie and her sprog, get a penny from the "state teat".

Yes! All their money comes from Russian and Saudi teats.

So is there a family [italic]disease[/italic] that makes the eyes pop out like that so grotesquely, or it’s just the way they look??

R147 "It’s always been clear that Prince Charles has a long-standing beef with Prince Andrew, and that the beef extends to Andrew’s daughters, Princess Beatrice and Eugenie. Charles has never wanted B&E to be full-time working royals, to live a lavish royal life, to get money from the Sovereign Grant or to take any attention away from him or Prince William. " (from the link)

I can understand Charles having his various issues with Andrew (which include the frustration over the embarrassing circus of his life, not to mention plain old petty jealousy) but it doesn't speak well for him at all to have it in for his nieces. It's one thing to want a slimmer monarchy, something else to be an insecure jealous old toad who can't stand for anyone else to have any limelight, despite that he never looks good when it manages to shine on him.

R114 Actually, no, "most of his money" doesn't come from the state. He has a large trust fund of his own, the only money he got from the state (which he no longer gets) was related to his work for the monarchy. Royal Lodge is part of the Crown Estates. He has a 75 year lease and spent more than one million quid on its renovations in return for the lease.

We ARE talking about rich people here, and you'll find the same is true of the other monarchies throughout Europe.

The Sovreign Grant actually accounts for a small percentage of the cost of how they live.

Hence, Charles shtupping William (and formerly Harry) to the tune of 3 million a year so he can live the the Great Unwashed expect him to.

I'll be the first to agree that these monarchies all got rich by virtue of being in the right place at the right time in history and exploiting their advantage to the max.

But the fact is, that circle is shrinking, the York girls don't need their father's money, and they don't get taxpayer money and neither will their kids

I'd be more inclined to join you at the police barriers at the feudal continuance of handing the Heir the Duchy of Cornwall and all its untaxed revenues.

But really, Bea and this kid?

Mate, there are bigger and more meaningful outrages being wrought on UK taxpayers. This really isn't one.

I'm predicting Alexandrina Sarah Nicola

[quote]York girls don't need their father's money

Indeed, the York girls desperately need their father's money. They both married losers. It is not like wealthy Dukes - such as the multibillionaire Duke of Westminster - were breaking down the doors to marry either of these two strange looking creatures. In fact, one was dumped by a billionaire who ended up marrying a thin blonde model.

After the Queen is gone, these girls are going to need to hustle and grift, which they have learned very well from both their parents.

[Quote]I can understand Charles having his various issues with Andrew (which include the frustration over the embarrassing circus of his life, not to mention plain old petty jealousy)

I've never heard about Charles being jealous of Andrew. I thought it was the other way around.

[quote]OK, but now that they're grown up, I think Peter should be given a title.

Peter Phillips should be given the title of "Sir Biggest British Royal Penis"

He's a hot Daddy

In the olde days they would have tried to kill eachother.

Charles envied Andrew's early handsomeness, and possibly his mother's obvious partiality for Andrew.

Andrew envied Charles's position and status and superior wealth.

Things got worse after Andrew married Sarah and she turned out to be so totally unsuited to the constraints of royal life. Charles blamed Fergie for leading Diana Astray.

Neither Andrew nor his daughters, especially Eugenie, have forgiven Charles for his contempt for Fergie.

Fergie and Andrew went on behaving badly. Charles went on making no secret of his disgust.

Doesn't this sound somewhat familiar?

If the Yorks can't see that their mother, much as they may love her, is a fall-down fucking disaster, that's on them, not Charles.

[italic]What have you done to it ? ?

What have you done to its EYES ? ?

It's a bit much to blame Fergie for all of Diana's issues and drama. R161.

This baby knocked Zara out of the top twenty in line to the throne.

Zara seems much happier with her horses and Olympic silver medal than she would be playing socialite and visiting Soho House. She seems to have a lot of her mother in her - knows who she is and zero f*cks to spare.

Yes, but still she should be LADY Zara Tindall - it's her right.

Why doesn’t the BRF sell that awful fringe tiara and use the money to fix Bea’s gdamn FACE?

R166 Zara is able to make a lot of money off her royalishness. Since she doesn't work for the Firm, she collects dough from Range Rover, that horrid equestrian jewelry maker, etc for appearing in adverts for their products.

Her brother has been peddling milk in China, but long before, he sold his wedding photos to Hello.

Is Zara's name pronounced "ZARE-uh" (to rhyme with Sarah) or "ZAHR-uh"?

If she has those freaky eyes, it rhymes with “STARE-ah”.

She looks quite acceptable. More attractive than any of her female cousins.

I like Zara and I like her rugby playing husband Mike Tindall. They're not "normal" as in a normal upper class household but they seem pretty normal for the royal family. Good for Zara for not marrying some aristocratic twit.

"ZAHR-uh", R170.

Beatrice is currently at the Royal Veterinary College Hospital in Camden,

None of the Queen's grandchildren have married into the aristocracy, r173. Even Edo isn't really aristocracy and Mike Tindall's background is not that different from Kate's.

At this rate, this baby is going to be too old for Andrew to find attractive by the time they name her.

r173 Jack Eugene's husband is very much enmeshed and brought up in the upper class way of life but technically is not aristocratic you are correct. Apparently the Queen commented on Jack he's one of us I see meaning upper class high society type background.

Let’s hope that this one is attractive.

I thought Jack had aristocratic ancestry - like his grandfather was a baron or baronet or something.

I don't think much trickled down to Jack, r180.

Fentanyl??

Actually, Jack is quite the aristocrat - from Wikipedia:

Brooksbank was born on 3 May 1986 at St Thomas' Hospital in Lambeth, London. He was christened at Guards Chapel, Wellington Barracks in Wellington Barracks.[2] He is eldest son of George Edward Hugh Brooksbank and his wife Nicola (née Newton), great-granddaughter of Sir Arthur Holland.[3] Brooksbank is in remainder to the Brooksbank baronetcy.[4]

A half-third cousin twice-removed of Princess Eugenie through Thomas Coke, 2nd Earl of Leicester,[5][notes 1] Brooksbank's great-grandfather was Sir John (Jack) Spencer Coke, a Gentleman Usher to King George VI and Extra Gentleman Usher to Queen Elizabeth II and his great-uncle was the 3rd Baron Hamilton of Dalzell.[6][7][8] His parents are Old Etonian George Brooksbank,[9] a company director and chartered accountant, and his wife, Nicola, who reside in London and Bordeaux in France. Jack has a younger brother, Thomas, who is also an Old Etonian.[9][10]

How does any of that make him an aristocrat, r183?

R156, I think "Elizabeth Sarah Nicole."

I don't think the Queen's grandchildren like to be so crude and obviously ingratiating as to name their kids after her or Philip (the first name that is, as a middle name it's an honour).

Who do you think chose Lilibet Diana, Harry or Meghan?

Harry, r187. Meghan no doubt wanted to go with Diana.

Queen Elizabeth was named after her mother Queen Elizabeth (altho that was before either of them knew they would.be Queen).

It irritates me that there is a list of approved names for certain royals.

R184 - he's from an aristocratic milieu. Or he's nobility-adjacent.

Meth cook 👩‍🍳?

Let's just hope that Beatrice's daughter doesn't inherit her mother's erm... Very *unusual* looks.

Her and her sister look inbred. I'm sorry but it's true.

Beatrice is the spit of Queen Victoria, r194.

Don't be vulgar talking about Queen Victoria's spit, R195.

Jack's pop is old Etonian, but is old money with no money. He has had to toil his entire life in his accounting business! Jack is a fine fellow, but apparently lacking in the maths skills to at least be a partner at his pa's firm. So he has been slinging tequila.

Bea's prospects are completely in the hands of her beloved grandmama. Her papa is no longer able to make money. He can't visit his pals in Central Asia (the source of most of Andrew's wealth) and can't offer these despots anything anymore. He has just sold his beloved Swiss Chalet because he lacks the $10 million to buy it outright.

Why doesn't Brooksbank have a title?

He does, it's "Sir Cumference".

I thought I read that he rejected an offered title. What is up with these people rejecting titles?

[Quote]Her and her sister look inbred

Oh, dear. You type inbred.

You think the Queen would throw a title to this dolt- yes, lovable but low IQ. The Yorkies are almost borderline IQ and they do not seem to be procreating with higher IQ males. The Queen knows a think or two about breeding Corgis and horses so I think she could see the problematic nature of these liaisons.

He didn’t, R200. No title was offered. That doesn’t happen any more.

You only get offered a title if you are one of the monarch's sons (or if you are marrying one, in which case you get his title by courtresy).

The only exception to this was Princess Margaret's husband, who was made Earl of Snowdon; but then when the queen wanted to give Mark Philips a title when he married Princess Anne in 1972, Phillips and Anne turned it down. Since then no one who has married a female member of the royal family has been offered a title. There are rumors Mike Tindall was when he married Zara Phillips, but it seems highly unlikely.

R187, the choice of Lilibet has Meghan's fingerprints all over it.

[quote] You only get offered a title if you are one of the monarch's sons (or if you are marrying one, in which case you get his title by courtesy).

Or if you are one of the sons of the heir apparent (or marry one, in which case again you automatically get the wifely courtesy title).

Born in Lambath? That's a trashy start in life.

[quote] "ZARE-uh" (to rhyme with Sarah)

????

The name Florence is being rumoured for Beatrices daughter and bookmakers have apparently offered good odds on it being chosen.

Why haven't they released the name? Are they still deciding?

"Prunella! No, Vivian!... Or how about Magda?... Do you like Tippi? How about Maybelline? How does 'Contessa Maybelline' sound?"

R175 Ae you saying that Bea was being treated at this veterinary hospital? Getting her nails clipped?

What about Victoria? A beautiful that has not been used for a long time!

[quote]R209 The name Florence is being rumoured for Beatrice’s daughter

FLO? Just how hard do they want life to be for this child?

Aren’t the unavoidable pop eyes [italic]enough?

r213 former UK prime minister David Cameron who is upper class, former eton pupil , was a classmate of Princess Alexandras son James, has named his youngest daughter Florence.It is seen as a bit of a modern classic and not looked down upon say like Chantelle or Destiny would be!

The name Florence is indeed a modern classic… for housekeepers.

I don't agree r205. Lilibet is far too personal, an attempt to show a great bond and intimacy with the Queen. That's Harry, not Meghan. I suspect Meghan would have wanted more solid, strong-sounding English names for her kids, ones that you could stick King or Queen in front of. Archie and Lilibet sound more like Harry wanting to give his kids cute (in his mind) but posh names that are a break with the royal tradition but still in keeping with its spirit.

Archie is not a posh name. It's common at best.

It's a cutsie posh name, in the style of Lily, Ollie, Jonty. It's "old fashioned" and not at all common. It's a diminutive of Archibald, which is definitely not common.

Well, Archibald is the kind of hideous name only people of means would take on. It’s the equivalent of Penelope. But worse.

When you hear Archie you think Archibald.

^^

for 218

Archie and Lilibet are stupid, ridiculous names just like their idiotic parents.

With all Markle's status-climbing bullshit, it's hard to believe that she thought Archie was a sophisticated, cool, appealing or likeable name. It's awful. It's a name that doesn't even grow on you thinking, well, it's okay. It's not.

Lilibet isn't any better. It's a child's nickname and a joke.

Using a diminutive as a given name is not posh. It's very middle class.

I’ve been wait to say this for a week, shouldn’t the title of this be “Princess Beatrice is reportedly in London Hospital?” as the Brits don’t use the article with hospitals?

R224. The headline is referring to a generic London hospital. "London" is the adjective--not the name of the hospital.

Also, "a" could be dropped if the headline said, "Princess Beatrice is reportedly in hospital."

I wonder if Bea had a c section? Baby was early.

[quote]R223 Using a diminutive as a given name is not posh. It's very middle class.

Okay, Cordelia.

R226 You would think royalty would demand an A-section or at least a B-section?

The poor mite probably couldn’t stand another moment in that wormy hellhole known as her vadge.

Everyone who’s anyone is already calling her Izzy

Harry must be middle class then, r223. The Queen too, since Lilibet is the cutsie diminutive used for her as a child and even as an adult by those close to her.

How many times......

Just like "Harrison" is a play on his one parent's name, so too is "Archie," for it is a close anagram to "Rachel," as in "Rachel Meghan Markle."

That's why the name stands alone and is not a diminutive here for "Archibald."

(Sidenote: In the same vein, it is likely that the Sussex charity, Archewell, has all to do with Rachel Meghan and nowt with her son.)

(Don't even get me started on the usurpation of "Lilibet"---which child seems to have vanished.)

As for "Florence": Spare us, Bea! Little Florie would belong in a scullery! Why does no-one ever consider "Boudicca" or "Berengaria"? Half-joking.

R229 is really, really bad at anatomy.

Florence is a great name for this non royal baby. Flo and Wolfie. Perfect. Maybe Dara picked it out.

Flo the future grifter. Alas, she will not be spending time at a certain Swiss chalet, however. That had to be sold to settle debts.

I will never understand why Americans get so excited by this nonsense.

R167 Zara Phillips Tindall has no right whatsoever to the style and title of LADY. Her father refused a title. Her right to royal status only derived from her mother, who has no right to pass on royal status doe to her gender.

Any more than Beatrice's or Eugenie's kids do. They and Anne are, all three, blood princesses. But without a husband with a title, their kids get nada.

As it is, Bea's daughter will get an Italian title via her father, Nobile Dama.

Those are the rules of this game. No titled Papa, no right to title for kiddies.

It's probably much easier to grow up without a title. Anne made the right decision.

Doesn't seem the Yorkies had any problems growing up with titles. Those titles earned them hundreds of freebie vacations on large yachts, etc. Titles facilitate grifting. Zara has done ok peddling Range Rovers and ugly equestrian jewelry; her brother got skin in the game with the Chinese mild advert. Oh, forgot Peter made half mil from selling wedding photos.

I certainly hope not, R226! That would be a waste of those child-bearing hips.

I think titles still mean a lot in Britain. I had a friend who was the daughter of a baron and she said that all she had to do to get anything done was have her father write a letter with his title in the forefront.

Like an oy fit builder to come over and fix something?

That's only because he'd be expected to know people, r240, or he'd done something to be elevated to the rank of baron, which is an odd one anyway.

Here is my favorite baroness. One of the few black persons allowed near her person, the Queen.

Royalty is great fun.....on somebody else's dime!

I disagree, r188. I think Meghan persuaded Harry that Granny would be honored---and softened---by "Lilibet."

[Quote]Using a diminutive as a given name is not posh. It's very middle class.

No. It's just cartoonish.

I just can't see why H&M didn't name their daughter Elizabeth if they wanted to honor the great-grandmother instead of co-opting her pet name (used only by the queen's nuclear family, I believe). It seems very presumptuous.

Anyway, have we heard Beatrice's kid's name yet?

[quote]…One of the few black persons allowed near her person, the Queen.

Is she supposed to be fucking grateful for this bullshit? ALLOWED to be NEAR HER? Fuck the queen and fuck you.

Philippa would be pretty, but I doubt Bea and Edo will be so obvious. I could see it as a middle name, though.

I take it Ghislaine is not being taken under consideration.

R 248, Philippa is the formal of Pippa, aka the sister of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. So, no.

To R248.

She's in hospital, not a hospital.

Why would Americans say she's "in hospital"?

No one specially switches their choice of idiom to suit the nationality of the person they're speaking about... that's idiotic.

[quote] R 248, Philippa is the formal of Pippa, aka the sister of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. So, no.

That argument makes no sense whatsoever.

It's not like the name "Philippa" originated with Pippa Middleton...it was the name of an English queen, the bride of Edward III (Philippa of Hainault, one of the most beloved of English queens consort) centuries and centuries and centuries before Pippa Middleton was even born.

Florence is now a trendy name.

[quote]R246 I just can't see why H&M didn't name their daughter Elizabeth if they wanted to honor the great-grandmother

Because Elizabeth is an utterly drab, colorless name no one wants to be saddled with.

It reeks of Vaginal Atrophy. Like Gramma.

^Hello Meghan! Elizabeth is timeless. It has been given to queens and commoners alike for over 1000 years. It never goes out of style.

What about Alice? Or Maud?

Thunderpussy.

[quote]R257 Elizabeth is timeless. It has been given to queens and commoners alike for over 1000 years. It never goes out of style.

Yeah. It’s a bit like Sue in that way.

[Quote]Florence is now a trendy name.

Wasn't she the Jefferson's maid back in the 70s?

Now it's actress Florence Pugh and the 16th most popular girls name in the UK.

Maud and Alice are good names (they were names of royal princesses--one of Edward VII's daughters and one of Victoria's daughters).

If Beatrice wants royal precedent for her daughter's name, she could also choose Victoria, or:

*Helena (another of Victoria's daughters)

*Mary (George V's daughter)

*Alexandra (Edward VII's queen)

*Adelaide (William IV's queen)

*Amelia (one of George III's daughters)

*Augusta (another of George III's daughter)

*Caroline (name of the queens of both George IV and George II)

*Sophia Dorothea (the name of the daughter of George I, and also the name of his queen)

Maud got used by Lord Freddie, son of Prince Richard of Kent, for his daughter.

Alice, however, is definitely due for a royal resurrection. Princess Alice was very distinguished. Such an old-fashioned but pretty name, so very English, and, of course, carrying a great literary link.

I was half hoping the Cambridges would use it for their only daughter, but I think they selected Charlotte because it honoured Charles in some way. Alice Elizabeth Diana would have been just as lovely.

The Harkles haven't the brains to do something that classy. They always head for what they think is the trendy limelight instead of the enduringly classic.

And, as it happened, the Queen was neither softened nor pleased, and the Harkles ran aground on their own hubris yet again as the Palace pulled off the gloves and informed the public that Harry hadn't discussed or gotten approval from the Queen for the name, and that he also lied about the Zoom call right after the baby was born.

They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

^*Prince MICHAEL (not Richard) of Kent.

Alice is lovely, and it would have been a much better choice than Lilibet. Arthur would have been better than Archie, too. Arthur and Alice Sussex sound Royal in a way Archie and Lilibet never do. Alice Elizabeth Diana might have actually softened the Queen a bit, along with Arthur Philip Charles for their son. If they didn't want Arthur because of Pippa's boy, they could have gone with another fine old Windsor name, Albert.

Meghan and Harry really don't get how things work, do they?

R266 - They'd never have gone with Albert, but they would have made huge bank on Philip Arthur Charles. Anyone with half an eye could have seen the Reaper standing behind Philip's 98 year old shoulder. Can you imagine, though, what would have happened if they'd pulled that interview crap whilst he was dying with their son called Philip?!

In addition, Philip's mother was also named Alice - Princess Alice of Battenberg. Amongst the three names, they would have had a grandmother, great-grandmother, and great-great grandmother in one classy name. The child would have been triple-golden royal instead of tinsely silly royal.

Well, if they really wanted the Queen and Charles to soften, nixing that interview would have been a very smart move. Then they could certainly have made their son Philip's namesake.

Mary is also a very pretty and not-much-used Royal name, and it's the name of the Queen's beloved grandmother. Mary Mapelli Mozzi is rather charming in an alliterative way.

Alice is a dreadful name.

The offspring of children of the Queen have chosen modern popular names- Savannah, Mia, Isla, etc. Seems perfectly acceptable for no royals as are all and future offs Pryor the Yorkers.

Oops non royals Future offspring of the Yorkies

Harry and Meghan should have just asked the Queen's blessing on naming their daughter Elizabeth. They could have privately called her Lilibet, and when the girl grew older and the Queen was dead, her great-granddaughter could have called herself Lilibet in public if she wanted. In the meantime, they'd have garnered all kinds of brownie points for giving HM her only direct namesake (the rest of her offspring used Elizabeth as a middle name).

So we still don’t know what Bea named her baby?

Why so coy? She’s acting like Meghan. Woo, big top secret baby name!

Tell us the DAMN name! How has Fergie not spilled already? We already know the name of the brand new Bush baby (Cora Georgia Coyne) but not this one…

I just hope the poor girl got a tummy tuck. She and her sister are huge as boats now and only surgical procedures will assist at this point.

Alice Elizabeth Sarah. That's my guess.

Alice is a name liked in Royal circles and infact is the name of the Queens favourite aunt the late Princess Alice the former Duchess of Gloucester.

[quote] Maud got used by Lord Freddie, son of Prince Richard of Kent, for his daughter.

It's not like they can't repeat it for that reason. There are so many royals now, and Freddie Windsor (who is only the son of the second son of a Duke of Kent, and thus only a great grandson of a monarch) and his wife are pretty far away from the central royals.

I'm wondering if everything wasn't entirely ideal with the birth. I hope everything is fine soon enough if there were any complications.

The real Lilibet is having fresh baby Bloody Marys.

R272 and R273 - they might not have picked one yet. My parents didn't settle on my brother's name until he was over a week old. (Which, looking back, is a bit odd, considering they had nine months' notice...)

R278, I hope that's not the case. It always seems to be Beatrice who draws the short straw in that family: mocked incessantly by the press for her appearance; dumped by her boyfriend after aeons together (he married someone else shortly after); got engaged just as her dad's Epstein's connection was exposed; wedding cancelled at short notice due to COVID. Obviously she's lived a life of extreme privilege, but she still seems to attract a lot of bad luck in comparison to the other royals.

Yeah, yeah, r254. But we are living now.

Eug got the scoliosis, so that's one bullet Bea dodged.

R268 - I agree, Mary is underused. although it is the last of Beatrice's names. Even Anne didn't get Mary (her full name is Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise). And, I note that Victoria also hasn't made it into the later generations except for Eugenie getting it as a middle name. The two names seem to be designated as middle names, along with Alice.

Time to get them back in front.

This kid is not royal, It needs a first, middle and last name. It would be incredibly pretentious to saddle this very ordinary child with all those silly names.

Epsteina Griftessasine Mozzi-Muppet

[quote] I'm wondering if everything wasn't entirely ideal with the birth. I hope everything is fine soon enough if there were any complications.

Spina Bifida Elizabeth Alice

Well, Eugenie's baby isn't royal and he ended up with the name August Philip Hawke Brooksbank, R285. Simplicity is not the York sisters' strong point.

She would then be featured on many BBC programmes.

R254, You did, at least, persuade me to review the Plantagenet tree, so besides Philippa (nope), there are the possibilities of Joan, Margaret, and Isabel.

Isabella FTW.

Septima, Octavia, Cosima, Sophia, Olivia

There was a daughter of Edward IV named Princess Cecily. That would be a nice name.

There was also a Princess Adela, the daughter of William I.

And best of all, Henry IV had a daughter named Princess Blanche. That's the perfect DL name.

R287, I don't know what you mean by royal but Eugenie's baby is a member of the royal family, regardless of whether he's an HRH or not. All members of the royal family have several names, there's nothing particularly different about August's name.

.,.,

Beatrice should name her daughter the most royal name of all: Alexandra. It's beautiful, has stature and is very regal.

Alexandra Sarah Elizabeth

Where in the hell did the Markles come up with Archie? It's fucking awful.

R292, I don't think baby August is technically royalty. His mother is a princess but he doesn't have a title. And while two middle names aren't unusual in the UK, August Philip Hawke sounds distinctly aristocratic to me.

R289 - Alas, the older daughter or Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark already has Isabella (personally, I think it's becoming overused).

If we're going with Latinate names to go with Mapelli Mozzi, I rather lean to Leonora. It's true the next Queen of Spain has the name, but she's the only one. I wonder it hasn't caught on more, it's quite beautiful. Leonora Mapelli Mozzi . . .

R296 - You are right. The tabloids refer to all these babies as "royal babies" but they aren't. The only really "royal" children are William's, with the coveted HRH.

Royal means something specific: HRH or King/Queen. Everyone else, including aristocrats with titles, are technically commoners.

All Eugenie's, Bea's, Edward's (although his are technically entitled to the HRH, they just choose not to use them), Zara's, Peter's, and Harry's children are commoners. Some, like Harry's have an aristocratic title, but are not, repeat NOT, royal.

And that's what's sticking in Meghan's and Harry's craw, for all their egalitarian grandstanding about equality. They want that royal attachment and they want it bad.

Remains to be seen if the Queen and/or Charles will let them have it.

R295, Is it really that difficult to read a thread?

See r232.

R281, at least Beatrice's husband is cuter. Jack Brooksbank is handsome, but he's looking a little old and skinny these days. Who knows, though--"cute" often doesn't age well.

Bea and Eug are plain and unphotogenic like dear old Mom. And they will become wrinkled and flabby just like her.

And just as useless.

Eug's husband really loves her. The look on his face when she was coming down the aisle (that or he's a very good actor).

Bea might have a happily ever after, but it read as very "my little sister is married, I'm grabbing the nearest penis that says yes"

[quote] Eug's husband really loves her

Did she tell you that over tea? 🙄🙄🙄

August Philip Hawke sounds very American to me (maybe because of Ethan Hawke…).

I still wish Meghan and Harry had just gone with Lili Diana instead of Lilibet.

One of my favorites is Louis, an underused classic from Will and Kate.

Both Zara Tindall and Meghan Sussex gave their children extremely contemporary names as a weird way on asserting independence from the royal family. Zara's mother has always made a big point of the fact that she does not see her children as needing to fit into the royal tradition since they are not royal (thus Zara's own name was considered a huge break with tradition back in the day), and Zara is following suit. Meghan wanted to be hip and in with the twitter crowd and pretend she was being independent, but then bizarrely she also wanted her children to have HRH status too, which is Classic Meghan: she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. "HRH Prince Archie of Sussex" and "HRH Princess Lilibet of Sussex"--that's ridiculous. That's just a step away from "HRH Princess Apple of Sussex."

Of the queen's grandchildren, Beatrice really wants to be close to her grandmother and please her, so my guess is she would choose a more suitable old-fashioned name with royal precedent. I would expect down the road Lady Louise Windsor-Mountbatten (Edward's older child), who was very close with Philip and remains very close with the Queen, will also do this too.

GOOP’s choice of Apple has aged very well, I think.

R304 - I've always suspected that the Sussexes were told that their children will not be getting any HRH in the future and that's why they chose the ridiculous names of Archie and Lilibet. These names don't sound "regal" at all and would not look or sound good with the Prince and Princess titles. Archie and Lilibet with big "FUCK YOUS" to the Royal Family in their own special ways.

Regarding Zara's name, I've read over the years that it was Prince Charles who suggested it to his sister Anne. Mark Phillips had a sister Sarah and Zara is considered a variant of that name. It was quite exotic for its time but now of course it's a clothing chain.

If the Sussexes were told their kids weren't getting HRHs from the get-go, the Queen sure is taking her time issuing the LPs that would nail that into place. If she dies without issuing them, Harry's kids become HRH Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet immediately. It would be left to the new King Charles to deroyalise his only mixed-race grandchildren, a not great look at the start of his reign.

It's like Harry's title: if the Queen hasn't taken it by now, she isn't going to.

What the fuck is she waiting for? Harry's vicious little memoir? The Netflix tell-all with secretly filmed footage of the BRF? Meghan's memoir talking about how badly treated she was?

At her age, the Queen could wake up dead tomorrow morning, having passed peacefully away in her sleep.

If she's putting off important tasks on her bullet-point list, she's a fool.

I'm betting they're going to let the Harkle kids have their bloody HRHs just to head off the next set of accusations and recriminations.

The Platinum Jubilee would be a great time for her to announce changes to the structure of the monarchy.

The thing is, she might not live that long.

There's no way in hell the Queen will take Harry and Meghan's titles. For a start, Harry is her grandson, and she won't want to strain their relationship any further. Furthermore, he and Meghan have the royals over a barrel. Meghan has heavily implied on global TV that Archie's heritage is the reason he wasn't born a prince. It's bollocks: the Queen has twelve great-grandchildren, and the only ones who are princes and princesses are William's kids. But mud sticks, and there are plenty of people out there who genuinely take Meghan's word that racism is the reason Archie isn't yet a prince. (They don't seem to question why Meghan expects Archie to be treated any differently from Anne or Andrew's grandchildren.)

If the Queen removes Harry and Meghan's titles, those people will take it as further evidence of bigotry. Similarly, Charles will not dare deny Archie and Lilibet the title of prince and princess when he becomes king - it would be a PR disaster. When it comes to this, Meghan has the royals exactly where she wants them.

R308 - I think you're mostly right. But let's be clear: it isn't Meghan's and Harry's titles, it's only Harry's title. Meghan only has it through courtesy as his wife. In a divorce, she would lose it. So it's taking Harry's title that is at issue. I agree that she is reluctant to deprive Charles' son of his rightful station in life, and the headache wouldn't be worth it.

And, yes, Meghan and Harry lied about why Archie wasn't made an HRH at birth the way William's kids were, probably precisely to put the BRF in a corner and force them to let the kids have their HRHs.

Yet, if the Queen removed Harry's ducal title, there would be, thanks to the Harkles' stupidity in trashing the family so viciously, some amount of understanding because of what he and Meghan did.

But seeing to it that Harry's kids don't get their HRHs would, as you say, open a nasty can of worms.

However, there are a couple of problems with letting them have the HRHs. If the Queen doesn't change the way HRHs are doled out now, then future generations keep getting them, too, and the whole point of limiting the thing is overturned.

Why shouldn't Edward's children use their rightful HRHs, if Harry's kids are going to get them, too? What happens when Charlotte and Louis have children if Charles is still alive?

The whole point was to start limiting the cheapening of the HRH brand by stopping the proliferation of them across the landscape. It is Charles who wanted this. But leaving it to Charles is unconscionable. He has a reign that has to succeed if his son William and grandson George are to have a shot. We are agreed that it would be a PR disaster.

But the Queen, on the other hand, has a window of opportunity. She is the only person who can do this and get away with it. She's going to die soon. Whether it's one year or five doesn't matter - she can take the heat and shrug it off (and in Britain no one would care, Britain hates the Sussexes), and then die with a final Fuck You to H&M.

She will have cleared the way for Charles to open his reign with the slimmed down monarchy he wants, the precedent set for William's grandchildren when they are no longer in the direct line, and Charles doesn't get the blame for leaving Harry's kids the commoners they were born.

The Platinum Jubilee would be the "opportune moment" for the Queen to announce changes to the structure of the monarchy in this respect. She can do it, and she should do it. It's on her shoulders, especially as she is the one who most enabled this miserable situation by not taking Harry's title the moment he left.

In the end, it's a petty matter, she probably figures. So what if the Harkle kids have HRHs. But it does reward bad behaviour and it makes her look like she was put over a barrel. Either way, it's a bad outcome, so she might as well do Charles a favour, issue the LPs limiting HRH only to those in the direct line within five places, and let the chips fall where they mary.

^*fall where they may (not mary)

r308 British public opinion and revelations since the interview suggest to me that the Harkles do not have the royal family over a barrel.Oprah was their peak in terms of that kind of influence.Their impact is now waning and I dont think even naming the alleged racist if they dared would cause much if any long term damage.

[quote]The Platinum Jubilee would be the "opportune moment" for the Queen to announce changes to the structure of the monarchy in this respect. She can do it, and she should do it. It's on her shoulders, especially as she is the one who most enabled this miserable situation by not taking Harry's title the moment he left.

I completely agree and am very curious to see if HM goes ahead with it next year or not. It really is the one moment for it before she's gone and the problem is foisted onto a King who is more unpopular than his mother and his son.

r307, why do you think the Queen wants to do those things? She is perfectly content to let things take their natural course and let Archie and Lilibet take their titles when she dies. That's the way things have been done for more than the last 100 years.

The only thing she changed was to give Charlotte and Louis HRH titles from birth since they were in the direct line of succession so they could have official protection. But since neither Archie nor Lilibet are in the direct line of succession, nor is their grandfather yet the monarch, there is very little chance they will ever be targeted by terrorists--despite Meghan's ridiculous self-importance about the matter.

[quote]R307 I'm betting they're going to let the Harkle kids have their bloody HRHs just to head off the next set of accusations and recriminations.

As it should be.

Big Liz has a lot to answer for, and needs to show some late life generosity that will warmly burnish her rep for future generations.

R312 Why would HM want to mark what should be a positive milestone in her reign by doing something that would create controversy?

I second the name Rose. If not that, then Blanche, Dorothy, or Sophia?

I think Nellie Molly Mapelli Mozzi has a nice ring to it.

Kate wanted to name Prince George..."Alexander." I wish she had; I like it. It's very regal although it's not used often. In the end, I guess she gave in to pressure from the queen. Alexander is George's middle name: "George Alexander Louis." King Alexander has a very nice ring to it.

Kate had another chance of naming a son Alexander, but ended up naming her youngest Louis Arthur Charles. His name could have been Alexander Louis Charles.

Harrison as play on words as Archie's middle name is fine. In fact, it should be the kid's first name.

Archie as an anagram for Rachel (Meghan's first name) is not really an anagram. And the name Archie is stupid and unappealing. It's not that it doesn't sound regal (which is fine since the parents are no longer royal), it's just that it's a dumb, kind of a joke name with no substance or style.

Kate wanted to use "Alexander" as a way to honor the queen--it's the only one of her names with a commonly used masculine form (her full name is Elizabeth Alexandra Mary). I like it very much too, although the queen would not have liked a King Alexander I, so they were wise (or the queen told them) to use George as the first name, since in many ways that was the best way to do her honor, since she adored her father so much.

"Arthur" was a way to honor Charles, since he has said it is his favorite royal name--he wanted to name William "Arthur" (which was the name of one of Queen Victoria's sons, the Duke of Connaught and Streathern. Diana did not particularly care for it, and it would have caused all kinds of problems--can you imagine a king of the UK literally called "King Arthur," since htta's a figure from legend?--so William's name became "William Arthur Philip Louis."

Now, by law, if William so wishes, he absolutely can take Arthur as his regnal name (or he could take Philip, or Louis), but no one thinks he will.

And George could take either Alexander or Louis as his regnal names, and no one has any idea what he will do down the line (he probably does not know either at this point in his life).

Most of the monarchs of the UK since Queen Victoria did not choose the names they went by among their intimates as their ulrtimate regnal names.

Queen Victoria was christened "Alexandrina Victoria," and went by "Drina" (a diminutive of Alexandrina) among her family members.

King Edward VII was christened "Albert Edward," and was called "Bertie" by his parents, his siblings, his wife, and his intimates. He was expected to reign as "Albert Edward I" (his mother insisted he do this--those were the names of his father and her father), but he refused to use the name "Albert" because he was sick of living in his father's shadow.

King George V was christened "George Frederick Ernest Albert," and was indeed called "George." He was not intially expected to reign--his elder brother Albert Victor Christian Edward (known to his family as "Eddy") was expected to reign as "Albert Victor I," but he died even before his grandmother Victoria died, and so his younegr brother George became the heir apparent to Edward VII.

King Edward VIII was christened "Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David," the last four names being the patron saints of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales. He was always addressed as "David" among his family members and intimates (and wife).

When the latter abdicated, his next youngest brother, Albert Frederick Arthur George, took the throne. He had always been called "Bertie" (like his grandfather), and would have been happy being King Albert I, but his ministers insisted that after his brother's abdication the British people would want continuity with his father's (very stable) reign asserted, so on their advice he became King George VI.

The current queen, his daughter, was christened Elizabeth Alexander Mary, after (respectively) her mother, her great grandmother Queen Alexandra, and her brother's only sister Mary, the Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood. She could have reigned as Queen Alexandra I or as Queen Mary III, but decided to go by the name she had always used instead.

The current heir to the throne was christened Charles Philip Arthur George. He can reign by law as either Charles III, Philip I, Arthur I, or as George VII. There is a persistent rumor he will choose the latter because (supposedly) he considers Charles an unlucky name, since Charles I was beheaded by his people, and Charles II died without a lawful child heir to the throne. To me, though, that has always seemed unlikely, since Charles II was one of the most beloved of all British monarchs, despite his lack of legitimate issue.

Naming a kid Harrison when their father is Harry is...dumb. "Get it, he's Harry's son!"

They should have called him Archie Harrisdottir to really be on point with gender-fluid wokeness. Another missed opportunity...sigh.

R303, Louis is one of the middle names of William, George and Edward, after Louis Mountbatten. Edward might even have named his daughter Louise after Mountbatten too.

"There is a persistent rumor he will choose the latter because (supposedly) he considers Charles an unlucky name" - Really, r321? I've never heard this. Charles II was a very popular English king who ruled at one of the country's best times and after over 70 years (who knows, perhaps 80 by the time he's eventually king) it would be ridiculous to expect people to start calling him George. I doubt he expects that.

And the child shall remain nameless.

It's Sienna Elizabeth. Oh God, Bea and Edo went the trendy route.

R311 - They may not have the BRF over a barrel in terms of popularity in Britain, but in terms of taking Harry's ducal title and making sure his kids don't get the HRHs they would ordinarily have been entitled to the moment the Queen dies - I disagree. It would throw fuel on a fire that, as you rightly point out, is already dampening, so why bother?

As for Bea's daughter's name - oh, bore me to DEATH!

Unfortunate looking thing.

Sienna... boring. I expected Beatrice to go for something a bit eccentric and aristocratic. And the Queen didn't need yet ANOTHER female descendant named after her.

I would have gone with Augusta Alice Elizabeth Marie.

Siena, an actual town in Tuscany. Could be worse. They could’ve named her Roma.

They named her after a Crayola crayon.

R313

[quote] The only thing she changed was to give Charlotte and Louis HRH titles from birth since they were in the direct line of succession so they could have official protection.

I don't believe this is the reason. It had nothing to do with protection - that is Meghan's line.

As I recall reading, the Queen decided that all children of William and Catherine would have the HRH (regardless of their sex) when Catherine was first pregnant. The reason was that, given that primogeniture was no longer the rule, if the first child born to W&C was a girl and therefore next in line to the throne after William, previously she would have been out ranked by any brothers who would have the HRH and she would not have had the HRH by the old rules. By making the change, the Queen assured that if the first child was a girl, she would carry the same HRH as any of her younger brothers.

I can't believe some of you sit around and obsess about the line of succession and names for fucking hours. These folks are not that important.

And any excuse to drag MM and Harry. Not that the haters need a reason. The thread could be about Mother Teresa and these people would find a way to bring Meghan and Harry into the discussion.

Siena would have been somewhat boring but understandable (if there’s an actually local connection). SienNa sounds like Bea and Edo picked the name by wandering around a Wal-Mart.

R335 - Correct, these people are not important but these people are a lot of fun to pointlessly butch about.

Has anyone heard from or seen the Tiara Troll lately? I miss Tiara Time!!!

[quote] I can't believe some of you sit around and obsess about the line of succession and names for fucking hours. These folks are not that important.

Dear Judge Judy: you yourself are wasting time on a gay gossip forum.

What are YOU doing that is so much more important?

They built up all that suspense with their Meghan tactics, and that’s what they drop on us?

R338 - I 'm still around. Here is the Russian wedding with the bride wearing a tiara from Walmart. Her big husband is Grand Duke George.

I forgot to sign my name @R341.

R335 - the fact that these people and their titles are so unimportant is what makes them so fun to discuss. It's a distraction from the turbulence in the world.

R341 - That is one fugly tiara.

Glad to have you back and posting. How was Russia?

Sienna Mapelli Mozzi sounds like a brain-dead socialite, so . . . yeah. Maybe they got it right.

Can't even spell Siena right. Dumb ass!

Siena...well, now we know they are Walmart class people.

Sienna fits right in with Princess Anne's granddaughters.

I just ww’d a few posts and in doing so the ff also blanked out. Is that supposed to happen?

Sienna is the kid's name; Siena is the region in Italy.

If they'd had a boy, they'd probably name it "Conner" instead of "Connor." I chuckle when I see that one. Ha!

R349, yes. You can’t both ww and ff a post. Commit yourself to one or the other!

I just tried it again, pressed ww and ff also greyed out.

You’re a bit slow, aren’t you, R352? The question was answered, although it seems self-explanatory to me.

[quote]If they'd had a boy, they'd probably name it "Conner" instead of "Connor." I chuckle when I see that one. Ha!

The pathetic fools! You are right to feel superior to them and sneer!

R34 I was going to open a thread 9n the Russian wedding. Far from Walmart, the tiara was made by Chaumet. It's still ghastly, but it's real.

The wedding was staggering in its hilarity.

The bridal couple reminded me of a review of one of the earliest live Met Opera TV performances, La Boheme with Pavarotti and Scotto:

"Butterballs in Love"

And did you get a load of the groom's mother?!

"The thread could be about Mother Teresa and these people would find a way to bring Meghan and Harry into the discussion." - Meghan and Harry probably think they're the new Mother Teresa, R336. There's your connection.

R356 - yes, the mother is even LARGER than the groom and that's saying something.

The Daily Mail comments alternate between these two streams of thought. There’s no in-between.

When Meghan named her baby Lilibet, she was roasted alive

If they are only showing the feet, Sienna must have bug eyes like her Mum.

The baby got her mum’s lovely bright eyes.

R359 - what's the name/species of that creature?

[quote]R346 Can't even spell Siena right. Dumb ass!

She’s named for model/actress Sienna Miller (?)

^^ Sienna's mum was a dumb ass too, r361!

Sienna Miller was raised in London. Princess Pop Eyes probably idolizes her.

It’s a loris, R360.

Sienna Miller sure sowed her oats, perhaps she fucked Andrew at one point and this is an homage of sorts to that special encounter.

Sienna with the double "n" has been a word in English since 1790--far before Sienna Miller. It refers to an earth pigment is an earth pigment containing iron oxide and manganese oxide. In its natural state, it is yellowish brown and is called raw sienna. When heated, it becomes a reddish brown and is called burnt sienna. It takes its name from the city-state of Siena, where it was produced during the Renaissance. Along with ochre and umber, it was one of the first pigments to be used by humans, and is found in many cave paintings. Since the Renaissance, it has been one of the brown pigments most widely used by artists.

It is just not that strange of a word, and it is spelled correctly. It has been used as a given name for decades now (the actress Sienna Guillory was born back in 1975). It has been among the top names for girls in the UK, New Zealand and Australia since the middle of the 2000s.

I swear to God, some of you were born yesterday.

#66 Weren't you prattling on for days about how they would name the brat some fancy historical name, Alice, Maud etc. Jokes on you, those great grandkids like them some white trash names.

"Sienna" would never be invited to my child's birthday party. "Siena" maybe; "Sienna" never.

Sienna sounds like the name of an underage girl Prince Andrew is accused of sleeping with.

Perhaps the child is a ginger?

Or a darkie!

All I can think of are Crayolas.

Sienna Miller looks the way Princess Pop Eyes [italic]wishes[/italic] she looked.

They both attended David Frost’s memorial service. Maybe that’s when the fixation began.

"Sienna? Perhaps the child was named after a bottle of Bee's favorite nail polish as an endorsement deal like The Archwell Foundation

Sienna?!?We are not amused!

Is Sienna OK?

I actually think it's a lovely name. Classy but not super posh.

I feel slighted.

“HRH Elizabeth” R375? Better stick to threads not involving names.

Oh, we think it has a certain je ne sais quoi about it . . .

Tiara Troll: if you scroll all the way down your link @r341, you’ll see a series of photos of crowns from defunct royal houses. Some are recreations. Most are plastered with jewels.

My favorite is a Czech/Bohemia crown from the 1300s with great gobs of gems.

I agree R377.

Wow. Re: the Royals Without Thrones Instagram account, this one looks very trans or Hillary Swank or something!

People Magazine explains:

“They were looking for an Italian name that started with an S for Sarah to honour the Duchess, and also reflected the golden rust color of both the Duchess’s hair colour and Beatrice’s which the new baby shares”.

R357 - The bride clearly was chosen because in a very short time she'll be indistinguishable from his mother, the Grand Duchess.

I think this family is one of two branches claiming to be the rightful heir to the Russian throne.

Putin was said to have commented that the wedding left him "unimpressed". Whilst the Russian government gladly welcomed the Russian Orthodox Church back, it wants nothing to do with the Romanov dynasty, whose return might compete with the government, in contrast to the Church, which works nicely with an authoritarian State.

Who is the other claimant branch? Didn't we have a Romanov thread a year or two ago?

While looking for a name to honour Fergie they could have found her a more effective anti-perspirant on the day of Eugenie’s wedding.

It is sweet that she;'s honoring her mother with this name. She and Eugenie are probably the only two people on this planet who honor and respect poor corrupt old Fergie.

The name sounds fine - pretty, even, with the middle and last names. It is also very middle class and trendy. I thought that was Peter and Zara's naming niche, tbh.

About Sienna.

No matter what Harry and Meghan named their children, their haters would drag them. Pathetic.

They described their own hair color as “golden rust”?!

I don’t understand people who claim using a name with the same letter as that of a loved one’s is some kind of honor. If you want to honor Sarah, name the baby Sarah. “Sienna” and “Sarah” are not even similar names.

They should have called the baby Sandy then.

“We wanted to honor my father Rick, so we named our baby Rylea.” Just say you liked the name you picked, stop pretending it’s about honoring anyone!

R391 & R393 - It is done. In some Jewish communities, naming a child after someone (eg. the same initial but with a different name) is quite commonplace. I think it has something to do with superstition. If you use a living person's name, it's bad luck so instead you choose another name with the same letter.

It's very Kardashian, Duggar family, etc.

R394 Ashkenazi naming practices are not based on "superstition".

'It is customary to name children after deceased parents. The Ashkenazic custom is not to name a baby after living individuals.The reason for this seems to be that it is a merit for a deceased person to have a descendant (or other relative) named after him or her.

Sephardic Jews do name children after living relatives.

R394 I think it's pretty common to do a name homage with a twist, regardless of religion.

Yes, but the practice of using a name with only the first letter in common and calling it "naming the baby for so-and-so" is, in my experience, only a Jewish thing. I was editing a book for a Jewish friend once and had to point out that a lot of people would be confused by a character whose name was Maya being named for her grandmother Miriam (for example).

As a disclaimer, I'm not Jewish, but grew up with a lot of Jewish kids and am pretty much a Friend of the Chosen.

The Judaism angle is interesting. I’m the poster who objected but I’ve only seen this in non-Jewish families I know in which the new parents want to choose a trendy name but dress it up as an homage to their parents / grandparents so as not to appear to be jumping on a name bandwagon. “Oh, we just love the name Billie because it reminds us of Grandmother Bertha.”

Oh, I see, R399. I guess our different experiences colored what we think we know about the practice.

R399 I am a Jew and I have not come across "Billy" and other Xtian names among my fellow Jews at my large synagogue and on my online Jewish communities.

Practicing Jews do not name their offspring Billy ever.

R401 Let me add I am an Ashkenazi Jew. In NY. Surrounded by fellow Jews. As was mentioned previously, Sephardim do name their offspring after living relatives.

R401, R399 was not referring to the male name “Billy.” I, too, live in New York City, where many Jews are not very religious and do not regularly attend synagogue. It’s not astonishing to meet a Jewish woman with a non-Biblical name. However, the tradition of not naming a child after a living relative is observed by virtually everyone.

^I have found this to be true in the nonobservant English Jewish community. The tradition of using the letter, but not the name, IF the person being honoured is still alive, persists universally.

But they will use the full name if the person has already passed on. That has been my observation in England, anyway.

He said non-Jewish families, R401/R402.

Those people really are trash and Harry's grandmother isn't going to love their brat as much as she loves my beautiful mixed race babies, one of them named after her.

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I love the name Sienna. Good job, Bea. It's lovely. It's sophisticated, aristocratic and a bit Italian to acknowledge Edo's heritage, and according to Beatrice, the name begins with an "S" to acknowledge her mother, Sarah.

I don't mind the name at all but it is deeply middle class. Perhaps the perception of social class has to do with where someone lives. I've noticed that America never really got on board with all those cutesy names for boys that middle class Brits continue to go wild for (Alfie, Freddie, Ollie etc. - Archie actually fits in here, too).

True, R409, but the Brits never went for the Kayden/Jayden/Brayden thing, either. For that, I admire them.

Is she still fat?

Are Grandpa Perv and Grandma Grifter doting over their grandchild?

Boy, she's sure been in the hospital for a long time!

R412 - Were you, really, supposing they weren't?

But that wasn't your point, was it?