So sick of rap and hip hop

The last 40 years must have been especially difficult for your lily white ass.

No, great-grandpa.

Men of color are obsessed with sex - and yes, the vulgarity of it is twisted after a short time.

I guarantee that OP's bookmarks are 75-80% interracial and BBC porn videos.

So ageism and anti-white racism as responses.

Interesting.

I’m sick of the soulless generic hip hop that is heard everywhere today. There has been a lot of garbage rock too but since hip hop is what sells there’s so much more of it. It’s really absurd seeing white kids from the suburbs dressing in hip hop style and talking in Ebonics.

As long as younger people are programmed to believe that this “music” is “cool” it will not go away.

What better way to respond to your original-recipe racism, R5?

How does it feel to be so marginalized?

r3 apparently thinks white gay men are saintly virgins

r7, rap has been around for 40 years, it's hardly just "kids today" who like it

Same here, same!

[quote]I’m sick of the soulless generic hip hop that is heard everywhere today. There has been a lot of garbage rock too but since hip hop is what sells there’s so much more of it. It’s really absurd seeing white kids from the suburbs dressing in hip hop style and talking in Ebonics.

This is the same argument that was delivered by the "death to disco" contingent in 1979.

The reality is, they were homophobes who hated music associated with gay people.

Agree, OP, because apologies I can't be the cardboard-cutout gay and punch off each of the politically correct Woke things to do, say and support like a lemming. People growling angry words and vulgar pop-culture references unimaginatively to a repetitive backbeat for 5 minutes that are supposed to be "music," IS annoying. Oops, I'll go to Confession tomorrow because I expressed something that's an opinion.

I wouldn't care about the sex or vulgarity if it was catchy or fun to listen to.

Yeah because anyone who dislikes Cardi B, the thousands of generic SoundCloud rappers or Da Baby MUST be a racist. The music is so moving that’s the only explanation that can possibly be true.

[quote]People growling angry words and vulgar pop-culture references unimaginatively to a repetitive backbeat for 5 minutes that are supposed to be "music," IS annoying.

Again, this is pretty much what the homophobic anti-disco mob said in 1979. Vulgarity! Soulless lyrics to repetitive electronic backing!

Examine your motivations, R12.

People on this website are really sick and so toxic. So now, if you don't like hip-hop, which is purely a matter of personal taste that can't be controlled, you're a racist? Seriously, how much longer are Americans going to use their obnoxious racism blackmail?

Rap is crap!

Crack is whack!

That’s society now r16. People on the right and on the left have all gone mad. There’s no room for personal opinion anymore.

If you're sick of it, just don't consume it.

Who's forcing you to? You can listen to basically every song ever recorded on a thousand digital platforms and devices.

Your real problem, OP, is that you've come on DL to post an opinion that Joe Sixpacks were belching out in 1988, just as they did, without any compensating wit, perspective or style.

I liked the early years of rap and hip hop when there was a message in the music. Once the genre got popular and made lots of money for people, they no longer cared about the positive aspect of the music. It became negative. I am sick of rap and hip hop too, but I am also tired of the entertainment industry as a whole.

R18 So true. what a sad sad world. I want to go back to the 80s, I'm so fed up. I can't stand the Wokes, i can't.

Someone invent the Time Machine please!

If you are too precious for this world, there are things you can do ... or have done to you, R21.

[quote]So true. what a sad sad world. I want to go back to the 80s, I'm so fed up. I can't stand the Wokes, i can't. Someone invent the Time Machine please!

Yes, any real gay man would pray to go back to the '80s—with its rampant anti-gay discrimination and opportunity to watch countless young friends drop like flies from AIDS—just because he "can't stand the Wokes."

Fuck you and your binary view of the world. I don't buy this blackmail. And if I were to elaborate on the reasons why pulling the racism card even for people's personal tastes, is a trick of Wokes who we know are mostly mentally ill or teenagers and always spoiled white idiots, some would just shut their polluting mouths. I don't like rap and no one is going to force me to like it. Jesus!

Generalizations on this website are a must. Know that we are thousands of gays to miss the 80s and even the 70S for some of us. We didn't all suffer as you claim, and we didn't all get AIDS. You are the best example of the mentality of the ignorant Wokeist, to generalize things to the whole population R23

Take your pill and go to bed, granny.

I like the rap I grew up with in the late 90s early 2000s, but I don’t really like the new stuff (Cardi, da baby etc), but that’s me getting old. I will say that I was surprised that the only rock act at the VMAs this year was a band from my time.

Yeah, I will when you finish your bottle full of fat, sucking through your anus mouth R25

[quote]I don't like rap and no one is going to force me to like it.

NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO LIKE IT, gramps.

See R19.

If you're going to come on DL to bitch about something, have a little wit or at least an intriguing point of view.

"I don't buy this blackmail."

Who's selling it?

How are you being blackmailed?

You never suffered during the 80's as a gay man?

As long as you didn't get AIDS, then fuck all the gays who did? Is that about right?

No wonder you're still bitching about rap and hip hop for the last 40 years.

You've obviously never matured.

r16 the crackers and I plan to hang out and listen to Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, and Pharoah Sanders, you know, good ol' racist music. You can come join us.

[quote] There’s no room for personal opinion anymore.

There is no room for facts anymore, only bombast, myopia, and zealotry. No room for lateral thinking. No room for presenting facts that may help save people's lives. If governments and social media influencers and PR flacks don't distribute and promulgate it, it cannot be true, no matter how many references and citations from objective sources. Personal opinion is all there is in Yankland.

Frankly, I dislike rap even more than pussy.

R29 It's time for you to see a psychiatrist. Your view of life and especially of the one you haven't lived is ridiculous and worthy of someone who knows nothing about life. No, I didn't suffer during the 80's that time when nobody even considered your birth. YOur cries won't make me like rap. Your generation of 'I'm offended" for anything, wouldn't have survived the other times. I see you as a complete failure. If I didn't get AIDS that means I couldn't pass it on to anyone. What the fuck are you learning in school these days? Oh I forgot that for you, even math is racist. Generation of schizophrenic losers.

Most music nowadays is absolute shit and a lot of it is rap. We are living in an age where somebody like Harry Styles is considered a serious artist. Adults aren’t ashamed of listening to Justin Bieber.

Since you mentioned psychiatry, R32/R27/R24/R21/R16 ...

You could use some help yourself.

If you're working in the troll factory, request some PTO. You're blowing your cover.

There are a lot of online services that can help you deal with your paranoia and anger issues.

R34 Paranoia? People have clearly mentioned racism above but I'm the one who is paranoid? I don't think you even know the definition of that word. Poor you, making a fool of yourself seems to be a hobby, you stink of boredom. Maybe you should focus on something else than my little person and continue to spread your bile and discomfort in other threads. Blackmail doesn't work on me and I know it pissed you off. I don't like rap music and I shit on you royally. I'm free. Find something else to do bitter dumbass.

Thanks to Sirius and my iphone that connects to my car radio, I almost never encounter music that I don't want to listen to.

Which is nice because the variety of great local radio stations, playing different kinds of music, all disappeared. Now there are like 5 stations playing exactly the same music and songs. (My kingdom for a good acoustic/alternative station.)

NO, OP.. Nobody's with you.

Nobody covets your self-righteous, provincial Christian peasant nerd-life of nothing. You have nothing and do nothing for the culture except poison it with lies and bullshit-based prejudice.

Go tell the other redneck trash in the trailer park that country music and church hymns are where it's at. You can trick them into thinking you have virtues because they're self-righteous, navel-gazing, Have-Nots as well.

I'm with you OP, the thing with trolls is that they are completely ignorant. Pulling the racism card is unparalleled stupidity but indicative of a generation of mentally ill people who have not been educated. No one here judges those who say they like rap but those who don't like it are stigmatized. I like rock and pop and disco, and classical music, and grunge, and a whole wide range of world music that this generation knows nothing about except K-POP Lol!

"[R29] It's time for you to see a psychiatrist. "

Because people who don't agree with your racist views are crazy?

I'm guessing the idea of you being analyzed by a therapist scares the shit out of you.

"Your view of life and especially of the one you haven't lived is ridiculous and worthy of someone who knows nothing about life. No, I didn't suffer during the 80's that time when nobody even considered your birth."

I turned 60 on Monday. I guess that lack of maturity comment is a common complaint you've heard for decades now.

" YOur cries won't make me like rap."

I'd like a citation on those cries, BTW. Meanwhile, I don't give a shit if you don't like rap. You're the one who needed validation for your idiotic opinion by starting this thread.

"Your generation of 'I'm offended" for anything, wouldn't have survived the other times. I see you as a complete failure. If I didn't get AIDS that means I couldn't pass it on to anyone. What the fuck are you learning in school these days? Oh I forgot that for you, even math is racist. Generation of schizophrenic losers."

Again, I was born in 1961. Not only did I survive the times. I survived AIDS. I may die of AIDS related complications, or more likely of COVID because of idiots like you. But I'm still here and I'm not defined by what I hate. Unlike you. I'd say that makes you part of a generation of bigots. But since we are most likely of the same generation, I'd have to say I'm nothing like you.

You seem to be the one making stupid generalizations.

It's shit music that's just making society angrier

Trumptard deplorables aren't my idea of "society."

But you be you.

R29 R41 'You're the one who needed validation for your idiotic opinion by starting this thread".

Honey i am NOT the OP, I didn't started anything. You imbecile.

"I turned 60 on Monday. I guess that lack of maturity comment is a common complaint you've heard for decades now."

60 years old with a retarded brian like that?? Jeez...

And now the best idiocy of this crazy bitter old fart -->"Because people who don't agree with your racist views are crazy?"

Not liking rap music is racist and you're going to make me believe you're 60 years old???? I don't know what you've suffered in your pathetic life, but stop projecting so much. How can you talk like that at 60? You're old, senile, completely ignorant and you come to a Gay website at 60 to shit on it. Do something damnit!!!

I named the music I like you asshole. For your information, rock and roll is a music invented by black people. But I guess your education was limited to counting your toes. Now people would like you to leave them alone. When you're so obsessed with racism and see it everywhere, it means you've got something to blame yourself for. What this have to do with Trumpers, only you knows... The mediocrity at its best.

Get over your neuroses and learn to throw up in your toilet and not on the internet, you're pathetic moron. You are not 60 years old. You're just a bored idiot loser who comes to vent his frustration and his hatred on the DL.

^This was for R39 and R41

My god, the wokes are the biggest fascist in the world. Someone says he dislikes hip hop and they start yelling "racism". Even Hitler allowed more free thinking, people were allowed not to like Wagner.

The wokes are clearly racists and projecting their racism on others, because how the hell can you otherwise see racism in disliking crap music.

Writing off an entire genre is stupid. I also don't believe in anti-white racism.

Being an agist is stupid. The "Go to bed gramps" shit is tired.

We have a legion of gay rap fans at Datalounge? Who'da thunk it lol?

R46 So hating someone for his pigmentation is ok, if the pigmentation is pale?

Zoomer here. The genre has been riddled with bad apples ever since it was democratized via Soundcloud. Rappers (of whatever race or socioeconomic background they may be) not worth being spotlighted because of their character are held in high regard, and songs that are just grating rhythmically and lyrically top the charts.

To be fair, there are good ones. But they’re few and far between. Finding them is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Fuck yeah r49. White people run the goddamn western world. I think they can handle a little so-called "anti-white racism". For the record I'm also fine with BET existing and feel no need to ask for a White Entertainment Channel.

"You're old, senile, completely ignorant and you come to a Gay website at 60 to shit on it."

You are not this website. Narcissistic much? Geez, talk about a self-centered asshole. Someone calls you out on your racism and they're "shitting on the website?" Since when did you become Datalounge? And I've been posting here for over a quarter of a century.

Are you projecting because you just came on this website to troll with your right wing bigotry?

"60 years old with a 𝓻𝓮𝓽𝓪𝓻𝓭𝓮𝓭 brian like that??"

And you complain that you're being compared to Trump? (See link below).

Also, my name isn't "brian."

Furthermore, you can't argue that I am both a senile old man AND a younger person pretending to be old.

Since you're a troll, logic will never be your friend. And making a fool of yourself is inevitable. Once again, see below.

I can't believe this has to be explained, R49, but, "anti-white racism" is not a thing. ' If you "hate" someone online for their "pigmentation," it's really just criticizing white people for being cruel to minorities, which is not in dispute. There are centuries' worth of receipts.

But a white person never has to face hate in real life.

They do not face the same risks of being discriminated against in the physical day-to-day—denied a job, denied a place to live, denied a cab on the street, picked up by the police—just because of the color of their skin.

So can the "anti-white racism" shit. When you can't support yourself or find a place to live or can't pass a day without someone denying you service because of your white race, get back to us.

[quote]The genre has been riddled with bad apples ever since it was democratized via Soundcloud. Rappers (of whatever race or socioeconomic background they may be) not worth being spotlighted because of their character are held in high regard, and songs that are just grating rhythmically and lyrically top the charts. To be fair, there are good ones. But they’re few and far between. Finding them is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Who cares about "the charts," these days? How do people even experience "the charts"? It's not like in the '80s, when you'd listen to Casey Kasem's Top 40 countdown or MTV's weekly top list to see what was going on.

People listen to what the people in their social networks like.

If you're listening to any genre on Soundcloud, of course you're going to be sorting through needles in a haystack.

And again — you can listen to whatever the fuck you want, whenever you want, by customizing your playlists on streaming apps.

It's not like the '80s, where radio was your only outlet for live music. And you could always play a tape if you didn't like it!

Who is forcing you to listen to rap and hip-hop acts that bother you so much?

R51 You are completely ignorant. What percentage of white people are running the world? 1, 0,5. How many white homeless or living in vans, trailers, without medical insurance, working few lousy jobs to survive in US?

I, on the other hand, think that black people are equal and are not people with special needs and can stand the crititcism of some lousy musicians who happen to be of darker skin.

Funny how there are no racists when it comes to Jimmy Hendrix or Prince, not to mentions dome old bleusers or jazzers, but when someone doesn't buy the crap he must be racist.

[quote]Funny how there are no racists when it comes to Jimmy Hendrix or Prince, not to mentions dome old bleusers or jazzers, but when someone doesn't buy the crap he must be racist.

Just presenting R56's racist troll bullshit without comment, which is all it deserves.

R53 Yes, ignorant little head, it all happened in African countries. After some countries regained independence there was a lot of of vengeance snd discrimination against white people, so that they had to run away from the conutry they were born. If you knew something about the hiistory you would know how easy a spark of haterd burns into a flame against so called privileged tribes.

And I believe people on this site know something about discrimination being gay, especially older ones, more then you stupid little head full of crap lyrics and hypocritical woke ideology does.

R57 Are you really that stupid or just pretending to be?

R54, whoa chill. I just aired my observation. Perhaps it may have sounded like I kvetched about people listening to hiphop, but pardon me, I didn’t intend to do so. No need to be belligerent. And no, I wasn’t born yet in 80s lol.

As for charts, well, they still exist. While many of us couldn’t care less about which songs make it to the top x, they still serve as a prominent metric for a song’s success, not least when it comes to the number of plays it generates and thereby its economic value.

Just to back up what I said about charts: even Spotify crafts playlists based on the top songs in country at a given period.

What "individual songs" do you consider "any good," OP?

And which portray the "violence, vulgarity and sameness" that offend you so?

Please fill us in, so we can have a complete discussion here.

When trolling, it's best to start with a very specific target's very specific activity. You bit off more than you can chew here, babe.

[quote] "I liked the early years of rap and hip hop when there was a message in the music. Once the genre got popular and made lots of money for people, they no longer cared about the positive aspect of the music. It became negative."

How nice of you to tell urban black people, whose music was informed by generations of oppression, what was palatable for you to hear, R20. How big of you to help them in this way.

And of course, no white people ever changed their music once it made lots of money for their record company.

How come you queens that arevso concerned about billioners rappers being victims of racism, didn't give a shit about middle eastern victims of your imperialist politics.

It's jaw-dropping and horrifying to me, as a white-passing gay man of minority lineage, how many of you think you're above other minorities and will be spared the building religious fundamentalist/white-supremacist wave.

You won't be. Unless you fight for it at every possible opportunity.

"How come you queens that arevso concerned about billioners rappers being victims of racism, didn't give a shit about middle eastern victims of your imperialist politics."

How come when you lose an argument you have to change the topic with yet another lie and insult?

Oh, yeah. You're a troll.

R66 It's not the change of argument, it's an argument that shows all the hypocrisy of your sudden wokeness. And if you cared about the racism you would care about the real victims, people from ghettos, black children without future, all caused by the insane neoliberal politics of which Biden is a representative. But you shed tears for billionare crap musicians with Cartier chains.

People who e gage the trolls are as bad as the trolls now.

Just call them out, shame them and then ignore them. Don’t tango with them you fool.

So, everyone who sees through your hypocrisy is a troll. Even Stalin would have envied your argumentation.

"all caused by the insane neoliberal politics of which Biden is a representative."

[quote]BBC porn videos

Is that a thing, R4?

Link please!

I’m Black. I listen to a lot of the hip hop stuff. To me it’s fun. And I don’t take it seriously nor do I take it as a “how to” guide for life. The sad part is that for generations of young black kids, they take it all very seriously because they don’t have strong figures in their lives. But when you start talking about how the negativity in the culture bleeds into the problems in the black community in general, you’re labeled a “Coon” or “Uncle Tom.”

So my advice is to just deal. It’s never going away. I know how to have fun with it, but I also know how destructive it is to vulnerable minds. But I have no idea how to stop it and that is not my job.

And I know when I become a parent there’s no way to shield teenagers from it, so I guess my job will be to distinguish between entertainment and reality.

Yes, OP: 95% of RAP is CRAP. So you can feel totally at peace in ignoring the triggered Wokies who want to troll you by making it a racist issue. As an indication of how low the bar has become, the latest RAP 'star' being urgently pushed (by big money looking for a buck, behind the scenes) is someone who once would have been regarded as a bathroom singer, Lil Nas X.

R72, I was born in 1976, when this shit was riding the top of the charts.

I managed to avoid this philosophy on relationships and hairstyles, despite the pressure.

I love 80s and 90s rap. It was so good. Gone are the days of Regulator. Love that song.

This is not a cool or PC thing to say, but I feel since the year 2001, you had to be black, urban, and talk about n's and hos to get a spot in the Top 10.

R52 Of course i can't tell how old you are since you are acting like a teen. I'm going to ignore your whole stupid slobber it's too incoherent. I think people have responded to your idiocy enough. When you are able to say why not liking rap music is racist and why that makes me a Trumper, then you will have some credibility. Until then, you're just making a fool of yourself and that's fun to read. You have no arguments. You are the abysmal void, a poor troll who in his defense copy my words. I enjoy reading people ridiculing you, because that's all you deserve, you bitch. Find you a friend i told you you stink of loneliness and ignorance.

Wokies talkies, better do something to help black orphan children whose parents died of covid, then to accusing the ones who don't consider Drake modern day Mozart of being a racist.

Some of you people have no soul. Didn't you see that poor Asap Rocky had to wear his grandma' s blanket to Met Gala.

Who's gay in rap and hiphop? We need tea.

"You are the abysmal void"

And you are simply the Mary!-ist!

R72 Are you bisexual? I mean beacause of the parent thing.

"People on this website are really sick and so toxic. So now, if you don't like hip-hop, which is purely a matter of personal taste that can't be controlled, you're a racist? Seriously, how much longer are Americans going to use their obnoxious racism blackmail?"

It's working. Look at tv commercials. find one without black people. Few other minorities, just black.... in almost every one. Look at Broadway's diversity decree. The " racism" card worked.

R81 Oh how cute, what a scathing repartee! No really, I'm all upset. Seriously, you're such a garbage of humanity.

Anyways, so, still unable to say why not liking rap is racist?

Yeah, that's what I thought. You'll have to improve your trolling skills, you're not up to it yet. Amateur.

R36 nails it. (And R54 too)

[quote]Thanks to Sirius and my iphone that connects to my car radio, I almost never encounter music that I don't want to listen to.

I'm not sick of rap, hip hop or anything I dont like - because I simply never get to hear it, except for in very short bursts in the gym changing room when I go to swim (they pipe some top 40 station into there). There is a whole world of the kinds of music I like for me to explore in depth via streaming service like Deezer and Spotify, and explore it I do, I create my own playlists of which I have hundreds loaded into my phone. These things allow you to curate your own listening experience, and I've barely scratched the surface of what is available.

I dont possess a "radio" at home and the "radio" component of my car stereos I never use, havent even set any stations up, one doesnt even have the aerial connected. Why bother, they're all the same crap. Streaming services are where its at now

Top 10? Top 40? Dont know, dont care. I dont care what other people listen to

OP is racist because of the LAST thread they started on this subject that Muriel had to delete. He took out the racism in this post, but we see the dog whistle.

“Why have blacks lost their creativity? Their music used to be SOOO good in the 70s/80s/90s…”

R83, does it make you upset that you no longer see commercials with all white people?

"[R83], does it make you upset that you no longer see commercials with all white people?"

Of course you draw erroneous conclusions. My point is that all of a sudden, almost all of the tv commercials have black people in them. A few Asians, no Hispanics, no Native Americans. It's Madison Avenue's response to accusations of racism. In modern society, the racism card is working.... for blacks.

Like all pop music, it's made to appeal primarily to kids, deliberately simple and not very smart. I've hung out with rock critics who think they've teased out the more musically and intellectually sophisticated strands of pop, and they're just kidding themselves. If it entertains you, it's good, and that's it.

If you want grownup music, listen to jazz.

When I first heard rap as a kid in the early 80s I thought it was a fad. Who knew it would be the dominant genre of music 40 years later with no signs of ever going away.

None of the music of day or the last 20 years will be remembered or played in another 20 years time.

It'll all be forgotten. No Drake's or Bieber's etc.

The stuff of the 60s & 70s will still be played, .

They were timeless eras.

R91 Completely agree with you.

The younger guys I find cute and hang with all blare hip hop from their cars and...its all got this bleak, dirge-like quality to it. The rappers sound half asleep and drone on, they spit false rhymes and made-up words (aiming for catch phrases?) and its joyless. Sometimes I just can't take it and point some of this out....and these guys laugh sheepishly and seem to admit that yeah, they listen to it because it makes them seem cool and tough.

It's very macho stereotype reinforcing. Bitches suck my cock ...Imma fuck you up.....I'm da man....you so jealous of me...etc etc. Guys who want to appear straighter than straight eat that up. Even if they know it's sludge.

The music industry in general has been propping some horrid stuff lately. Every younger person I chat with... teen/college aged person I talk to agrees and says they prefer 90s or 00 stuff. Even 80s stuff.

I like Baby Got Back. I like Eminem stuff. But a little rap goes a looong way. I need a melody and variety of message.

I'm not a fan of rap *as it stands today.*

But I am not in general a fan of really repetitive music of any kind. I do feel a lot of earlier rap/hip hop was way more inventive. Stuff like De La Soul, for sure, and even Dre and 2Pac's "California Love" merged samples, a beat, some melody and a message.

I do get that, like punk was for disaffected white dudes, rap has become a channel for disaffected black dudes. I can appreciate it as its own style of art. And I understand why teenagers are attracted to it, as teenage boys loved punk and metal in earlier eras.

But today's rap just seems monotonous and samey samey. It's negative/angry in a way I just don't want to hear. The music is designed to make car windows vibrate, not take the listener on a journey.

We have no shortage of racists on the DL but no, I don't think disliking rap gets one an immediate "you're a racist!" card.

In the meantime, here's some phenomenal artists of color who are not repetitive: Kamasi Washington, Thundercat, Meshell Ndegeocello, Erykah Badu, 4hero and Cassandra Wilson, to name just a few. Some are more "jazz" than the mainstream where rap lives. Challenge yourself to sample them. Rappers will be sampling them in a few years anyway : )

When I’m in a supermarket or drug store that plus music 90% of it dates from the 70s or 80s. The young staff in these stores weren’t even born until a decade or two after this music was made and many of the artists are, sadly, dead. It’s the equivalent of going back to the 80s and 90s and hearing music from the 40s and 50s played in stores, which obviously wasn’t the case. In 20 years will they still be playing 80s music? At that point so if it will be over 60 years old.

I think a lot of current rap is shit and I’m a huge jazz fan so it’s not that I have anything against black culture. In fact I’d consider offensive to say hip hop culture today represents blacks as a whole.

It's not just rap and hip hop. Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Billie Eiliish, and Justin Bieber also suck.

And so does Olivia Rodrigo and all the other pop punk bands out right now.

Old school Hip Hop was good. LL Cool J, Queen Latifa, MC Lyte, Salt n Pepa, Ice T, Public Enemy etc. Now, it is mostly vulgar trash.

It's telling that the last "hit" songs I really liked were Despacito and Gangnam Style.

The genre once held promise.

Agree I’m really horrified by pop punk r98. Also why is everyone ignoring the shitty white rappers?

R102 I didn't mention it because it's exactly the same type of shit the OP was complaining about. Also should mention Chainsmokers who I wouldn't even know how to categorize. They are boring as fuck.

Raps origon started on SESAME STREET!!!! Go back to 80s and 90s ss and you can see for yourself. Stupid basic rhymes is what rap is its CRAP

I love all music except hip hop and rap “trap” music. It is the true soulless sound of corporate America ‘music industry’ putting on blackface. The people who make this stuff hardly rely on real instrumentalists or using actual song forms. What went wrong with verses, choruses and bridges in music? What’s wrong with music that sounds beautiful? Melody?

This modern music does not sound pretty. People listen to music with their eyes, because they idolize the star much more than their songwriting. They admire the album cover and music video itself over the song. My friends, this is not a racial grandpa issue, it is an issue that nobody tries writing music that is genuinely beautiful anymore.

It sounds fucking CHEAP. I love pop from the 50s-90s, classic rock, some metal, electric blues, soul/R&B from the 60s-90s, etc. Rap today sounds SO fucking cheap, like someone paid some dj $5 to crank out a hit. I recently heard this fucking song "Ayyy Macarena" from Tyga. Holy fuck, is that song bad!

Sorry r103 I wasn’t clear. I meant the people complaining about racism.

Rap is shit.

I loved early rap like Public Enemy and Ice-T.

You Americans are sick with your racial issues, projecting them everywhere. My dislike of recent music may well be due to age, but certainly not to race.

Same here R109

R82, because on straights and bi's have kids?...StFU!

Dancey vibey 2000s-2010s R&B needs to come back. There’s nothing good to shake your ass to anymore.

R111 Didn't mean to offend you, was curious because there are some bi guys on DL.

I grew up listening to hip-hop and I don’t listen to it much anymore.

I feel like the problem is it all sounds the same and for the most part.

When I was growing up, you could tell the distinction from where rappers were from. Every part of the US had its own sound - NY / East Coast, CA / West Coast and then you had the South and even the Midwest. Even like the Miami bass sound. They had distinguished snares and bass.

Now it’s all the same. Everything sounds like the South. Rappers even fake accents to sound like they’re from the south.

R114 true. The homogeneity is depressing.

That said, I get why the Durty Southern sound took over. There always was something more powerful and punchy and arresting about it. Most of my favourite ever artists in the game are Southern—Young Bleed, B.G., Mystikal, Juvenile, Scarface, Bun B., Rick Ross, Clipse etc.

Crap and Shit Hop.

Rap is a crap, but how can I be racist when my latest celebrity crush is Steve Lacy. Pretty, sweet and sensual. The things I would do to him... I am taller and stronger then him, but I don't know, though, whether I 'd be like Jagger who admitted he didn't have enough jag for black girls. And Steve is not a girl...

It’s the Grime era OP. Do keep up.

Vulgar violent thuggish ... And no melody. No thank you. It's overstayed its welcome.

I don’t hate rap at all, but I am sick of it right now.

[quote] all caused by the insane neoliberal politics of which Biden is a representative.

You are apparently unaware of history.

R121 Biden is the continuation of that history. Just a servant of the lords thst are making you poorer by the day. It was so important to them to get honest Bernie Saunders out of the way and install their puppet Biden.

The problem with rap and hip-hop is it spawned the omnipresent pop style that doesn't call for any singing talent. just people talking over a droning beat. It all sounds alike - no melody, no personality.

As far as I can tell, people who appreciate rap appreciate the inherent musicality of spoken word. This really is lost on some people, and that’s no indication of intelligence either way. It’s just the different ways each person enjoys language.

Even stopped clocks ate right twice a day. Disco and tap are shit music. Just baseline musical garbage

You listen to Delta Blues, Big Band music, the sheer variety and increasing innovation that characterised the Beatles' years together, never mi d of the Sixties generally . . .

The musical ideas underlying the wearisomely repetitive debased language of perpetual teen boy anger, and you have garbage.

Benny Goodman, Howlin' Wolf, Elvis, Chuck Berry, the Beatles, Joplin, the great jazz artists, Duke Ellington . . . They won't be losing any sleep over these sad clowns.

R125 back in the early days of African American music, critics said the same about prototypical blues & jazz as you’re saying now about rap & hiphop. Think about it.

R124 No, it isnt.

There is no musicality in the language of rap. It's the same easy rhyming of easy words expressing the same sorts of ideas over and over and over.

It's an excuse to avoid the obvious.

Musicality of language? Please. Give it up.

"Love looks not with the eye bit with the mind.

Thus is wing-ed Cupid ever painted blind."

One overwhelmingly poignant, bitter, familiar human truth wrapped up in one gorgeous simple couplet.

The cultural hallmark of the current is to pretend that there are no standards, so that people can feel better about themselves.

And the quality of the stuff produced by that mindset is the proof of the pudding.

You think Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, BB King, Benny Goodman, would have called that shit "music"?!

So disliking one genre of music = being racist against black people. People of all backgrounds have been shitting on country music and polka forever and no one ever calls them racist against whites. That whole argument is just so idiotic. 100% of today's mainstream music is garbage, be it pop, hip hop or dance music. They are actually the same thing these days. There's no real rock'n'roll, blues, folk or jazz music in the mainstream today. Please don't say Poo Fighters or Taylor Swift.

R11 Did disco promote violence, vulgarity, misogyny, drug use, homophobia, straight male supremacy like rap does? I don’t think its racist to have a distaste for a genre that celebrates these things. If so, then I will be a “racist” in a culture that does, by this twisted logic.

Disco was excellent music that has stood the test of time.

Don't compare it to Rap or Hip Hop.

Disco sucked. Zero artistic value. Cheap music to dance to. But so does mainstream hip-hop.

R131 - You know nothing.

R129 As a gay man, I appreciate rap for its “straight male supremacy”. It’s alpha music and masculine.

Compared to today’s post-emo / rock which is nothing but suicide music for white men. It’s angry and sad and all about self-deprecation and self-loathing. After being with a bisexual man for 4 years who was an emo kid who listens to that shit, I see that now. This summer I’ve hung around men who listen to rap and they’re fucking normal and don’t want to kill themselves.

Rap is cocky and decadent and all about feeding the ego. Except no surprise, the white rappers are usually “deeper” and gravitate towards being emo and self-deprecating too.

But this is a little random but since race is brought up.

And as far as violence and hate goes, white music wins.

You know black gospel shout music and white hardcore punk and metal have the same exact drum patterns. One uses an organ as a riff and the other uses the guitar. It’s the same fast tempo drums.

When you play this drum pattern, it makes black people dance and catch the Holy Ghost and feel the spirit of Jesus. When you play this drum pattern for white people, they create a violent mosh pit and makes them want to throw shit.

I recognized this as a teenager because I would go to shows and listen to punk and metal with my friends and the beat would make me want to do the shout dance lol.

I agree with r114... hip-hop is a huge genre of music now, Im a 90s/00s fan of hip-hop and now I am older and not really into what the kids have going on these days.

God only knows what you’re talking about re: drum patterns in metal music, R134. Metal has a dozen different subgenres and as a style of music it is incredibly complex a lot of the time. It is not pop music; it can be like rock’s version of classical.

[quote] [R125] back in the early days of African American music, critics said the same about prototypical blues & jazz as you’re saying now about rap & hiphop. Think about it.

It’s possible those critics were racist. Blues music tends to be very simple, with a lot of clichéd chord shapes and progressions, but jazz? How is something as complex the same as today’s rap and hip-hop?

I don’t have much to add to the criticisms of this genre—everything that’s been said is correct and valid—except that to me it’s funny that THIS is the genre that’s embraced by people who want to put forward a ‘tough’ image. THIS is the stuff that guys in my neighborhood blast on their cars’ speaker systems because they want to impress or threaten everyone with their machismo. This music is made by people who don’t play instruments, who sit in front of a desk using a computer’s mouse and a space bar. A paraplegic could create it. It is weak, nerdy, ignorant, electronic, computer-generated garbage. The machine does all the work. There’s nothing impressive about it if you’re a musician who understands how much skill and dexterity it takes to make actual music.

Picking up a guitar or a set of drum sticks and actually developing the skill set to produce music that is fearsome, emotional, cool, loud and violent, moving… THAT is impressive. That takes real skill and intellect. And getting onstage and reproducing it, using your own hands to produce each note and sound, instead of pressing the button on a sampler or the space bar on a fucking laptop? THAT is real musicianship. There is nothing impressive or cool or macho about getting on stage with a baseball cap on and aggressively prowling around with your microphone while someone else presses the space bar to provide the backing beat to your spoken-word rant.

And this is to say nothing of the non-rap ‘artists’ whose slightly more melodic music is just as computerized, non-musical, and devoid of skill.

As "white music" covers six centuries, stretching from gregorian chants and early music through transformations from the baroque to the classic to the heroic to the romantic to the impressionist to the modern . . . And if you're limiting it to 20th century popular music, I'd like to know where the racist misogyny is in everything from "These Foolosh Things" to "Here Comes the Sun".

That's all White music. You pick up with some of the Stones' covers, yeah, or some of the blues that bands like Cream, and some of the stuff Goffin Kind put out there like It's My Life that got the Animals a hit . . .

But packing all the that into White Music is ludicrous and ignores the 600 years that went before it.

And it doesn't even remotely contain even the popular music of the early and WWII years of American popular music.

Just the artistry and musicianship that the Big Band era had without vocals was stupendous.

Rap can't break hearts. You listen to Billie Hollllliday, your fucking heart breaks. You listen to Goodman, your spirit soars. You listen to Satisfaction, your body throbs.

There is no comparison.

And, as I said, we won't even get into Beethoven's late piano sonatas and string quartets.

Yeah, those are "white music", too.

And, yeah, I listen to all of it.

^*Goffin King

And I don't know where all those "l" came from in Holiday.

I may not have read through all the replies thoroughly, but have you ever thought of just not listening to it? If you stream music, there are countless other choices; if you listen to the radio, there are countless other stations; if you still listen to CDs, surely you must have ones that you like? Why bitch and moan like some bitter, nasty eldergay? Just mind your own business.

I agree with everything you wrote, of course R137. I truly don’t understand what people are “getting” out of current rap/trap/crunk/hip-hop that is moving to them. Does it give people goosebumps? I can’t imagine it does. Maybe there’s something about the computer-generated “trap snare” that really tickles a pleasure center in someone’s brain, or impresses them in some other way. God only knows.

By the way, the latest Great White Hope, Billie Eilish, is guilty of all of this, too.

R139, some of us are ‘music people’ and just don’t understand why this garbage has become THE dominant style of music of the past 20 years. It used to be possible to just turn on the radio and hear all kinds of great, musical music, because actual *musical* music (not be confused with musicals, by the way) was THE dominant style. Why did real music ever have to go out of fashion?

It would be like if real movies were replaced by TikTok videos as the dominant form of long-form visual entertainment and storytelling. That’s basically what’s happened with music. “Who cares? Just don’t watch the TikTok videos. You have to seek out actual movies if that’s what you want. Why does it bother you that the majority of visual entertainment and storytelling is 60-second videos made by boring, retarded children, GRAMPS?”

Yeah I used to be a fan but I'm sick of it. There are hardly any rock or pop bands that are popular any more. I didn't think hip hop would last this long, it's outlasted so many other genres and regularly forces everything else off the charts, and it's rappers you never heard of and won't hear of ever again in many cases.

By the way, this popular culture problem doesn’t affect just music. It’s pervasive across the landscape. It’s worth examining: why has this happened? Is there any way back? Will Hollywood forever be beholden to China, endlessly churning out CGI superhero digital movies for export because they’re the only type of movie that makes Hollywood any money? Is that a problem worth caring about, if you’re the sort of person who loves movies?

R143 If you live in an oliigarchy, it effects everything. The arts are no longer emphasized in any significant way in our culture, certainly not in schools. We consider X-Men and Star Wars the height of culture.

I always expect such threads to be cuntentious, yet the charges of racism here are off the charts. What about Blacks who hate this genre? ARE they all self-loathing, maladapted people?

I listen to music for how it makes me feel, and the sound of this doesn't make me feel good. There's nothing deeper beneath this assertion. I enjoy countless Black artists' music of other genres. To be fair, there's a Cypress Hill song on the radio that didn't bother me all that much, but I think that was the only time I was surprised it didn't jar my nervous system. I don't typically enjoy White or Latino Rap either for the same reasons. To each his own.

R136 What do you mean god only know what I’m talking about? I said PUNK and HARDCORE METAL. I’m aware of metals genres which is why I specifically stated hardcore metal. Or trash or folk punk.

Jookabox’s “You Cried Me” Minor Threat’s “I Don’t Want to Hear It” The Distillers’ “Oh Serena” The Adverts “One Chord Wonders” Bad Brains “Pay to Cum”

Are some examples of what I’m talking about. Same drum patterns as shout music and praise breaks in gospel.

And I still have to read everything you’re talking about and I agree with a lot but punk and metal, some of it worked because the bands were so shitty. There were a lot of shitty musicians in punk and thrash and grunge, some of that was the point.

None of this hip hop rap shit be be played or remembered in 10-20 years time.

Consigned to the cultural dustbin of history.

Sorry I guess I mis-read what you wrote, R146. Disregard that part.

R147 and others have raised a good point: which songs of the last 20 years in popular rap/hip-hop are today regarded as classics? And who remembers them or still listens to them? I don’t know who most of the artists are or what the songs are called. What I hear of it usually comes from car stereos and the couple times I’ve actually Shazam’d a song, it was an artist I never heard of.

Are there any modern classics of this genre?

R148, bestie boys.

R148,

Besties boys, license to ill album.---fight for your right, no sleep til brooklyn,

check your head album-so what'cha want

And rap can absolutely break hearts.

One of my favorite rap songs is Black Rob’s “Life Story” which is about coming to peace with his abusive alcoholic mother. That song is heartbreaking.

Scarface’s “Smile”, 2Pac’s “Dear Mama” and “I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto”, Common’s “The Light”, Ghostface Killah’s “All That I Got Is You”.

Different strokes for different folks. If you’re not listening to it, you won’t find stuff to move you. To say all rap is soulless and about sex and drugs is cliche.

Not liking rap music is racist? Since when? Likely posted by a 'woke' white person!

The 'woke' whites on this website always sound so clueless when discussing racial issues. I almost feel bad for their stupidity. I can only imagine where some of you grew up, likely not in any kind of mixed or urban community.

I assume most of the white men on this site grew up middle class and upper middle class, yet, here you are telling other white folks how they should perceive certain racial issues and what kind of music they should find acceptable? Give it a rest.

How about the fact that not all Black people automatically enjoy rap music? I'm biracial, I grew up in a mixed community in Brooklyn. I have working musicians in my family, because of that, I was exposed to all kinds of music during my entire life. Not just Rap and Hip-Hop, what a fucking stereotype, all Black people don't only listen to 'Black' music and certainly not only Rap. .

Personally, as far as Rap, I prefer old-school rap, Run DMC, NWA, Beastie Boys, Queen Latifa, Body Count (yes, I know they were rock/rap), Wu-Tang Clan, Mos Def and many of the original rappers who actually sounded much different from today's rappers. Today's rappers all seem to sound the same (the ridiculous Migos) and some of today's rappers are more into their ridiculous image than producing original music. Cardi B is a great example of this. Her rapping isn't so great and his stripper image is ridiculous. I won't even get into her sounding illiterate during interviews.

Lots of Black people also enjoy listening to old school jazz (Miles Daeis etc), R'n'B, avant -garde jazz artists such as the aforementioned Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Pharoah Sanders and Don Cherry. Imagine, some Black people even enjoy hard rock while others like Abba and MOR music! But the white people at DL keeping putting individuals into a box. DL is always categorizing something and that includes Black people.

'Black music' is not defined solely by Rap and Hip-Hop. White men of DL, get a fucking clue!

I also hate all that whispering singing style. FUCK THAT!

All the shit today is stealing from the shit from decades ago or they are sampling from songs etc. nothing original. it's all been done.

R149/159 — the last twenty years, is what I was asking. It’s only in the last 20 that today’s iteration of rap/hip-hop has become utterly dominant. The styles of music (and lyrics) on those Beastie Boys recordings are plainly different from what we’re discussing in this thread.

[quote] [R149]/159 —

I meant to write R149 and R150

I'm sorry but I don't understand how these whores have an ounce of self respect, grinding on the stage almost naked. Their parents must be so proud.

Then don’t listen to it, OP.

That’s what I do with country-western and hard rock. I despise it. So, I don’t listen to it.

PS, I do miss old school soul music with real singers and musicians playing real instruments.

We’re already not listening to it, R158. We’re complaining about / wondering why it’s been the DOMINANT form of music in the last couple decades. It’s a given that we’re not intentionally listening to it.

I agree with you, OP. And to the people who say "just don't consume it": as it was that easy. Rap and hip hop are now literally everywhere - commercials, at the pub/shop you enter to buy stuff, at sports matches and many more scenarios. It's proliferating like cancer and it's so toxic. There's no harmony in anything, music or lyrics, it makes my ears bleed. It' a channel to spread violence and sexism, and it glamourizes drugs, rape, ghetto culture, bad words/behaviour and much more. It ruined Black communities first, and then White communities. It should be banned.

[quote]— the last twenty years, is what I was asking.

There have been numerous classics from the 2000s. Dr. Dre, Snoop (Ble Carpet Treatment), on and on.

You all are complaining about mainstream rap. If mainstream rap were more political and substantive, you would be complaining about that too. The foundation of rap/hip hop is social justice.

*Blue

Dr. Dre had an album that’s as popular/classic as The Chronic? I’m not aware of any songs from it.

Also, Cardi B isn't black...

I don't listen to it. all shite. same as taylor swift. crap.

R161 It is ubiquitous, and I'll admit that I find it highly annoying: especially when I'm in a restaurant, or in shops, but you paint with too large a brush for my sensibilities.

I don't wish to live in a world that bans certain types of music. We're alteady living (or many merely existing) in a dystopian world as it is. That would be the coup de grâce for me.

[quote] Dr. Dre had an album that’s as popular/classic as The Chronic? I’m not aware of any songs from it.

Never heard of 2001? Okay so it was released in 1999 not in the last 20 years but close enough. Saying there has been no good hip hop in the past 20 years is stupid, though. Lil Watne, Nas, Outkast, Snoop, Eminem, Jay-Z, some of the most well known rap of all time.

* Wayne

R139 It has a huge influence on youth and society, which makes it a more complex issue than you are alluding to. You must be a simple one.

[quote] Never heard of 2001? Okay so it was released in 1999 not in the last 20 years but close enough. Saying there has been no good hip hop in the past 20 years is stupid, though. Lil Watne, Nas, Outkast, Snoop, Eminem, Jay-Z, some of the most well known rap of all time.

I didn’t say “no good hip hop”. Anyway, aside from that great OutKast song, “Hey Ya”, I don’t know any songs by any of the other artists you mentioned. Of course I know the names of those artists as they are giants of the genre, but I truly don’t know any of their songs.

R148. Yes.

We don’t regard the music as classics but Gen Z does. Like, Cam’ron’s “Hey Ma” is huge amongst Gen Z. And they still play 50 Cent’s “In The Club” all the time on the radio. There’s others but those ones stick out to me the most.

The dumb bitch troll screeching "woke" in every single one of its replies needs to be thrown in a grease fire.

[quote] It was so important to them to get honest Bernie Saunders out of the way and install their puppet Biden.

More conspiracy nonsense.

R161 that’s what they said about jazz, blues, rock and roll. Again, all started with black genres. “devils music”. I think they banned black jazz in Nazi Germany because of its negative influence if I’m not mistaken.

[quote]I don’t know any songs by any of the other artists you mentioned. Of course I know the names of those artists as they are giants of the genre, but I truly don’t know any of their songs

I'm not sure what your point is? - This isn't about what songs you know. Anyway, you don't know any songs by Eminem? How is that possible? Never heard Beautiful by Snoop Dogg and Pharrell?

I agree that wokism is not the driving force, but it plays a role—especially when it comes to the music industry at large. A lot of the players (journalism, festival organizers, other media and minor music business functionaries) would probably be happier if this type of music wasn’t utterly dominant, but in order to keep their jobs they have to go along with it.

I look at a website like Pitchfork, which started out never covering this type of music, and how they’ve transformed into more of a “we cover all types of music” operation. Not because they were just naturally adept at discussing and rating it, or because their staff were big hip-hop fans, but because it was so obviously the dominant form of music, especially in the 2010s, so in order for them to stay relevant enough to sell advertising space, they had to cover it.

But there is also wokism at play, too.

R177, no I’ve never heard that song. I have however definitely heard that 50 Cent song, “In Da Club”.

R178, Pitchfork is awful today. It's a joke. It used to have great review (even if I didn't agree with them). Now they are reviewing shit like Ariana Grande. WTF??

I feel like you guys are blaming hip-hop too much on today’s society of lack of melodies. I remember watching a video that showed the lack of melodies even in scores of movies. And someone said Billie Ellish was the last white hope, “Bad Guy” has absolutely no melodies in it.

I think it has to do with technology.

My friend is a graphic designer and we were talking about the decline or fancy and artistic logos and fonts and he said logos have to be simple now because everyone is using cell phones so logos and fonts are less busy and more simple now and designed for easy reading and to adapt to your phone.

And that might be the same with music today. I don’t know. I think there’s a connection.

Yeah I think Pitchfork being sold to Condé Nast a while ago has a lot to do with them reviewing Ariana Grande and others.

They are indeed an absolute joke. So is Rolling Stone for that matter, but they went down the shitter decades ago.

i'm sorry but at least black jazz or whatever that was banned etc...real musicians with real talent playing instruments.

Celeste has a very good voice.

[quote] And someone said Billie Ellish was the last white hope, “Bad Guy” has absolutely no melodies in it.

What I meant to say (and thought I said) was that Eilish is sort of held up as the standard bearer of young, white, solo “alternative” music. I think I read somewhere that she’s seriously thought of as the new Kurt Cobain or something. The second part of what I said was that she’s guilty of all the cliches and lack of musical talent that the hip-hop artists we’ve been disparaging.

R181 I agree that technology is at the root of the problem. Can you imagine where we’d be if laptops weren’t the primary musical instrument nowadays?

R181, hip hop does dseerve the majority of the blame for the lack of melody and harmonies in every popular song today. That's where that came from, hip hop. Generation Z listens to music for different reasons than previous generations, they pretty much only like music as background noise. Hence their love for shit like Drake, Ariana, most hip-hop, etc.

There’s real musicianship in hip-hop.

I think sampling is a talent and really cool.

The art of recycling music, some had been long forgotten, and making a new song out of it. And mixing them together. Some songs are made using drum patterns from one song, then they use another for the melody and etc. Some rap songs are 4-5 songs mixed together to create a new song. I think that’s cool.

I mean you think about a song like Blackstreet’s “No Diggity” and it’s a sample of Bill Withers “Grandma’s Hands”.

R148 And that woeful observation is true across the board. It cuts across most art forms and most ethnic divisions.

One Direction ain't exactly the Beatles, the Who, the Kinks (speaking of subversive), even the fucking Beach Boys movint on from stuff like Help Me, Rhonda to stuff like Good Vibrations and Slooo John B. The variety and creativity and multitude of styles and sounds was just insane.

You heard growth, artists maturing. You go from I Wanna Hold Your Hand to Sergeant Pepper blending solid rock with a Bach trumpet riff . . .

The standards for just about everything went out the window some time in the 1970s.

I feel sorry for the shit kids have today when I remember the Sixties and what burst out then.

I don't say it was all on the same level, I wasn't much into Led Zeppelin, for example, speaking of misogynist, but there was so much and so much variety.

Everything is by formula now. Everything. Music, films, political thought. There's nothing freewheeling about it any longer.

It is said every age gets the politics it deserves. Well, seems like it's true about art, too.

^*Sloop John B

R187 The repetition in dance / electronic music has no accountability in this?

I mean dubstep and EDM was really huge for a while. EDM destroyed choruses in popular music. Most pop songs today have no choruses today they’re just music breakdowns. That’s not hip-hop’s fault.

R191, I think trap music deserves the majority of the blame. But I see your point about EDM and dubstep.

Yes, trap is the main culprit, along with streaming.

R189 you sound like you don’t have Spotify. Everything isn’t by formula. Pop music has always been by formula. I mean all the music from the 50’s uses the same exact chords. There’s a million songs from then that sound like “Earth Angel” and “Stand By Me” with different lyrics.

You guys need to listen to Thundercat’s “Funny Thing”. It’s a fun funky sexy disco song. It’s not on the radio but it’s popular.

Lou Val’s “Eternal Sunshine” is a 1950’s revival song. Junior Mesa’s “Losing My Grip” is a 1970’s soft rock revival song.

But Gen Z isn’t just listening to mindless rap with no melodies. Right now there’s popular music that takes inspiration from the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s. Gen Z doesn’t listen to the radio, they listen to Spotify!

Then the indie girls. Snail Mail (“Heat Wave”, “Thinning”), Remi Wolf (“Photo ID”, “Guy”). Hazel English’s “I’m Fine”.

Clairo is super popular and I hear “Sofia” on the radio.

Sounds like we need a thread of contemporary music for people to discover. Today’s music scene isn’t just mindless trap. The kids are actually ok musically. I mean yes you guys have points about popular music but indie kids where the real scene is, is not like this at all.

I don't use spotify. I don't like apps. they steal all your contacts and info and profit off them. no thank you.

I know it's hard to avoid apps but I try.

If I like the music, I go out and buy the CD or vinyl. It's much better for the music artists. They make fuck all from streams.

Never been a fan. If it's of any consolation, I can't stand Lawrence Welk either.

But really music is still vibrant and fun. Like I said listen to Thundercat’s “Funny Thing”. I want to put on silver high heels like Diana Ross in The Wiz and dance on the Soul Train.

Like right now I’m listening to Remi Wolf. She’s very Tom Tom Club and 80’s R&B with a dash of hip-hop. “Guy” is beautiful. “Photo ID” is a fun roller skating jam and “Shawty” is a very trap-inspired R&B lesbian song.

And then Serena Isioma! Her song “Sensitive”. It’s an incredible assaulting song. But she can also make a song like “Valentina”.

[quote] There’s real musicianship in hip-hop.

[quote]I think sampling is a talent and really cool.

Okay, you lost me there. Sorry. Peace out.

R198? How so? Making good music out of samples isn’t easy. It takes an ear. I mean is it more talented when Daft Punk does it or something?

I mean I’d be curious if anti-hip-hoppers stance on electronic music. Cause they use sampling and synths and drum machines as well.

I mean you guys can’t say hip-hop is talentless and then go off and listen to Basement Jaxx and shit.

R197, ‘indie kids’ are not mainstream. This thread is about rap and hip-hop which has been the dominant style the last 20 years.

Yes, I know there are good musicians in the ‘underground’ so to speak (I’ve discovered a bunch of them). My tastes are quite a bit different from yours, though (and I suspect I’m a bit—or a lot—older than you), so I’m not looking for something to inspire me to put on high heels and dance like Diana Ross. I prefer heavier, guitar-based music (and no, Snail Mail definitely does not fit that bill), and it’s out there, it just isn’t anywhere near dominant, and I wish it were.

King Gizzard’s thrash metal album, Infest The Rats Nest, is incredible. Really all their music is incredible, though that’s the only one that sits well with me aesthetically. Good heavens, to the person who thinks samples take skill—take a look and listen to King Gizzard for an example of what real skill and musicianship looks like. Fucking hell!

Anyway, I even have a problem with popular indie music nowadays in that it doesn’t resemble the meat and potatoes indie rock of the early/mid-90s, because the kids today making it are more influenced by softer 80s sounds. It’s novel to them because they didn’t grow up with it. So there’s an avalanche of synthesizers in that music. Better than rap/hip-hop stylistically, of course, just not what I want to be listening to. Trust me, I’m aware of what’s out there.

R201, was indie music always so whiny and emo? I don't remember it being that way in the early/mid 00s.

R200, Gary Numan had some good stuff. I like a lot of Devo but especially their ‘Hardcore’ compilations of their basement recordings. Again, actual acoustic instruments that require skill—not just pressing keys or a space bar or using samples. I’ve never liked electronic music; Devo and Gary Numan’s “Cars” are about as far as I’ll go with that style.

[quote] [R201], was indie music always so whiny and emo? I don't remember it being that way in the early/mid 00s.

Well, no, but indie rock (different from indie pop, by the way) hasn’t really been ‘itself’ since the mid 90s I would say. The whiny/poppyness started with The Shins and their popularity, which also dovetailed with the bands that got smeared with the ‘freak folk’ tag (Fleet Foxes, Joanna Newsome, I forget who else). Indie rock was eclipsed by indie pop, and now guitar-based indie pop is merging with synth-based indie pop.

The growly, Les Paul + distortion pedal indie rock of the early 90s hasn’t been in vogue for a while, sadly. It was the last ‘tough’ kind of indie. A lot of those bands are still around, as are the post-punk, noise rock guys, they just have a much lower profile because of all those others styles of music we’ve been discussing. Thankfully there still ARE kids discovering those bands.

Easy answer: don’t listen and go listen to what you like.

Those of us who do enjoy rap and hip-hop will continue to listen to it.

Stop being a music elitist and stop trying to force your taste down our throats.

Fuck off, luv

R134 You liked shitty hard core and metal. None of the metal and punk music I listen to encourage violence and there's no violent moshing and beating up at the concerts.

R169 "Saying there has been no good hip hop in the past 20 years is stupid, though. Lil Watne, Nas, Outkast, Snoop, Eminem, Jay-Z, some of the most well known rap of all time."

You are calling that good rap? Eminem, Lil Wayne, Snoop gotta be some of the worst musicians in the history of music. Snoop Dogg sounds like he has the IQ of a toddler when being interviewed. Their lyrics are just so stupid, simplistic, juvenile..

R185 -I think I read somewhere that she’s seriously thought of as the new Kurt Cobain. Well, whoever thinks that is a fucking moron. She's a complete opposite of Kurt Cobain. I don't think she could be more opposite, actually. She represents everything he hated. Fame, being materialisic, Hollywood, fashion industry and all the other vain crap. Plus Nirvana came from the underground, she's an industry plant that has zero to do with underground music or culture.

R206 😚👍🍻

Just listen to Lauryn Hill! She is all you need.

The best stuff was up late 1970s until the early 2000s. The overwhelming majority of today's rap & hip-hop sucks ass.

My motivation, R15, is that I like music that sounds good. BTW, I wasn't too fond of disco back in the day either for the same reason, one vulgar line repeated over and over again to a monotonous beat.

Blacks make sure you know what they have on their car radios, you can hear the vulgarity five blocks away. Oh, to have the power to point one's finger and have the radio blasted to bits.

Nicki Minaj is a better rapper than Drake. I'm a writer and I don't like his lyrics.

R207 It’s irrelevant what you listen to though, it’s still about the genre. I mean punk and metal brought Swastikas back. To say punk and metal didn’t promote violence or homophobia or straight male supremacy is false. You had full on skinhead music and culture in the 80’s and 90’s. There were bands in the genres that fought that. But to say punk and metal has no violent themes or messages or is apart of its edge is silly talk. It didn’t matter if you listened to them. I listen to rap and I don’t listen to songs that have violence in them.

Is violence prevalent in most rap songs, or is that a misconception? I’m genuinely wondering; I really don’t know. Because you hear a lot about the gang-banger lifestyle that’s exalted in rap… I don’t think most people associate metal with violence. Maybe with cartoonish depictions of Devil worship, or something. But you can’t say that neo-Nazism and devil worship are as big a problem as, say, gang violence in Chicago.

(I’m also not saying gangsta rap is directly responsible for gang violence in urban areas.)

Italians exalt mafia lifestyle...white Americans exalt mafia lifestyle as well...

Right, and all that Italian music that dominates the airwaves has a lot to answer for!

Mafia violence is positively *burning through* the suburbs. 50 dead every weekend on Long Island due to Mafia hit jobs.

No, because Italians use black gang-bangers...

Also, America is a capitalist society. White Americans don't want to listen to 'woke' or socially conscious rap music.

[quote] Also, America is a capitalist society. White Americans don't want to listen to 'woke' or socially conscious rap music.

They don’t?

Do black Americans primarily want to listen to woke rap music?

Black Americans listen to more diverse rap. The rap black people listen to is often considered underground or nerdy.

Do white people listen to Black Thought or Common?

I think white suburban kids literally listen to gangster rap to be scared. Their motivations for listening to rap music is not the same as black listeners.

Rappers have the privilege to be the only ones excluded from wokism, they can insult women, call them bitches, promote violence sgsinst them, rap slurs about fags (although there are a lot of rumours about "men fans" in this society), and yet not be cancelled.

So if blackmail rappers "steal" music samples, they're despicable thugs.

But if pretty white girls "borrow" music samples, their creative artist using Musical Interpolation.

Ok OP, Did the Asian dry cleaning company ruin your white Hood?

*Black Male NOT Blackmail

[quote] You heard growth, artists maturing. You go from I Wanna Hold Your Hand to Sergeant Pepper blending solid rock with a Bach trumpet riff . . .

I think there's a lot of growth from 5 Seconds Of Summer, for ex., from teen bops to *much* more mature music on their last two, Youngblood and Calm. I get dragged for listening to them, but they're a good mainstream band and they write and play, they're treated like a boy band. Just an example.

I love blackbear

Just saw this commercial and it made me think of this thread. This hideous music is definitely directly inspired by the hip-hop we’ve been discussing. This is what pop music is now.

But my beautiful Steve Lacy isn' t in hip hop, is he? I mean the guy isn't Jimmy Hendrix, but is much prettier then him. Wish he could be mine.

R231

That song is a banger.

Pull the sticks out of y’all’s asses.

And take that stick and ram it down the throats of pretentious twits that use 'y'all'.

I love hip hop. It drives modern culture and style. What current music do y’all listen to?

luv, you have hideous taste in music, I’m sorry to say.

Anything is better than C&W.

I sho' nuff love Brazilian music! Gimme some Jobim, Gilberto Gil, Gal Costa and some Milton Nascimento, yas SUH!

If y'all gonna use Southern patois, might as well use 'em all!

R233 It's fucking garbage. A 10 year old could come up with this shit.

R235 Why are you assuming OP listens to current music? All the new music that I like ke is underground.

[quote] It drives modern culture and style.

Yes, we’ve noticed.

R237 you'd hate my streaming playlists then!

It's been stuck for about 15 years - same shit over and over.

There's been nothing really new or different. I thought people like Missy Elliott was going to lead the way to new artists and creativity - and nope.

The 2000's stopped creativity in a LOT of music.

But here's the thing - a lot of music and fashion across the board has been very 'same' the past 15 years. It's hard to distinguish a specific year in photos anymore - or even within 5 years.

There's not much new anymore - in hip hop, fashion, music, etc. We're creatively stuck - we've done it all.

Everyone's sick of that JUNGLE MUSIC!

15 or even 20 years, I’d say, R243. And it just keeps getting worse.

[quote] Raps origon started on SESAME STREET!!!! Go back to 80s and 90s ss and you can see for yourself.

I was about to explain that rap actually started in the 70s in the Bronx, but then I realized I was trying to engage intellectually with someone who posted the phrase "Raps origon."

I’m always amazed when I travel internationally. What one hears in taxis and public spaces is pop radio songs from the 70s thru 90s. Nothing more recent. It’s quite telling. We are stalled. For instance, in the 70s, one didn’t hear playlists from the 30s thru 50s….

I have never been a big rap/hip-hop fan but I am really enjoying a lot of the late '70s and '80s rap/hip-hop. Love The Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash, Whodini, Eric B. and Rakim, Run DMC and The Fat Boys.

It seemed more fun back then. I didn't care for a lot of the rap in the '90s, though I can listen back and appreciate a lot of the work from Tupac and Biggie.

Sick of it?

I NEVER liked rap/hip hop to begin with.

Back when I was growing up, when you didn't like a song, you could easily tune it out or forget about it as soon as it stopped playing. Today's pop music (and rap) is so aggressively bad that it irritates you every second its within earshot and worst of all it'll burrow into your head long after it's over until you just want to ram your head into the wall. R231 is a perfect example

I love hip hip

Every time I see that fucking commercial I linked at R231 (I see it every day, by the way), I think about how DLer ‘luv’ called it a banger, and my mind reels. I cannot even imagine thinking that song was anything other than infantile, grating, and retarded. But no, apparently it’s a “banger”.

You’re tired, OP

Haven't read the posts, OP, but I am totally with you! I cannot stand the vulgarity.

Hate the shit music that is now turned out. Agree Miss OP.

I loved Public Enemy and Ice T, but I hate the vacuous, obscene, angry stuff of the last 20+ years.

Missed opportunity for an interesting thread.

^^ huh?

The wave of nihilistic hip hop and rap we saw in the 2010s is dead. These things come in cycles. You can see now that a lot of current artists are now looking to the rock/grunge music of the '90s for inspiration. Doja Cat released a Hole cover a couple of weeks ago for fuck's sake.

I guess I'm a racist and ageist but I just don't like it. I don't think it's good music. I am old (65) and grew up loving Beatles, Stones, Motown, classic soul, Carpenters, some hard rock, all kinds of music. And there were some early rap songs like "The Message" I thought were brilliant. But most of it now is just bad.

I like Doja Cat

How will Ari Melber survive without it?

R259 Doja Cat is not a rapper and she’s not cool. She’s a pop singer like Katy Perry to Gen Z.

Trap is the new punk. But the music is still trap. The fashion and art is inspired, some samples, but it’s trap.

I love indie and alternative music but it’s not popular and it’s very millennial

Gen Z is all about trap. Rock music sounds like jazz and swing music to them.

But the music is punk. It reminds me of Yoko Ono and punk bands like The Adverts and The Germs.

I absolutely love Playboi Carti’s “Whole Lotta Red” album.

R260 Old people don’t like loud music after a certain point.

True, R264.

R217 Male dominated genres are all generally violent. White musicians have glorified murder, drugs, sex, and suicide for decades.

Johnny Cash can sing songs about murder to murderers and Lou Reed can sing about being a junkie but Biggie rapping about robbing someone is like OMG criminal.

As a millennial, emo music has done way more damage to my generation than hip-hop. Romanticizing and glamorizing depression and mental disorders. I think emo music and culture shaped this new crybaby mom-binar LGBT scene.

Come back UP WITH PEOPLE 1982 Super Bowl Half Time Show .....all is forgiven!

[quote] I am sick of the vulgarity and violence of it,

It's composed and performed by VULGARIANS!

I hate it too, OP.

I'm truly surprised they've lasted as long as they have. I thought they'd last as long as disco, max. I guess the read in is you don't need much musical talent for these forms.

[quote] Old people don’t like loud music after a certain point.

It's not the volume,; we don't understand the lyrics.

STFU R15, Disco sucks simply because....... it SUCKS, not because it's "gay music" (WTF? Never heard that absurd idea before).

Same with rap and hiphop. It's just horrible music.

ITA with R260. The time of our youth ---the 60's and 70's--- was the golden age of music. There is no denying it.

HipHop (in its current incarnation) has the advantages that it promotes consumerism and living-above-your-means-by-any-means. Attractive to both the business & financial world and private prison industry. The artists’ lack of musical skill or talent can be easily compensated by technology and a ruthless commercial/hustling mindset. Also the political/countercultural aspect has been successfully undermined ever since the late 90s, so it offers a quasi-rebellious, insta-identity for teens without undermining society.

On very very very rare occasions, rap actually enhances a song.

This one is one of those unicorn occasions, where the hard-edged of rapping reduces the original saccharine quotient, making it more palatable

^^ the hard edge of

[quote]The last 40 years must have been especially difficult for your lily white ass.

You have no idea.

Also, hip hop is rawly, unapologetically, aggressively macho and politically incorrect. Modern listeners love its beat-driven aggressiveness. It celebrates the outlaw, urban streets, and unrefined hipness. It makes people feel tough, macho, dominant, which is intoxicating.

Congratulations, OP, your post has the most WWs I've ever seen.

R263 please explain how Trap is like Punk? I don’t get it.

Awful music, almost everything is about ass and h*es. 🤢

The fixation on ass has been a cultural boon for men seeking men.

It will never be as good as listening to Fred Waring and the Pennsylvanians.

R280 It's not. He knows nothing about punk. Punk wasn't about popularity, materialism, egotism, flashiness, fame etc.

[quote]Punk wasn't about popularity, materialism, egotism, flashiness, fame etc.

Until those bands became popular, famous, and subsequently materialistic and egotistical.

Im a mid-30's POC who grew up in the 90s. I don't listen to hip-hop post trap-era (yes hip-hop is a huge genre with many subsets). Trap music has dominated for a decade now, its just not my taste and I've aged out. Just because something is not my preference doesn't mean I "hate" it. A lot of people here are talking about hip-hop as if its a huge monolith, just like they do black people I'm sure.

I don't listen to rap or hip hop and my last boyfriend of 4 years was black and he was also not into it, he loved rock like me. I'm a gay guy he's bi.

It's stupid to call someone racist just because they dislike a genre. I like RnB to have sex.

[quote]Im a mid-30's POC who grew up in the 90s. I don't listen to hip-hop post trap-era (yes hip-hop is a huge genre with many subsets). Trap music has dominated for a decade now, its just not my taste and I've aged out. Just because something is not my preference doesn't mean I "hate" it. A lot of people here are talking about hip-hop as if its a huge monolith, just like they do black people I'm sure.

R260 here. You're right. I've never heard of trap and I don't know all of the numerous subsets of hip-hop. It is a monolith of mostly bad music to me with few exceptions. But to say that extends to judging people is actually racist. I'm sure there are all kinds of subsets of country music I'm not aware of and I do think of it as a twangy monolith that with few exceptions, I don't like.

Somehow when the Brits do it, it just sounds way more cool

And combining British talents and certain sub- genres of rap/hip hop, it naturally leads one to that 90s phenomenon, Trip Hop: hiphop on acid/tranquiliser

How about you just don’t listen to it then, OP? Seems pretty simple…

Hey, it's an art form. A popular-art form, but an art form. However, it is a SPOKEN WORD art form. And I like popular music to have, you know, SINGING. And MUSIC by people who know how to play MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS. Not doggerel in iambic pentameter by overpaid weenie-wavers glorifying crime and gun violence, and spewing hateful racial and gender epithets.

Sleaford Mods. You are welcome. Look around. Mainstream anything sucks. Look up Sturgeons Law.

The bad shit all sounds the same and there's so much bad shit. It's not racist to hate shit, derivative, unoriginal music.

r294 Rap is exactly like country music now. There is some good stuff (Bonnie Prince Billy) and then the mainstream stuff that is basically some retarded form of hip hop country that is just awful - objectively shit. Some people have no taste, no style, no personality, or panache. So, they listen to music with no style, personality, panache, originality, or substance.

Not all people who hate rap music are racist. All racists hate rap music.

I wish this was even a truism, however I lived in PA in an area where genuine racist skinheads were listening to NWA and Ice-T back in the day. Asked them, it wasn't all blacks, just the ones that didn't make music they liked.

No-one will play or much remember hip hop rap in 100 years from now.

It has no lasting value in prose or melody.

Completely forgotten.

Another very rare instance where the rapping actually adds to, rather than subtract from, a great tune

R285 Doesn't know a single punk rock band.

R295 "All racists hate rap music" This is beyond stupid.

r299 Context my friend. Read the last two sentences of my post. Interestingly, I have found that many racists LOVE rap music. You picked out the inflammatory statements and just jumped on it. You are a reactionary.

Some recent studies have looked at racism as a mental illness. The cognitive dissonance makes racists heads explode. Unable to use basic Hegelian negation or even a basic dialectic to synthesize information, they lash out at "others" to cope with their own thought disorders. Vicious cycle ensues. They are confused because racism is based on a set of false pretenses, so they lash out in a racist manner at the people they believe are causing their confusion.

Hating rap music and being labeled a racist is like hating classical and being accused of ageism against very old dead composers, or against the hegemonic western cultural tradition. Hating Austrians.

Sometimes people just don't like things. From a musical theory perspective, rap is not much different than folk music, and will continue to evolve and will be around in 100 and 1000 years, if Earth still exists. People will at least save examples for posterity, because it will evolve into new forms of music.

DL has some funny people who can write and are pop culture mavens - but the taste in music here runs towards the campy, mainstream dance, classical gay musicals, and Madonna or Adele or shit like that. Exceptions, but surprisingly generically banal taste in music.

I am a white male. I spent 2 years in a juvenile detention center. As a result I can answer even the most obscure questions about mid to late 1980's rap. Mainstream rap is much much worst now. OP is correct.

Even the ugliest of us on here could probably get laid to this song, played at an opportune time.

OP You should not be starting a sentence with So.

[quote]"All racists hate rap music" This is beyond stupid.

The only reason this old thread keeps getting bumped, and the only reason it's gotten 144 WWs so far, is because of racists bumping it and bringing it up repeatedly for trolling purposes.

As the guy already said, there are plenty of people who hate hip hop for legitimate reasons, but when it comes to racists, they hate hip hop because it's black music.

I also hate most rap and hip hop because it all sounds so pretentious. The rhymes are typically awful, and usually about being rich, not caring, going to prison or fucking....but half the time you can't make out the words cause poor enunciation is "cool", and the other half the time they're making up words or expressions just for bragging rights in case the sing catches on.

...and these white suburban guys just turn up the bass in their cars and blare it and I'm like .....????? I'm depressed even hearing that from a distance. Stop pretending you enjoy it because you think it makes you seem macho and tough and will get you laid.

I like melody. It can be bleak in nature or atonal....but a melody is appreciated, as long as the lyrics aren't a list of cliches. I get just as fed up with lame dance music BTW. "Put yer hands up!! Up! Up! Up!" Oh fuck off. Or the predictable "Oh ya baby, sweating to the beat, I want you now, oh baby!" stuff that a braindead 8th grader could write.

Express an original thought or shut up please.

Music these days, popular music, is such trash.

Blacks have that type of voodoo music blasting out of their cars.

Old school rap is much better than current rap, at least the old school rappers wanted to work with other types of musicians and it wasn't just about sampling. For example, Ice-T has a rock band and Run-DMC worked with Aerosmith and other rockers.

Queen Latifah can actually sing, that was a surprise for many.

Bitches come and go, bro, but ya know I stay….

[quote]The only reason this old thread keeps getting bumped, and the only reason it's gotten 144 WWs so far, is because of racists bumping it and bringing it up repeatedly for trolling purposes.

That's not it R302, Rap is not sophisticated music, it has very little musical quality to it. It promotes crudeness, superficial-ness, that being trashy is cool, it objectifies women. Rap has no cultural value, except normalizing a trash culture.

If Rap was white music, everybody would say it's deplorable music. Why do you think Trump could recruits several high profile rappers to endorse him??

So not liking rap makes one a racist? But everyone and their momma always shitting on country music and no one ever call them anti white

r332 you know that would never fly, though realistically, we could call it racist too. . . especially given the embrace within trad. country, bluegrass and folk music of African instruments and sounds.

r333

r332 and homophobic

r332 Gangstagrass

It’s repulsive. Ugly music , ugly , Misogynistic , racist ( against everyone except blacks ) and paranoia inducing lyrics . Horrid crap

You don’t have to listen to it.

And extremely homophobic ☝🏼☝🏼

I don’t like most of it but I love Megan Thee Stallion

Then don't fucking listen to it. Jesus.

Why was this line out. That’s the OP’s opinion.

R19 And now Joe Sixpacks listen to hip-hop and country artists doing rap cadences on rhythmic country type instrumentation. I loves it.

Hip hop Culture glorifies guns

R351 are you posting from 1998 but todays hip hop glorifies poppin bottles and trickin’.

As has been said, it's been around for 40 years. It's burned out and it's time for something new.

R91 Right all the kids and teenagers who grew up with Justin Bieber and Drake will all end up appreciating and listening to Phish and Melissa Manchester as they get older.

r354 He's talking about Beatles, Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Sex Pistols, Donna Summer. No one will know Bieber or Drake in 20 years. Yeah, there will be some current artists who are remembered. But it will not be on the same scale as the 60's and 70's.

It's a popular-art form. But it's a SPOKEN WORD popular art form. SO SICK of bad iambic pentameter displacing music and being categorized as music.

It is very depressing how “black music” has gone from the absolute pinnacle of music innovation (blues and jazz) to crud. There can be very interesting and innovative hip hop, but 99% of it is trash, and no rapper will ever even sniff what was done by a BB King or a Miles Davis.

I’m also wondering why rock and roll seemed to just evaporate after the 90s. It seems like grunge was the last gasp of rock cultural domination. It dominated for almost half a century and just poof, gone after 9/11 as a major cultural force. They’ve put Madonna and ABBA into a so called rock hall of fame (which they really should change to “music” hall of fame by this point, if you have the likes of Madonna and ABBA in there, but the likes Harry Nilsson not ever nominated, I digress.). I know DL has a small contingent of rock fans, but many of the eldergays were alive for the peak of rock’s cultural cachet - 50s-70s.

I'm listening to be-bop right now

[quote]Then don't fucking listen to it. Jesus.

It's kind of hard to avoid it when it's the music of choice (natch) for douchebags who blast their music in their cars as they drive slowly with their windows open through your neighborhood.

R359, it's also the choice of music in most commercials these days. The days of the jingle are dead.

Exactly, R359. You're trapped in traffic at a long light and blasting from some male (it's always a male) idiot's vehicle with all windows open, is the sound of a grotesquely overpaid male (it's almost always a male) bellowing obscenities, gender and racial slurs, boasts about gun violence and drug crime, and all-around weenie-waving . . . at 600 decibels with pounding so-called "beats." So. Sick. Of. This.

[quote] You're trapped in traffic at a long light and blasting from some male (it's always a male) idiot's vehicle with all windows open, is the sound of a grotesquely overpaid male (it's almost always a male) bellowing obscenities,

r361 Hahaha. Off topic. But I love how you noted yet another obvious difference between the genders. Females never do that. And that's why I love guys as annoying as they can be.

R361 Why don’t you beat em’.