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Alanis Morissette Says Multiple Men Had Sex With Her When She Was Just 15

“I’m going to need some help because I never talk about this,” she begins, before plunging into the topic.

“It took me years in therapy to even admit there had been any kind of victimization on my part,” she says. “I would always say I was consenting, and then I’d be reminded like ‘Hey, you were 15, you’re not consenting at 15.’ Now I’m like, ‘Oh yeah, they’re all pedophiles. It’s all statutory rape.’”

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by Anonymousreply 181September 21, 2021 5:05 AM

'SO DID i"?? types Phillywhore. No one cares Alanis about your "stretched-out cummy dirty parts", you FISH

by Anonymousreply 1September 14, 2021 3:54 PM

I knew more than a few girls who were sexually active at age 15. And a couple of them were very happy to sleep with older men, who were less immature, had cars, money, etc.

The idea that these girls were victims makes me laugh, it really does. Victim culture reminds me a lot of the whole “born again” con.

by Anonymousreply 2September 14, 2021 3:58 PM

Sure, Jan.

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by Anonymousreply 3September 14, 2021 3:58 PM

[quote]The idea that these girls were victims makes me laugh, it really does.

You are an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 4September 14, 2021 4:05 PM

I’m tired of people having accusations without naming people. How are you truly helping other victims if you allow your abuser to unpunished. Said abuser could be out there doing it to someone today. It’s an attention ploy unless you give names

by Anonymousreply 5September 14, 2021 4:06 PM

Alanis is an "attention-whore" who needs a career boost. Now ahe going the "Madonna, gagda, McGowan raped out hag route" No one cares....BTW, ur dirty pussy still stinks like men& cum.

by Anonymousreply 6September 14, 2021 4:15 PM

Hands Clean

by Anonymousreply 7September 14, 2021 4:19 PM

If that’s all you’ve got, R4, we’ll consider that a concession.

by Anonymousreply 8September 14, 2021 4:19 PM

Bootsy gumdrop is one of the most vile trolls here, why hasn't it been redtagged and banned yet?

by Anonymousreply 9September 14, 2021 4:21 PM


by Anonymousreply 10September 14, 2021 4:21 PM

F&F pedophile apologist R2.

by Anonymousreply 11September 14, 2021 4:21 PM

But, was Dave Coulier one of them? Did he "OUGHTA KNOW?"

by Anonymousreply 12September 14, 2021 4:22 PM

Ugly Anscher or DeFatTurd, r9/r11?

Come on, take the anon mask off.

by Anonymousreply 13September 14, 2021 4:23 PM

R4 No. You're just oblique. R2 is seeing clearly.

by Anonymousreply 14September 14, 2021 4:27 PM

[quote]Alanis is an "attention-whore" who needs a career boost.

Then why is she not even going to the premiere of a documentary about her?

by Anonymousreply 15September 14, 2021 4:30 PM

[quote]we’ll consider that a concession.

That you think you "consider" anything is adorable.

by Anonymousreply 16September 14, 2021 4:31 PM

R9 why? I only see speaking truth. R8 Bravo!

by Anonymousreply 17September 14, 2021 4:31 PM

Lucky bitch!

by Anonymousreply 18September 14, 2021 4:32 PM
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by Anonymousreply 19September 14, 2021 4:33 PM

Alanis has really packed on the pounds.

by Anonymousreply 20September 14, 2021 4:33 PM

It depends on the individual: i’ve known people who could handle it at 15 and people who couldn’t handle it at 35.

by Anonymousreply 21September 14, 2021 4:38 PM

I’m glad that all the above posters have had friends who had no problems in the decades and decades since they were 15. It’s a tale one always hears from the ‘friends’ of people when these stories are told, especially from people in their fifties and above.

I, on the other hand, had a sexual relationship with a 35 year-old married minister starting when I was 14 which effected me is ways I wasn’t even aware of until I was 35 myself.

It has made me distrustful of people I love, ruined my relationship with my remaining family, and was the root cause of several years of such heavy substance abuse I ended up homeless. After ten years and somewhere around $100,000 in out-of-pocket psychiatry bills, I am aware of the ways it has changed me for the worse.

I’m happy for all of you who took part in, or were aware of, so many cases of statutory rape that had happy endings but there are others of us who decidedly did not share that experience.

To the argument that it’s all moot if you don’t name names, naming the man that preyed on me would not only ruin my life but, by proxy, the life of a few other people I know. I’m the end, I can no longer expect criminal charges to be filed nor really have any proof of it ever got that far. Excuse me for thinking the onus should first fall on institutions and law enforcement to find criminals, not victims.

And Bootsy-Gumdrop, I also think you’re an idiot, which your posting history bears out. Are you also going to accuse me of being Defacto or Matt as well because I don’t agree with you?

by Anonymousreply 22September 14, 2021 4:39 PM

I wonder now if she wrote 'Hands Clean' from the perspective of these men? (otherwise she's a big hypocrite)

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by Anonymousreply 23September 14, 2021 4:44 PM

Someone is in desperate need of attention.

by Anonymousreply 24September 14, 2021 4:44 PM

[quote] F&F pedophile apologist

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 25September 14, 2021 4:45 PM

People still get married at 15. Give me a break.

by Anonymousreply 26September 14, 2021 4:45 PM

R26, only girls. I challenge you to cite one case in the last decade of a 15 year-old boy being married in the US. I’ll wait.

Child marriage in the US only happens when an older man gets a young teen woman pregnant. It is legal dubious to begin with as a contract which one party can’t isn’t able to break is not legal. You can’t sue for divorce until you are 18.

by Anonymousreply 27September 14, 2021 4:51 PM

Of course it was, r23, she told about it at the time even if the lyrics were quite explicit. No one much cared.

by Anonymousreply 28September 14, 2021 4:54 PM

By riding a subway naked, wasn't she clearly asking for it?

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by Anonymousreply 29September 14, 2021 4:58 PM

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by Anonymousreply 30September 14, 2021 5:08 PM

r28 Ah fair enough, I didn't know (I was a just a kid back then)

by Anonymousreply 31September 14, 2021 5:08 PM

The article at r30 points out that 87% of children who marry are under the age of 18, so that means 13% of boys are affected as well. The article tells of an 11 year old boy who got married.

Another interesting statistic: those who marry under the age of 18 have higher rates of poverty and divorce later in life compared to those who marry after the age of 18.

by Anonymousreply 32September 14, 2021 5:10 PM

^ sorry, are girls under the age of 18

by Anonymousreply 33September 14, 2021 5:10 PM

I worked with a gay guy once and over heard him telling someone else that he was frequenting gay bars looking before he was ever legal to do so. He said his most heard pick up line was "Can I buy you a glass of MILK!" Haha

by Anonymousreply 34September 14, 2021 5:12 PM

^^^looooong before he was ever legal to do so

by Anonymousreply 35September 14, 2021 5:13 PM

Nobody wants me when im 15.

by Anonymousreply 36September 14, 2021 5:20 PM

None of those figures that I could see say that any of those boys who were married under the age of 18 married an adult, which is the topic being discussed in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 37September 14, 2021 5:21 PM

I also went to high school with girls who dated older guys. These were fast LA girls though who saw boys their own age as pimply and immature, and this was in the '90s, so it was a different time, I guess. Not condoning it, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of posters knew [italic]that[/italic] girl (or guy) in HS.

by Anonymousreply 38September 14, 2021 5:23 PM

Once again in English, r16?

by Anonymousreply 39September 14, 2021 5:23 PM

I grew up in an affluent NYC suburbs and most kids were having sex by 15 or 16. In middle school two 13 year olds were caught fucking by the girl’s mom and she was sent to Catholic school. A 15 year old sophomore with a senior boyfriend got knocked up and they got married (still married!) By junior or senior year many of the girls had older boyfriends who were out of school. My own sister had a crush on a 20-something year old guy when she was 15 and totally threw herself at him with every intention of banging him. The 80s weren’t nearly as repressed as today. It was accepted that kids were going to fuck.

by Anonymousreply 40September 14, 2021 5:24 PM

A whore wants to play the victim game. NOBODY CARES

by Anonymousreply 41September 14, 2021 5:28 PM

R29, isn't it ironic?

Don'tcha think?

by Anonymousreply 42September 14, 2021 5:39 PM

[quote] Alanis Morissette had sex with multiple men when she was Just 15

She's not a slut. She is The Slut!

by Anonymousreply 43September 14, 2021 5:47 PM

R40, that was my experience, too. I was fucking when I was 15. I wanted to do it, and my partners were other kids my age. It was kind of thrilling and it didn’t traumatize me, although I did have some negative experiences. It’s part of life, and I wanted to experience life. Not every sexual encounter is a deep and loving soul-mingle.

I don’t know what Alanis’s experiences were, but she’s entitled to her opinion. It’s not correct to assume that every 15-year old girl is incapable of wanting and consenting to sex with a person her own age. (Older people should keep their distance, IMO.)

by Anonymousreply 44September 14, 2021 5:50 PM

what else can you expect from a lost continent.

by Anonymousreply 45September 14, 2021 6:46 PM

Alanis rips the documentary and its director.

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by Anonymousreply 46September 14, 2021 7:04 PM

Some 15 year old girls are not ready, still virginal, sheltered. Some are ready to goooo.

I think it is the power/age difference that can be destructive for the teen girl or boy, if they are hooking up with a 30 something or older guy.

by Anonymousreply 47September 14, 2021 7:08 PM

Loved some of her tunes from Jagged at the time. Recently listened again. Was surprised how Not so good much of it was. It seemed so awesomely radical at the time. Also, she too is for me an artist who needed videos. The music didn't work so well just on its own. Many of that time are the same.

Shocked at how big she is. She shared about her food issues early in her fame & was supportive to groups for people with eating disorders. Seems like she collapsed into her ED. Maybe being, active, in the food,again may be fueling her & not in a good way. For some afflicted with actual psychiatric ED(not just occasional overeating) it is mind, mood, behavior altering.

by Anonymousreply 48September 14, 2021 7:13 PM

Alanis was a teenager in the entertainment industry. I'm sure she was preyed upon heavily by creepy older man--it's endemic in that field.

by Anonymousreply 49September 14, 2021 7:13 PM

As a 41 year old college professor, I could not imagine sleeping with ANY of my students. They're barely above being kids in their mentalities, and nowhere near mature enough to consider dating.

I always side-eye those with very age-discordant relationships, especially if the younger partner is under 21/22. The older partner needs a psychiatrist more than they do a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 50September 14, 2021 7:16 PM

Who were these older guys? College boys? Hot local musicians? Teachers at her high school, or her friends' fathers? Entertainment company executives who told her she'd never have a career in music if she didn't fuck her way up?

Betcha it was the last. Quid pro quo sexual harrassment is rampant in the music industry, and worse.

by Anonymousreply 51September 14, 2021 9:03 PM

She just wants media attention

by Anonymousreply 52September 14, 2021 9:14 PM

[R20], you're right - she has packed on the pounds. Do you know why? In the late 1990s she toured like a motherfucker. Her concerts were presentations in tearing your heart and soul out for two and half hours a night. Try eating or sleeping after that. Whether she used drugs to get her through these exhausting tours is anybody's guess. After awhile, she decided she didn't want to end up like Stevie Nicks and Janis Joplin. She said fuck this, she found a husband, she had children.

She's height weight proportionate now. And your comment just feeds into the 'women need to be thin to be attractive to the bruhs in the frat.' OP, I have some news for you from Alanis. She'd like me to tell you, "WHY DON'T YOU GROW THE FUCK UP AND START HAVING IDEAS FOR YOURSELF INSTEAD OF PUTTING *ME* DOWN! I MADE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, DONATING A GOOD SHARE OF IT TO CHARITY. AND ALL YOU CAN SAY IS I PACKED ON POUNDS? I PITY YOU AND YOUR NARROW MINDED LIFE. Do the world a favour. Don't get married. And for fuck's sake DON'T REPRODUCE!"

by Anonymousreply 53September 14, 2021 9:31 PM

Not sure why I’m shocked by the responses but I’m shocked by the responses. You people really are horrid. She was 15.

by Anonymousreply 54September 14, 2021 9:45 PM

Like her look here. She looks normal and healthy for her age. Give her a break! Many people gain weight and look different as they grow older. But that "Isn't it Ironic" song was a beautiful clusterfunk. Love the song but it's ironic that most of the lyrics have absolutely nothing to do with irony. Just bad luck.

by Anonymousreply 55September 14, 2021 10:00 PM

Don't question someone's emotional reality. If she says that she feels weird about what happened then that's how it is. It's really obnoxious when something like this happens and a bunch of people say "NO, shut up. She's not allowed to feel this way".

by Anonymousreply 56September 14, 2021 10:17 PM

[quote] It has made me distrustful of people I love, ruined my relationship with my remaining family, and was the root cause of several years of such heavy substance abuse I ended up homeless.

You don’t *really* know why you have trust and got on drugs. It’s nice to have somewhere to place your blame though, isn’t it. Life is complex. Our brains are complex. Just do the best you can and don’t try to look for an explanation or a justification.

by Anonymousreply 57September 14, 2021 10:25 PM

Well, that turn out to be a Jagged Little Documentary.

by Anonymousreply 58September 14, 2021 10:27 PM

She had her time, her success. Accept life moves on. So does fame & being big.

by Anonymousreply 59September 14, 2021 10:28 PM

A straight male interested in a mature bodied 15 year old acting and looking way older than her age is not a pedophile. Can we please stop distorting this.

if these were grown ass male studio executives in their 30s or 40w or even in their 20s then it was both illegal (I assume the age of consent was higher) and totally inappropriate.

if it was an 18, 19 or 20 year old roadie or fellow musician then I don't have a problem with that. Girls mature way earlier than boys and that means in many instances they know what they want. Can they handle it? I don't know depends on the person but I know 30 year old women who aren't mature enough to handle a relationship.

Hey if Britney can handle a relationship then a sane 15 year old is probably a better if poorer bet.

by Anonymousreply 60September 14, 2021 10:31 PM

Great way to justify statutory rape r60. Thanks for sharing.

by Anonymousreply 61September 14, 2021 10:35 PM

[quote] I, on the other hand, had a sexual relationship with a 35 year-old married minister starting when I was 14 which effected me is ways I wasn’t even aware of until I was 35 myself.

You are making the assumption that it was the fact that you were 15 and had a sexual relationship and that is what caused all the issues you list.

How about the fact he was a minister or married or 20 years older?

Why do you presume that it was your age rather than some other psychological reason you already had?

I suspect that there was an underlying psychiatric/psychological issue that resulted in the litany of very sad experiences you had. Not simply that you at 15 had sex.

I hope you are successfully dealing with your issue.

by Anonymousreply 62September 14, 2021 10:39 PM

Yeah, the life of a superstar singer is not for everyone. Performing as much as she did? All that non stop touring, television, movies, AND motherhood?!! Alanis, I don't know how you did it!

by Anonymousreply 63September 14, 2021 10:42 PM

I'm guessing that the men Alanis had sex with were not teenagers, either. I listened to her music a lot when it came out. She was open about her eating disorder.

I think that, at this point, people should probably start naming names.

by Anonymousreply 64September 14, 2021 10:45 PM

It is obvious from her previous and current comments this were not high school kids fucking when he is a couple of years older, but much older men from the music industry. Read the lyrics from Hands Clean. Which, inthe same album, is followed by a music called Flinch.

If there is someone who should not cause surprise on the subject is her who, unlike others, raised and told the issue 15 years ago when it was not the thing to do it.

by Anonymousreply 65September 14, 2021 10:46 PM

Whatever happened, she turned lemons in to lemonade. Without those experiences the songs of Jagged Little Pill would never have been that angry and that vibrant and connected to so many people. At least she took her pain and grief and made something out of it, and as the saying goes success is the best revenge.

by Anonymousreply 66September 14, 2021 10:48 PM

R60, I have to tell you that when people open their arguments with semantic points, it’s generally because they have a weak argument. Since you are such a fan of precise definitions then I would ask you to define inappropriate. I always thought it pertained to situations like wearing shorts to court, not a 40-year-old having sex with a 15-year-old.

R62, are you being purposefully obtuse? Of course I’m not arguing that simply being 14 is what caused my trauma. No where do I say, nor has anyone else on this thread including AM said, that 15-year-olds are harmed by having sex with people their own age. It sounds like if I had not mentioned that my abuser was married and a minister then you wouldn’t have any problems with it.

To all who question how I know that my subsequent mental health problems were caused by this experience, I’ll refer you to the mental health professionals that have treated me. The consensus is that this relationship started a cascade of connected events and decisions and it is borne out by the fact that I did not have to attend rehab to stop abusing drugs and don’t have to take any psychoactive medication to get through life.

by Anonymousreply 67September 14, 2021 11:03 PM

"You Oughta Know" is supposed to be about a much older man. I have to say that the lyrics don't reflect anger about an age difference (i.e., don't reflect being taken advantage of by a much-older person). Yes, the anger is clearly expressed, but it's not apparent there was an age difference.

Would be interesting to hear Alanis talk about the song, they lyrics, etc.

by Anonymousreply 68September 14, 2021 11:10 PM

^Isn't "You Oughta Know" about Dave Coulier?

by Anonymousreply 69September 14, 2021 11:13 PM

She should blame her parents as well.

by Anonymousreply 70September 14, 2021 11:25 PM

R67 I'm sorry you went through that tony and appreciate you sharing that, knowing the risk of shitty responses. Know there are people here that aren't that way and do understand because they've went through similar experiences.

R60 ah yes, the old "girls mature sooner" deflection, that's been used to justify adult men fucking little girls since the dawn of time. I love the extra hypocrisy at the end though, where you say there's 30 yr old women that aren't mature enough to handle sex.

There's nothing to indicate female brains mature faster. All teens lack development of the part of the brain responsible for making choices. Nor does it matter if a teen "wants it". It's not on them to decide, it's on the damn adult to know better and not be a selfish pig. No adult men are being held at gun point, being told they have to fuck a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 71September 14, 2021 11:32 PM

R62 just stop. There's plently off research to look at that goes into why that would be damaging. It's a person of authority abusing the relationship and power dynamics. It's also their experience so I'd think they'd have more insight into why they struggled than you, a random person on the internet. So many users go on and on about how shitty people are to each other but don't look in the mirror.

by Anonymousreply 72September 14, 2021 11:36 PM

r59 this has zero to do with her fame. She's a multimillionaire with more money than you. I doubt she sits around weeping that it's no longer 1996. Someone check r60s browser history.

by Anonymousreply 73September 14, 2021 11:38 PM

What’s worse, an 18 year old high school student willingly fucking a 30-something year old teacher or 30-something year old who picks up a young lovely in a bar, completely down to fuck, but turned out to be a 15 year old who used fake ID to get into the bar?

by Anonymousreply 74September 14, 2021 11:39 PM

R68, the man in the song was Dave Coulier (from Full House).

by Anonymousreply 75September 14, 2021 11:40 PM

Thanks, R75. Coulier is now 61, Morissette is now 47. So, that's a 14-year age difference. Would be interesting to find out how she would characterize the relationship, now.

by Anonymousreply 76September 14, 2021 11:46 PM

Did she have to pay the men?

by Anonymousreply 77September 14, 2021 11:49 PM

She has always denied it was Coulier. He's the one who claims it is..what a douche.

by Anonymousreply 78September 15, 2021 1:54 AM

[quote] if I had not mentioned that my abuser was married and a minister then you wouldn’t have any problems with it.

Of course that makes a difference. How can you not see that?

If it had been the minister's 18 year old son there wouldn't be a problem unless you were too emotional immature or psychologically damaged to handle it. Even then it wouldn't - on its own - create psychiatric issues.

by Anonymousreply 79September 15, 2021 2:08 AM

I just came back from the TIFF premiere of Jagged, the documentary about the phenomenon of the album Jagged Little Pill.

It's a fucking brilliant documentary and I'm really sad that Alanis is not supporting it. She should because she comes across as incredibly intelligent, witty, likable, and insightful.

I have a feeling Alanis is more worried about legal repercussions than anything, although she doesn't name names. And she probably doesn't like the fact that she didn't have final cut.

But I think the director did an excellent job.

by Anonymousreply 80September 15, 2021 2:10 AM

Any other Alanis fans here?

I think JLP, while definitely good, is actually her least really good album.

Maybe I just have JLP fatigue but I love her newer work and still think SFIJ is probably her best overall effort.

by Anonymousreply 81September 15, 2021 3:11 AM

She was a just a typical teenage slut that enjoyed using men for their money and power. Very common in the 1980's in Canada when the age of consent was only 14. As a closeted gayling the same age as her at the same time period in the same city, I can confirm teenage girls then and there were EXTREMELY promiscuous and bragged about it. As an adult woman, now she blames the men who made her wealthy and famous for her own calculated choices. Another example why I dislike feminists and feel sorry for straight men having to deal with women.

by Anonymousreply 82September 15, 2021 3:16 AM

R81, Alanis Morissette fan here.

"That I Would Be Good" is one of my faves. "You Oughta Know," of course.

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by Anonymousreply 83September 15, 2021 3:46 AM

Another favorite song by Alanis: Joining You, esp. this live Unplugged version.

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by Anonymousreply 84September 15, 2021 3:47 AM

Women really want to be coddled badly. This infantilism has to stop already. Take some responsibility, stop being a professional victim. Jesus Christ.

by Anonymousreply 85September 15, 2021 5:15 AM

[quote] I have a feeling Alanis is more worried about legal repercussions than anything, although she doesn't name names. And she probably doesn't like the fact that she didn't have final cut.

What exactly is in it that’s damaging to her? Why does she care?

by Anonymousreply 86September 15, 2021 5:17 AM

[quote]if it was an 18, 19 or 20 year old roadie or fellow musician then I don't have a problem with that.

Well, thank GOD, you're okay with it, R60. Whew! Now teenage girls everywhere can breathe a sigh of relief.

by Anonymousreply 87September 15, 2021 5:50 AM

R67, if your mental health professionals have cost you 100,000 dollars you can assume they do n’t have your best interests at heart. They are causing you more damage than the minister.

by Anonymousreply 88September 15, 2021 6:35 AM

Who is that who attacked in Alanis’ name? Are you just a fan hunny? You don’t know this queen, don’t lie.

by Anonymousreply 89September 15, 2021 6:51 AM

I’m appalled by some - no, many - of the comments here. Tony Woodward in his comments speaks not just of his own experience, but for many others.

by Anonymousreply 90September 15, 2021 7:25 AM

I KNEW she was a whore back then!

by Anonymousreply 91September 15, 2021 7:29 AM

At my junior high, two girls aged 14 were dating two guys aged 28. The guys would come after school and pick them up. When the guys arrived, the girls would make a lot noise so their classmates could see how cool they were to be dating older men.

Both girls were very developed, party girls, from broken homes, we’re well-liked and knew what they were doing. I said to one of them that I wished I could be like her (I was shy and “proper”) and she replied with ‘you don’t want to be like me.’ They both turned out fine in the long run.

I had sex at 15 after being pressured by my boyfriend repeatedly. I absolutely was not emotionally ready for it and it was a horrible experience that still haunts me when I think about it, him, and what he did to me. I didn’t have sex again until I was 18. I was ready and willing at that point.

by Anonymousreply 92September 15, 2021 7:57 AM

But she’s perverted and went down on him in a theatre. Admittedly.

by Anonymousreply 93September 15, 2021 8:29 AM

There seems to be two schools of thought now running at the same time. Women are constantly told to be sex positive, open to porn, bisexuality, no commitment sex, "fucking like a man" and to be quick and casual about any physical relationships. Almost all TV roles are like this. TV women fall into bed at the drop of a hat and it's only prudes and religious maniacs that maybe want to wait even just a little while. Then on the other hand, there is this almost Victorian perspective that practically all men are out to harm and rape women and to be wary of ANY male attention because THEY ONLY WANT ONE THING!!!

Not sure what this has to do with Alanis but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

by Anonymousreply 94September 15, 2021 8:37 AM

I'm sad that Alanis is horrified at the new documentary and doesn't want to support it - I love her and was looking forward to seeing it, but after seeing her comments I'll avoid it. I have huge respect for her as an artist and as a person.

by Anonymousreply 95September 15, 2021 9:57 AM

Tune I loved the most Thank U. Very inspiring, including the video. A journey of evolution to being able to connect to the light of love. This latest Media drop on her 32 year old sexual Herstory ala #MeToo(she's 47now, 15 then)seems like she has moved backwards from the tenor & beauty of Thank U.

Hope she can find peace & healing & reach for the light again

by Anonymousreply 96September 15, 2021 12:41 PM

R88, you have absolutely no idea about the quality or intentions of the medical professionals I’ve dealt with. While it might be acceptable for you to visit a non-licensed counselor to save money, I didn’t think the sole fact that someone could afford to rent an office and have business cards printed enough reason to trust my mental health to them.

by Anonymousreply 97September 15, 2021 12:47 PM

R23 I thought Hands Clean was supposed to be about Glen Ballard. She apparently met him after she graduated high school, so she was of age, though he was nearly 20 years older.

by Anonymousreply 98September 15, 2021 12:50 PM

Man does she look old, she's just missing the short pixie cut hairstyle and she's full blown soccer mom.

by Anonymousreply 99September 15, 2021 12:55 PM

R97, get a second opinion-£100,000 for therapy is obscene, I’m genuinely concerned for you

by Anonymousreply 100September 15, 2021 12:59 PM

Sad she still hasn't figured out that lots & lots of men, especially those who troll the waters for young youngen's are absolute dogs. Didn't anyone clue her in on this. Learned this shit on my mother's knee. Whenever an older dude is pursuing youngens' he's a creep. Nothing shocking, nothing new. Ah, for the good old days when Daddy or big brother met perspective beaus of girls with a shot gun casually under their arm. When communities were tight & your old girl neighbor would hit that old creep w. her umbrella if he even dared to talk to you. Then she'd drag you for a coffee & tell you how life rolled.

by Anonymousreply 101September 15, 2021 1:00 PM

I wonder if she is looking back on her adolescence and teen sexuality from a mother’s lens now that she has children. It’s a parent”s responsibility to know where their 15 year old is and to ensure they have adult supervision against “predators.” I wonder if she blames her parents for not “protecting” her from the predatory environment she grew up in.

by Anonymousreply 102September 15, 2021 1:28 PM

Even a 17 year old today is considered a child (even though it's the age of consent in most states) and men who have sex with 17 year old are called pedophiles (Prince Andrew.)

We're in a weird world where women can be extremely sexual but men have to be very careful about being sexually aggressive in any way. Even commenting on a woman's appearance can cost a man his job but women in NYC now wear bikini bras as tops in the street and that's perfectly fine.

by Anonymousreply 103September 15, 2021 1:33 PM

She is right, no men past their early twenties should ever fee attracted to teenagers, it IS a crime, however that doesn't mean she didn't want it,she has to own her mistake, tough her mistake would NEVER justify their pedophilia. Gross men!

by Anonymousreply 104September 15, 2021 1:37 PM

When I read the article I was expecting her to be a hypocrite like so many on here implied, but she said herself that it took her a while to even accept that at 15, she wasn't really old enough to consent.

I don't have any issues in my past with consenting at too early of an age, but as an adult I look back on a whole lot of situations at home and in school where adults were not behaving appropriately and kids were being expected to deal with things they shouldn't have been, like assigning a kid in grade school to "monitor" another kid with a behavioral disorder, or kids who had to manage their parents' behavior or addictions, things like that. For the things I was personally involved with I was well into my 30s before I realized how abusive some of it was, so I can understand where she's coming from.

It's kind of difficult for me to understand someone who is an adult looking back on a 15yo girl they went to school with who was sleeping with men approaching 30 and thinking "she knew what she was doing, it was consensual, this is all b.s."

by Anonymousreply 105September 15, 2021 1:45 PM

[quote]“I would always say I was consenting, and then I’d be reminded like ‘Hey, you were 15, you’re not consenting at 15.’

Translation she consented and now has second thoughts. She feels bad she was a whore at 15 and now is playing the victim card instead of taking responsibility for her poor choices.

Age is arbitrary if they set the legal age at 15 she would legally be consenting and would she have the same game plan? No, no way out would be offered.

Until she owns up and accepts responsibility for whatever she did, she will be a miserable person, who hasn't had a hit since 1995.

by Anonymousreply 106September 15, 2021 1:45 PM

R100, I didn’t spend £100,000 on therapy, I spent £72,000.

Since you seem to be from the UK and thus have no real idea of the costs of healthcare in the United States, widely known as the most expensive place in the world for health care covered by insurance or not, I’m genuinely concerned that you sound like a fool.

by Anonymousreply 107September 15, 2021 3:20 PM

Usually psychiatrist’s rates in NYC can be between $300-$500 a session with no insurance accepted.

by Anonymousreply 108September 15, 2021 3:28 PM

Does anyone even wonder why the Full House guy is involved in this? Was he considered hot? I always thought he was creepy.

by Anonymousreply 109September 15, 2021 4:43 PM

Ugh. I hate this babying of women. She's allowed to regret these encounters, or be upset about them, but call them rape? Come on......

by Anonymousreply 110September 15, 2021 4:45 PM

[italic]The Daily Beast[/italic] has posted an article about this from the perspective of celebrities wanting final approval of how they're portrayed in third-party documentaries. Alanis, gurl, unless you're making your own documentary, that's not how it works.

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by Anonymousreply 111September 15, 2021 4:55 PM

R26 = classic pedophile defense.

Not even sure where you're seeing 15 year olds marrying without raising eyebrows. As others noted, these marriages always feature child brides but never child grooms. Only a handful of cultures still allow this and they're never very developed cultures. Like, we're looking to the Taliban and Romani cultures now for justifying sex with minors? Oh okay.

Some real sick fucks post here. Like how the fuck can you claim child marriage is normal??? Da fuq???

by Anonymousreply 112September 15, 2021 5:08 PM

R110 a fifteen year old is not a woman you fucking freakshow.

by Anonymousreply 113September 15, 2021 5:09 PM

How many 15 year old boys are married off to 30-year-old women?

by Anonymousreply 114September 15, 2021 5:52 PM

Ewwww like R Kelly? I kinda suspect gross Dave Cloutier since You Oughta Know is about him.

by Anonymousreply 115September 15, 2021 5:58 PM

[quote] A straight male interested in a mature bodied 15 year old acting and looking way older than her age is not a pedophile. Can we please stop distorting this.

That’s my only problem with her story. Yes, guys who want to fuck 15-year-olds (girls or boys) are pathetic and depending on local laws, committing statutory rape. But that is not PEDOPHILIA unless the 15-year-old somehow still had the body of an 8-year-old or something.

by Anonymousreply 116September 15, 2021 6:31 PM

“No one knows except the both of us…”

by Anonymousreply 117September 15, 2021 6:32 PM

“Hands Clean” is one of the few songs of hers that I think is actually pretty okay for what it is. The chorus melody is good, the chorus lyrics are good. But generally she’s a very awkward songwriter and singer, and not much of a musician.

“You’ve got me seriously thinkin’ about spirituality…”

by Anonymousreply 118September 15, 2021 6:36 PM

She had her moment, most don't Be grateful for it. Stop jumping on the latest bandwagon to try & rekindle an old flame.

by Anonymousreply 119September 15, 2021 7:31 PM

Everybody gets raped but me

by Anonymousreply 120September 15, 2021 7:35 PM

They aren't pedophiles but those men are creeps. Glad to see men finally getting called out for this behavior.

by Anonymousreply 121September 15, 2021 7:54 PM

Adults should know better than to outside 15 year olds. If nobody was hurt good but it’s still creepy and not something that should happen.

by Anonymousreply 122September 15, 2021 8:21 PM

A bold stance, R122

by Anonymousreply 123September 15, 2021 11:05 PM

When did she become fat?

by Anonymousreply 124September 15, 2021 11:10 PM

She's not fat. She just looks like a middle aged woman with some flesh on her. Flesh and issues.

by Anonymousreply 125September 15, 2021 11:16 PM

R124, she's been eating a lot of Indian food.

by Anonymousreply 126September 15, 2021 11:21 PM

R116, again, when you have to get into semantic arguments about an adult having sex with a MINOR and split hairs between a child with pubic hair or a child without pubic hair… sugar, you’ve already lost the argument.

by Anonymousreply 127September 15, 2021 11:48 PM

“lost the argument”, Tony? I don’t know what you think I was arguing for or against, except that words have meanings. Pedophilia by definition is sexual attraction to children who have not reached puberty. It’s as simple as that. I’m not pro-pedophilia or pro-statutory rape. I’m pro-literacy.

by Anonymousreply 128September 15, 2021 11:53 PM

Jesus H. Fucking Christ! suddenly everyones an etymology professor.

It's called ephebophilia. Its only a semantic difference, its just as fucked up as pedophillia, just as illegal and It's the same type of paraphilia.

Do you think using the "Well Actually" argument around the terminology of fucking kids makes you look clever? If anyone is fucking a kid of 15 they have more problems than which category of pervert they fall into.

Fuck the lot of you.

by Anonymousreply 129September 16, 2021 12:56 AM

Lying little tramp...she hopped on them as quick as instant pudding cuz she loved the ride, and now claims rape ???? I think not

by Anonymousreply 130September 16, 2021 1:01 AM

R128, okay. I give up. I’m wrong.

I admit you weren’t arguing. You were simply insisting on accuracy. Understood.

I will counsel you on one point. Don’t insist on this particular semantic accuracy in the real world, where people know your name, and live in community with you. They will think you are a creep, won’t invite you to parties, and won’t include you in neighborhood emails. Neither will they allow their children to trick-or-treat and solicit you for school fund-raising drives.

Come to think of it, everyone in your neighborhood thinking you are a PEDO... I mean, EPHEBOPHILE might be advantageous.

by Anonymousreply 131September 16, 2021 2:35 AM

Fuck off, Tony. I don’t give a fuck what you or anyone thinks. 20 years ago everyone knew what a pedophile was and wasn’t, and no one ever referred to statutory rape as “pedophilia”. Fuck’s sake, my grandmother got pregnant when she was 16 and my grandfather was 18–was my grandfather a “pedophile” or even an ephebophile?

The rest of your reply is so retarded I won’t even respond to it.

by Anonymousreply 132September 16, 2021 3:16 AM

Blocking you and R129 now, so don’t bother responding to me directly, I’ll never see you again. If you can’t handle hearing the correct definitions of words without twisting yourself into a moral panic, you should stay off the Internet and the real world, too.

by Anonymousreply 133September 16, 2021 3:20 AM

Was a teen when jagged little pill blew up. Still don’t get her popularity, I truly cannot stand the sound of her voice and her mannerisms when she performs make me cringe.

by Anonymousreply 134September 16, 2021 3:56 AM

Makes you wonder if that’s why she sounded so angry.

by Anonymousreply 135September 16, 2021 4:04 AM

R133, literally NO ONE is talking about your 16-year-old grandmother copulating with an 18-year-old. Not AM, not me, nor anyone in this thread has said a single ticking word about similarly aged-persons having consensual sex.

This is IN NO WAY WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. I don’t care if your grandmother boned by every single SIMILARLY AGED dick in whatever country crossroads or pig path she hails from.

This whole conversation is about significantly older people fucking much, much younger people.

Leave your whore grandmother out of all of this. It make you seem less of a piece of trash.

by Anonymousreply 136September 16, 2021 5:24 AM

This thread is the reason I drink!

by Anonymousreply 137September 16, 2021 6:07 AM

Drinking while reading the comments does help alot Right now its very good Polish Vodka iwith lemon-lime It's my "delta covid vaccine medicine".

by Anonymousreply 138September 16, 2021 6:24 AM

When I see Billie Eilish I always think that she's going to be the Alanis of her generation. One huge album and a defining image, before it all peters out until enough time has passed for her to be seen as interesting again.

by Anonymousreply 139September 16, 2021 10:48 AM

I hope Eilish will have some peace & not be so striving when almost 50 years old. So, tiring to be that age is still such an attention whore. To have $, a family, a marriage & still soo hollow needing even more attention.

by Anonymousreply 140September 16, 2021 12:34 PM

I’m a little confused by the context, is she saying there were a group of men who pulled a train on her at one time when she was 15, or was it individually at different times? And was it still a thing like she was handed around by them like a pedophile ring situation?

by Anonymousreply 141September 16, 2021 2:03 PM

No sense crying over past regrets...

You Live, You Learn.

by Anonymousreply 142September 16, 2021 2:23 PM

She has so pivoted away from when she was cool & intersting.

by Anonymousreply 143September 16, 2021 3:14 PM

Remember when she played God n Dogma?

by Anonymousreply 144September 16, 2021 3:16 PM

I'm glad someone brought up Billie Eilish. Does anyone else think that her brother wrote that song about himself ("I'm a bad guy...") but maybe Billie sings better? Has this ever been discussed?

by Anonymousreply 145September 16, 2021 3:34 PM

R145 the rumours about Billie's "relationship" with her brother aren't new. But i hope they aren't true.

by Anonymousreply 146September 16, 2021 3:41 PM

Isn’t Billie Eilish in a relationship with a much older man?

by Anonymousreply 147September 16, 2021 3:46 PM

Billie Eilish oughta know.

by Anonymousreply 148September 16, 2021 4:09 PM

Alanis sounds like a puta

by Anonymousreply 149September 16, 2021 4:13 PM

[quote] It's called ephebophilia. Its only a semantic difference, its just as fucked up as pedophillia, just as illegal and It's the same type of paraphilia.

No, again you are completely wrong. You do not understand the psychology or the law.

These are very different things.

Psychology recognizes the differences and they very different. Arguably ephebophilia is not a paraphilia. It is a normal attraction to someone who is physically identical or near identical to an adult. Legal age of consent also encompasses those ages in many places and historically allowed marriage. Ephebophilia is not considered a psychiatric disorder - it is a legal proscription.

Pedophiles are a very different breed in their obsession and often their behavior. If they are violent as part of that obsession then that will almost always repeat itself if the offender is released. There are few crimes where I think the nature of the crime, the harm involved and the likelihood of reoffending is so great that I do believe serious consideration should be given to life sentences and if released then life long strict monitoring/control.

The law today in most places has been reformed to categorize below the age of consent sexual offenses by degrees as well as exempt those within a certain age difference of each other.

YOUR obsession with refusing to see the very real differences in the attraction and the very real differences in the potential for harm and the likelihood of recovery for the "victim" is about YOU. YOU have some personal issue with the reality of these things to the extent you need to make them all one rather than understand their realities.

by Anonymousreply 150September 16, 2021 4:35 PM

r150 ^ Found the pervert

by Anonymousreply 151September 16, 2021 6:51 PM

Imagine just for a moment all the good she could have achieved for young people who have been & are currently being sexually exploited if she wasn't such a pathetic professional victim & attention whore. I was such a fan. I'm working hard to cling to my first memories of her early work. I hope this can block out how she is morphing into Rose McGowan.

by Anonymousreply 152September 17, 2021 2:43 AM

This thread is disgusting. Women-blaming again.

She was 15. FIFTEEN. You can't give consent at 15.

If you're a 30-year-old man having sex with a 15-year-old, you're fucking sick. If you're on here defending it, you're sick too. You're no better than R. Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 153September 17, 2021 2:47 AM

The age of consent is a bit like the number of rat hairs you're legally allowed to put into a hotdog. If you need to look it up you're probably doing something shady that you shouldn't be doing.

by Anonymousreply 154September 17, 2021 2:52 AM

I have a college friend who worked as a waitress and had a flirty thing going with the owner of the restaurant when she was 17. He affectionately referred to her as “Jailbait” and despite her attempts he would not have a physical relationship with her until she turned 18. In fact he was boning her later that summer when his wife went into labor and couldn’t reach him.

by Anonymousreply 155September 17, 2021 3:21 AM

It wasn't rape rape.

At 15, it's Lolita rape. You know you have the power, even as an average looking girl.

She liked the power, but now likes the press of being a victim.

by Anonymousreply 156September 17, 2021 4:27 AM

Didn't she scream and shout about all this shit in that huge album? It was really good but I always assumed her crazy bitch anger came from her being "abused" or "assaulted" by men like Ro McGowan who just seems like she gets sexually assaulted if she leaves the house to buy groceries.

by Anonymousreply 157September 17, 2021 4:39 AM

AM looks like the love child of Kelly Clarkson & Kathy Valentine (of the Go-Go's).

by Anonymousreply 158September 17, 2021 5:37 AM

Adults who are knowingly having sex with people who are underage are always wrong. Male or female. This isn’t tough to figure out.

by Anonymousreply 159September 17, 2021 6:06 AM


Lolita is literally a book about a middle aged man who rapes an 11 year old.

by Anonymousreply 160September 17, 2021 3:45 PM

I just listened to 6 or 7 of the songs on JLP today. I was inspired by this thread. They’re pablum. How could anyone have ever thought she was “Alternative”? Also, her singing is much, much higher than I remembered it being.

The music is middle-of-the-road guitar-based pop, not very different from Melissa Etheridge or Sheryl Crow, with arrangement/production affectations that date them squarely in the mid-90s. Those vaguely “trip-hop” drum loops. Ugh.

The song “You Learn” seems to be about nothing at all. What is she saying on the second pre-chorus? “The noxion knocks you from the lip.”

by Anonymousreply 161September 17, 2021 6:59 PM

I agree r161 but I will always love Alanis for this:

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by Anonymousreply 162September 18, 2021 1:08 AM

R162 I don’t get it, it seems like some kind of parody?

by Anonymousreply 163September 18, 2021 1:26 AM

[quote] Who were these older guys?

Randos she met in the parking lot of the local 7-11, most likely.

by Anonymousreply 164September 18, 2021 1:45 AM

She was a flash in the pan. Her first album sold 15M here. By her third, it only moved a million units. Her 2012 album sold 92k units and 100k in Germany. Her last album sold 20k units.

I've always called her All-Anus. She blows.

by Anonymousreply 165September 18, 2021 4:39 PM

I don’t understand how Jagged Little Pill sold as much as it did. Why were those singles so popular? She was a 21-year-old child making unremarkable mainstream music.

Never mind, guess I answered my own question.

by Anonymousreply 166September 19, 2021 12:18 AM

LOVE her but honestly still mad about that "Isn't it Ironic" song after all these years. Most of the lyrics have absolutely nothing to do with irony. Just bad luck!

by Anonymousreply 167September 19, 2021 7:19 PM

[quote] I don’t understand how Jagged Little Pill sold as much as it did.

Marketing. You get your client on every show and all over the media and get their music played all over and that goes a long way.

Same thing with selling a book and making it a "best seller".

The old trick of tell them they want it and they will want it.

by Anonymousreply 168September 19, 2021 8:26 PM

Why do you love her, R167?

by Anonymousreply 169September 19, 2021 8:28 PM

She ahd no staying power as an artist poster above recorded how poorly her work sold. Smoke & mirrors. Now hopping the #MeToo bus. Too late girl is peaked a while ago.

by Anonymousreply 170September 19, 2021 8:37 PM

Right, and isn’t it the case that the success of JLP largely came from Glen Ballard’s songwriting, arrangements, and producing? I got the impression that after that album, she struck out on her own a bit more… with less broadly ‘appealing’ results. But maybe not.

All I know is, she didn’t play an instrument on JLP except for, I believe, a bit of harmonica here and there.

by Anonymousreply 171September 19, 2021 8:41 PM

Those Canada girls were really going strong and dominating the charts for a solid block of time, and then they weren’t. What happened, did the US music industry establish and embargo that undermined their influence?

by Anonymousreply 172September 19, 2021 8:50 PM

I think the music scene changed, plus I think all of those artists - Alanis, Celine, Sarah and Shania were all overexposed by the end of the '90s r172.

Sarah's Surfacing and Shania's Come on Over albums were both released in 1997 and their campaigns went on for years. They were always on the radio. I think their follow-ups just tried to repeat the patterns the previous albums set, but people just weren't as interested.

Celine took a few years off before re-establishing herself as a Vegas performer and it proved profitable for her because when she returned in the early 2000s, radio just wasn't as interested in her as they were in the '90s.

Alanis was never going to top JLP. Her follow-up is a fan favorite and sold decently but compared to JLP, it underperformed. Though Unforgiven was a huge hit and Thank U did well as a follow-up, I thought for sure she was going to have longevity as a hit maker but it never happened.

by Anonymousreply 173September 19, 2021 11:42 PM

So many outraged fraus in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 174September 19, 2021 11:51 PM

[quote] Those Canada girls were really going strong and dominating the charts for a solid block of time,

Ooohhh she's Canadian. They're all sluts. Something to do with the maple syrup.

by Anonymousreply 175September 20, 2021 1:28 AM

Anytime some has something to sell, out comes a half-baked story of abuse in which no names are named. It's pretty fucking tedious and really does lessen the impact of a serious problem.

by Anonymousreply 176September 20, 2021 10:57 AM

R176 She reminds me of Gaga

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by Anonymousreply 177September 20, 2021 11:12 AM

It kind of makes me laugh imaging some random guys in the 711 parking lot running a train on her

by Anonymousreply 178September 21, 2021 3:47 AM

Univited is her very best song. But she was never going to top Jagged Little Pill. Right time and and right place phenomenon. It stuck a chord with young women and young men alike. I was always surprised how many straight Gen X bros owned the album.

by Anonymousreply 179September 21, 2021 4:06 AM

I don’t think that’s exactly what she says happened, R178, but now that you’ve mentioned it, I’m chortling myself.

by Anonymousreply 180September 21, 2021 4:23 AM

She connected with a lot of basic bitches. If Tori Amos' lyrics were too artsy for you, Alanis was your girl. I'm angry. You didn't call me back after I sucked you off. You're dating a prettier version of me. I hate you. I'm still thinking of you years after our one hookup. Lots of women are seriously stalker crazy

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