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Why is Angie Dickinson not more widely seen as a gay icon?

After reading an excellent thread asking a similar question about Arlene Dahl It occurred to me that another actress with the initials AD from the golden age of classic Hollywood was also worth considering in this light. Perhaps I am wrong and in the USA and perhaps beyond she is considered a gay icon. She was beautiful, unconventional or 🏊‍♀️against the american tide of the era of women being motherhood and apple pie. She was certainly not a 1950s typical housewife. Sexually and her romantic life she was certainly more adventurous and was independent minded and pursued her desires. No 1950s housewife! Very glamorous and well connected in Hollywood. A beautiful butterscotch blonde.

So is Angie Dickinson a gay icon and if not why not?

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by Anonymousreply 99September 16, 2021 11:59 PM

One of my favorite things of her was also her refusal to take part in “This is your life.” Watch it. It’s great TV.

by Anonymousreply 1September 13, 2021 8:18 PM

No, she's not. I had Burt talk her out of it.

by Anonymousreply 2September 13, 2021 8:21 PM

Has she ever had any time for us? Did she do anything or even say anything during the AIDS crisis. I recall her being "sexually liberated" in a very conventional, always het, always appealing to straight men way. She's not interesting, intelligent or funny enough for us. To be a Gay Icon you have to have more going for you than Angie Dickinson and the three hairs she has left on her head.

by Anonymousreply 3September 13, 2021 8:28 PM

R3 good question. She was great friends with Rock Hudson, but that doesn't necessarily mean she did much!

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by Anonymousreply 4September 13, 2021 8:44 PM

r3 I'm sure she's had time for gays? But is that part of the criteria for icon ànd if so how important? Did all of the icons like Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Marilyn Monroe etc have time for gays?

by Anonymousreply 5September 13, 2021 8:47 PM

I don't think they all did, R5, but they had more talent, humor, style, power or vulnerability going for them than Angie fucking Dickinson.

by Anonymousreply 6September 13, 2021 8:55 PM

R6 I don't know why your post made me laugh. "Angie fucking Dickinson"

by Anonymousreply 7September 13, 2021 8:57 PM

Angie was filming Police Woman when I worked at Warner Bros.

She was a real friendly, happy person in person. Not like a lot of them.

by Anonymousreply 8September 13, 2021 9:04 PM

I love Police Woman from the 70s!

by Anonymousreply 9September 13, 2021 9:08 PM

It's Pepper Anderson and big gay Earl Holliman!

by Anonymousreply 10September 13, 2021 9:10 PM

r8 Yes there doesn't really appear to be any rumours about her being a diva, nasty or not as she appears. No bad words about her.

r6 Thanks but that's why I am trying to pin down a little more the criteria for being a gay icon.

by Anonymousreply 11September 13, 2021 11:18 PM

She is going to be at Oscars gay nightclub/restaurant in Palm Springs

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by Anonymousreply 12September 13, 2021 11:20 PM

Wonderful! r12 Hope some dataloungers manage to go!

by Anonymousreply 13September 13, 2021 11:43 PM

I always wanted to eat her pussy.

by Anonymousreply 14September 13, 2021 11:45 PM

Her costar in "Police Woman" was Earl Holliman, commonly seen as family. I guess she likely would've known, but still supported him.

Incidentally, "Police Woman" has been renamed "Defunded Child Birthing/cis-Tited Person" on ME-TV, and Earl sometimes wears a dress and earrings.

by Anonymousreply 15September 14, 2021 12:02 AM

Her random pick up and subsequent fuck in the back of a taxi cab in Dressed to Kill is probably the fantasy of many a DLer. Not the VD and murder part that happens afterwards, but a pleasant afternoon up to that point.

by Anonymousreply 16September 14, 2021 12:12 AM

Funny. Just last night I watched Point Blank and she was fantastic in it! What a bonkers movie but really good!

Look at her go to town on Lee Marvin!!

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by Anonymousreply 17September 14, 2021 12:30 AM

Miss Anjuh Dickinson.

by Anonymousreply 18September 14, 2021 12:43 AM

She turned down a 2 million $ advance for writing a tell-all about her "love life". She was gorgeous at the height of the sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's. She must have had fun but kept her private life private. Good for her for not selling out.

by Anonymousreply 19September 14, 2021 12:55 AM

r16 Almost certainly a fantasy of many on here!!

by Anonymousreply 20September 14, 2021 12:58 AM

r19 She probably saved many peoples blushes and a few of their relationships in some cases. With regards to discretion she is extremely classy.

by Anonymousreply 21September 14, 2021 1:00 AM

She's pretty wonderful and honest in her interviews. But there's quite a bit she's going to keep private about. I'm sure if she told all the juicy stuff she had to tell she wouldn't be able to forgive herself. There's some stuff you don't want to give away.

by Anonymousreply 22September 14, 2021 1:04 AM

r22 She has mastered the art of her life appearing to be an open book while its also shrouded in mystique.Its a hard thing to pull off but her style of conversing seems well suited to it.

by Anonymousreply 23September 14, 2021 1:18 AM

The concept of Gay Icon is dated and will die out with your generation, OP.

Dickinson was a cool lady. There is zero need for her to be a "gay icon". Why do you need to retroactively apply such a tired concept, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 24September 14, 2021 1:23 AM

Damn, girl!

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by Anonymousreply 25September 14, 2021 1:26 AM

r24 Im not trying to reapply anything but rather query why the label was attached to some but not others in this case Angie.I am asking why not launching a campaign for her to now be made one.

What generation do you think I am by the way?

by Anonymousreply 26September 14, 2021 1:27 AM

You want to launch a campaign to make Angie Dickson a gay icon? If so, then yes you are trying to retroactively apply something that has nothing to do with her.

Just who would participate in this campaign? And why? WHY? Your thread title along is IDIOTIC! Nobody wants to make her a gay ICON. And she is NOT a gay icon.

Who is next? Marie Laforêt? Julie Christie?

by Anonymousreply 27September 14, 2021 1:37 AM

Always loved her. Total class. And Dressed to Kill is fucking genius.

by Anonymousreply 28September 14, 2021 1:41 AM

r27 Sorry you appear to have misunderstood me or I did something wrong with the grammar in my previous post. I said I am NOT launching a campaign for her to now be made one but asking why in the past she wasnt one but others were from her era. What disqualified her criteria wise in other words.

by Anonymousreply 29September 14, 2021 1:41 AM

That is not what you typed, dear.

"I am asking why not launching a campaign for her to now be made one."

by Anonymousreply 30September 14, 2021 1:44 AM

There was no committee. No criteria. She was not disqualified. TONS of actresses were sexy and classy and caught the eye of gay guys. Most of us loved Police Woman. And her appearances with men, on shows like Johnny Carson. You don't need to be a "gay icon" to be appreciated by gays. WTF is wrong with you? Do you filter your entire life and experience through a "gay" lens?

by Anonymousreply 31September 14, 2021 1:47 AM

r30 Yes Dear I know what I typed . It should maybe have read I am asking why, not launching a campaign for her now to be made one"

Hence why I mentioned grammar. If I was saying what you thought I was saying I would have typed launch not launching.

by Anonymousreply 32September 14, 2021 1:48 AM

I'm out. Enjoy your campaign in an empty forest.

by Anonymousreply 33September 14, 2021 1:50 AM

r31 Dont be so irate without good cause.Too many poor assumptions in your post.

I explained in my OP that having seen an excellent and popular currently active thread asking the exact same question about Arlene Dahl I thought it an apt and good idea to do the same for Angie.

Nothing to do with lens or attaching undue importance and everything to do with it being a discussion forum aimed at gay men.Stop being so serious.

by Anonymousreply 34September 14, 2021 1:51 AM

r33 There is no campaign as I think you now know.

by Anonymousreply 35September 14, 2021 1:52 AM

Angie was many people’s fathers “favorite” actress. Angie is a lovely person who has grown old gracefully. She knows a lot of secrets and gave back a book advance years ago. She was always a bit relaxed (passive) to her detriment. Burt Bacharach was dominating and a shit (like David Foster today) and was awful to their daughter (Angie’s only child) Niki who was an extreme preemie when born in 1967 and who had Asbergers and killed herself about 15 years ago (plastic bag over head) at the age of 40. Burt institutionalized Niki for years because she was “too disruptive.” Then he went and took up with Carole Bayer Sager. Angie had a sultry low watt glamour and has kept a low profile for many decades, which is probably why she barely registers to people under 40.

by Anonymousreply 36September 14, 2021 2:02 AM

r36 Good post . I have wondered what Angie would have been like in Dynasty opposite Joan Collins if she had of taken on the role of Krystal.I have also felt its a bit of a shame she didnt do any guest roles in any of the glossy soaps of that era such as Falcon Crest or Knots Landing.

by Anonymousreply 37September 14, 2021 2:05 AM

R37 I could easily picture that casting! Unfortunately, Dynasty was initially developed as a Linda Evans vehicle, she had had a relationship with ABC since Big Valley, and was attached to Dynasty when it still had the working title “Oil.”

Angie was disappointed there hadn’t been a supporting Oscar campaign for her for Dressed but she still expected the movie scripts to roll in…and they didn’t. Angie should have done guest roles on one of the era’s big nighttime soaps but I suspect 1) she would have asked for too much money and 2) was more comfortable in a project being developed around her (like her many TV movies). Also, Angie was closely associated with NBC (Police Woman) and ABC and CBS had the lock on nighttime soaps. But yes, Angie would have been a great foil to Joan’s Alexis. She probably would have made Joan (the person) very nervous, too, unlike Linda, whom Joan thought was a bit of a dolt. That could have made for some interesting energy.

by Anonymousreply 38September 14, 2021 2:22 AM

r38 Arent Angie and Joan friends in real life? I seem to recall when Joan released a book in the late 1990s where she interviewed various celebrity friends for lifestyle, personal philosophy and beauty tips and one of them was Angie Dickinson who she referenced as my great friend Angie Dickinson?

I remember Angie starred in a short lived show called Wild Palms who some people thought might be a successor to Twin Peaks?

But yes Angie seemed perfect for the glossy 1980s tv era but alas it wasnt meant to be.

by Anonymousreply 39September 14, 2021 2:29 AM

Angie didn't have an 80s glamour or vibe, in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 40September 14, 2021 2:35 AM

r40 Fair enough but to me she seemed a natural for that eras glamour although perhaps tilting towards not being as camp about it as say Joan Collins.

by Anonymousreply 41September 14, 2021 2:46 AM

She was always being menaced by predatory lesbians and murderous transsexuals.

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by Anonymousreply 42September 14, 2021 2:52 AM

Reminds me of my dad who used to watch Police Woman

by Anonymousreply 43September 14, 2021 2:54 AM

Miss Angie Dickinson is very much a gay icon and deserves to be an even bigger one at that. Her Pepper Anderson/Police Woman character was a precursor to the Charlie's Angels, jiggle-tv to come. Her 1966 pantless Esquire magazine cover was a scandalous sensation. Her affairs with JFK and Sinatra are legendary. And those mid to late '70s posters were a lot sexier than Farrah's.

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by Anonymousreply 44September 14, 2021 2:57 AM

R39 I don’t know that they are great friends as much as women with a shared, rarefied experience: beautiful starlets about the same age who came up in their respective studio systems at the same time (Joan at Rank and then Fox and Angie at Warner). They were single girls about town in the LA of the late 50s through early 60s. Then they both married BIG personalities (Newley and Bacharach) and started families at almost the same time. Divorce followed and both of them kept going, adjusting, survivors. I’m not sure how that friendship would have fared had they been at the same studio or if they were ever in direct competition for a man…or a role! So I would say they are the Hollywood definition of “great friends!”

by Anonymousreply 45September 14, 2021 2:58 AM

On Perry Mason...

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by Anonymousreply 46September 14, 2021 3:11 AM

The opening for Police Woman is one of my earliest memories of watching TV. It's a very distinctive intro.

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by Anonymousreply 47September 14, 2021 3:15 AM

Pepper was so versatile. Undercover she could go from stewardess to go-go dancer!

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by Anonymousreply 48September 14, 2021 3:18 AM

She looked great against he-men like Earl.

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by Anonymousreply 49September 14, 2021 3:21 AM

Esquire

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by Anonymousreply 50September 14, 2021 3:23 AM

'80s ladies who lunch

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by Anonymousreply 51September 14, 2021 3:25 AM

She did her part for avocado farmers...

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by Anonymousreply 52September 14, 2021 3:33 AM

We love Dick-in-son.

by Anonymousreply 53September 14, 2021 3:34 AM

One of the earliest comedy sketches I remember (think it was on Sonny and Cher?) was Angie Dickinson interrogating someone and acting like she was eating a Ding Dong. I remember as a kid thinking "she's not even really eating it"

by Anonymousreply 54September 14, 2021 3:40 AM

Is Police Woman showing on Tubi? I’ve never seen it but have wanted to ever since I first saw Angie in Dressed To Kill, on TV circa 1990 when I was 11. I got obsessed with that film, and did some reading about Angie and checked out what I could (very limited options in the pre-Internet era). I remember watching her interview with John Tesh on Entertainment Tonight when she was promoting a cable TV movie she was in, Treacherous Crossing (not a great one).

Anyway, I’ve always liked her a lot and have only ever heard very good things about her. Her refusal to tape the episode of This Is Your Life is the stuff of legend, and people often claim she was a bitch for not playing along. But that’s plainly not true, because the audio (is there video as well? Been a while since I watched it on YouTube) proves she was nice as pie while peace-ing out; she just had personal convictions and stuck to them in the most polite way possible.

Hard to believe she’s going to be 90!

by Anonymousreply 55September 14, 2021 3:52 AM

Shake it, Angie!

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by Anonymousreply 56September 14, 2021 3:56 AM

"I seem to recall when Joan released a book in the late 1990s where she interviewed various celebrity friends for lifestyle, personal philosophy and beauty tips and one of them was Angie Dickinson who she referenced as my great friend Angie Dickinson?"

Close. She called her, "My great friend, Miss Angie Fucking Dickinson".

by Anonymousreply 57September 14, 2021 4:07 AM

Wasn't she a republican at some point of her life?

It seemed like she was a big Reagan fan in the 80s.

That alone would kill her gay icon status.

by Anonymousreply 58September 14, 2021 4:12 AM

r58 Joan Collins seemed to like the Reagans too and she is definitely a gay icon.

r44 What great legs she has! Fantastic photo!

r51 Love that picture.Great ladies in a group photo.

r45 Thanks .I suppose there is a part of me that likes to think of them as good friends because I like both ladies very much but your more cynical take might be closer to the truth!!

by Anonymousreply 59September 14, 2021 4:30 AM

R59 Joan Collins isn't MY gay icon (no Reagan lover star is & that includes the horrible Joan Rivers).

by Anonymousreply 60September 14, 2021 4:47 AM

[quote]Why is Angie Dickinson not more widely seen as a gay icon?

Because all you motherfuckers do is talk about the Golden Girls when Designing Women is clearly better.

by Anonymousreply 61September 14, 2021 4:54 AM

She may have had a few gay friends, but she's never openly supported any gay equality efforts.

by Anonymousreply 62September 14, 2021 6:12 AM

wasn't Burt Bacharach gay?

by Anonymousreply 63September 14, 2021 6:17 AM

R55, JustWatch indicates that Police Woman is streaming on Tubi:

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by Anonymousreply 64September 14, 2021 12:25 PM

She wasn't slutty, drunk or outrageous enough to be a traditional gay icon.

by Anonymousreply 65September 14, 2021 12:48 PM

Or tragic enough^^

by Anonymousreply 66September 14, 2021 12:50 PM

R38, Linda Evans has said repeatedly in interviews over the years that Angie was offered the role of Krystle first and turned it down.

by Anonymousreply 67September 14, 2021 1:14 PM

Angie kept a diary for years, but burned it when she and Burt first hired live in help after Nikki was born.

by Anonymousreply 68September 14, 2021 1:16 PM

I have always wondered if she seduced the gorgeous Ricky Nelson on the set of Rio Bravo.

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by Anonymousreply 69September 14, 2021 1:24 PM

Angie probably rivals Shelley Winters in number of conquests; however, Angie has always been discreet about those trysts. Miss Winters not so much.

by Anonymousreply 70September 14, 2021 3:57 PM

R69, Nah, Angie was never into younger guys. If any "Rio Bravo" cast member was mounting her, my money would be on Duke or Dean.

by Anonymousreply 71September 14, 2021 4:43 PM

You just know she got some high quality dick back in the day. That alone should make her a DL icon. Somehow, she always read as both slutty and wholesome/down to earth. Not an easy thing to do. Most sluts always appear to be trying too hard.

by Anonymousreply 72September 14, 2021 5:04 PM

She still won't confirm that she fucked JFK, which is silly at this point.

She does admit to being Sinatra's on again/off again fuck buddy over a couple of decades.

by Anonymousreply 73September 14, 2021 5:08 PM

Yet, wasn’t Shelley known to embellish things a bit?

by Anonymousreply 74September 14, 2021 5:14 PM

Big-dicked Mo Rocca did a great interview with her in 2019. It's worth watching.

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by Anonymousreply 75September 14, 2021 5:23 PM

R74, Pity when one has to embellish.

by Anonymousreply 76September 14, 2021 5:26 PM

R75, "An open robe is not a rape."

by Anonymousreply 77September 14, 2021 5:28 PM

R67 I have yet to hear that from anyone with first hand knowledge. Linda Evans may believe it. Angie Dickinson may believe it. But there is so much bs that gets passed around from agents and managers and production team publicists and network team publicists. The rumors keep everyone on their toes, make actresses think their teams are working for them, generate buzz, and help feed into most actresses’s insecurities that they were not first choice….or that they could be replaced.

Aaron Spelling was also notorious for dropping rumors about casting that had no basis in reality. It’s just part of deal making. I do know that once the Shapiros teamed up with ABC, they were all very keen on Evans because ABC liked her from Big Valley, she had a good reputation, and she was affordable. Dickinson was still very close to NBC at the time—Police Woman was still shooting in 1978 and Dynasty began shooting in 1980–and would likely not have alienated them…unless it was a massive offer, and Dynasty had a small freshman budget.

by Anonymousreply 78September 14, 2021 8:56 PM

r78 Aaron Spelling sounds like a right character!

by Anonymousreply 79September 14, 2021 10:10 PM

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Angie Dickinson was more of a woman’s female star than a gay man’s female star.

It’s like asking why isn’t Jennifer Aniston a gay icon.

They didn’t do anything to warrant such a status.

by Anonymousreply 80September 14, 2021 10:27 PM

Kennedy even fucked Adele Astaire. Who didn't he fuck?

by Anonymousreply 81September 14, 2021 10:34 PM

r80 I have genuinely never thought that.I would personally not say that her appeal lies more with women than gay men.I would say her appeal is strongest with straight men ,then gay men and straight women last in whatever order. w

by Anonymousreply 82September 15, 2021 12:23 AM

R78, You're talking out of your shit crusted ass. Both Linda and Angie have stated numerous times over the years that Krystle was first offered to Dickinson and that has never been disputed or challenged, except by you.

by Anonymousreply 83September 15, 2021 12:48 AM

R83 Relax, Melissa Ann. You’re so much more bearable when you’re not spasming in the gutter.

by Anonymousreply 84September 15, 2021 12:52 AM

Angie has an absolutely beautiful smile in this picture that is enhancing the gorgeous nature of her face.

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by Anonymousreply 85September 15, 2021 12:56 AM

She’s not a gay icon because she’s boringly normal; there’s nothing ex she rated about her public persona it her performances onscreen.

by Anonymousreply 86September 15, 2021 1:01 AM

Angie Dickinson was offered multiple roles on Dynasty. Not just Krystal. The role of Lady Ashton was created for her. She declined and Ali McGraw was cast. She was approached a THIRD time for the part of Sable Colby...

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by Anonymousreply 87September 15, 2021 1:11 AM

R83 Because they understand the difference between a real, legal offer and agent/industry talk. An offer isn’t an offer until it’s in writing, reviewed by your agent and attorney, and awaiting your signature. Your agent telling you “Aaron Spelling would love you for a series he’s developing for ABC” means shit. Reading a script your agent sends you means nothing. There’s a difference between being considered for something and having a hard offer for something. But putting the former out there does not hurt anyone, it only enhances reputations. Why would anyone dispute it? I don’t think you understand anything about the entertainment industry. You’re a layman who goes by Wikipedia and blogs. But that’s OK. I’m happy to educate you.

by Anonymousreply 88September 15, 2021 1:13 AM

R88, Mommy needs a diaper change. Why don't you haul your ass upstairs to the first floor and be a dutiful son, you pathetic old queen.

by Anonymousreply 89September 15, 2021 1:21 AM

R89 Offer still stands: I’m happy to educate you. I can be the Annie to your Helen. #sisterhood

by Anonymousreply 90September 15, 2021 1:26 AM

"Pretty Maids all in a Row" = Angie seduces a teenage boy (John David Carson). This was the movie with Rock Hudson. I wonder if Rock had him? Rock played his school "counselor" who takes him under his wing.

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by Anonymousreply 91September 15, 2021 1:27 AM

R91 Rock generally liked blond guys, but who knows?

by Anonymousreply 92September 15, 2021 1:32 AM

r91 Ooohh saucey!

by Anonymousreply 93September 15, 2021 1:34 AM

I was her body double in Dressed to Kill.

by Anonymousreply 94September 15, 2021 3:25 AM

You don’t look like Angie Dickinson r94

by Anonymousreply 95September 15, 2021 3:37 AM

r95 Oh Blanche!

by Anonymousreply 96September 15, 2021 6:23 PM

[Quote]You don’t look like Angie Dickinson [R94]

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by Anonymousreply 97September 15, 2021 6:27 PM

Love Angie in the Martini advert!

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by Anonymousreply 98September 15, 2021 11:27 PM

Photo of Angie Dickinson with Dean Martin while filming Rio Bravo.

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by Anonymousreply 99September 16, 2021 11:59 PM
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