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Now, Voyager on TCM. Anyone seen it? What did you think?

I'll be up front and say it had me for the first hour, especially with the cunt of a mother, then devolved into increasingly unlikely plot points until I expected there to be a killer bipolar girl in Beacon Hill, Boston at the end. I felt this film jumped the shark, but maybe I'm wrong?

Would it have been a better film if the protagonists/antagonists were trans and/or gay?

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by Anonymousreply 115September 15, 2021 11:11 PM

Are you seriously asking whether anyone has seen “Now, Voyager?”

by Anonymousreply 1September 12, 2021 9:08 PM

I loved it

by Anonymousreply 2September 12, 2021 9:10 PM

Charlotte, where did you get that dress?

Lisa and I shoplifted it in New York today.

It’s outrageous. It makes you look like a retard. Take it off so I can rub my prune-pussy on it.

by Anonymousreply 3September 12, 2021 9:21 PM

What shall I call you?

Well, let’s see... You can call me Carlotta, Charlie or a name I was once called - cunt.

Oh, I like that one! I’ll call you cunt!

by Anonymousreply 4September 12, 2021 9:23 PM

Why did you call me cunt?

Well, it’s the only other name I know to call you besides bitch.

by Anonymousreply 5September 12, 2021 9:24 PM

Bette Davis misbehaves for 90 minutes.

Henreid is effeminate.

Gladys is OK but it would have been better if Flora Robson played it. Warners offered her a seven year contract to stay in LA..

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by Anonymousreply 6September 12, 2021 9:24 PM

I liked Charlotte’s mom (old prune pussy).

Charlotte, where did you get that dress?

Lisa and I shoplifted it in New York today.

It’s outrageous. It makes you look like a retard. Take it off so I can rub my prune-pussy on it.

by Anonymousreply 7September 12, 2021 9:57 PM

R7, are you also R3?

by Anonymousreply 8September 12, 2021 9:58 PM

Yea, hee hee

by Anonymousreply 9September 12, 2021 10:00 PM

Here’s more banter between Charlotte Vale and her mother!

I could earn my own living, Mother. I’ve often thought about it. I give good head from what I’ve been told. I could go into business.

You may think that’s very funny but I think you’re sucking air up your ass.

I don’t think I am. I’m not afraid to turn tricks for a living, Mother. I’m not afraid of doing anal either

by Anonymousreply 10September 12, 2021 10:01 PM

R8 Yes, it thinks it's clever

by Anonymousreply 11September 12, 2021 10:01 PM

Here is a delightful conversation between Charlotte’s mother and her stalwart nurse, Dora.

Where's Dora? I want Dora.

I want my ass rubbed , my piss pad fixed and another cup of hooch.

- Which first, Queen Elizabeth? - Ass rubbed.

Mmm. That's good. Don't stop.

You're a good girl, Dora.

A good, devoted girl.

You wouldn't stick your nose up my ass, would you, Dora?

You're talking absolute horseshit.

by Anonymousreply 12September 12, 2021 10:05 PM

It is superb melodrama. I love Gladys Cooper the most, but Davis gives one of her most iconic performances here. Cooper: "Try to remember Charlotte that we're hardly commercial travelers." Also, the way Bonita Granville licks her lips when she sees dumpy Aunt Charlotte for the first time in her new chic persona. And Mary Wickes calling Mrs. Vale Cleopatra is a great touch.

Seriously OP, having never seen Now, Voyager but having somehow found the DL makes me dizzy with cognitive dissonance.

by Anonymousreply 13September 12, 2021 10:17 PM

How come I've never heard of this film? I thought I'd seen everything!

by Anonymousreply 14September 12, 2021 11:04 PM

R14 you’re obviously stupid.

by Anonymousreply 15September 12, 2021 11:26 PM

OP—There’s this funny little film about a classic film actress and her adopted children. It’s called Mommie Dearest or perhaps Mommy Dearest. Faye Dunaway plays the actress. One might say “overplays.” Look for it. It’s a hoot.

by Anonymousreply 16September 12, 2021 11:28 PM

I love Bette Davis’ hairstyle in this film.

by Anonymousreply 17September 12, 2021 11:30 PM

I love the fritillaries.

by Anonymousreply 18September 12, 2021 11:36 PM

It would have been great if Bette turned into Jane Hudson during the scene with her mother.

by Anonymousreply 19September 12, 2021 11:38 PM

Very special canapes.

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by Anonymousreply 20September 12, 2021 11:39 PM

One of my favorites because our dear Charlottes gets most of the money in the end from that old bitch of a mother. I still think the story would have been better if she has used some of her cash just to fuck people over.

by Anonymousreply 21September 12, 2021 11:48 PM

“I'm my mother's well-loved daughter. I'm her companion. I am my mother's servant.”

by Anonymousreply 22September 12, 2021 11:55 PM

Bette Davis was quite lovely before the booze and cigarettes ravaged her looks.

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by Anonymousreply 23September 12, 2021 11:55 PM

If Davis was "quite lovely" so was Carolyn (Morticia) Jones.

by Anonymousreply 24September 12, 2021 11:57 PM

Davis wasn't a raving beauty, but she was pretty. Then the booze and cigs made her very haggard.

by Anonymousreply 25September 13, 2021 12:04 AM

She was at her best when she was directed by Wyler. I wish they had made a couple of more films together. I like Mr. Skeffington. That doesn't seem to be mentioned by many people.

by Anonymousreply 26September 13, 2021 12:06 AM

Charlotte, where are you going?

I’m going to beat the shit out of Tina because she’s a stupid bitch.

by Anonymousreply 27September 13, 2021 12:08 AM

No nobody's seen it. And nobody knows what an 11 o'clock number is either.

by Anonymousreply 28September 13, 2021 12:10 AM

[quote] There should be a separate DL for REALLY stupid people.

Those people aren't members of The Cognoscenti.

by Anonymousreply 29September 13, 2021 12:16 AM

Bette Davis was good, but the plot was ridiculous. She basically kidnaps a girl in a manner no different than what Alex Forrest did in Fatal Attraction,

by Anonymousreply 30September 13, 2021 12:19 AM

But they are members of The Cretini.

by Anonymousreply 31September 13, 2021 12:24 AM

OP, I can tell that you're new because you put a coma between the words - Now Voyager.

OY, god help us.

by Anonymousreply 32September 13, 2021 12:37 AM

[quote] put a coma

by Anonymousreply 33September 13, 2021 12:39 AM

Is there a literary link between 'Now Voyager' and 'Now Barabbas'?

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by Anonymousreply 34September 13, 2021 12:42 AM

Orry-Kelly was a genius.

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by Anonymousreply 35September 13, 2021 12:44 AM

Gowns by...

by Anonymousreply 36September 13, 2021 12:46 AM

r35 that's gorgeous, it would still be in style today

by Anonymousreply 37September 13, 2021 12:48 AM


by Anonymousreply 38September 13, 2021 12:51 AM

[quote] OP, I can tell that you're new because you put a coma between the words - Now Voyager.

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by Anonymousreply 39September 13, 2021 12:51 AM

The point is, young one R39, NO ONE BORN AFTER 1940 uses the fucking coma!

by Anonymousreply 40September 13, 2021 12:52 AM

OP, you have the worst taste in the world.

by Anonymousreply 41September 13, 2021 12:59 AM

R35 I saw Shawn Mendes wear something very similar to that last night.

by Anonymousreply 42September 13, 2021 1:00 AM

[quote] The point is, young one [R39], NO ONE BORN AFTER 1940 uses the fucking coma!

Someone who does not even know how to spell "comma" correctly (and you've misspelled it now more than once on this thread) has zero business making obnoxious and incorrect assertions about style and usage.

by Anonymousreply 43September 13, 2021 1:02 AM

Since the title is a quotation from [italic]Leaves of Grass,[/italic] and Walt Whitman uses a comma between "Now" and "Voyager," of course there has to be a comma in the title, despite r40's ageist and ill-informed comments:

[quote] The untold want, by life and land ne'er granted,

[quote] Now, Voyager, sail thou forth, to seek and find.

by Anonymousreply 44September 13, 2021 1:05 AM

It's a rare case where the film is much better than the overlong and overly-flowery book.

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by Anonymousreply 45September 13, 2021 1:06 AM

STFU with the grammar lesson

by Anonymousreply 46September 13, 2021 1:06 AM

Why, when Tina said she fantasized about pissing on on me, Well, it was like a goddamned nightmare... Like I want your child to piss on me, that would be like a fucking mule pissing on me. I did allow myself to indulge in the fantasy, that both of us were beating the shit out of her. I know what's best for her, and beating her ass would actually make her seem like our child after a while

by Anonymousreply 47September 13, 2021 1:06 AM

@ R34

Walt Whitman said—

[quote] The untold want by life and land ne’er granted, Now voyager sail thou forth to seek and find.

John the Apostle said—

[quote] Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man Jesus… but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a thief

by Anonymousreply 48September 13, 2021 1:07 AM

R43 = ignorant and proud of it!

I am happy you're not in a COMA, somehow...

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by Anonymousreply 49September 13, 2021 1:09 AM

Where’s Dora?! I want Dora!

Yes your highness

Rub my ass!

by Anonymousreply 50September 13, 2021 1:12 AM

I was never crazy about Now, Voyager either. I mean, the ending is just so -- I don't know -- anticlimactic, for want of a better word. My favorite Bette Davis movie is actually All About Eve.

But then again, I'm a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 51September 13, 2021 1:16 AM

Watch it when I need to feel brave. When Bette says in that incredulous, then strong voice. I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid, that's the moment I came for. And of course, that hokey end line. Why wish for the moon when we already have the stars. What away to look at life. What a goal to have.

by Anonymousreply 52September 13, 2021 1:37 AM

The ending would have to be changed today. If the film could be remade at all…

by Anonymousreply 53September 13, 2021 1:41 AM

R52 = Trevor Donovan

by Anonymousreply 54September 13, 2021 1:42 AM

I’ve seen this movie a dozen times at least, because I’m a Bette Davis fan, but I don’t see how Charlotte was any better off pining after a married msn who didn’t have the guts to get a divorce than she was living with her mother.

Plus Jerry was kind of a shit father.

by Anonymousreply 55September 13, 2021 1:48 AM

R23- I should have known you'd know where to find the BOYS and the BOOZE.

by Anonymousreply 56September 13, 2021 1:53 AM

[quote]Now, Voyager on TCM. Anyone seen it? What did you think?

I've tried but I just can't stand Kate Mulgrew.

I didn't realize it was on now.

by Anonymousreply 57September 13, 2021 1:54 AM

R 54..No, I'm not this guy, don't even know who it is. I'm just someone who wants to be happy. Sometimes it's tough in this world with all the cruelty, pain & scary stuff. I have always gleaned lots of good, sanity & life saving stuff from art, literature, films, music, theatre. Sorry, I'm not a dried up bitter husk who won't even try. I'm the kid shoveling the horse shit saying with all this shit, there must be a pony. I just refuse to believe life has to be bad. I let all forms of art fill my soul, raise me up when I'm down, give me courage & grace when I can't muster it myself. Sorry you have to be such a twat.

by Anonymousreply 58September 13, 2021 2:50 AM

This thread put me into a comma.

by Anonymousreply 59September 13, 2021 2:57 AM

Mary Wickes was one of the greatest character actresses and dykes of all time.

by Anonymousreply 60September 13, 2021 3:04 AM

[quote] I don’t see how Charlotte was any better off pining after a married msn who didn’t have the guts to get a divorce than she was living with her mother.

For any numbers of reasons. The movie is not about finding a husband (that's not the only way for women to find happiness). It's about growing up and learning not to be afraid, and standing up to bullies ("'Stick to your guns,' he says, 'and don't fire'"), and taking care of someone you love who needs you.

Moreover, Charlotte will no longer be dependent on anyone, the way she was before her transformation. She is now wealthy and has a huge house of her own, and she can have Tina and Tina's friends over, and be kind to them.

The ending of the film is certainly cheesy and campy (with the weenie roast in the Vale mansion's fireplace!), but I love that the sentiment at the end is not, "A woman is nothing without a husband," the way it is for 99.9% of the films from that time.

by Anonymousreply 61September 13, 2021 3:23 AM

[quote] has a huge house of her own

You know, there's nothing like these old Boston homes anywhere. Here on Marlborough Street or Beacon Hill, you see them standing in a row like bastions: firm, proud, resisting the new. Houses turned in upon themselves, hugging their pride.

by Anonymousreply 62September 13, 2021 3:26 AM

[quote] with the weenie roast


by Anonymousreply 63September 13, 2021 3:27 AM

Henried had less sex appeal than Leslie Howard.

His mimsy Austrian sex appeal was down on level with Joseph Schildkraut and George Arliss.

by Anonymousreply 64September 13, 2021 3:32 AM

Bette apparently mused that Charlotte would eventually marry Dr. Jacquith (Claude Rains) and they would run a clinic together. I can see that.

by Anonymousreply 65September 13, 2021 3:34 AM

Bette adored Claude Rains. Maybe because he was as much of a drunk as she was.

by Anonymousreply 66September 13, 2021 3:35 AM

I'm behind in my knowledge of wall-eyed Bette and Women's Films.

Essentially, it's Patsy Stone with a different accent and STD.

by Anonymousreply 67September 13, 2021 4:00 AM

OP - if I’ve told you once, I’ve told you 100 times: STOP ASKING FOR THE MOON!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 68September 13, 2021 4:34 AM

I always thought James Cameron lifted the make out in the car transported on a ship from NOW, VOYAGER

by Anonymousreply 69September 13, 2021 10:53 AM

I pictured the fritterlaries cape as chartreuse. It was not:

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by Anonymousreply 70September 13, 2021 10:54 AM

Hate that the cape was red. Loved it white. The idea of chartreuse butterflies, in various shades..yummy. I'd wear it for sure.

by Anonymousreply 71September 13, 2021 2:51 PM

Do you think Charlotte’s mom ever got laid?

by Anonymousreply 72September 14, 2021 7:34 PM

The untold want by life and land ne’er granted, Now voyager sail thou forth to seek and find.

And since Whitman was gay, his untold want was men. Sail forth with some sailors to seek and find.

by Anonymousreply 73September 14, 2021 7:47 PM

[quote] Do you think Charlotte’s mom ever got laid?

Unless there was artificial insemination back then, I suspect Charlotte’s mother “got laid” in order to conceive Charlotte and her brothers.

by Anonymousreply 74September 14, 2021 8:37 PM

I bet she made Dora finger fuck her

by Anonymousreply 75September 14, 2021 8:41 PM

Ass rub, R75.

by Anonymousreply 76September 14, 2021 8:43 PM

Dora, rub my ass!

by Anonymousreply 77September 14, 2021 9:21 PM

Imagine what Orry-Kelly would have presented for the Met Gala! Bitch would have slayed it, utterly. He made Bette who refused to wear a bra looks so fabulous. The transformation is so amazing.

by Anonymousreply 78September 14, 2021 10:37 PM

Orry-Kelly gave good head too.

by Anonymousreply 79September 14, 2021 10:39 PM

Orry-Kelly's real name was George.

And he was unemployed for long stretches between studio jobs.

by Anonymousreply 80September 14, 2021 11:14 PM

R72 I'm sure Mother may have seemed desirable 25 years previous but there may have been some secret sadness over some man which pinched her nostrils and hardened her heart.

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by Anonymousreply 81September 14, 2021 11:23 PM

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Obsession is the sincerest form of jealousy.

by Anonymousreply 82September 14, 2021 11:27 PM

I'll second that!

by Anonymousreply 83September 15, 2021 12:15 AM

Gladys Cooper had several children and was considered one of the great Edwardian beauties. Back then they would sell postcards of the most beautiful women of the era and she was one of them.

She seemed to have no vanity. When they started offering her old women parts fairly early she took them and made herself look older. Jack Warner seems to have loved her. She's sitting next to him the night MFL won the Oscar. I wish both Holloway and Cooper had won. They deserved to.

by Anonymousreply 84September 15, 2021 12:23 AM

When Gladys Cooper died, Noel Coward was heard to say: "No worries, there's always Cathleen Nesbitt."

by Anonymousreply 85September 15, 2021 12:43 AM

Cathleen always shadowed Gladys.

by Anonymousreply 86September 15, 2021 12:58 AM

Cathleen created the role of Mrs. Higgins on Broadway.

She even recreated her performance in the 1979 Rex Harrison revival as she was the only living actress who could believably play Harrison's mother.

by Anonymousreply 87September 15, 2021 1:10 AM

I love it when newly thin Charlotte casually tells Bonita Granville's character she can (and should) hook her up with the doctor who's prescribing her speed

by Anonymousreply 88September 15, 2021 1:26 AM

R87, I even saw them both in a Broadway version in 1981 or 82. Odd to think I've seen, in the living flesh, a woman who got with Rupert Brooke.

by Anonymousreply 89September 15, 2021 1:57 AM

[quote] who got with Rupert Brooke.

So did Virginia Woolf

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by Anonymousreply 90September 15, 2021 2:26 AM

R64 - believe it or not, at my OTHER favorite website (Nitrateville), we actually have a George Arliss troll.

by Anonymousreply 91September 15, 2021 2:44 AM

R91 = Jacqueline Stewart

by Anonymousreply 92September 15, 2021 2:47 AM


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by Anonymousreply 93September 15, 2021 2:49 AM

George Arliss is the epitome of etiolation.

by Anonymousreply 94September 15, 2021 2:53 AM

R87 - Apparently by 1979 Miss Nesbit was inconvenient and would leave little puddles of piss all over the stage.

by Anonymousreply 95September 15, 2021 5:03 AM

[quote] Apparently by 1979 Miss Nesbit was inconvenient

If that was the case, they shouldn't have had her on stage.

by Anonymousreply 96September 15, 2021 5:21 AM

[quote] my OTHER favorite website (Nitrateville)

I notice they have a hunky Tarzan type on their main page

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by Anonymousreply 97September 15, 2021 5:45 AM

That’s Francis X. Bushman R97

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by Anonymousreply 98September 15, 2021 6:13 AM

I'm guessing Francis Xavier Bushman was Catholic.

I wonder if he was the first male sex-object in movies? More women went mad over Valentino but Bushman displayed more of a physique.

by Anonymousreply 99September 15, 2021 8:14 AM

Whoa Francis X, had to pull out my fan...Baby oh baby!!

by Anonymousreply 100September 15, 2021 1:08 PM

Cathleen Nesbitt, A Woman of Great Incontinence.

by Anonymousreply 101September 15, 2021 1:34 PM

They have Francis X. Bushman's picture up because there's a new documentary about him on DVD with several of his films included. I'm pretty sure he was the first muscleman in the movies.

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by Anonymousreply 102September 15, 2021 3:58 PM

I’m an old woman my dear. I know my sex.

by Anonymousreply 103September 15, 2021 5:21 PM

The Michfest version would be "I'm Telling You NOW, Voyager, So I Don't Have to Tell You Then, Voyager."

by Anonymousreply 104September 15, 2021 5:25 PM

Thank you, Lucile Watson, but you weren't in Now, Voyager.

by Anonymousreply 105September 15, 2021 6:22 PM

Such a wonderful movie!

by Anonymousreply 106September 15, 2021 6:24 PM

I hate that bitch Tina.

by Anonymousreply 107September 15, 2021 6:49 PM

Hated that snarky niece. Why her shit mother didn't slap the dog shit out of that face when she was riding Auntie C. is beyond me. Bad parenting 101. Typical white rich family. Then little bitch niece tried again to humiliate Auntie C. when the boat docked. Again dish rag Mom says nada. Wasn't neicee shocked to see the hunky guys hitting on Auntie C.& ignoring her fat ass.? Auntie C. made sure to drive home the reason why she was being ignored by the cuties's was because she was a fat ass. Then niece trying to butter up Dr J. at the party, obviously trying to get a script for some speed to melt some of that fat off her ass. Bet she would up even fatter, unmarried & living in some little horrible hovel w. the Southies or Roxbury. Serve bitch right!!

by Anonymousreply 108September 15, 2021 7:02 PM

Your writing is ever so reminiscent of Olive Higgins Prouty, r108!

by Anonymousreply 109September 15, 2021 9:05 PM

R81's pic of Gladys Cooper - I never knew Tucker Carlson looked so much like a girl

by Anonymousreply 110September 15, 2021 9:09 PM

I don't know R99, Bushman sounds Jewish to me.

by Anonymousreply 111September 15, 2021 9:52 PM

Gladys Cooper had a nose that Hollywood actresses today pay 10s of thousands of dollars to get despite the fact that it doesn't look right on them and collapses anyway.

by Anonymousreply 112September 15, 2021 10:15 PM

[quote] Gladys Cooper had a nose

Well, I like Gladys Cooper but her nostrils are something I don't like (they are like a lizard's nostrils).

But despite that she appeared in some good, less-clichéd roles in some lesser-known English films, such as 'Beware of Pity' (1946) and The Man Who Loved Redheads' (1955).

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by Anonymousreply 113September 15, 2021 10:29 PM

^ Now that is Philip Merivale (1886 – 1946), Gladys' second husband. I guess him dying left her to abandon Britain and ruin her complexion to sunbake herself into mindlessness in the Pacific Palisades.

But I don't know if there's any link between Philip and Jack Merivale (1917 – 1990) who was Vivien's companion in her distressing final years.

by Anonymousreply 114September 15, 2021 11:03 PM

[quote] I don't know [R99], Bushman sounds Jewish to me.

R111 = Barbara Thorndyke

by Anonymousreply 115September 15, 2021 11:11 PM
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