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DEAR EVAN HANSEN: Ohhh, You In Trouble, Gurl......

Review: Dear Evan Hansen Movie Is So Drab, So Banal

Of all the movie-musicals to come out this year, a surprisingly long list that includes In the Heights, Everybody's Talking About Jamie, and the forthcoming West Side Story, the buzz around the motion-picture adaptation of the Tony-winning musical Dear Evan Hansen has been practically nonexistent. The trailer was released without much fanfare. The promotion, thus far, has been minimal. It's almost like Universal is trying to sweep Dear Evan Hansen gently under the rug, a tactic that I didn't quite comprehend before I saw it, and which I deeply understand now having experienced it.

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by Anonymousreply 495September 17, 2021 10:55 PM

Scripted by Tony-winning book writer Steven Levenson, directed by Stephen Chbosky (The Perks of Being a Wallflower), and featuring a slimmed down song list by Tony winners Benj Pasek and Justin Paul, Dear Evan Hansen is a dense musical about a white lie that spins out of control, the role of technology in the perpetuation of false narratives, the power of forgiveness, and the struggle so many people have with mental health. Evan (Ben Platt, reprising his Tony-winning performance) is an anxiety-ridden high school kid whose therapist encourages him to write motivational letters to himself every day. One of them, detailing his secret crush on school chum Zoe Murphy (Kaityln Dever, in the film's most believable turn), is intercepted by her loner brother Connor (Colton Ryan, a little too sweet), who subsequently kills himself.

Desperately searching for answers and thinking it's a suicide note addressed to their son's secret friend Evan, Connor's parents (Amy Adams and a distracted Danny Pino) welcome this unexpected guest into their lives, and Evan doesn't stop them, going to great lengths to prove their "friendship," while courting their daughter and figuring out how to come out of his shell. Of course, this fib balloons into a viral sensation about hope and perseverance when social outcast Alana (Amandla Stenberg, operating in a different, probably better, film) decides to start a suicide prevention foundation in Connor's name.

by Anonymousreply 1September 10, 2021 2:19 AM

Onstage, it's a tearjerker: a wrenching grief story for the grownups, and a generally frank examination of psychological issues that aren't really addressed in mainstream media to its plethora of young fans. It strains credulity, sure, but that artifice of the proscenium (and the radio-ready pop score) carries it. We know it's not real, but we go with it anyway, and it provides a nice little catharsis amid the moral gray area as we buy the cast album on the way out.

Film is a different story – it's "real" real. Evan's actions, which we sort of shrug off after seeing it on Broadway because they're presented with hints of ambiguity, are truly grotesque in celluloid. He's a Machiavellian villain in a story where he's written to be the hero.

This push-and-pull between hero and villain would have been a more thoughtful reexamination of the show for the screen if the creative team wanted to put in the work, but instead they've given us a generally straightforward adaptation, which, to paraphrase one of the songs, is so drab, so banal, and desperately in need of editing (even with four songs cut, it clocks in at a staggering two hours and 17 minutes, which is almost longer than the stage version).

by Anonymousreply 2September 10, 2021 2:19 AM

Through excising songs like "Anybody Have a Map?," "Good for You," and "To Break in a Glove," Levenson neuters the roles of the adults down to almost nothing, a shame when you have fine actors like Adams and Julianne Moore, who plays the barely-there role of Evan's working mom, doing their best to find characters with extremely little. Moore, in particular, does well with the ostensible eleven o'clock number, "So Big, So Small," but the pathos is blunted by the lack of screen time – it doesn't earn it on screen the way it does on stage. From opening the film with "Waving Through a Window" to the new (unnecessary) number for Alana ("The Anonymous Ones," co-penned and sung by Stenberg) this has been refashioned entirely as a teen story, devoid of really anything that gave it dramatic heft.

There are aspects of Chbosky's cinematic expansion that work extremely well in a grim way – "Sincerely Me," where Evan and his friend Jared (Nik Dodani, doing his best Will Roland impression) create the fake emails from Connor, becomes a colorful spectacle at an arcade, while Zoe almost crashes her car with frustration during "Requiem." These moments excellently accentuate the piquant nature of the script, while the rest of it is created with a doe-eyed sincerity that goes against the darker hues. A new denouement, which is supposed to not let Evan off the hook so easily but involves him once again using Connor for his own means, is particularly repellant.

As for Platt, he's too old and his hair's a mess, but the film is actually a pretty good representation of what he did on Broadway, capturing the from-the-gut performance and impressive vocals that launched his career into the stratosphere. What it lacks, no fault of his own, is subtext. It's clear he understand what he's doing, but Chbosky never allows us to understand Evan's motivation. Without grounding his actions, Evan is just a monster, which is clearly not what they want us to walk away thinking.

This could be a metaphor for the film of Dear Evan Hansen itself. Words fail, indeed.

by Anonymousreply 3September 10, 2021 2:20 AM

Other reviewers are kinder. Sort of....

[quote]Dear Evan Hansen Review: Ben Platt Shines In Emotionally Exhausting Film Adaptation

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by Anonymousreply 4September 10, 2021 2:24 AM

"Meh...." gushes Deadline!

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by Anonymousreply 5September 10, 2021 2:26 AM

His hair and face make me laugh at him. He is too old for this part now.

by Anonymousreply 6September 10, 2021 2:29 AM

Poor Ben Platt. He really does look strange in this.

I loved DEH onstage, and he was terrific in it. I hate that people will take the film version's failure as evidence that no one wants to see new musicals.

by Anonymousreply 7September 10, 2021 2:31 AM

If it werent for his father, nobody would know who the hell he is....same with Beanie Feldstein and Jonah Hill.

by Anonymousreply 8September 10, 2021 2:33 AM

Pic from the TIFF red carpet tonight.

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by Anonymousreply 9September 10, 2021 2:49 AM

I am so sad for all of them, especially Julianne. That is such a meaningful role and should have been treated better in a better movie.

by Anonymousreply 10September 10, 2021 3:01 AM

Danny Pino! Or is that Daddy Pino? WOOF!

by Anonymousreply 11September 10, 2021 3:02 AM

They all look so sad in that photo @ r9.

by Anonymousreply 12September 10, 2021 3:03 AM

Who thinks Ben Platt looks 16?.....He looks 35. A shame. The movie could have showcased an unknown.

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by Anonymousreply 13September 10, 2021 3:08 AM

[quote] Moore, in particular, does well with the ostensible eleven o'clock number

I'm glad Google could tell me what that is.

by Anonymousreply 14September 10, 2021 3:11 AM

[quote]The film’s stars are good singers, particularly Amandla Stenberg, who has a commanding voice that stands out because she sounds natural and is the only one not pretending she’s performing at the Music Box theater in New York.

Ouch... Brutal, for Platt.

by Anonymousreply 15September 10, 2021 3:23 AM

Ben will never get his EGOT now.

Sad, really.

by Anonymousreply 16September 10, 2021 3:31 AM

how many years before the nationwide search for casting the lead in Dear Evan Hansen LIVE on FOX...just in time for the holidays!

by Anonymousreply 17September 10, 2021 4:16 AM

[quote] Moore, in particular, does well with the ostensible eleven o'clock number

[quote] I'm glad Google could tell me what that is.

Don't blame the article. The title of the song is in the rest of the sentence you cut out.

by Anonymousreply 18September 10, 2021 5:13 AM

Poor Amy Adams shat out another turd!

by Anonymousreply 19September 10, 2021 5:20 AM

[quote] I am so sad for all of them, especially Julianne.

Me too. Her life is so arduous.

by Anonymousreply 20September 10, 2021 5:21 AM

R18 I rarely go to musicals so I had never heard of an "eleven o'clock number" before.

But I do go the occasional opera and from now Ill be able to announce that Beethoven gives us an excellent "eleven o'clock number".

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by Anonymousreply 21September 10, 2021 5:22 AM

My apologies. I thought you meant the name of the song.

by Anonymousreply 22September 10, 2021 5:23 AM

Now the reviewers are just being mean:

[quote] Undoubtedly one of the worst movie-musicals ever made. Overwrought and emotionless at the same time, insensitive towards trauma and mental illness, and out of touch with reality. Jail to everyone.

[quote] And while there is some good acting here — Julianne Moore, Amandla Stenberg, and Kaitlyn Dever, in particular — the rest of the cast feels like they’re in a competition of who can ugly cry the most.

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by Anonymousreply 23September 10, 2021 5:37 AM

R21 Fidelio is Beethoven’s only opera so I’m not sure how often you’ll be able to use your 11 o ‘clock line... I don’t think that opera is even in that many repertoires

by Anonymousreply 24September 10, 2021 5:52 AM

Poor Julianne- yet another flop

Same for Amy Adams

by Anonymousreply 25September 10, 2021 5:55 AM

[quote]The trailer was released without much fanfare.

Do DL threads with 385 posts not count as fanfare??

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by Anonymousreply 26September 10, 2021 5:58 AM

Next up: a musical of Robin Williams' film, "World's Greatest Dad", but isn't that already "Dear Evan Hansen"?

by Anonymousreply 27September 10, 2021 5:59 AM

YAAAAS this pleases gaga

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by Anonymousreply 28September 10, 2021 6:14 AM
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by Anonymousreply 29September 10, 2021 6:14 AM
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by Anonymousreply 30September 10, 2021 6:16 AM

R6 Plus ugly. He looks like Julia Sweeney as Pat.

by Anonymousreply 31September 10, 2021 6:18 AM
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by Anonymousreply 32September 10, 2021 6:18 AM
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by Anonymousreply 33September 10, 2021 6:19 AM

If they had done this with cute actual teenaged actors, it might have been a modest success.

Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 34September 10, 2021 6:22 AM

[quote] “I think the reaction is largely from people who don’t understand the context of the piece — the fact that I created the role and workshopped it for three years,” Platt said.

[quote]“Were I not to do the movie, it probably wouldn’t get made,” he continued. “And so, I think, my defensive response is to want to go onto Twitter and be like, ‘F you, guys. You don’t even know that this wouldn’t exist without me.’ Of course, that’s not true entirely and not my place to say. All I have to do is let the work speak for itself.”

Wow what an asshole.

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by Anonymousreply 35September 10, 2021 7:45 AM

I've had sufficient about movies with spiralling white lies about friendship.

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by Anonymousreply 36September 10, 2021 8:11 AM

R35 = Bens dad looks and sounds like an old queen too.

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by Anonymousreply 37September 10, 2021 8:20 AM

Anybody who had to look up 11 o'clock number should just get the hell off of DL.

by Anonymousreply 38September 10, 2021 8:24 AM

Next thing you know they'll have to look up coup de theatre.

by Anonymousreply 39September 10, 2021 8:32 AM

I have never heard the term '11 o'clock number' either.

I'm disappointed this seems to be a miss, I really want to see the stage version but haven't had the opportunity and I thought this was going to be a decent substitute - sounds like I'd be better holding out for the stage version so the film doesn't put me off entirely.

by Anonymousreply 40September 10, 2021 8:49 AM

Twitter is on fire

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by Anonymousreply 41September 10, 2021 9:42 AM
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by Anonymousreply 42September 10, 2021 9:42 AM
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by Anonymousreply 43September 10, 2021 9:44 AM

Can shittywood stop trying to make the fug imp happen yet?

by Anonymousreply 44September 10, 2021 10:07 AM

From what I can tell from the preview, Ben Platt looks like a 17 year-old.

A 17 year-old burn victim post-surgery.

by Anonymousreply 45September 10, 2021 12:23 PM

Oh. I thought this was about a gay boy.

by Anonymousreply 46September 10, 2021 12:23 PM

I don't go to musicals or operas so I had never heard about "the 11 o'clock number" before either. No need to be so hoity-toity, you Follies fat fart, just be generous with your knowledge, please.

by Anonymousreply 47September 10, 2021 12:38 PM

"If they had done this with cute actual teenaged actors, it might have been a modest success. Maybe."

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by Anonymousreply 48September 10, 2021 12:38 PM

Excuse my ignorance but why is Twitter so gleefully celebrating the bad reviews?

by Anonymousreply 49September 10, 2021 12:47 PM

Gawd, look at the picture in the OP. Julianne Moore has the worst profile ever--flat face and no chin.

by Anonymousreply 50September 10, 2021 12:55 PM

Largely schadenfreude due to the producer casting his own son in the role which he very obviously aged out of, as well as Ben Platt’s arrogant and defiant public statements about his casting.

by Anonymousreply 51September 10, 2021 12:58 PM

Why was OP’s reviewer surprised that they shoehorned in a new song, everyone knows that’s the only way to get a best song nomination from a transfer Broadway to film movie?

by Anonymousreply 52September 10, 2021 1:00 PM

Dear Evan Hansen is Hollywood’s newest entry on the road to reviving the musical genre. The Broadway musical by musicians and lyricist Benj Pasek and Justin Paul is coming to the big screen via Universal to see if it can capitalize on general audience approval.

So how does the film, which opened the Toronto Film Festival on Thursday night, stack up against the stage adaptation? Well, it stands closer to Rob Marshall’s Into the Woods (an adaptation of a Broadway play), meaning it’s terrible. Dear Evan Hansen could have been enjoyable, but there are too many glaring problems that can’t be ignored for the sake of entertainment.

The Broadway musical is popular among theatergoers, as many found it relatable to people who consider themselves outcasts with little to no support. The show won several Tony Awards for the actors and the production. Still, it is an irreparably problematic piece of work that manipulates the audience by forcing them to feel sympathy for a pathological liar whose own mental illness is exploited. To top it all off, Evan is forgiven by everyone around him and sees no real consequences for his actions just because they can understand where he’s coming from?! This story is complete madness from beginning to end, but at least the actors can sing.

Dear Evan Hansen is an exercise in restraint. You either want to scream at the screen or shrink down in your chair from suffering secondhand embarrassment from these characters and their actions. The story is convinced it’s making a bold statement about mental illness, finding community and class structures, but it feels inauthentic and shallow. Connor is being exploited from beyond the grave and doesn’t choose about being on the receiving end. This film won’t inspire empathy or sympathy but disdain and indifference.

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by Anonymousreply 53September 10, 2021 1:21 PM

"forcing them to feel sympathy for a pathological liar whose own mental illness is exploited. To top it all off, Evan is forgiven by everyone around him and sees no real consequences for his actions just because they can understand where he’s coming from?! "

Exactly the reason I loathed it on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 54September 10, 2021 1:23 PM

I never miss a Danny Pino musical.

by Anonymousreply 55September 10, 2021 1:26 PM

Did Connor kill himself because he’s gay? Does his father get to say “I love my dead gay son?”

by Anonymousreply 56September 10, 2021 1:30 PM

Connor was raped by Evan’s father, who had a second family that lived in a funeral home where the mother hallucinates that her dead son is now a teenager who has to got to hell to get his girlfriend back.

by Anonymousreply 57September 10, 2021 1:44 PM

R57 Liar, that’s the award winning musical Next to Fun Home!

by Anonymousreply 58September 10, 2021 1:46 PM

So the kid kill himself after reading Evan's letter to himself?

by Anonymousreply 59September 10, 2021 1:46 PM

Ben Platt is so ugly but I just want to eat him up still.

by Anonymousreply 60September 10, 2021 1:50 PM

R56 Connor was revealed to be bisexual in the novel adaptation of the play, but that wasn't why he killed himself.

by Anonymousreply 61September 10, 2021 2:20 PM

R60 Shut up Noah and go back to scrolling on GrindR.

by Anonymousreply 62September 10, 2021 2:56 PM

[quote]“And so, I think, my defensive response is to want to go onto Twitter and be like, ‘F you, guys. You don’t even know that this wouldn’t exist without me.’ Of course, that’s not true entirely and not my place to say. All I have to do is let the work speak for itself.”

I need to remember this clever technique to *not* say something embarrassing.

All you have to do is tell an interviewer what you want to say that is arrogant and obnoxious--word by word--get that published and then say you'd never actually say those words.

Got it.

by Anonymousreply 63September 10, 2021 3:15 PM

I can’t figure how to link it as I’m on my phone but there are red carpet photos of the lovely Julianne Moore at the Toronto Film Festival on the Daily Fail today and she looks like she’s gone the full Nicole Kidman with her face. Hopefully it will settle. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 64September 10, 2021 3:22 PM

I'm sure Platt's words will motivate everyone to want to see the film.

by Anonymousreply 65September 10, 2021 3:23 PM

The quintessential eleven o'clock number:

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by Anonymousreply 66September 10, 2021 3:27 PM

[quote] Does his father get to say “I love my dead gay son?"

No, his father gets to SING it. At 11:00.

by Anonymousreply 67September 10, 2021 4:40 PM

Today it would be the 9:50 song.

by Anonymousreply 68September 10, 2021 5:22 PM

I usually like nerdy Jewish but Platt is a hard pass.

by Anonymousreply 69September 10, 2021 5:24 PM

That would be Rose's Turn, r66.

by Anonymousreply 70September 10, 2021 5:29 PM

I love how they plopped that wig on his head and shaved his arms and thought, yeah, looks like 15 to me!

One reviewer said Platt didn’t know how to make his performance smaller, and that it looks bizarre alongside the other performances.

by Anonymousreply 71September 10, 2021 6:24 PM

They should have aged the characters up a bit.

by Anonymousreply 72September 10, 2021 6:26 PM

R70 Both have music by Jule Styne.

by Anonymousreply 73September 10, 2021 6:45 PM

[quote]when social outcast Alana (Amandla Stenberg, operating in a different, probably better, film)

I love that line.

by Anonymousreply 74September 10, 2021 6:48 PM

Ben Platt cannot act, end of story. He may have a very good voice, but he has zero acting talent. When I saw him in DEH onstage I was open-mouthed at how awful his performance was. I've since seen him on film and he's just as terrible.

by Anonymousreply 75September 10, 2021 7:01 PM

R75 Oh I'm sure you'd be much better

by Anonymousreply 76September 10, 2021 7:13 PM

He's certainly not a cute kid in those videos of Mame and SOM. You could probably find just as equally talented children who are much more appealing in their presence. If he were an adult you would ask who did he sleep with to get that job? Then you'd realize with that mug he wouldn't even have a job.

by Anonymousreply 77September 10, 2021 7:14 PM

[quote] [R75] Oh I'm sure you'd be much better

What kind of stupid response is that? I'm not an actor. But then I've no ambition to be one nor am I being paid to be one.

by Anonymousreply 78September 10, 2021 7:19 PM

[quote]I love how they plopped that wig on his head and shaved his arms and thought, yeah, looks like 15 to me!

It's worse, it's his own hair and his own decision to grow it out for the movie.

by Anonymousreply 79September 10, 2021 7:23 PM

They rushed to do this film before Platt gets even older and now the property is severely damaged.

by Anonymousreply 80September 10, 2021 7:24 PM

I wonder if this will damage the show. Or if the Hansenites will just retcon it.

by Anonymousreply 81September 10, 2021 7:25 PM

[quote]The Broadway musical is popular among theatergoers, as many found it relatable to people who consider themselves outcasts with little to no support.

Is that what the average theatergoer is like, now? No wonder shows suck so much.

by Anonymousreply 82September 10, 2021 7:26 PM

Vulture review - also brutal.

[quote]What’s disturbing about Dear Evan Hansen is not just that the 27-year-old Platt is unbelievable as someone ten years younger. It’s that all the film’s efforts to transform him into a plausible teenager have the reverse effect of making the character of Evan Hansen appear to be somewhere in his mid-40s. When he gets up onstage for the second act’s big musical number, I wasn’t sure if he was going to memorialize his dead classmate or speak on the importance of 401(k) matching.

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by Anonymousreply 83September 10, 2021 7:27 PM

Is that fat chick from the Monica Lewinsky thing in this also?

by Anonymousreply 84September 10, 2021 7:28 PM

Fun fact, this film is written and directed by the screenwriter of the Rent film.

by Anonymousreply 85September 10, 2021 7:29 PM

Thirsty as fuck an Oscar: they jettisoned four songs from the show and added two new ones for the movie.

by Anonymousreply 86September 10, 2021 7:29 PM

Indiewire piling on.

[quote]Platt’s hunched-over, sad-eyed physicality is constantly and overtly pronounced. It unnecessarily draws more attention to the fact that a 27-year-old is playing a teenager. Platt’s larger-than-life affectations may have worked well for the stage so the audience can see Evan’s intense social anxiety, but on screen, Platt’s darting eyes are far too creepy to portray the shy, kind teenager the audience wants to root for.

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by Anonymousreply 87September 10, 2021 7:30 PM

"FOR an Oscar."

by Anonymousreply 88September 10, 2021 7:30 PM

You know one of the songs will be nominated because Amandla Stenberg is a co-writer and the Wokescars love that shit.

by Anonymousreply 89September 10, 2021 7:31 PM

[quote]*This article originally claimed that Ben Platt’s Dear Evan Hansen haircut was a wig. It is, astoundingly, his own hair.

Oh, snap!

by Anonymousreply 90September 10, 2021 7:32 PM

That’s his hair? Wow. It really looks like a ridiculous wig (like the one Martin Short wears on Only Murders in the Building).

by Anonymousreply 91September 10, 2021 7:35 PM

Strangely, it's not very unusual for a 27 year old (or older) to play a teenager, it happens on TV shows a lot. Some actors in 13 Reasons Why were in their late 20s and 30s playing teens, but they were believable. This guy just has an old face, even on stage he did.

by Anonymousreply 92September 10, 2021 7:43 PM

Stockard Channing owns this thread.

by Anonymousreply 93September 10, 2021 7:52 PM

Vanity Fair:

[quote]The real trouble of Platt’s performance, though, is that he doesn’t dial down for the camera. He maintains nearly all of his stage work’s highly articulated tics—Evan’s hunched gait and wiggling hands, his stammered speech patterns—which played fine from many yards back in a theater, but are too mannered on film. He sticks out among his more screen-seasoned cast mates, as if his Broadway performance was simply video captured and, through CGI magic, bizarrely aged up and digitally inserted into everyone else’s littler, humbler movie.

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by Anonymousreply 94September 10, 2021 8:08 PM

Little White Lies - hmm, I'm sensing a theme to these reviews

[quote]The depths of failure here are difficult to overstate, beginning with bringing Platt back to the role he originated on stage despite his age. A choice whose wrongness should have been obvious on sight alone – or a screen test at the very least – but only gets worse given the style of performance. Costumed like a geeky middle-schooler from the ’80s in a manner only a Broadway audience could find convincing, Platt attempts to appear teenaged and awkward in outright theatrical style, hunching his back, clutching his limbs, walking and running with stiltedness turned to eleven. It might be a less bizarre approach if everyone else in the film were so heightened, but instead Chbosky has roped in the likes of Amy Adams, Julianne Moore, Kaitlyn Dever and Amandla Stenberg to ground it all in indie-realism, like a musical version of his 2012 teen drama The Perks of Being a Wallflower.

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by Anonymousreply 95September 10, 2021 8:09 PM

So many of the reviews I've read have talked about how bad the story is, and are basically shocked they didn't reframe it to be more critical of Evan. But I guess that would mean daddy's lil boy would've had to change his performance, and can't be having that.

I'm loving how upset he looks in the red carpet photos

by Anonymousreply 96September 10, 2021 8:11 PM

[quote]Strangely, it's not very unusual for a 27 year old (or older) to play a teenager, it happens on TV shows a lot. Some actors in 13 Reasons Why were in their late 20s and 30s playing teens, but they were believable.

Also, IIRC, most of the kids on "Fame" back in the '80s were in their 20s.

by Anonymousreply 97September 10, 2021 8:30 PM

I saw the show from the middle of the 2nd row on Broadway and was shocked by how broad and ridiculous his gestures and facial expressions were. He was indicating like crazy and doing a really poor impression of what he thought someone with massive OCD would be like. It was a laughable performance. I can't imagine how ridiculous he must look on camera.

by Anonymousreply 98September 10, 2021 8:38 PM

I never saw DEH on Broadway, so don't know much about it other than I was shocked to hear the title character isn't gay.

by Anonymousreply 99September 10, 2021 8:41 PM

R83 He looks like a jewish woman made up to look like a mentally slow 55 year old man with the most hideous cheap wig. All that is a missing is a bike helmet. How did they not see this?

by Anonymousreply 100September 10, 2021 8:53 PM

Are you suggesting that Joyce Carol Oates should have played the title role?

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by Anonymousreply 101September 10, 2021 8:56 PM

I liked it better when it was titled "The Sorrows of Young Werther."

by Anonymousreply 102September 10, 2021 8:59 PM

Do you think Noah is texting him right now saying that they need to talk?

by Anonymousreply 103September 10, 2021 9:04 PM

I love the stage show. I saw two different leads on the national tour (one year apart) and they were both far superior to Ben Platt from both a singing and acting perspective. When I saw Ben perform on the Tonys, I couldn't believe how weird it was watching him perform. In a musical, you don't act like you're singing; you are just presenting dialogue and advancing the story and HAPPEN to be singing. Ben was doing all sort of facial tics that were centered on presenting the singing. He looked like Joe Cocker, for the love of God.

by Anonymousreply 104September 10, 2021 9:05 PM

[quote]I liked it better when it was titled "The Sorrows of Young Werther."

Is he sad because of a bad batch of caramels?

by Anonymousreply 105September 10, 2021 9:16 PM

Oh, this thread is destined to become a classic.

by Anonymousreply 106September 10, 2021 9:33 PM

What does BP mean when he says “workshopped the role”? I’m not a theatre aficionado so excuse my ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 107September 10, 2021 9:38 PM

Workshops are basically trial run mini productions of plays or musicals as part of the development phase to see what might be working or not before going on to the much more costly full production phase.

by Anonymousreply 108September 10, 2021 10:10 PM

Will this beat CATS for Broadway to movie bombs?

by Anonymousreply 109September 10, 2021 10:11 PM

Thank you, R 108. Who views the workshops? Are there actual audiences?

by Anonymousreply 110September 10, 2021 10:17 PM

Yes, though due to their nature the audiences tend to be made up of theatre obsessives who, once the show has a proper opening, will endlessly bang on about how they saw it in workshop and how it was much better then...

by Anonymousreply 111September 10, 2021 10:21 PM

Ben Platt is the new Lea Michele. "Wouldn't get made without me" indeed.

One review mentioned that his career is in the stratosphere. Really?? Did people actually buy that whiny, plaintive, navel-gazing CD of his? I did notice he has a new one. Yuck.

by Anonymousreply 112September 10, 2021 10:56 PM

Did his new CD go Platt-inum?

by Anonymousreply 113September 10, 2021 11:00 PM

Hilarious how Fangurls everywhere defy the carping about Platt's age by invoking GREASE!. Um, (1) that was basically a frothy, retro comedy, and (2) EVERYBODY was "too old."

by Anonymousreply 114September 10, 2021 11:32 PM

[quote] hate that people will take the film version's failure as evidence that no one wants to see new musicals.

I don’t think musicals as a genre are going to bear the brunt of this, everyone seems pretty clear that this specific musical is the problem.

by Anonymousreply 115September 10, 2021 11:43 PM

From Twitter:

Joe Biden just said everyone who doesn’t get vaccinated is required to see Dear Evan Hansen in theatres.

by Anonymousreply 116September 10, 2021 11:53 PM

Also Twitter

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by Anonymousreply 117September 10, 2021 11:56 PM

R109 I don't pay much attention to Andrew Lloyd Webber that I get the impression he's being been 'workshopping' musicals for the last 15 years but none of them have had a full production.

by Anonymousreply 118September 10, 2021 11:59 PM

[quote] [R75] Oh I'm sure you'd be much better

Wow, there's a brilliant retort.

by Anonymousreply 119September 11, 2021 12:12 AM

I hope Ben Platt never does another musical. Let him give concerts to half-empty arenas.

by Anonymousreply 120September 11, 2021 12:29 AM

Show us where he hurt you.

by Anonymousreply 121September 11, 2021 12:32 AM

Here's a clip of the cast getting a standing ovation after the film premiered at TIFF. They had to be hopeful that the reviews would be as good as this audience reception.

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by Anonymousreply 122September 11, 2021 12:33 AM

Dear God. It looks like "Strangers With Candy: The Musical".

by Anonymousreply 123September 11, 2021 12:41 AM

Daddy! You were supposed to buy me good press! Did AO Scott get the Edible Arrangement you said your secretary sent?

by Anonymousreply 124September 11, 2021 1:02 AM

So, guess he wasn’t waving, but drowning.

by Anonymousreply 125September 11, 2021 1:05 AM

It seems the lead is only be played by gay men which is one of the reasons you think the character is gay.

by Anonymousreply 126September 11, 2021 1:12 AM

R112 Yes, and timed with the film release for maximum promo. He's lucky his daddy is the producer, as shit like that gets non-related producers pretty angry.

R126 There've been a couple who aren't gay (Sam Tutty, Andrew Barth Feldman), or at least who aren't out.

by Anonymousreply 127September 11, 2021 1:16 AM

😂😂😂

by Anonymousreply 128September 11, 2021 1:17 AM

Good news for my general disdain for Ben Platt

by Anonymousreply 129September 11, 2021 1:17 AM

[quote]I saw the show from the middle of the 2nd row on Broadway and was shocked by how broad and ridiculous his gestures and facial expressions were. He was indicating like crazy and doing a really poor impression of what he thought someone with massive OCD would be like. It was a laughable performance. I can't imagine how ridiculous he must look on camera.

I saw the musical when it came to Toronto where it bombed hard - maybe there's a theme here.

Couldn't believe that's what the rhapsodizing was about, people tweeting they were sobbing throughout the show, canonizing Ben Platt, etc.. The TO lead was an OK nothing special singer so I looked up bootlegs to see how Platt did.

I was stunned by the stammering, the nonstop sniveling, all the exaggerated body ticks. He was constantly 'wiping' his nose in is sleeve like a kinder-gardener! Talk about overkill. If they didn't tone it substantially down for the movie, he and the director deserve all the panning they're getting.

by Anonymousreply 130September 11, 2021 2:11 AM

Looking just a tad old

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by Anonymousreply 131September 11, 2021 2:35 AM

A film festival standing ovation means nothing especially when it's any kind of gala premiere with stars in attendance. All of the local naboobs who paid big bucks to be there adore handing out standing o's to celebs.

If a film at a big gala DOESN'T get any kind of ovation, is when you need to be VERY concerned.

by Anonymousreply 132September 11, 2021 3:03 AM
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by Anonymousreply 134September 11, 2021 3:14 AM

^ Nice veneers! He must have wealthy parents.

by Anonymousreply 135September 11, 2021 3:14 AM

These are some of the most delicious bad reviews I've read since Cats came out

by Anonymousreply 136September 11, 2021 3:20 AM

Keep in mind that the audiences at TIFF this year are at 60% or so capacity because of COVID rules.

by Anonymousreply 137September 11, 2021 3:22 AM

Ben Platt… you have been found…wanting.

by Anonymousreply 138September 11, 2021 3:23 AM

The Jar Jar comment has got to hurt.

by Anonymousreply 139September 11, 2021 3:26 AM

Unpopular opinion, but from the posted photos I think he could pass as a high school student. I predict younger audiences will love the film and be more forgiving of its flaws.

by Anonymousreply 140September 11, 2021 3:58 AM

R140 You have cataracts, right?

by Anonymousreply 141September 11, 2021 4:00 AM

Actual teenagers are fairly astute at recognizing non-teens. And they are fairly brutal about calling them out.

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by Anonymousreply 142September 11, 2021 4:07 AM

he he he, this is all just delicious.

by Anonymousreply 143September 11, 2021 4:09 AM

There's not enough young theater nerds out there to make this movie a hit..

by Anonymousreply 144September 11, 2021 4:10 AM

Will this bomb harder than The Goldfinch?

by Anonymousreply 145September 11, 2021 4:38 AM

THR's review is fairly positive, at least compared to some of the others:

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by Anonymousreply 146September 11, 2021 4:40 AM

Meanwhile, In the Heights is at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. It will end the year as the best reviewed musical of the year(past several years) and all of you had the nerve to trash it.

Any word on Tick Tick Boom? It's written by the same guy who wrote Rent.

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by Anonymousreply 147September 11, 2021 4:57 AM

R147 Stritchie.......We all saw the film......it is utter shit with no storyline.

by Anonymousreply 148September 11, 2021 5:06 AM

R146’s pic : BEn looks like the guy from Gremlins. Wasn’t the guy in Gremlins supposed to be in high school?

by Anonymousreply 149September 11, 2021 5:10 AM

Both the actors playing against Kelly LeBrock in Weird Science were actually 16 while filming which made it even better then and probably illegal today.

by Anonymousreply 150September 11, 2021 5:17 AM

R149 Ben wishes.

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by Anonymousreply 151September 11, 2021 5:17 AM

Zach Galligan was 20 when he made Gremlins.

by Anonymousreply 152September 11, 2021 5:17 AM

R152 Zach Gilligan was fuckable when he made Gremlins. Ben is.....not.

by Anonymousreply 153September 11, 2021 5:22 AM

Zach Galligan was adorable and fuckable when he was young.

Poor old Ben has never been either of those things.

by Anonymousreply 154September 11, 2021 5:50 AM

[quote] Meanwhile, In the Heights is at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. It will end the year as the best reviewed musical of the year(past several years) and all of you had the nerve to trash it.

In the Heights was a Rottentomatoes review success, and a financial failure at the box office and in terms of HBO Max views. It's financial failure is really important, because it's another strike against movie musicals after the financial and artistic failure of "Cats." If Dear Evan Hansen fails financially, it may make it even harder to bring musicals to the screen.

Only Steven Spielberg can save us now, or more precisely, this December.

by Anonymousreply 155September 11, 2021 5:52 AM

It sounds as though the film of "Cats" was more entertaining, in a horror movie sort of way.

by Anonymousreply 156September 11, 2021 5:56 AM

Wicked is also on its way. 2023 maybe?

by Anonymousreply 157September 11, 2021 6:01 AM

Well, West Side Story is going to flop because the music is not contemporary or commercial. The only recent musicals that have been successful were Mamma Mia and The Greatest Showman because they had commercial music they could push. Are Bohemian Rhapsody and A Star is Born considered musicals? Both of those films were wildly successful because of the contemporary music.

The only Broadway film musical that has the potential to smash today is Wicked. That show has a huge fanbase and the music is contemporary enough for today's audiences. There really is no other Broadway show with that kind of potential for success.

by Anonymousreply 158September 11, 2021 6:02 AM

[quote] Wicked. That show … is contemporary enough for today's audiences.

Who do you think should get the starring roles?

by Anonymousreply 159September 11, 2021 6:10 AM

R154 Zach at nearly 60 is still more fuckable than Ben.

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by Anonymousreply 160September 11, 2021 6:12 AM

Man I don’t know what Ben did to piss off the entertainment industry but knives are out. I seriously hope he’s not suicidal

by Anonymousreply 161September 11, 2021 6:19 AM

[quote] Are Bohemian Rhapsody and A Star is Born considered musicals?

Those movies don't suffer the problems of conventional musicals where people suddenly burst into song as some kind of heightened, musical dialogue. In some of the reviews, DEH was criticized for how jarring it was for a character to go from dialogue to the singing with an invisible orchestra. The reviewers appeared to want that fixed in some way? One fix is actually in the movies you cited and in "Cabaret," where all (or much of) the music and singing is in the realistic context of characters performing in musical entertainment jobs. But that fix is very limiting and can't help musicals like DEH or West Side Story.

by Anonymousreply 162September 11, 2021 6:32 AM

Did no human watch the rushes and saw how fucking stupid he looked?

by Anonymousreply 163September 11, 2021 6:32 AM

R158 I agree West Side Story is going to also be a flop

by Anonymousreply 164September 11, 2021 7:10 AM

R164 So. Movie musicals will be killed off, again?

by Anonymousreply 165September 11, 2021 7:21 AM

R164 That was destined to be a flop when they cast Ansel fucking Elgort (and some unknown boring girl as Maria) like this was destined to fail when they cast 45 year old Ben as a high schooler.

by Anonymousreply 166September 11, 2021 7:22 AM

R166 I am NOT 45.

by Anonymousreply 167September 11, 2021 7:24 AM

In some of the photos Platt looks like a 60-year-old Lisa Kudrow with a bad wig.

by Anonymousreply 168September 11, 2021 8:43 AM

r161 it seems like a sort of Pia Zamora situation. The kid actually has some talent, but the fact that a relative with money is bankrolling the career makes everyone pissed.

by Anonymousreply 169September 11, 2021 11:58 AM

Zadora! auto-correct doesn't like Zadora.

by Anonymousreply 170September 11, 2021 11:58 AM

so what will this likely megaflop do to the return of the show itself in these tenuous theatre times? There are at least three productions slated to come back to the stage. In the past, good movies seems to have helped their live shows (Chicago), and bad movies sometimes hurt them. In this case, so much of the criticism seems to be about the material itself (cavalier treatment of mental illness and a 'hero' who actually has no ethics) - and not just bad moviemaking - I wonder if it may truly hurt the show.

by Anonymousreply 171September 11, 2021 12:02 PM

r126 Jordan fisher is straight and he had just started on Broadway and will be starring when it returns

by Anonymousreply 172September 11, 2021 12:02 PM

R133 He couldn't even be bothered to shave for his big premiere?

R161 Likely it was when they saw the reaction to the trailer, but I do like to think it was the pissy interview Ben gave after which did it.

by Anonymousreply 173September 11, 2021 1:45 PM

At least Ben has season 3 of The Politician lined up! Oh, wait, Netflix doesn't want any more seasons of that flop...

by Anonymousreply 174September 11, 2021 1:58 PM

This is going to be a lesson that will be shared on Broadway for generations.

by Anonymousreply 175September 11, 2021 2:06 PM

What a real teenager looks like.

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by Anonymousreply 176September 11, 2021 2:09 PM

"This is going to be a lesson that will be shared on Broadway for generations."

Don't cast your geriatric kid in a teen role?

by Anonymousreply 177September 11, 2021 2:10 PM

Not everyone gets to be Barbra.

by Anonymousreply 178September 11, 2021 2:13 PM

I shall never understand the weird process by which a body with a voice suddenly fancies itself as a mind. Just when exactly does an actress decide they're HER words she's saying, and HER thoughts she's expressing?

—All About Eve

by Anonymousreply 179September 11, 2021 2:19 PM

Jordan Fisher is only 7 months younger than Ben Platt.

by Anonymousreply 180September 11, 2021 2:23 PM

[quote] Are you suggesting that Joyce Carol Oates should have played the title role?

She's Catholic, not Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 181September 11, 2021 4:13 PM

Why do people care what critics think? I don't read reviews. Every movie, every TV show, every Broadway show I ever saw was simply because I wanted to. Some I had zero idea what I was about to see, some were fabulous, many not, but I have never regretted any.

by Anonymousreply 182September 11, 2021 4:20 PM

Well this should be a new experience for you. Some of us don’t have infinite amounts of time and money to devote to seeing everything we want to. We have to prioritize.because many of us with discerning taste do regret spending $100 and 3 hours or even $10 and two hours on say the August Osage County movie.

Often, a review will even excite me to see something I had no interest in like the Come from Away.

by Anonymousreply 183September 11, 2021 4:30 PM

Well, it always was, wasn't it? Wasn't its success pretty much just one sub-generation that wanted something like Wicked to call their own?

by Anonymousreply 184September 11, 2021 4:38 PM

Not having seen it is it supposed to be misery porn or up lifting, I get both vibes from what I’ve read?

by Anonymousreply 185September 11, 2021 4:50 PM

Both. It’s not Catcher in the Rye but it’s more than after school special. At least it was in the theater production where the adults had real roles.

by Anonymousreply 186September 11, 2021 4:53 PM

Does Next to Normal have a lot to answer for DEH, it seems like the YA version?

by Anonymousreply 187September 11, 2021 5:06 PM

I liked NEXT TO NORMAL but it trivializes and distorts the main character's mental illness in rather troubling ways. I don't think DEH comes close to that: the adolescent title character is somewhere on the autism spectrum (it's left vague) but mostly poorly socially adjusted. Not much else is made of his actual illness or treatment.

The score for DEH is vastly more accomplished and interesting than NEXT TO NORMAL, as far as I'm concerned.

by Anonymousreply 188September 11, 2021 5:21 PM

[quote]August Osage County movie.

After all the acclaim for the play and the stellar casting, that movie was a rancid piece of shit.

Streep was hilariously hammy in it. Mommie Dearest level scenery chewing.

by Anonymousreply 189September 11, 2021 5:36 PM

R179 Actually a good actress (or actor) should make their character's words and thought their own to make a fine performance. Even better, if they can imagine what other thoughts and words they would use as subtext as that character, but use the ones the author or screenwriter wrote as the best choice to actually say (and to keep employed!).

by Anonymousreply 190September 11, 2021 5:58 PM

R182 Professional critics (and also word of mouth, since everyone basically is a critic and has an opinion) do serve sometimes as being helpful as a guide to what you may or may not like. It also depends on what you think of a critic; some folks you might consistently disagree with, so something he/she hates might be just what you might like, and the opposite scenario as well. It serves to possibly save you time and money in choosing amongst lots of offerings.

by Anonymousreply 191September 11, 2021 6:01 PM

You hear the joke about Ben Platt playing Peter Van Daan in a play set in that Annex in Amsterdam but told from Peter’s point of view?

by Anonymousreply 192September 11, 2021 6:04 PM

He's in the attic!

Along with Pia Zadora!

by Anonymousreply 193September 11, 2021 6:05 PM

Does the movie at least add a twist to the ending different from the stage version, he finds out he’s the one dead and not a Connor, something along those lines?

by Anonymousreply 194September 11, 2021 6:08 PM

God, Platt looks so creepy. They clearly used CGI to try to make him look younger; instead he looks like an alien in a bad wig.

I saw the show on Broadway not long after it opened and he already looked too old for the role. A relative worked on the show for a while and has some pretty unflattering stories him. Apparently he was a nightmare for the company manager.

by Anonymousreply 195September 11, 2021 6:12 PM

R195 details, details!

by Anonymousreply 196September 11, 2021 6:14 PM

I’m sure his Dad being producer on the film didn’t make Platt any easier to work with or more receptive constructive criticism.

I wonder how many times the director had to hear “I workshopped this role for three years,”

by Anonymousreply 197September 11, 2021 6:25 PM

May he have Nikki Blonsky's post-Hairspray career.

by Anonymousreply 198September 11, 2021 6:27 PM

Can someone spoilt the ending of the film? I heard it was different from the stage ending. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 199September 11, 2021 6:40 PM

Nikki Blonsky was actually better in the film than Marissa Jaret Winokur on stage, though still not up to Ricki Lake's star quality in the original John Waters film.

by Anonymousreply 200September 11, 2021 6:41 PM

Meanwhile, TV Tracy (Maddie Baillio) is one of the stepsisters in the new "Cinderella."

by Anonymousreply 201September 11, 2021 6:54 PM

R197 At least he got the workshop without having to go through 3 or 4 rounds of auditions at least in front of the creatives and producing team.

by Anonymousreply 202September 11, 2021 6:57 PM

Is this the worst kick to a young performer's cunt ever?

by Anonymousreply 203September 11, 2021 7:00 PM

" In some of the reviews, DEH was criticized for how jarring it was for a character to go from dialogue to the singing with an invisible orchestra."

That's an idiotic criticism as 98% of movie musicals are structured that way. CABARET and the 3 musical versions of A STAR IS BORN are the only exceptions I can think of. If someone has that problem with movie musicals, then that person should just avoid the genre altogether.

I saw DEH on Broadway with Taylor Trensch in the title role. He doesn't have as strong a singing voice as Platt, but he did manage to avoid the kind of annoying plaintiveness that Platt indulges in frequently. I suspect Trensch is a better actor (he was wonderful as Dill Harris in TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD on Broadway - he took over the part from Gideon Glick and was a definite improvement) as he didn't indulge in a lot of physical tics in his performance.

I can see why the reviewers are honing in on the less savory aspects of Hansen's character, as a film is bound to magnify those in a way the stage version could avoid. Clearly writer Steven Levinson wasn't willing to take a hard look at that aspect and the director was no help. And I've seen some photos of Platt from the film where he looks...well, "special."

by Anonymousreply 204September 11, 2021 7:10 PM

The comparison of Platt with Lea Michele is spot on. Both have an outsized sense of entitlement.

by Anonymousreply 205September 11, 2021 7:11 PM

I don't see how he's an more entitled than anyone else. If you had connections, you'd work them for all they're worth, too

by Anonymousreply 206September 11, 2021 7:14 PM

He worked them right out of a career as did Lea.

by Anonymousreply 207September 11, 2021 7:16 PM

Yes, R206. But when you use them in such an obvious way and the results are, well, less good than expected, then you're fair game.

by Anonymousreply 208September 11, 2021 7:20 PM

" In some of the reviews, DEH was criticized for how jarring it was for a character to go from dialogue to the singing with an invisible orchestra."

These have be among the biggest idiots on the planet.

Nobody goes through life accompanied by a John Williams score.

by Anonymousreply 209September 11, 2021 7:23 PM

I remember from a relative years ago hearing about "Henry's Fonda's very untalented daughter". Jane was pretty bad in some of her early films, but she got better. She also got cast in some roles on stage and screen through family connections like Josh Logan, but she didn't have her Daddy financing whole productions for her. Platt has a very good singing voice and has the style -- for certain types of contemporary music, but other times I've seen him hamming up and being indulgent with songs like what he did with from "West Side Story" on some award show. If you're around him and a show with his Daddy, no one's really going to correct him much. Worked for DEH on stage, but apparently people were afraid to tell them he looks almost like an old-age pensioner on screen playing a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 210September 11, 2021 7:24 PM

Lea Michele is definitely a massive bitch, but she didn't have parents who bought her a career. Gotta give her that much.

by Anonymousreply 211September 11, 2021 7:39 PM

Did Lea Michele act out when she was playing the little girl, daughter of Tateh in "Ragtime" on Broadway years ago?

by Anonymousreply 212September 11, 2021 7:43 PM

Did Richard Linklater make a huge mistake by casting Ben and Beanie in his Merrily We Roll Along?

by Anonymousreply 213September 11, 2021 7:45 PM

The movie version of "Chicago" was specifically reframed to avoid any "they're singing for no apparent reason" situations. That also caused them to jettison some songs.

by Anonymousreply 214September 11, 2021 7:47 PM

That worked for "Chicago" for that director, but not for "Nine" or other films. Some folks aren't used to conventions like having people sing out with orchestra, but then again do people have full orchestral musical scores playing during drama or comedies either? They just weren't making musicals with any regularity, the way the studios used to churn them out, from great ones to passable or worse, back in the studio system. But no one really complained about someone breaking out in song, unless the song and/or the performer wasn't good. Most of the time, they were waiting for Deanna Durbin, Judy Garland, Jane Powell, or whoever was starring to sing.

by Anonymousreply 215September 11, 2021 7:52 PM

Couldn't Evan Hansen at least have been attending community college?

by Anonymousreply 216September 11, 2021 8:01 PM

R194/R199 No, though they did change the ending slightly (SPOILERS) that show Evan posting a social media video admitting he made it all up. He also researches Connor, reading all of his favourite books, etc, and finds a video of Connor performing his music, which he shows to Connor's parents as they'd never seen him perform.

by Anonymousreply 217September 11, 2021 8:02 PM

R197 Well, given the kind of shit he thought it was okay to say publicly in that interview, can you imagine what he comes out with in private?

by Anonymousreply 218September 11, 2021 8:03 PM

Ben Platt will play the role forever like Yul Bryner did with King & I!

by Anonymousreply 219September 11, 2021 8:04 PM

R218 combine that with the super bitchy interview Galvin gave a few years ago. They must be a barrel of laughs to double date with.

by Anonymousreply 220September 11, 2021 8:04 PM

Julianne Moore is so clearly at that stage in her career where she's concerned she'll never work again - I mean, does she actually even READ the scripts anymore? How did she (and Amy Adams!) get mixed up in this dreck?

by Anonymousreply 221September 11, 2021 8:04 PM

This from IndieWire talks about the problem of going from dialogue to singing in DEH:

[quote] Awkward, choppy dialogue precedes many of the songs, with some lines being half-dialogue, half-lyric. The first few verses are often more talky than melodic, and while this is a common musical trope, “Dear Evan Hansen” tries very hard to increase the duration before a conversation actually turns into a song or flits between dialogue and song, and these attempts fail. There’s simply no way to blend the two. You either talk or you sing.

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[quote] Indeed, the music is where “Dear Evan Hansen” will likely lose its audience. In the inevitable scene where the truth is found out, “Words Fail” is especially painful to watch, as there are so few uttered words of dialogue preceding it. This makes sense, given the gravitas of the devastating reveal, but it’s a moment better served by long pauses and silence. Instead, the forced melody destroys the emotional weight the scene should have had.

I don't remember that problem with "Words Fail" in the Broadway cast album, so we'll have to wait to see the film. I do remember that he has a fantastic voice.

by Anonymousreply 222September 11, 2021 8:05 PM

Wait until the reviews for West Side Story start coming out...talk about a shitshow.

by Anonymousreply 223September 11, 2021 8:06 PM

The older you make Evan the less forgiving the audience is going to be of his chicanery. He needs to be a minor making mistakes that he can learn from not pathologically damaged.

by Anonymousreply 224September 11, 2021 8:08 PM

Especially when Platt isn't changing his performance. The way he fidgets and tugs at his clothes in the trailer makes him look like he's playing at being a middle schooler.

by Anonymousreply 225September 11, 2021 8:11 PM

[quote]Julianne Moore is so clearly at that stage in her career where she's concerned she'll never work again - I mean, does she actually even READ the scripts anymore? How did she (and Amy Adams!) get mixed up in this dreck?

Because the play was a hit and it sounded like a good bet. I'm sure they didn't know how it would turn out once it was committed to film.

[quote]I don't see how he's an more entitled than anyone else. If you had connections, you'd work them for all they're worth, too

If he or anyone involved with it [bold]really[/bold] cared about the final product he would have/they would have convinced him to step aside. None of the negative reviews with this slant, him being too old, would exist if he had of done so. It's coming back to bite them all in the ass.

As R208 said, the product is suffering because of it so he's going to get the blame.

by Anonymousreply 226September 11, 2021 8:13 PM

The basic plot of some kid profiting emotionally and socially because of all the lies he spews built upon some other kid's suicide is very off-putting. Was it because a lot of it was via the internet and social media that this became such a hit on Broadway?

by Anonymousreply 227September 11, 2021 8:16 PM

R227 That and they should have renamed it Dear Ezra Hoffman.

by Anonymousreply 228September 11, 2021 8:19 PM

The Sound of Music I assume to this day is one of the most popular movies ever made probably even more so in foreign countries and people have no problem with them bursting out in song in dramatic situations.

If it were made today they would cut half the score and only have the songs sung by the family while they were performing to make ignorant critics happy.

by Anonymousreply 229September 11, 2021 8:27 PM

I have a question for people who've seen the play. Evan writes about having a crush on this guy's sister, right? And he dies and they find the note and think he wrote it. Do they assume the dead guy had the hots for his own sister?

by Anonymousreply 230September 11, 2021 8:29 PM

Here's the letter, which should be devastating to Zoe when she thought Connor was the one who wrote it. "...All my hope is pinned on Zoe, who I don’t even know, and doesn’t know me."

Dear Evan Hansen,

Turns out this wasn’t an amazing day after all. This isn’t going to be an amazing week or an amazing year, because why would it be?

I know, because there’s Zoe, and all my hope is pinned on Zoe, who I don’t even know, and doesn’t know me. Maybe if I could just talk to her. Maybe nothing would be different at all. I wish everything was different.

I wish I was part of something. I wish that anything I said mattered to anyone. I mean face it, would anyone notice if I just disappeared tomorrow?

Sincerely,

Your most best, and dearest friend, Me

by Anonymousreply 231September 11, 2021 8:37 PM

[quote]If he or anyone involved with it really cared about the final product he would have/they would have convinced him to step aside. None of the negative reviews with this slant, him being too old, would exist if he had of done so. It's coming back to bite them all in the ass.

Reviews for 'The Politician' also said he looked too old to be playing a high schooler. This was before he signed up for the DEH movie so he/they knew how he comes across on screen. That's what hubris does.

by Anonymousreply 232September 11, 2021 8:43 PM

[QUOTE] The basic plot of some kid profiting emotionally and socially because of all the lies he spews built upon some other kid's suicide is very off-putting

It can be done well. Brilliantly, even.

See “Heathers”

by Anonymousreply 233September 11, 2021 8:44 PM

The songs are good. The characters are well drawn, and sympathetic. The plot is compelling and progresses beautifully. We want to see all these hurt people not hurt anymore.

But it has to be about everyone not just Evan for it to work. Otherwise, the whole thing just degenerates into a narcissist exploiting the grieving, which is what Ben and poppa Platt made it.

They reduced Julianne Moore’s mother role, which should have a been an easy Best Supporting Actress nod. They cut Connor’s Dad’s song which not only gives his character a reason for being but is the culmination of understanding Evan’s pain.

It’s all such a sad waste because Ben is as flawed, self-centered and misguided as Evan. But Ben isn’t 16, bereft of a father and succeeding through no fault of his own. Ben is a grown man failing because of his ego and dragging other people including the whole Evan Hanson industry down with him because he ultimately doesn’t believe in the humanity at the core of the property. Only his own ambition and adulation.

by Anonymousreply 234September 11, 2021 8:44 PM

R233 But that's a satire and a black comedy. DEH is all serious and over the top sentimentality.

by Anonymousreply 235September 11, 2021 8:50 PM

Do celebs and folks in the industry read and post to DL, especially these theater and film boards? Besides places like the trades (Variety, Backstage, Hollywood Reporter) and ATC and Broadwayworld, where else is this kind of stuff (other than fan groups on social media) discussed in a way to get more (relatively) unbiased opinions of what they create?

by Anonymousreply 236September 11, 2021 8:54 PM

Something I found particularly offensive on Broadway -- the whole show seemed to me presented as making some sort of comment on the evils of social media, with the set frequently covered with social media projections and with the Act 1 finale ("You Will Be Found") theoretically rife with irony, since the anthem was about a lie.

And yet Act 2 abandoned this conceit entirely, not even mentioning (IIRC) the slightest social media backlash subsequent to the revelation of the truth. Disgustingly false in every way.

by Anonymousreply 237September 11, 2021 8:59 PM

Why do they have Evan display autistic tendencies but insist he's not. And it never bodes well for a movie musical that runs longer than the stage show yet throws out a bunch of songs. People go to musicals for the music.

by Anonymousreply 238September 11, 2021 10:00 PM

At 60, Julianne Moore is entirely too old to play the mother of a high-school student, no matter how youthful she looks (or how youthful Ben doesn't). I agree that she's miscast.

by Anonymousreply 239September 11, 2021 10:40 PM

R239 In Op’s photo I do not see a mother and her 17 year old high school son I see a lesbian couple in their living room.

by Anonymousreply 240September 11, 2021 10:47 PM

"At 60, Julianne Moore is entirely too old to play the mother of a high-school student, no matter how youthful she looks (or how youthful Ben doesn't). I agree that she's miscast."

So says the 70-year old gay man wearing Abercrombie & Fitch while watching Amazon's "Cinderella".

by Anonymousreply 241September 11, 2021 10:51 PM

Is that what it’s called “Amazon’s Cinderella?”

by Anonymousreply 242September 11, 2021 11:00 PM

[quote] I remember from a relative years ago hearing about "Henry's Fonda's very untalented daughter". Jane was pretty bad in some of her early films, but she got better. She also got cast in some roles on stage and screen through family connections like Josh Logan

She was so inept in this movie they had to cut 20 minutes of her footage. So the missing 20 minutes were replaced with 20 minutes of out-takes showing Angela Lansbury walking down stairs and Angela Lansbury riding in cars and walking along corridors.

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by Anonymousreply 243September 11, 2021 11:06 PM

R115 remember In the Heights advertised as the movie event of the summer which died at the BO in late spring?

by Anonymousreply 244September 11, 2021 11:17 PM

[quote]The movie version of "Chicago" was specifically reframed to avoid any "they're singing for no apparent reason" situations.

I wonder if this is also what hurt the movie version of "Rent" -- i.e., people living in terrible situations yet bursting out into song? Or was that simply just a case of the story feeling too dated?

by Anonymousreply 245September 11, 2021 11:21 PM

La La Land was a hit and audiences enjoyed the impromptu singing and dancing. Musicals aren’t dead.

by Anonymousreply 246September 11, 2021 11:37 PM

I refused to see La La Land because it's pure plagiarism.

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by Anonymousreply 247September 11, 2021 11:40 PM

How fucking retarded are people that they can't handle the conceit of a film musical? They've been doing this successfully since sound first hit the movies. The first sound film was a musical. If there's a problem, it's not coming from the musicals.

by Anonymousreply 248September 12, 2021 12:49 AM

[quote]How fucking retarded are people that they can't handle the conceit of a film musical?

Tastes and expectations have changed. Movie musicals were once as common as movie westerns. "South Pacific," a conventional filming (except for the stupid color filters) of a hit R&H musical was the top-grossing movie of 1958. As recently as the '60s, the movie of "The Sound of Music" was such an enormous success that studios were looking for more Broadway musicals to film, even reaching as far back as the 1940s' to make films of shows such as "FInian's Rainbow" and "Paint Your Wagon." But many of those 1960s "road show" movie musicals bombed, and film musicals quickly fell out of favor. By 1972, "Cabaret" was hailed as a breakthrough movie musical precisely because the characters didn't suddenly burst into song. That's all well and good for musicals that happened to be set in a cabaret. The movie of "Chicago" followed the "Cabaret" template, even cutting the song "Class" because it was two characters singing "in real life." I don't think it's possible to turn back the clock and change people's expectations.

by Anonymousreply 249September 12, 2021 1:05 AM

Oh bullshit. Into the Woods, Les Miserables, Phantom of the Opera, Sweeney Todd, The Greatest SHowman, La La Land, Moulin Rouge, Dreamgirls, Enchanted, The High School Musical series, Hairspray, Mamma Mia and its sequel, all of these films were 21st century musicals that did well at the box office and featured people breaking into song. You have no idea what you're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 250September 12, 2021 1:12 AM

People haven't grown up seeing Grease, The Sound of Music, or The Wizard of Oz? Really? We have 30 year olds going to the movie who've never seen a music video or a movie where people sing? Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. If people don't like musicals, they don't like musicals but its not because audiences just aren't used to them. Hell, we've had musical TV series, people burst out in song in commercials, and both movies and TV series spoof musicals. If someone is that culturally illiterate, so be it, but I find it hard to believe the movie going public is so stupid that seeing characters erupt into song mystified them or confuses them. I don't expect them to know some obscure films but surely they've seen The Wizard of Oz and learned from a young age that yes, there are movies in which characters burst out into song.

by Anonymousreply 251September 12, 2021 1:14 AM

Platt in DEH is Lucy in Mame.

by Anonymousreply 252September 12, 2021 1:25 AM

[quote]I find it hard to believe the movie going public is so stupid that seeing characters erupt into song mystified them or confuses them.

And yet we have professional film critics saying that one of the problems with "Dear Evan Hansen" is how jarring it is when its characters suddenly burst into song, accompanied by an orchestra.

by Anonymousreply 253September 12, 2021 1:32 AM

No, what they're saying is the way the director and writers handled it is jarring. Read the reviews. They aren't condemning the conceit, they are condemning the execution.

by Anonymousreply 254September 12, 2021 1:38 AM

[quote]You hear the joke about Ben Platt playing Peter Van Daan in a play set in that Annex in Amsterdam but told from Peter’s point of view?

The joke is that they wanted to cast his friend Beanie Feldstein as Anne and Peter tells her that Auschwitz will be a great place to shed a few of those excess pounds.

by Anonymousreply 255September 12, 2021 1:41 AM

On the transition from dialogue to singing in DEH, here's a very favorable review of the movie and Ben's performance that still points out some issues with how it is handled in parts of the movie.

[quote] Rather than turning on a spotlight, so to speak, to differentiate the music from the speaking scenes, (director) Chbosky fuses them together. Sometimes that dressed-down method is off-putting, and other times it’s inspired and confrontational, particularly in the second half when Evan’s life begins to crumble.

[quote] However, while a string of ballads for 2½ hours can soar onstage, they can sag a film. A few songs have been cut, and a couple decent pieces have been added, mainly for Amandla Stenberg who plays a girl who starts a fund-raising campaign after the suicide of Connor (Colton Ryan). Still, there are unquestionably too many musical numbers here. Many would be more effective as spoken dialogue.

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by Anonymousreply 256September 12, 2021 1:56 AM

R231 thank you. That was driving me nuts. I would hear about the plot, and that point was unclear.

by Anonymousreply 257September 12, 2021 2:00 AM

[quote]Oh bullshit. Into the Woods, Les Miserables, Phantom of the Opera, Sweeney Todd, The Greatest SHowman, La La Land, Moulin Rouge, Dreamgirls, Enchanted, The High School Musical series, Hairspray, Mamma Mia and its sequel, all of these films were 21st century musicals that did well at the box office and featured people breaking into song.

They are all 21st-century musicals that did well at the box office BUT they didn't all come out at the same time in history. Compare the number of musicals released vs. the amount that are not released and this number is almost minuscule. This makes it sound like there have been a ton of musicals that featured this and the truth is there aren't that many musicals that get made into films. Furthermore, a few of these are classics that far surpass any level of fame that Dear Evan Hansen did.

R254 and the critics nailed it, it's often not about "breaking into song" as it is about "breaking into song" at the appropriate time in a way that isn't jarring. If you're watching a movie musical where this happens you can usually pinpoint when it will because it seems appropriate. When you can't do that, it's distracting.

To circle back, the issue isn't that people don't get musicals it's that they're not often done very well to the point where they're regularly seen on television or in film. For all of the ones mentioned that did well there are ones like Cats, Nine, Rock of Ages and From Justin to Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 258September 12, 2021 2:46 AM

Brutal.

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by Anonymousreply 259September 12, 2021 3:08 AM

Based on these early bad reviews is it likely they may release this via streaming rather than solely in theatres?

Is it too late for additional editing?

by Anonymousreply 260September 12, 2021 3:10 AM

On social media, the critical masses seem to have moved on from mocking Ben Platt to fingering director Stephen Chbosky as the bad guy, which seems more just. He really does sound like an idiot.

And no, it doesn't sound like any amount of editing could save it.

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by Anonymousreply 261September 12, 2021 3:15 AM

Ouch!!! “Undoubtedly one of the worst movie-musicals ever made.”

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by Anonymousreply 262September 12, 2021 4:02 AM

I'm a huge musicals fan, and I really loved "In the Heights" on stage, but I thought the movie was a slog to get through. I rewatch musicals all the time, but I don't think I'll ever see "Heights" again. I even enjoyed "The Prom" more (and have watched it twice already.) Over the last two nights I watched filmed stage performances of "Newsies" (an excellent one from Atlanta) and "Merrily" (the London revival) again, as well as the London "South Pacific."

I loved "Come From Away" on stage -- I really hope the movie version doesn't mess it up.

by Anonymousreply 263September 12, 2021 4:04 AM

Maybe it’s best if they just shelve for a few years until people forget these reviews and then quietly release it on streaming?

by Anonymousreply 264September 12, 2021 4:08 AM

You should watch COME FROM AWAY and report back, R263. We've been discussing it on the Theatre Gossip thread.

by Anonymousreply 265September 12, 2021 4:11 AM

I genuinely think the movie of DEH is going to destroy the legacy of the stage show. Concrete, immortal proof that the Emperor has no clothes. If the show had run its course and closed, it would have been remembered fondly. But in ten years, no one will recall the stage production. The only record of it will be this reportedly creepy film. It will define the title and consign it to the second tier.

And all just to satiate Platt's ego.

by Anonymousreply 266September 12, 2021 4:41 AM

Were they thinking of reopening DEH on Broadway? How about now after those movie reviews which dissect the plot mercilessly? Why didn't most NY critics point out these flaws when the show opened?

by Anonymousreply 267September 12, 2021 4:43 AM

DEH is scheduled to reopen on December 11. There were never plans to close it, as it's been selling steadily. CV-19 forced a shutdown, just like every other Bway show.

by Anonymousreply 268September 12, 2021 4:47 AM

I don't think the film version of Rent hurt the stage show. It ran another 3 years on Broadway, re-opened off-Broadway and is still beloved.

by Anonymousreply 269September 12, 2021 5:00 AM

And theater-goers still cherish their beloved memories of me in "Cats" in spite of what JHud did in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 270September 12, 2021 5:05 AM

And stagehands still cherish their beloved memories of you in Sunset Boulevard, Betty.

by Anonymousreply 271September 12, 2021 5:18 AM

Like many other Broadway shows, DEH was filmed for the National Archives with the original cast on June 25, 2017. So his lauded Broadway performance is on film, and in the future may compete with the new movie as his definitive Evan performance. However, at present:

[quote] Performances filmed for the Archive are made available for viewing at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts at Lincoln Center for qualified theatre professionals and researchers, though only after a production has closed.

I saw Andrew Garfield in his award winning performance in Angels in America on the National Theatre at home website for $10. (They recorded one of the UK performances.) Maybe future generations of the general public will be able to do the same with the US National Archive recorded shows, including the Tony award winning DEH.

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by Anonymousreply 272September 12, 2021 5:21 AM

As far as high school was to me once is enough. Pass.

by Anonymousreply 273September 12, 2021 6:18 AM

They rushed this into production because they wanted Platt. They could have avoided all this nonsense of Ben being to old by just stating Evan Hansen attended Rydell High.

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by Anonymousreply 274September 12, 2021 10:09 AM

You don't say no to the producer or his precious son. This is a situation where you keep your head down and think of the paycheck.

Ben is basically the DL eldergay who insists he still looks young and hot while wearing Abercrombie & Fitch. And daddy humors his son's unchecked ego.

Oh, and btw, did you guys see that he's going on tour next year?

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by Anonymousreply 275September 12, 2021 10:20 AM

[quote] I don't expect them to know some obscure films but surely they've seen The Wizard of Oz and learned from a young age that yes, there are movies in which characters burst out into song.

The difference is that in The Wizard of Oz, the characters are singing songs and they know they are singing them. When Dorothy is singing in the barnyard, she knows she is singing and if anyone happened by, they would recognize that she was singing a song to herself. In DEH, when the characters are talking to themselves or to each other, one can assume that in their world, they are not actually singing to each other. It’s only the audience that is hearing the characters’ thoughts and conversations put to music. So for some people, it can be jarring, wondering if a character is really singing a song within the character’s world, or are they just speaking normally but it’s presented as a song to the audience only.

by Anonymousreply 276September 12, 2021 10:49 AM

Supposedly no one's used to people bursting into song, so I guess all those High School musical movies and TV shows, as well as Glee, were big bombs. If you have to analyze why people are singing in a musical, maybe you're just not that bright. It's like asking why they're singing at the opera. It's an accepted form of entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 277September 12, 2021 10:52 AM

West Side Story has choreography by Justin Peck., which will be beautiful and the music never fails.

by Anonymousreply 278September 12, 2021 11:03 AM

By the way. the age of most high school kids' moms isn't 60, which is the age of Julianne Moore.

by Anonymousreply 279September 12, 2021 11:12 AM

Julianne looks 50 and this Ben looks young enough. What hateful and jealous little bitches to really go in on him for doing the part. He sings beautifully. I’m sure the film is fine. His looks don’t bother me I kind of want to fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 280September 12, 2021 11:24 AM

r279, but does she LOOK like she's 60? To me, she looks mid 40-ish.

by Anonymousreply 281September 12, 2021 11:26 AM

I’d say Julianne playing the mother of a high school student is the least of this turkey’s problems.

I was a “surprise baby” and my parents were in their late 50s when I graduated high school.

by Anonymousreply 282September 12, 2021 11:28 AM

Julianne looks like a child.

by Anonymousreply 283September 12, 2021 11:31 AM

[quote]but does she LOOK like she's 60? To me, she looks mid 40-ish.

Candace Cameron-Bure from Boy Meets World is mid 40s. Kate Capshaw, Melissa Joan Hart. Julianne Moore looks like their mother. Maybe you're used to movies where Meryl Streep plays women 15-20 years younger than her age.

by Anonymousreply 284September 12, 2021 11:38 AM

[quote]Julianne Moore is so clearly at that stage in her career where she's concerned she'll never work again - I mean, does she actually even READ the scripts anymore?

She was really desperate for this role:

[quote]Moore tells the magazine that she wanted the role of Evan Hanson's mom so badly that she auditioned for the first time in years for the role. Moore lost the role to another actress, but due to Covid the actress dropped out for a prior role and Moore was cast. She says she was scared because she is not a singer, but was up for the challenge.

I really don't understand why she said any of that in public, it makes her sound pathetic. Even more so now we know her role is cut to nothing.

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by Anonymousreply 285September 12, 2021 11:39 AM

R259 He looks like a serial killer in that photo

by Anonymousreply 286September 12, 2021 11:40 AM

R267 It was a big hit with the theatre kids, and seems few - if any - theatre critics were willing to go against the crowd.

by Anonymousreply 287September 12, 2021 11:43 AM

[quote]West Side Story has choreography by Justin Peck., which will be beautiful and the music never fails.

The problem with WSS is that it stars Ansel Elgort. Even if the allegations against him last year are untrue, the public's view of him has changed.

Before he was young, good looking and quirky. Now, he's just odd and a bit creepy. People aren't going to buy him as a romantic lead.

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by Anonymousreply 288September 12, 2021 11:45 AM

R259 That Toronto review kind of misses the mark about the age thing. The critic talks about how audiences were willing to accept Tobey Maguire (at roughly the same age Ben Platt is now) as high school kid Peter Parker in Spider Man, but that nowadays audiences have more awareness and expect more realistic casting, age -wise. (Not really.) But Tobey Maguire was believable. Michael J. Fox was believable as Marty McFly. Etc. Timothy Granaderos in 13 Reasons Why was in his 30s, but he looked a certain way and got away with playing a high school student at the same age as some of the actors playing teachers. Ben Platt at 26-27 looks like a parent. It's just the way some people look/photograph.

by Anonymousreply 289September 12, 2021 11:54 AM

R284 Who from what and Kate Capshaw? Julianne looks 41. Deal.

by Anonymousreply 290September 12, 2021 12:10 PM

Maguire and Fox had boyish looks. Platt has the looks that makes him look well into his 30s. R289 is rights. Even at their best some people have features that make them appear older.

by Anonymousreply 291September 12, 2021 12:36 PM

Honest to God, whatever they did to Platt to attempt to make him look younger actually made him look older. Didn't ANYONE look at the dailies and see it?

I know music was a big feature in Perks of Being a Wallflower (which is a really good movie), but does Chbosky have any experience with actual musicals? I mean, I don't know that having made one successful movie about teenage alienation should be the qualifier for a musical in the same vein.

I'm not sure if I was rooting for this movie or not. I know it's a mark of bad taste, but I actually do like a lot of the music (and despite hating the movie, honestly thought Pasek and Paul should have won an Oscar for Greatest Showman). But so many of the replacement Evans have had a warmth that Platt just doesn't have. It's really off-putting.

by Anonymousreply 292September 12, 2021 12:50 PM

One of the great benefits of the pandemic is that we haven’t had to be subjected to any of Damien Chazelle’s shit for the past two years R37.

by Anonymousreply 293September 12, 2021 1:02 PM

[quote] Julianne looks 41. Deal.

No she does not, even though she has had work done that makes her look ghoulishly stretched.

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by Anonymousreply 294September 12, 2021 1:07 PM

Love that Joker!

by Anonymousreply 295September 12, 2021 1:10 PM

Why do women who have such bad work done look like M to F trannies?

by Anonymousreply 296September 12, 2021 1:11 PM

I buy Julianne Moore as middle-aged mom. Ben Platt as a teenager? No. Visuals matter.

by Anonymousreply 297September 12, 2021 1:38 PM

The producer of the In The Heights film was the producer of the flop Tootsie musical.

by Anonymousreply 298September 12, 2021 2:01 PM

[quote]Platt has the looks that makes him look well into his 30s. [R289] is rights. Even at their best some people have features that make them appear older.

Just to repeat, reviews for 'The Politician' also said he looked distractingly mature to be playing a high schooler on screen - even when the genre of that show could get away with casting old.

This was before he signed up for the DEH movie so everyone involved, from studio execs to the Platt clan, knew that.

by Anonymousreply 299September 12, 2021 2:43 PM

He's young looking and convincing! So much so, I hear Platt is up for the starring role in the upcoming reboot of "Dennis the Menace"!

by Anonymousreply 300September 12, 2021 3:27 PM

I think Ben is Waving Through a Window at 40.

by Anonymousreply 301September 12, 2021 3:50 PM

Well, DEH isn't the worst that could happen. Ryan Murphy said id if he could re-do the Glee pilot he'd cast Ben Platt as a jock and school heartthrob (!!!)

[quote]Imagine it's 2009, and I lived in a world where I knew Lea Michele, Ben Platt and Beanie Feldstein (Ben and Beanie, I believe, were in high school then...and I think they dressed up as Glee characters once for Halloween?) If I had access to that talent, here's the new pilot: Lea and Ben are frenemies who fight for the heart and soul of Glee Club. Ben is also on the football team, and pretty much sleeps with the entire school and is the heartthrob of McKinley. Beanie is their mutual best friend, and torn. Suddenly, Beanie joins forces with Sue Sylvester, joins Glee Club and becomes the main soloist and the ruthless star of the club. Lea and Ben have to then join forces to dethrone her. I WANT TO SHOOT THIS DO OVER PILOT. Maybe I will?"

by Anonymousreply 302September 12, 2021 3:58 PM

I had no interest in seeing this. The show and what I know about the sensitive pimply drama for closeted teens has made cringe as a bystander for a while now. Now that they’ve made a weirdo movie with a creepy Jerri Blank lead where he manipulates an entire town sounds hilarious and the kind of thing you could have a great night smoking and making fun of it.

I’m definitely going to check it out when they panic rush it to Peacock next week like they’re doing with Halloween Kills.

by Anonymousreply 303September 12, 2021 4:05 PM

DEH is on tour and coming to Indianapolis......maybe it's the fate it deserves.

by Anonymousreply 304September 12, 2021 4:07 PM

The producers made a huge mistake in not casting James Corden as Evan.

by Anonymousreply 305September 12, 2021 4:08 PM

[quote]I buy Julianne Moore as middle-aged mom.

She's been middle aged for 20 years so she should be good at it. In Far From Heaven (2002) her son looked about 10, and now her son is 16

by Anonymousreply 306September 12, 2021 4:21 PM

Here's a good review from the Wrap:

[quote] And really, here’s the bottom line: If you have a heart and any kind of tolerance for musicals, at some point you will surrender to “Dear Evan Hansen,” to Ben Platt and to a sterling cast of actors who were not in the original Broadway musical. It’s messy at times and melodramatic at others, and its treatment of mental health issues is not the most nuanced, but those feel like quibbles given the joy you can find in its best moments.

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by Anonymousreply 307September 12, 2021 8:43 PM

[quote] Why do people care what critics think? I don't read reviews.

Well, then a big hip-hip-hooray for [italic]you,[/italic] Mary Jane.

by Anonymousreply 308September 12, 2021 8:51 PM

So far, only 54% on rottentomatoes.

SPLAT!!

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by Anonymousreply 309September 12, 2021 8:57 PM

Good God, if ever there were a face made for radio, it's Ben Platt's.

Holy mackerel.

by Anonymousreply 310September 12, 2021 8:58 PM

Omg

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by Anonymousreply 311September 12, 2021 9:06 PM

Some popular artists are doing their own versions of songs from DEH and those songs will be included in the soundtrack album. Sam Smith is doing 'You Will Be Found," while Carrie Underwood is doing "Only Us,.

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by Anonymousreply 312September 12, 2021 10:25 PM

I prefer this version of " Only Us" to Underwood's.

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by Anonymousreply 313September 12, 2021 10:28 PM

Never make a movie with somebody's name in it.

It's OK if that somebody's name is somebody famous but never have an UNKNOWN SCHMUCK's name in a title.

I promise you it will fail!

by Anonymousreply 314September 12, 2021 10:38 PM

Watch World's Greatest Dad instead. That movie ripped my heart out.

by Anonymousreply 315September 12, 2021 10:39 PM

Just back from a screening in NY. It was followed by a Q&A with Ben Platt, Julianne Moore, Amandla Stenberg and Nik Dodani.

For the record I never saw the stage production. I knew only “You Will Be Found.” I’d only seen Platt once and that was in an excruciatingly hammy guest role on Will & Grace. Look, he does have an excellent singing voice (although Moore was a tad over the top at the Q&A describing him as “the best male vocalist today”). He serves the songs well. He’s just not the easiest guy to have to look at for a film of this length. In some shots he looks OK age-wise and in others he really doesn’t. His hair is alright except in a climactic moment when the mother hugs him (both are sitting) and the shot makes it look like she’s hugging an oversized poodle. Moore is always lovely and her big song is beautifully acted (she has a sweet voice) but she’s miscast as Heidi Hansen. She and Platt make zero sense as mother and son both physically and emotionally. She should absolutely have played Amy Adams’ role. Adams is fine but she just looks too young to play Cynthia. Stenberg is fine but way too movie star gorgeous. Dever is very good but the relationship between her character and Evan is patently ridiculous and I don’t mean because Evan seems like he’d be more interested in the dead brother. Speaking of which the actor who plays him is quite adorable in the “Sincerely Me” number. Danny Pino doesn’t have much to do but is hot as hell so it’s nice to get to look at him for a bit instead of Platt.

So do I think this is one of the worst movie musicals of recent years? No. I actually disliked the interminably long, cutesy and obnoxious In the Heights more. I think those who love the stage version of DEH will be fine with this. Will this get anything besides a few comedy/musical category nominations at the Golden Globes, though? I highly doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 316September 12, 2021 10:43 PM

R316 Are there any vaguely erotic moments in it?

by Anonymousreply 317September 12, 2021 10:47 PM

Here's a short clip that leads up to one of the new songs sung by Amandla Stenberg. Ben's line readings in this scene are fine, the problem is some of the closeup cuts to his reaction to the song. (You'll see.)

[quote] Stenberg is fine but way too movie star gorgeous.

It's ridiculous how beautiful she is and how great her singing voice is. Loved her in "The Hate U Give."

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by Anonymousreply 318September 12, 2021 11:01 PM

R316 Oh honey, am sure we will make up our own minds.

by Anonymousreply 319September 12, 2021 11:06 PM

Why does she suddenly start singing? I've never had a conversation with somebody and they suddenly start singing. If they did I'd say you're being obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 320September 13, 2021 12:23 AM

[quote]Why does she suddenly start singing?

Because it's a fucking musical.

by Anonymousreply 321September 13, 2021 12:28 AM

R317, nothing erotic in the least. Danny Pina in black briefs would have been nice. The gay Indian-American sidekick claims he hooked up with a Brazilian supermodel dude but we never see him.

by Anonymousreply 322September 13, 2021 12:30 AM

Well, it seems that the movie version of he Humans is the anti DEH and a career best for Schumer and some love for Beanie.

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by Anonymousreply 323September 13, 2021 2:57 AM

Why are they "hoisting' Beanie Feldstein on us ? Isnt it enough we have to endure her insufferable brother ?

by Anonymousreply 324September 13, 2021 3:00 AM

Gender parity?

by Anonymousreply 325September 13, 2021 3:25 AM

to complete the expression doesn't amount to a [jonah] hill of bean[ie]s!

by Anonymousreply 326September 13, 2021 4:12 AM

[quote] Now the reviewers are just being mean:

Welcome to my world.

by Anonymousreply 327September 13, 2021 4:13 AM

Hated the trailer for this movie, but the performance shown in R313 is utterly charming.

by Anonymousreply 328September 13, 2021 4:43 AM

This is neat. Youtube has a video of some of the setups for scenes in DEH. It's amazing how close the cameras get to the actors' faces in some scenes. (This video was not intended to be a stand-alone video, so it may be taken down eventually.)

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by Anonymousreply 329September 13, 2021 5:13 AM

So, the dead guy’s a ghost and he’s singing and dancing through this all? I guess it has more similarities with NtN then I thought?

by Anonymousreply 330September 13, 2021 5:42 AM

R309 I think you meant SPLATT!!

by Anonymousreply 331September 13, 2021 5:49 AM

Does Evan Hansen's rabbi appear in the movie?

by Anonymousreply 332September 13, 2021 6:34 AM

So, what IS the next step for our darling Ben?

Will Daddy buy him a new vehicle?

Unfortunately for Ben, he's not a leading man type. He's not good looking enough to be a conventional leading man and he's not a good enough actor to sneak into stardom via critical accolades. But, he seems to be too much of an egomaniac to settle for character actor roles which he's a bit young for anyway.

He has a good voice and quite a few fans who seem to really like his voice...his best bet might be as a concert crooner type. And, more theater stuff.

But, again, I think his ego is too big to settle for that.

HIs problem is, Ben Platt is a Mandy Patinkin but without the sex appeal (when Mandy was young) and without Mandy's acting chops but plenty of the Patinkin craziness.

by Anonymousreply 333September 13, 2021 6:46 AM

I remember hearing about Mandy Patinkin and his temper tantrums. How is he going these days?

by Anonymousreply 334September 13, 2021 7:01 AM

I love the shills turning up with 'that scene looks neat'....

by Anonymousreply 335September 13, 2021 9:26 AM

R333 Maybe he should fucking kill himself? Jesus can you think of anything else negative to say?

by Anonymousreply 336September 13, 2021 9:44 AM

R332 Evan is the rabbi.

by Anonymousreply 337September 13, 2021 9:46 AM

R312, couldn’t they get someone else other than that disgusting sounding Sam Smith to sing “You Will Be Found?” He is such a creature.

by Anonymousreply 338September 13, 2021 9:47 AM

R245, Rent would have been more successful if it had used actors with more star power at the time. Having big names seems to be necessary for a movie musical to be successful at the box office, but it’s not always sufficient.

Moulin Rouge Chicago Dreamgirls Hairspray Mamma Mia Les Miserables La La Land The Greatest Showman

by Anonymousreply 339September 13, 2021 10:00 AM

Rent: the movie was too sanitized. It’s suppose to slumming it with the Bohemes but it came off as an audition real for Juilliard grads

by Anonymousreply 340September 13, 2021 10:09 AM

RENT suffered from the same problem as DEH: the actors were all waaaayyyy too old. A 21 year old squatting in a condemned building is romantic and gutsy. A 30 year old doing the same thing is pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 341September 13, 2021 1:23 PM

I can’t believe they excised “Anybody have a Map” and “Good for You”. What a mistake, almost as bad as the hair perm.

by Anonymousreply 342September 13, 2021 2:24 PM

[quote]Will Daddy buy him a new vehicle?

Yes, a Chevrolet.

by Anonymousreply 343September 13, 2021 2:33 PM

I find the comparison to LucyMAME interesting in that one of the complaints about that (as well as "Hello Dolly," "My Fair Lady," "Gypsy," etc.) is that they didn't allow the person who originated the role on Broadway to do the film. Sort of the reverse situation here.

by Anonymousreply 344September 13, 2021 2:53 PM

[quote] Does Evan Hansen's rabbi appear in the movie?

Yes, in the animated sequence in the Briar Patch.

by Anonymousreply 345September 13, 2021 4:29 PM

[quote] I find the comparison to LucyMAME interesting in that one of the complaints about that (as well as "Hello Dolly," "My Fair Lady," "Gypsy," etc.) is that they didn't allow the person who originated the role on Broadway to do the film. Sort of the reverse situation here.

Audrey Hepburn was an improvement when it came to the non-singing parts, and Barbra Streisand was an improvement when it came to the singing parts.

by Anonymousreply 346September 13, 2021 4:29 PM

Mandy P. is currently stinking up The Good Fight. I loved this show for years but his ridiculous story line finally made me give up. I blame whatever writer dreamed up this nonsense too.

by Anonymousreply 347September 13, 2021 5:16 PM

Blame Robert and Michelle King, R347. They came up with that asinine storyline. At least it’s over and Mandy won’t be back next season.

by Anonymousreply 348September 13, 2021 6:07 PM

Platt Goes Splatt?

by Anonymousreply 349September 13, 2021 6:12 PM

The movie versions of Mame and Hello, Dolly! were also criticized for inappropriate ages of the lead characters. Lucy was way too old and Babs was way too young. I'm not sure either movie would have been better with other actresses, though. Gene Saks' direction and Paul Zindel's screenplay sunk Mame. And Dolly was WAY too overblown, with a bizarre performance from Michael Crawford, a boring one from the woman who played Irene, and a sullen, scowly one from Walter Matthau. Luckily we had Danny Lockin's cute butt in tight pants to admire in Dolly.

by Anonymousreply 350September 13, 2021 6:21 PM

Chris Columbus had no business directing "RENT". He had so little faith in the work he chose to direct it in San Francisco and a few pick ups in NY. He didn't have the balls to have it sung thru like on stage and turned lyrics into dialogue. The original cast was magic on stage but alas, they aged out. Spike Lee should have directed.

by Anonymousreply 351September 13, 2021 6:26 PM

"Spike Lee should have directed."

He would have turned it into an enclave of black activists being persecuted by " The Man."

by Anonymousreply 352September 13, 2021 6:54 PM

I think Mame definitely would have been better with Angela but you are right that Saks' direction and the screenplay were dire. Oh shit and those costumes. Mame needs also to be a parade of fabulous fashions instead of clothes inspired by the brutalist movement.

by Anonymousreply 353September 13, 2021 6:54 PM

R333 Oh you just know he's going to insist daddy buys him another project. With how much of his ego he's displayed in public, he must be a monster behind the scenes, so I think there's no doubt about that happening.

by Anonymousreply 354September 13, 2021 7:00 PM

This is from the soundtrack of the movie- Kaitlyn Dever and Ben Platt singing the movie version of "Only Us."

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by Anonymousreply 355September 13, 2021 11:48 PM

Found another one on YouTube that was taken from TicTok. This is apparently a 1 minute clip of the opening number from DEH the movie, Waving through a Window. I'm not seeing the problem with his singing/acting here. Remember, some critics claimed this is the worst musical ever made, so we're trying to see if that's so, even before the whole movie is released.

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by Anonymousreply 356September 14, 2021 12:00 AM

Does anyone believe this is the worst musical ever made? Have you been living for the last twenty years of “hyperbole for clicks”? Did you see the Bruce Jenner/Village people musical, Can’t Stop the Music or even heard of it?

by Anonymousreply 357September 14, 2021 12:06 AM

I know a lot has happened since its release, but have people forgotten the travesty that was Cats this quickly? Surely, that's got to be in the top 5 worst movie musicals of all time, yes?

by Anonymousreply 358September 14, 2021 12:15 AM

I own the title of Worst Musical Ever Made

by Anonymousreply 359September 14, 2021 12:17 AM

R357 It's not out yet, so how can any of us have that opinion? Or did you just want to whine about something that hasn't happened?

by Anonymousreply 360September 14, 2021 12:18 AM

So the movie was filmed in vertical mode, that doesn’t bode well.

by Anonymousreply 361September 14, 2021 12:20 AM

[quote]Does anyone believe this is the worst musical ever made?

Have you never seen "At Long Last Love"? Probably not, because it's unwatchable.

by Anonymousreply 362September 14, 2021 12:23 AM

Dear Evan Hansen ... your Medicare card came in the mail today.

by Anonymousreply 363September 14, 2021 12:23 AM

The linked clips look fine to me. I’m not seeing the disaster reviewers are describing. And I don’t really care how old BP appears. I’m accustomed to seeing 20 somethings play teenagers. I can’t pinpoint BP’s age based on the clips. I predict the film will do fine financially and find an audience.

by Anonymousreply 364September 14, 2021 3:39 AM

Too bad this wasn’t done ten years ago-Hunter Parrish would have been sheer perfection.

by Anonymousreply 365September 14, 2021 3:39 AM

The problem isn't his age, is that he LOOKS 35 or older! I honestly am shocked they allowed that above "official soundtrack" picture without major hairline editing. Unless Evan Hansen's angst is a result of a glandular condition, it is just too jarring.

by Anonymousreply 366September 14, 2021 8:57 AM

And the 50 year old with the bad perm is hard to look at.

by Anonymousreply 367September 14, 2021 9:01 AM

Jesus, he doesn’t look so old. Somewhere in his 20s.

by Anonymousreply 368September 14, 2021 9:07 AM

That whole vulnerable/fragile vibe Platt is attempting in that clip @ r356 is seriously cringey.

by Anonymousreply 369September 14, 2021 9:11 AM

[quote]Too bad this wasn’t done ten years ago-Hunter Parrish would have been sheer perfection.

No matter how nutty, someone looking like Hunter Parrish would never have been invisible in high school.

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by Anonymousreply 370September 14, 2021 9:15 AM

One thing that bothered me in the show was the musical tic of cutting note values short to indicate vulnerability.

by Anonymousreply 371September 14, 2021 11:13 AM

“ The problem isn't his age, is that he LOOKS 35 or older! I honestly am shocked they allowed that above "official soundtrack" picture without major hairline editing. Unless Evan Hansen's angst is a result of a glandular condition, it is just too jarring.”

I find his teeth more distracting than his hairline. Maybe he had excellent orthodontia work done, but to me his teeth look like Hollywood veneers.

by Anonymousreply 372September 14, 2021 12:48 PM

This is BRUTAL.

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by Anonymousreply 373September 14, 2021 4:03 PM

Unnecessarily arch. Variety do better. Bad movies should not be an excuse to write bad articles.

by Anonymousreply 374September 14, 2021 4:33 PM

If the review/letter was "brutal," it was mostly brutal to the author-critics ego about his influence and worth (which he kind of admits) . He means to kill DEH with his words, but he fears DEH is immune from his killer insights about the movie:

[quote] The truth is, when I was watching this in the darkened Directors Guild of America Theater, it took about 10 minutes to realize what I thought about you didn’t matter. By the end of “Waving Through the Window,” half the audience was clapping. A woman sitting across from me was audibly sobbing during multiple moments, and got so overwhelmed at one point that she lay her head on her companion’s shoulder. This happened just minutes before she turned the flashlight on her phone and couldn’t figure out how to turn it off. I wish everything was different,

by Anonymousreply 375September 14, 2021 4:38 PM

[quote]One thing that bothered me in the show was the musical tic of cutting note values short to indicate vulnerability.

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 376September 14, 2021 4:45 PM

Is that Evan’s house in that picture? I always had the feeling he probably lived in a pretty shitty house, maybe even a trailer, with his mom being the sole bread winner, working overtime to pay the bills. Evan was embarrassed by her, when he saw the wealth of Connor’s parents. But that looks like a nice home with built-ins.

by Anonymousreply 377September 14, 2021 6:22 PM

It’s very much a middle class home. When Evan’s mother says she has the money for college she does mean it, she’s not lying to the dead kid’s parents.

by Anonymousreply 378September 14, 2021 7:10 PM

I don’t understand what’s driving the extreme hostility on Twitter. The fact that Platt is too old for the part isn’t enough of a reason for the vituperative reception, and the fact that his character is a shit who gets redeemed was just as true in the original show, which never generated the competitive, show-offy hostility that the movie does (although there is a deliciously mean Forbidden Broadway number). Have we gotten that much more scoldy in six years?

by Anonymousreply 379September 14, 2021 9:37 PM

[quote] I don’t understand what’s driving the extreme hostility on Twitter.

Surely these Twitter users aren't pissed off at the blatant nepotism that Ben Platt receives from his father producing his pet projects to star in roles that would be much more suitable for other performers who don't have a daddy to buy them their careers.

by Anonymousreply 380September 14, 2021 10:30 PM

They should have changed the title to “Dear Eleven Hansen” and cast Millie Bobbie Brown in the lead. She has the same acting tics as Ben and is age appropriate.

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by Anonymousreply 381September 14, 2021 10:32 PM

Platt is definitely going the route of pop performer. But is he really going to fill arenas like Madison Square Garden? Maybe I underestimate how many people fall for his cringey plaintiveness. After all, if whiny Sam Smith can make it...

by Anonymousreply 382September 14, 2021 10:37 PM

I saw At Long Last Love twice at Radio City. The second time was a couple of weeks later and they had already cut it! I was furious.

by Anonymousreply 383September 14, 2021 10:38 PM

The hatred for this musical is . . .

. . . obviously and shockingly . . .

. . . A N T I - S E M I T I C ! ! !

by Anonymousreply 384September 14, 2021 10:41 PM

I am going to see the movie and decide for myself. The hate bandwagon on twitter is defenitely influencing negative reviews.

by Anonymousreply 385September 14, 2021 10:41 PM

[quote] Never make a movie with somebody's name in it.

Did Goldwyn really say that?

If so, that's interesting given that his company had prestige pictures they promoted the hell out of such as SUSAN LENNOX--HER FALL AND RISE, ANNA CHRISTIE, LETTY LYNTON, SADIE McKEE,and MRS. MINIVER.

by Anonymousreply 386September 14, 2021 10:43 PM

R385 Well, whatever you do don’t let Ben know about the bandwagon, he’ll just want to jump on and sing.

by Anonymousreply 387September 14, 2021 10:44 PM

R379, Twitter routinely chooses an openly gay celebrity to hate on it’s gays that do the hating. Sam Smith, Ellen, and several others have been at the center of the bandwagon hatred before.

by Anonymousreply 388September 14, 2021 10:45 PM

I think the hatred for the movie has to do with a number of things, but mostly with the casting of Ben Platt. He has a good voice, and so when he was age appropriate he seemed fine to play the lead on Broadway despite that he got the part because of who his dad is; now that he's too old for the part, it's obvious he got cast ONLY because of who his dad was (the movie would likely have pulled in bigger audiences with an actual teenage star who can sing in the lead role). And his egomanical statements to the press (and the bizarre press he keeps getting, like that piece that said he's destined to win the EGOT) just make people hate him all the more. He's not handsome or charismatic; he's just some nebbish with a receding hairline whose father is well-placed enough to have guaranteed him this big leading role.

by Anonymousreply 389September 14, 2021 10:50 PM

Look, R386. Sit down and listen!

All them dames were famous before I bought them.

All those dames had their publicity already done and paid for by someone else. I didn't have to spend extra dough publicising them. I spent enough making the • • • • movie.

I know Spielberg spends another 33% on top on the budget, I never do that. I'm not a schmuck, and neither is my friend Jack Warner.

by Anonymousreply 390September 14, 2021 10:56 PM

R372 I praised his obvious veneers back at R135. I can't sympathise with a gawky kid with such rich parents.

by Anonymousreply 391September 14, 2021 11:10 PM

Ben found a vehicle that clicked for him and he rode it for all that it was worth. Good for him, but it is over. He is not attractive, charismatic or likable. A voice is nice but as we see every week on the talent shows, voices are a dime a dozen. I’m sorry Ben but you’ve stayed past your expiration date. Be grateful for what you had, most theater geeks never come even remotely close to that.

by Anonymousreply 392September 14, 2021 11:10 PM

Re Lucy/Mame: George Cukor was originally signed to direct the film. Shortly before filming was to begin, Lucy broke her leg skiing and production had to be postponed for over three months to give her time to heal. Cukor was signed for other projects and dropped out. Saks knew the material and could take over immediately, so he lucked into the job.

As for Zindel, he gave a long interview in which he described having to go over to Ball's house every day and work with her on the script. She wanted Mame "humanized." By time they got through, the character had been dehumanized most of the other characters' best lines had been dropped. He felt powerless but you couldn't say No to Lucy and keep your job.

by Anonymousreply 393September 14, 2021 11:13 PM

R293 Cukor could have saved that turkey.

by Anonymousreply 394September 14, 2021 11:18 PM

[quote]Did Goldwyn really say that? If so, that's interesting given that his company had prestige pictures they promoted the hell out of such as SUSAN LENNOX--HER FALL AND RISE, ANNA CHRISTIE, LETTY LYNTON, SADIE McKEE,and MRS. MINIVER.

Sam Goldwyn was an independent producer. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer was a company that bore his name (due to a merger with a company he was no longer a part of). He had nothing to do with producing those movies. He did produce Bulldog Drummond, Arrowsmith, Dodsworth, Stella Dallas, The Adventures Of Marco Polo, Raffles, The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty, Roseanna McCoy, Hans Christian Andersen and Porgy And Bess, though.

by Anonymousreply 395September 14, 2021 11:26 PM

Ben was on Kelly and Ryan with finger nails painted bright blue and mentioned his boy friend, Ben broke up with long term pal, Don. Who's the new boyfriend?

by Anonymousreply 396September 14, 2021 11:31 PM

The new boyfriend probably works in a nail salon.

by Anonymousreply 397September 14, 2021 11:35 PM

R395 All except one of those were famous names.

by Anonymousreply 398September 14, 2021 11:38 PM

Ben's been dating his DEH replacement and superbottom Noah Galvin for a year and a half

by Anonymousreply 399September 14, 2021 11:39 PM

The new boyfriend must care nothing for looks and everything for $$$.

by Anonymousreply 400September 14, 2021 11:42 PM

[quote]I don’t understand what’s driving the extreme hostility on Twitter.

The negative response started with the release of the first trailer. It was a gut reaction of seeing closeups of a decidedly non-cute 27-yo who looks 35+ on screen trying to pass on as a high-schooler.

Obviously, the final product isn't putting this initial knee-jerk to rest.

by Anonymousreply 401September 15, 2021 12:00 AM

[quote][R395] All except one of those were famous names.

What's the difference between a name like Evan Hansen and a name like Stella Dallas or Dodsworth?

by Anonymousreply 402September 15, 2021 12:22 AM

Ben & his boyfriend

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by Anonymousreply 403September 15, 2021 12:22 AM

Oh, no, his boyfriend is Noah Galvin?!

by Anonymousreply 404September 15, 2021 12:26 AM

Plattvin will spark as much tabloid insanity as Bennifer!

by Anonymousreply 405September 15, 2021 12:27 AM

Ferris Bueller

by Anonymousreply 406September 15, 2021 12:28 AM

Stella Dallas had been a popular novel with a famous silent film version. Dodsworth had been a major novel and then a hit play.

by Anonymousreply 407September 15, 2021 12:29 AM

Ben is closing his next concert tour at the Hollywood Bowl. That's 17,500 seats.

by Anonymousreply 408September 15, 2021 12:35 AM

[quote] Stella Dallas had been a popular novel with a famous silent film version. Dodsworth had been a major novel and then a hit play.

And Dear Evan Hansen has been a hit musical. If it fails as a movie, it won't be because of the name.

by Anonymousreply 409September 15, 2021 12:38 AM

Maybe Bette should have done "Stella" as a musical...

by Anonymousreply 410September 15, 2021 12:40 AM

[quote]Stella Dallas had been a popular novel with a famous silent film version. Dodsworth had been a major novel and then a hit play.

And Dear Even Hansen was a hit musical, genius.

by Anonymousreply 411September 15, 2021 12:40 AM

*Evan

by Anonymousreply 412September 15, 2021 12:42 AM

I hear an echo...

by Anonymousreply 413September 15, 2021 12:42 AM

R413 Sorry, it was my post he was answering so I have a right to respond, even if you beat me to it. :)

by Anonymousreply 414September 15, 2021 12:45 AM

-- R 411

by Anonymousreply 415September 15, 2021 12:46 AM

R408 how many will be filled?

by Anonymousreply 416September 15, 2021 12:51 AM

R402 These were two dime-store novels which were sold in their thousands in every state of the union. They were already known everywhere.

Who is this "Evan Hansen"? Is he Welsh or Danish? He looks Jewish.

He may be known to the New York gays but this unknown schmuck isn't famous in Peoria!

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by Anonymousreply 417September 15, 2021 12:57 AM

The mega convoluted logline was enough to turn me off.

by Anonymousreply 418September 15, 2021 1:03 AM

The author of Stella Dallas was the benefactor of Sylvia Plath. She paid for her education at Smith College and she had her moved to better and private treatment after her suicide attempt and continued to pay for and gift her money and other things throughout her whole life. Without Stella Dallas there would be no Sylvia Plath.

by Anonymousreply 419September 15, 2021 1:43 AM

[quote] Ben is closing his next concert tour at the Hollywood Bowl. That's 17,500 seats.

He has been at the Bowl before---

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by Anonymousreply 420September 15, 2021 2:01 AM

He's no Kirby Furlong!

by Anonymousreply 421September 15, 2021 2:06 AM

[quote]Cukor could have saved that turkey.

Yeah, well right before "Mame" he made the bloated unfunny "Travels With My Aunt" a very Mame like character and flop. So maybe not.

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by Anonymousreply 422September 15, 2021 2:24 AM

I can't disagree with you, R422.

Poor Maggie was pretending to be a geriatric but Miss Ball wouldn't need to do that at all.

by Anonymousreply 423September 15, 2021 2:28 AM

Janet Jackson couldn't fill the Bowl (the Hollywood Bowl, not her toilet, which she fills several times a day). There's no fucking way Platt will come close.

by Anonymousreply 424September 15, 2021 2:59 AM

Daddy will buy up all the tickets and give them out free on Hollywood boulevard.

by Anonymousreply 425September 15, 2021 3:03 AM

[quote] The linked clips look fine to me. I’m not seeing the disaster reviewers are describing. And I don’t really care how old BP appears. I’m accustomed to seeing 20 somethings play teenagers. I can’t pinpoint BP’s age based on the clips. I predict the film will do fine financially and find an audience.

Thanks for weighing in, Marc Platt Productions PR Shill!

by Anonymousreply 426September 15, 2021 3:32 AM

[quote] He may be known to the New York gays but this unknown schmuck isn't famous in Peoria!

And yet above, we were explicitly told that being a hit play in New York was a [italic]major reason[/italic] why "Dodsworth" succeeded at the box office.

by Anonymousreply 427September 15, 2021 3:40 AM

"Erin Brockovich," "Jerry Maguire," and "Michael Clayton," all of which turned solid profits, prove that in the last 20 years having full proper names in titles is not disastrous for the box office.

by Anonymousreply 428September 15, 2021 3:43 AM

Good Will Hunting, Billy Elliot, Billy Madison, Charlie Wilson's War, Charlie St. Cloud, and for oldies, Cluny Brown, Mildred Pierce, Harriet Craig, Hilda Crane, Joe Smith, American...

by Anonymousreply 429September 15, 2021 3:47 AM

You forgot Happy Hunting with Ethel and Fernando's giant schlong.

by Anonymousreply 430September 15, 2021 4:01 AM

I don't think Ethel shared Fernando's shlong though.

by Anonymousreply 431September 15, 2021 4:14 AM

'Dodsworth' was famous because it written by the first American to get a Nobel Prize for literature.

One of his books sold two million copies.

by Anonymousreply 432September 15, 2021 4:31 AM

I have a name, R432.

by Anonymousreply 433September 15, 2021 4:42 AM

R428, R429 All those movies have stars' names who are billed ABOVE the unknown title name.

This new movie has an unknown person playing an unknown charcater in a movie that will be hard to advertise.

by Anonymousreply 434September 15, 2021 5:40 AM

It's also odd they cast Amy Adams to play Evan's mother when Amy Adams and Ben Platt appear to be peers in those photos of them from the film. She's a very attractive 47 who reads as mid 30s on film and Ben Platt is a very mature 27 who reads as mid 30s.

Awkward.

by Anonymousreply 435September 15, 2021 7:23 AM

[quote] He's no Kirby Furlong!

Thank God they broke that mold. That kid is insufferable in Mame. All twinkly and actor-y.

by Anonymousreply 436September 15, 2021 9:09 AM

R435, Amy Adams plays the dead boy's mother but same difference.

by Anonymousreply 437September 15, 2021 12:41 PM

Not R435, but R377. I also thought Adams was Evan’s mom. I love Julianne Moore but what an awful, awkward choice to play his mom. This movie was doomed from the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 438September 15, 2021 2:17 PM

Julianne Moore is 60. SIXTY.

Who does she think she's kidding?

by Anonymousreply 439September 15, 2021 4:22 PM

The storyline of the misidentified person who decides to go with it probably predates Beowulf but the earliest version that I'm aware of of this particular trope is Cornell Woolrich's novel "I Married A Dead Man," later adapted into the film noir "No Man Of Her Own" and much later ripped off for the Sandra Bullock hit "While You Were Sleeping."

by Anonymousreply 440September 15, 2021 4:32 PM

I didn't know Happy Hunting was someone's name.

by Anonymousreply 441September 15, 2021 6:03 PM

LOL...I got confused. I thought Evan Hansen WAS the dead boy and not the name of Ben's character.

It's confusing when you hate something you haven't actually seen.

by Anonymousreply 442September 15, 2021 9:56 PM

No Evan has to write daily letters to himself as all nervous boys do.

by Anonymousreply 443September 15, 2021 9:58 PM

Do you think the reason Ben Platt is dating Noah Galvin is because when he looks into Noah's gaping asshole, he thinks he's looking in a mirror?

by Anonymousreply 444September 15, 2021 10:01 PM

That is very sweet of you to think so.

by Anonymousreply 445September 15, 2021 10:07 PM

[quote]Do you think the reason Ben Platt is dating Noah Galvin is because when he looks into Noah's gaping asshole, he thinks he's looking in a mirror?

Well what do you see when look into your lover's gaping asshole R444?

by Anonymousreply 446September 15, 2021 10:19 PM

They've released another 1 minute clip from the movie. You Will Be Found.

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by Anonymousreply 447September 15, 2021 10:29 PM

Noah Galvin replaced Platt on Broadway in DEH. So when Platt is fucking Noah, he is symbolically having sex with his favorite person: himself. No one else is good enough.

by Anonymousreply 448September 15, 2021 11:38 PM

[quote] I didn't know Happy Hunting was someone's name.

She's the sister of Will Hunting, the title character from "Good Will Hunting."

She was named after Happy Rockefeller.

by Anonymousreply 449September 15, 2021 11:42 PM

Ben will be performing tonight on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.

by Anonymousreply 450September 16, 2021 1:33 AM

But Sondheim will be on Colbert.

by Anonymousreply 451September 16, 2021 1:36 AM

R444, he’s tap, tap, tapping on that ass . . 🎶

(only funny if you’re familiar with the song)

by Anonymousreply 452September 16, 2021 3:08 AM

If you want to see Ben play an unconvincing character with all his acting tics on display, check out on Hulu B.J. Novak’s new show Premise, where Ben is a heterosexual Brooklyn SJW who discovers in his sex tape some key information that can get a Black man off from a police violence charge, endearing he is not.

by Anonymousreply 453September 16, 2021 1:37 PM

[quote]Ben will be performing tonight on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.

Btw, they had to call it The Tonight Show because TV talk shows named after people can't be successful. According to Sam Goldwyn. Or someone.

by Anonymousreply 454September 16, 2021 1:58 PM

Here's the brand new, final trailer. The first half of it is completely different from the other previous trailers. it shows how the singing starts out as conversation, or internal conversation. This trailer version also emphasizes a connection with scared, lonely kids in the (potential) audience.

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by Anonymousreply 455September 16, 2021 3:42 PM

The damage has been done. They could shine a projector into Noah's open hole and it won't make a dent in the box office

by Anonymousreply 456September 16, 2021 3:44 PM

I really hope this will be the box office disaster it looks like it will be.

by Anonymousreply 457September 16, 2021 4:36 PM

Holy cow, this thread has legs.

Has anyone posted pix of Ben at the Met Gala?

TOTES ADORBS!

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by Anonymousreply 458September 16, 2021 4:45 PM

God he is homely.

by Anonymousreply 459September 16, 2021 4:56 PM

I’m 99% sure I saw him that outfit before, I can believe he reused an old outfit for the Met Gala.

by Anonymousreply 460September 16, 2021 4:58 PM

Ben's look is very "Boogie Nights" 70s porn disco chic. Fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 461September 16, 2021 5:03 PM

I couldn’t bear to watch him spout platitudes on The View.

by Anonymousreply 462September 16, 2021 5:03 PM

He really does have a face for cremation.

by Anonymousreply 463September 16, 2021 5:16 PM

[quote]If you want to see Ben play an unconvincing character with all his acting tics on display, check out on Hulu B.J. Novak’s new show Premise, where Ben is a heterosexual Brooklyn SJW who discovers in his sex tape some key information that can get a Black man off from a police violence charge, endearing he is not.

More than that, you get to see his naked thrusting ass throughout. Plus, just to further antagonize DL, he even quotes Hamilton in one scene. Above and beyond that, it's just about the worst half hour of television you'll this year, but you can't blame Platt exclusively; the writing is as bad as it gets.

by Anonymousreply 464September 16, 2021 5:17 PM

Galvin only took over the role for a couple of months, before Taylor Trensch stepped in and played it for a year. I got the impression that Platt wound up leaving a little earlier than originally planned and Galvin filled the gap until Trensch was scheduled to begin.

I saw both Platt and Trensch. Platt had the stronger singing voice (Trensch struggled with some of the highest notes in Waving Through A Window at the performance I saw), but Trensch acted it better without all of the Method-y tics that were mostly awards bait.

by Anonymousreply 465September 16, 2021 6:41 PM

Ben is canceled on " Distractify," an influencer site:

Why is Ben Platt canceled? He's facing backlash for comments about 'Dear Evan Hansen.' While many people are excited about the musical coming to life as a film, not everyone is thrilled with the decision. At first, the comments were mostly directed at Ben's appearance in the trailer. Many felt resembled a 30-year-old man rather than the 17-year-old character he is supposed to be playing.

Ben Platt is only 27, but the discussions prompted a defensive response from him that resulted in a now-deleted tweet from May 2021 (captured by Variety) saying, "Thank you from the bottom of my [heart] for the outpouring of trailer love yesterday. The film required me to revisit areas of personal pain, so seeing people excited and moved makes it so deeply worth it. P.S. to the randos being jerks about age, read this great article and/or watch Grease."

Although he deleted the tweet, all the negative responses to the film upset Ben, who brought it up again on the Zach Sang Show in Aug. 2021. He said, "People like to have something to say that is negative, regardless of what it is. And so if my thing is something that I can’t control at all — which is my age — then bring it on. I’m glad it’s not about the performance or my voice or anything that actually matters."

Ben added, "I think the reaction is largely from people who don’t understand the context of the piece — the fact that I created the role and workshopped it for three years. Were I not to do the movie, it probably wouldn’t get made."

The last sentence drew particular ire from fans, who pointed out that Ben's father, famed producer Marc Platt, is responsible for both the movie and the musical that jump-started his fame.

One user tweeted, "If you don’t think Ben Platt’s casting in the Dear Evan Hansen movie has at least something to do with nepotism, here’s your reminder that everybody in the OBC [Original Broadway Cast] of The Prom had to audition for the roles they originated and none of them got cast."

Another person chimed in, "While I am so over the discourse of this. To suggest that there is no Dear Evan Hansen without Ben Platt is incredibly unfair to everyone else who has played the role." Other notable actors who have played Evan Hansen include Noah Galvin, Jordan Fisher, Andrew Barth Feldman, and Taylor Trensch.

by Anonymousreply 466September 16, 2021 8:12 PM

Since when is Andrew Barth Feldman notable? Admittedly, they're stretching the definition with the others, but the kid whose only credit was DEH itself being notable? What?

by Anonymousreply 467September 16, 2021 8:35 PM

I saw the film last night. I enjoyed Ben & the whole cast when I saw the show on Broadway. Ben was fine in the film (as was Juliane Moore). For me, I didn’t like the new songs. The role of Jared was significantly reduced and Alana’s part was expanded. The actor who plays Connor is cute and can sing/dance but not quite the dark goth Connor from the stage version. The parents roles were also reduced somewhat. The finale/end song was changed which really lessened the emotional impact of the stage version. I went into it with pretty low expectations and enjoyed it more than expected but it could have been better had they stayed with the original music.

by Anonymousreply 468September 16, 2021 8:50 PM

I never understood the need to change songs and endings. People who will see this film are those who have either seen the stage version ( which has been on tour) or listened to the cast album. They are expecting to see and hear the stage version; no need to present anything different ( This isn't Demi Moore's " Scarlet Letter"). It's just an admission that the stage play was not good enough for the movies, when, in reality, the opposite is true.

by Anonymousreply 469September 16, 2021 9:47 PM

R468, I agree with a lot of what you wrote. That’s very true about Connor. The only thing remotely goth about him were his painted fingernails. He just looked altogether too squeaky clean, like the quarterback/homecoming king. Although I did think he was very charming in the “Sincerely Me” number.

by Anonymousreply 470September 16, 2021 10:12 PM

[quote]I never understood the need to change songs and endings.

The main (perhaps ONLY) reason they add new songs is for Oscar consideration.

by Anonymousreply 471September 16, 2021 10:19 PM

I'm lost at the Ben hate. No, he's not hot. Yes, he has connections and a rich dad.

I didn't see DEH, but saw him on some show where he was doing a song from his first CD. After that, I started checking him out on YouTube and really enjoy his performing.

But claiming his dad.will buy out the Hollywood Bowl is BS. I just bought tickets to his San Diego show- $600 with M/G.

KMA. And no, I'm not Ben. The CD sales and concert venues are available for all to see.

by Anonymousreply 472September 17, 2021 3:13 AM

R472 $600??? Is he gonna suck your dick?

by Anonymousreply 473September 17, 2021 3:20 AM

R473, only fangirls pay such ridiculous amounts for the meet and greet packages.

by Anonymousreply 474September 17, 2021 4:08 AM

I'm a guy, not a girl FYI. Includes booze, food and 3rd row seats.

by Anonymousreply 475September 17, 2021 4:14 AM

Ben killed it last night on Jimmy Fallon. It was his best live performance ever. He's so much better than Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes or Ed Sheeran.

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by Anonymousreply 476September 17, 2021 4:28 AM

Isn’t he tired of singing that fucking song yet? I know I am.

by Anonymousreply 477September 17, 2021 4:36 AM

Then stop singing it, R477.

by Anonymousreply 478September 17, 2021 5:02 AM

[quote] I'm a guy, not a girl FYI. Includes booze, food and 3rd row seats.

You still got ripped off.

by Anonymousreply 479September 17, 2021 5:50 AM

Evidently, all the other Amex presales didn't think so.

Enjoy Steve Fisted Grande. He's hot!

by Anonymousreply 480September 17, 2021 6:42 AM

I can't imagine spending that kind of money to see anybody but...different strokes for different folks!!!

(Seriously, did you have a stroke? Is that what impaired you to spending $600 to see BP?)

by Anonymousreply 481September 17, 2021 6:48 AM

[quote] Evidently, all the other Amex presales didn't think so. Enjoy Steve Fisted Grande. He's hot!

I love how this fangurl thinks Ben Platt is so much more talented and fantastic than Steve Grand. Honey, they both suck. The difference is it only costs $35 to see Steve Grand, and you'll probably get laid after the show. With Ben Platt you pay $600 and you definitely got fucked.

by Anonymousreply 482September 17, 2021 9:52 AM

[quote] never understood the need to change songs and endings.

I agree. I loved "Hairspray" but ticked they cut the fun song "Mama I'm A Big Girl Now". More Michelle Pfeiffer is not a bad thing and another 5 minutes of the movie wouldn't have hurt it. No reason for the cut.

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by Anonymousreply 483September 17, 2021 10:38 AM

Heard one of Ben’s pop songs on Sirius yesterday. They did this weird affect to muddy the vocals. The guy has a good voice but you couldn’t even hear it… it’s like something they’d do for Britney. Odd.

by Anonymousreply 484September 17, 2021 10:59 AM

[quote]I loved "Hairspray" but ticked they cut the fun song "Mama I'm A Big Girl Now".

It was cut because they didn't want to have to go to a split-screen. Whether that was a good choice or not is a matter of opinion, but it wasn't cut just for funsies.

Chicago cut "Class" for a similar reason, because they couldn't make it work with the conceit that all of the numbers were happening in Roxie's imagination.

by Anonymousreply 485September 17, 2021 11:32 AM

Ben's going to be on the CBS morning show in a few minutes.

by Anonymousreply 486September 17, 2021 11:45 AM

Who is more despised on DL: Ben Platt or Ansel Elgort?

by Anonymousreply 487September 17, 2021 12:18 PM

Omg R371, I fucking hate that so much. It’s a weird style that Broadway singers have adopted because they think It makes them sound more pop. It’s fucking obnoxious. Platt is by far the worst example of it.

by Anonymousreply 488September 17, 2021 1:27 PM

[quote]But claiming his dad.will buy out the Hollywood Bowl is BS. I just bought tickets to his San Diego show- $600 with M/G.

Wow--you managed to get Meryl and Glenn to go together? You should be negotiating in the Middle East.

by Anonymousreply 489September 17, 2021 1:39 PM

I've always liked Forbidden Broadway's take on Ben/DEH

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by Anonymousreply 490September 17, 2021 2:05 PM

The screener has leaked on pirate sites lol

by Anonymousreply 491September 17, 2021 7:07 PM

R491 yep, saw that too. Woop[.

by Anonymousreply 492September 17, 2021 7:44 PM

Didn't Madonna pull the same shit with one of her albums (leaking it)?

Ben's really desperate.

by Anonymousreply 493September 17, 2021 8:18 PM

[quote] I loved "Hairspray" but ticked they cut the fun song "Mama I'm A Big Girl Now".

[quote] it was cut because they didn't want to have to go to a split-screen. Whether that was a good choice or not is a matter of opinion, but it wasn't cut just for funsies.

And they could have done a fun tribute to "Bye By Birdie" and the telephone number.

[quote]Chicago cut "Class" for a similar reason, because they couldn't make it work with the conceit that all of the numbers were happening in Roxie's imagination.

And one line in the court room, "I can only imagine what that conniving Velma and Mama are saying about me now" cut to Vlema and Mam listening to the radio cue playback..

Wha la, great song saved. It ain't rocket science.

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by Anonymousreply 494September 17, 2021 9:40 PM

Of course sometimes the new number that was added for the movie ends up in future productions of the stage version.

by Anonymousreply 495September 17, 2021 10:55 PM
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