[QUOTE]Prince Andrew has avoided “multiple attempts” to serve him legal papers on behalf of his sex assault accuser, bolting 500 miles to the safety of mom Queen Elizabeth II’s Scottish getaway Balmoral, days before the first hearing.
Queen Elizabeth is Shielding Prince Andrew From Prosecution Over Sex Crimes
by Anonymous | reply 196 | April 5, 2022 2:33 PM |
As a mother, I'm sure she believes Andrew's (highly questionable) assertions that he's innocent. I also wouldn't be surprised if she feels this is part of a growing push (largely from America) to try and bring down the monarchy. So, I won't get angry for a mother trying to protect her son (despite that fact he's 60 and more than old enough to deal with his own shit). That being said, I think she needs to hand him over to Charles and Andrew to deal with in a more dispassionate manner.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 8, 2021 3:32 PM |
Andrew is believed to have made the dash north in an attempt to avoid the humiliation of being physically served papers in Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s upcoming civil lawsuit against him.
The paper says there have been “multiple attempts” to serve the papers on Andrew at his home, Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park.
Andrew is reported to have been going “stir-crazy” at the property. Although the Lodge, which was formally the late queen mother’s home, has extensive grounds that are a far from claustrophobia-inducing 98 acres, Andrew has reportedly been unwilling to go outside for fear of being pounced on by agents working for famed U.S. attorney David Boies.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 8, 2021 3:36 PM |
This is clearly bullshit. The Queen has zero ability to unilaterally put a stop to legitimate legal maneuvers against members of her family. If there is a real threat to Andrew, it's because Boris won't (or can't) stop it. Maybe if those warmongering Tories weren't so quick to shit on Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, he'd be more keen to help out.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 8, 2021 3:44 PM |
R3 Glad to hear that. I'll give it another try. Could you please tell his mum I'll drop by in the morning? TIA.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 8, 2021 3:50 PM |
Sounds more like HE is avoiding them. This has nothing to do with the Queen. What is she supposed to do? Have the BRG come in with muskets and turn him over to Scotland Yard?? They are not involved in legal matters.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 8, 2021 4:16 PM |
[quote] I think she needs to hand him over to Charles and Andrew to deal with in a more dispassionate manner.
Charles and....Edward, you mean?
or William?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 8, 2021 6:49 PM |
[QUOTE] The Queen has zero ability to unilaterally put a stop to legitimate legal maneuvers against members of her family.
You actually think the authorities would raid Balmoral, R3?
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 8, 2021 6:52 PM |
Who cares, at worst he had sex with a 17 year old
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 8, 2021 6:57 PM |
A 17-year-old who was sex trafficked
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 8, 2021 6:59 PM |
One requires the Queen's permission to visit Balmoral. I don't fault her for aiding Andrew. Sex with a 17 year old in the UK is not an issue
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 8, 2021 7:00 PM |
But sex with a victim of trafficking most certainly is an issue in the UK
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 8, 2021 7:01 PM |
[quote] A 17-year-old who was sex trafficked
So she claims. But she’s lied about quite a lot of things and I’m starting to think she’s completely made this up for money.
This is pretty damning & backed up by evidence. There is, at the very least, reasonable doubt as to whether Prince Andrew ever fucked her.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 8, 2021 7:07 PM |
He was just having fun 🤩
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 8, 2021 7:11 PM |
"A 17-year-old who was sex trafficked "
Which is kind of rapey and VERY illegal in NY where it happened
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 8, 2021 7:12 PM |
I guess he really can sweat after all. Hahahaha!
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 8, 2021 7:13 PM |
Can’t believe the BRF Stans are in here defending Jeffrey Epstein.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 8, 2021 7:54 PM |
[quote] Can’t believe the BRF Stans are in here defending Jeffrey Epstein.
Where? Jeffrey Epstein was convicted. No defence possible.
Prince Andrew, however, has not be convicted of anything. He faces one single accusation from a known liar.
Decemt people will understand the problem here. You clearly won’t.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 8, 2021 7:59 PM |
^decent
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 8, 2021 8:00 PM |
Virginia the whore was over 18 yrs old"If and when" Prince Andrew fucked her. Her old attorney Gloria Allred DROPPED HER as a CLIENT. Do you really believe Gloria(the money-hungry publicity Vampire attorney) would have turned down a shot at the Royal Family if Virginia the whore was telling the Truth? Gloria caught the whore in several lies, dumped her trampy whore ass as a client.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 8, 2021 8:18 PM |
Then why doesn’t Andrew face up to these accusations and fight them, R20? Why is he in hiding?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 8, 2021 8:58 PM |
r21 gets it if the woman was an 18 year old liar then Andy has nothing to worry about, because sweaty Andy always tells the truth
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 8, 2021 9:04 PM |
Of course Andrew is a scumbag. I don’t see what this has to do with the BRF. He was not consulting mummy and Chuck regarding his visits to whore houses. They don’t want to get involved in his mess. Never complain, never explain. They are definitely mortified. Believe that.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 8, 2021 10:08 PM |
R20 Andrew is a piece of shit but I agree this Virginia woman is a fame whore looking to make money. Back when the demon Meghan Kelley was on NBC, she had arranged an interview with her a few years ago, but Kelley discovered numerous holes in Virginia's claims (including the fact she had lied under oath before) and that's why Gloria Allred dropped her.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 8, 2021 10:42 PM |
So as king as he can't be served in person, the case can't move forward? Shirley it can't be that simple.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 8, 2021 10:55 PM |
Long not king ^^
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 8, 2021 10:57 PM |
R25 No it can proceed without him, and don't call me Shirley.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 8, 2021 11:50 PM |
Let's just end this. Andrew is shady. Virginia is a pain in the arse. I'm sick of hearing about it. And I happen to like Sarah, Duchess of York.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | September 9, 2021 2:52 AM |
Virginia is backed up by witnesses. This is a clear cut case of a young girl being trafficked by a known serial pedophile. Prince Andrew is as dumb as the stone in Buckingham palace. The picture of him with his arm around her and him lying about it makes him an untrustworthy defendant. Worse, his horrific and comical lie filled BBC interview is part of the public record. Dude is guilty.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 9, 2021 3:03 AM |
What does Meghan think?
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 9, 2021 11:03 AM |
You know your Royal Family is utter scum when they hire online trolls to attack trafficked sex victims. How much lower can you go. They are disgusting.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 9, 2021 11:15 AM |
Fuck the NY Post. They’re so concerned about Andrew but will continue to support and prop up serial sex perv Trump. Maybe if they took a harder line against him, I would feel different.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 9, 2021 11:25 AM |
[quote] Then why doesn’t Andrew face up to these accusations and fight them, [R20]? Why is he in hiding?
Who says he’s “hiding”? Absolutely everything he does regarding this will be on the advice of the BRFs very expensive & world class lawyers. The idea that he’s run off to Balmoral is bullshit…he goes there every year at this time, as does the whole family.
[quote] Virginia is backed up by witnesses. This is a clear cut case of a young girl being trafficked by a known serial pedophile. Prince Andrew is as dumb as the stone in Buckingham palace. The picture of him with his arm around her and him lying about it makes him an untrustworthy defendant. Worse, his horrific and comical lie filled BBC interview is part of the public record. Dude is guilty.
Virginia is backed up by no witnesses whatsoever. She has ONE guy who says he saw her with Andrew in a place that Andrew has never visited and at a time when it’s impossible for him to have been there.
Andrew says he doesn’t remember the photo being taken. Do you have any conception of how many people he’s posed for photos with over the years? Why are you choosing to characterise that as a “lie”?
FACT: There is precisely zero evidence that he ever slept with Andrew’s and rather a lot of evidence that she is a pathological liar and is simply trying to make money.
Evidence matters to most people. Not to people like you, of course, for whom it’s all about the narrative…evidence be damned.
Prince or pauper every human being deserves to have a case against them proved. It’s disturbing that so many people are content with trial by media these days.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 9, 2021 2:16 PM |
Actually it was a woman that saw Prince Andrew with Virginia in Tramp.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 9, 2021 10:19 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 10, 2021 8:54 AM |
[quote] Actually it was a woman that saw Prince Andrew with Virginia in Tramp.
Seriously? That’s your “evidence”? That some woman saw PA in a nightclub with a young blonde woman?
Doing what? Shagging?
There’s little doubt that Andrews was in London with Epstein & Maxwell and met PA. She asked to have her photo taken with him to show her mother. Maybe they all went to Tramp, who knows?
None of that adds up to a “poor trafficked girl being raped”.
And who is this “woman” who saw them? Did she know Andrews so well she could identify her from a photo a few decades later? Please. That would get laughed out of any court.
Even the journalist who broke the story came to believe that Andrews was lying, as did her own lawyer.
This whole thing has been a shameful money grab from day one.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 10, 2021 9:44 AM |
CUNT!!!
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 10, 2021 9:48 AM |
If I ever had a royal peen in me, I would never wash my pussy again ever.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 10, 2021 10:07 AM |
Hi Cheryl r38
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 10, 2021 12:00 PM |
R36. Also staff on Epstein Island. Btw Boris. I’d love to meet you in real life sometime.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 11, 2021 3:21 AM |
TRUMP RAPED A 13YO GIRL WITH EPSTEIN!
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 11, 2021 3:28 AM |
I don’t know if Trump or Clinton raped on of Epstein’s children, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 11, 2021 3:32 AM |
What kind of moron thinks Prince Andrew ISN'T a fucking low life? I don't doubt a correlation between the weirdos here who are defending him and those who hate that black chick.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 11, 2021 3:33 AM |
Andrew,lol
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 11, 2021 3:35 AM |
They didn’t actually serve Andrew the papers, though.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 11, 2021 3:47 AM |
[quote] The Queen has zero ability to unilaterally put a stop to legitimate legal maneuvers against members of her family. If there is a real threat to Andrew, it's because Boris won't (or can't) stop it.
I agree. I'd add that Charles is calling the shots and has been for a while. But I think it's really unlikely anything will ever happen to Andrew as long as he stays on British soil. He is probably going stir crazy, like the article said. He is after all a man who for 60 years has done whatever the fuck he wanted at any given time.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 11, 2021 3:52 AM |
The accuser had a shitty life, but she started hooking at 17 and stopped when she was 23. Was she really groomed or did she make a shitty adult decision because she had scant parental support, was molested as a prepubescent, and was poorly educated? Did Ghislaine Maxwell put a gun to her head to make her go to Thailand? Doesn't sound like it. I think Prince Andrew likes barely legal women, but a pedo? No.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 11, 2021 4:02 AM |
He’s just an ephebophile, R48?
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 11, 2021 4:06 AM |
R49. In the UK the age of consent is 16. If this Virginia woman wants to blame anyone for her crappy life she should be blaming her awful parents and the authorities who let her slip through the cracks.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 11, 2021 4:19 AM |
No. Prince Andrew, an adult had no business fucking teen age girls in the first place. Second of all the charges involve her exploitation.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 11, 2021 6:06 AM |
[Quote]Her lawyers say they were served on 27 August, being left with a police officer at Windsor's Royal Lodge.
This is not proper service. Ridiculous.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 11, 2021 6:17 AM |
It's well known fact that the brain doesn't stop developing until your early 20s. The people people talking about this Virginia woman like she was some hardened 30 year old tramp who made poor life choices don't get it. Even if Andrew didn't hold her down and violate her he still took advantage. He's a slimy creep and I hope he gets what's coming to him.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 11, 2021 6:35 AM |
R53 the age of consent is still a hard law. Your opinion about the ages that people mentally mature doesn't matter. I'm also guessing you'd be opposed to republicans raising the voting age for the same reason.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | September 11, 2021 6:52 AM |
She failed. Andy got served.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 11, 2021 6:58 AM |
r54 It's not a matter of opinion. People aren't fully formed at 17. That's why we no longer execute people for crimes they committed as minors. Anyway the whole thing comes down to whether you believe her over Andy. I see no reason to write her off just her celebrity attorney dropped her. Andy is a sleazy turd, why is it so hard to believe that he fucked her?
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 11, 2021 7:17 AM |
R56 he didn't even allegedly sleep with her until she was 18. Pearl clutching appeals to mortality fail under legal scrutiny for a very good reason. Your kangaroo court concept of legality is dumb and you should feel bad for being so dumb.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 11, 2021 7:28 AM |
[quote] Also staff on Epstein Island. Btw Boris. I’d love to meet you in real life sometime.
You mean the man who said he saw Andrews and PA on the island in 2004? 2004 when she was married with children and living in Australia? That man?
And, sorry, we will never meet. I don’t eat in McDonalds or visit trailer parks.
[quote] What kind of moron thinks Prince Andrew ISN'T a fucking low life? I don't doubt a correlation between the weirdos here who are defending him and those who hate that black chick.
Let me say this slowly so that even the hard of thinking like you can understand - there is no evidence whatsoever that PA had anything at all to do with Andrews. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
She has repeatedly lied under oath & initially invented an orgy with 8 people including Andrew that turned out to be a lie.
The journalist that broke her story came to believe she was lying. Her lawyer dropped her for lying. There are emails from Andrews asking to be reminded of what she’d previously told them so she could keep her story straight.
Now, let me ask you…what kind of moron is happy to see anyone convicted on the basis of no evidence whatsoever? It’s people like you who are responsible for innocent men rotting on death row because you are too fucking stupid to understand that a) evidence matters and b) your personal opinion of rhe accused does not.
[quote] Anyway the whole thing comes down to whether you believe her over Andy. I see no reason to write her off just her celebrity attorney dropped her. Andy is a sleazy turd, why is it so hard to believe that he fucked her?
And this is the problem…people as dim as you really do think this way. The whole thing OUGHT to come down to evidence not who you personally want to believe.
If you are ever invited for jury duty, please decline. Unfortunately, terminal stupidity isn’t accepted as an excuse so try “depression & anxiety”.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 11, 2021 8:46 AM |
They were in love!
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 11, 2021 10:50 AM |
"He vuss my boyfriend!!!"
- Frau Blucher
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 11, 2021 11:13 AM |
Hold on there...Balmoral is in Scotland, not Afghanistan. He can be served up there just as well as he can be in England. WTF are you on about?
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 11, 2021 11:14 AM |
Andrew is guilty, but his Mama will save him.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 11, 2021 12:25 PM |
R58 at least you admitted that you are Boris DeJure, Fucktard incel, foolish troll.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 11, 2021 12:27 PM |
Boris you probably wouldn’t like the “activities” I have planned if we ever meet. 😂😂😂🧟♂️👊🏻
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 11, 2021 12:50 PM |
Boris is tranny Bitch will kick his fucking ass when I catch him.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 11, 2021 8:33 PM |
He was not served. The Server is obliged to place the documents in the hands of the accused. Not to a policeman or anyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 11, 2021 10:50 PM |
Andrew can and will go wherever he damn well pleases. His protection detail will keep anyone not vetted far away from him.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 11, 2021 10:56 PM |
And that protection detail and the fortress where he currently resides are provided by the Queen.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 12, 2021 12:35 AM |
Get your lips off the queen's withered ass and go suck Andy's cock if his security detail will "you near him," lol. No security detail in the world is gonna keep Andy from having to face the legal music.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | September 12, 2021 2:10 AM |
There's no legal music to face, a US civil court has no power outside the US unless he willingly submits to its authority, and I sincerely doubt he's ever going to do that.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | September 12, 2021 2:13 AM |
The music he has to face is that he is hiding from the court, refusing to testify, and in general acting like the guilty old perv he is. He can't be extradicted, but he can no longer set foot in the U.S., either, and that has to be painful.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | September 12, 2021 2:18 AM |
[quote] I also wouldn't be surprised if she feels this is part of a growing push (largely from America) to try and bring down the monarchy.
You've been watching too many cheesy movies.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | September 12, 2021 2:19 AM |
I want the whole thing to blow over and go away.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | September 12, 2021 2:21 AM |
[quote] No security detail in the world is gonna keep Andy from having to face the legal music.
You know nothing about legal matters, despite your bluster.
A US civil court has no legal authority to extradite him from the UK. He can die without "having to face the legal music," so long as he does not set foot on US soil.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | September 12, 2021 2:26 AM |
Even if the court did have the power to extradite him, it wouldn't be able to because none of the things he's accused of were illegal in the UK at the time, and no-one is ever extradited to face charges they wouldn't face at home.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | September 12, 2021 2:33 AM |
R75 - If he was extradited, it would be for crimes committed in the US, not in the UK.
The reason why he hasn't been extradited is because Andrew hasn't been charged with anything in the US. You can only extradite someone if they are formally charged. And extraditions aren't guaranteed.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | September 12, 2021 2:36 AM |
R76 What I'm saying is that they won't extradite someone to face charges for a crime that isn't also a crime in the UK; the likely sentence also has to be comparable. So even if he was charged in the US and an extradition requested, it's highly unlikely it would happen as those conditions can't be met.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | September 12, 2021 3:23 AM |
There was a CDAN blind a few days ago that said someone who was obviously supposed to be Andrew was planning to visit Italy recently until he found out that if he set foot on Italian soil he would be immediately extradited to France, where he is also wanted on charges.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | September 12, 2021 3:29 AM |
I’m sick of him ! Get out!
by Anonymous | reply 79 | September 12, 2021 2:28 PM |
Haha Boris: your Prince is stuck on Royal properties until his child abusing ass faces the music.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | September 12, 2021 2:47 PM |
Bore off, Cletus. Don’t you have a schoolyard to shoot up or something?
by Anonymous | reply 81 | September 12, 2021 3:15 PM |
The woman Virginia Roberts Giuffre has credibility problems. She's lied in the past (no, I didn't have sex with Andrew) and now he's committed sexual assault??? WTF? Well. woman, what is it then? I've also heard that she helped Epstein "recruit" other young women herself. She's not the innocent victim that she claims to be. She said she asked to have her photo taken with Andrew so she could show her parents that she met a Prince. If Gloria "I'll Do Anything For Publicity" Allred dropped Virginia as a client, she must have seen red flags. I think she's after $$$ and Andrew wasn't responsive so she decided to sue.
We can all agree that Andrew is a boorish, arrogant, entitled ass but I don't if he did what she said he did. We shall see.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | September 12, 2021 3:20 PM |
[quote] As a mother, I'm sure she believes Andrew's (highly questionable) assertions that he's innocent. I also wouldn't be surprised if she feels this is part of a growing push (largely from America) to try and bring down the monarchy. So, I won't get angry for a mother trying to protect her son (despite that fact he's 60 and more than old enough to deal with his own shit). That being said, I think she needs to hand him over to Charles and Andrew to deal with in a more dispassionate manner.
Most people don’t believe their friends and loved ones are capable of committing crimes. Most people support and defend their loved ones. However, while the Queen of England gets a pass. People like Camille Cosby and Phylicia Rashad are demonized.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | September 12, 2021 3:57 PM |
Fuck Queen Elizabeth. Old piano legged cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | September 12, 2021 4:52 PM |
R78, just what exactly are these alleged charges you allege Andrew is wanted for in France? Why doesn't France ask for his extradition from the UK?
by Anonymous | reply 85 | September 12, 2021 5:04 PM |
To R82...You are the "SMARTEST PERSON" on Datalounge. I have been saying the same thing many comments ago. If Gloria, the "publicity Vampire" dropped Virginia "the lying stretched-out used-up" old slut. You know it' is a problem!!
by Anonymous | reply 86 | September 12, 2021 5:42 PM |
People talking about a son of the reigning Queen of the UK getting extradited are absolutely clueless.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | September 12, 2021 8:41 PM |
I found this post of Lady Colin Campbell photos on my Internet travels. She sure likes the jewels, doesn't she?
by Anonymous | reply 88 | September 13, 2021 12:36 PM |
R88 cubic zirconias you mean
by Anonymous | reply 89 | September 13, 2021 12:58 PM |
OP- Prince Andrew used to be cute. BOY was that a long time ago. His looks are COMPLETELY GONE.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | September 13, 2021 1:08 PM |
R88 all the jewelry in t world cannot hide the fact that she’s an ugly freak.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | September 13, 2021 3:13 PM |
This girl was a hustler. Bottom line ...a paid for whore who recruited other girls ....he did nothing legally wrong... its a bit sick sleeping with a seventeen year old ... if people who seem so outraged stood up and did something to stop sex trafficing ...it would be a different story... THIS IS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.....
by Anonymous | reply 92 | September 13, 2021 3:27 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 93 | September 13, 2021 3:53 PM |
Are you American r93? Constant stories and scenarios about absolutely everything relating to the royal family appear non-stop in the tabloids from the moment they're around 18 until they die.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | September 13, 2021 4:48 PM |
R87, whether Andrew is extradited or not is another matter. The question is why doesn't France request his extradition if he is wanted for alleged crimes in France - alleged crimes that are never detailed by those who allege them. The latest fantasist seemed to believe that Italy would be willing to extradite him.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | September 13, 2021 4:50 PM |
r57 you're a disgusting sycophant. You're only taking his side because he's rich and famous. Keep licking those boots.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | September 13, 2021 5:28 PM |
Boris the Nazi loves Prince Andrew.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | September 14, 2021 10:56 AM |
Prince Andrew, if he was a decent man would not have ever been near Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Guilty.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | September 14, 2021 10:58 AM |
Any honorable man would not have his arm around a young girl dressed like that; in that house, and with those people.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | September 14, 2021 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE]A lawyer for Prince Andrew, who was sued last month by a woman accusing him of sexually abusing her when she was a minor, said in a Manhattan court on Monday that the lawsuit was likely to be invalid under the terms of an earlier confidential settlement — one that the prince’s lawyers have said the woman reached with Jeffrey Epstein.
[QUOTE]The hearing, coming in the closely watched lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, one of Mr. Epstein’s most prominent accusers, was the first public response from Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, and suggests that his legal team will seek to beat back any attempt to allow the suit to proceed. Prince Andrew’s lawyer also argued on Monday that his client had not been properly served with legal papers in Britain.
[QUOTE]The lawyer, Andrew B. Brettler, said Ms. Giuffre’s lawsuit was “baseless, nonviable and potentially unlawful.”
[QUOTE]“We have significant concerns about the propriety of this lawsuit,” Mr. Brettler said at a hearing in Federal District Court in Manhattan.
[QUOTE]Other lawyers for Prince Andrew indicated last week in a letter to Ms. Giuffre’s lawyers that the prince would challenge the lawsuit on the grounds that Ms. Giuffre’s lawyers had not properly served him with the complaint, a routine step giving a defendant formal notice that he has been sued.
[QUOTE]“We are not instructed to appear in the claim brought by Ms. Giuffre in the Southern District of New York and we are not instructed to accept service of that claim on behalf of the Duke,” the lawyers, with the firm Blackfords, wrote.
[QUOTE]The lawyers also wrote that Ms. Giuffre’s claim against Prince Andrew may be invalid under terms of a 2009 settlement reached in a lawsuit against Mr. Epstein in Florida.
[QUOTE]Ms. Giuffre’s lawyer, David Boies, had attached a copy of the letter from the prince’s lawyers to a court filing on Friday. In it, Mr. Boies said the lawyers’ suggestion that the earlier settlement “somehow releases Prince Andrew from the claims” made by Ms. Giuffre was “erroneous,” noting that Prince Andrew had not been a party to the earlier case.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | September 15, 2021 1:01 PM |
Who knew “Randy Andy” was a child molestor? People used to think he was Gay and I’m so glad that he is not, although I have nothing but sympanthy for his victims.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | September 15, 2021 10:24 PM |
He’s accused of humping a woman of legal age. Not a child. Sleazy, but not a pedophile.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | September 15, 2021 10:33 PM |
[quote]the age of consent is still a hard law. Your opinion about the ages that people mentally mature doesn't matter. I'm also guessing you'd be opposed to republicans raising the voting age for the same reason.
R54. This is discussed in every new article on Andrew: he fucked a victim of sex trafficking, and it doesn't matter if she were 5 or 85. It is illegal to fuck victims of sex trafficking. This has nothing to do with age of consent.
Sex trafficking, sex trafficking, sex trafficking. Always illegal.
Got it now?
by Anonymous | reply 103 | September 15, 2021 10:57 PM |
Boris is retarded and doesn’t get it….
Sos over and over.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | September 16, 2021 2:01 AM |
R103, sex trafficking is illegal but that still doesn't make it paedophilia.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | September 16, 2021 7:39 AM |
Check the Klan whores gatekeeping the thread and downvoting it, trying to protect their precious sex offender.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | September 18, 2021 12:30 AM |
Klan Grannies - Leave Andrew alone! He's not a criminal.
Also Klan Grannies - Meghan MERCHED ARCHIE'S LUNCH BOX!! Bring back the guillotine.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | September 18, 2021 12:32 AM |
IS BORIS A KLAN GRANNY?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | September 18, 2021 12:40 AM |
We've all known elderly parents who will lose all objectivity when it comes to their favorite child. It is more proof, the royals are just like the rest of us.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | September 18, 2021 1:18 AM |
Boris is Jeffrey H from Forrest Hills Queens, a fat loser with acne scars.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | September 18, 2021 3:19 AM |
R105. I don’t recall calling Andrew a pedophile. But it does appear he was besties with a known sex trafficker and may have fucked a victim of sex trafficking.
R103
by Anonymous | reply 111 | September 18, 2021 2:50 PM |
You might not have r111 but a popular line against Andrew is that he's a paedophile. It also remains to be seen what evidence will be presented to support the allegations of sex trafficking.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | September 18, 2021 8:36 PM |
I don't think HM should have had him at Balmoral. It doesn't look good.
I know he's her son, but surely even she thinks he's a massive bell end.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | September 18, 2021 8:46 PM |
"...but a popular line against Andrew is that he's a paedophile"
That's a popular line for anyone who's famous because of internet conspiracy idiots.
Andrew's a jerk & has questionable personal relationships, but do I think he's a pedo? No. There's just no proof of that. Its unfortunate what happened to Giuffre, but even if he did have sex with her at 17 that does not make Andrew a pedo.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | September 26, 2021 10:02 PM |
[quote] A 17-year-old who was sex trafficked
Oh that’s not good.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | September 26, 2021 10:34 PM |
[quote] a growing push (largely from America) to try and bring down the monarchy.
Classic British paranoia and xenophobia. No one in America gives a fuck about “bringing down the monarchy.” Why would we? The vast majority couldn’t care less, then there’s a sizable minority who find it romantic. End of.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | September 26, 2021 10:37 PM |
Americans are interested in celebrity PERIOD. We don’t support monarchies and we certainly don’t have the power to end them either. They seem to be doing a good job of it themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | September 26, 2021 11:31 PM |
[quote] Queen Elizabeth is Shielding Prince Andrew From Prosecution Over Sex Crimes
Not that unsimilar to Brian Launrie's parents.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | September 26, 2021 11:39 PM |
Andy has already pleaded guilty and been sentenced to house arrest for life. The Queen has agreed to internal banishment. Put him on a sex registry and call it a draw.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | September 26, 2021 11:42 PM |
Now Fergie will never get her ass back in the fold.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | September 26, 2021 11:45 PM |
[quote] He’s accused of humping a woman of legal age. Not a child. Sleazy, but not a pedophile.
Do you think he did anal?
by Anonymous | reply 121 | September 27, 2021 3:55 AM |
R120 - maybe a remarriage to Fergie with wholesome pictures as grandparents is what the eternally broody Queen will order.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | September 27, 2021 1:09 PM |
A grifter and a pedophile…perfect couple.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | September 27, 2021 3:27 PM |
To R122...I believe that the Re-marriage is gonna happen. The Queen adores Sarah,and it will be a good distraction for the press and HRH Princess Half-Breed. All the press coverage towards Andrew& Sarah will drive Meghan Crazy!! I still believe Tampon Charles will DIE.. Will& Kate(HRH Prince and Princess of Wales).Meghan, over the edge screaming( How Da Fuck did I Fuck this up sooo Badly).
by Anonymous | reply 124 | September 27, 2021 5:11 PM |
It will show the randy lad is FINALLY ready to settle down.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | September 27, 2021 6:13 PM |
The Queen has awarded Andrew (and Harry & Meghan too) with a Platinum Jubilee Medal.....who the fuck is advising her?
by Anonymous | reply 126 | September 27, 2021 6:33 PM |
Flog him in the Tower of London!
by Anonymous | reply 127 | September 27, 2021 6:47 PM |
[quote]Who cares, at worst he had sex with a 17 year old
He didn't "have sex" with her. She was trafficked and coerced into it. There's a huge difference.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | September 27, 2021 6:49 PM |
[quote]a growing push (largely from America) to try and bring down the monarchy
This is hilarious.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | September 27, 2021 6:50 PM |
[QUOTE] The Queen has awarded Andrew (and Harry & Meghan too) with a Platinum Jubilee Medal.....who the fuck is advising her?
I thought R126 was fucking around but it’s true.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | September 27, 2021 6:54 PM |
[quote] and HRH Princess Half-Breed
Please die soon. A mutant strain of COVID-19 would be nice.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | September 27, 2021 6:59 PM |
The Queen is awarding about 500,000 Platinum Jubilee Medals. I think she's giving one to all of her relatives. It would be more of an issue if she deliberately left Andrew, Harry and Meghan out. It's really no big deal.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | September 27, 2021 7:38 PM |
[quote] He didn't "have sex" with her. She was trafficked and coerced into it. There's a huge difference.
She alleges that she was trafficked and coerced.
I am pretty sure that if you are ever accused of anything criminal you’d expect a case to be properly proved against you before conviction. Have the decency to extend that courtesy to others.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | September 27, 2021 7:57 PM |
He's a known sex pig.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | September 27, 2021 8:07 PM |
He did nothing ILLEGAL he slept with a grifting whore !
by Anonymous | reply 135 | September 27, 2021 8:10 PM |
R121, are you offended by anal sex?
I don’t care what type of sex he had. She was legal, but 40 plus year olds having sex with high school aged teens is gross. So legal but sleazy.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | September 28, 2021 6:30 AM |
Can anyone explain why out of all the creepy perverted men Epstein apparently supplied his services to, Prince Andrew (three alleged incidents within a short space of time) is the only one we are meant to care about? What about all the others? What was going on on Epstein's island?
by Anonymous | reply 137 | September 28, 2021 7:36 AM |
Have the Klan whores suppressed all the threads about the Queen paying out millions to defend her rapist son?
by Anonymous | reply 138 | October 2, 2021 5:46 PM |
so how will the sector of DLers who bizarrely worship and obsess over these inbred corrupt assholes react? Lizzy is protecting her predator son
by Anonymous | reply 139 | October 2, 2021 5:48 PM |
There's nothing to react to, r139. He's a jerk and she's his mother. He's allowed a defence and, actually, we don't know what's really going on.
The real question is why is Andrew the only focus of the Epstein outrage? Surely there were other Epstein clients?
by Anonymous | reply 140 | October 2, 2021 6:34 PM |
R140, it’s possible that some of the other Epstein “friends” have paid to avoid being sued.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | October 2, 2021 10:38 PM |
Good point, r141. But why doesn't the media care? What happened to Epstein's little black book? It's almost as though aside from Andrew and occasional updates about Ghislaine, this story is dead.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | October 2, 2021 10:57 PM |
It seems like Americans care more about QEll than her British subjects do.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | October 3, 2021 3:18 AM |
"What happened to Epstein's little black book?"
FFS. I'm tired of people acting like that address book is some fucking scandalous mystery. The address book has been on the internet for about 7 years. Its never been a secret. Tons of people in the New York/Palm Beach/London jet set were listed.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | October 28, 2021 3:02 AM |
[quote]It's almost as though aside from Andrew and occasional updates about Ghislaine, this story is dead.
The story is dormant, not dead. Both cases (Andrew's civil case & Ghislaine's criminal case) are still in discovery. There's nothing to report. Ghislaine will be tried sometime next year. Andrew's case will be tried probably in late 2022/early 2023.
Fun fact: The judge in Andrew's civil case, Lewis Kaplan, is also the judge in the Kevin Spacey civil case.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | October 28, 2021 3:05 AM |
Prince Andy knows he laid up with all them little girls. He need to spend some time in Rikers with Ghirlevil. They just as nasty as Jeffrey. So it Trump & Clinton.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | October 28, 2021 3:07 AM |
I thought Ghislaine's trial starts in Nov.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | October 28, 2021 3:38 AM |
R144, the point wasn't the little black book per se but all the supposed other individuals for whom Epstein allegedly trafficked young women, sometimes underage. The low-hanging fruit of Andrew, whose particular offences seem more to be in the realm of stupidity rather than rape, is an easy distraction from the real, truly disgusting crimes that happened. What is happening in the investigation on that front? Who are all these other men and when will justice come for them?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | October 28, 2021 8:04 AM |
He won’t be randy andy up in the jail cell.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | October 28, 2021 10:38 AM |
If Andrew believes that he hasn't done anything wrong he should co-operate. If he knows he did do something wrong he should take his medicine so to speak.
As for the Queen, well I get mothers (and fathers, etc) standing by their kin but the law should be allowed to take its course. The abuse of a minor is a very serious allegation, that goes without saying.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | October 28, 2021 10:44 AM |
R148, Epstein's estate, which is estimated to be about $599 million, will be sued by his victims. Andrew was a trivial part of this story; many much more powerful men were implicated, so much of the truth may not come out for many years.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | October 28, 2021 10:49 AM |
[quote]The low-hanging fruit of Andrew
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | October 28, 2021 10:55 AM |
What would Andrew be charged with?
by Anonymous | reply 153 | October 28, 2021 11:25 AM |
^ Stupidity for starters
by Anonymous | reply 154 | October 28, 2021 12:29 PM |
I get that and agree (he disgusts me, and I've even met him - he was short and unattractive) but genuinely? I mean, for one thing the age of consent is 16 in the UK. So I'm just wondering what he'd be charged with. Is it that he'd be charged with US laws and would have to be extradited?
by Anonymous | reply 155 | October 28, 2021 1:07 PM |
R155, theoretically he could be charged with violating US laws concerning sex trafficking. However, I do not think any country can be compelled to extradite one of its own citizens. Extradition laws are used for countries to get back their own citizens who have tried to flee justice.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | October 28, 2021 1:26 PM |
R155 I don't know what the various country laws are but in some countries despite whatever their own age of consent laws are it is illegal to have sex with somebody that is considered a minor in another country. Australia is an example of this.
An Australian adult over 18 can legally have sex with a 16 year old in Australia. But if they have sex with a 16 year old overseas in a country where it is illegal they can be charged in Australia.
So it really is down to what ever laws each country has for its citizens. On the other hand Andrew could be found guilty in the US and have to move to a country that won't extradite him to the US depending on where the UK stands on the matter.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | October 28, 2021 1:30 PM |
R139 I don't get it. Why him? He's not even attractive!
by Anonymous | reply 158 | October 28, 2021 2:10 PM |
Will King Charles protect his brother when the Queen is gone.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | October 28, 2021 2:57 PM |
The woman Virginia Giuffre who said she had sex with Andrew said he hadn't raped her, she was 17 when it happened (age of consent in the UK is 16) and admitted she'd been turning tricks before she even met Epstein, so this is just a money grab.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | October 28, 2021 3:14 PM |
^ You all keep forgetting that he broke US law, it doesn't matter what UK law is
by Anonymous | reply 161 | October 28, 2021 5:08 PM |
Except r157, Giuffre was not under the age of consent in any of the three jurisdictions where she alleges she had sex with him.
She was 17 in London and New York and at least 18 in the US Virgin Islands.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | October 28, 2021 5:10 PM |
^ She was a trafficked minor, illegal in the US
by Anonymous | reply 163 | October 28, 2021 5:12 PM |
Where in the US was she a trafficked minor for Andrew, r163? Allegations of trafficking aren't even part of her claims against him.
You all keep forgetting to read Guiffre's own affidavit, where she makes it clear that she was above the age of consent in every jurisdiction she alleges she had sex with Andrew in and says absolutely nothing about being trafficked for him.
I've just been reading her affidavit. Far from being traumatised at the idea of being with Andrew, she was showing off about it to her family.
[quote]I wanted a picture with the prince because I was keeping in contact with my family. I had told my mom and my grandma that I was meeting Prince Andrew and that I’d take a picture for them. They told me to “be careful.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | October 28, 2021 5:18 PM |
Andrew has not been criminally charged in NY, and it seems unlikely that he ever will be. Charles will probably keep him locked up on royal property, unseen by the public, just as he is now.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | October 28, 2021 6:19 PM |
@r164, Then what is she suing for if Andrew did nothing illegal?
by Anonymous | reply 166 | October 28, 2021 6:35 PM |
If they try to charge Andrew with having sex with a 17 year old hooker, they'll have to arrest several million American johns too.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | October 28, 2021 9:14 PM |
R166, it’s a civil suit for damages. The burden of proof is much lower than in a criminal case. And I’m not saying he did nothing illegal, it just seems as if it’s unlikely that any charges will be pursued in the US.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | October 28, 2021 10:03 PM |
Is he not allowed to leave his estate?
by Anonymous | reply 169 | October 29, 2021 12:33 AM |
I think Andrew is immoral, very stupid and a complete liability, but I can’t see what laws he has broken?
by Anonymous | reply 170 | October 29, 2021 12:40 AM |
R170, she alleges that he sexually assaulted her.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | October 29, 2021 12:54 AM |
R171 Of course she does. Otherwise she doesn't have a case. She's a grifter. He's a creep. They were made for each other.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | October 29, 2021 12:56 AM |
This is going to be Big Liz’s legacy. It’s embarrassing.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | October 29, 2021 1:27 AM |
R168, from reading her affidavit, where she makes no specific allegations of a criminal nature against Andrew, the only thing I can think of is that Giuffre wants money from him.
In her affidavit, she says Andrew has a sexual liking for feet, so I'm wondering just how he would have sexually assaulted her, which some people are implying. It's quite clear, even from what she says, that Andrew was just a very stupid oaf who himself was being exploited by Epstein.
[quote] After the picture, Epstein and Maxwell kissed me and said to “have fun.” They left Andy and me alone upstairs. We went to the bathroom and bedroom, which were just steps away from where the picture was taken. We engaged in sexual activities there. Afterwards, Andy left quickly with his security.
[quote]I chatted with Epstein about this the next day. I told him, “it went great.” Epstein said something to the effect of, “You did well. The Prince had fun.” I felt like I was being graded. It was horrible to have to recount all these events and have to try to meet all these needs and wants. I told Epstein about Andy’s sexual interests in feet. Epstein thought it was very funny. Epstein appeared to be collecting private information about Andy.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | October 29, 2021 7:22 AM |
is she saying that he knew that she was trafficked? The actual encounter (assuming he did not know that) would have come across as consensual otherwise, or that she was just some paid escort that Epstein and Maxwell were gifting him.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | October 29, 2021 7:40 AM |
Behead him!
by Anonymous | reply 176 | October 29, 2021 8:54 AM |
Giuffre never accuses Andrew of being involved in her trafficking or of asking Epstein to send her anywhere for him. Read the affidavit and what she says about Andrew. He did nothing beyond being stupid and allowing Epstein and Gizzle Maxwell to exploit him. Guiffre even says Epstein and Maxwell laughed about him behind her back and that Epstein was trying to get her to feed him information about Andrew.
The account she gives of meeting him in London suggests that not only did she consent to sex with Andrew but she even texted or called her mother and grandmother on the evening she was introduced to him to tell them the exciting news that she had met a prince and she even had the infamous photograph taken with him to show them. She must have had a certain level of agency to ask for a photograph to be taken and Andrew must have been incredibly dumb to agree to have that photo taken. Or he in fact did not have sex with her and had simply been introduced to her as a friend of Epstein and/or Maxwell and so agreed, as a friendly gesture, to have his photograph taken with her so she could show her mum and gran.
Giuffre undermines her own more serious accusations about all the other men Epstein introduced her to with this obsessive focus on Andrew, who even from her own words is only guilty of being a stupid person who is easily exploited. It makes it seem that all she cares about is getting money from him.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | October 29, 2021 11:30 AM |
Whoops! Correction: "Guiffre even says Epstein and Maxwell laughed about him behind HIS back and that Epstein was trying to get her to feed him information about Andrew."
by Anonymous | reply 178 | October 29, 2021 12:27 PM |
He’s been so banished from public life without it seems having broken any laws…is there more (about other underage girls) that the palace is aware of and is praying never sees the light of day?
by Anonymous | reply 179 | October 29, 2021 12:33 PM |
R179, Andrew has been involved in other shady things. He's been connected to cash-for-access scandals and has had relationships with other corrupt people. Those things alone might have gotten him pushed out of public life.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | October 29, 2021 1:44 PM |
Yes, Andrew is shady, an oaf, not particularly intelligent, associates with corrupt and dodgy people who exploit him and laugh at him behind his back. That's why he's an easy target for Giuffre.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | October 29, 2021 2:40 PM |
[quote]R171 she alleges that he sexually assaulted her.
The queen is saying this about Andrew? Why doesn’t she ask for help?
by Anonymous | reply 182 | October 29, 2021 2:42 PM |
R181 Oh, I think that makes sense. Unlike sex crimes, financial impropriety leaves a paper trail and can be used as a powerful weapon to ensure the royal family understands he’s done. Easier to keep quiet too.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | October 29, 2021 9:17 PM |
The DM is saying that he has until TODAY to answer her affidavit or there will be a summary judgment against him. Can't wait to hear the news tomorrow either way!
by Anonymous | reply 184 | October 29, 2021 10:54 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 185 | October 30, 2021 12:22 AM |
He wasn't even served properly. The subpoena. was left with a security guard. Shitshow.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | October 30, 2021 12:29 AM |
R186 I don't understand how that's a valid argument when Andrew was deliberately making sure he could not directly be served it, and he has a bunch of security to stop people getting access. They also emailed it to him and got an auto-reply confirming receipt. They posted it to him. Why should powerful people get to avoid it?
by Anonymous | reply 188 | October 30, 2021 5:02 AM |
Get to avoid what, r188? Trumped-up allegations in a compliant that is only valid in a completely different jurisdiction, solely designed for the purpose of getting a large, out-of-court settlement?
by Anonymous | reply 189 | October 30, 2021 7:09 AM |
R188, under US law, you do not have to personally serve someone if they are trying to evade service; you can serve the complaint on, say, a staff member, or by whatever means the court approves.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | October 30, 2021 7:19 AM |
R190 Yes, and eventually the judge accepted that the papers could be served to Andrew's lawyers in the US. I just don't think it's a valid argument to avoid getting the papers, that's all.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | October 30, 2021 7:32 AM |
Why would he want to associate himself with an Epstein settlement if he is not guilty?
by Anonymous | reply 192 | October 31, 2021 9:08 PM |
TRUMP RAPED A 13YO GIRL WITH EPSTEIN!!!
by Anonymous | reply 193 | October 31, 2021 9:15 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 194 | February 15, 2022 3:33 PM |
R194 It was clear that this was going to be settled out of court the moment Virginia's lawyers said that she would accept a settlement (after months of saying she wanted her day in court and would not accept a settlement under any circumstances) and they were vague about Andrew having to admit guilt as part of any deal.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | February 15, 2022 3:36 PM |
I bet the queen procures for him, to this day.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | April 5, 2022 2:33 PM |